Regardless of what people think the outcome will be, one thing is for sure is that KSI vs Jake Paul must happen in early 2024. The hype has been built for long enough, both fighters are active and fans are beginning to lose their patience.
I Think it is very difficult to determine the level that JJ is at right now simply because we havent seen him face a tough opponent, I think we will get a clearer idea on who is better between Jake and JJ after the Tommy fight.
@@the-monocle As much as you say KSI needs to be humbled,I think his ego is the reason as to why he suceeds because he has belief in himself that he takes out any oppenent in the influencers scene
@@dentyph5169 True JJ isnt expected to win this fight but regardless of the outcome of JJ v Tommy the JJ v Jake fight should happen, end the debate as to who is better its been too long now
If KSI loses to Tommy Fury, he NEEDS to fight Jake. If he doesnt accept a Jake Paul fight, hes ducking. If Jake Paul doesnt accept the KSI fight, hes ducking. The fight NEEDS to happen no later than June 2024
while you guys debate about who ducking who, both of them are probably hanging out on some yatch together counting the millions they have been making from this fake beef 🤣🤣🤣
Wait, people are saying Jake regressed in that last fight? That's wild. Jake (to me) look like he stagnated for a while. From Woodley 1 and 2, through Fury, he looked a bit better overall on offense, but looked HORRIBLE when he got pressed. He could fight going backwards, but couldn't fight when he got stuck on the ropes, and was terrible at avoiding getting stuck in the ropes. He looked WAY better on both of those fronts in this last fight.
It's because a lot of people in this scene have a SUPER black and white way of looking at combat sports because of tribalism over their favorite creator(KSI's extremely vocally toxic fans usually, obv not all of them), and boxing purists. For some reason people can't just say Jake is progressing well without catching shit for it, no matter how true it is. It's fair to say that we have more of a grasp on how good Jake is compared to KSI which is why people rank him above him, and it's also fair to say this is the first time we'll actually be able to compare the two because this is KSI's first real, competitive fight since Logan. Jake was definitely more complete here than against Fury. The amount of people saying he sucks because he couldn't sleep Diaz is hilarious because they very obviously don't know who Nate Diaz is.
I think partly why some people hate on the fight is he didn't get the KO and that he slowed his pace down. But I definitely think this shows groundwork for a much more dangerous Jake Paul. One who has more variety and weapons in his arsenal.
Anyone who says he regressed or looks worse is either just lying to not give him credit, knows nothing abt boxing, or is just a hater. KSI saying what he said sounds like he doesn’t know or hasn’t watched jakes fights. He was hands down better, looked more like a boxer than ever, threw almost 500 shots over 10 rounds and didn’t gas. Like KSI doesn’t know u do different things based on the opponent ur fighting. I almost think KSI thinks u just go for ko’s or he’s just trolling. Has he seen his own fights? He’s a new boxer and doesn’t look good. Jake is the better boxer. That said it doesn’t mean KSI can’t win bc jake does struggle when he’s getting hit w a barrage of shots which KSI does. They just need to fight before we no longer care.
@@itsprecepthow dare you come on here w a very reasonable and well thought out opinion! One thing I’ve learned is 99% of fans and even influencer boxers don’t know much abt boxing.
@@shaunadams6611 I just hate how a lot of tribalism in this community stifles meaningful discussions. Especially because nobody in this scene can just chill with high praises because somehow the super toxic KSI fans will swoop in and say "BUT THEY AREN'T EVER BEATING KSI" and downplay them at every turn. It happens with Jake, it happens with Salt Papi, it happens with Slim, it happens with Anthony Taylor........I hate how people in this scene don't wanna see greatness exist in more than one form.
