KhanStopMe I had relatives and “helpful strangers” tell myself and others not to get a job until after university, because then I’d give up on graduating a 4 year. But that isnt a pancea for everyone, just because someone gets an apprenticeship doesn’t stop them from furthering their life or career. Its 2017, and its fair to say we have a generation of lifelong learners who for the most part want to be upwardly mobile and are constantly curious and developing themselves. We live to work, not work to live, and apprenticeships are not mutually exclusive in that regard.
KhanStopMe I agree the uk needs to get its act together-we used to be good with apprenticeships. Saying that up here in Scotland we are hoping to create 27,000 modern apprenticeship places in 17/18, whether that's optimistic or not remains to be seen but there's a focus at the least Edit-as for the stigmatisation of apprenticeships around my area that doesn't seem to be a big problem but I think that's due to the presence of the oil sector which employs so many different types of workers who then explain how their jobs really work
Not helped when some UK apprenticeships are menial labour disguised as such in order to pay below minimum wage. Supermarket shelf stackers and fish and chip shop fryers are not jobs which should have apprenticeships. Only a *skilled* job which can't be fully learned in a few hours should qualify.
Ralphie Raccoon are you sure they are classed as apprenticeships and dealt with like other apprenticeships? I’m a baker by trade and so went through an apprenticeship but I had to stop after years working there due to epilepsy-i then started working at a supermarket and both experiences were vastly different in the way they trained you Edit-the supermarket certainly didn’t claim to be offering an apprenticeship in any shape or form
Apparently Germans also consider a trade qualification to be just as prestigious as a university degree. And will display the certificates with pride in the same way. In English-speaking countries there's currently a great deal of snobbery surrounding academia, which we probably need to get over.
Sebastian Mustermann I find it ridiculous how many people campaign for free university before they'll campaign for free vocational training. We need more plumbers, we do not need more literature graduates. The whole thing just smacks of elitism to me.
I'm from Austria, not Germany, but I guess in this context that's close enough. I wouldn't say they are "just as prestigious", but they are certainly very respected. It also depends on the field and the level. After being an apprentice (Lehrling), you are a craftsman (Geselle). If you continue your education in that field, you become a master craftsman (Meister). My grandfather was a master mechanic. I don't think he had a high school diploma. However, dozens and dozens of people were his apprentices, which led to him being widely known in the town and very well respected. On the other hand, hair dresser crafts(wo)men don't enjoy the same social standard. A doctor of medicine or someone who finished an engineering degree will also be more respected than someone who studied sociology. So, "just as prestigious" is taking it too far I think. It always depends on the level and the field.
Andy Brice I think free community college would be a good start. A lot of CCs offer certification programs for different trades. I've seen people have more financial success as a trained electrician than someone with a 4-year degree in math. But someone like me, for example, needs a bachelor's degree in English literature in order to pursue a teaching credential.
"I find it ridiculous how many people campaign for free university before they'll campaign for free vocational training." Both? Both! Both is good. Seriously though, if Germany can afford to provide free education then the US should be too.
Reason why domestic manufacturing is falling behind is because employers in the last 20 years is because 1: Expensive 4 year degrees are seen as a bare minimum for any job, offloading the education cost to students who cant always afford it. 2. Employers don’t want to pay for those degrees, and cant always offset the cost of it. 3. They want to treat them as subcontractors, leading to this gig economy and no security. Not to mention theres a bias against younger people entering this workforce, they’re seen as lazy because they’re expected to have a job straight out of high school, and be financially stable by their late 20s. I strongly support the apprenticeship programs, it fills the skill gap, and give at risk youth an alternate path to gainful employment for those who can’t always qualify for a 4 year education program straight out of high school. Plus I want more US employment.I’m tired of bargain basement products made overseas with a junk 90 day warranty. Made in USA products typically signify ‘above average’ quality, in comparison to the imported goods being dumped on the market, and all of us have purchased items that turned to junk over time. Its been a race to the top and the bottom, and those of us stuck in the middle are left out. We as consumers want nice things that lasts longer, and I expect that consumers will be willing to pay items made in America with a slight premium if they get a decent warranty out of it. Manufacturers will then realize that filling warranties and providing support is cheaper if the facilities are on the same continent, IMHO.
saberline152 German Engineering is great! But for the most part when theres complaints about overseas products in the US, its about “sweatshop level” manufacturing.
Novusod Wouldn’t use ‘inferior’, maybe lower grade, but the market has pulled towards extremely low quality, and extreme high end German imports. Middle range goods for the middle class, produced by middle class workers. Not too much to ask, right? As much as I’d love a German made car, cost of ownership would be far too much.
In Germany, many people become an apprentice after leaving school. For jobs in technology, health and education, there are colleges that offer courses.
I am an apprentice in a paper mill in and there is exactly one school in germany. have to drive 400km to get there and live for 14 weeks per year for 3 years. at least I get paid for that lol. gernsbach sucks
The US is finally starting to look abroad to other models of running manufacturing and society in general. Good! It's not a perfect model but countries like Germany seem to be balancing it pretty well. Germany is one of the largest exporters in the world despite having 1/4 of the US population and 1/15 of the Chinese population. It's no surprise that German companies like BMW have been eager to do that in the Carolinas.
The German model has only continued to exist because of the EU and Euro, their competitiveness is based on the hopes that other EU countries do poorly because that reduces the value of the Euro and makes German trade goods easier to sell. That doesn't happen in the US as poor states receive federal handouts every year which they don't have to pay back, that is billions and billions of dollars where in the EU the loans sent out are being paid in interest. Their economy is entirely based on hoping countries like Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal have economic hardship and German state actors have been caught in being directly involved in corruption in those countries.
* that's not wholly true. An undervalued currency isn't really a major factor. It's important, but German human capital is really high making it a desirable place for companies to produce things there. The currency issue should in theory equal out anyways; an undervalued currency will be a bad deal for German buyers of just about anything even if it helps businesses get more exports out.
I work in manufacturing. At 26 I started out at $32 an hour with nothing more then a high school diploma. 2 years later I make $35.65 an hour with overtime I've made $117,000 this year with full benefits for my family over 35k in my 401k and a strong union. All that without a single penny in student loans. I absolutely love getting into manufacturing. Best thing I've ever done.
Same brother but I’m at 26 an hour last year was at 23 an hour but my factory gives a raise every year no cap as long as your not a lead. Raise depends on the worker. I got a high raise an Apple Watch and a 2k bonus because of good attendance. I don’t regret working at a factory. I take pride in my work because of the pay.
deadeaded I'm not American, but it seems to be more culture than "politicians are corrupt". Not sure about the gun laws, but most people (whole world) would agree that governors, senators and congressmen shouldn't be able to keep the money that was donated to their campaign, and also that there shouldn't be a pay wall to run for office... In most western countries (not sure if every, but at least in UK and northern Europe) there is a set sum of money each party can spend on the election and that sum is not in the billions (Mitt Romney spent 3 billions $?), but more in the thousands per commune/region. If you removed the amount each politician/ party could get and they couldn't keep the money (they themselves) you probably would end up with a system that rewards good policy and you'd get the politicians who mind their constituents and not their pockets...
The bees are probably the largest bipartisan issue currently, it doesn't matter if your 5 years old or a racist living in the middle of a forest, everyone is scared.
Take money out of politics and you'll see more issues bipartisan. Take an example from the most recent tax cuts to the 1%, which passed the house and senate because all congressmen and women thought that they HAD TO pass it to please their campaign donors despite its devastating impact to the poor and middle class. Sad!
Synerrox เ funnily enough, yeah lol, Back in the 70's, it was actually possible to put yourself through college or trade school on part time pay, kinda crazy to think about. Of course this isn't the truth anymore, though baby boomers think it is for some reason
While it was mostly restricted to crafts, and was under the control of the specific guilds, apprenticeships have already been done in the Middle Ages and you were not allowed to work in these fields without having done your apprenticeship.
