Gold from an old Spanish Mine in Utah (Uinta Mountains) - Basalt Rock
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- This video documents the existence of an old Spanish Mine located in the Uinta Mountains of Utah.
This video shows deposits of Gold and Native Copper in Basalt type rock and explains the Geology of Basalt Rock and how it is formed.
This video explains the importance of Copper during the Industrial Revolution.
This video explains ancient smelting practices used to melt and refine metals.
Here is a good video to learn more about ancient smelting practices; • The ancient way of cop...
Please dont tell anyone where it is, especially big brother. Just knowing that these unmapped, and undocumented places are out there is part of what makes rockhounding and treasure seeking so exciting and worth doing. Thanks for the tale :)
The main reason he shouldn't show us is because some idiot will try to cut down all the trees with Spanish markings on them again if it's public knowledge
Oh wow, that looks so delicious. The outcropping, the striations and the colors. That's definitely a nice deposit.😁👍⛏️⚒️
I have a family member that lost his life a few years ago, searching for Spanish gold in the Uintas. They had to search for almost a week to find him. RIP Joe Weyerman.
I'm sorry to hear about your loss. Did this take place near Chepeta?
@LowBudgetExploration yes, that is where he was found.
One of my friends helped recover his body. Again, sorry for your loss. If you ever want to share the circumstances involved, just send me an email. I heard he was a really good guy.
Another great video, thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thanks Terry.
Thank you for protecting the location of landmark artifacts so they are left for the future to observe.
I appreciate actual seeing you narrate but i would really like to see the beautiful scenery you're showing in full screen. Beautiful!
Been there many times!! Thanks for sharing
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Thanks! Educational and entertaining... You allow us to touch the past... such a treat...
To understand the how and why of magma flows read "The Ore Magmas" by Josiah Edward Spurr. It's a two-volume set that details (in intricate detail) of his observations of over 1000 working mines over a two decade time span. He is known as the father of magmatic differentiation/segregation. I guarantee it will answer many of your questions concerning how minerals form, especially gold. It is required reading.
P.S. I greatly admire your work. Please keep it coming....
I appreciate the recommendation. Thanks you.
Another awesome video brother! Best channel on the tube! I'd love to see an old Spanish mine someday, it's so cool
1) Great video. Looks like fun. Finding stuff not in the USGS database is exciting.
2) Some sulfides do conduct quite nicely. For example, the copper petrified wood from the Nacimiento. Chalcocite and Djuerlieite.
3) Your little walnut of gold and silver looks "roasted". May have been sulfide ore they burned enough to semi-smelt it.
4) Your old time buddy found one of the mines. *One* of the mines. Maybe there was more than one. Some may just look like an open face. Firesetting as a method was used a lot.
5) Great video. Thanks!
Thanks Adams. There is evidence of burning, especially on one side. I figured it was from Firesetting as you pointed out, or perhaps at night the old miners roasted the ore in the coals of their fire before chucking them into the ore pile, or perhaps a very old forest fire swept through the area.
With a high sulfide type copper - gold mine, there should be extensive iron alteration near the portal to use as a guide. Thanks for this video!
Wow, I have never seen the real thing in its natural form. Thank you very much. Best Regards.
It’s exciting to took for things from the past, thank you for taking us along
Yes it is, Nature is the true treasure, so you never go home empty handed.
I've got friends that live in Vernal & are constantly suggesting that my wife & I move up there from SoCal. Being a rockhound, I would enjoy wandering the backcountry. My grandpa, who got me into rocks, used to prospect his own minerals down in Arizona when I was a kid.
Vernal is a great town and place to live.
Utah and especially the south flanks of the Uintas are a great place for rockhounding! Most of the west is in fact.
Good stuff buddy love the content and how you explain with common sense thanks
Very Good Chris, as always Good Info, Research and the 3 P's, Patience, Persistence and Perseverance. Much of what I have found was always in plain sight yet was hidden because people did not know or understood history and was ignorant of Geology. Darrell Lane
Another good video. Great explanation on the copper, I guess I didn’t realize how valuable it was to them back then. I know where a few old copper mines are and always wondered why they were chasing it.
