te kanawa is unrivalled in this role and in 1973 she was in top form- no not freni, janowitz can take that crown- beautiful stage presence, tone, legato, intonation- what more can one ask for...this the contessa of mozart's dreams
She is so magnificent at singing this piece with such a softness yet such a strength (something easier said than done). She is one of the great voices no doubt.
Other singers applaud her ss she makes it look so easy! Mozart is so vulnerable as there is no where to hide with the music! Only the best sing mozart this good!
I can never listen to this rendition of "Dove Sono” by Dame Kiri Te Kanawa without my eyes tearing from sadness at the lyrics and rapture from the absolute perfection of the music and the performance.
Superb! My choir had the privilege to sing Brahms' Requiem with her several years ago in Winchester Cathedral. She's a lovely woman and definitely no demanding diva. She stood quietly at one side, dressed casually in trousers shirt and jacket (not diamonds and furs), listening to us rehearsing. She sang with us for an hour or so for sound checks and to give us a chance to adjust and get used to her and then signed autographs after the rehearsal (I treasure my signed score!). Then she gave a fantastic performance in the evening and carried us along with her. It was a stupendous and unforgettable experience for a non-professional choir like ours!
I had the pleasure of meeting her several times in the 1970s and early 80s when I worked at the New Zealand High Commission in London. You couldn't meet a nicer person. No demands or hysteria. A real lady. When meeting her 30 years later she still remembered me. Absolutely one of my favourite people.
Such rapturous sound and beautiful sound. I don't know how people do not hear it. She is marvelous. Her dynamics are just perfect. Decrescendos and the portamento. Thank you for sharing this.
Te Kanawa takes on this piece I love (and thought I knew...) like a dangerous and frighteningly smart wildcat - and, thanks to her not-of-this-earth expressive palette, makes something completely new out of it. Overwhelming. THANKS FOR THIS GREAT POST !!!
No le encuentro en nada parecido en el solo del Agnus Dei de la Misa de la Coronación de Mozart, además de que es una hermosa Aria. Excelente interpretación, grande Wolfgang A. Mozart.
La musique,du Faso est une source intarissable de douceurs. Elle permet de plonger au plus profond de soi et simultanément d'entrer en résonance avec son prochain, Yé Lassina Coulibaly❤
@2hotinaz She was never recorded or replayed saying those things about Susan Boyle et al. All the world ever saw were “entertainment newscasters telling us in breathless, breathy voices that Dame Kiri Te Kanawa was reported to have said, “…”. No one, I repeat, no one has produced video or audio recordings of Dame Kiri directly herself putting down those other artists.
The conductor was Sir John Pritchard, and I imagine it was the LSO, as it was at Glyndebourne in 1973. The whole performance, produced by Sir Peter Hall and notably also including Ileana Cotrubas and Frederica von Stade is the finest Figaro I've ever seen.
One criticism of Te Kanawa from contemporaries and coaches is that her pronunciation is random. Her singing is superb, but she gets the lyrics wrong. Those who don't know, won't notice. Those who do know find it difficult to enjoy her performance.
Kiri's tone is unbearable!?!?!?!?! Her tone is probably one of the best of the 20th century! It's so clear and dark and beautiful! I can understand if you don't like her, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but her voice surpasses all other singers I've heard. I would at least expect you to think she has a beautiful voice and tone at least, even if you do not like her (which I could not at all understand)
I saw this performance live in 1973 on a black and white TV and loved the whole production. Watching this part brings me back to the wonder of her voice, acting, the whole production. Utter perfection - and yes, I've heard Freni and Popp who are also queens of voice - this is just my favorite. I am now, in December 2022 feeling the warmth of that performance and can sleep happy tonight.
the way she shows a sadness in the falling intervals , especially near the end of the opening phrase (note 'fa' falling down to 're') is just heartbreaking...i think if Mozart heard her voice - he would have cried at the beauty and what HE could have done to teach her his music...
The supreme elegance of Kiri's interpretation, gorgeous vibrato (being a violinist this is important to me), but the sweet yet rich timber of her voice is magical to me.
It's almost mesmerizing to watch how easy she makes it look. She is one of those rare one-in-a-million treasures, and unique in every sense of the word. Hats off to you, Dame Kiri!