Thomas Owusu-Abayie No, it's been pretty normal for centuries to get apprenticed to learn a job. Where do you think the tradition for carpenters to wander around the country came from?
i'm german and when i grew up i thought an apprenticeship system was a valid option everywhere in the world lol it definitely is an amazing alternative to college degrees and to build a long-lasting highly qualified workforce
One positive effect that wasn't noted is the effect on the workers who teach the apprentices. Anyone who has taught will acknowledge that nothing forces you to learn a subject inside and out like teaching it.
I found this video really interesting. I didn't know the meaning of apprenticeship so i watched this video without shock. But when i googled the translation in dutch... americans are a strange people.. apprenticeships are the norm here. Almost everybody does them. Some companies see them as cheap labor which is bad. But most don't. I didn't even know there where countries that didn't use this model.
Just got off a 12 hour shift at the steel mill and it's a good living for the most part. I'm a multi-craft maintenance tech that went through a 4 year technical apprenticeship at Mercedes Benz and it is a lot of work but will pay off.
Being from Germany, I can confidently say, that we have the exact same problem concerning non-university level education. Less and less people want to do it. Maybe it's better than in the US, but still, it a real issue!
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Weird, im literally ditching college next semester and joining an apprenticeship before this video was upload. You guys are adding fuel to the fire thanks.
Apprenticeship is rising in France again too ! I'm an apprentice myself and that's the best thing that happend to me professionaly/educationnaly wise :D
This is fantastic and about time. We have the same approach in Switzerland as in Germany and although I never did an apprenticeship myself (degrees in BA & Accounting) I think their great. I have apprentices in my accounting dept. on a 3 - 6 month rotation, and it is great to see them develop. If you do this all over the US, in the next decade, you will see the advantages in productivity, wage growth, less unnecessary student dept, etc. etc.
As a person who works in manufacturing, I would love to see more and more companies do this. Problem is, there are more small manufacturing companies than large ones. I am a Lab lead at an aerospace company. We have an incredible turnover rate. Reason being is pay and work conditions. My company has many MANY customers including our own government. Even a company like the one I work at sees managers, directors and CEOs as more important that the entry level guy. Reason being is that a lot of our workers are for a temp agency which means our workers are disposable. If our government would step up and mandate all manufacturing companies to offer an apprenticeship it would help remove the stigma of being in manufacturing. Workers would be more qualified for the type of job they do and pay would increase with the quality of work that comes with a quality employee.
The graph at 2:18 is misleading. It does not take into affect inflation. For example if we take the cost 2500 $ in 1981 and compare this to the average price of 5000 in 2001 the cost has decreased by about 100$.
A lot of companies tend to look for people with years of experience for entry level, but most college graduates don’t have that experience. It is one of those things where how is one supposed to get experience if every position requires experience. I believe that company culture really helps in terms of experience. I used to work as a Manufacturing Engineer for couple of small Manufacturing in smallish cities in Nevada. Basically everyone kind of does their own thing, there is no such thing as “engineering” training, and there is an emphasis on getting the job done. I mean I did learn a lot in terms of stuff like driving a forklift, running presses, and packaging parts, but not so much in “engineering.” After years of working at those companies, I decided to pursue a masters in Engineering which I’m currently doing while doing a co-op in metro Detroit area for a fairly large Automotive company. So far I like it and I’ve probably have gained more experience in my less than 1 year here than all my years as a Manufacturing Engineer combined. The reasons are that the company puts an emphasis on learning rather than just getting the job done, there so many knowledgeable Engineers to learn from, emphasis on school and seminars, and in a large Automotive company; with so many vehicle components; Engineers have work together on projects.
Yes, automation demands quality vocational training and a workforce that has undergone that. A very hard sell to many of our fellow Americans but I am currently also growing up in Germany and it’s seen as one of the reasons for the strong, continuously large industrial economy in Germany. Was a great video with good explanations but I can see how it’s a hard sell to many Americans, especially parents. Greetings! P.S.: Shift Change is so competitive to Borders, like it’s with it at the top of your best series list. Really enjoy it!
I remember when I was with AmerCore and I placed in a High School, and my job was to help students get ready for college. So what I did is get to know students I was working with first and then I would find out what was best for them. And I remember they were a few who wasn't the best in school but they weren't dumb they were just bored. So I use to tell them about these apprenticeships programs in area and they really enjoyed it. Thank Vox for spending the word.
In Switzerland, apprenticeships are a very neat option. You go at the office, or at the factory or anywhere to practice your job with an enterprise 3-4 days a week and you go to professional school 1-2 days a week for 3-4 years. At the end you get a certificate and it's a totally normal option along college or other forms of high education.
Fun fact: After WWII as part of rebuilding a Germany in an image that suited us, we told them how to design higher ed (the University system with state-employee Professors like gods was seen as a serious flaw). The model suggested was Bennington College which requires - surprise! - that you do internships and apprenticeships as part of your education. So really the German model is just the Bennington model. Oh, and here's some footage that backs me up: ua-cam.com/video/G2haArkqGIw/v-deo.html
Good craftsmanship is one of the keys to success for a business. Apprenticeship programs are the closest civilians come to what the military calls "Total Immersion Training." I believe apprentices are the craftsmen of the future, no matter the job description. Learning under a journeyman or supervisor, one on one or one on two, can get our workforce back on level ground with the rest of the planet.
In Colombia, you find Sena. It's been successful for decades, and it prepares apprentices in many professional areas, always according to the fields where more professionals are required. It's great to see that the US is now considering that possibility in a large scale process.
Elijah wood its funny when i went to work in a government desk job for a national service program in my university, there were quite a good amount of people younger than me who were coming from working in a fast food place like mcdonalds lol
The problem with these apprenticeship programs is that they are really expensive for the companies. In Germany in high skilled fields like lens production it can cost up to multiple hundred thousands of euros to educate them. But these workers are not replaceable as they have a very specific set of skills and most will stick to their companies for their lifetime. While this gives a high gain in the long run, if a company is aiming for short term profits they won't offer such an expensive apprenticeship.
i Think the guy in the middle put it best; companies are looking for proficient workers and are offering $10 /hour it's not a labor shortage its a wage shortage. if i can make $13 an hour at a best buy, or $15 at a target, why on earth would i go work at a factory for minimum wage.
It doesn’t take a degree to run a machine in a factory. Years of experience as well as basic (paid), on the job training are really all factories should need to require
In Switzerland we have got a similar system. After the official 9 years of school you can either take the academic route and go to college and then university or you can make an apprenticeship. College or apprenticeship both take 4 years and during the apprenticeship you go to work for 3 days and to school for 2 days. Thanks to this system more young people choose to make an apprenticeship than to go to college, especially because after the apprenticeship you can still go to University if you want. Here, the apprenticeship is not regarded as a lower qualification and a lot of companys like and support this system. With education-experts world wide this system is regarded as one of the best, but sadly its not very wide spread. I really want to make it clear that this system, if implemented right, is not a loss in educational quality. Every Swiss student at least can speak 3 different languages and in the international tests we also score quite good in other subjects like math or science. So I can unreservedly recommend it especially to out American and British friends. Great Video by the way
Honestly, while I agree and support apprenticeship. People my age are just... unmotivated. I am 23 and an AMT w/ an AS degree. I worked hard to get where I was at because I had a strong reason to keep pushing myself to get to the point where I am at now. Which is working on commercial jets. Last time I talk to my friend, he was still working at a Starbucks. Which mind you isn't so bad, but when I asked him if he knew anyone else besides me who has a good job, he simply said that I was the only one so far. There are still people out who still want more for nothing because they were given everything. Perhaps if the US have more apprenticeship, people would be more interested in working. I am happly working in the aviation world. Its a fun job. I take my job seriously to insure people get to their destination safely.
