Cynoscephalae 197 BC - Macedonian Wars DOCUMENTARY
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Our animated historical documentary series on the Roman - Macedonian Wars continues with a video on the Third Macedonian War and the battle of Callinicus fought in 171 BC.
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Kings and Generals Roman legion, make my ancestors proud.
Dunno if I can hold a gladius but I got the spirit
I respect Alexander the great the might of Rome’s military Strategies is for me
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Favourite one so far and can you do a story on Leonidas I
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@@archenema6792 Was about to post the same thing.
"Uknown Roman Tribune" : The real MVP here.
Yes. And he pulled out with units of The Triarii, the best soldiers of Rome.
@@mikeh7917 Res ad Triarios rediit
Could've been a Tribune of the Plebs but the Romans probably erased it from their history because it would make the plebs too powerful. Thats just a theory tho.
It couldn't have been, it was illegal for a Tribune of the Plebs to leave Rome during their term iirc
As always.
"Southern Italy is a mess!"
Many Italians still think this.
Ling-Ling Gutierrez von Wallenstein IV now it's all of Italy
😂😂
@@sadvenom7826 Stil getting stupid and desparaging comments from the same countries that appeared on the world Arena quite recently
And I will stop here ... not to offend anyone. As they do..
@@enricomanno8434 pero non ha torto lol
watch your mouth when you speak of southern Italy the birthplace of the west
Phillip: "Yea I'm gonna win this battle"
Unnamed Roman Tribune: *"I'm about to end this man's whole career"*
Normally, I don`t give likes for this type of comments but today I˙m gonna make an exception.
Your videos are usually really well done, but this one... out of the park. I love how you guys did the breakdown of the opposing forces!
Petellius Cerialis Cheers Petellius :)
Your videos are excellent. I will be using them for homeschooling as a launching point in our history classes. You and your team do a great job!
Thank you for watching :)
That wasn't Alexander's Phalanx. Alexander's phalanx always had mixed troops to meet every king of situation and to guard its flanks.
Alexander knew the weaknesses of the phallanx and he was great at covering them. Phillip, although good commander, did not cover the weaknesses of the phallanx. Alexander of course was not only great in covering the weaknesses, but one thing that I have read was how well he managed and covered the known to him and existing since the beginning weaknesses. ( there is no perfect thing)
@@innosanto I believe he did after the conquest of Persia having met armies with different units in bactria and india. It was more Philip's phalanx developed to beat Greek hoplites and beat Persian troops. Macedon held firm to the phalanx while other Alexander successor states developed different formations to deal with the different unit types they met on their boarders while keeping strong phalanxes
Rex Adebayo The problem with this battle is that the Romans were an unmatched heavy infantry force on a pitched field battle, philip's 5000 strong supporting infantry stood no chance against the 36,000 heavy legionnaires. Even had the left flank broke, the massive remaining contingent of the Roman army would have overwhelmed the phalanx.
Alexander conquered half the globe because he had flexibility and momentum,
The Romans conquered twofold this because they outdid him.
@@thisaccountnameiscompletel8949 no most of the Alexanderian successor states kept the exact same military units and tactics mostly with a few new unit types thrown in. The phalanx had its day, the Roman's knew all they had to do was out flank them or draw them onto uneven terrain. The phalanx could only move forward.
I disagree, the macadonian army was very similar to the army of Alexander a core body of pikes supported by skirmishers and hoplite formations with cavalry on the wings, and they done there job on the right but the Roman manipular system was made for this kind of fighting on bad terrain that's why the Roman right was in formation and able to route the macadonian left because the phalanx is clunky and not good for fighting in rough terrain thus they were routed and the Romans collapsed on the macadonian right and won.
Dealing with Rome at this point of time is like messing with a hornet's nest.
Rome had just come off victory after 17 bloody years of the Second Punic war. Surely there was no shortage of soldiers and commanders with ample military experience. The Legions were in service all over the place... The Italian and Iberian peninsulas, North Africa, etc. I mean... They had to overcome Hannibal to win that war.
