1988 Porsche 911 Turbo - The Boosted Air Cooled 930 Widow Maker (POV Binaural Audio)
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I love how you drive casual daily drivers one video then rare sports cars in the next.
agreed
the 2001 aston martin db7, my favorite casual daily driver
He just drive everything, as I would
Great channel and presenter.Cars choice like Doug,but with POV.Great.
Can I just say thank you for driving so many classics. You're giving us such an unfiltered, classy experience of seeing these older beautiful cars (added with interesting commentary!) and it's a joy to see.
One if the most gorgeous cars ever made
my wish has been granted. another tedward 911 video
The G body Cabriolet was one of my dream cars when I was 17 in 1989. The 930's turbo came on like "I am thinking.....AND NOW!!!"
The first Porsche I ever rode in was a 79' 930 Turbo, I was about 18 years old and drove a Corsica at the time. When the boost came on in that thing was like the opening race in Fast and Furious for me, it was fantastic!!!
You mentioned it feeling anemic before the boost kicked in. That's the REAL BEAUTY of a 930. If you've Not lit the afterburner, it's as docile as a VW bug. I had occasion once to drive a 934, converted for the street. After getting the feel of it, I "Lit the burners!" As the boost went thru 8/10th's of an atmosphere... I saw God! One final thing, if you had redlined it in first gear (6,800 rpm) the shift into second would have put you into the torque band for second. Shifting faster would also reduce the turbo dropoff. Beautiful car!!
after seeing your own 911 with the momo steering wheel, any other porches with the stock wheel just look strange lol
That’s how it feels after you swap to a smaller diameter wheel.. stock ones usually look strange and the feel is weird
Imagine… just imagine…. Porsche were able to bring this exact design and engine back, and it wasn’t astronomically priced and easily obtainable by Porsche standards. If they were ever back in bankrupt, this would surely bring them back out
The stupid new safety regulations and emissions regulations would not allow this body and engine to be sold again
What a beauty. Man, you’re so lucky too be able to drive all those dream cars. In this case, I am really jealous
Absolute classic from my HS graduation year.
I remember drooling over these 911 Porsches in magazines.
I recall the RUF Yellow Bird among others and wanting to experience them all.
Great vid!!!
The 930 is one of the greatest sports cars of all time. I think the earlier versions from the 70s were twitchier. By 1988, they had done what they could to calm down the back end a bit.
im sure the long gearing was to help with that as well
Ted, I had a 1978 911-SC Targa and looking at the dash of the 1988 Turbo, it’s pretty much the same except for the steering wheel…amazing how Porsche didn’t mess with a good thing!
Watching this video makes my very soul ache with nostalgia, longing and regret. Learned to properly drive in a black '72 911S Targa (yes, the one with the oil fill flap) and the sounds, feelings and raw connectivity are still with me 34+ years later. The new ones might be faster, handle better and blah blah blah; but nothing, and I mean *nothing*, sounds like and old air cooled 911. ❤ By all the automotive gods, I miss it so much. Did test drive a 964 Turbo for a friend (he wound up with a 911 C4 instead) and, man, the turbo lag wasn't nearly as bad. Regret as I didn't bite the bullet and buy a "regular" 911/964 when the prices were merely "painful" vs. unobtanium. Maybe someday.
Why did the friend chose the c4 over the Porsche?
I could maybe understand going for a c5 or a c6, but the lame c4?
Can't understand why anyone would do that
@@siddharthsharma8940 Sorry, by C4 is meant a Carrera4.
It sounds beautiful 🔥🔥
The most awesome Porsche ever made.
would make for a fun summer cruiser! im more partial to the NA air cooled 911s myself though haha
Awesome drive, would love to see you drive 1989 930 with the g50 5speed to hear what you think about it. Supposedly, it’s more usable and transforms the drive.