Retraining the existing workforce using an apprenticeship-style system seems like a decent idea to me, but the apprenticeship system can also work well as an inexpensive initial training system for large amounts of young people if done correctly. I live in Switzerland and have done a 4 year apprenticeship as a mechanical design engineer in the high tech industry directly after high school. After working for 1 year, i have spent 3 years getting my bachelor degree in mechanical engineering with a focus on product development and mechatronics. Also, my dad worked as a mentor for physics laboratory assistant apprentices for 12 years. In my opinion, a decent apprenticeship easily qualifies you to work in the in the current high tech industry, while getting a more scientific education afterwards should pretty much makes you future proof to any automation change. To me, this way makes way more sense than getting your first real work experience after getting your theoretical masters degree. Such a degree title might make it easier to be hired initially, but it is very expensive and the quality of a decent practical education usually shows quite quickly, since every high tech product still needs to be put into reality. I assume there is also a large of people, who figure out that they've studied for a job, that they don't particularly like. However, for an apprenticeship program to work well over an entire economy, there need to be standards set and enforced as well as motivated educators in the system, who are willing to put time and effort into educating the next generation instead of chasing a high hierarchical position. When looking at the US from the outside, these 2 points to me seem like the main points that can break the system.
I am one of the few IT apprentices that I know of. I work for a German Company in the US and my position is internally a vocational training position but marketed as an intership. I love my job and can see how this model will impact the US economy.
It is sad, you didnt mention switzerland. Here every second between 16 and 19 years makes an apprenticeship. It is supportet by the state and we can go to school twice a week and work three days.
"When Americans think of apprenticeships, they often see this old-timey training for blue-collar work." Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, as long as the working conditions are good, the pay is generous, and the collective-bargaining rights are firmly in place.
4:57 Greece is at the top. No wonder why, I've already booked my ticket to abroad for a better financial and work life. I'm also taking my BSc and MSc with me...
Trying to get an apprenticeship in machining here in the states is pretty hit and miss. It almost comes down to who you know. You also have to have a great resume for it. It's also where you live. Even a well known city could be like a dry riverbed.
I'm a Refinery Operator apprentice on a 3yr program. 9months left. Top rate is $45(plus bonuses and OT) when I complete it. My coworkers(also apprentices) consist of former engineers, former teachers, highschool dropouts, etc.. My highschool was pushing college on everyone, counselors got a kickback for sending students to certain schools. No one came to speak to us about apprenticeships or tradres. I have friends with master degrees and B.A's, none of which make anywhere close to the 110-130k/yr my senior coworkers are making.
In my country, switzerland, you choose between highschool and apprenticeship after middle school (there also other schools, but those two are the main one). Highschool prepares ypu for university and provides a high theoretical knowledge that is rather broad and apprenticeship is partly learning your new job and partly school which supports what you are doing jobwise. I think this is much more effective, because many students who only go through theoretical institutions such as universities, don't have much practical knowledge. Also, many jobs require a specialized kind of knowledge you don't get with broad schools like high school,wheras apprenticeship gives you the kind of knowledge you need in your job. There is always the possibility of someone with a apprenticeship to go to university, you just need to make a seperate school. Apprenticeship is very good for teens who already know what their interests are (you can also change it). Thry also get paid, though not much. The apprenticeship is for about 3 years.
Kanai even Tokyo If that PC is not connected to the internet it really doesn't matter what it runs so long as it runs. If it is connected to the internet it is guarranteed to be running spyware/bots/viruses and probably only 1% effective at its job.
XP running PC's are very common in the industrial arena since the very specialized (and very expensive) SW was written to run on XP. The cost to migrate the software to newer versions of windows is usually prohibitive. The problem is not the application but the specialized device drivers used to connect to various manufacturing systems the software controls. If you remember Apple CEO was mocked when he visited the Apple production lines in China and the control computers (although they were Macs) were running Windows
Lenard, that's really a fictitiously-based generalization. In fact, you're _more_ likely to catch intrusions on an old OS as the binaries are all old, and very few, if any, new ones come out.
You forget: not every machine needs windows 10 technology. Most only require the bare minimum to run, and windows XP works JUST FINE. I use a 60,000 psi waterjet machine here at my job that's a few years old and runs windows XP because it is simple to use and doesn't cram a ton of programs into it if not needed. As long as there is not an internet connection, they just need a system that runs. There's likely plenty of machinery with older OS's than XP that still work just fine because they are easy to fix and program and work no matter what I like seeing that almost NOWHERE do any machinery run Apple OS. The first thing they told me when I entered college and grad school (both for engineering) is to get yourself a PC and that a Mac might be useful, but nowhere near as good as a PC in running most engineering or industrial software. Mac (also can be PC) is useful for digital design, art, etc
I took an apprenticeship after several attempts at college. I got paid poorly for the first 2 years but now 5 years into my career i get paid mostly 10000 a year more than most of my friends who went to college
I mean the existence of apprenticeships as the main skill gaining route is one of the major factors that's drawn me towards tattoo artistry. Like I always wanted to do art, but after I couldn't do more than 1 year of college because I was broke and in debt, I started considering other career paths. And I thought "hey, I've always LOVED tattoos, and the only reason I'd never considered it before was because I didn't think I'd be a good enough artist, but I am now........ and apprenticeships are free............... yep. I'm doing that." Although my health tanked in the last year when I was trying to just build my portfolio, so now idk if I can do that, my hands aren't as steady as they used to be................ sigh. (Btw the college program was "pre-animation and illustration" and was a one year program that led into either the animation program or the illustration and concept art program. Both highly in demand industry jobs. So I wasn't like..... going to ~art school~ or whatever. I went to a regular college that had degrees in a shitton of subjects from math to science to art to cooking to... you get the idea.)
As a german seeing other countries not having this system, it seems absurd. But yeah US! Go on! It works, it's a great way to get young people a good foundation for their careers..
Apprenticeships are popular in Germany because that country is still a manufacturing powerhouse, unlike the US. And again, unlike the US, strong independent workers' unions are a commonplace in Germany. More importantly, the unions don't just fight for workers' right, they also participate in decisions how the company should be developed and run. American companies are mostly interested in minimizing short term costs and increasing profits. In that way of thinking, there is no need for apprenticeships, unions, workers' rights, or even stable employment.
There really isn't an oversaturation of Bachelor's degrees, but an oversaturation of Bachelor's degree holders that got limited experience during their education and didn't take networking seriously at all. As Vox said, a degree is viewed as a golden ticket, but it's not. Finding work just coming out of college is a lot harder than anyone prepares grads for. Once you have 5 years under your belt, you're good, but you have to work really hard at keeping your skills up, networking, and taking anything that comes along (even if that means volunteering at a non-profit somewhere that you can get experience).
... and help to create an oversaturation of skilled labor. There is a hard limit on how many highly skilled people will be needed in the future. When one guy can fix the robot that fixes the robots that fix the robotic assembly line he will be the only guy needed to build that whole fleet of cars. If hundreds of guys can do that job but only 2 are needed in the whole society the owners of the factory will joyfully offer minimum wage and the lucky 2 will be gratefull for it while the rest starve.
As a Swiss army knife high school student. (studied industrial sciences; High amounts of mathematics, electricity, mechanical engineering and other sciences.) I can tell you I am very wanted on the job market. After dropping out of uni I managed, with a 4 year old HS degree, to get 15 job interviews in two weeks. 80% of those were positive. Meaning I could either start or get a second interview. the pay grade was that of a bachelor degree civil servant, some offers had a company car included.
Csilent Apprenticeships aren't full-time jobs. It's job-training with monetary compensation since it's more of an internship through a technical school
Synerrox เ people in America are a strange breed that are used to getting paid pennies to work because they see it as well at least we aren't getting paid as little as people in Brazil or Mexico even though I can't afford to live on my own or do anything with the 7.25 minimum wage or the 4 something "tipped" minimum wage even with my last job that was ten an hour it felt like I was barely getting anything
It's very similar in Russia. Except the quality of education, which is often quite low. It costs much, much less though, and you can learn much if you really try. It's just that people get passing grades sometimes when they don't actually learn anything, which creates hoards if incompetents. A lot of jobs do not require university-level education, while being necessary, but often people go get a degree in just anything, as long as it's a university degree. I find that often it's the best to get a vocational school/college degree, and then improve on your basic professional education with either worthy professional experience and/or further education. Because when you understand your profession better in general, your are better qualified to choose narrower path.