This wasn't the Roman Republic army from before that started conflicts with poor experience, needing time on campaign to even beproficient. At the time of the Macedonian Wars, it was the opposite.
There comes a point in time with rising empires of a period of unstoppable momentum. The Roman Republic after the Second Punic War was in that stage.
More like messing with a meat grinder. Hamburgers anyone?
Winning the second punic war was like winning WW2 for America,they stopped being a local power and launched their imperialistic ambitions. After being so close to be destroyed forever they had no choice but crush the surrounding kingdoms like a juggernaut. What don't kill it makes you stronger
I've been waiting for this battle for weeks! And all of you did magnificent work portraying the entire situation. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Brilliant as always! Love the more intuitive approach the Romans had about warfare. They were great at many things, which made them very adaptable.
This battle is one of my favorite battle in Roman Republic story!!! Well done!!!
Been waitin for this! Thanks for having this wonderful vid!
Will you do a video about the Battle of Corinth (146 BCE)?
Oh how history would be changed with a different outcome in this battle
In the sense that there would have been another one. Romans didn't sue for peace to Pyrrhus and Hannibal, they wouldn't had to Philip V.
@@neutronalchemist3241 agreed.
Macedon still wouldn’t survive rome always had that infinite legion cheat
@@Stratigoz the hellenistic states were 99.9% of the time fighting each other, making your conclusion a useless one. As for Rome, they just got out of a war that they had to endure for years and were still capable of jumping to the next one. Veteran legions were too tough to beat. The phalanx was almost obsolete therefore not as effective.
A Greek Epirot actually showed around the Romans to get to the flank in the first of the two battles actually. Anyway lots of stuff happened.
Such a shame that the name of that man was lost forever. His quick thinking led to the destruction of the Macedonian right.
I've just played "A Legionary's Life" and one of campaigns that you as a Legionary could enlist was the second Macedonian war. All the time watching this video I imagined my guy as a part of the Principes who managed to kill many and survive the war, eventually making it into Triarii during third punic war...
This video is a fucking masterpiece. Every single video always fascinates me.
Also, I literally closed my eyes when the slaughter of surrendering phalangites happened...
Even when playing a Legionary's life I couldn't get myself to kill them. I was a centurio prior and managed to stop my legionaries and save hundreds of phalangites... This is really sad to see when thousands of phalangites surrender and get slaughtered
Another extremely excellent video, Kings & Generals. It amazing how actually close Philip V was to winning that battle and possibly the war. Question is there going to be any more docs on any of the Crusades?
Thanks! Yep!
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Upper Egypt is South and Lower Egypt is north. Upper and lower refers to the altitude, and lower is closer to sea level.
“Balance of power” almost never works...
You mean, it works.
Riiiight up until it just doesn't.
It does.
But no one ever heard in news: "Today is yet another day, these countries are not at war with each other."
@@Toto-95 exactly, the balance of power works only in a specific region, when an outside force is applied to the gear, it crumbles, and always a force will be applied to it in some point.
XVictoryX well at that point it’s not really a balance because of the extra force anyway right?
@@TheScopeGlint that was exactly what i said, at the moment the extra force takes its place, the role gear crumbles, meaning, the balance is broken.
Too many ads? Doesn't matter, Macedonian wars. Thumbs up
So awesome you guys are getting into this. Nobody talks about how greek fell under roman influence. The clash between legion and phalanx must've been epic.
5:03 they couldn't be more wrong.
I just saw something like that under another comment.
You are kinda not right, considering that both Pergamon and Rhodes became Roman allies for quite some time and could continue to exist for I dont know how many years. The Antigonids and Seleucids would have taken their independence right then and there. They never really had a choice and did what they had to, to stay afloat.
I have no idea how Rhodes finaly fell to the romans, but Pergamon only became roman land, after the last king gifted it to them.
