Mike, I am a fan of Pioneer, but those DS speakers are performing very well and sound amazing ! I hear clarity, deep bass response, and imaging from that speaker ! Give DS their props bro they have earned it !
I was confused at first because the ds18 has a speaker looks just like the pioneer exactly with red cone. Plus compare even next time ds18 has one pro model too but the ds18 sounds good very close sounding
The ds18 is louder than the pioneer because the pioneer is midbass. The bass sounds a lot better on the pioneer. The pioneer will add sound quality to the music. So I can’t say which speaker is better because they have completely different purposes. I like midbass and midrange speakers because I like sound quality and loud music
both should be crossed over low and high and let the highs be taken care off by a tweeter and the lows by a sub, and that pioneer is susceptible to dust ingress cuz the coil is literally open
The pioneer sounds more crisp im assuming because of the higher frequency range but for my purpose im gonna go with the ds18 because i want more of that lower mid frequency. This video really helps to show the difference tho.
I'm dumbfounded why Pioneer would discontinue one of the best drivers they ever made. (probably 'cause they can't lower the cost enough to sell at Walmart)
It depends because it is not the same to have them in an amplifier and to have them with a good crossover and that ds18 is the same as PRV audio, only different brands
It wouldn’t in a system that has good sq subs and good xovers properly set with separated highs and mids and lows powered right and optimized for sq the DS would stand out more but if you just looking to upgrade from factory speakers sure the pioneers.
They both sound good but Pioneer sounds “better”…. But with the DS18 the mids are more focused in a more specific band allowing more control when tuning your stereo sound that’s consisted of other subs, woofers and tweeters. I’d say the pioneer is an option if you want a more fuller sound with less speakers.
Hi mike really like the videos you make and helping people thank you on that a few weeks ago I bought the JBL 6by8 and the JBL 6by9 GTO and got the Orion CM8 8” I just ordered the other Orion 8” the 1600 watts I’m planning on putting these in the back deck on a 2005 mustang I would have not bought these speakers without your videos thanks
I know that for home audio pioneer is my favorite I've got a pare of HPM700's and if you ever get a chance to hear a pare you will understand why they go for 1500$ despite being from the 80's
hey mike will 4x TS-M650PRO work with 4x rf T2T-S 1” aluminum dome tweeter 90db + 600w sub in car audio for hatchbatch. if not than any other, not bullet tweeters plz.... thank you
I was wondering if you could put a LED light to come on each time you switch to another speaker. And could post in writing the numbers you come up with on each speaker and put in writing the final results
Hey Mike, you convinced me to get the pioneer 6.75 wanting to upgrade to an 8”. Should I get the puoneer 8 or what would you recommend ? Looking for a hybrid spl/sq system.
@@LIFEINSPEED Thank you very much Mike, well I already bought the Pioneer TS-M800PRO 8" and placed them in the back of a Toyota Land Cruiser series 90, with power I am quite conservative since I move each medium with one channel of a JL amplifier Slash 300/4 that barely provides 75 wrms each.JLW1v2 original box subwoofer of two 10" moved by a JL 500/1. I can't be happier, I'm anxious now to place those TS-M650 PRO in the front, which tweeter do you recommend to accompany them? I was thinking about some TS-20 that I already have. Thank you for your valuable advice and congratulations on your channel, many successes
Im a pioneer fan til the day i die ....i had a pair lf the ts-w1200pro 12s on an 8601 and those subs get stupid loud. Now, im definitely not a "pro audio" type of guy. I like a more conventional setup, but Ive always been curious about the pro series mids and tweeters. I can get my 23yr old ts-m7prs mids down in the 35-40hz range comfortably, although they arent really intended for that. I bet with some dsp action, i can make these pro's sound pretty good.
How do you wire these speakers to a 4 channel ampli? Do you need crossovers? I have 2 of these sets what you call 2 way component speakers and it comes with crossovers. I want to do 4 of those pioneers pro mids with 4 tweeters to a 4 channel ampli.
