Yeah, his name was always so misleading as he was the most mechanical macro Terran on this level. That said it really helps with his cheese that he has this reputation. Nobody expected this of him I think, even after his cheeses in the other matches.
Lately it seems like Innovation has actually been playing up to his name, while still maintaining his machine-like efficiency, and he's been kicking so much ass.
Sc always keeps you busy, and its more then that because the longer the match goes the more micro intensive it gets... its one of the only games that gets my heart rate up and hot while playing a good match 👍
I really wonder what happened in Game 1? SPOILER Why was Inno even with Maru when the big fights started after losing so many SCVs in the early game? Did Maru invest in anything that didn't pay out or did he just to many mistakes that piled up? The only thing I realized was that Maru had a ton of infrastructure to rebuild quickly but I wasn't able to see if Inno had a similar amount of Barracks/Factories/Starports.
Dota is basically as hard as controlling 1 Ghost. In SC2 you have to scan for banes, build units, drop, stop a Zergling run by while you're controlling that Ghost.
e.g. dota2 matches are on average something like 3 times longer than sc2. Doesnt really make sense to say "ah but fighting games are a lot shorter so its okay" and not makr that point with games that are longer than sc2.
I think the spirit of the Q is clear: the question is basically "in which game do you suffer the most/have the least opportunity to take your hands off the keyboard if say you had to adjust your shirt." That was the context. Mobas are definitely the closest comparison, but looking at it in the intended light, mobas have tons of downtime. For example running back to base, or running from base after tp, deaths, downtime at points of the laning phase which forms a considerable part of the game (say you kill your opponent in lane and you're a farming hero - your only job is to last hit creeps and buy items occasionally on courier until they return to lane, you would barely suffer to take a sip of water in between creep waves or w/e sometimes). While in rts and starcraft, outside of the first minute 100% of your apm ability is required for maximum performance. You will do measurably worse if you stop playing for 10 seconds, while this is not the case if well timed in a moba. For the record I'm mainly a moba player, so not biased towards starcraft.
@@nitroyetevn And then racing? You can't take your hands off the wheel. You have to actively steer. Once Artosis mentioned it, Tasteless moved the goal posts. Oh, you have to be pressing multiple buttons.
No, he would never throw the match it's way too risky, you want to get out of the group first you don't want to risk getting eliminated in the final match. Maru simply got ouplayed and lost.
@@scarredableTo me it does make sense to avoid Trap if you are Maru. Because its going to be a TvP, Maru has practiced alot of that, which should be against Trap who are his teammate. So its kinda obvious they both knew exactly what kind of build they are going to use against each other, and making it quite pointless.
@@Sol-gz4pp Well, he got scared by Ragnarok in that first game, but still beating him. And I think Maru is confident he would beat him again with his TvZ. If its Zest, then even better because Maru 8-1 Zest the last time they met. And I am not saying that Maru trying to lose on purpose, he just not doing much trying to win against Innovation. No proxy racks, no early 2 base push, just basic 3-base macro in both games. Thats just not how Maru would play normally, look like hes just going through the motion against a COM.
@@tigera6 Even if he was confident he would never give up the chance to go first, it would simply be stupid to no try your hardest to win the winners match and be done with the group, no progamer at this level would ever do that and risk getting eliminated in the final match, it's stupid. He was clearly trying and trying has nothing to do with that, you can play standard macro games and try it's only a bo3, he also didnt proxy against ragnarok that doesnt mean he was not trying. If you look at the games it was obvious he was trying, trying to do as much damage as he could with the hellions, trying to micro as hard as possible against the bcs, he just go outplayed in both games.The first game he got surprised by innovation tanks/vikings attack on his base and lost control over the game, the second game he got really suprised by innovation's build, clearly tried to defend his hardest but still got killed by the bcs/hellions.
It also felt weird that they excluded fighting games cuz "those games are so short." Like what? the average fighting game is probably longer than the average PartinG game
@@mythlegend1994 Then they did a damn poor job of phrasing. Moreover, some rts don't require near as much micro as others. I know they mention there's other rts, but they made it sound like only consider star craft because it's played professionally/competitively. That's why I mentioned aoe because that actually has global competitions too.
Fighting games you can't take your hands off the keyboard either. Although matches are much shorter in those. For multiple units, you have the standard turn based strategy games I guess. Also rogue type games. I guess RPG's where you get a team to fight like final fantasy but that's single player.