Thanks Clay. Hope you're doing good and enjoying summer.
If they're not claimed already go check them out.may still have a viable mine today.especially copper.
I live in Utah, im going to check this mines one of this days, thanks for sharing
I've got friends that live in Vernal and are constantly suggesting that my wife & I move up there from SoCal. I am a rockhound, so wandering the back country would definitely be fun.
I have seen some mine shafts in the side of a mountain that looks like basalt and pumice near Mount Ord, Arizona. I have seen some gold ore similar to that but didn't find as much visible gold spots on the rock at Kingman, Arizona. Good find!
I've found a few golden buttons metal detecting near red cloud loop. Just completely random spots is where I've checked but up to 3 grams in a hour of detecting on my property
That is very cool. Red Cloud Loop is beautiful and to find gold is icing on the cake. You might be onto something big.
That sir is a fantastic find
Really great video. Lots of interesting info. Keep em coming.
Very interesting! I’m interested in how, when and what the Spanish did in UT. I’d love to see what they left behind
Thanks for sharing
In 2015, I viewed a GIS map of Utah of all known Spanish mining locations. The map including all data collected from each site, along with over a thousand pictures. Inclusive of four large smelters, along with two locations where the Spanish had tied together and marched down into mines about 240 natives, mostly Indians, then blowing the shaft closed on top of them. In every story of found Spanish processed gold, usually the finders find themselves dead soon thereafter.
The legends of the lost Rhodes mine, flaming gorge gold, Utah basin Spanish trails, Ute gold, odd that nothing collectively found when tested came from Utah??
The caches known to have been located and tested by metallurgy experts showed bullion, a blend of gold and other minerals mainly copper, and not from any known source in Utah.
I’m curious about the Spanish, with as many Spanish sites claimed, why no settlements? No pueblos, no Spanish churches. After following up on 19 Spanish artifact finds, all but one were proven false. The question posed is, mines take years to develope, then processing, then transport, and yet no solid evidence has ever been presented to support any Spanish settlement?
I’m confused because you start by saying you saw the map with Spanish mines but then you seem to question if Utah had Spanish mining Gold. I’m sure I’m missing something but wanted to ask.
@@legacyXplore the mines yes, very distinct v shape entrance, seems cave in were more feared than Indians, what my question is is where did they settle? Do you know of Spanish settlements in Utah???
Great video! 👍 Love your channel and content.
Great episode man!!!
Cool test, never knew that one
It's a great way to do a Non-Destructive test. I treat the piece of Ore like an artifact and would never do anything to destroy it. I did a video on Fools Gold vs Real Gold where I go into more detail on the continuity testing of metal.
Greetings from the BIG SKY of Montana. There's a lot of unfound minerals all over the land still, I bet.
I tend to agree and people like Ask Jeff Williams lay proof to that claim for sure. Especially in your neck of the woods, beautiful country up there.
@@LowBudgetExploration Greetings from the BIG SKY of Montana. I've probably stepped on fortunes chasing elk.
Heck yea thats awesome very nice ore thanks for sharing heavy pans brother
I enjoyed the video!
Very interesting .. Great Video :)
You should invest and some night vision monocular. Or binoculars or thermal monocular. More binoculars, it's not difficult to find the cave with thermal, no matter what the terrain
The Forest Service doesn't care if they can't drive there. I told them about an Important Paleoindian Site in the Uinta's in 2015, mapped it out for them, illustrated the artifacts and gave them a copy. Nine years later they had still not bothered to get photo's, said they didn't have the time. Nine years! There is a rhyolite dike in the Eastern Uinta that was purposefully left off of the maps, a clear violation of environmental review and the 1972 mining law, in favor of making the area a Wilderness. Not to mention that it was originally Ute Reservation before being confiscated as Forest Land.