It’s crazy that I see people blindly hating on DS18 😭😭 like those speakers sound good even stock (no amp) .. pls wake up and stop randomly hating brands bro lol
@@LIFEINSPEED thank you . I’m looking for something decent for my Harley as a replacement . And they run (4) 2ohm 5.25s off the radio. Looking for something that can put out the vocals clear and loud . And have some low end punch seems im really lacking with the speakers that are in there any kind of bass is non existent.
i have an advice for all of you guys : if u dont have a great headset , u dont feel the diff between the speakers !! i did the test : Pioneer is much much better and of course moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee expensive
Pioneer its not what it used to be back in the day. Pioneer its a expensive brand. If you do a basic set up with pioneer might as well just buy jl audio or infinity. Theres brands like timpano prv ds 18 skar audio down4sound ct sounds that consumers use alot alot more over pioneer. Every car set up requires diferent types of speskers.
my opinion the vid is kinda bad, they both should be run with a sub and tweeter so you can actually compare what they're made to play (mids) or be crossed to only play mids anyone that runs mids without tweeters doesnt enjoy real music either way or has their hearing damaged so far it doesnt matter to them
damn bro, i loved your channel. Now your sponsored by DS18. You're honest opinion is now gone when running that brand. I personally do not like DS18. Garbage brand, not well built. You have ripped them apart in previous videos talking about them charging more based on the color red. Obviously you werent serious, but you hated those particular speakers. I aint mad at you for getting paid, but you're going hype up them up knowing they aint that good. The pioneers sounded better in this video plain and simple. Don't change who you are or this channel will crumble, People dont tolerate bias opinions. Stay true my man.
Thank you bro for your comment I wish I get paid or sponsored but nope I didn't get a penny for my videos Jist decided to help companies to get more views) Actually, they tune that 10th-anniversary model a little better that's all
@@LIFEINSPEED - My assumption was wrong and i stand corrected. Just saw the t-shirt and obviously was like shit, my man flipped to the dark side. Much respect, keep doing what you're doing. I love audio videos bro!
You clearly have no clue about ds18. Pioneer is good stuff no doubt. And I've had them all. I have a near 6000$ setup on my bike that would change your mind about ds18. Competing in May at bike week at thunder Beach. If you're there you can listen and you'll think differently.
Need rewatch video. You maybe just saying you like DS18 Cause you just like or have DS18 Overall? Pioneer better BUT he had 2 different speaker types n wasn’t same
I have Phoenix Gold n ds18 NOT overall better. I have them all through my 2005 Dodge Magnum front to back and in doors. Overall? DS18 not better. Ppl only want loudness??? My system high end n it's loud, crisp n clear - facts
I don't know what you've heard from ds18. But I'll be at thunder Beach the first week of May. You can hear my bike and I'll bet you'll change your mind.
@@Pbull75 no I won't. Unless your a damn good tuner with some damn good components I'll pass. I'm not interested in poor soundstage and terrible midbass.
@@papermaker85 I can tune with the best of them. And I got one well of a soundstage believe me. It sounds like an orchestra. I have mid base I have subs mid-range a little bit of everything. Loud and clear. .
Ds18 is no different than other brands. You have the entry level, mid level and high end. I run the new carbon highs and mids. And honestly you can make most sound good with good clean power. If you don't have that I don't care what kind of speakers you have it's not going to sound like you really wantit to.
yo man nice vid, one question though, what do you do with all the speakers you test and buy? like ive seen mabey only 10 videos of yours and probably have seen like 30 speakers in total. you must have so much man
The Pioneer TS-M650PRO just sounds better, no comparison at all. 😊
meh the vid is bad, these should both play midrange only, not high tones, and be paired with a tweeter
Mike, I am a fan of Pioneer, but those DS speakers are performing very well and sound amazing ! I hear clarity, deep bass response, and imaging from that speaker ! Give DS their props bro they have earned it !
Are you talking from hearing them in person, or from what you heard here in this demo?
I was confused at first because the ds18 has a speaker looks just like the pioneer exactly with red cone. Plus compare even next time ds18 has one pro model too but the ds18 sounds good very close sounding
The ds18 is louder than the pioneer because the pioneer is midbass. The bass sounds a lot better on the pioneer. The pioneer will add sound quality to the music. So I can’t say which speaker is better because they have completely different purposes. I like midbass and midrange speakers because I like sound quality and loud music
both should be crossed over low and high and let the highs be taken care off by a tweeter and the lows by a sub, and that pioneer is susceptible to dust ingress cuz the coil is literally open
Im glad your doing these type of videos again cant wait to see more thanks again keep them coming
Welcome back looking forward to see b&c vs 18 sounds
The pioneer sounds more crisp im assuming because of the higher frequency range but for my purpose im gonna go with the ds18 because i want more of that lower mid frequency. This video really helps to show the difference tho.