Some people don’t think so which I disagree, Tommy’s family won’t let him slack off, even his dad has publicly stated how the fight with KSI could be tougher than they think, all Tommy needs to do to be significantly better is following up his jabs and specifically in a defensive manner. He kept falling into the same trap of getting clipped with Jakes jab and over hand because he’d never had anyone set up shots like that, I think if he can fix that issue, it’ll be a much easier night for him, plus he’s shown to have an impressive chin
Joe Fournier, starting to have some success in round 2 against KSI, needs to be mentioned more. No matter how good KSI's cardio is, he will slow down due to his style.
@@Tom-js3izbasically in the second round of that fight, Joe was starting to time KSI’s jabs and punches pretty well and Joe is much worse than Jake and Tommy so if you’re a KSI fan, it’s something to be worried about. I think Joe had a chance to make it past the second if he didn’t try to clinch, I think he should’ve just ran around the ring and stalled for time and then waited for a better moment to clinch, either way KSI would’ve won but Joe could’ve made it last longer if he was better. I don’t see KSI winning against Tommy since those kinds of opens will definitely be exploited during their fight but it does make the debate between him and Jake much more interesting
@@Tom-js3izDidn't say it was a lot of success, but he was starting to find his timing and land a little before the elbow. Compare it to the first round, where he looked completely out of his depth. Who knows exactly what would've happened if the elbow didn't land. I think KSI still would've won, but Joe ate big shots and was still standing.
It's so difficult because I feel like we all know exactly who Jake is as a fighter, but we still know so little about KSI. He hasn't been tested at all. Tyron Woodley, if they hypothetically fought, would be KSI's hardest oppoenent by far, but for Jake, he's taken tougher fights against Silva, Fury, and Diaz. So once KSI finally gets an actually test against Tommy, we will finally have more of an idea of how a KSI vs Jake fight will go.
yeah, literally everyone that actually knows boxing says that was a good performance from Jake. And the funny thing is, that was Jake's warmup fight to get back on a winning streak and test his new skills. If you have nate diaz as a warmup fight that is insane. Ksi's warmup fights were Swarmz, Pineda, Tempera and Fournier who all suck and would get mauled by Nate Diaz
If we factor in power scaling, then KSI has canonically beaten Thanos in a Reddit video therefore giving scaling him above a Marvel high tier. In conclusion, KSI should stomp Jake within the first millisecond of round 1. Checkmate Jake Paul fans.
I don't even know anymore. I've been saying that it would be a close fight from way before ksi came back to boxing. I'd still lean towards Jake, but it'd be a fun close fight
Crazy how short of time you and sensei have known each other, seems like you guys have been doing this since forever. Best coverage channel in the UA-cam sports scene 👌
So a lot of people are saying that Jake regressed apparently which isn't true cause When's the last time Jake was looking at his opponent landing fluid shots? Especially during the 5th round after he dropped Nate where he was landing on will on Nate, the uppercut, 1-2-1-1. Every other time (Woodley 1&2, Silva, & Tommy) he's duck his head, smoother himself from any opposition to land anything. His eye coordination has gotten better, he's not overextending on damn near EVERY single shot, landing punches in the phone booth, etc. It ain't perfect but he is getting better, just even the smallest improvements can have a big success.
Most of them are KSI wankers, Jake looked way worse against Tommy, ducking his head, spamming one punch, not looking at his opponent when throwing etc, He improve a lot against Nate.
I don't think Jake Paul regressed, but he is definitely not that good. As a boxer nate is absolutely terrible. He doesn't even know how to throw a jab or a basic 1-2. He walks into range. Can't cut of the ring and throws arm punches. With all these disadvantages and being well past his prime he still had a competitive fight with Jake. Jake was supposed to ko or tko nate. Jake's performance was not impressive but he has improved
What you havent mentioned is that this influencer boxing came out of online beef between influencers. What we need is two big name influencers to have a massive drama and rivalry, and then decide to settle it in the ring. Thats the only way to replace KSI and Jake.
You need influencers with a big platform and athletic potential. It's hard to see Mr Beast doing it. Joe Rogan never would, but him VS Andrew Tate for charity would break the internet.