She's not just perfection, she´s so pretty, and Wow! She's such an ethnic beauty.... Then she is a Maori from New Zealand..... Wow! Ethnic and beautiful, and a so beautiful wonderful voice.... Congratulations, Dame Kiri..!
A critique of this stellar performance is a few light-years above my pay-grade. I can say, quite honestly, that after dozens of auditions I still sit with tears of wonder and joy in my eyes when Kiri Te Kanawa allows the last note to fade away. I love this addiction as much as I love the perfection that has introduced it to me.
Dove sono i bei momenti Di dolcezza e di piacer? Dove andaro i giuramenti Di quel labbro menzogner? Perchè mai, se in pianti e in pene Per me tutto si cangiò, La memoria di quel bene Dal mio sen non trapassò? Ah! se almen la mia costanza, Nel languire amando ognor, Mi portasse una speranza Di cangiar l'ingrato cor!
The only "problem" with Kiri's portrayal is that the Count would have to be blind, deaf and dumb to tire of this intelligent, sensitive, beautiful woman.
@@Ernesto7608 Each to his own; however, her stellar performance at Glyndebourne in 1972 astonished audiences and launched Dame Kiri te Kanawa's career like a rocket.
I don't like opera, and I have no idea what the lyrics meant, but I got close to tears listening to the beauty of her voice. So much ugliness and coarseness in the world, and then there's this. It hit me the way a beautiful cathedral does.
The character is wondering what happened to the love her husband had for her now that he's trying to cheat on her with her maid. At the end of the aria she gathers up her courage and decides she is going to find a way to win him back.
Before you say you don't like opera watch a whole video of this opera with subtitles. When you go to the opera they flash the words in English over the stage or on a screen on the back of the seat or railing in front of you.
@@Muttonchop_USA it's the silly ridiculous plots, the absurdities, the recitatives, the over the top emoting, the middle-aged obese singers romancing and lusting like silly adolescents, the many arias that have no melody or interest, the awful librettos that ruin the sometime worthy music, the scenes that drag on forever that I don't like.
Exquisite in every way. I have to marvel at the phrasing, breath control, and characterization of longing. But at the end, perhaps there is reason for optimism.
an amazing countess. All that restrained emotion held behind the aristocratic facade. Much preferred to dorothea roschmann et al belting it out to the back row (at least by me).
some gals owned roles...sills is Manon, Price is aida and both Leonoras, and Kiri is the countess.and just look at her! at 29..beauty, vulnerability...her performance is so thoughtful and moving!
I think this video explains Kiri Te Kanawa's fame, especially in this repertoire. The endless and easy flow of a homogeneously warm and sweet sound, the even vibrato, the flawlessly supported and floating legato line are nothing short of sensational. (I find it interesting how she takes the passaggio notes - around E and F in the 2nd octave - so high that they become slightly sharp, although still maintaining the overall pleasantness of her rendition. Was she afraid of singing flat in the passaggio region?) Her beautifully relaxed face shows the poise of a consummate vocalist, and her typical, slight furrows at the inner edges of the eyebrows indicate exactly where she is placing the sound... ;-) I have just one - not even criticism, but rather a question: Isn't it maybe too flawless, too superior? The Countess is, after all, the same character as the vivid Rosina in the Barber of Seville, just a few (not many!) years older - and here, in the Marriage of Figaro she is unhappy, almost helpless, and certainly not 'poised'. We all know that Mozart has written some of his most demanding phrases for the Countess (undecorated, cruelly 'open' lines, "nowhere to hide", as Margaret Price would say), and that the role requires, first of all, a superior vocalist to do it justice. But shouldn't it also transport - through and beyond the perfection of the singing - the helplessness, restlessness, the despair and vulnerability of the character? Here, most of the time I hear and see a beautiful and melancholically placid lady in full possession of her composure and restraint...
Such luscious sound. The most gorgeous instrument to listen to. She is beautiful and just exquisite in all ways. I could listen to her all night. Get hold of her Otello with Pavarotti. IT'S LIVE!!!!!!
@12harby well if you don't want her, we'd be happy to keep her here in Iceland. I have met her on more than one occasion and she is the most humble lady and so kind
What brought her to my attention is she played Donna Elvira to Edda Moser's Donna Anna in the film version of "Don Giovanni." She was absolutely lovely.
