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The X-Men are Marvel's premiere team of mutants, and being a mutant comes with the downside of being hated by pretty much everyone. But have you ever wondered why this is? Why does the public hate the X-Men while other superheroes are loved like celebrities? We're answering that question today with a little help from Philosophy Tube!
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Making a psychic bacteria the source of anti-mutant prejudice effectively removes blame from humanity. This takes away from the core themes and message of the X-Men. It makes mutant kind no longer analogous to real life minorities, which was originally the whole point of the comic.
The analogues to real life minorities came later. Wasn't the original point. That's definitely the point now, though.
You can always leave it out of your own headcanon.
There's a similar thing about nationalities. Everyone is American, the villains are French (Batroc the Leaper), Russian or German (All of Hydra). The only diverse people are the ones from Marvel's made-up countries (Madripoor, Latveria, Wakanda and maybe Hydra Island)
+Cosmic Mouse I mean in marvel
+Cosmic Mouse Marvel is an American company with its storys set in USA so of course their characrers are going to be from there,but if you actually bother to look it up Marvel has many non American superheros and they also have many American villains
The real question is: how the hell the public know which superhero got his power through mutant gene? How do people know Spiderman is not a mutant, but Iceman is?
Thats a good question. without scanning them for an x-gene people wouldn't know whether they are mutant or not.
Having that said, Spiderman still had quite a bad publicity.
Although he did eventually earn a good one due to his deeds, unlike the x-men who keeps on getting reasons to be hated on each and every time they are seemingly redeeming themselves publicly.
It's a very good question. Mutants joining the X-Men are going to be identified as mutants, but I've never read a comic where anyone speculates about Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man, She-Hulk, Moon Knight, etc... being one. Yet, if a mutant in street clothes exhibits special abilities, everyone starts screaming "mutant!"
Spiderman wants to wear a silly costume and help humans,Cool.Peter Parker wants to publicly use his powers and even try to work near regular folk?Get that unholy Mutie out of my sight!!Superheroes don't ask for rights but mutants do,that was the explanation cyclops gave once
Exactly...no matter what explanation you make up, in reality, Mutants work better in their own universe in which things worked out a little bit different. Otherwise, there are a ton of plot holes. How can anyone tell who is a Mutant and who isn't? Why should the Superhero community stand aside while Mutants are hunted? Why is one kind of power okay and another isn't?
But the thing is, most people don't know what made Spider-Man become Spider-Man. Its not like it is openly known that a radioactive spider bit him and he got those powers. The people just know that he has powers, not where he got them. He could just be another mutant in red and blue tights. That was a crucial part in an early X-Men comic called X-Men vs Spider-Man. They got a mutant alarm when Banshee went missing and he mentioned a spider-thing shortly before they lost connection with him. They followed the Signal and found Spider-Man, assumed that he was the mutant the alarm set off and fought him. In a different story of which I forgot the name of, Spidey pretended to be mutant, because mutants where celebrities in the story.
House of M I think
So why does the public in the Marvel Universe like Spider-Man so much ? He could be a Mutant after all.
+The Question That's my point.
I was also going to bring up the issue that most of these chance superpower occurrences are unknown to the public, so the argument of why they aren't treated poorly like mutants fails. However, as I was going over it, I realized that a lot of the superheroes whose origins aren't known still face a lot of hatred. I think the best examples to counter against each other would be Hulk and the fantastic four. The fantastic four's changing event was well known and the were well advertised as being good guys from the start and were one of the most beloved groups of heroes to the populace of marvel. The hulk, meanwhile, apparently just appeared after a nuclear explosion and started wrecking the place. It seems to me that heroes with unknown origins are far more likely to be mistrusted as opposed to heroes publicly known origins. Don't forget that spiderman had some serious negative press from the daily bugle, which often cited the problem of not being able to trust an unknown man in a mask to fight crime.
+Factoid Even if Hulk gets a lot of hatred by the public, his real identity is openly known, what happened to him, that he is working on something to cure himself, and that it isn't technically his fault. Thats why he gets a get-out-of-jail freecard.
Cyclops: "When the Avengers save the world, the people throw parades. When the X-Men do that, they throw rocks."
I've always pointed that out
I mean usually the X-Men save the world from other mutants, so even when the mutants are heroes they're also the menace, while other heroes save the world from skrulls, kang, doom, thanos...
@@blank68503 that's a lot of bullshit from stupid people
This is why they need to merge with the Xmen.
@@blank68503 I'll never forget how at the end of Judgement Day, people threw a parade for Nimrod and Orchis, mutants' biggest enemies right now. Even the X-Men's villains are more liked then they are.
Stan Lee once mentioned that the idea of the mutants came from having a completely different type of hero origin story. Not radioactive, spiderbite, chemical accident, science experiment, alien, ect.. just born with powers. And the X-Men were created.
Mary Sherrill perhaps that’s why except in rare Spider-Man specials the X-men seemed to live in their own marvel world
I heard that Stan Lee couldn't think anymore ways for people to get abilities.
Mutantkind was actually born due to genetic experiments with human genes by the Celestials. Then a catastrophe struck which caused the Celestials to abandon Earth, leaving humanity divided in mutantkind and ordinary humankind.
@@pendragon0905 that was because people couldnt just accept evolution as a powers source
@@definitelynotarnie8635
In my opinion, that origin story for the mutant race sounds a bit too farfetched; as much as I'd like to suspend my disbelief, I'm afraid I can't buy it that evolution causes certain humans to develop random superpowers that are very much unaffiliated with each other.
When a species evolves, there's more uniformity in the species; all members of a species will have specific physical and genetic characteristics which make that species unique. Mutants have no such uniformity with their species traits, especially since their powers have no uniformity.
That's why, in my opinion, it actually makes more sense that mutantkind arose as a result of Celestial bioengineering rather than natural evolution.
Humans aren't afraid of mutants because of grand reasons like being replaced as a species by mutants or anything else like that: it simply boils down to personal safety and security.
Due to mutants possessing extraordinary superpowers, from physical powers to energy-based powers, mutants, at least some of them, have the ability to inflict a great amount of harm, psychological, structural, or physical, to many people with little effort. Some examples would be like Trask's description of mutants' capabilities in the movie, Days of Future Past. Someone like Magneto is able to manipulate metal, and is effectively a one-man army capable of bringing whole cities to their knees. Someone like Mystique, on the other hand, could flawlessly pass for powerful leaders like the United States President, and could pass any kind of order she likes, from little things like revised law enforcement policies to large things like nuclear strikes against whole nations.
Other supers in the Marvel Universe don't face this kind of discrimination or fear because of their backgrounds. Spider-Man is feared by people due to his powers, but people largely are aware that Spider-Man attained his powers in a freak scientific accident, i.e. being bitten by a radioactive spider. The same goes for someone like the Hulk; people fear him, but they don't discriminate against him because he isn't a mutant. Bruce Banner is a victim of a gamma explosion. As for natural-born supers like Thor Odinson, people aren't quite so afraid of him because he's an Asgardian, a citizen of a far-off alien nation which used to be worshipped by humans, particularly the Norse, as guardians of the human race on Earth. Other natural-born supers like inhumans aren't really feared by humans because even though inhumans come from Earth, like humans and mutants, inhumans established their own country independent of other human countries, and so humans tend to not be at risk of harm from inhumans.
Mutants are natural-born supers who live directly among humans. Not only would mutants adapt the culture of human societies they live in, but also their personal behaviors. Mutants are culturally the same as humans, capable of either goodness or badness. However, when mutants commit acts of goodness or badness, their actions are amplified by the superpowers they possess. Human societies lack the kinds of rules and regulations that Asgardians or inhumans possess for supers. Furthermore, Asgardians and inhumans, along with others like them, possess supers in many aspects of their societies, including supers whose jobs is enforcing law and order. Human societies don't have those kinds of inherent advantages that super nations possess in order to enforce law and order upon people like mutants. Thus, in the X-Men stories, humans are pushed to develop mechanical entities, like the Sentinels, in order to enforce law and order upon mutants.
The part where humans fail consistently in governing mutants is that humans allow immoral or amoral behavior from humans towards mutants. This is where human nations could learn from societies like the inhuman kingdom of Attilan, the Kingdom of Asgard, or even alien nations, such as Xandar or the Kree Empire. Realistically speaking, special rules and policies would need to be implemented in order to integrate mutants into human society as fully as possible in order for humans and superhumans like mutants can coexist; it's only the appropriate thing to do in order to promote public security and personal safety for all their citizens, both human AND mutant.
