Talking Points: Classic trials, Cheltenham Festival changes and Grand National thoughts (21/04/24)
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- Nick Luck, alongside Dominic Ffrench Davis, Charlie Poste and Neil Channing, discusses the biggest talking points in racing this week in two-minute bursts.
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3 days, stiff fences, tickets for real NH people, Less drunks and corporate. Allow cash to be used, treat your customers with respect not as cash cows.
As Sir Mark Prescott said we have too many people in racing who are corporate and haven't a clue about horses.
what the punters would like is the trainer not telling chapman & the likes how he is very happy with his horse pre race at home and the horse is under the gosh 3 furlongs out .and a trainer saying they have always liked the 66/1 winner who has never beat a horse home in 14 races .
It's possibly the more talented 3yo or 4yo horses haven't been worked as hard at home. Generally I'd say by the top yards
Get rid of the turners + bring back the novices handicap chase!
Make the x country a handicap!
Loads needs to be done .
I never see Cheltenham losing the mares races tbh . The owners and the breeders need those races . I think the mares program is very good over jumps! Some of the best races has been mares races
most people who go to racing have not got a clue how the sport works and look at form e.t.c. it is used mainly as a day to get as drink as possible and act silly
The guy is correct about cocainne it's normalised today
Well said both, They are only interested in money, They have no knowledge of National hunt racing.
Cocaine use by men and women going into their 40s was rife at Cheltenham.
One of my sisters and daughters on Wednesday went into the toilets and women were lining it up.
Nothing said ? As long as they make a profit but they are driving NH people away but they genuinely don't care.
@@michaelmcginley7930 very few crackers, smack or potheads at the races tho...lets make racing inclusive
Spot on mate it was towcester downfall people got in free went straight to the bars nobody bet or watched the racing .Newmarket the same full of young women getting drunk waiting for the band after racing this gives false attendance ratings
As a racegoer at Cheltenham (thinking of not renewing membership) it will make not one jot of difference if the meeting is 6 or 7 races a day for as long as Ian Renton and the Jockey club insist on making the course such an unpleasant and expensive experience.
Although I can afford £12.50 for a cup of coffee and a sausage roll - I know the course at 'taking the mick' from their customers - so I will not buy this stuff.
What does Chelt managers do - search you for hidden sandwiches. Like you are taking in contraband food to a primary school.
Then there is the parking - it would have been easy enough to hire plastic matting from an events company for the whole car park, not just the tracks in. Is the management comprised of bears of little brain?
Then there is the loss of anywhere for day and annual members to sit together - is the management aware that if day and annual members meet, they have to sit on an bench in the open - so only go to Cheltenham when the weather is good now.
Why cannot annual members who are racehorse owners, but whose horse is not running at that meeting, and their trainer stand together on the annual member steppings to watch a race?
The Jockey Club seems to be a poorly managed 'events company' with little interest or knowledge about horse racing,
Spoken like a true prawn sandwich eater 🙄
My views on enhancing the racing experience are as follows.
Ban alcohol at all racecourses, and enhance drug checks at the entrance.
Regarding the Cheltenham Festival specifically, go back to three days (I’d like Mr Renton to make available the evidence that the public wants four days and 28 races - I’ve been going to the CF since 1983 and I haven’t been asked, nor have several of my friends who also attend). Get rid of the Turners, all the mares races, and the cross country. Bring back the novice handicap chase. Reduce ticket prices significantly, and create multi-day tickets (with 2,3, and 4 day options). Limit the cost of food, and create one big enclosure. Increase toilet facilities (again), and create more seating areas.
Discuss with hoteliers in the area whether there is scope to limit prices. Whatever the outcome, bus people in from surrounding areas across the Cotswolds and beyond so racegoers have the option of cheaper accommodation and reduce pressure on parking at the course. Create a direct route to the racecourse by temporarily closing roads (except for residents). Increase direct racegoer trains and ban alcohol on them.
Why not have a Talking Points covering this specific subject, and discuss points such as these along with any other suggestions.
Finally, the powers that be should undertake a consultation of racing fans to solicit a broad representative range of views on how to proceed on potential improvements to the Festival. I’m afraid that when looking to improve a product you do NOT start with pre-conceived ideas such as the Jockey Club/ Cheltenham are, you start with a blank sheet and cover anything and everything. The JC do not have the knowledge and skills to do this, and should employ specialist outside consultancy to solicit views, identify options, and present findings with recommendations.