I’ve watched all of Jakes fights & he progresses every fight. He’s come along way from that first fight. He lives, breaths & eats boxing. It’s obvious he’s very passionate about it by the effort he puts into his training. It’s made me have a new found respect for him as a “boxer.” I wrestled & boxed in HS, then started training Muay Thai, boxing & BJJ at a local gym. Just training & sparring is tough enough & it takes a lot of dedication. If you’re not in there at least 4-5x a week, you can barley get through a class. I respect anybody that has the balls to step into a ring & fight or train for hobby. So I don’t hate on any of these guys whether I like them or not. 🤷🏻♂️
Jake Wins. Go watch the Fournier vs KSI fight back. That right there is uppercut city, everytime he punches his head goes down with no guard. I don't understand how ppl watch this and think he can "destroy" Jake Paul. KSI even turned his back when he fought Fournier. I want KSI to win but i don't see it happening. KSI has one thing and that is POWER. If KSI doesn't knock Jake out. Jake Wins.
@@lolcow6668almost every decent shot he lands gets his opponents attention what are you talking about? You gotta be a hater to say that man don’t got power
KSI turned his back because he threw a shot and in the middle of it Fournier ducked and like ran towards him in a tackling motion. And it wasn’t a turned back more of a turned side. But a weird boxing move from Fournier caused a weird boxing reaction from KSI.
36:19 i wanna add on too this, Tyrone Woodley 1 with the right hook that put jake on the ropes could be a great example of what jake does compared to JJ , Jake is more on survival defense mode staying on the outside with his guard up jabbing to get the opponent out of reach while JJ is more on the "imma dog it out and imma give everything ive got and will not go down" side of things and stil throwing shots like he didnt get hurt in the first place. for JJ the Tommy Fury fight will show the complete comparison of the 2. As a HUGE KSI fan i still think jake is a more complete boxer where as JJ has more Raw power and will give his opponents a hard time adjusting to his Awkward style.
It’s so 50/50 because both fighters strengths, match the other fighters weaknesses. Both could land a big one at any moment. Jake is more traditional, JJ is more reckless. If you’re a betting man, go with Jake, if you’re voting from the heart, it’s hard for me not to give it to JJ
His footwork, head movement, and stamina were the main things I came away with after the fight thinking he needed to work on a little more. Overall i thought it was a good performance by him
I can 100% see why people see massive improvements and also why people think he regressed. I think the fight is honestly a toss up jake struggled with the very unorthodox fighting of Nate ksi is also very unorthodox and if he lands that much jake won’t survive, but also jake did show some great shot selection and countered effectively at times and ksi will not be as durable as Nate so it really could go either way. If ksi is bouncy and gets in flurries then exits he could win, but if jake can manage the range and counter effectively he will win.
also not only did nate not throw any jabs but he didnt go to the body at all really. something weve seen JJ do in the past. to use this fight as a barometer to how a ksi jake fight goes i dont think is fair for either side tbh. cuz if jj lands how nate did jj wins imo, but if jake adjusts and gets better at an inside game then jake can win.
When Jake stepped up from fighting a UA-camr, a basketballer and a wrestler to Tyron Woodley - it got harder. KSI hasn't taken that step up, so on paper yous have to favour Jake.
Somethin tells me jj is gonna look completely different against tommy, his recent performances were based on him knowing his opponents didnt deserve to be in there with him, with a fury Or Jake hes gonna fight different
Its hard to say yet because we haven't seen KSI against a decent boxer. Tommy is his real test. I have to go with Jake basis on what we have today. Jake's fought better competitors Comparing KSI and Jake Paul opponents… Joe Weller < Deji Logan Paul > Gib Logan Paul > Nate Robinson Swarmz = Askren Pineda < Woodley Temperrr < Woodley Fournier < Anderson Silva/Tommy Fury/Nate Diaz Although who knows who would win time will tell who is the better boxer as Wade says I don't have those answers.