Imo the bigger issue with mutants is accidents. If a human screams and punch in the middle of a nightmare it's no big deal. If a young cyclops has a nightmare it would probably be really bad for the neighborhood.
This was so fun man! Thanks!
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Wow that does answer all my questions😮
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the reason mutants will never be excepted is because the xmen books would become just another superhero team
I'm afraid that's true.......
I feel like it would be a nice change of pace to see society temporarily accept mutants or something like that.
Oh! You mean ACCEPTED!
I also think that major changes are rarely allowed to stick in comics. Every time mutants make progress something has to destroy it to make them feared again to maintain the status quo. It's also why Peter Parker is always imagined as eternal bad luck kid, Hulk never finds peace, etc. It is why other media like cartoons or movies can have better luck. 90s X-Men had progress that was allowed to stick. Senator Kelly realizing not all mutants were bad and when he became president he had a good working relationship with the X-Men and there more people willing to accept mutants and created more of split with how people viewed mutants.
Exactly and I would hate that. Magneto would see its likely unwise to eradicate a species that doesn't fear him.
The X-men are meant to be the super hero version of the worst luck they just keep finding the heartbreaking plus huge punch in the gut after a short taste of success and progress.
This is why I always felt the x-men/ mutants made more sense in their own separate universe. Not that that's something I'd want but it makes sense.
Likewise. I wish those separate-universe rumors from way back were true.
+Simon Colton (SCOLTON97) exactly...and as lame as that Sublime reason is to me, it's the only reason that makes any kind of logical sense.
Anther reason is because there are so many people apart of that universe that keeping up with them in addition to other heroes like Spiderman, Black Widow and Thor.
Honestly I can see why.
Me too.
Lots of over-thinking here, Nerdsync. It always felt the explanation was rather simple really.
From the human perspective, mutants are intrinsically not us. They are the perfect other, people who literally aren't human as we understand it. And they're genuinely dangerous! A young mutant experiences their powers long before they can control them. Rogue put her boyfriend in a coma as a great example, imagine what effect that will have on the normal community of people who also knew the boy? All of the people who knew him now know a kid who was put into a permanent coma because of a mutant.
And by mutant standards, Rogue's power isn't so dangerous. A lot of them have more minor powers, enough to make them stand out as strange and wrong but others might level buildings or leave scores of bodies in the wake of their first awakenings of power. Through no fault of their own, we know. But from the point of people in the setting, can you really be sure of that?
And it gets worse. Because anyone can be a mutant. A kid just wakes up one morning and suddenly he's a monster and the neighborhood is on fire. You can't see it coming and you can't always tell who is and isn't one. They're the perfect other but they're also often perfect infiltrators, the ones that aren't obvious. The guy you work with could be one, that man on the bus could be. That kid your little sister hangs out with could one day drain every fluid out of her body leaving her a lifeless husk entirely "by accident".
And the more powerful of them are several important things. Some are openly criminal, using their powers for their own gain. Some are strongly political, and openly and publically identify as being in opposition to humanity. But all of the most powerful are beyond the ability of government to meaningfully regulate. They don't answer to the law and the law can't make them.
Superheroes are great because they are rare special people who protect society. Super Villains are terrifying monsters who shake the very walls of civilisation and whom only Superheroes can hope to protect us against.
But Mutants? Mutants are unexploded bombs hidden amongst the regular population. They are terrorists and spies they could be everywhere and you can never know what they'll do. They could be at your kids school, or tampering with elections behind the scenes with their powers, or plotting a war against humanity. Or they could just be normal, frightened people with a condition they don't understand who you can't really blame for it but who could as a side effect of their nature and with no warning or way to prevent it kill people around them.
Mutants are genuinely terrifying. It's easy to forget this when your viewpoint is through a mutant superhero team and Professor Xavier's utopian philosophy. But if you can look past that, it's really quite easy to understand the paranoia, the fear and hatred.
It's two years later and I am only the 5th to like this comment? THE 5TH!!!! What the hell. This is the perfect answer. The completely sane answer and it fits human nature and makes it not so "Humans who hate mutants oh they must be evil." It gets to that community feeling humans naturally make and the violation. This is a great answer and even though it's been two years I agree fully.
Jonathan Hickman is the X-Men who finally explained that.
Honestly of you're mutant in the Marvel Universe, try to join a Team like the Avengers. Good publicity can go a long way.
@@jturner2577 No he didn't. Hickman's version explores only the logical genetic fear of humans becoming extinct as a result of the exponential birth of mutant children. Nowhere in his run has he explored mutant terrorism and I've only seen a single issue of New Mutants where the notion of the unexploded bomb has been tackled.
This was a far better answer than anything in this video. As much as I love the Xmen and the mutants as a concept, mutants are terrifying. In Ultimate X-men one kid suddenly activated his mutant powers and ended up killing his entire town. There are mutants with psychic powers that can make you kill yourself and they'll never be prosecuted because no one can prove it.
There hated because marvel doesn't own the movie rights
Yep
Lol
+TA31 _A that was I said before seeing this video 😹😹😹😹
Pretty much, I was about to type that.
Mutant lives matter
I feel like the hatred against mutants only works if they’re the only beings with powers. If you add other heroes and villains who are not mutants it makes things kinda confusing
yep
I disagree. If they’re the only super powered beings then people would have more of a right to fear them. It would make sense. Adding other superheroes to the mix makes someone who hates mutants have to justify why they hate them exclusively and not people like The Asgardians or Spider-Man. It ends up being more illogical and ignorant, because that’s exactly what bigotry is. Why make exceptions for specific superheroes above others? Specific races above others? Specific sexes above others? Specific sexualities above others? It doesn’t make any logical sense because bigotry just doesn’t. I feel like that aids the allegory rather than harms it.
@@wilkeskidd1610 Actually, I would say is the oposite. The cases you say have a pretty logical reason behind to exist.Wich is keeping one group dominant over another, economic advantage and etc. Even HItler directing hate towards jewish had a logic behind it. He created a problem that didn't exist and make people believe on it, just to he could use those people to his own schemes. X-men do not have any of those. A society that accepted the HULK as a superhero, or people who can literally blow up earth as icons, have no reason to fear mutants. Like, why the fantastic four is praised while x-men are not? Why the AVENGERS are praised when X-men are not? It makes no sense. Even if you argue that people hate x-men bacause some mutants are bad, then all people with greater power should be feared and hated since you have any type of vilains that would represent any super hero on the marvel universe.
@@wilkeskidd1610 nah if the other superpowered be9nfs exist it makes the ahte for mutants a lot more nonsensical cuz at that point humanity would take pride in the fact that in a universe of superbeings humanity has its own evolution born gene that allows them to stand above their galatic neighbours
@wilkeskidd161and the mutants shouldnt be used as a study on racims or bigotry simply because theur acteull threats when there not overly peacefull or turn the other cheek when met with violence, unlike minoritys irl you cant realy trust a mutant based on ,oh were both humans anyway cuz when he feels like it depending on his mutation he can just wipe out a small town or city
Philosophy tube guy looks like young Professor X lmao.
Fair
+ThePleb You're stupid.
Rip hair
Man, I wish real discrimination was actually based on a sentient bacteria/caped werewolf(?).
I used to think he was an evil Beast when I was younger.
I'd recommend reading the Sublime story arc! I think you'd be surprised by how Beast-like the bad guy actually is 😉
Who said it isn't? You don't know!
Discrimination is indeed a natural defensive survival mechanism. :D
You'd better believe it! Are you a fellow Ranter?
One reason why I think mutants are hated is just one simple word. Jealously. Humans see mutants with there extraordinary abilities and think "I cant have that, neither should you, you shouldn't exist" and in making these "cures" making mutants human. Its like taking something away from someone so that you can feel better about what you have.
I'd say the same reason a lot of Muslims are hated; the ones that make the news are almost always the bad ones, so the general public associates the word mutant with Magneto or Toad. Since they didn't do their homework on the X-Men, they assume the worst.
did you mean Mutants, you put Muslims. Freudian slip?
That...actually makes a lot of sense.
+Spike Joseph Allegory
there a majority in world population.
Finn Chapman ikr that’s really a good analogy to use if people see that a mexican kills tons of people they will immediately hate mexicans
Tbh if mutants reallys exsisted and my child was one i would love them no matter what and id actively seek out people like professsor x even though im human
That's what you say when you aren't taught from everyone close to you from childbirth that mutants are evil.