I'm always looking for such apprenticeship program to join because i believe that ultimately the reason behind many people pursue for education is a connection for a full-time job which can pay them well and have them living a decent life.
My company in the UK offered a set of apprenticeships that give work for about 16 weeks during 2 years. You have to do your regular work during that time and only get paid for your current job. Large restructuring and downsizing is run every year, so I could end up having worked extra for a year and not get anything for it apart from a few weeks' worth of apprenticeship experience which is practically useless. I chose to fund my own qualification and I'm taking it over several weekends. I am lucky to be able to afford it already having a non-starter level job.
THANK YOU VOX! This labour shortage is the solution to the youth unemployment crisis, and the divisions found in America. A happy and wealthy society is a united one, and we that unity now more than ever. The last thing we need is the economy to collapse at 30-40% employment in 30 years.
Nowadays, Most young people entering the workforce don’t want jobs that are largely seen as “icky.” (Like a garbage worker, snow plow driver, septic worker or whatever other “icky job” may come to mind.) Employers are struggling to fill these positions. You still run the chance of becoming successful if you run a business that deals with waste disposal as you would by pursuing an 8 year degree and becoming a surgeon. The freedom to create and mold into shape your own destiny is an ideal that is uniquely American. I’ll end with this. You don’t need a degree to become successful. You just need the will and the strength to believe in yourself and push yourself to become the best you can be. Follow OPPORTUNITIES. Have FAITH. Be STRONG. Now that... is something they don’t teach, at a university.
Here in Germany not everything is great because of apprenticeships. Often you do not get paid, but it counts as part of your college course. Now there is a law, that you have to get minimum wage but often you have to do an apprenticeship even after finishing your exam, so you get paid way to little for your qualification.
In Latvia you also need to have few month practice working in a company/organization where you prove your skills you have learned at higher education in order to finish it otherwise you won't get diploma. So higher education institutions have contracts with companies to cooperate regarding this - what we call - practice. And after practice you give a report about it and it's judged by independent commission that is made of entrepreneurs, professors, government institution managers. Mostly companies hire those students who performed best during their practice. If not - than at least student has some record in his CV regarding job experience in order to compete at labor market.
I am in Italy and I've earned this apprenticeship program, on this web agency where I'm learning how to develop web apps while even getting paid, even though the pay is ridiculously low, but after all I have the chance of a real deal job
This one video made me impressed. If this Vox producer makes a few more like this, I can see her joining the few producers that I'm always eager to watch, which includes Joss Fong and Phil Edwards. Recently I've added Estelle Caswell and Johnny Harris to my short list, their recent works have been consistently great.
If anyone is looking for a good apprentice program look up the apprentice school or as.edu . They have a really good paid apprenticeship with the option to advance through the company. We build nuclear powered warship so its a really good gig with little skills needed
This is pretty common for large corporations. If you prove yourself, a lot of large companies will pay for you to get a degree that will help you grow within the company.
You need to change corporate culture. In the two places where I have worked, management kept firing experienced workers to pay 50/25 cents LESS per hour. They want multitasking go getters who will do the load of two ppl for minimum wage. They also run the machines beyond capacity. And they get piss when the final product gets returned because is below standards...and their solution is to hire more management and give themselves bigger bonuses. Then everybody complains why other countries are increasing their productivity.
you make it sound great but there is issues such as 'employers can pay apprentices less than usual employees' so for example they are in my experience unlikely to get a job offer after apprenticeship because why hire them at usual rate when you can hire another apprentice for low wage?
Well you have already spent significant resources in raising the apprentices and they are already familiar with the machines. I don't think it is too bad tho, it qualifies as work experience.
of course you won´t pay someone in training the same as someone who has completed that training years ago. It´s simple logic. And the companies spend lot of money on their apprentices in the process so they are very interested in producing high quality workers that will continue working at that company for along time. Simply hiring more apprentices instead of the ones that finished doesn´t make sense because it would cost them more to pay for a single newbies training than to have a skilled worker earning more money. I did an internship at a precision mechanics company that is one of the best in Germany and they really invest a lot of money (they had for example just bought a 500K fraser just for training purposes) and time into them because they want to continue growing as a company and produce excellent results. In the whole time that company has existed (~40 years) they only had one apprentice that didn´t continue working for them after finishing training and that one person declined because he wanted to study at a university. All the while their apprentices have some of the best exam results in the country on average. The bottomline: they invest a lot and don´t pay them as much as regular workers during training but they in turn provide great training for which the trainee does not have to pay and a very good chance at a full time job afterward.
When you go to your high school councilor and they tell you the placement rate (the percentage of students who will successfully get a job after graduating) for a given college or university program, take whatever number they gave you, and cut it in half. They lie, all the time. Engineering, IT, social studies. Whatever. They will twist the data every which way so that it makes their program look better. I graduated as a laser technician last year. The class started with over 30 students, only 16 of us graduated, and about half of those that graduated have successfully found jobs. I was told the placement rate should be around 100%. I've heard similar stories from other departments.
Actually a former CEO of UBS, the largest swiss bank, started his career with an apprenticeship at a german bank and never went to uni. So yeah in german speaking countries you can achieve pretty much anything starting with an apprenticeship.
There needs to be a massive campaign in order to destigmatise apprenticeships. We have a similar problem here in the UK.
KhanStopMe
I had relatives and “helpful strangers” tell myself and others not to get a job until after university, because then I’d give up on graduating a 4 year.
But that isnt a pancea for everyone, just because someone gets an apprenticeship doesn’t stop them from furthering their life or career.
Its 2017, and its fair to say we have a generation of lifelong learners who for the most part want to be upwardly mobile and are constantly curious and developing themselves.
We live to work, not work to live, and apprenticeships are not mutually exclusive in that regard.
KhanStopMe I agree the uk needs to get its act together-we used to be good with apprenticeships. Saying that up here in Scotland we are hoping to create 27,000 modern apprenticeship places in 17/18, whether that's optimistic or not remains to be seen but there's a focus at the least
Edit-as for the stigmatisation of apprenticeships around my area that doesn't seem to be a big problem but I think that's due to the presence of the oil sector which employs so many different types of workers who then explain how their jobs really work
Not helped when some UK apprenticeships are menial labour disguised as such in order to pay below minimum wage. Supermarket shelf stackers and fish and chip shop fryers are not jobs which should have apprenticeships. Only a *skilled* job which can't be fully learned in a few hours should qualify.
Ralphie Raccoon are you sure they are classed as apprenticeships and dealt with like other apprenticeships? I’m a baker by trade and so went through an apprenticeship but I had to stop after years working there due to epilepsy-i then started working at a supermarket and both experiences were vastly different in the way they trained you
Edit-the supermarket certainly didn’t claim to be offering an apprenticeship in any shape or form
Same happens in australia
Apparently Germans also consider a trade qualification to be just as prestigious as a university degree. And will display the certificates with pride in the same way.
In English-speaking countries there's currently a great deal of snobbery surrounding academia, which we probably need to get over.
Yes we do, because a trade qualification/apprenticeship is usually a guaranteed job and many college/university degrees are not.
Sebastian Mustermann I find it ridiculous how many people campaign for free university before they'll campaign for free vocational training. We need more plumbers, we do not need more literature graduates. The whole thing just smacks of elitism to me.
I'm from Austria, not Germany, but I guess in this context that's close enough. I wouldn't say they are "just as prestigious", but they are certainly very respected.
It also depends on the field and the level. After being an apprentice (Lehrling), you are a craftsman (Geselle). If you continue your education in that field, you become a master craftsman (Meister). My grandfather was a master mechanic. I don't think he had a high school diploma. However, dozens and dozens of people were his apprentices, which led to him being widely known in the town and very well respected. On the other hand, hair dresser crafts(wo)men don't enjoy the same social standard.