@@thezeitos469 Rhodes was annexed by Cassius as a punishment for their unwillingness to pick a side in his war against the 2nd Triumvirate. And after they won Marc Anthony and Octavian were like "well, it's Roman territory now anyway *shrug*"
great vídeo!!!! love it. this is now my favorite kings and generals vídeo. thank you very much. that presentation of the types of troops was beatifuly done
Thanks for watching!
I really have to drop down the Iron to watch this one...
I'm wondering if that 700 dead for Roman casualties is correct? How could they lose so little not only during the heavy skirmish but the advance of the enemy infantry? Historically it IS true, that most casualties occur when an army routes, but this just seems absurd.
Probably casualty and killed or two different meaning. One is dead the other probably injured to the point where they cant continue fighting.
The legion was retreating under pressure, but never broke the formation, while the phalanx could only advance slowly, so the Romans were suffering negligible losses.
In the subsequent battle of Pydna too the legion retreated at first, and the losses had been even lighter. Probably at Cynoscephalae much of the losses for the Romans had been in the initial clash between skirmishers.
I think these 700 were all legionnaires. The allied and skirmishers casually I believe were not taken into account for the 700 number.
Knew a fair number of details of this battle. But it was nice seeing what this channel had to say about it. And it was quite a lovely video. My thanks to those who made this video a reality.
Phalanx will always be the best unit in my Heart!!!
its a battle formation not a unit
@@ronank2432 No its a set of individuals equipped with set of item that make them distinct from other sets of individuals.
@@Armorius2199 No a phalanx is a rectangular mass military formation used by hoplites, sarissa pikemen, and even modern day riot control squads. So you can have a unit of hoplites in a phalanx formation etc.
@@kristiannicholson5893 And the Phalangites, a unit, made up of individual sarissa pikemen; using the phalanx formation; it's namesake.
IE: A battle unit. Which has been transliterated to be "phalanx" in many contexts correctly. And sometimes not.
@@adrianbundy3249 Phalangites is not a unit either, it's the plural form of phalanx and translates literally to: multiple phalanx. So multiple units of sarissa pikemen arranged into phalanx formation become phalangites. Multiple units of athenian hoplites arranged into phalanx formation also become phalangites.
A divided Greek world fighting amongst each other stood no chance against Rome. What a shame how Alexander's empire pretty much fractured upon his death.
As an Italian I love my Roman ancestors but it would have been cool to see a greek empire surviving in the east and then creating many hellenic kingdoms for modern day to see. Like how rome fell but later latin nations like italy, spain, france, portugal, romania were able to form. Like that, but in the east with Hellenistic nations.
The helenic tribes always fought against Macedonia
6:30 That seems like a strange decision by Antiochus. It seems to me that the Seleucids had the most to gain (by swallowing up Egypt) and the least to lose because Rome was so far away and would need to get through Macedon first, which he could intervene in or not as he wished - it's not like the Antigonids were actually their friends.
Phillip, although overall good manager, didn't cover the weaknesses of the Macedonian phallanx (which had always existed), something that Alexander was great at doing.
16:57 Wow, great visual. Must have been scary facing that
Nah.. just thow a couple of pila to make a gap ;)
Carthage and Macedon:exist*
Romans: I'm about to end this man's whole carrer
Will you continue Three kingdoms series?.I am still waiting for battle of Yiling 223 AD.Which was occured between Liu Bei and Lu Xun who led Wu forces againts them
It's a great day already!
Do the greco Italian war of 1940!!
Right on time, I was about to make tea. Now I can learn while enjoy a nice cup
If the Greeks were united like Mongols, the Romans wouldn't stand a chance. This is one of the lessons we learn from history's old proverb "Together we stand.United we fall...."
@@adamgorz9679 the Romans would have lost easily against a unified Hellenic Greek remember if it wasn't for the Greek allies the Romans would have lost earlier
Ahamedi Hamiyun
The Romans would have just returned with a larger army and win. Besides, with “what if” scenarios we can also say that if United Greece faced early Imperial Rome or Julius Caesar, they would have been steamrolled.
@@adamgorz9679 Philip and Alexander were Greeks as well
I love how from the very beginning Rome made big boy moves 👏🏿👏🏿
There needs to be a movie about this!