@@SomethingSmellsMichy good point. hate filled propaganda is poison
Well first of all, one of the biggest things the movies have changed in their interpretations (at least until Civil War) is that even the Avengers didn't always have a good standing with the rest of the world. The difference is people might disagree with Captain America, they may fear the Hulk, but they *hate* mutants.
I think the reason mutants are hated is because of the nature of their powers. For one thing, they are in-born and mostly manifest around puberty where people aren't exactly well balanced and mature and can be potentially ruinous to others and themselves.
Secondly mutants aren't superheroes by default, neither are they super villains either. Someone like Captain Marvel or Moon Knight is quantifiable, whatever you think of them, you know them by sight and you have a general idea of where they stand and what to expect. As pointed out, mutants are just born that way, and even if you're not particularly prejudiced against them there is a possibility that the person you are talking to or see walk down the street can switch the blood type of your internal organs by thinking about it, possibly without really intending to.
So mutants are, pardon the pun, an x factor. They aren't "superheroes" they are just any random person or group of people with a superhero's powers, and to some that's a more terrifying notion than the worst of Magneto's genocides. It's not even that "people fear what they don't understand." It's subtly different from that. People learn, they come to understand, and so they can stop being afraid.
It's more true to say that people fear, what they *can't* understand. Chance, uncertainty, chaos, randomness. And as powerful and wise as he is, even Xavier never knows exactly how a mutant's powers are going to manifest. He can only make it so that the mutant in question doesn't hurt anyone or themselves by giving them practical instruction and an ethical framework.
The reason the X-Men specifically are hated is because to most they are guilty by association. Sure people may not know how Spidey got his powers so to them he could be a mutant which might contribute to his bad rep, but the X-Men explicitly own the brand of being mutants so even with the costumes and the good deeds, people project their baggage of that x factor on to them.
And to all you giving the Doylist "because writers" answers, you're a bunch of killjoys.
The people hate mutants because they see Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants committing their evil acts and automatically assume that all mutants are like this. I think this is a good reflection on modern society, where the presidential nominee of a major political party stereotypes a racial group based on a small group. I think the X-Men comics and movies are a good way for people to see things from the perspective of a discriminated group, when the majority wouldn't ever know what that feels like because they are, well, the majority. If people could relate to the discriminated group then they could see past the stereotype.
But if Magneto had no motivation, would he say and do what he does in the first place?
Pretty sure Magneto and the Brotherhood appeared in response to human persecution.
#bothsides
magneto did not go bad until they talked about putting mutants in camps.
Great video.... but...
There is a flaw. You start the video automatically ASSUMING human can distinguish Mutants from enhanced humans. While some groups like the X-Men announce themselves as mutants, this does not mean that every mutant lets him/her self be known AS a mutant. Then there is he assumption that the mass population KNOWS about how certain characters such as Spider-Man got their powers. It's easy to say "We can stop or create another one" when you know how the first was created but that does not just give Spider-Man a pass from the general public. New Yorkers don't go "That guy? Spider-Man? He's not a mutant. He's cool."
There is also failing behind the "Sublime" story. While "Sublime" hated mutants because of the threat that they posed to itself, it says nothing about OTHER entities that exist that are immune to it. For example, in Days of Future Past, it's clear Sentinels are the "Ruling class" and they are immune to "Sublime" being non living matter so why did "Sublime" allow that to happen?
All and all great vid. Keep up the good work. Still putting in that request for a "Black Cat vs Catwoman: Who copied who" video.
Greetings from the future. It’s of interest to note that in the Ultimate Universe people constantly confuse enhanced humans like Spider-Man with Mutants all the time.
Probably at one point Spiderman encountered a Sentinel and was not detected to have the X-gene.
The answer to your question is found in an acronym used by many of my fellow comic readers PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity).
The term is used for the railroading of character behavior in order to fit the needs of the author or story. Character needs to be angry and confrontational? Now they are. Need the public to contradict their established reaction to superpowers? Suddenly you have government Super Soldier experiments, science induced monstrosities and bonding with alien matter being described as " the way God intended." Meanwhile, mutations brought about by natural evolution are seen as abominations.
I’ve always been annoyed with the lack of human-civilian allies. Why can’t mutants have friends and relatives who are normal humans but who want to help them?!
MARVELS (the graphic novel) really exposes the viewpoint of the common man on the mutants. I adice everyone to read it, it gave me a whole new apreciation of the marvel universe.
They're hated because of poor inconsistent writing.
If you really think about it, most mutants could say they got their powers from some random accident or its magic. Most people can't tell the difference.
+Joshua Giddens basically. pretend aliens gave them it.
the Tigra mini does this, Tigra's powers come from magic, biggots think she's a mutant, she doesn't care and just kicks their asses anyway
Yes
Pretty sure the persecution is the only consistent aspect since 1963.
To give a counter argument. Some mutants like Magneto can and have destroyed whole cities. I think it's kind of unfair to the humans to say the humans fear of mutants in unjustified. When every week Magneto or(Zorn) is blowing up a city. Mutants are not like superheroes. A super hero with powers is rare and to some degree can be controlled. You can lock up a guy with powers if he is evil and be reasonable sure another one will not come after him. But mutants are born so it's kinda a 50/50 chance that someone who has the power to blow up the world might just be evil. And a lot of the times evil mutants have been responsible for city to world ending events. Scarlet Witch house of M. Zorn destroying New York city,Magneto plan to reverse the rotation of earth. Every plan of Apocalypse,The Phoenix saga and so on. And that is not even taking into account the mutants who are good but can turn evil in a second and wipe out humanity. Like Professor X,Magneto,Scarlet Witch,Jean grey,Iceman the list could go on. To sum it up mutants are basically walking nukes who could be good or evil. And have sometimes have destroyed whole cities. You can't compare it to real life racism where everyone is human with the same abilities and strengths. For the record The xmen are my favorite group of characters and I hate racism. But what makes The X-men so interesting is the question of how do you control mutant when some have the power to control your mind or blow up a cities. How can you create a society where everyone feels safe with that inherently chaotic element.
Are we getting man forget the amount of stuff guys like Doctor doom destroyed just for the sake of your argument?
I think it can still be comparable to real life discrimination and still have reasonable fears with people with powers. I believe the majority of mutants mostly have non-destructive powers, while the ones like Magneto, Cyclops, etc. are a very small percent of what the X gene can do. I remember in the old 90s cartoon and even a bit in the movies background mutants have far less destructive powers or in some cases mutations that are minor or based on appearances without giving them super strength or durability. Not sure how true that is with modern X comics, but I think the idea was supposed be like mutants on a whole weren't supposed to be super humans, but the ones we see in X-Men and their enemies are the small percent with kick ass powers. Writers came in created more kick ass mutants with kick ass powers, so the fact got lost and now all of them are defined by as group with cool superpowers.
Jjop017 I think it's different because you don't know what power a mutant can be born with. You can get a magneto of a morph. And if you get a magneto there isn't anyone who can stop him from blowing up a city. Plus you have to take in the fact that while America freaked out over some people blowing up one building in real life. Some mutants have taking out a lot more to the point where they threaten the entire planet. No matter what happens in the world we can be pretty sure no one man will ever have the power to destroy a planet.
+rasheedqe The same can be said for humans, though.
Blake Harvey Not really good and evil humans will always be born but there will never be a guy who can shoot nukes from his eyes. If a evil human is born then he can be arrested or killed meaning he can be controlled. Not so with mutants. Like if Magneto walked in a police station and killed everyone what could the cops realistically do to stop him nothing. The question becomes how do you control a guy and force him to follow the law when he has the power to nuke earth.
How are Inhumans treated in comics? I only know that in MCU they are the substitute for mutants and they are in very similiar situation there.
Inhumans are generally treated about the same, bit have the benefit of living in their own secret society (first hidden on Earth, then the moon)... at least until Inhumanity. In addition, they're vastly more advanced than much of the Earth's population and so have little to fear in the way of violence.
polterghost their name alone makes it pretty clear that they're just discount X-men...
@Harper Smith they may have different lore, but narratively they're exactly the same as Mutants: a bunch of super-powered people who are discriminated against because of their nature, there's literally 0 reasons for mutants and inhumans to be separate things as they serve the same narrative function, add to that the fact that no one cares about the Inhumans cause Marvel didn't do anything worthwhile with them, and people are sick of them trying to act like they're the new Xmen when people only care about the real Xmen.
Also, everyone places stereotypes when traits become associated with each other in the viewer's eye. It doesn't mean there a bad person by thinking a certain way, it just makes them ignorant to the reality of the world. Anyone can be a hero and that was the drive to making characters like Miles, Kamala, Amadeus, etc.