A doctor of medicine or someone who finished an engineering degree will also be more respected than someone who studied sociology.
So, "just as prestigious" is taking it too far I think. It always depends on the level and the field.
Andy Brice I think free community college would be a good start. A lot of CCs offer certification programs for different trades. I've seen people have more financial success as a trained electrician than someone with a 4-year degree in math. But someone like me, for example, needs a bachelor's degree in English literature in order to pursue a teaching credential.
"I find it ridiculous how many people campaign for free university before they'll campaign for free vocational training."
Both? Both! Both is good. Seriously though, if Germany can afford to provide free education then the US should be too.
Reason why domestic manufacturing is falling behind is because employers in the last 20 years is because
1: Expensive 4 year degrees are seen as a bare minimum for any job, offloading the education cost to students who cant always afford it.
2. Employers don’t want to pay for those degrees, and cant always offset the cost of it.
3. They want to treat them as subcontractors, leading to this gig economy and no security.
Not to mention theres a bias against younger people entering this workforce, they’re seen as lazy because they’re expected to have a job straight out of high school, and be financially stable by their late 20s.
I strongly support the apprenticeship programs, it fills the skill gap, and give at risk youth an alternate path to gainful employment for those who can’t always qualify for a 4 year education program straight out of high school.
Plus I want more US employment.I’m tired of bargain basement products made overseas with a junk 90 day warranty.
Made in USA products typically signify ‘above average’ quality, in comparison to the imported goods being dumped on the market, and all of us have purchased items that turned to junk over time. Its been a race to the top and the bottom, and those of us stuck in the middle are left out. We as consumers want nice things that lasts longer, and I expect that consumers will be willing to pay items made in America with a slight premium if they get a decent warranty out of it. Manufacturers will then realize that filling warranties and providing support is cheaper if the facilities are on the same continent, IMHO.
what's wrong with German engineering?
US preach!!!! I agree 100% with you
saberline152 German Engineering is great! But for the most part when theres complaints about overseas products in the US, its about “sweatshop level” manufacturing.
Australia has had these for years.... They even have ones for non industrial ones called Traineeships.
Novusod Wouldn’t use ‘inferior’, maybe lower grade, but the market has pulled towards extremely low quality, and extreme high end German imports. Middle range goods for the middle class, produced by middle class workers. Not too much to ask, right?
As much as I’d love a German made car, cost of ownership would be far too much.
In Germany, many people become an apprentice after leaving school. For jobs in technology, health and education, there are colleges that offer courses.
This is stated in the video, mate.
Your name is literally bicycle
Dualstudium, mehr Erfahrung, wenig Freizeit
I am an apprentice in a paper mill in and there is exactly one school in germany. have to drive 400km to get there and live for 14 weeks per year for 3 years. at least I get paid for that lol.
gernsbach sucks
The US is finally starting to look abroad to other models of running manufacturing and society in general. Good! It's not a perfect model but countries like Germany seem to be balancing it pretty well. Germany is one of the largest exporters in the world despite having 1/4 of the US population and 1/15 of the Chinese population.
It's no surprise that German companies like BMW have been eager to do that in the Carolinas.
The German model has only continued to exist because of the EU and Euro, their competitiveness is based on the hopes that other EU countries do poorly because that reduces the value of the Euro and makes German trade goods easier to sell. That doesn't happen in the US as poor states receive federal handouts every year which they don't have to pay back, that is billions and billions of dollars where in the EU the loans sent out are being paid in interest.
Their economy is entirely based on hoping countries like Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal have economic hardship and German state actors have been caught in being directly involved in corruption in those countries.
* that's not wholly true. An undervalued currency isn't really a major factor. It's important, but German human capital is really high making it a desirable place for companies to produce things there. The currency issue should in theory equal out anyways; an undervalued currency will be a bad deal for German buyers of just about anything even if it helps businesses get more exports out.
The human capital is really high in Germany because the Germans have strong unions.
You can thank the liberals for ruining jobs in the US.
pp rr Please expound on that.
I love this retraining and apprenticeship stuff, pretty good way to teach skills and lower unemployment
And I love your profile picture ;) HLD ftw!
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I dis agree
Kim Jong-Un Press that little red button on your desk. That'll show them what's up.
I work in manufacturing.
At 26 I started out at $32 an hour with nothing more then a high school diploma. 2 years later I make $35.65 an hour with overtime I've made $117,000 this year with full benefits for my family over 35k in my 401k and a strong union. All that without a single penny in student loans. I absolutely love getting into manufacturing. Best thing I've ever done.
Jared Rose what company and position?
Justin Parker
"Bulletproof fabric"
Such an inspiring success story. Really wish I had a happy ending like that.
Same brother but I’m at 26 an hour last year was at 23 an hour but my factory gives a raise every year no cap as long as your not a lead. Raise depends on the worker. I got a high raise an Apple Watch and a 2k bonus because of good attendance. I don’t regret working at a factory. I take pride in my work because of the pay.
Wish more issues were bipartisan
Randomizer22 TheStudentLocal
They accidentally published it I assume and set it back to private.
deadeaded
I'm not American, but it seems to be more culture than "politicians are corrupt".
Not sure about the gun laws, but most people (whole world) would agree that governors, senators and congressmen shouldn't be able to keep the money that was donated to their campaign, and also that there shouldn't be a pay wall to run for office... In most western countries (not sure if every, but at least in UK and northern Europe) there is a set sum of money each party can spend on the election and that sum is not in the billions (Mitt Romney spent 3 billions $?), but more in the thousands per commune/region. If you removed the amount each politician/ party could get and they couldn't keep the money (they themselves) you probably would end up with a system that rewards good policy and you'd get the politicians who mind their constituents and not their pockets...
Randomizer22 TheStudentLocal that guy time traveled!!!
The bees are probably the largest bipartisan issue currently, it doesn't matter if your 5 years old or a racist living in the middle of a forest, everyone is scared.
Take money out of politics and you'll see more issues bipartisan. Take an example from the most recent tax cuts to the 1%, which passed the house and senate because all congressmen and women thought that they HAD TO pass it to please their campaign donors despite its devastating impact to the poor and middle class. Sad!
Being german it's odd to see something so normal for me seen like that. We have done this for centuries
Synerrox เ funnily enough, yeah lol,
Back in the 70's, it was actually possible to put yourself through college or trade school on part time pay, kinda crazy to think about.
Of course this isn't the truth anymore, though baby boomers think it is for some reason
While it was mostly restricted to crafts, and was under the control of the specific guilds, apprenticeships have already been done in the Middle Ages and you were not allowed to work in these fields without having done your apprenticeship.
I'm Canadian and its odd for me too. Vox presents this like its surprising. Even though this is only something being done starting with my generation.
Thomas Owusu-Abayie No, it's been pretty normal for centuries to get apprenticed to learn a job. Where do you think the tradition for carpenters to wander around the country came from?
Thomas Owusu-Abayie believe what you want, doesn't make it true.
i'm german and when i grew up i thought an apprenticeship system was a valid option everywhere in the world lol it definitely is an amazing alternative to college degrees and to build a long-lasting highly qualified workforce
One positive effect that wasn't noted is the effect on the workers who teach the apprentices. Anyone who has taught will acknowledge that nothing forces you to learn a subject inside and out like teaching it.
The should be apprenticeships for every single industry sector no matter what
I found this video really interesting. I didn't know the meaning of apprenticeship so i watched this video without shock. But when i googled the translation in dutch... americans are a strange people.. apprenticeships are the norm here. Almost everybody does them.
Some companies see them as cheap labor which is bad. But most don't. I didn't even know there where countries that didn't use this model.
In switzerland we have apprenticeships in the medical sector, maybe not as a doctor, but many other jobs like the nurse or dentist
I wish they create some apprenticeships in the environmental sector here in Canada, which will be useful for me.
Just got off a 12 hour shift at the steel mill and it's a good living for the most part. I'm a multi-craft maintenance tech that went through a 4 year technical apprenticeship at Mercedes Benz and it is a lot of work but will pay off.