I think it’s a 50/50 fight I’m a ksi fan btw. The only issue ksi will give jake is his pressure and I don’t think jake can handle it constantly but.. if jake manages to control ksi pressure then it’ll be closer than anybody will think!
Big things improved by jake watch his last fight no footwork he has that now. Combination punches he didnt have that he has that now. His gas tank has clearly improved. No other pro has ever done 10 round fights within 8 pro fights so give props to jake paul!
I still think jake wins but The Diaz fight gives me more confidence in JJ, Nate landed an absolute ton of shots on Jake, but they were pretty weak arm punches. I agreed with what they said about jake not throwing when he was defending, and thats a dangerous game to play with JJ cause he is ultra powerful. However I don’t believe that JJ will be able to land the shot and I think Jake will be able to rock him early and get an early stoppage. I am biased and am praying for a JJ win, but I’ve gotta be realistic here
@@WTFBUTWHY I don’t believe that. Why would someone willingly let Nate Diaz punch you in the face because “it doesn’t hurt”? That doesn’t make any sense. Only reason he wouldn’t have slipped is because he was tired (he wasn’t), he was not skilled enough yet (more likely), or he was saving energy (possible but I doubt it considering getting hit, especially in the body, depletes your gas tank a ton). Not a dig at jake but of course he gonna say that rather than say hes not skilled enough
@@jamesjohnston1297 exactly. You can tell he never fought before. You know why? Because they are Tired!!! It’s easier to just dog it out with a weak puncher. Especially when you’re looking for a knock out. Jake wasn’t thinking “points”. He wanted a KO
i’m a fan a ksi but maybe jake didn’t look as good in this fight is because it was his first 10 round fight and he is adjusting to his new team, jake also said after he didn’t try to box him normally because nate wasn’t boxing
wade you forget jake does attack when people rush in, he knocked nate robinson out cold like that. Although he didn’t do that much in the Nate Diaz fight but it’s because he evolved from the duck and chuck tactic.
The wild charactaristic can still be in the Jake fight WITH added technical skill! Why doesn't KSI want to work on both? Imagine the destructiveness if he at least had good feet and knew had to throw a perfect jab (which are the only two things aside from cardio that he needs to perfect to beat Jake and maybe Tommy).
1:08:33 Sensei said how many round like tony stark said “tell me his name again” 😂 totally felt like this is it! The big and final one to end them all lmao
When it comes to willpower i think the will to win is more important in the build to the fight then it is actually during the fight. For instance i believe ksi would be more willing to go till death in the gym to make sure he wins and im not sure jake would go as far in the gym. But that doesnt mean jake is weak willed by any stretch.
The willing to do what it takes is key. The way I see it not only do you have to be willing to die in the ring but you have to want to be there. You have to enjoy it. I think whoever enjoys it more will win. KSI takes round 1 for me but anything after becomes more and more Jake. I think he likes the deep water.
Thats what Wade has been trying to do i think, so it can be the big up yours to mams taylor bcoz mams thinks he controls all of nisfits when its actually ksi who owns it. i could b wrong but for a few weeks ive been seeing wade saying many things that shows he wants to b on 09 commentary still hoping ksi takes him. obviously i could b wrong lol
More likely than not KSI will get knocked out if Jake and him fight right now. JJ is too wild to the point where he lacks technical skill and it even gets worse as the fight goes on. Whenever he's being drained of energy he gets even MORE sloppy and throws those Haymakers were all very familiar with. I don't like either of the guys more specifically Jake, but if they were to fight right now Jake wins within three rounds via knockout.