Remember this battle from Rome Total War :)
6:39
Man, I want this achievement too
Hannibal Romans nightmare,
Thanks king&General,
I was setting and waiting the video while popcorn is beside me,
"The battle was over, and the legion had triumphed over Alexander's phalanx."
Not likely. Alexander had mixed troops with his phalanx. He knew the weaknesses of the phalanx too well and brilliantly covered it’s weaknesses.
17:23 a preview of the infamous "Battle of INCEPTION" during the Macedonian Wars ^_^
They should have a couple extra pairs of eyes (from people who haven't worked on the vids) screen these vids before uploading them. I've caught other glitches before too. :p
@@AlphaCrucis well I just thought it was kind of funny, maybe on that one frame someone hit a button and it went all "kaleidoscope mode" for a second, but it's hardly anything to knock them for.
@@nobodyuknow2490 Yeah I know. It's nothing serious and I don't care personally. It just slightly detracts from the sense of professionalism that they have otherwise achieved.
can someone please name the soundtracks used in thsi video? especially the one in the beggining, its flipping marvelous
The tumb nail looks like a Macedonian sprang his knee
Lol true
Haha
Great video’s guys keep it up. You guy ever think about doing a video on the East Africa campaign from WWl?
i'm here bc someone in the time ghost army chat spoke of your channel.. i like it! like and subbed! hello from Cobourg Ontario Canada! i also like you say BC and AD not BCE or CE which is stupid
Fun fact: The Kushites were involved in assisting the Upper Egyptians in many of their revolts. Not sure if this was one of them, but if it was, then kinda sad this wasn't mentioned. It really highlights just how complex the Geopolitics of this period were, and that the Ptolmies weren't just contending with mediterannean peoples. Threats on every side.
I always love watching your videos but i'm not aware if there are going to be any more videos on the Dacian wars, are you planning on making any more?
Nice video guys 👍🏽
Amazing as usual! :)
That unnamed NCO is the MVP and really should have had his name recorded for history
Some friendly fire at 19:28
It was Philip,not Alexander and that's the difference that made phalanx invincible in the past.
I like how you use DEI unit models.
A Paper :-)
@@MalayArcher I love your Rome 2 cinematics, especially the one on the dacian wars. Are you part of the Kings and Generals team?
A Paper Indeed I’m and thanks!
20:00 not cool bro
I agree poor Macedonian soldiers :(
Leo. thesalian cavarly : i am a joke to you :(
Imagine being a legionary holding the line agaisnt the pikes and then seeing your allies charging them at the rear
Ohhh my its here part is here.
This was a huge day in warfare, the phalanx becomes obsolete. I'll bet alexander would've won this day.
"Upper Egypt" = up-river half. "Lower Egypt" = down-river half.
Well done Kings and Generals
Point of curiousity, Hannibal and Carthage are estimated to have killed between 250,000 to 400,000 Romans in the 2nd Punic War, during many battles Hannibal took NO PRISONERS. That is the world Rome lived in, it should not surprise to Philip V that he would be held to the same standard as his ally Hannibal had held the Romans.
Macrdonia is a greek city state
Not really
Greek kingdom. Not city state.
@Gafur Kadrioski whatever makes you sleep at night. Its just facts accept it
@Gafur Kadrioski lol. You are titos creation.
@Gafur Kadrioski sorry i dont speak bulgarian
The "C" is hard like a "K" The Latin "C" were pronounced hard. Like Catholic.
You mention a rebellion in Upper Egypt, but actually indicate it in Lower Egypt.
Somewhat counterintuitively Upper Egypt was to the south, and Lower Egypt was to the north, as the name came from the upper and lower section of the river Nile, as it flows from south to north.
The unnamed military tribune was Vorenus's great grandfather.
Hey guys I love your vids, I’d like to know what mods were used during this video. Thanks and keep up the good job
Hugo HOM divide et impera
that dying bell sound
Guys just to know Macedonias were GREEKS they spoke and took part at Olympic games so they are greeks not slavs like some on the coomment are saying
As the part 1 video shows, they were "barbarians" with a Greek ruling class.
macedonia today is slav. back then it was greek. even lower ukraine was greek, the bosporian kingdom.