People generally hate mutants because when they decide to throw a tantrum, thousands become endangered and/or killed, mass destruction occurs, and fear grows out of control. Let's make a list of crap to happen because of dangerous mutants: The Onslaught event, The Inferno event, Dark Phoenix Event, House of M world-changing event, the world domination under Cyclops and his Phoenix Force cronies, destructive survival of the fittest crusades organized by Apocalypse, and various other destruction and slaughter caused by extremist mutants like Magneto leaving cities and landmarks across the world in ruins and lots of dead people with pissed off loved ones. If you can live through all that and not hate or dislike mutants in general if only a little, then you're probably deluding yourself, just don't care about who dies or gets destroyed in comics as long as it's not people you like, or just have the patience that surpasses millions.
All the while, the X-Men change their partnerships like square dancers and no one can tell the "good mutants" from the "bad mutants" anymore, causing everyone to assume all mutants are ticking time bombs of death, destruction, and pain.They have no checks and no restrictions. They go where they please and do what they want.
Sure, mutants are just a subspecies of human. Still human beings with a gene that makes them different Not much different from being an albino, but they have no balances on what power they could have and the worst part is: You never know who will be one next. It could be some baby in Germany born with mind control powers or some kid in New York who can kill people just by being around them. Think about that, and say the hatred isn't a bit understandable. Horrible, but understandable.
EmptyMan000 I think at least some of the stories you mention was because of the humans taking it to far.
In the comics humans hate mutants because they don't want to admit they are better than them and fear they will be the dominant race which I have no problem with it at all.
yup that's the exact reason. And Magneto knows this.
But mutants are not another race.
Humans and mutants are able to interbreed and random human couples can have mutant children.
The real reason is because it is part of the x-men concept just like making banter is part of spider man and Deadpool.
Hence the sublime thing, it is desirable to the writers for mutants to be hated so they are.
But the problem is not all understand this.
nick holmgren But if mutants breed with humans it'll just create more mutants which just furthers human feelings of inadequacy and irrelevance.
You know lately I'm starting to understand Magneto's point of expanding the mutant population just not by world domination, sure the X-men time and time again proved the world that their heroes to the core, sometimes I consider them more heroes than even the like of the Avengers, Deadpool, Defenders or even the Fantastic Four because most of the time they are on the loosing side of public opinion yet they tactics as a team are greater than other superhero teams because they actually rely on each other as a unit.
Spider-man was actually hated or was at least polarizing to the citizens of New York for a really long time and, if my memory is correct, actually was confused for a mutant a couple of times including being checked out by the x-men to be ultimately rejected. I think the difference in perception isn't only between mutants and all other heroes, as characters like Spider-man and the Hulk prove by, for the most part, only having a niche popularity in the comics, like the x-men do among the more educated and enlightened people. The difference actually comes with the public image of accountability to regular humans.
People love Captain America. He worked with Shield, the Avengers, the government, all of which were created by, or in order to help regular people against massive threats. He was created by the people to protect the American way, and therefore has a very public and trusted image because regular people made him and were asking for him and to a certain extent, know him. The Fantastic Four stumbled upon their fantastic powers by trying to advance the field of science for the betterment of man-kind and have a very, perhaps the most, public image. Iron-man was a "hired bodyguard" for a long time. He was accountable to the regular guy, Tony Stark. Granted a super rich regular guy, but someone people saw as on the same playing field nonetheless and they knew who Tony Stark was, if not Iron-man.
When you look at heroes like the X-men, and to a somewhat lesser extent Spider-man and the Hulk, who have endured hatred by the majority of people, the common thread seems to be that they are accountable to no one but the interests that they have chosen (even if it is for the common good), they maintain a very private existence making it difficult for people to know who they really as a vigilante/costumed hero, and the powers that they got were natural or accidents which, unlike the Fantastic Four, did not seem to be earned through working for the benefit or mankind. People don't trust what isn't for them and all of these characters, especially mutants, are not for them. Spider-man doesn't work for people but rather answers to an ethical responsibility, do all the good that is in your power or you're indirectly doing harm, which people can't influence. The Hulk tries to be isolated but sometimes intervenes when he can't avoid someone being hurt, at least in the classic depiction of the character. The X-men work for the good of Mutant kind. Even if it's benefiting humanity, they are trying to mend relationships with humans for the goal of peaceful mutant-human coexistence. There aren't many mutants who are not concerned with homo-superior even when they're helping regular homo-sapiens. Of course, they should be concerned because, as a mutant, they are a reflection of the larger mutant community, but this very thought makes people see them as "not one of us" which means that the goals might not be mutually beneficial at some point in which regular people will have no control.
As a side note, the only reason Daredevil isn't hated is most likely because he operates in an area of great desperation that has run out of options and takes on a rampant, blatantly criminal element that isn't nearly as spectacular as Spider-man's. He takes on the people's problems. He's kind of like a Dirty Harry situation in Hell's kitchen. It's not ideal, it's not clean, but he saves lives and people know they need him. That, and his superpowers aren't obviously and outwardly spectacular.
Anyway, not that all of the stuff in the video doesn't factor into it but I think it all comes back to the old phrase of "People fear what they do not understand," but more so, they hate what's not theirs. People freak out over Black Lives Matter, a group that rose up out of a clear inequality and in response to systemic injustice. Most people have a fine time dealing with police, but a certain group with a vibrant and unique culture of their own, separate from the mainstream culture, are harmed by the status quo. "We're fine with the way it is now. Why do you hate police for protecting us?" People freak out over the LGBT community, which has a very separate culture that rarely crosses over into the mainstream. The majority doesn't own the culture, so they hate it. It's like when people playing devil's advocate, or just being contrarian or flat out racist, say that they should be able to use the N-word because it's been reclaimed by the community that it harmed and doesn't have the same meaning anymore. That community now owns that new meaning of the word and people outside it hate that they can't claim ownership of the culture of that community.
Jeez, that got out of hand. Sorry for the essay.
TL;DR People have no control/ownership/influence over something, even if it's good or unrelated to them, they'll hate it.
NERDSYNC hey can you do anything on the 3 jokers theory from DC rebirth?
yes!!!!!
I don't think he can do anything about that because that idea hasn't been expanded upon for 3 months since it came out on DC Rebirth which was in May. Scott likes have evidence or some from proof to talk about set things and so far there isn't any at this time. The idea is still fresh and new.
please do a video on this
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Yeah scot do it
The creation of mutants and the X-Men were inspired by the civil rights struggle. In the same way that other marvel titles reflect real world events (Captain America and WW2, Hulk and nuclear war, fantastic four and space travel etc). This is why the ideologies of Professor X and Magneto mirror those of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, albeit more radical in the case of Magneto. So humans hatred for mutants mirrors that of white hatred for black people during civil rights. Mutants are hated because they are generally powerful and unpredictable. Not easily controlled or understood. Today this idea has grown to include not just black people but all groups of oppressed or marginalized people.
Nice Statment
As a Disabled Black Man I know what the X Men Go Threw
Djuan Roberts Yes he does.
Darylifill Ifill how
You aren't hunted down and tortured
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@@zkincheloe1412 Yes, he is - google lynching 2018 and hopefully you'll change your mind
Does that philosopher guy remind anyone else of Jonathan Crane from batman begins?
I'll take that as a compliment: Cillian Murphy has killer cheekbones
He does look like scarecrow from BB. Also fun fact about BB, Zack Snyder said if he directed it, he would have batman raped in prison. I need to get out more
+Annoying Nerd wait, is that really true? If that's the case then what the fuck man!?!
Holy moly he does
omfg yes he does
As a comics outsider, I just think of a panel I saw of Spiderman telling them that people don't hate the X-Men for being mutants, but being a**holes.
Dunno how true that is, but the image of friendly neighborhood Spiderman swearing up a storm is pretty funny to me.
That was Spider-Man from Ultimate Marvel. And considering how the heroes of that universe act, he isn't wrong to call them that.
After the Krakoa era,this also applies to the mainline universe 😂.
F@ck the X-men,they got what's coming to them.