Realistically, to be logically it’s fair to think Jake could win against ksi but I think ksi would win because of his pressure, endurance and cardio. Jakes main problem is cardio and his ability to handle pressure. Ksi has the power to back his pressure and the cardio to carry on. Jakes cardio has improved but even against nate Diaz who had no power the whole fight and barely had pressure most of the rounds maybe 25-30%, Jake got combo’ed couple times and also didn’t have as much energy in the later rounds. Ksi had that cardio against Logan in the late rounds he kept the same pressure, fair enough his technique is outrageous but it works sometimes because of the awkwardness. And I don’t think it’s a breeze against Jake because he is technical and also has good shot selection and the pressure with the power n the cardio to carry on it will too much for Jake. But again it’s my opinion
how is Jakes issue cardio? Threw 500 punches in a 10 round fight. Whats KSI's highest output? When has KSI been pressured offensively? Jake and KSI are on entirely different levels.
If jj can build both a karate style + pure boxing style and switch between both styles seamlessly i think it will be extremely dangerous for anyone who fights him. Obviously difficult to achieve, but not impossible
That style is awful, he fights like an mma fighter yet you guys complain that jake can only beat mma fighters 😂 jake vs ksi is a style mismatch it’s gonna be like bud vs Spence and you’ll realize how one sided this “fight” actually is 🤦♂️
I think the reason why people are saying KSI clears Jake is because they know the level at which Jake is atm, whereas they don't truly know the level KSI is at. KSI's reputation as a fighter is still being hyped up considering how he low diff'd temper and was seemingly dominating joe fournier (before the elbow knockout). Whereas Jake has been progressing at a slower rate ever since his fight against silva and woodley. We still haven't seen KSI get truly tested ever since the logan paul fight, so this causes many people to speculate about his potential as a fighter. This is kinda similar to how Jake was hyped up and seen as the best influencer by far after knocking out ben askren and defeating tyron woodley. But ever since the Tommy fury loss, his hype as a fighter has died down a bit.
i don't know what you guys are smoking but, a 38 year old jiu jitsu practitioner, who's instincts are all for an mma fight, where his slap punches are just a set up for a take down, and he's 38 years old, well past his prime, put through the ringer many times in his career, and is frankly totally washed up, was able to go 10 rounds with jake and got punched many times and even got knocked down once, and he was still able to fight ? that just proves 2 things: A. jake is defensively unresponsive, B. he has no power in his punches whatsoever. this fight more than any other had me believing that Jake is very vulnerable and offensively lackluster !
People who can become the next ksi,jake, and logan are; (it will never be the same but yknow) Salt papi, slim, anesongib, king kenny, ishowspeed, kai cenat, adin ross, Nunes (if he decides to keep boxing), Deji, Swarmz, Walid, Deen, Jarvis, Mcbroom maybe, lmk anyone else :)
I’m a little split at the moment. After Jakes performance to Diaz it seems his ability has stagnated. But at the same time I still think we’ve seen his cardio improve, just power and accuracy be good at later rounds, and Jake have the heart and determination to not give up and win. The best way to put it, we’ll find out who could win after October 14.
The possibilities i see: KSI wins rounds 1,3,6 in a long fight. Loses decision. KSI knocks Jake out or wins by stoppage in rounds 1-3 Jake knocks KSI out in rounds 2 or 4-6
I think KSI was correct that Jakes shot selection was poor and ring IQ was slow, it took him a few rounds to adjust, however I don't think Jake has got worse and KSI is wrong on the volume close to 500 punches thrown in 10 rounds at cruiserweight that is around average for a boxer at that weight, which is one criticsm of Jake before hand was low output, it wasn't low this time.