This all sounds far too logical....Let's not forget this is the same Jockey Club that thought fireworks in broad daylight to mark the Derby while the runners were walking around the stalls was a good idea. As well an LGBT enclosure, at the Derby. I thought the irony of having a fillies only Oaks and then the Derby whilst segregating the LGBT community was ironic genius.
I agree entirely, rather than being told by the vested interests what we want, why don't the vested interests ask the paying public.
About the only bullet they have dodged around the CF was adding a 5th day.
Mr Renton has no evidence to support many of the changes as I have asked. The response is 'based on the feedback from customers in past seasons'.
Where is the evidence of whose 'evidence' was sought? What 'customers' were interviewed?
Certainly not my 'evidence' as a Cheltenham member and race course regular.
Like you I dislike the drunken excess regularly seen now at Cheltenham, but not sure that banning alcohol is the way forward. Limiting it - yes. But face it, the only thing Cheltenham appear to be interested in is money - so sales of alchohol will increase while the quality of racing deteriorates.
Ian Renton and the Jockey Club has squandered the fantastic work of Ed Gillespie who made Cheltenham the most successful racecourse in the UK.
It won top spot for 15 years running, voted by racegoers.
Now Cheltenham is not even in the top 10.
With guys like Renton involved there will be no significant changes and the festival will continue on its downward spiral.
drug search might get drugs down abit but it wont stop drugs coming in
@@hewoguys2506 At Cheltenham they have sniffer dogs at all the entrances as well as physical searches of every person entering, and on course there are sniffer dogs. Doesn't seem to be working.
This year's Grand National was indeed a great spectacle but it is in danger of becoming just another long distance handicap chase. I would like to see the plastic birch cores made higher and the spruce dressing more compacted so the horses have to respect the fences a little bit more. Horses that are accustomed to jumping low, through hedges on Cheltenham's cross country course, have done well in the National in recent years. The National still needs be a test as well as a race to retain its magic and the public interest.
this is the problem we face
Political correctness stops what you just said
There wasn't much difference between the grand national + the Scottish national to my eyes . Actually there was probably more fallers in yesterday's race! Now thats done in! They have made it too easy to win imo
As long as there is 28 races no material change will be made to make the racing more competitive by the clowns in the BHA. Go back to 6 races a day. Get rid of the three mares races and the bumper.
3 days 6 races
@@paulrichards6894Paul, I wouldn’t disagree with that either as this is what I grew up up with. To think there were people pushing for five days .
Yeah; there's no need for 3 Gd1 Novice hurdles & chases......and similarly no need for 3 Gd1 open Chases; there was already a 2m4f Gd1 at Aintree - the Melling.
Keep the 2m Supreme & 2m4f Baring Bingham, drop the 3m Spa......For the novice chasers keep the 2m Arkle & 3m Broadway. The 2m4f Golden Miller needs dropping, or moving to Aintree.
French-Davis, in common with most trainers, doesn't give a damn about the punters
The Grand National is now a glorified hurdle race. It has lost all of its 'magic' 👎
Definitely need some BIG changes at Cheltenham. People are TIRED of being ripped-off and there are too many odds-on favourites 👎
The TV coverage of the Grand National was awful, once upon a time there was a
big build up for the race, that's what created the magic. Not forgetting the horses from all walks of life, now have more stringent qualifying conditions so get better class horses.
we should start a go fund me page to send neil to the hairdressers or if we don't get much a comb
A go comb me fund maybe? 😅
@@TomLeach-dd8cl hows your luck
@@TomLeach-dd8cl you dont know pricewise selections today
@paulrichards6894 yesterday was brutal! Metal merchant winning saved my bacon but winners have been hard to come by since aintree tbh . How's yours been mate?
i'll bet Channing got a few slaps in the school playground - or college bar...he fluctuates between saying sensible things and being an irritating gobshite!