12 hour shifts, good living. Bahaha
nice garry, yeah it's only for 3 days a week so it not to bad lot off of time and 6 weeks of vacation.
*Mic drop
Being from Germany, I can confidently say, that we have the exact same problem concerning non-university level education. Less and less people want to do it. Maybe it's better than in the US, but still, it a real issue!
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Weird, im literally ditching college next semester and joining an apprenticeship before this video was upload. You guys are adding fuel to the fire thanks.
Apprenticeship is rising in France again too ! I'm an apprentice myself and that's the best thing that happend to me professionaly/educationnaly wise :D
This is fantastic and about time. We have the same approach in Switzerland as in Germany and although I never did an apprenticeship myself (degrees in BA & Accounting) I think their great. I have apprentices in my accounting dept. on a 3 - 6 month rotation, and it is great to see them develop. If you do this all over the US, in the next decade, you will see the advantages in productivity, wage growth, less unnecessary student dept, etc. etc.
As a person who works in manufacturing, I would love to see more and more companies do this. Problem is, there are more small manufacturing companies than large ones. I am a Lab lead at an aerospace company. We have an incredible turnover rate. Reason being is pay and work conditions. My company has many MANY customers including our own government. Even a company like the one I work at sees managers, directors and CEOs as more important that the entry level guy. Reason being is that a lot of our workers are for a temp agency which means our workers are disposable. If our government would step up and mandate all manufacturing companies to offer an apprenticeship it would help remove the stigma of being in manufacturing. Workers would be more qualified for the type of job they do and pay would increase with the quality of work that comes with a quality employee.
The graph at 2:18 is misleading. It does not take into affect inflation. For example if we take the cost 2500 $ in 1981 and compare this to the average price of 5000 in 2001 the cost has decreased by about 100$.
A lot of companies tend to look for people with years of experience for entry level, but most college graduates don’t have that experience. It is one of those things where how is one supposed to get experience if every position requires experience.
I believe that company culture really helps in terms of experience. I used to work as a Manufacturing Engineer for couple of small Manufacturing in smallish cities in Nevada. Basically everyone kind of does their own thing, there is no such thing as “engineering” training, and there is an emphasis on getting the job done. I mean I did learn a lot in terms of stuff like driving a forklift, running presses, and packaging parts, but not so much in “engineering.”
After years of working at those companies, I decided to pursue a masters in Engineering which I’m currently doing while doing a co-op in metro Detroit area for a fairly large Automotive company. So far I like it and I’ve probably have gained more experience in my less than 1 year here than all my years as a Manufacturing Engineer combined. The reasons are that the company puts an emphasis on learning rather than just getting the job done, there so many knowledgeable Engineers to learn from, emphasis on school and seminars, and in a large Automotive company; with so many vehicle components; Engineers have work together on projects.
Yes, automation demands quality vocational training and a workforce that has undergone that. A very hard sell to many of our fellow Americans but I am currently also growing up in Germany and it’s seen as one of the reasons for the strong, continuously large industrial economy in Germany.
Was a great video with good explanations but I can see how it’s a hard sell to many Americans, especially parents.
Greetings!
P.S.: Shift Change is so competitive to Borders, like it’s with it at the top of your best series list. Really enjoy it!
As a Carolinian it makes me so happy to see our states in the news for a positive issue now :-)
I remember when I was with AmerCore and I placed in a High School, and my job was to help students get ready for college. So what I did is get to know students I was working with first and then I would find out what was best for them. And I remember they were a few who wasn't the best in school but they weren't dumb they were just bored. So I use to tell them about these apprenticeships programs in area and they really enjoyed it. Thank Vox for spending the word.
In Switzerland, apprenticeships are a very neat option. You go at the office, or at the factory or anywhere to practice your job with an enterprise 3-4 days a week and you go to professional school 1-2 days a week for 3-4 years. At the end you get a certificate and it's a totally normal option along college or other forms of high education.
Fun fact: After WWII as part of rebuilding a Germany in an image that suited us, we told them how to design higher ed (the University system with state-employee Professors like gods was seen as a serious flaw). The model suggested was Bennington College which requires - surprise! - that you do internships and apprenticeships as part of your education. So really the German model is just the Bennington model. Oh, and here's some footage that backs me up: ua-cam.com/video/G2haArkqGIw/v-deo.html
Good craftsmanship is one of the keys to success for a business. Apprenticeship programs are the closest civilians come to what the military calls "Total Immersion Training." I believe apprentices are the craftsmen of the future, no matter the job description. Learning under a journeyman or supervisor, one on one or one on two, can get our workforce back on level ground with the rest of the planet.
In Colombia, you find Sena. It's been successful for decades, and it prepares apprentices in many professional areas, always according to the fields where more professionals are required. It's great to see that the US is now considering that possibility in a large scale process.
*What did you all go to school for, and, is it relatable to what you do for work now?*
Kristen Marie I go to university in Germany for cognitive science. It might be relevant to my later job, I'll see.
To get a degree coz everyone seems to have it
Ludix147 that's the spirit
MacDonald's is waiting for you
I make more money delivering food than,someone I know who got a,4 year degree lol
Elijah wood its funny when i went to work in a government desk job for a national service program in my university, there were quite a good amount of people younger than me who were coming from working in a fast food place like mcdonalds lol
The problem with these apprenticeship programs is that they are really expensive for the companies. In Germany in high skilled fields like lens production it can cost up to multiple hundred thousands of euros to educate them. But these workers are not replaceable as they have a very specific set of skills and most will stick to their companies for their lifetime. While this gives a high gain in the long run, if a company is aiming for short term profits they won't offer such an expensive apprenticeship.
4:00 mechanic, electrician, robotic
Those are good skills to have
i Think the guy in the middle put it best; companies are looking for proficient workers and are offering $10 /hour it's not a labor shortage its a wage shortage.
if i can make $13 an hour at a best buy, or $15 at a target, why on earth would i go work at a factory for minimum wage.
Thank you for this episode, Vox. Gave me a great idea and put my mind to rest. Thank you.
Let me see what can I get. Ah yes, I want a machinic, electrician, computer engineer, and robotic all for the price of one worker!
It doesn’t take a degree to run a machine in a factory. Years of experience as well as basic (paid), on the job training are really all factories should need to require
In Switzerland we have got a similar system. After the official 9 years of school you can either take the academic route and go to college and then university or you can make an apprenticeship. College or apprenticeship both take 4 years and during the apprenticeship you go to work for 3 days and to school for 2 days. Thanks to this system more young people choose to make an apprenticeship than to go to college, especially because after the apprenticeship you can still go to University if you want. Here, the apprenticeship is not regarded as a lower qualification and a lot of companys like and support this system. With education-experts world wide this system is regarded as one of the best, but sadly its not very wide spread.
I really want to make it clear that this system, if implemented right, is not a loss in educational quality. Every Swiss student at least can speak 3 different languages and in the international tests we also score quite good in other subjects like math or science. So I can unreservedly recommend it especially to out American and British friends.
Great Video by the way
Honestly, while I agree and support apprenticeship. People my age are just... unmotivated. I am 23 and an AMT w/ an AS degree. I worked hard to get where I was at because I had a strong reason to keep pushing myself to get to the point where I am at now. Which is working on commercial jets. Last time I talk to my friend, he was still working at a Starbucks. Which mind you isn't so bad, but when I asked him if he knew anyone else besides me who has a good job, he simply said that I was the only one so far.
There are still people out who still want more for nothing because they were given everything. Perhaps if the US have more apprenticeship, people would be more interested in working.
I am happly working in the aviation world. Its a fun job. I take my job seriously to insure people get to their destination safely.
Retraining the existing workforce using an apprenticeship-style system seems like a decent idea to me, but the apprenticeship system can also work well as an inexpensive initial training system for large amounts of young people if done correctly.
I live in Switzerland and have done a 4 year apprenticeship as a mechanical design engineer in the high tech industry directly after high school. After working for 1 year, i have spent 3 years getting my bachelor degree in mechanical engineering with a focus on product development and mechatronics. Also, my dad worked as a mentor for physics laboratory assistant apprentices for 12 years.