Theoretically jake has a better resume by far over ksi , ksi has just wasted his opponents other than joe , Joe shoulda been his first or second fight ngl , then woodley and then jake and then tommy. Even if ksi some how beat tommy it don’t mean he can beat jake , styles make fights
Any opportunity wade can take to tell his viewers jake will beat ksi he will take 😂 swear I’ve heard this same conversation everytime I’m on the channel
I will say ksi vs jake will go like ryan vs davis ksi will be dominant first round but jake tries to outpace ksi n tries to use offense to cause defense probably even second too until jake uses his jab to hit ksi with a suprise shot that drops him and he loses his confidence (not saying he gets rocked he just get dropped n gets back up) ksi is a COCKY guy… so him getting dropped will kill his ego ESPECIALLY getting dropped by jake. And then into the later rounds as ksi pace and output is dropping cause he is scared of getting dropped permanently… jake starts to overwhelm ksi…potentially leading to a stoppage…if the fight is 10 rounds or 12 i see jake either winning by the 8th or 9th round by stoppage or ko or jake decision potentially leading a either 6-4 or 7-3 lead (for 10 rounds). Or a 8-4 lead🤷🏽♂️. Jake is a great counter puncher if jake works on using his jab more and his defense cause jake offense looks amazing jake can be the ultimate counter to ksi “endless” offense.
The argument from KSI is really dumb, there are so many amazing boxers that dont jab often (ie canelo), jakes output was the HIGHEST it has ever been, and the cardio was MUCH improved
Honestly we cant even say who would win because we havent seen ksi beeing tested yet. And the one time ksi was tested against logan he almost lost and had luck with the referee
Unless im misremembering, didn't Woodley very nearly stop Jake in one of their fights? Jake recovered pretty well considering how close he was to being stopped. Now on the flip side JJ is a much better finisher than Woodley was in that fight, so i dont know how accurate an example that is.
The biggest thing I think KSI has got going for him is the speed. Jake has always fought at a slow pace, look at the Woodley fights, the Silva fights, the Diaz fights, because his opponents don't effectively pressure him. Silva was easily dodging and got Jake in a bad position but didn't capitalize at all, even Nate had Jake head down, covering up while he just threw little baby punches. Seeing how aggressive, fast and powerful JJ is, I don't think he lets him survive in that position. Ofc lot of things for Jake to beat JJ too, mainly defensively. JJ just has his hands down flailing around swinging no guard barely any head movement so easy for Jake to catch him even once with a big one, that is if Tommy Fury doesn't concuss him first.
The MCU comparison doesn't work. It's not just because the movies aren't about the big names, it's because the movies have not been good. The MCU is currently building up to the next big event. The hype will likely be back.
As far as I can tell now Jake wins all day. He has massive more experience and has had tough as hell fights. He has also been laser focused on boxing and nothing else.
hot take-I wish Jake and KSI fought first and were the ones to become friends. Jake is so much more tolerable-big ego yes, and his choice of fights are irksome. That said, he’s not an outright scammer who has faked personal development multiple times. Sucks to see that the two guys with some level of authenticity are beefing while the one without plays the middle.
So for me personally there are like 3 tiers of fighters, each tier with 2 brackets.. and I rate the fighter off 3 categories. The 3 tiers are Celebrity/Influencer, Crossover/Amature, and Pro. The categories are Skills, Technique, Drive/Will. For me Jakes Skills and Technique are at the higher bracket of Amature, and Drive/Will is at Pro so I'd say overall he lies between Amature 2B and Pro 1B. KSI's Skills and Technique are at Lower Bracket of Amature, and his Drive/Will is at Pro. So I'd say he comfortable sits at Amature 2B overall. Which is slightly below Jake. Now I'll explain my reasoning for the rating for the Skills & Technique but not the Drive/Will because well that explains itself.. anyway the reason I rate them the way I do is actually because I think both of them have and still are coming to terms with the different tiers of fighters. So I think both of them, just at a different rate were actually more like a Pro in Skills with Influencer level Technique before "X" Fight.. For Jake that was Woodley 1, for KSI that was Fournier.. and I think they had to recalibrate their Technique which dropped their innate Skills naturally through retraining Technique which for Jake he has now done twice because of Tommy and now I think Jake is just 1 step ahead of KSI on the right track to improving Skills/Technique to go to that 3rd tier of Pro.