Te Kanawa is at her most amazing shape here! The voice is very luscious and delicate, and she has absolute control. But, even so, nothing here sounds mechanical. Her Mozartean taste is ideal, as well as her subtle but attentive phrasing. Now as for the greatest Contessas, people always forget Della Casa, who's just as great as Schwarzkopf and Te Kanawa and perhaps even more charming. Fleming is also one of the best.
La opera "Las bodas de Figaro"de Mozart.Aqui la condesa sublimemente interpretado por la bella mujer mauri neozelandesa Kiri Te Kanawa,lo unico que supera su belleza fisica es su belleza vocal y tu Claudia!
Having come up on the great interpretation of Ms Fleming... I can say There is definitely room in my list of fav dove Sonos for Dame Kiri too... they’re sooo different and both sooo incredibly spectacular.
I learn so much from her recordings... I don't sing this role (anyway, I don't sing it YET:) it's too much for me, but when I listen to recprdings of Dame Kiri and when I listen carefully "holy crap, how she does it?" - I learn so much! Sure that my legato is soooooooo far than Kiri's legato. But when I listen do her I know how it should sound and look like...
te kanawa is unrivalled in this role and in 1973 she was in top form- no not freni, janowitz can take that crown- beautiful stage presence, tone, legato, intonation- what more can one ask for...this the contessa of mozart's dreams
Nobody like the magnificent Kiwi for a bit of Mozart on a lockdown.
Dame Kiri Te Kanawa's performance of "Dove sono" is still the benchmark, so far as I'm concerned.
True.
@@everydaymontana Yes
She is so magnificent at singing this piece with such a softness yet such a strength (something easier said than done). She is one of the great voices no doubt.
jacson 1226 She's easy on the eye too!
Other singers applaud her ss she makes it look so easy!
Mozart is so vulnerable as there is no where to hide with the music!
Only the best sing mozart this good!
what an angelic voice.... studied this song as part of my uni studtying and was captivated by it
I can never listen to this rendition of "Dove Sono” by Dame Kiri Te Kanawa without my eyes tearing from sadness at the lyrics and rapture from the absolute perfection of the music and the performance.
Superb! My choir had the privilege to sing Brahms' Requiem with her several years ago in Winchester Cathedral. She's a lovely woman and definitely no demanding diva. She stood quietly at one side, dressed casually in trousers shirt and jacket (not diamonds and furs), listening to us rehearsing. She sang with us for an hour or so for sound checks and to give us a chance to adjust and get used to her and then signed autographs after the rehearsal (I treasure my signed score!). Then she gave a fantastic performance in the evening and carried us along with her. It was a stupendous and unforgettable experience for a non-professional choir like ours!
That must have been a fantastic experience.
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❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🤍🙏❤️❤️
I had the pleasure of meeting her several times in the 1970s and early 80s when I worked at the New Zealand High Commission in London. You couldn't meet a nicer person. No demands or hysteria. A real lady. When meeting her 30 years later she still remembered me. Absolutely one of my favourite people.
Quelle merveilleuse et précieuse expérience!!
Perfect legato, perfect tone, perfect resonance - what a treat. oh, and beautiful expression, too. Thank you for posting!
This is my fave Dove sono ! Wonderful Kiri ! Thx a lot !
My favourite aria....so very beautiful!
Such rapturous sound and beautiful sound. I don't know how people do not hear it. She is marvelous. Her dynamics are just perfect. Decrescendos and the portamento. Thank you for sharing this.
This was one of the first Mozart arias I've ever heard. It gave me a solid introduction to the wonders of the opera!
Te Kanawa takes on this piece I love (and thought I knew...) like a dangerous and frighteningly smart wildcat - and, thanks to her not-of-this-earth expressive palette, makes something completely new out of it.
Overwhelming.
THANKS FOR THIS GREAT POST !!!
Incantevole, stupenda Dame Kiri!!!!! Un sogno, voce meravigliosa!!!
Now that... Is called talent. Atta girl, Kiri.
She is melting my heart.
Dame Kanawa, you move me.
It is for the first time when I hear Kiri Te Kanawa singing. What a wonderful surprise. Lovely. And such a voice. It is so warm...wow
She is SO elegant!
Perfection!!!
The Italian morbidezza personified
Delightful. Makes the lions raging in my heart quiet down and lay peacefully in my chest in rapt attention.