My idea? The reason why the X-Men, and therefore, mutantkind as a whole are hated while the Avengers are loved is because the Avengers have "good positions" in society in comparison to the X-Men
Allow me to set an example
Iron Man is a billionaire who is responsible for most of the Marvel universe’s fancy electronics like Apple does, while Cyclops is an orphan who lives on a boarding school because he really doesn’t have anywhere else to go
If Jeff Bezos was a mutant, no one would really mind because, after all, he’s the guy responsible for the biggest delivery service in the world that’s made our lives so much easier
In contrast, if an orphan was a mutant and had no one else to turn to, people would start questioning him if he really should have that much power and be left unsupervised. And that questioning can then turn into hatred
I’m not saying that’s exactly the case every time, but usually, most of the Avengers and other superhero groups are seen as respectable members of society even outside of their hero gigs
Black Widow and Hawkeye are both members of a respected government agency, Mr. Fantastic is a famous scientist and Human Torch also seems to be some sort of celebrity, and so on and so forth
Meanwhile, most of the X-Men’s members are orphans, a few have an illicit past as criminals, and even those who have respectable positions in society like Beast and Professor X himself have been downgraded, not only because they’re mutants, but because of society’s prejudices against people who look different or with handicaps
It's simple, mutants are hated because they aren't understood! Famous quote : People hate what they don't understand...
I understand why people are scared they have powers for all your worst fears. A shape shifter can kill and replace your friends a mind control can take away free will a reality warper can tell you everything was an illusion. Americans fear guns why is fearing superpowers more sensible
Agreed to you both. The others (say Avengers) have powers under our watch, gained powers themselves (by human, natural means. enforcing the power of science amd development of society and mutants are a possibility you can't avoid nor revert and you are at risk.), etc. Things we may have advantage or control over naturally. Things we can understand. a minority society is not understood and cliché fear of them rising.
Agreed to you both. The others (say Avengers) have powers under our watch, gained powers themselves (by human, natural means. enforcing the power of science amd development of society and mutants are a possibility you can't avoid nor revert and you are at risk.), etc. Things we may have advantage or control over naturally. Things we can understand. a minority society is not understood and cliché fear of them rising.
Yet. spiderman isn't very hated. few people hate him, a lot love him
+Undead Viking James Jona Jameson disagrees
Also another reason why mutants probably aren't liked is because before they came on the scene most superheros were only heroes because of things like chance. Anyone in the population could be bitten a radioactive spider or be tested for a super soldier serum or create a super robotic suit to obtain powers that many people dream of having. Basically there's still a chance for each individual to obtain these powers and become something great. However, with mutants, they're born "something great". Once you're born the x-gene you are a mutant. It's who you are, it didn't happen by chance, it didn't happen because they wanted it to happen, it didn't because someone else wanted it to happen. Mutants are born with powers because to put out simply, that's how they are born. There might be many people in the world that look up to other non-mutant or mutates superheros because they want to be like them and there is, no matter how small a chance of it, there is a possibility for these people to become like the heroes they admire but with a mutant no matter how much you want to be one you can't. Unlike mutates you can't become a mutant if you're not born one. You can never become one no matter how hard you try, you just weren't born that way. This could a reason why the people of the marvel universe love mutate superheros and hate mutant ones. Because they can become a mutate or "regular" superhero at any given point in their life but they could never become a mutant hero.
The Sublime explanation kinda feels like a buzzkill...
Much simpler answer: because Magneto got beat up by nazis as a kid, projected his hatred of all nazis onto all humans, and grew up to then act out his hatred under the banner of doing it for mutant-kind. And then humans project their hatred of Magneto onto all humans. Mutants fight back, proving the extremist humans "right". Humans fight back, proving the extremist mutants "right". It's about revenge. Petty, stupid, pointless, cyclical, hypocritical, and utterly-illogical-if-you-think-about-it-for-more-than-five-minutes revenge. It's easier for us to pretend that the writers are inconsistent or cynical than to admit that we really *are* that stupid, that fickle, and probably not worth saving.
I think they're hated because they don't have the capacity to be halted the way others do. Like Scott said, other heroes get powers from conditions and it's synthesized in one instance. I think the fact that mutants are naturally born to be stronger and better is what scares humanity.
+NerdSync
One possible explanation for the popularity of the X-Men and the "mutant" concept is that so many people feel like an outsider in some way, that it made them incredibly easy to identify with by paradoxically being unique and yet part of the masses at the same time. So... wouldn't that *also* explain the hatred for mutants? This is the sense of persecution many (if not most) of us feel; some of us just from time to time, some of us all the time. It is completely separate from whether or not we are actually being persecuted, mind you.
Really consider this in light of how the X-Men seemed to really target all that teenage angst. If the X-Men were allowed to truly grow up... then we'd see what happened after people got used to the idea. Like how eventually most of us grow up and realize the world doesn't revolve around us and we are neither the heroes nor villains of life.
despite sublime I've always thought it was envy. I assumed that humans were envious of these people that had abilities that have them a perceived edge. cue any time a mutant was being used for their powers by a normie. jealousy makes people think they hate which makes it easy to justify the hate by listing all the things you secretly envy.
While I couldn't say why people hated mutants at first, with how much power mutants have at their disposal just by being born, I could see why people are afraid. You have people who can run at the speed of light, you have people who can basically control every metal on Earth and lift entire ships out of the ocean like they are weightless, you have people that literally can't die because they are immortal or can heal from any wound and there are at least three mutants (Mad Jim Jaspers, Franklin Richards and a third guy) who can literally manipulate reality when ever they want. While I am not sure if people know about Mad Jim Jaspers, people should definitely be aware that Franklin Richards made Galactus his herald. Galactus, the guy who could very well destroy the planet when ever he wants and a mutant made him his bitch.
Mutants could have any number of devastating powers ranging from being able to nuke an entire town to creating an earthquake worse than any natural made one ever produced and mutants typically make up the strongest characters in Marvel. The only non mutant characters who are of a similar threat or bigger is Sentry and the Molecule Man because Sentry to my knowledge seems to have some reality warping powers of his own and is near unstoppable while Molecule Man pretty much controls the universe now with Reed, Sue and Franklin but mutants potentially could develop the power to blink the Earth out of existence and this mutant could be a kid, a scared, untrained, reckless kid who could kill everyone in a moments notice.
While mutants shouldn't be mistreated, there is an actual threat there when you have a mutant (Mad Jim Jaspers) who could warp reality on a multiversal scale and create a creature that killed every super powered being on the planet, even him.
I really hope one day someone(s) will come along with the natural ability to challenge what governments perceive as "power". They need to be reminded that not everything can be controlled, and some things don't like others who try to control them. The power to fight an entire nation would be a well-deserved slap-in-the-face reality check.
***** Mm, businesses are easy to deal with: If you have the money, you can make em do anything you want.
***** True, but are a little bit more easily swayed
One day somebody is gonna develop some nanotechnology that gives you superpowers....
Poke'mon Trainer Chri$$$ 303 Yeah, but the Gov. will just swoop in and swipe it for military application. No way in hell they'd let citizens have it
the people as group have the power to beat government.
The real answer is that anti-mutant bigotry was not a major theme of the X-Men comics until Chris Claremont played it up in the 1970s. During the late 1980s and early 1990s Marvel actually tried to play it down and turn the X-Men into a more typical superhero team (they fought aliens a lot). The X-Men cartoon and the first X-Men movie then made the bigotry a central and overriding theme again, and they could do this partly because other Marvel characters had little or no presence in their continuities (the X-Men would occasionally appear in the Spider-Man cartoon, but not vice versa). These were so popular that Marvel decided to play up the bigotry angle in the books again, especially in their Ultimate line of comics.
Hasn't Stan Lee gone on record as it being an allegory for the Civil Rights Movement?
Possibly. I've read some old X-Men comics from the 1960s and while there are stories about mutants being harassed as "freaks" I don't find the systematic persecution we see in later decades (Sentinels rounding up mutants, registration acts, etc.). It's a question of degree, really.
At some point, if you take the persecution angle too far then it would be better to split off the mutants from the rest of the Marvel U, like what has been done with the movies (due to film rights issues). Most people can't tell the difference between Spider-Man and Wolverine.
CountBifford You could chalk that up to evolution of story due to them later exploring different aspects but I have to go with Stan on this on. I will say that it is a major plot hole how no one can differentiate between a mutant or a mutate but they just accept that people like Hulk and Spider-Man aren't mutants.
Well I come from a time before this "Sublime" nonsense, so my thinking boiled down to this:
If Magneto hadn't broken the story of the existence of mutants by trying to do things like overthrow governments and steal nukes on behalf of a mutantkind that never asked him to
and
If Professor Xavier hadn't called mutants "Homo Superior" and formed an all-mutant militia instead of, say, setting up a school for super-powered youths that admitted people with unusual abilities regardless of whether they were born with them, or had a unexpected encounter with radioactive spiders or extradimensional hooha
Then people would not have looked at them and said "Bring me my brown pants!"
that true but the film version how the mutants were discover.
