Haydn was considered the father of the symphony. Not only for its conception but also for the profusion of music of this type that he composed. The symphonies liveliness and elegance are relevant and his influence on other contemporary musicians is well known. Each symphony has its own musical characteristics and are truly musical masterpieces.
You’re quite right in everything you say about Haydn, and about his importance in developing the early symphony into what it became - a vehicle into which all later composers poured some of their most profound thoughts. However, the ‘Father of the Symphony’ title is ridiculous - there is more evidence for the existence of Father Christmas!
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Dear Elaine, thanks for your observation. I partially agree with you regarding ownership, but in fact I was referring to the fact that the classical symphony reached its most perfect form, in my opinion, after the 104 composed by Haydn. In fact, as you can see, this designation appears in the work Living Music by Keith Spence, pg.47. We all know that this type of music comes from a more or less long evolution of the music of other composers and other types of music that preceded Haydn. It is mentioned in Larousse Music Encyclopedia, pg 237 that “... Haydn the first great master of classical symphony and in many ways its architect...” . Hence the expressed consideration.
@@joselopes2293 By definition, a father *must* be involved at the conception - Haydn was not; the ‘Father of the Symphony’ appellation is as absurd as it is misleading. As just one example: Johann Stamitz died in 1757 having composed about 60 modern Classical symphonies - many including a Minuet, and some with clarinets. Haydn’s *first* symphony was written in 1757. Case Proven. That said, I agree with almost all of the rest of your reply above - where Haydn took the symphony is one of the reasons he is a genuine ‘A’ list composer. Spence’s book is a simplistic and out-dated outline about music generally - now over 40 years old - that might have some initial use for someone with little or no knowledge of Western classical music; it carries almost no scholarly authority whatsoever, as exemplified by the absurd comment about Haydn and the symphony. The book is available on-line for next to nothing £3 (or € $). Perhaps we should settle on ‘Foster-parent or Step-father of the Symphony’, or perhaps better, ‘Father *to* the Symphony’.
Достойное исполнение недооценённой 52-й симфонии Гайдна. Чувствуется "Буря и натиск".Браво дирижеру и коллективу! Кстати, 52-я и 53-я Симфонии в исполнении Марринера, да скрипичный концерт C-Dur, были первыми сочинениями Гайдна, с которыми я познакомился будучи студентом. Отличная музыка!!
@@ДмитрийГладченко-я3в Unfortunately, I cannot read your comment, but this may help: Johann Stamitz died in 1757 and had composed about 60 modern Classical symphonies by that date; Haydn wrote his FIRST symphony in 1757. Monn wrote a four movement symphony in D major dated 1740. Et cetera. Ergo, Haydn did not invent the symphony - no single composer did; it emerged in several different places - Italy, Mannheim, Vienna, in the hands of several different composers - Sammartini, J. Stamitz, Richter, Holzbauer, Fils, Wagenseil, Monn, et al.
Presumably you mean Haydn’s Symphony 78 - there’s no such thing as ‘Op 78’. In answer to your question, apart from both being in c minor (as is Symphony 95), 52 and 78 have almost nothing in common.
@@concerned1 The opening motif of Haydn 78 is very striking - more so than that of Haydn 52; most obviously Mozart clearly knew it as evidenced by the opening of his c minor piano concerto K491. Mozart was not alone in noting the remarkably angular and rhythmic opening of Haydn 78, and taking up the challenge of working with the idea.
Но, к сожалению, мессы Гайдна Гардинер исполняет легкомысленно, не вникая в материал. Гест, Марринер и Бернстайн, на мой взгляд, исполняют лучше. Сравните, например, с "Benedictus" в "Мессе времен войны" в исполнении Бернстайна, или в Heiligmesse B-dur в исполнении Геста. Или в Schopfungsmesse B-dur, в исполнении того же Геста. Или с мессой "In angustiis" d-moll в исполнении Марринера. Разница очевидна. Я уже не говорю об аутентичной манере!
Then haydn gives u an astonishing melody...my god.gbless u j haydn..you helped me so much wyour music..may I find peace in heaven
The 1st met simply astonishing..mood swings settling back down to complete and utter brillance
Profound, unsettling and funny at times. Only Haydn.
The second movement is out of this world! 😳
Thanks
My heart stutters when I hear haydn..brilliant melody and horns repeating melody
0:40 I mvmt
9:22 II mvmt
18:12 III mvmt
22:42 IV mvmt
Haydn was considered the father of the symphony. Not only for its conception but also for the profusion of music of this type that he composed. The symphonies liveliness and elegance are relevant and his influence on other contemporary musicians is well known. Each symphony has its own musical characteristics and are truly musical masterpieces.
You’re quite right in everything you say about Haydn, and about his importance in developing the early symphony into what it became - a vehicle into which all later composers poured some of their most profound thoughts.
However, the ‘Father of the Symphony’ title is ridiculous - there is more evidence for the existence of Father Christmas!