I'm dumbfounded why Pioneer would discontinue one of the best drivers they ever made. (probably 'cause they can't lower the cost enough to sell at Walmart)
The Pioneers still sound better for me
It depends because it is not the same to have them in an amplifier and to have them with a good crossover and that ds18 is the same as PRV audio, only different brands
@@forzagaming6548 prv is a designer manufacture ds18 is a marketing company
@@fuckgoogleandyou8779 That is correct, they are a good speakers that are at a high level
It wouldn’t in a system that has good sq subs and good xovers properly set with separated highs and mids and lows powered right and optimized for sq the DS would stand out more but if you just looking to upgrade from factory speakers sure the pioneers.
@@kevinb.8649 For that I better ride the walmart kicker than ride the pioneer😂
They both sound good but Pioneer sounds “better”…. But with the DS18 the mids are more focused in a more specific band allowing more control when tuning your stereo sound that’s consisted of other subs, woofers and tweeters. I’d say the pioneer is an option if you want a more fuller sound with less speakers.
Hi mike really like the videos you make and helping people thank you on that a few weeks ago I bought the JBL 6by8 and the JBL 6by9 GTO and got the Orion CM8 8” I just ordered the other Orion 8” the 1600 watts I’m planning on putting these in the back deck on a 2005 mustang I would have not bought these speakers without your videos thanks
How do you like the jbl gto 6x9?
I know that for home audio pioneer is my favorite I've got a pare of HPM700's and if you ever get a chance to hear a pare you will understand why they go for 1500$ despite being from the 80's
Out of those 2? Pioneer sounds BETTER.
Louder not always better. With me? It’s Quality / Clarity in sound w the low deep boom
there aren't meant to play high or low tones either way, i would run either with a crossover and tweeter and subwoofer
That pioneer blew the Ds18 out of the water if you are looking for sound quality, The Ds18 is great if you want loud speaks.
I just Buy black diamond 6,5" 60 watts RMS, they sounds good! Does ship speakers
hey mike will 4x TS-M650PRO work with 4x rf T2T-S 1” aluminum dome tweeter 90db + 600w sub in car audio for hatchbatch. if not than any other, not bullet tweeters plz.... thank you
I like to see this two speackers FOCAL PC710 7"x10 vs infinity kappa 93ix, I buy right now 2 par Kappa 93ix I follow your channel thank you 😎😃✌️
I was wondering if you could put a LED light to come on each time you switch to another speaker. And could post in writing the numbers you come up with on each speaker and put in writing the final results
Pioneer FTW they have way more depth and clarity just have to make sure your depth is good in your doors if you're mounting them in a car door
You need to do some power range comparison videos, 50w rms, 100w rms, and so on.. not everyone building sound off systems.
Pioneer 💯💪
I've always been a fan of the Pioneer Pro series.
What are you using for amplifier?
Someone got sponsored by ds18 lol shirt and computer in the back , paid advertisement 💯
Thanks!
DS18 not worried about bass. Buyers buy for mids, already have subs.
Hey Mike, you convinced me to get the pioneer 6.75 wanting to upgrade to an 8”. Should I get the puoneer 8 or what would you recommend ? Looking for a hybrid spl/sq system.
what's are some good 6x9 real loud?
How do you think the pioneer compares to the timpanos you reviewed before.. tpt m6 I believe?
Do you any info on the DS18 PRO-M8.2NEO ? I am wanting to use them as a 2ohm mid bass in a fully active 3 way front. Mids and tweets are focal kx3
The crazy part is ds18 has a speaker now that looks just like the pioneer
Can you run with edge pro unlimited 6.5 800wts 400rms with the ds18 10th aniversary
Greetings Mike, personally which speaker do you prefer of the two and why?