Yes they would have. Some people don't need an excuse to hate people that don't look or act the way they do.
@@JaelinBezel They would have, sure but not the near universal amount they seem to.
Humans are OK with thinking they can control them, mutants are natural which means they come about without human intervention which means humans do not control them which automatically leads to fear. And we know what Star Wars said about fear!...at least Yoda.
If they're the next stage in human evolution, why are their powers so uniquely different from each other? Shouldn't they all have the same powers rather than be going in a thousand different directions? Seems more like a series of freak abnormalities (something in the water?) than a natural progression.
It's thought all the plants and animals evolved from a single species. So evolution is going in thousands of directions anyway, just not to the extent of the comic book mutants. Also mutants in story might have been caused by government experiments just that they were all kept secret. They don't actually know why the mutants got their powers in the stories. Did Spider-man get powers from a genetically altered spider or would he have had them anyway? Why didn't gamma bomb kill Bruce Banner was he some kind of mutant? Some things in stories aren't completely explained.
Behind the Scenes Photos that's like saying if we're all the same species why we don't all have the same blood types
@@r.r815 There are only eight blood types, some are close enough to be compatible when mixed together. It's not the same as one person being a hairy, blue ape-like creature, another being able to turn into metal, another being able to control the weather (which seems more like magic than mutation, how do genes cause tornadoes?), and so on. Do any mutants share the exact same power set? Not counting ones created in a lab. Evolution is a long, gradual process, not one person suddenly having a unique, fully developed power. I'll excuse "comic logic" and just go along for the ride if something's not meant to be taken seriously, but X-Men wants to be taken seriously.
Four years, but it took a while to find my way back to this video.
I think there could be three factors that may cause hatred toward the mutants and they are jealousy, because the mutants are born with different powers, special abilities, or other attributes someone may wish they could possess, the lack of open-mindedness to get to know any mutant, i.e, judging them before knowing what an individual mutant is like and what they have gone through in their various lives (something the most ignorant of humankind are generally good at), and, as was mentioned fear. Fear of the unknown has probably always spawned hatred towards people who are different to those in seats of power.
People hate mutants simply because mutants are unpredictable and powerful to the point of being gods among men, and people would not feel safe standing near someone that can eradicate everyone he/she knows and loves without effort
Yeah but so can super heroes/Avengers
Even non mutants can eradicate people like Hulk
@@blazikenblizzard you do realize people hate the hulk right?
@@kongthornton780 Maybe but sometimes. They don't seem to mind when there is Avengers around taking care of that one. Even the kids had taken picture with a Hulk in Endgame well that was a joke tho.
Well, I certainly don't see Ironman or the Hulk breaking into a government facility that contains records and databases for the purpose of blowing it up. The X-Men are hated because their considered to be a Domestic Terrorist group, in fact all of the other X-teams aren't much better which leads the public to believe that the X-Men, X-Calibur, and the Brotherhood are all basically the same thing. They believe that if a person is a mutant then they're going to be a violent terrorist in some way or another and then the media in that world only goes to try and confirm that. The idea in the Marvel Universe is that Heroes work with the government and take down bad guys to protect people, but Mutants defy the government and only help people if it benefits themselves (as far as people are concerned). That means that Mutants are villains by default. What I don't understand is why Tony Stark isn't considered a Mutant. He builds stuff that's decades ahead of it's time and nobody points a finger at him and says that he must have a mutant cell that makes him super smart.
Why are they hated? Simple: "human" replacement theory.
i guess it was just the inability of people to become a member of the superior community by simply being born into the community( similar to being born rich) as it was said to spider woman " supers are lucky when they die they come back when common people die thats it they die" (sorry dont remember the comic) . On the other hand You can barge your way in to the super community(i.e the ability of not dying AKA survival) by being talented or getting rich or simply hard work which is attainable to all mortals( ex: justin hammer AKA titanium man ).
Also lets look at Hulk the reason people were afraid(or hated ) hulk when he first showed up was because they (might) have thought he is a mutant not a MUTATE. but then some one figured out (human + gamma = Hulk) then we saw many more hulks show up like she hulk, red hulk, red she hulk, abomb and many more .. it went on to things like the gamma pack/core and people suddenly understood that HULK is not a single status god but a level which can be reached easily .
While other heroes have had there share of such an (long) arc ex spider man ( spider woman , miles morales ,Cindy moon and others) or were humans to begin with (Iron man ,CAP america and others)similarly mortals can reach those levels ( Riri williams)
Although some one might talk about inhumans (yes i brought it up), Even they suffer violence and prejudice ( for example : all new all diffrent Xmen .. jean grey saw this and freaked out) but they are looked upon as both a threat and a PRODIGY club ( happened before in human history)
Also inhumans are a (somewhat) different species so they are not here to replace humans or a next step in evolution
Soooooo...the X-Men universe is basically exactly like America
Yes. Mutants are black people.
Yes. And professor x and magneto represent Martin Luther King and Malcolm X
Stan Lee, the creator of the Xmen, has said in hundred of interviews that he created them to address bigotry in any from. So it is not focusing on one particular group of people but any group can see their own narrative in it.
Feral Lion The X-Men came out during the Civil Rights era, so they were mostly based on black people.
Well, there was also the Jewish thing... And there's also a history with the native Americans and f.e. the generalization of Asian people during WWII. Looking at the X-Men lure and the type of discrimination, I'd say it's broader than the black people comparison, even though the existence of the civil rights movement did probably did push the idea.
I thought about it too. But this theory is wrong because: the commom people often doesn't know the "secret origin " of the super hero, thefore they can't say who is a mutant and who is not. For example: Spiderman, Daredevil, Miss Marvel, they could easily be mutants. The answer is: Marvel treats the mutant almost as if they were part of another marvel universe.
Compare superpowers to wealth. Most of the Avengers are people who have succeeded on their own merits. The mutants basically won the lottery. We admire those who have made something of themselves through hard work, but revile those who have gained without doing anything to earn it.
lol stupid MCU fanboy. The lottery? merit? Black Widow was part of a larger operation, Iron Man was born a genius and billionaire, Thor is literally a fucking god. The lottery, what are you talking about
FaggotAmerican Widow trained to be a super spy. Stark studied to be a super genius. They both got where they are based on the merit of their hard work. The X-Men were handed their powers. Thor is a member of an advanced alien race, so in that case his abilities are based on the merit of the work his civilization did to reach their advanced state. The X-Men however, they didn't do any work. They were just born that way. The equivalent of winning the genetic lotto.
Think of it like Donald Trump. Those who support him emphasize him as a skilled businessman who got where he is through hard work. Those who oppose him emphasize the fact that he built his empire on the back of his father's work. We like people who succeed, who gain wealth, or superpowers, through their own work. We dislike people who are simply handed their wealth or superpowers.
+cryofpaine
"handed" superpowers??
If you are truly MCU fanboy you would never understand the pain of unable to control your "mutation" as mutants don't exist in MCU.
Gambit was abandones by his biological parents simoly for his red irises. Nightcrawler lived his years of life under the heavy burden of accusation as devil offspring for his tail and blue overall. The Morlocks literally lived in the sewers because they can't get a proper job.
rob140892 I've collected every issue of X-Men since Magneto Rex, so yes, I'm familiar with the X-Men. But we're not talking about the point of view of the mutants. The question is, why does the general public within the Marvel universe hate mutants when they like other superheroes like the Avengers? So your response has nothing to do with the question. Yes, they suffer. That doesn't change the public's perception that these are people who have tremendous power simply handed to them through a genetic twist of fate.
Now, if you're arguing that people hate them because of the way some of them look, it's a fair point, and some do. However, for every Morlock or Nightcrawler, there's a Jean Grey or Scott Summers, a Kitty Pryde or a James Howlett. The "ordinary" looking ones. The ones that can pass themselves off as regular humans, who have no visible sign of being a mutant. Yes, there's the hatred of people who look different that corresponds to racism, which is one of the things they were originally meant to represent. But that doesn't explain the hatred of all mutants. If it's not just because they look different, and it's not just because they have powers (which I grant, both of those do play a factor for some of what they receive, but not all), what else is there?
Again, we come back to success (or powers) through work vs. success (or power) through dumb luck. The Steve Jobs-es and Larry Page-es, vs. the Paris Hilton-s and Donald Trump-s. We like people who make their own success, their own power, through hard work, and we dislike those who have their success, or power, handed to them.