In my opinion, a decent apprenticeship easily qualifies you to work in the in the current high tech industry, while getting a more scientific education afterwards should pretty much makes you future proof to any automation change.
To me, this way makes way more sense than getting your first real work experience after getting your theoretical masters degree. Such a degree title might make it easier to be hired initially, but it is very expensive and the quality of a decent practical education usually shows quite quickly, since every high tech product still needs to be put into reality. I assume there is also a large of people, who figure out that they've studied for a job, that they don't particularly like.
However, for an apprenticeship program to work well over an entire economy, there need to be standards set and enforced as well as motivated educators in the system, who are willing to put time and effort into educating the next generation instead of chasing a high hierarchical position. When looking at the US from the outside, these 2 points to me seem like the main points that can break the system.
I am one of the few IT apprentices that I know of. I work for a German Company in the US and my position is internally a vocational training position but marketed as an intership. I love my job and can see how this model will impact the US economy.
It is sad, you didnt mention switzerland. Here every second between 16 and 19 years makes an apprenticeship. It is supportet by the state and we can go to school twice a week and work three days.
"When Americans think of apprenticeships, they often see this old-timey training for blue-collar work."
Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, as long as the working conditions are good, the pay is generous, and the collective-bargaining rights are firmly in place.
Funny how my high school had a meeting today about an apprenticeship program today. Shows how this practice is really growing here in the US.
Great video! Didn't know much about the apprenticeship system but it seems to be an effective one
I got my degree in mechanical engineering and couldnt agree more. I would have saved and learned so much more practical knowledge this route.
We need more apprenticeships. On the job and domain relevant training is the need of the hour ❤️
There should be apprenticeships for every single industry sector, it's the perfect safety net for employment.
4:57 Greece is at the top. No wonder why, I've already booked my ticket to abroad for a better financial and work life. I'm also taking my BSc and MSc with me...
Trying to get an apprenticeship in machining here in the states is pretty hit and miss. It almost comes down to who you know. You also have to have a great resume for it. It's also where you live. Even a well known city could be like a dry riverbed.
I'm a Refinery Operator apprentice on a 3yr program. 9months left. Top rate is $45(plus bonuses and OT) when I complete it. My coworkers(also apprentices) consist of former engineers, former teachers, highschool dropouts, etc.. My highschool was pushing college on everyone, counselors got a kickback for sending students to certain schools. No one came to speak to us about apprenticeships or tradres. I have friends with master degrees and B.A's, none of which make anywhere close to the 110-130k/yr my senior coworkers are making.
In my country, switzerland, you choose between highschool and apprenticeship after middle school (there also other schools, but those two are the main one). Highschool prepares ypu for university and provides a high theoretical knowledge that is rather broad and apprenticeship is partly learning your new job and partly school which supports what you are doing jobwise. I think this is much more effective, because many students who only go through theoretical institutions such as universities, don't have much practical knowledge. Also, many jobs require a specialized kind of knowledge you don't get with broad schools like high school,wheras apprenticeship gives you the kind of knowledge you need in your job. There is always the possibility of someone with a apprenticeship to go to university, you just need to make a seperate school. Apprenticeship is very good for teens who already know what their interests are (you can also change it). Thry also get paid, though not much. The apprenticeship is for about 3 years.
Am I the only one who noticed the Windows XP PC @4:11 ???
Kanai even Tokyo If that PC is not connected to the internet it really doesn't matter what it runs so long as it runs. If it is connected to the internet it is guarranteed to be running spyware/bots/viruses and probably only 1% effective at its job.
No, but it's common to see older OS's in the field.
XP running PC's are very common in the industrial arena since the very specialized (and very expensive) SW was written to run on XP. The cost to migrate the software to newer versions of windows is usually prohibitive. The problem is not the application but the specialized device drivers used to connect to various manufacturing systems the software controls. If you remember Apple CEO was mocked when he visited the Apple production lines in China and the control computers (although they were Macs) were running Windows
Lenard, that's really a fictitiously-based generalization. In fact, you're _more_ likely to catch intrusions on an old OS as the binaries are all old, and very few, if any, new ones come out.
You forget: not every machine needs windows 10 technology. Most only require the bare minimum to run, and windows XP works JUST FINE. I use a 60,000 psi waterjet machine here at my job that's a few years old and runs windows XP because it is simple to use and doesn't cram a ton of programs into it if not needed. As long as there is not an internet connection, they just need a system that runs. There's likely plenty of machinery with older OS's than XP that still work just fine because they are easy to fix and program and work no matter what
I like seeing that almost NOWHERE do any machinery run Apple OS. The first thing they told me when I entered college and grad school (both for engineering) is to get yourself a PC and that a Mac might be useful, but nowhere near as good as a PC in running most engineering or industrial software. Mac (also can be PC) is useful for digital design, art, etc
I hope that politicans in US see apprenticeship as an education tool, and not a tool to expand subcontracting / temporary employment.
I took an apprenticeship after several attempts at college. I got paid poorly for the first 2 years but now 5 years into my career i get paid mostly 10000 a year more than most of my friends who went to college
Good to see good things about Germany. Now we go back to work.
YES, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED
I mean the existence of apprenticeships as the main skill gaining route is one of the major factors that's drawn me towards tattoo artistry. Like I always wanted to do art, but after I couldn't do more than 1 year of college because I was broke and in debt, I started considering other career paths. And I thought "hey, I've always LOVED tattoos, and the only reason I'd never considered it before was because I didn't think I'd be a good enough artist, but I am now........ and apprenticeships are free............... yep. I'm doing that."
Although my health tanked in the last year when I was trying to just build my portfolio, so now idk if I can do that, my hands aren't as steady as they used to be................ sigh.
(Btw the college program was "pre-animation and illustration" and was a one year program that led into either the animation program or the illustration and concept art program. Both highly in demand industry jobs. So I wasn't like..... going to ~art school~ or whatever. I went to a regular college that had degrees in a shitton of subjects from math to science to art to cooking to... you get the idea.)
thats a huge thing lets hope we get there !!
As a german seeing other countries not having this system, it seems absurd. But yeah US! Go on! It works, it's a great way to get young people a good foundation for their careers..
This is standard in germany, everybody who doesnt go to college, does an apprenticeship
Apprenticeships are popular in Germany because that country is still a manufacturing powerhouse, unlike the US. And again, unlike the US, strong independent workers' unions are a commonplace in Germany. More importantly, the unions don't just fight for workers' right, they also participate in decisions how the company should be developed and run.
American companies are mostly interested in minimizing short term costs and increasing profits. In that way of thinking, there is no need for apprenticeships, unions, workers' rights, or even stable employment.
Well, apprenticeships are good and all, but they pay almost nothing in Germany. You often earn less than an unemployed person in the first year.
Apprenticeships could help prevent the already present oversaturation of Bachelor's degrees
There really isn't an oversaturation of Bachelor's degrees, but an oversaturation of Bachelor's degree holders that got limited experience during their education and didn't take networking seriously at all. As Vox said, a degree is viewed as a golden ticket, but it's not. Finding work just coming out of college is a lot harder than anyone prepares grads for. Once you have 5 years under your belt, you're good, but you have to work really hard at keeping your skills up, networking, and taking anything that comes along (even if that means volunteering at a non-profit somewhere that you can get experience).
... and help to create an oversaturation of skilled labor. There is a hard limit on how many highly skilled people will be needed in the future. When one guy can fix the robot that fixes the robots that fix the robotic assembly line he will be the only guy needed to build that whole fleet of cars. If hundreds of guys can do that job but only 2 are needed in the whole society the owners of the factory will joyfully offer minimum wage and the lucky 2 will be gratefull for it while the rest starve.