@@luisperez3968 Exactly, king took down a usurper, not it's time for some proper nukework against some top non-korean zergs (let's be real, that one game with Serral on King's Cove is the best game ever, I need to see something like it again)
28:27: Gyuri: "The TvP Win Rate is like over 80% right now." 28:47: INnoVation: "Right now it looks pretty favorable for the Terran." First non-Protoss player I've ever seen to openly admit the game's imbalance favoring his own race. o_O
most likely Maru wasn't serious. I mean you don't see Maru throwing away 19 SCV kill leads. Killing 19 SCV then going late game is kinda weird. But nevertheless .... 3 BCs was cool to see.
inno went for 3ccs in the early game so altough he was punished for that he recovered super quickly, then i think maru had some missplays (went for the drop when there was several vikings f.e.). im looking foward to the semifinals if both get there, i think maru is overall a better player in the bo7.
Maru didint plan to lose, no one will risk play extra games, especially when Zest or Rag were in loser bracket. Just think, from point of view, Yee he throw game with INoVation to probably fight Zest(P)? (i know Zest Lose) u guys out of your mind :D INoVation win with better strategy. And im Happy to see INoVation :D my favorite terran Player :D
You're a dumbass lol. I'm Korean, but I freely admit that Korean e-sports is NOTORIOUS for this shit... not just e-sports, but all forms of competition. It's a very much cultural thing because of how fucked up Korean society is in terms of education and lifestyle depending significantly on your comparison to others unlike here in America where you can fuck up but still make a living. It's ALWAYS about the ultimate win, and nothing else matters.
naw, ill stick to my sex, drugs and rock n roll. Actually,i think ill increase my sin cause of this stupid fucking post.Take your religious bullshit somewhere else.
OK LET ME STOP YOU THERE TASTELESS! In Quake you're just "holding down run"? XD Jesus man. SC2 is an amazing game but it's 20% luck (maybe 30%) and you can only micro one unit at a time with 100% skill. Two great pro players can fight and one can "blindly" win within 4 minutes just because of a blind build choice or the other didn't scout. Luck is a huge factor. Quake is just holding down run? XD Talk about angles, speed, weight, inertia, positioning, timing, aiming, controling, forwarding, backing, thinking forward, map control .... nah fuck that, just hold down RUN. Artosis knows. But seriously Tasteless, give it a rest man! SC2 is amazing and entertaining to watch but ... just holding down RUN? Quake eliminates LUCK more than any other video game ever except maybe two player computer chess. Give it a rest! XD Oh and one can do exactly the same commands and outcome as a pro SC2 player without clicking 250 times a minute (SPAM). Look at Empire KAS. Click click click click is, as grubby says, WHY NOT SPAM? Every single move in Quake relates directly to the outcome of the game because it changes your position. SC2 .... no. Just, no. Please stop! XD Come play me Tasteless and just hold down run. You will be fine!
Anyone who doesn't know or agree with that is clearly not even able to understand my comment. Explain exactly how Starcraft 2, even at a pro level, isn't 20-30% luck! I am all ears! XD
In Quake theoretically you have a second when you're dead. In starcraft theres always something to do. Even in the beginning when you watch your SCV's you can get ahead, by letting them mine more efficiently. Why can you micro only one unit efficiently? You can micro 2, 3. or 4 in groups right with 100 efficiency. And yes, Starcraft has an element of luck, because you don't have all the information needed to make a judgement, but quake has that too. You dont know where all the enemies are, you don;t know what guns they carry, so you can get unlucky.
@@Timmsh88 So you can micro (that is INDIVIDUALLY CONTROL) "groups" of units? And the AI doesn't do a thing? Without a command from you, the unit is motionless and inert and doesn't fire or defend? Did you not read my comment about Empire KAS with his 70APM pro level play? How about Grubby admitting hundreds of times that it is uneccessary to click 300 times a minute but it keeps one "warmed up"? Show me a game of Quake III OSP at any division one or pro level play that ends in 4 minutes due to the player not knowing where the enemy is or what they are doing! XD You clearly don't understand Quake III enough to even contest my comment. Now if someone who is pro level SC2 and pro level Quake would like to throw in, I'd be all ears. And please .... when you're dead you don't "click" in Quake. That is a real argument from you? XD Before the respawn? Jesus christ man. LOL!
@@TheVanillatech that's what they are talking about (tasteless and artosis), 'you can't even put your shirt straight during a game'. Well, of course you can debate this, like you do. But in quake you do have a second to put your shirt straight, when you die. If you need communication from your team mates, it means not all information is freely available. So yes luck is involved. I'm not here to argue about the percentages of luckz because that's straight out of your ass, but if you wish we can debate this. Kas is a pro, yes. But definitely not a high pro, and even though his average clicks aren't high, he knows when he needs to click fast or be dead in seconds.