If im not running crazy amp machetta way to go if I want loudest then ds18
@@LIFEINSPEED Thank you very much Mike, well I already bought the Pioneer TS-M800PRO 8" and placed them in the back of a Toyota Land Cruiser series 90, with power I am quite conservative since I move each medium with one channel of a JL amplifier Slash 300/4 that barely provides 75 wrms each.JLW1v2 original box subwoofer of two 10" moved by a JL 500/1. I can't be happier, I'm anxious now to place those TS-M650 PRO in the front, which tweeter do you recommend to accompany them? I was thinking about some TS-20 that I already have. Thank you for your valuable advice and congratulations on your channel, many successes
@@LIFEINSPEED ❤️
Im a pioneer fan til the day i die ....i had a pair lf the ts-w1200pro 12s on an 8601 and those subs get stupid loud.
Now, im definitely not a "pro audio" type of guy. I like a more conventional setup, but Ive always been curious about the pro series mids and tweeters.
I can get my 23yr old ts-m7prs mids down in the 35-40hz range comfortably, although they arent really intended for that.
I bet with some dsp action, i can make these pro's sound pretty good.
Uncle mike is back finally 🎉
How do you wire these speakers to a 4 channel ampli? Do you need crossovers? I have 2 of these sets what you call 2 way component speakers and it comes with crossovers. I want to do 4 of those pioneers pro mids with 4 tweeters to a 4 channel ampli.
Does orion still have the best 6.5
It’s crazy that I see people blindly hating on DS18 😭😭 like those speakers sound good even stock (no amp) .. pls wake up and stop randomly hating brands bro lol
Can you test the new pioneer version tsm651pro
Try compare them to Phoenix Gold in 12”
Hey Mike or anyone…I’m looking for recommendations on a 8” speaker that plays down to 60hz no problem
What tweeter are you using?
Hey Mike when are you going to test some HIGH RESOLUTION AUDIO CAR SPEAKERS, like Pioneer, JBL , SONY ,
Hi I test them already )
@@LIFEINSPEED can u give me the date you made the video , I have never seen it
Hi mike I wanted ask if u seen the JBL stadium GTO 860c 2 way speakers it has the separate tweeter are these good?
The sounds same
I love the Pionner speaker better.
Please some 10” ? Mid bass prv 10mb800ft 🇬🇾
Where is the coupon good for? And do they offer a 2ohm version
I didn't see 2ohm I had only 8 and 4-ohm ones I
@@LIFEINSPEED thank you . I’m looking for something decent for my Harley as a replacement . And they run (4) 2ohm 5.25s off the radio. Looking for something that can put out the vocals clear and loud . And have some low end punch seems im really lacking with the speakers that are in there any kind of bass is non existent.
Hello how many watts should I throw at my pioneers
Hi pioneer advertise 150 but on my test its takinh 200w with no problem if you feed with clean signal
Brother which amplifier are you using to test these mids ?
Hey mike can you test the DD audio A series 6.5 and the sky high audio 6.5
Ok I'm gonna order them )
Why are you comparing a 8ohm to a 4ohm from the same source? of course the 4ohm will sound more powerful. Compare with the PRO-64XA 10th ann.
Pioneer sounds better
What tweeter do u recommend to go with the orion 6.5 hcca?
I like pioneer tweeter or go with JBL horn drivers they can go up to 21khz and they get loud
Can you send me the link to both tweeter u r talking about
You are just bias cause you work for ds18...
Yeah they also drop a stack of cash everyday. If it makes you feel better then there it is 🤣🤣
@@LIFEINSPEED yup.. it does... Im happier than a two pecker deer during rut.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pioneer playing best role
hey mike, can you try this ds18 vs the orion xtx645?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Yeah will do it )
i have an advice for all of you guys :
if u dont have a great headset , u dont feel the diff between the speakers !!
i did the test : Pioneer is much much better and of course moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee expensive
Pioneer its not what it used to be back in the day. Pioneer its a expensive brand. If you do a basic set up with pioneer might as well just buy jl audio or infinity. Theres brands like timpano prv ds 18 skar audio down4sound ct sounds that consumers use alot alot more over pioneer. Every car set up requires diferent types of speskers.