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Dear Elaine, thanks for your observation. I partially agree with you regarding ownership, but in fact I was referring to the fact that the classical symphony reached its most perfect form, in my opinion, after the 104 composed by Haydn. In fact, as you can see, this designation appears in the work Living Music by Keith Spence, pg.47. We all know that this type of music comes from a more or less long evolution of the music of other composers and other types of music that preceded Haydn. It is mentioned in Larousse Music Encyclopedia, pg 237 that “... Haydn the first great master of classical symphony and in many ways its architect...” . Hence the expressed consideration.
@@joselopes2293
By definition, a father *must* be involved at the conception - Haydn was not; the ‘Father of the Symphony’ appellation is as absurd as it is misleading.
As just one example: Johann Stamitz died in 1757 having composed about 60 modern Classical symphonies - many including a Minuet, and some with clarinets.
Haydn’s *first* symphony was written in 1757.
Case Proven.
That said, I agree with almost all of the rest of your reply above - where Haydn took the symphony is one of the reasons he is a genuine ‘A’ list composer.
Spence’s book is a simplistic and out-dated outline about music generally - now over 40 years old - that might have some initial use for someone with little or no knowledge of Western classical music; it carries almost no scholarly authority whatsoever, as exemplified by the absurd comment about Haydn and the symphony.
The book is available on-line for next to nothing £3 (or € $).
Perhaps we should settle on ‘Foster-parent or Step-father of the Symphony’, or perhaps better, ‘Father *to* the Symphony’.
Godfather?
Maybe we should give Haydn the title Great Master of the Symphony and forget about Father.
Just absolutely marvelous, amazing ensemble playing.
My favorite Haydn symphony, great performance! :)
Достойное исполнение недооценённой 52-й симфонии Гайдна. Чувствуется "Буря и натиск".Браво дирижеру и коллективу! Кстати, 52-я и 53-я Симфонии в исполнении Марринера, да скрипичный концерт C-Dur, были первыми сочинениями Гайдна, с которыми я познакомился будучи студентом. Отличная музыка!!
❤very beautiful 😍
thank you very beautiful .
Maestro Gardiner great
I. Thank you. BRAVO BRAVO
MAGNIFICO
Thanks!!
Concertmaster forgot to remove his mute prior to mvt. 3.
A violinist always knows when a camera faces them.
I thank Buddha for such a wonderful work.
Did Buddha compose it?
@@pepehaydn7039 such talent, I am grateful for buddha's greatest composition, Haydn Symphony 52
I also thank Pest.
Where am I?
Did Buddha also Write Bruckner's Fifth by the way? Just want to know.
7:00 I didn't know Justin Trudeau plays the violin.
"Haydn invented the symphony", let that thought sink in slowly when you think how good of a player or a composer you might be .
Если Вы действительно хороший игрок или композитор, то мыслям о Гайдне необязательно оседать. Они могут повысить вашу успешность.
Haydn did not invent the symphony.
Я про Фому, а мне в ответ про Ерёму.@@elaineblackhurst1509
@@ДмитрийГладченко-я3в
Unfortunately, I cannot read your comment, but this may help: Johann Stamitz died in 1757 and had composed about 60 modern Classical symphonies by that date; Haydn wrote his FIRST symphony in 1757.
Monn wrote a four movement symphony in D major dated 1740.
Et cetera.
Ergo, Haydn did not invent the symphony - no single composer did; it emerged in several different places - Italy, Mannheim, Vienna, in the hands of several different composers - Sammartini, J. Stamitz, Richter, Holzbauer, Fils, Wagenseil, Monn, et al.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 ВЫ пишете не по теме. То, с чем Вы не согласны, я и не утверждал. Возможно онлайн-переводчик был бы Вам подспорьем.
Would love to play 2nd horn, not 1st! Bravo C-alto
Is Francois Leleux the principal oboe ?
Here in this stunning performance yes indeed, but he is not a regular member of the SOBR
Now go listen to Symphony 78 and compare.
Presumably you mean Haydn’s Symphony 78 - there’s no such thing as ‘Op 78’.
In answer to your question, apart from both being in c minor (as is Symphony 95), 52 and 78 have almost nothing in common.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Oops. Yes, I meant Symphony. Thank you for pointing that out.
The opening to both bear a similarity, no?
@@concerned1
The opening motif of Haydn 78 is very striking - more so than that of Haydn 52; most obviously Mozart clearly knew it as evidenced by the opening of his c minor piano concerto K491.
Mozart was not alone in noting the remarkably angular and rhythmic opening of Haydn 78, and taking up the challenge of working with the idea.
22:22 Someone coughs (COVID)
Но, к сожалению, мессы Гайдна Гардинер исполняет легкомысленно, не вникая в материал. Гест, Марринер и Бернстайн, на мой взгляд, исполняют лучше. Сравните, например, с "Benedictus" в "Мессе времен войны" в исполнении Бернстайна, или в Heiligmesse B-dur в исполнении Геста. Или в Schopfungsmesse B-dur, в исполнении того же Геста. Или с мессой "In angustiis" d-moll в исполнении Марринера. Разница очевидна. Я уже не говорю об аутентичной манере!