+cryofpaine
We cannot forget that not every mutant want their powers.
at certain point, Marie/Rogue and Warren/Angel wished they were "normal" and turned to a scientist who claimed that he can disable mutant gene. Turned out that it was Apocalypse's manipulation, Rogue was lucky to leave early while Warren unknowingly accept the terms and became Apocalypse's slave as Archanel
I think any discussion of "why" in comics had to be limited to, or take specific account of, the particular group of writers involved. There is no consistency in comics, even in the most basic supposed facts(see historical explanations of Cyclops' powers, for example). Perhaps more than other most other fiction, consistency and world canon bows to narrative necessity at the drop of a writer's hat, so trying to make overall judgements drawing from different writer's interpretations has inherent flaws. It's also worth noting that the primary feature of comics is the need for conflict to escalate to 'comic book level' violence, so subtleties can be exaggerated or simply ignored. I think if you want to do more than have a bar discussion on 'What If' concepts, it is more important to look at a particular writer's work and their intents (which tend to not be very complex) - for example, mutants were created in the Marvel universe to display the civil rights issues that were in people's minds at the time. Therefore, the reason that people hate mutants is that people hated blacks. Perhaps the more telling question is, "why don't we know why people hate mutants in the narrative?" This to me points to the greater question of why so much of the USA is still unable and/or unwilling to grasp the institutional racism that is a fundamental part of our day to day lives.
A quote I encountered a lot either reading or watching X-men is that "People fear what they don't understand". This fits with the explanation that Philosophy Tube offers because when he talks about "the unruly" because people don't understand mutant power nor do they know the limitations of said powers. This challenges and scares the general population which is why, I personally think, people hate the X-Men, because they simply don't understand them
2:15 its in my nightmare
It was sloppy story telling from Marvel making mutant powers so random and typically activating in their teens, make them all potential living weapons, if it was just enhanced physical abilities would be one thing, but you have those that can read and wipe minds, shoot energy blast from their bodies or even create explosions. Gun at schools a problem? what about a kid that makes explosives of what he touches or shoots blasts from his eyes.
Making said people an oppressed minority is just about the worst thing to do.
@@prophecybydefault4708 and an Institute with a "Professor" that trains mostly orphans as child soldiers.
@@RichterX83 Professor X himself doesn't have the best judgement, I can admit that, but other than him, most mutants are just like any other person.
Making an entire system built to oppress those people is bound to backfire terribly.
I agree with the sloppy writing though, any person in real life would have the basic common sense not to discriminate against a group of people that could potentially wipe out an entire government overnight.
@@prophecybydefault4708 actually, human history has shown that we will wipe out groups that we consider threats before they can actually organize together. In lesser degree it is human nature to discriminate, is it right? Well, no In school I was bullied for being shy and other piers would descriminate others due to the more stupid reasons, unfortunately that is how children act. We all have experience our own struggles. My point goes into that if something like that occured in real life, teens suddenly develop this fantastic powers and schools, playgrounds start getting blasted by the powers they develop, as most their powers got triggered by stress. We wouldn't be supportive about them. Iit would really suck for many mutants that can't do those things. I recall a hairy mutant in the X-men cartoon his mutation was only physical, begging a lynch mob, that he didn't have any special powers. How many mutants severely harmed or killed someone when they develop their powers in the comics? Those are only the stories that get told.
@@prophecybydefault4708 Magneto's is awful also, the only timeline/ reality where he succeeds is one his daughter created due to severe PTSD.
The suggestion that a sentient bacteria is to blame for prejudice gives me certain hope for the future, as if people can be cured of their prejudice. To an extent it's evidently not true for the time being, but in time the idea and Professor X gives me hope that there's a future ahead in which we might openly speak of our social constructs as a means of helping each other out rather than repressing and vitctimizing "the others".
So basically its fear and xenophobia
WOW, I am so impressed on how well and beautifully you've explained it all! Well done, you are going so far in life xo
Magneto is always right. Cyclops turned more aggressive and rebel leader, and even Xavier sees that coexisting is possible, but by force, by becoming a nation, with the current Krakoa series. In the end, Magneto is right
My theory?
Simple
We don't understand much of the deeper things that make us different from each other (disabilities and the likes) & we can easily grow to fear what we do not understand...
And fear of course, as Yoda once said, leads to hate....
Fear makes us vulnerable and we hate to feel vulnerable, thus it is easy to come to hate what we fear....
Now if you do not mind, that was way too deep for me and I need a nap.
mutants are hated because it sells comics and makes it easier to make new villains
Scott's points make sense to me but I still don't know why non mutant heroes are loved by normal people in the comics. How do they make the distinction between some superheroes and mutants if they don't know their origin. We as the reader know that Spider-man was bitten by a radioactive spider or that Daredevil got radioactive waste in his eyes but the public doesn't know that. As far as they're concerned just because Spider-man says he's not a mutant or doesn't claim to be one, doesn't mean he isn't just lying. Like Captain America's origin is well known to the public but again could easily just be war timey propaganda spread by government officials to avoid a mutant american hero. We know this isn't the case but normal people in comics don't and their based hatred on such shallow and easily fabricated reasons confuses me.
Donald Trump is basically a real life Senator Kelly
Senator Kelly has more reasonable policies to deal with Mutants, though.
Haha so true
Senator Kelly was pregadice against humans but unlike Trump he wasn't a moron
+JayBenicle I mean against mutants lol I fucked up
The marvel citizens are dumbasses
Another reason that humans may hate mutants because humanity can use them as a common enemy to unite as a species. Like Bolivar Trask said in DOFP the movie, they can be a threat that can unite humanity as a species since they will have a common enemy to fight against. This case also works in terms of a natural disaster that can destroy the world or an alien invasion in certain movies; that's the only time humanity really comes together to fight back
Good point
"mutants came 100% through nature" ****COUGH CELESTIALS COUGH****
I asked this question on an earlier video! So glad to see it being addressed. Thanks Scott ^_^
How come some super heroes dont hate mutants when the bacteria dude made humans hate mutants?
maybe there will/consciousness is too strong to be controlled or something idk
Some do however, Johnny Storm is a noted bigot among the top tier heroes. That is also played on when he hypocritically dates Inhumans, Skrulls etc
But that's just a theory
a PHILOSOPHICAL theory!
Thanks for watching!
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I've been waiting for this video for so long. It has perplexed me
Scott fantastic job as always! Although "tales from the comments" and other concepts on your channel are enjoyable, it is always wonderful when you return to, and dissect, the socio-cultural, philosophical, and psychological aspects of comics. Keep it up!
Guy walks into a bar, pulls his beer over with his mind. How would people around him know how he got those powers? People hate mutant because the story requires it. There's no logical in-world explanation for it.
I thought you were going to say a joke -_-
Dear Scott, N.1 I think Apocalypse might have had something to do with mutants being feared. N.2 Deadpool's healing factor was derived from Wolverine's so he could NOT have been weapon 9 because wolverine is 10. and N.3 Your initials are SN and the name of your show in shortened form is them backwards (NS)
In my head canon, for some strange reason, the human brain evolved to inherently recognize the X gene, and have a primal sense of fear and hate towards it.
This way, any normal human can identify a mutant, this ability varies (some mutants are easily more recognizible) which explains why some mutants can go under the radar.
Great video! nerdsync is the best comic channel on youtube!
I'm only 4 minutes in and this already sound super applicable to racial tensions we see in the real world today
You would like the other half of the collab a lot then!
+Philosophy Tube I did! I ended up subscribing because of it
Great video Scott & co!
Because Fox own the film rights, not Marvel.
No joke. I'm digging the new Inhumans comic but I am rolling my eyes over how Marvel is using the X-Men phases like "people hate what they do not understand" when the 90's X cartoons have used that exact same dialogue.
Mutants can have god like powers, Overpowered Telekinesis. They can just rip and tear everything apart, take memories, and control people from miles away. And there are many mutants with these types of powers Aka Legion and Jean Gray.
I dont want to walk down the street then all of a sudden I just explode and my guts and blood is everywhere along with other people all because a little kid nearby had unlocked his mutant ability and its to dismantle anything in a 10 mile radius. Or be controlled by someone like Professor X. Or get warped into a different apocalyptic reality all because someone has reality powers or something. It would be terrible. I would be scared to live in a world with mutants. And there are millions and no telling how powerful most can be.