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Innovation was very
Invovative tonight!
Baddum TISH!
I see what you did there xD
I appreciate that there are no spoilers in the title.
@Vinnie P. sc2links.com
they do that for about a week and then switch it to names for ppl looking for certain players later on.
I appreciate the first comment isn't a dumbass spoiler as it is more often than not.
Even Maru is smiling at the end.
Looks like Maru can't handle this much innovation.
Seems like Innovation became self-aware
Holy jesus ino living up to his name and isn't a mechanical terran anymore
Yeah, his name was always so misleading as he was the most mechanical macro Terran on this level.
That said it really helps with his cheese that he has this reputation. Nobody expected this of him I think, even after his cheeses in the other matches.
Innovation acquired Innovation!
Innovation used Innovation on Maru! Very Innovative!
Lately it seems like Innovation has actually been playing up to his name, while still maintaining his machine-like efficiency, and he's been kicking so much ass.
27:07 What song is playing in the background, I hear it alot but my phone can't figure it out because of the interviews lol
I'm guessing that was our energetic Tasteless singing the Coffin Dance song at 0:01 xD
Sc always keeps you busy, and its more then that because the longer the match goes the more micro intensive it gets... its one of the only games that gets my heart rate up and hot while playing a good match 👍
well now we get to watch more maru games, ty inno!
The Machine is back
Nope. The innovation is back.
@@anhvunguyentran ? INNOVATION is also known as the machine
If inno can play this unpredictable style going forward....good luck
9:14 The demilitarized zone between North Korea and South Korea.
what is the title of the music at the start of the video???
Remix of: Vicetone & Tony Igy - Astronomia
@@sadpotato8648 thanks man..
@@sadpotato8648do u know what remix it is?
@@bokningbokning941 ua-cam.com/video/xTaPBOXWrfk/v-deo.html this one
what happened to inno??? the first match of this event and this ... smiling , extra creative , having fun ... i LIKE IT SO MUCH !!!
Great showcase of INoVation's dominance
what's the song at the beginning of the video?? so catchy
Astronomia
I really wonder what happened in Game 1?
SPOILER
Why was Inno even with Maru when the big fights started after losing so many SCVs in the early game? Did Maru invest in anything that didn't pay out or did he just to many mistakes that piled up?
The only thing I realized was that Maru had a ton of infrastructure to rebuild quickly but I wasn't able to see if Inno had a similar amount of Barracks/Factories/Starports.
Klaus Heiszt because inno got a faster 3rd cc and could build more scvs quickly
It's as exciting as Flash vs Fantasy 10 years ago.
Dota is basically as hard as controlling 1 Ghost.
In SC2 you have to scan for banes, build units, drop, stop a Zergling run by while you're controlling that Ghost.
It's awesome how ppl started to actually consider banemines after last few weeks :3
no
Has the Innovation machine finally broken in?
What mida means in korean
what's the name of the girl? who can tell me, i want to miss her!
Innovation living up to his name ♥️
Damn good point about the non stop aspect of RTS. All other Esports have some sort of down time in the 45 min game.
But SC2 games don't last 45 minutes. And Tasteless moved the goalposts one Artosis mentioned racing.
e.g. dota2 matches are on average something like 3 times longer than sc2.
Doesnt really make sense to say "ah but fighting games are a lot shorter so its okay" and not makr that point with games that are longer than sc2.
I think the spirit of the Q is clear: the question is basically "in which game do you suffer the most/have the least opportunity to take your hands off the keyboard if say you had to adjust your shirt." That was the context.
Mobas are definitely the closest comparison, but looking at it in the intended light, mobas have tons of downtime. For example running back to base, or running from base after tp, deaths, downtime at points of the laning phase which forms a considerable part of the game (say you kill your opponent in lane and you're a farming hero - your only job is to last hit creeps and buy items occasionally on courier until they return to lane, you would barely suffer to take a sip of water in between creep waves or w/e sometimes).
While in rts and starcraft, outside of the first minute 100% of your apm ability is required for maximum performance. You will do measurably worse if you stop playing for 10 seconds, while this is not the case if well timed in a moba.
For the record I'm mainly a moba player, so not biased towards starcraft.
@@nitroyetevn And then racing? You can't take your hands off the wheel. You have to actively steer. Once Artosis mentioned it, Tasteless moved the goal posts. Oh, you have to be pressing multiple buttons.
@@chrimony I don't know much about racing games honestly
Maru partly threw this match because he want to avoid Trap?
As Artosis said, it's too risky. I don't think Maru throw it though.