@@rhurtadorh32 the bass in the ds 18 is badd !!! the pioneer has a better sound
Pioneer very good sound 👌
my opinion the vid is kinda bad, they both should be run with a sub and tweeter so you can actually compare what they're made to play (mids) or be crossed to only play mids
anyone that runs mids without tweeters doesnt enjoy real music either way or has their hearing damaged so far it doesnt matter to them
Try the ds18 pro hybrid 6.5
Mine started to fall apart I have 3 pairs of 8 in sitting there
@@sergioquiroz5388 damn that sucks bro. Mine are ok, they just aren't as loud as my D4S 6.5s.
damn bro, i loved your channel. Now your sponsored by DS18. You're honest opinion is now gone when running that brand. I personally do not like DS18. Garbage brand, not well built. You have ripped them apart in previous videos talking about them charging more based on the color red. Obviously you werent serious, but you hated those particular speakers. I aint mad at you for getting paid, but you're going hype up them up knowing they aint that good. The pioneers sounded better in this video plain and simple. Don't change who you are or this channel will crumble, People dont tolerate bias opinions. Stay true my man.
Thank you bro for your comment I wish I get paid or sponsored but nope I didn't get a penny for my videos Jist decided to help companies to get more views)
Actually, they tune that 10th-anniversary model a little better that's all
@@LIFEINSPEED - My assumption was wrong and i stand corrected. Just saw the t-shirt and obviously was like shit, my man flipped to the dark side. Much respect, keep doing what you're doing. I love audio videos bro!
From this video, Pioneer better all around speaker
Ppl just want louder??? Nothing else??? Why not have all around range w Pioneer ?!
cause the tweeters can take care of that.
See, you got sponsored by DS18😅😅😅 but the pioneer sounds much more relaxed. DS18 cheap Chinese speakers.
🧢 if you in Puerto Rico you would say otherwise
They both sound great
Nope no paid advertising on my channel🤫
You clearly have no clue about ds18. Pioneer is good stuff no doubt. And I've had them all. I have a near 6000$ setup on my bike that would change your mind about ds18. Competing in May at bike week at thunder Beach. If you're there you can listen and you'll think differently.
I have 2 sets
👍👍🥳🥳
The DS18 seems to sound better to me
Need rewatch video. You maybe just saying you like DS18 Cause you just like or have DS18
Overall? Pioneer better
BUT he had 2 different speaker types n wasn’t same
What’s a great Sony receiver with multiple channels and connections under $600.00?
🤔 it’s Obvious DS18 paying you
Alpine overall better, simple
Or PhenixGold
I have Phoenix Gold Components & Love ❤️ Them. Nice 👍 & Clear and tweeters are Amazing!! 6:45
I have Phoenix Gold n ds18 NOT overall better.
I have them all through my 2005 Dodge Magnum front to back and in doors. Overall? DS18 not better. Ppl only want loudness???
My system high end n it's loud, crisp n clear - facts
I mean your comparing a bullet to a normal mid but let’s see who outplays who when you hook them up to a amp that ds is taking the w
Sorry but ds18 no good 🤷🏻 😜
dont buy it
Connect that pioneer to a real amp that wont hold up, in the other hand ds18 are made to be put on amplifiers
What do you mean it won't hold up connected to a amp. I have 4 of these going to a amp just fine.... you sound hurt
D's 18 nos shit about speakers.
Pioneer makes vastly better speakers
I don't know what you've heard from ds18. But I'll be at thunder Beach the first week of May. You can hear my bike and I'll bet you'll change your mind.
@@Pbull75 no I won't. Unless your a damn good tuner with some damn good components I'll pass. I'm not interested in poor soundstage and terrible midbass.
@@papermaker85 I can tune with the best of them. And I got one well of a soundstage believe me. It sounds like an orchestra. I have mid base I have subs mid-range a little bit of everything. Loud and clear. .
Ds18 is no different than other brands. You have the entry level, mid level and high end. I run the new carbon highs and mids. And honestly you can make most sound good with good clean power. If you don't have that I don't care what kind of speakers you have it's not going to sound like you really wantit to.
@@Pbull75 I have seen anything remotely high-end from them from an engineering stand point just Chinese shelf shit
yo man nice vid, one question though, what do you do with all the speakers you test and buy? like ive seen mabey only 10 videos of yours and probably have seen like 30 speakers in total. you must have so much man
Giving away )
Lol if only i was in the Usa. I would have loved those jbl gto's😅
pioneer sounds better