So what are they protecting the land for
@@missingremote4388 The Land is nicely protected as Wilderness I agree, but the Forest Service is absolutely delinquent in documenting the Archaeology, for the modern population of interested Utah, for the Ute Tribe and for the Forest Service own records, including the Smelters and items mentioned in the video.
Gold in Basalt rock is rare, due to basalts fine grain. Gold is usually found in adjacent rock such as quartz. That said some highly fractured basalt does contain intrusive metal minerialization. My bet is there is a nearby quartz vein (consistant with Rhoades own reporting ) that is the main source of the gold.
I agree and have a theory on how the Gold was deposited Geologically and almost mentioned it in the video but didn't at the last minute. The rock formation involved would have "potentially" given away the location (or greatly narrowed it down) to anyone savvy enough to pull up some USGS maps.
I'm very confident I have found the mine on Google Earth, just haven't had the opportunity to hike in and take a look.
Thanks
It surprises me there was such a large Spanish presence in lUtahl, when it was the area that probably had the least amount of gold in the SW compared to Co. Cal, AZ, NM...
Ryan, I too have pondered this same question many times regarding the Uinta's. There are many treasure stories surrounding the Uinta's. As entertaining as these stories may be, most are probably total nonsense.
My biggest concern has always been where are the Placer Deposits? Sure, people will find flour Gold here and there in the Rivers and Streams, but not much else. Over millions of years, Lode Gold would have surely weathered away and made its way into the watersheds (same as every other place on planet Earth where gold has been found).
I am of the opinion only very small groups of Spaniards entered into the Uinta Mountains. They were just normal people like you and me, who loved their families and were trying to do best by them and improve their lot in life.
I believe they found a few isolated deposits of Gold/Silver, located in very rich, but shallow veins. The only exception is The Lost Rhoades Mine. I do believe this is a very rich mine located in a Dike that runs across the High Uinta's. I can't prove that, but I too have my dreams.
In all my travels across the Uinta's I have found very little Gold (I am not a prospector, only an adventurer who loves History and Geology). Here is a list of the Gold findings;
1. The Rock in this video (I didn't find it, but know where it came from).
2. I have a beautiful piece of Brecciated Quartz at my house my dad found. It's full of Galena, Chalcopyrite, Pyrite and has some small pieces of Gold. I would love to find the source, but he doesn't remember the exact area where he picked it up.
3. I found a piece of Diorite (from the Dike mentioned above) that had Chalcopyrite and visible Gold. I found it in the middle of a trail. Somebody must be working a clandestine mine in the area (Wilderness Area) and it must have fallen out of their pack.
4. There is another area that contains Quartzite Rock with lots of Iron. Some of the rock has small pockets (about the size of a nickel) of this hard clay like material. Mixed in with the clay is concentrated Flour Gold. Very odd and I have never seen anything like it. The Clay like material is a pinkish color and looks beautiful in contrast with the dark Iron staining of the Rock.
I do these videos to "keep the dream alive", but also to incentivize and motivate people to explore our beautiful mountains and deserts. I believe as people fall in love with these wild places, they will be more inclined to protect them and keep these lands open for the public interest (prevent Government Closures and Privatization).
I can tell you from personal experience, these places are becoming ever increasingly lonely. I rarely see other people (outside of hunting seasons) and although nice in many ways, I believe this will have long term negative consequences. You only protect what you love and people need to fall in love again. Our Grandparents generation did and they were better off for it.
Sorry about the long response.
My dad had to big rocks like the one at the start of the video he found while bow hunting in the Uintah mountain
Great video mate
Many thanks.
Basalt caries iron....gold wears an iron hat....good rule of thumb when looking for gold....gold is below the Basalt
Have you ever watched any videos of geologist Myron Cook, I watch him and find him very interesting, he goes to locations and specifically explains how rock formations, mountains and how changes in the land have taken place, he seems to be very intelligent you might give him a try, he is on youtube
I love Myron Cook. He's the type of guy I'd love to kick back with, drink some cold ones and shoot the breeze. Very cool guy.