@@snippletrap no? I can give you just examples why they are one of them is they SPOKE and WROTE in greek if u take a slavomakedonian he wont understand a word but if u take a greek he will be able to read and understand and my favourite thing is that ONLY GREEKS could take part in Olympic games and guess THEY DID(MACEDONIANS)
@@luftim yes very sad and instanbul was greek for 1500 years and so much more big cities
Battle location sounds like some kind of amphibious cenozoic ambush predator
The "Battle of Magnesia 190 BC Roman - Seleucid Syrian War DOCUMENTARY
" video is safe right? As in, not in danger of deletion even though there is some overlap with this series?
What is the song at 17:30 ?
Well done
any video using Rome 2 is a good video in my book
Are you guys planning on covering the Punic wars?
Down the line
12:13 So, an usual consular army...
I will always believe that the romans had the best tactics and commanders
A matter in numbers. Population in Italy were more than population in Hellenic
World. So if Phillip would won in this battle a new battle will come, until Rome is not defeat all of them.
I try to recreate this every time I play total war
Adrenaline lvl was quite high when that unknown Roman man did what he did
17:24
Can we get roman battles in order by dates?
Yooo where the third servile war at? Im still waiting
Can you make video about slovenian 10day war?
UA-cam and It's constant adverts suck !!
This was a civil Greek war which had as a winner the romans allies
the romans actually was invited
Source material? Is it Polybius?
Whats the music track playing at 14 minutes?
what sources are used to study these battles? so facscinating
Polybius wrote of the battle when many direct witnesses were still alive. Other sources are Livy and Plutarch.
I love this channel but if i could give a small amount of constructive criticism. Who ever is responsible for gathering the battle footage from total war games: like the one featured here 3:19 should consider spending more time to get better scenes. This is a glitchy horrid mess, and coming from someone who plays total war semi regularly. It could and should be better. To match the otherwise flawless quality this channel is known for. I would suggest avoiding pike on pike battles in the future because they very often result in situations like this.
11:11 I could speculate on what was said by Phillip or what was believed to have cause youths and older men to join voluntarily (maybe they were conscripted). I know I'm looking at it from hindsight, but it would be interesting to have POV from the citizens at the time. Not just on this vid but in general. Were citizens general savvy enough to know the politics of the day or where they just walking receptors waiting for info from there leaders. It would seem that in a crisis or emergency that ppl are more receptive of any form of info, propaganda or not. A more recent example similar would be the final days of WW2 with Hitler.
They were pretty much conscripted. Macedonia had a huge manpower shortage during these wars, and Philip had to lower the minimum recruitment age to 15, and increase the maximum to 55. Basically, anyone that could pick up a Sarissa was conscripted. Before the start of the Third Macedonian War, he also forcefully migrated Thracians into Macedonia to bolster his numbers to prepare for another war with Rome. There's a tablet in a museum in Thessaloniki that has the conscription order inscribed on it. This was a shitty time to be Macedonian all around.
@@thegreatnoldini I appreciate you reply. How was it that the citizens didn't give Philip the middle finger on the 3rd war? I assume that they knew none the wiser that Philip was a client state of Rome at this point. Or Did everyone have dreams of liberty from Rome? I suppose all citizens weren't citizens but subjects and still did what the king said.
You should use Rome Total War 1 music
13:19 love this music... anybody know the title?
I don’t know this 13:18 one but the other song used sometime later in video is “hold the gates by dream cave”
How can fog mask sound?
Everybody is a gangsta until Rome intervine. Sending 3 messages to 3 empires at once, this is how u gangsta!
"Don't make me intervene you guys!"
With which game did u illustrate the settings?
I wrote a screenplay on Alcibiades. Let’s team up.
The map is weird, why is the Dacian capital in Dardania?
Is the Game Total War Rome 2?