As a Swiss army knife high school student. (studied industrial sciences; High amounts of mathematics, electricity, mechanical engineering and other sciences.) I can tell you I am very wanted on the job market. After dropping out of uni I managed, with a 4 year old HS degree, to get 15 job interviews in two weeks. 80% of those were positive. Meaning I could either start or get a second interview. the pay grade was that of a bachelor degree civil servant, some offers had a company car included.
What they don't mention is they pay these people around $4.25 an hour.
Csilent Apprenticeships aren't full-time jobs. It's job-training with monetary compensation since it's more of an internship through a technical school
Synerrox เ You're not supposed to. It's technical training, not a job.
Synerrox เ people in America are a strange breed that are used to getting paid pennies to work because they see it as well at least we aren't getting paid as little as people in Brazil or Mexico even though I can't afford to live on my own or do anything with the 7.25 minimum wage or the 4 something "tipped" minimum wage even with my last job that was ten an hour it felt like I was barely getting anything
Synerrox เ But they are doing the work of a full time employee and expected to live off of that
Doctor Freud Also most companies use them as an excuse to underpay and max profits due to gov incentives for them
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It's very similar in Russia. Except the quality of education, which is often quite low. It costs much, much less though, and you can learn much if you really try.
It's just that people get passing grades sometimes when they don't actually learn anything, which creates hoards if incompetents.
A lot of jobs do not require university-level education, while being necessary, but often people go get a degree in just anything, as long as it's a university degree. I find that often it's the best to get a vocational school/college degree, and then improve on your basic professional education with either worthy professional experience and/or further education. Because when you understand your profession better in general, your are better qualified to choose narrower path.
In Germany you can study for free and get money for working like in the video.
I'm always looking for such apprenticeship program to join because i believe that ultimately the reason behind many people pursue for education is a connection for a full-time job which can pay them well and have them living a decent life.
My company in the UK offered a set of apprenticeships that give work for about 16 weeks during 2 years. You have to do your regular work during that time and only get paid for your current job. Large restructuring and downsizing is run every year, so I could end up having worked extra for a year and not get anything for it apart from a few weeks' worth of apprenticeship experience which is practically useless. I chose to fund my own qualification and I'm taking it over several weekends. I am lucky to be able to afford it already having a non-starter level job.
THANK YOU VOX! This labour shortage is the solution to the youth unemployment crisis, and the divisions found in America. A happy and wealthy society is a united one, and we that unity now more than ever. The last thing we need is the economy to collapse at 30-40% employment in 30 years.
This isn't simple Labor shortage, this a Qualified Labor shortage, which is an entirely different beast.
Older business people here feel intimidated by apprenticeships they see us as competition for profit.
BMW, ultimate driving machine and the ultimate employer. Lol
Nowadays, Most young people entering the workforce don’t want jobs that are largely seen as “icky.” (Like a garbage worker, snow plow driver, septic worker or whatever other “icky job” may come to mind.) Employers are struggling to fill these positions. You still run the chance of becoming successful if you run a business that deals with waste disposal as you would by pursuing an 8 year degree and becoming a surgeon. The freedom to create and mold into shape your own destiny is an ideal that is uniquely American. I’ll end with this. You don’t need a degree to become successful. You just need the will and the strength to believe in yourself and push yourself to become the best you can be.
Follow OPPORTUNITIES.
Have FAITH.
Be STRONG.
Now that... is something they don’t teach, at a university.
After seeing that pole so happy I am in Canada
Great journalism
Here in Germany not everything is great because of apprenticeships. Often you do not get paid, but it counts as part of your college course. Now there is a law, that you have to get minimum wage but often you have to do an apprenticeship even after finishing your exam, so you get paid way to little for your qualification.
In Latvia you also need to have few month practice working in a company/organization where you prove your skills you have learned at higher education in order to finish it otherwise you won't get diploma. So higher education institutions have contracts with companies to cooperate regarding this - what we call - practice. And after practice you give a report about it and it's judged by independent commission that is made of entrepreneurs, professors, government institution managers. Mostly companies hire those students who performed best during their practice. If not - than at least student has some record in his CV regarding job experience in order to compete at labor market.
I am in Italy and I've earned this apprenticeship program, on this web agency where I'm learning how to develop web apps while even getting paid, even though the pay is ridiculously low, but after all I have the chance of a real deal job
Who remembers writing about this om their SAT last August?
hello. i am just here to say that kim is awesome.
This one video made me impressed. If this Vox producer makes a few more like this, I can see her joining the few producers that I'm always eager to watch, which includes Joss Fong and Phil Edwards. Recently I've added Estelle Caswell and Johnny Harris to my short list, their recent works have been consistently great.
If anyone is looking for a good apprentice program look up the apprentice school or as.edu . They have a really good paid apprenticeship with the option to advance through the company. We build nuclear powered warship so its a really good gig with little skills needed
great video!
Companies are complaining about not being able to fulfil jobs only because no one wants their subpar salary offerings.
As always modern germany is showing its brains and willing to make the world better
Apprenticeships are great and all...if only that had one in my industry 😐
Charlie Chaplin used to work at one of those factories.
2:09 Where has this word been all my life
They need Daniel Radcliffe from swiss army man
KeepOnDreamingDude. So my erection can lead me to an apprenticeship?
This is pretty common for large corporations. If you prove yourself, a lot of large companies will pay for you to get a degree that will help you grow within the company.
nexus1g Very true, my job will pay for any engineering degree after being with them for a year, I'm going for robotically or mechanical in the spring.
In Brazil it exists, but it just became another way of working before turning 18, I am an apprentice and I can say that it is work not learning.
You need to change corporate culture. In the two places where I have worked, management kept firing experienced workers to pay 50/25 cents LESS per hour. They want multitasking go getters who will do the load of two ppl for minimum wage. They also run the machines beyond capacity. And they get piss when the final product gets returned because is below standards...and their solution is to hire more management and give themselves bigger bonuses. Then everybody complains why other countries are increasing their productivity.
Rich Dad - Poor Dad, great book to read; should be educated more
So you can now get paid to play Factorio irl? Gimme dat.
you make it sound great but there is issues such as 'employers can pay apprentices less than usual employees' so for example they are in my experience unlikely to get a job offer after apprenticeship because why hire them at usual rate when you can hire another apprentice for low wage?
Well you have already spent significant resources in raising the apprentices and they are already familiar with the machines. I don't think it is too bad tho, it qualifies as work experience.
of course you won´t pay someone in training the same as someone who has completed that training years ago. It´s simple logic. And the companies spend lot of money on their apprentices in the process so they are very interested in producing high quality workers that will continue working at that company for along time. Simply hiring more apprentices instead of the ones that finished doesn´t make sense because it would cost them more to pay for a single newbies training than to have a skilled worker earning more money.
I did an internship at a precision mechanics company that is one of the best in Germany and they really invest a lot of money (they had for example just bought a 500K fraser just for training purposes) and time into them because they want to continue growing as a company and produce excellent results. In the whole time that company has existed (~40 years) they only had one apprentice that didn´t continue working for them after finishing training and that one person declined because he wanted to study at a university. All the while their apprentices have some of the best exam results in the country on average.
The bottomline: they invest a lot and don´t pay them as much as regular workers during training but they in turn provide great training for which the trainee does not have to pay and a very good chance at a full time job afterward.
great vid, thanks
This was very interesting to learn.
This is a serious FACTOR to consider.
When you go to your high school councilor and they tell you the placement rate (the percentage of students who will successfully get a job after graduating) for a given college or university program, take whatever number they gave you, and cut it in half. They lie, all the time.
Engineering, IT, social studies. Whatever. They will twist the data every which way so that it makes their program look better. I graduated as a laser technician last year. The class started with over 30 students, only 16 of us graduated, and about half of those that graduated have successfully found jobs. I was told the placement rate should be around 100%. I've heard similar stories from other departments.
Actually a former CEO of UBS, the largest swiss bank, started his career with an apprenticeship at a german bank and never went to uni. So yeah in german speaking countries you can achieve pretty much anything starting with an apprenticeship.
nice to know i cant get a single scholarship to fund my education when my act was 31, 97th percentile.