She's the best ever!
i have no words
about both : Wolfgangerl and Kiri
Belíssimo! 🌹
lovely voice.
Wonderful aria Wonderful singer
She makes it looks so damn easy.
Lucia popp is.still the benchmark
Simply Wonderful
jesus...this woman...her voice is EVERYTHING that is great in life!!!
No le encuentro en nada parecido en el solo del Agnus Dei de la Misa de la Coronación de Mozart, además de que es una hermosa Aria. Excelente interpretación, grande Wolfgang A. Mozart.
La musique,du Faso est une source intarissable de douceurs.
Elle permet de plonger au plus profond de soi et simultanément d'entrer en résonance avec son prochain, Yé Lassina Coulibaly❤
and she's got a corset on and everything!!! very very very impressive!!
thanks for uploading
@2hotinaz She was never recorded or replayed saying those things about Susan Boyle et al. All the world ever saw were “entertainment newscasters telling us in breathless, breathy voices that Dame Kiri Te Kanawa was reported to have said, “…”. No one, I repeat, no one has produced video or audio recordings of Dame Kiri directly herself putting down those other artists.
So sad children don't like opera any more. I am the only kid I know who loves it! What a gorgious voice she has!
wspaniały sopran!!
magnifique !!!!!!
Grande ... Bella
what is the tempo of this song
was this the version with frederica von stade as cherubino?
Yes, it was!
Lara Tan Saw the 1973 at Glyndebourne.Having seen it live, I don't just remember this, it has remained in my bloodstream for over 40 years.
This aria and role is completely her's. Soprano's have their signature's, I don't doubt this is Kiri's.
Mi piace
Yes, I agree. Gundula is great. I think Kiri is too.
Very beautiful, but please name the orchestra and conductor. They are not insignificant!
The conductor was Sir John Pritchard, and I imagine it was the LSO, as it was at Glyndebourne in 1973. The whole performance, produced by Sir Peter Hall and notably also including Ileana Cotrubas and Frederica von Stade is the finest Figaro I've ever seen.
There's only Elizabeth Schwarzkopf to rival her. God bless them both!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Dame Te Kanawa. You have given me hours of pleasure with your generous performances. I adore you.
She's lucky. You are one handsome admirer.
Very kind of you to say so. I'm flattered.
That is the largest dress I have ever seen.
@aarond53 true. they can`t do shit without a microphone.. doesn`t matter if some have a paper to prove that they are "opera singers".
god this brings a lump to the throat
How can anyone dislike this clip - Dame Kiri is superb - thats it. Untouchable, unbeatable end of story.
One criticism of Te Kanawa from contemporaries and coaches is that her pronunciation is random. Her singing is superb, but she gets the lyrics wrong. Those who don't know, won't notice. Those who do know find it difficult to enjoy her performance.
Kiri's tone is unbearable!?!?!?!?! Her tone is probably one of the best of the 20th century! It's so clear and dark and beautiful! I can understand if you don't like her, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but her voice surpasses all other singers I've heard. I would at least expect you to think she has a beautiful voice and tone at least, even if you do not like her (which I could not at all understand)
I saw this performance live in 1973 on a black and white TV and loved the whole production. Watching this part brings me back to the wonder of her voice, acting, the whole production. Utter perfection - and yes, I've heard Freni and Popp who are also queens of voice - this is just my favorite. I am now, in December 2022 feeling the warmth of that performance and can sleep happy tonight.
June '24 it's still the best
God why oh why did you take Mozart so young ..such understanding of the human voice ...the like of which we will never see again ...i love Mozart
the way she shows a sadness in the falling intervals , especially near the end of the opening phrase (note 'fa' falling down to 're') is just heartbreaking...i think if Mozart heard her voice - he would have cried at the beauty and what HE could have done to teach her his music...
The supreme elegance of Kiri's interpretation, gorgeous vibrato (being a violinist this is important to me), but the sweet yet rich timber of her voice is magical to me.
It's almost mesmerizing to watch how easy she makes it look. She is one of those rare one-in-a-million treasures, and unique in every sense of the word. Hats off to you, Dame Kiri!
I don't know if this performance has been equaled; certainly never surpassed! Brava!
An absolutely phenomenal performance! Now I know why Kiri is rated so highly by her fellow singers.