The whistle the engine makes sis addicting ❤
i was expecting this to be kinda slow like most turbo cars in this era werent really all that great but this thing pulls like a train its actually crazy. i guess the low weight helps too with that. also crazy is that 1-2 shift... look at that lag on the boost gauge, no wonder people had trouble driving this.
It’s crazy to watch that speedo! It’s a little rocket 🚀
I'm with you on the n/a Carrera, I had the '88 targa with the G50 gearbox and I think the availability of torque without having to find turbo boost made it more drivable as an everyday car.
Peak Porsche :)
Love these and the 964's never been a fan of the later ones even though i know they are better in lots of ways i would still prefer this generation of 911's.
Great content as always! My first Porsche ride was in 1987 when I was 17 in a 1979 930 Turbo and it was an experience I'll never forget.
the boost gauge in bar is so sick
I love air cooled 911s, and was fortunate enough to buy, own and drive a brand new '86 Targa in Guard's Red. The nicest, most fun car I have ever owned among a few "nice cars". Thanks for sharing this review.
This is my dream car
I'm glad it’s not a widower maker, we are immune 😂 Thank you for your fantastic work !
(The fawn is so cute !)
If you can get your hands on a pristine Caprice wood paneled station wagon with the sky blue top from the mid 80's that'd be a great xmas present.
Gearboxes like this is the reason for the saying "Horsepower sells cars but torque wins races"
As much as I love your g50 3.2, The 3.3 930 is one of my dream vehicles, glad you got to enjoy it Ted!
ah these old porsches are amazing
It's hard to describe the sound of these air-cooled engines. It's so mechanical, almost agricultural.
Perfect car
Glorious sound!!!
I remember excactly when I saw a 911 Turbo for the very first time. It was the most beautiful and even dangerous looking car I've ever seen. It's still sexy af today.
My goodness that looks like a smooth driving vehicle. Love the engine sounds!
Probably my favorite thing about this car is the turbo sounds.
Day 9 of asking Tedward to drive the S60R (also, could be a V70 if it’s easier to find, love the vid btw)
This is one of my dream cars, absolutely beautiful!
I love the sound and I love the dash.
Great video!
Extremely beautiful
It was ahead of it's time. Midnight club anyone?
I would love a day of doing nothing but driving around edge of town, occasionally slam the accelerator and get coffee.
I am fortunate never to have had any Porsche product.
What a beautiful machine!
I have come to enjoy your car video's . Bond group really hooks you up ... jeez do they ever . I'd like to see Fuchs make rims to fit the new cars .
My dream in my 20s!❤
As always, excellent content and beautiful car!
I drove once a ‘86 coupe Turbo WLS Euro spec fully loaded with 325hp. What i can tell is that it was much faster and wilder than this one. US regulations killed the real spirit of the raw 930.
I love old Porsche woohoo ❤
good afternoon! very cool 930 turbo!
Howdy!
This is how cars should sound 😅🔥
There are two underlying reasons why this car acquired the "Widowmaker" epithet.
Reason no. 1: engine location. Locating the engine *behind* the rear axle is possibly THE worst choice from the standpoint of handling stability. The late 1930s vintage Tatra 87 adopted the same engine layout, and this had an *interesting* side effect when Nazi Germany invaded Czechoslovakia.
Wehrmacht officers started commandeering Tatra 87 cars for their own use, but didn't understand how to drive them. Which led to fatalities. LOTS of fatalities. To the point where the British secret service referred to the Tatra 87 as the "Czech secret weapon", because more Wehrmacht officers were killed driving Tatra 87s than by enemy fire.
Drive a car with this engine placement into a corner incorrectly, and you risk losing grip at a critical moment ... whereupon the back end steps out in bowel watering fashion. You NEVER want to experience that happening outside of a controlled environment such as a purpose built skid pan.
Reason no. 2: that turbo. Bad enough to have a tail happy car that can pirouette in scary fashion if you mistime a corner, but add that turbo, and you have an extra dimension to worry about. Namely, the manner in which the handling characteristics and suspension loading change *dramatically* when the car transitions boost wise from "meh" to "nitroglycerine". Which you want to AVOID at all costs happening mid corner.