X-men was actually written as a metaphor for homophobia...
In the 60s nah
This is something that I always asked my myself. Thanks for the video Scott. 😃👍👌But then I have the question how the public should know that heroes like Hulk or Spider-Man aren't Mutants but people who had a bad day at the job or at school ?
why are the marvel executives trying to kill off the x men franchise and replace them the inhumans (it makes me resent the inhumans.).sad times
Marvel doesn't own the rights to the X-men anymore.
The movie rights so why kill the comics is not right the comics dont advertise the movies. The movies advertise the dook. Its asshat thinking and the inhumans are a poor substitute
They'll be allways better than Inhumans / "Nuhumans"/ Whateverhumans
ghouljoe x The reason is because Marvel cares TOO much about their movies. Plus Disney doesn't want to promote Fox's movies which is why they're absent from the a lot of Disney produced media but thank God that Marvel is again paying attention to their best Superhero team of all time.
Civil War and discrimination toward the Mutants is a good example that Ultron have been right in viewing humans as violent, greedy, and often cruel beings. Sure Ultron may be the villain of every Marvel stories and had to be stopped but his intentions were noble, he just wanted peace and he sought out what he considered the greatest threat to life on this planet and he wanted to destroy it, to bring order to the chaos, to usher in an age of peace. The problem is that the greatest threat to life on the planet itself was human existence.
Solution do the same thing as my hero academia
Wasn't Civil War (I) about governments and ordinary people freaking out about all superheroes, particularly those who go around masked? IIRC, the comics (which I haven't read) instituted a public registry of all people with superhuman powers; the movie (which I haven't seen) proposed that the Avengers and similar heroes submit to government oversight and pay for past crimes. The in-universe explanation might just be instinctive fear of the unknown and hatred of those who don't look/act/think like us. Out of universe, maybe Marvel finally realized that hating on just mutants made no sense.
BTW, in one of the DC universes (where I'm on more familiar ground), _The New Frontier_ posits that most of the Golden Age heroes disappeared because Cold War paranoia and general conformism made masked vigilantes a threat to public order, much as Philosophy Tube suggested. (Superman signed a loyalty oath, Wonder Woman operates mostly outside the U.S., and Batman ... is Batman.) Also, in the _Supergirl_ series Supergirl, hero of National City (most days), looks like a blonde cheerleader while Martian Manhunter, disguised and unwilling to use his powers, looks like a big green monster.
Absolutely incorrect. Humans hate mutants because the script writers wrote it that way. They wrote it that way because they wanted to provide a conflict in the series.
Well, obviously. But that's not a very fun conversation, is it? Looking at it that way, we might as well never discuss anything in fiction because the answer would always be "the writer wrote it that way".
+Samuel Shaw
You are correct of course. I was semi-trolling there. :) Sorry about that - I know that arguing about details is one of the joys of the hobby.
The particular reason the writers made mutants an oppressed minority was because they wanted to talk about bigotry in society. This was a very laudable motivation and really is an indication that comics are a valuable art form and aren't just "kids stuff."
Exactly. It is convenient and really doesn't make any sense. Suppose you are a regular human in the Marvel universe. Unless you know the origins of every super powered person, how do you know if they were born that way? How does the average person on the street know whether Spider-Man was born that way or was bitten by a radioactive spider or was the subject of some experiment? How does Joe Schmoe know that Wolverine wasn't bitten by a radioactive wolverine?
+David Messer Why do mutants identify as mutants. If people hate because of the way you got that power instead of the fact that you have that power, then why can't most mutants be like storm or Angel. They could just say that there powers are magic or the result of some freak accident. If most non-mutant avengers could pretend that all their powers and abilities could be from the x-gene and not from genetics, tech, skill, or sorcery. As long as you don't have a DNA test or get scanned with a mutant radar most people would believe you..
+TheBlockyBird
Yes, but I only do that because of the writers though. :)
Perhaps the reason mutants are separated from normal superheros is that they represent a group, a population; whereas superheros are thought of as individuals. Accountability in a situation would belong to that group instead of one person, think 'mutant breaks into oval office' in X2, while one superhero doing something wrong means all others are still safe. Captain America against Shield/Hydra in Winter Soldier doesn't imply that any other of the Avengers were against the government/organization (except Black Widow). The only real exception to this (not addressed in the movies) would be if superheros were in a group (Avengers, Justice Leauge, etc...) where people in that group would be held accountable for teammate's actions; although again not to the degree that one species (of super-powered beings) would hold.
Thanks Philosopher guy. I believed you more and more as you hit one SJW buzzword after another.
In academia they're called "technical terms"
Ironic, since SocialJusticeWarrior is a buzzword in itself
"Buzzword" is such a buzzword u guyz. I don't intend to marginalize the perpetual systemic victimization of minority identities, but the globalization of the status quo in society continues to objectify the disenfranchised, only to the extent of propagating diversity and equality through equitable statutes.
Seems like a WIN-WIN to me.
Translation of Maddock: I dont like this thing so you're racist
Maddock Emerson
Nice job not getting an incredibly obvious joke
about your last video (about the killing joke) i think that the thing that the joker stabs batmam with in the middle of the fight Contained some of the joker's venom and that is why batman laughs at the end
So, Trump challenges power as Mutants challenge power?
To be Honest I never was that big of a Fan from the X-Men. You know I always thought it was ridiculous to get the Power to Influence the Weather, bend reality/Posibility (I think that is Scarlet Witchs Power(Is she still a Mutant?)) or having a Doorway to another Dimensions in his Eyes wich blast Kinetic Energy(Lasers?) out of it, just because of the X-gene.
I think Wolverine or Beast or Mystique is okay because the X-gene can only Influence there own Body and nothing else but some Mutants are just ridiculuosly overpowered.
Still I am open minded and if I have misunderstood anything/everything you can always explain it to me I will try to understand.
PS Please forgive my terrible grammar and/or English.
PPS Love your Content Scott. Keep up this awesome work. You Rock!!
To quote Drake "Because Comics"
Something doesn't make sense, though, if in the Marvel comic universe there are secret identities and such, how would people know that superheroes like Spiderman, Captain America aren't mutants. I mean that's why they have secret identities so people won't know who they are, so public can't know if someone is a mutant or not. In my opinion, if feel that the writers didn't really think this through when creating the X-Men but hey great video Scott!
While being a marginal group, many mutants are inherently dangerous and this is why people in real life would fear them! I enjoyed your video, however, I believe the discussion has ignored this glaring reality of mutants if they exsisted in real life. Many mutants have powers that can be as dangerous as a firearm, if put into the wrong hands, and up to a nuclear bomb or worse. Jean Grey as the pheonix could destroy large communities and Storm could effectly cause a food crisis by manipulating the weather in agricultural areas. The mutant registry is seen as a bad thing, for good reason, but we in the U.S. are already having a debate as to whether firearms and the people that own them should be registered with the government. There would seem to be an overlap to the debating of registering mutants with potentially dangerous powers versus personal rights. In real life NSA spying versus personal privacy is also a major debate raging in the United States. Professor X and other mutants like him that can read and to some degree control peoples minds speaks to and even exceeds the fear of personal privacy intrusion. Does it not stand to reason that people would fear not only having their privacy violated, but having thier person literally controlled by another. This would also place the justice system in disarray. How would a judge or jury be able to determine if a person who committed a crime was not under the direct control of a mutant with mind powers? Could all heinous crimes not be put under the "Mind Control" defense? In summation, obviously mutants are a creation of marvel and are subject to the writers of that particular comic series. However, I would posit that in a real life situation that maybe humans have more of reason to be wary of or outright afraid of mutants and are not just biggots. I do not think that I could be in favor of a mutant registration or outright eugenics due to rights violations. However, mutants are born with potential weapons and would not a debate on registration or outright ban, such as the one on firearms in the U.S., inevitably come up. Maybe instead of just thorwing out the prejorative of biggot toward the humans in the Xmen comics people should acually recongnize their and the mutants concerns. Put yourself in the humans shoes and see which side your values, morals, and concerns would line up.
I personally believe the whole mess boils down to fear - have you ever noticed how in the comics the people who hate mutants are a big angry mob but anyone who's okay with mutants usually stands alone? Fear, unfortunately, is infectious (even without a sentient bacterium involved) and people like to think in terms of 'Us versus Them', so if your group believes another group is a threat then chances are you buy into this either because you believe your group or you fear becoming rejected if you argue against this. Having the courage to stand up for your own opinion is sadly something both the Marvel Universe and the real world gravely lack.