Of course it is easier to get horses fit now than 30 years ago with all weather gallops and better training knowledge and techniques
Turners - ❌
Mares - ❌
NHC - ❌
Ballymore - A Limited Novice Handicap
Cross Country - A Limited Handicap
Veterans Chase - ✅
A race for trainers with 50 horses or less - ✅
Novice Handicap Chase - ✅
Iv`e been involved in racing for years as the grandson of an owner and working in the industry it`s a sport I love but I no longer go racing because of the drunks with no interest in racing waiting for the bands to start
I Love That Mans Blondie T Shirt.
The chair is the only one, The rest aren't,
I can't understand how they are moaning about the trials when only two years ago we had a Guineas favourite in the Craven and last years greenham we had the Guineas winner, admitted he was running without a jockey. 🤣
Geldings shudnt be allowed in them trials
@@robertdelacy3434 I agree, it does defeat the so called purpose of the race, but it is only a group three race, regardless of if as colt or gelding wins, the trainer of the colt will still know where he stands with the horse.
@@nightowl7459 or they shud put the craven to 7 furlongs
@@robertdelacy3434 I don't see why? I was only discussing this the other day, why do we have two trial races one at seven furlongs and the other at a mile and yet both files trials are run over seven furlongs? They should make the Nell Gwyn a mile and run it on the same day as the Craven Stakes, some don't what to drop their files down in distance at a time when they possibly should be moving them up.
Classic trials yet often horses still need to be supplemented. Shows it's a bit of a joke really.
A veterans race needed at the festival
It's called the X Country!
There was more horses fell in Scottish national than at Aintree tells its to easy for the horses now its took the unpredictable out of the race first 4 all grade 1 winners
Seemed prety competitive to me plenty of reasonable priced winners perhaps more handicaps but if it aint broke dont fix it
Why is nobody suggesting getting rid of the National Hunt Chase ? An absolute nothing race over the last few years, and this year in particular Corbetts Cross should’ve been running in the Brown Advisory. Everyone seems keen to get rid of the Mares Races even though they are some of the only graded ones at the festival that have gotten good field sizes and competitive races over the last few years.
Last weeks Grand National seemed to be the easiest fences ever! only 4 horses unseated but i think if 40 ran instead of 32 there would have been more unseats
Their too soft the horses are brushing through them.50% would be on the floor in old nationals
The Eider, Welsh, midland, Sottish and Sussex nationals are harder.
It turned out a gd finish to the race but at the start it just didn't feel the same with 32 instead of 40 & I agree it's no longer anywhere near the same test, the race has suffered!
@mcvicarross7 i haven't watched live for years its a joke now sadly
They may have "seemed" to be the easiest but they have not changed in any way since 2012 when the plastic birch cores were introduced, aside from the well documented change to the positioning of the 1st national fence along with an alteration to the landing of the 11th. I can tell you with confidence that the fences have been contructed exactly the same for the past 5 years by exactly the same team, same heights and same spruce/birch construction.
What people fail to recognise is that the extremely wet weather in the run up to the national gave us the softest heaviest going for nearly 25 years, occam's razor would suggest this would have an obvious effect on the race conditions and eventual outcome?
@@stephenholmes1036 What does concern me about the National fences is that seem to give the message to horses 'you can brush through fences'. No you cannot. Try to brush through a chase fence and the horse will end up a faller - so I think that 'brush through' fences giving a false security to horses which make chase fences more dangerous.
Eat the food on the table
neil will take it home in that carrier bag he has in his pocket
Its a plastic copy.
No time for coke heads but one time I went to a midweek jumps meeting in Ireland and got baked.
They have gone a step too far with the Grand National. once it was the most famous horse race in the world, now it has been resigned to the history books.
top man at the RSPCA gets £230,000 year
There's cocaine in every walk of life not just racing it's everywhere
But they do nothing simply have security at the toilets
no surprise that the country's class A capital city is sending scallies in to flog gear at aintree...they'll also be picking pockets!
Lucinda Russell is enjoying substantial amount
@@user-if1ci2gw5p am smelling a libel coming your way john!
drugs are at all sports events alcohol and coke come hand in hand its happens and always will happen
especially in liverpool the major hub for class a
Just have to stop non triers in every race it’s disgusting watching horse ner try to win this racing will disappear soon young people don’t like racing it’s to bent and all this bookies banning people if they win and north paying out winnings racing is a disgrace now it’s really awful.
Channig is so embarrassing
A veterans race at Cheltenham