This is a car you buy to teach yourself *restraint* until you've learned its unique handling characteristics. Unfortunately, the idiot yuppies who bought this as a bling status symbol in the 1980s didn't understand this, and racked up some horrific crashes through the same combination of arrogance and low skill that saw off all those Nazis in Tatra 87s.
Now *proper* drivers will spend time working out the fine details via track time, in a setting where your worst fear is looking like an idiot spinning into a deep gravel trap. This is *not* a car for hooligan antics on the road, especially here in the UK where country roads are narrow, have adverse cambers and throw up hazards such as agricultural vehicles waiting around blind bends. Along with plenty of nice trees to wrap your soon to be expired self around if you behave like an idiot.
Make no mistake, driven *properly*, a 930 Turbo can cover ground at an astonishing rate, and is a serious thrill ride if you have the requisite skills. But be prepared to devote a full decade to the business of learning how to drive a 930 correctly, if you want to share your stories in your retirement days.
In Australia in the 1980s, a young woman won the lottery, millions of dollars. She bought a Porsche 930 turbo. A few weeks later, she crashed it on a country road and was killed. Very sad. Widowmaker is apt. Especially if an inexperience driver does not understand rear engine cars and driving fast around corners. Brake before entering the corner, then keep the power on even if just slightly, through the corner. So much fun cornering in a 911/930, but we must understand the dynamics of rear engined cars and corners.
greets from germany ...
It was actually lift off oversteer rather than power oversteer that caused these to have spins leading to that nickname.
Nothing...nothing nothing...open throttle more..then boost hits abit too much, driver lifts off suddenly mid bend, then spin.
Eh that’s the same in all 911s and they didn’t call Carreras widow makers
No the difference is in the early turbos, the lag/ high boost threshold cause drivers to apply too much throttle, then when the boost hit they would lift off suddenly as they get too much acceleration @TedwardDrives .
The NA carreras obviously didnt have that issue. The turbos will only power oversteer if you're very aggressive and deliberate with the throttle/ steering. My trainer had a 930 turbo 4 speed when I graduated in dentistry, know it well.
God what I’d do to have one of these
As a gray market importer of exotics in the 80s I drove several of these. I love the way they look but almost died in one because I was ignorant of it's limitations and trusted it as much as I trusted other super cars. My outlook on all exotics changed immediately and I don't tolerate expensive cars that require special training in order to not hurt them or me. A good exotic is one that enhances your capabilities with a little practice. This one is only good for covering the cracks in your driveway.
Another win!!
I understand that recently, the 'widow-maker' part was 'solved' thanks to modern tires. They got squirelly back in the day because of the limits in tire technology.
Specifically mentioned in this video…..
Wow! Gorgeous!
That thing pulls pretty hard in boost. I'm sure it's a hoot to drive.
About the gearing comparisson to the GT4: Yes but the GT4 has 2 more gears, so less excuse for the tall gearing.
As for the widdowmaker name: yes tyres back then were way worse, but you also have to take into consideration that the sudden change of torque and the was uncommon back then.
So people would roll into throttle out of corners, and "nothing" happened, and then they put in more throttle, and more, and then they hit boost and the torque came way more sudden than they were expecting in the situation, and when you are still in cornering, there's a wet spot, or wrong seating position...
Nice ride Tom😊
The difference that modern tires make is huge, and I think a lot of the “myth” of these cars is based on late ‘70’s and ‘80’s rubber - and a little bit of folks not understanding weight transfer in a 911.
All discussed in the video 🤷🏻♂️
Amazing how slow the boost builds in the intro lol
Beautiful crisp sounding turbo clearly very well maintained.
I would delete the huge power sucking air con and install an aftermarket exhaust it's a little quiet. Would still keep the OEM parts and put it back to stock if for sale. BTW turbo lag is its charm.