No, he would never throw the match it's way too risky, you want to get out of the group first you don't want to risk getting eliminated in the final match.
Maru simply got ouplayed and lost.
@@scarredableTo me it does make sense to avoid Trap if you are Maru. Because its going to be a TvP, Maru has practiced alot of that, which should be against Trap who are his teammate. So its kinda obvious they both knew exactly what kind of build they are going to use against each other, and making it quite pointless.
@@Sol-gz4pp Well, he got scared by Ragnarok in that first game, but still beating him. And I think Maru is confident he would beat him again with his TvZ. If its Zest, then even better because Maru 8-1 Zest the last time they met.
And I am not saying that Maru trying to lose on purpose, he just not doing much trying to win against Innovation. No proxy racks, no early 2 base push, just basic 3-base macro in both games. Thats just not how Maru would play normally, look like hes just going through the motion against a COM.
@@tigera6 Even if he was confident he would never give up the chance to go first, it would simply be stupid to no try your hardest to win the winners match and be done with the group, no progamer at this level would ever do that and risk getting eliminated in the final match, it's stupid.
He was clearly trying and trying has nothing to do with that, you can play standard macro games and try it's only a bo3, he also didnt proxy against ragnarok that doesnt mean he was not trying.
If you look at the games it was obvious he was trying, trying to do as much damage as he could with the hellions, trying to micro as hard as possible against the bcs, he just go outplayed in both games.The first game he got surprised by innovation tanks/vikings attack on his base and lost control over the game, the second game he got really suprised by innovation's build, clearly tried to defend his hardest but still got killed by the bcs/hellions.
Casters: No other game requires you to manage to many things simultaneously for the entire match
Me: Age of Empires would like to know your location
Oh my god. like 9/10 of RTS games require it. C&C, total war, all those wwii rts...good god guys. I was having an aneurysm when they were saying that.
It's really stupid how they think Starcraft is the only RTS out there
It also felt weird that they excluded fighting games cuz "those games are so short." Like what? the average fighting game is probably longer than the average PartinG game
They were talking about all RTS games, not just StarCraft.
@@mythlegend1994 Then they did a damn poor job of phrasing. Moreover, some rts don't require near as much micro as others. I know they mention there's other rts, but they made it sound like only consider star craft because it's played professionally/competitively. That's why I mentioned aoe because that actually has global competitions too.
"so you have one worker? sick"
Damn, Maru might be dethroned as the Terran God in this season.
"Nope, let's keep all of my stuff"
Fighting games you can't take your hands off the keyboard either. Although matches are much shorter in those.
For multiple units, you have the standard turn based strategy games I guess. Also rogue type games. I guess RPG's where you get a team to fight like final fantasy but that's single player.
PvP in games like World of Warcraft is also non-stop action.
great games, took down a king, way to go innovation!
I would say the king regain his throne
@@luisperez3968 Exactly, king took down a usurper, not it's time for some proper nukework against some top non-korean zergs (let's be real, that one game with Serral on King's Cove is the best game ever, I need to see something like it again)
Maru: "I'm the King of Terran."
Inno: "Why be a King, when you can be a god?" 😎
I cant help but feel Jinair Greenwings forces some players to throw game so that they have the most chance to have finalists.
28:27: Gyuri: "The TvP Win Rate is like over 80% right now."
28:47: INnoVation: "Right now it looks pretty favorable for the Terran."
First non-Protoss player I've ever seen to openly admit the game's imbalance favoring his own race. o_O
The War Machine.
Innovation the smartest terran macro god..
Idk about that weak shoulder hand slide by inno 🤓😂 where are the firm handshakes?
You know...Covid...
There is a shit ton of downtime in MOBAs
long time inno terran god believer
Come on Tasteless, Quake is nothing like a battle royale
Bruh isn't this the coffin dance music
"People joke about Innovation being robotic and machine-like"
So how about them proxy-BCs, boys?
Sacrificial SCVs to HXD from inno
Age of empires 2 @tastosis
most likely Maru wasn't serious. I mean you don't see Maru throwing away 19 SCV kill leads. Killing 19 SCV then going late game is kinda weird. But nevertheless .... 3 BCs was cool to see.
inno went for 3ccs in the early game so altough he was punished for that he recovered super quickly, then i think maru had some missplays (went for the drop when there was several vikings f.e.). im looking foward to the semifinals if both get there, i think maru is overall a better player in the bo7.
@@felipz0 The viking thing should never have happened. 3ccs with 19 scvs dead, Maru would have all in-ed by then and take the game easily.