Hey man, I love the videos. I've been sharing them with family. I found some interesting stuff recently. I would like to get ahold of you to share and pick your brain.
Very cool Simon and many thanks. My email is in the info part of the channel. I cant post here, or the algo will delete. If you have a hard time finding it, let me know and I'll post it in the discription down below.
Mr. Basinite, how did the Spanish know gold was here in Utah? Your vids are super interesting and Thanks!
They prospected around, same as the Americans, French, Germans and etc, who came afterword's. They were not superior prospectors by any means, in fact I personally believe the Americans were way better at finding gold. They had the benefit of being first and access to all the easy stuff and this is why they were so successful.
Another method was bribery of the local Indians. They would trade beads, arrowheads and other trinkets to the Indians for information on where the mineral outcroppings could be found. They came to the Uinta Mountains after the Escalante and Dominguez Expedition. They were gone prior to the arrival of the Fur Traders. I've found no historical evidence to suggest otherwise.
When it was discovered would that piece of ore have been an outcropping before a mine? Thanks for the videos, great way to protect and pass knowledge.
Yes it would have. Back then they were able to get to all the easy stuff, since they were the first.
I wonder how the Spanish would go that far inland?
It was actually a fairly easy journey for them. From the old Spanish Trail they followed the Indian Trails north, went up the canyons over Tavaputs Plateau, then followed different drainages into the Uinta Basin. Basically the same journey the Mountain Men made at first when entering into the Basin.
I've explored much of these areas in my Jeep or on foot hiking. Beautiful country and easy terrain to travel (for the most part). This theory is of course just my opinion, but I have found evidence to substantiate it.
if only we had gold in the basalt here in oregon lol
LOL.
I have not seen or heard of using an ohm meter, and as such it is not dependable. Besides, everybody crushes a sample then adds hydrogen peroxide, which acts like a catalyst on sulfides causing excessive fizzing. It is a good way to tell if the fine gold is free milling gold (carbonious) or telerum gold (sulfide) in which the gold chemically bonds with gold atoms and is known as sulfide telerum gold, which had the bromide process invented in the 1880's for separating the gold from the telerum. Hydrogen peroxide can free some gold that is mechanically, not chemically, bonded to copper minerals on the surface of copper/gold deposits.
Ask Jeff Williams..
LOL. There has been so many times I wished I could pull that guy out of my pocket and have him explain something to me. He actually commented on one of my videos one time. It was the video titled, " Old Spanish Miners in the Uinta Mountains, Geology of Limestone. I couldn't believe it. Luckily he said good stuff.
Stopped viewing @1:03
Zoomed in on that ore, just a fantastic specimen! Mosaic for sure.
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Rock Creek........................
Geologists are who told the military that the uintas were barren rocks no minerals in 1850s.
I know where you're at
Do you have partners to explore with you? Where are you located? Maybe we can team up....
I mainly just explore around solo. I enjoy the solitude. Thanks for the offer though.
Have you tried a drone?
I never have, but something like that would probably be useful.
@@LowBudgetExploration You can definitely see trails you can't see at ground level, even old ones.
Uintahs are not to be taken lightly.
Teanaway Basalt Feeder Dykes gas pockets, an aphanitic or apheric basaltic anticipation ... ? potato gold nuggets
Also, as a general rule, don't consult geologists for an explanation, because the field of geolgy is very much interpretive. Worse, most geologists adhere to the "generally accepted" secular theories, which are just explanations, which may or may not valid. I encourage everyone to study all that has been published about precious ores(if you can find the time), but don't be a slave to ANY theory. Gather as much info as you can, and do your own thinking based upon your own unique observations. Truth is this: nobody really knows exactly what is happening underground. All theories are extrapolations of visual artifacts. In the end, it's your due diligence and testing that will make or break you as a prospector. Just my two cents....