Epic…
I didn’t know the 930 even came in a cabriolet.
There is even a targa version which is quiet rare.
dream carrrrr
My dad was very interested in this video as was I, he watched a kid crash one of these in the 70s😭
here in germany the turbo had 3.0 liter 300 hp engine with 5 gear shfter, faster and harder than in the us. 😎btw, our german autobahn allows us often to drive as fast as we want. for us here is 120 - 140 mph normal, love to hit more 😎
nice vid, but the gears are too far apart. you'd have to red line 1st to get any torque out of 2nd. i'd replace with a close ratio gearbox. in this configuration, you only need 2 gears for a daily driver.
Interesting... they're externally gated?
Hey Tom long time watcher, occasional commenter. I'm a journalism student getting ready to graduate in a few months. Any advice for a lover of automobiles on getting into the auto-journalism industry?
Write. That’s all. Start writing about cars. The industry. Reviews. Do it a lot. Then when you want to work for a magazine or blog you’ll have a portfolio. I made videos for years before it became a viable career
@@TedwardDrives Thank you so much for the words of wisdom!
Fun fact, the convertible was more expensive than the coupe in period!
Nice car. Kind of nutty how much steering input is needed. Slow ratio?
It's funny, it doesn’t seem any faster than my standard 87' 3.2 Carrera...
Watching the boost gauge while you were driving -- it was easy. Keep the engine above 3500 rpm, and you'll have almost no lag. But with those long gears, you've got to rev it to redline in order to keep it above 3500 RPM when shifting gears.
That wasn’t scary enough. Faster, Teddy, faster! 😂
Porsche logo : "give me five!"
It’s kind of cool that for the 1988 model year, Porsche made a turbocharged option for the 911
They actually started making the 930 in the mid 70s and stopped in 1989.
I wish one day you take out the 86.5-1992 toyota supra n/a or turbo & the 93-96 honda prelude vtec model specifically.
That's strange I could have sworn its a 92-95 prelude that encompassed that generation...
@@qztip Well in 1992 it was called the Prelude Si VTEC for some reason. After that it was normal but in 94-96 they made the full dash in that spaceshift style lighting behind the gauges. Although I do prefer the OBD1 H22A1 Preludes the most. Thanks for the comment.
This seems really docile now, compared to today's monsters..
Hi, any chance for a pristine 944 S2 or Turbo, not the usual ratty ones?
991/992 GT3 RS 24" this is brilliant. but i like this >> 911 930 1998
Real sexy, never gets old
Do these older Porsches handle like today's sports cars?
Not at all
Can u drive a b5 s4?
Have to keep the kettle boiling or you fall off the cliff
Hey I have a question, with your POV setup, does the bridge of your nose get sore over time? My gopro kinda rests on the top of it but it got really sore and I'm just curious if you have something that prevents that.
Isn’t he wearing a GoPro cap? That’s what he wore in older videos at least I believe.
Nose no. Between my eyebrows yes lol
First! Woo hoo!
Ai
I'm just not a fan of the older Porsche steering wheels. If this car had something like the older bmw steering wheels it would be perfect.
Sorry... but I'm not going anywhere near a vehicle called the Widow Maker...
Glorified vw bug. That lump of an engine hanging off the back...horrible.
🙄
T R O L L
The 993 GT2 got the nickname Widowmaker , not that old 930!
Wrong
lol wrong.
I’m surprised it only has a 4 speed..didn’t most cars in the 80s have 5 speeds? Regardless this Porsche is stunningggg
The 915 5-speed box from the N/A 3.2 couldn't handle the Turbo torque .
Even my 1986 3.2 915 box has a little oilpump with an external oilcooler.
Still going strong after nearly 38 years.
Is nobody gonna mention the and hand print he left on the hood???? That shi will make me lose sleep ong 😭😭🗣️
Therapy mate. Your life could be easier.
@@TedwardDrives absolutely real😭😭😭