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Maru didint plan to lose, no one will risk play extra games, especially when Zest or Rag were in loser bracket. Just think, from point of view, Yee he throw game with INoVation to probably fight Zest(P)? (i know Zest Lose) u guys out of your mind :D INoVation win with better strategy. And im Happy to see INoVation :D my favorite terran Player :D
I disagree because he lost he s not facing his teammate Trap.
You're a dumbass lol.
I'm Korean, but I freely admit that Korean e-sports is NOTORIOUS for this shit... not just e-sports, but all forms of competition. It's a very much cultural thing because of how fucked up Korean society is in terms of education and lifestyle depending significantly on your comparison to others unlike here in America where you can fuck up but still make a living.
It's ALWAYS about the ultimate win, and nothing else matters.
@@timoh9491 yeah sure, thats why korean starcraft player were matchfixing
Do these commentators know what game theyre meant to be commentating?
Innovation is the best :)
Innovation damnnnnn
fifa fistbump lol
Biff ball reference: ua-cam.com/video/rpnxSuAUc2o/v-deo.html
Poor chinesse Maru-chan :v
JESUS CHRIST IS RETURNING, REPENT OF SIN AND CHANGE YOUR WAY OF LIVING
naw, ill stick to my sex, drugs and rock n roll. Actually,i think ill increase my sin cause of this stupid fucking post.Take your religious bullshit somewhere else.
A smile with RagnaroK like imbecile, plays exactly the same
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@@gonzalescabro ?
I'm struggling to comprehend what the fuck this is even trying to say
OK LET ME STOP YOU THERE TASTELESS!
In Quake you're just "holding down run"? XD
Jesus man. SC2 is an amazing game but it's 20% luck (maybe 30%) and you can only micro one unit at a time with 100% skill. Two great pro players can fight and one can "blindly" win within 4 minutes just because of a blind build choice or the other didn't scout. Luck is a huge factor.
Quake is just holding down run? XD
Talk about angles, speed, weight, inertia, positioning, timing, aiming, controling, forwarding, backing, thinking forward, map control .... nah fuck that, just hold down RUN.
Artosis knows. But seriously Tasteless, give it a rest man! SC2 is amazing and entertaining to watch but ... just holding down RUN? Quake eliminates LUCK more than any other video game ever except maybe two player computer chess. Give it a rest! XD
Oh and one can do exactly the same commands and outcome as a pro SC2 player without clicking 250 times a minute (SPAM). Look at Empire KAS. Click click click click is, as grubby says, WHY NOT SPAM? Every single move in Quake relates directly to the outcome of the game because it changes your position. SC2 .... no. Just, no. Please stop! XD
Come play me Tasteless and just hold down run. You will be fine!
lmao sc2 30% luck? fps toddler triggered
Anyone who doesn't know or agree with that is clearly not even able to understand my comment.
Explain exactly how Starcraft 2, even at a pro level, isn't 20-30% luck! I am all ears! XD
In Quake theoretically you have a second when you're dead. In starcraft theres always something to do. Even in the beginning when you watch your SCV's you can get ahead, by letting them mine more efficiently. Why can you micro only one unit efficiently? You can micro 2, 3. or 4 in groups right with 100 efficiency. And yes, Starcraft has an element of luck, because you don't have all the information needed to make a judgement, but quake has that too. You dont know where all the enemies are, you don;t know what guns they carry, so you can get unlucky.
@@Timmsh88 So you can micro (that is INDIVIDUALLY CONTROL) "groups" of units? And the AI doesn't do a thing? Without a command from you, the unit is motionless and inert and doesn't fire or defend?
Did you not read my comment about Empire KAS with his 70APM pro level play?
How about Grubby admitting hundreds of times that it is uneccessary to click 300 times a minute but it keeps one "warmed up"?
Show me a game of Quake III OSP at any division one or pro level play that ends in 4 minutes due to the player not knowing where the enemy is or what they are doing! XD
You clearly don't understand Quake III enough to even contest my comment. Now if someone who is pro level SC2 and pro level Quake would like to throw in, I'd be all ears.
And please .... when you're dead you don't "click" in Quake. That is a real argument from you? XD Before the respawn? Jesus christ man. LOL!
@@TheVanillatech that's what they are talking about (tasteless and artosis), 'you can't even put your shirt straight during a game'. Well, of course you can debate this, like you do. But in quake you do have a second to put your shirt straight, when you die.
If you need communication from your team mates, it means not all information is freely available. So yes luck is involved. I'm not here to argue about the percentages of luckz because that's straight out of your ass, but if you wish we can debate this.
Kas is a pro, yes. But definitely not a high pro, and even though his average clicks aren't high, he knows when he needs to click fast or be dead in seconds.