Nonsense. Consulting a mineral exploration geologist is an excellent first step. Just take what they say with a large grain of salt, particularly if the deposit is complex. The simpler deposit types are very well studied and understood.
Ask Jeff Williams is a fantastic mining channel and he is a geologist.
My unique observation, Black Sand Gold. .....utube
There is a new science book based on fact rather Geology theory. It's called the Universal Model by Dean Sessions.
@@petertadlock9336 I'm one of those geologists that doesn't follow mainstream science, I think you'll find my video "Black sand gold. Where does it come from " quite intresting
Good stuff do you dm? I’d like to help create that monument for the old settlement
Outside of this channel I am very private. You can email me. Thanks.
I'll add. The biggest lie about treasure is not the lost Dutchman. And like you said. You can camp by the mine and not even know it's there
this guy got copd
never too late to start loosing weight and get those lungs healed through diet and exercise and breathing in a salt cave
It’s painful watching your explanation…the black rock you think is basalt is a sulfide of copper called chalcocite, the green is malachite (copper carbonates) the gold color is chalcopyrite…very common copper ore complexes. You don’t use continuity as a test for gold, you send it out and have it fire assayed, you can do it yourself for less than $1000.
The moon can be a million lumens and more. You cannot land on it. That is not basalt. It's a light..
FJB
Stay off native land!
First, it's spelled Uintah, with an h.
Second, the Spaniards didn't mine any gold at all, they stole it! From the natives.
And I know they certainly didn't mine in Utah because I've read "The Conquest of New Spain" by Bernal Diaz - who was there and kept their records.
LAKE BONNEVILLE WAS STILL AROUND WHEN CORTEZ AND HIS MEN WENT THROUGH THAT AREA.
They did not stay. They added it to the map and left NW into the Oregon area. In fact, they didn't realize that if they just kept heading south they'd run into California where they had been on their first trip.
There were no Egyptians in the Grand Canyon! The Dineh were there!
Stop making shit up!
You do know how ridiculous it is to get upset with someone because they just can’t be right because you just know for a fact you’re right. It’s pathetic enough to think like that but to actually make a rude off putting comment to someone that clearly is extremely knowledgeable and more importantly has an incredible passion for the history speaks volumes about you. I bet you’re real fun to be around lol.
@@legacyXplore no, they clearly DO NOT have a grasp of the history of the region, and Mormons are notorious for recreating history to fill in the blanks and make it fit their scenario.
IDO have the TRUE history for the region, and the continents of both North and South America, and especially Utah, and this guy is making shit up. I have read selections that existed before Utah was a state.
But I guess it's too be expected by a group of people with a fake religion that wrote the protocols and framed the news for it.
Inside knowledgee, written by the people themselves, in stark contrast to ACTUAL history.
The Spaniards didn't mine anywhere in the US. Ever. The gold that was recovered off of the coast of Florida was minted by the Spaniards after melting down authentic Aztec goldsmithing into bars and coins. Totally destroying articles made by the Azteca using a precise technique that no one else has which allows moving pieces with no seams or joins. There are only two practitioners of this method today living in Mexico, handed down each generation in their family.
In North America, except the Florida region, the Spaniards did not stay long, as they were searching for El Dorado. Colorado itself had many place names gifted by Hispanic mapmakers in Cortez's crew. These men never stayed anywhere in Colorado longer than passing through. Fact. And on one of these maps is Lake Bonneville, but the Spaniards have it a different name.
YOU are the one who sounds ridiculous, as I can tell you haven't bothered doing any research on what I've said.
It's spelled uinta mountains with out an h. I think your confusing it with uintah county which part of the Unitas are located in.😅
@@chadeskelson6162 No it isn't. I went to Uintah Elementary in Salt Lake City in the 70s.
I own several road atlas that have it spelled with an H.
You're the one who's confused.
@remedyhawke I'm from uintah county bud I lived half my life in the uinta mountains now I live in slc to but still got lots of family up in the basin. And know it well. 46 yrs old here.