There are other sopranos who better interpret other composers, but nobody outdoes Kiri when it comes to Mozart.
I prefer Eleanor Steber for the lyric Mozart roles. The dramatic soprano Mozart roles, Edda Moser is the best by far.
@@xxsaruman82xx87
Lucia popp is my favorite Mozart singer
@@beachfanatic2010 What about Ponselle?
She's not just perfection, she´s so pretty, and Wow! She's such an ethnic beauty.... Then she is a Maori from New Zealand..... Wow! Ethnic and beautiful, and a so beautiful wonderful voice.... Congratulations, Dame Kiri..!
She is a perfection, beautiful singing pitch and rendition. She is amazingly a beautiful singer, I love her voice and her songs!
Kiri Te Kanawa chante extrêmement bien
C'est MAGNIFIQUE 🤩🤩
A critique of this stellar performance is a few light-years above my pay-grade. I can say, quite honestly, that after dozens of auditions I still sit with tears of wonder and joy in my eyes when Kiri Te Kanawa allows the last note to fade away. I love this addiction as much as I love the perfection that has introduced it to me.
Dove sono i bei momenti
Di dolcezza e di piacer?
Dove andaro i giuramenti
Di quel labbro menzogner?
Perchè mai, se in pianti e in pene
Per me tutto si cangiò,
La memoria di quel bene
Dal mio sen non trapassò?
Ah! se almen la mia costanza,
Nel languire amando ognor,
Mi portasse una speranza
Di cangiar l'ingrato cor!
Kiri Te Kanawa's voice is flawless. Mozart rep. fits her voice so well! Beautiful
I have never heard such a moving and brilliant interpretation of this aria. Bravo and thank you, Mrs "All Black"!!!
The only "problem" with Kiri's portrayal is that the Count would have to be blind, deaf and dumb to tire of this intelligent, sensitive, beautiful woman.
Exactly!
One needs to consider the recording abilities of the 70s vs the recording abilities of today to truly appreciate how amazing this is.
For me, this will always be the definitive interpretation
AMEN!
There is not a UNIQUE "definitive interpretation". For me, the best singer for this composition is Margaret Price. By far!
Magnificent ♥️
@@Ernesto7608 Each to his own; however, her stellar performance at Glyndebourne in 1972 astonished audiences and launched Dame Kiri te Kanawa's career like a rocket.
gorgeous voice; amazing technique; fabulous mozartean singer
I don't like opera, and I have no idea what the lyrics meant, but I got close to tears listening to the beauty of her voice. So much ugliness and coarseness in the world, and then there's this. It hit me the way a beautiful cathedral does.
The character is wondering what happened to the love her husband had for her now that he's trying to cheat on her with her maid. At the end of the aria she gathers up her courage and decides she is going to find a way to win him back.
Before you say you don't like opera watch a whole video of this opera with subtitles. When you go to the opera they flash the words in English over the stage or on a screen on the back of the seat or railing in front of you.
ua-cam.com/video/YdB64p_x2q8/v-deo.html
@@Muttonchop_USA it's the silly ridiculous plots, the absurdities, the recitatives, the over the top emoting, the middle-aged obese singers romancing and lusting like silly adolescents, the many arias that have no melody or interest, the awful librettos that ruin the sometime worthy music, the scenes that drag on forever that I don't like.
The version I keep coming back to.
Exquisite in every way. I have to marvel at the phrasing, breath control, and characterization of longing. But at the end, perhaps there is reason for optimism.
Gotta love live.. mozart;kiri..sublime.....further comment superfluous.
an amazing countess. All that restrained emotion held behind the aristocratic facade. Much preferred to dorothea roschmann et al belting it out to the back row (at least by me).
Kiri Te Kanawa is the best Countess of Almaviva EVER!
some gals owned roles...sills is Manon, Price is aida and both Leonoras, and Kiri is the countess.and just look at her! at 29..beauty, vulnerability...her performance is so thoughtful and moving!
I have big respect for this woman cause she started off her career with Mozart, healthy singing! Love, love her.
better and better.........each time I listen, I wonder at the beauty and utter, total, exquisite artistry. Brava .......
I think this video explains Kiri Te Kanawa's fame, especially in this repertoire. The endless and easy flow of a homogeneously warm and sweet sound, the even vibrato, the flawlessly supported and floating legato line are nothing short of sensational.
(I find it interesting how she takes the passaggio notes - around E and F in the 2nd octave - so high that they become slightly sharp, although still maintaining the overall pleasantness of her rendition. Was she afraid of singing flat in the passaggio region?)
Her beautifully relaxed face shows the poise of a consummate vocalist, and her typical, slight furrows at the inner edges of the eyebrows indicate exactly where she is placing the sound... ;-)
I have just one - not even criticism, but rather a question: Isn't it maybe too flawless, too superior? The Countess is, after all, the same character as the vivid Rosina in the Barber of Seville, just a few (not many!) years older - and here, in the Marriage of Figaro she is unhappy, almost helpless, and certainly not 'poised'. We all know that Mozart has written some of his most demanding phrases for the Countess (undecorated, cruelly 'open' lines, "nowhere to hide", as Margaret Price would say), and that the role requires, first of all, a superior vocalist to do it justice. But shouldn't it also transport - through and beyond the perfection of the singing - the helplessness, restlessness, the despair and vulnerability of the character? Here, most of the time I hear and see a beautiful and melancholically placid lady in full possession of her composure and restraint...
Her diction in German when she sings R. Strauss, however, is excellent, and she sounds almost like a native.
Such luscious sound. The most gorgeous instrument to listen to. She is beautiful and just exquisite in all ways. I could listen to her all night. Get hold of her Otello with Pavarotti. IT'S LIVE!!!!!!
Kiri also recorded 'Die Zauberflöte' with Neville Marriner...superbe role of the New Zealand nigtingale
@12harby well if you don't want her, we'd be happy to keep her here in Iceland. I have met her on more than one occasion and she is the most humble lady and so kind
Quelle dommage que Cécilia Bartolli ne puisse pas prendre des leçons avec elle. Divin !
Bellísima Aria. Dove Sono.--Kiri the Kanawa.
Pure gold, very feminin and strong! Kiri, this is unique!!
Bella interpretazione favolosa di Mozart grande soprano
oh no
Vaness reads Mozart well, but who cares when the voice is ugly
and she cant even stand in Kiris shadow as Countess
Hi kiri
I think always to us giving grandus
And mozzart
Thank you your grander song.
I ,m korea,
What brought her to my attention is she played Donna Elvira to Edda Moser's Donna Anna in the film version of "Don Giovanni." She was absolutely lovely.
@chocchipcookie26
good for you! my friends just laugh at me when i talk about opera.
Te Kanawa is at her most amazing shape here! The voice is very luscious and delicate, and she has absolute control. But, even so, nothing here sounds mechanical. Her Mozartean taste is ideal, as well as her subtle but attentive phrasing. Now as for the greatest Contessas, people always forget Della Casa, who's just as great as Schwarzkopf and Te Kanawa and perhaps even more charming. Fleming is also one of the best.
Beautiful, her Voice spins fine golden silk
Not only is her voice a gift, but she continues to carry and exude such stunning pure, elegant, and aesthetic beauty!
La opera "Las bodas de Figaro"de Mozart.Aqui la condesa sublimemente interpretado por la bella mujer mauri neozelandesa Kiri Te Kanawa,lo unico que supera su belleza fisica es su belleza vocal y tu Claudia!
Having come up on the great interpretation of Ms Fleming... I can say There is definitely room in my list of fav dove Sonos for Dame Kiri too... they’re sooo different and both sooo incredibly spectacular.
I concur!
I love Te Kanawa! Such a buttery beautiful voice. Search for Glyndebourne 1973 for the full performance.
I have the DVD. IT'S A STELLAR CAST👑 IN THIER PRIME. COTRUBAS STEALS THE SHOW, SUCH A FINE SINGING ACTRESS. Arnold Bourbon Amaral
Creamy...that's the word...I've always enjoyed Kiri's singing...thanks for posting.
What hissing? I can't hear it. Are you living with a snake?
I learn so much from her recordings... I don't sing this role (anyway, I don't sing it YET:) it's too much for me, but when I listen to recprdings of Dame Kiri and when I listen carefully "holy crap, how she does it?" - I learn so much! Sure that my legato is soooooooo far than Kiri's legato. But when I listen do her I know how it should sound and look like...