Wade: do you think? Sensei: JJ has that determination.... Wade cuts Sensei off: Yeah but Jake. Sensei: I agree. However let me explain.... Wade talks over Sensei: So do you think? Pretty much the entire podcast. Wade asks questions, but doesn't allow him to speak 😂
So true lol. Love the Breakdown boys but this whole thing was pretty irritating to listen to. I’m a person who believes KSI vs. Jake Paul is a fight that definitely leans towards Mr. Paul, however, there are ways for KSI to win. I don’t think Wade likes the idea of KSI winning at all.
@@hugosteenhuisen7291 he looked gassed by the 2-4 round he was going on heart he was gassed, Nate was giving him breaks, ksi will not stop coming forward with power, idk how jake is gonna deal with it
@@keithromero7181Jake wasn’t gassed stop that false narrative.. plus when did ksi go more than 6 rounds? Never and Jake just did 10. Ksi will also miss a lot of his haymakers and eventually that will tire him out especially if he gets caught
For me, it al depends on how Ksi fights. Jake is the better boxer, but ive always thought that Ksi could grind out a win with his work rate and pressure. But, the problem now is this karate style Ksi has been using lately. Say what you want about Jakes skill base as a whole, but hes actually a good little counter puncher. His timing and speed are very good, especially for someone whos still very new to boxing. I still think that Ksi could grind out a win against Jake but if he goes in there biuncing around trying to explode into range against Jake, Jakes gonna catch him and it could be over very quickly (im talking first three rounds early).
I got jj, I can see his pressure alongside his power being a major asset in the fight, jake is a good fighter but I believe he hasn’t had that kind of pressure before with someone that can throw sleeper punches, gotta wait to see the tommy fight though
@@WinterMan.put in my place lol that wasn’t even on this channel lade was coping and lashed out emotionally, you have 1K comments on this channel alone but I’m obsessed because I have 60 on the breakdown? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Stop being terminally online
@@Calmzat Lol 1) thats bcoz i been subd here for ages 2) i didn't leave 1k comments in the main comment section, they r mostly replies or debates i had with LSI meat riders 3) get your tongue out of mammy taylor's azz 🤣
So serious question how does wade put up with Faze Sensei during podcasts? He constantly interrupts wade and talks over him. His views are obviously valid and he gives good perspective to things, but it just seems really rude to me
Jake still has power but the better the opposition was the less the power was as crazy as it used to look. Ksi is going to deal with the same problem. Jake still has power but knows how to distribute it and connect it with Timing, ksi isn’t there yet with timing and he isn’t close, he’s like a full back hitting the a gap on the line of scrimmage @wade
Jake is no doubt becoming a more complete fighter. - Respect to both fighters. - Our Expectation from influencer turn into boxer has increased but when I see KSI I feel disappointed where Jake is upto the audience expectations. - As compared to Ksi we clearly see Jake has got more Progress in the fight. Now he needs a few new Technical that will work like cherry on top. Still, I remember from. Tommy fight. 1. Opponent Jab worked really good on jake. 2. Opponent takes jake right hand and still comes forward and diliver 2-3 liver punch by closing the distance. 3. I feels missing Jake intelligence for the opponent to makes unpredictable for opponent. (I have only seen straight forward intelligence from user perspective.) 4. I have not seen jake Closing distance from outside to inside in very short time.
I’d say unanimous decision to Jake based on his technicality being ahead of JJ. JJ would have to knock him out to win, I don’t think he’d be able to do so because Jake can firm a punch.
I mean it all depends on how KSI performs against Tommy. Theres a chance were legitmately never getting Jake vs KSI. I think the main thing that make people think Ksi now jas a better chance is that the power difference of Nates pressure and Ksi will be the x factor for him.
Jake looked very good, but all I could see the whole fight was how bad nate was. He looked really bad as a boxer, but had a durable chin and the stamina to make the challenge just for jake to be in the ring 10 rounds. Which is an accomplishment and really great experience for jake. But it was just tough seeing how bad nate was at boxing
I still want to know who tf KSI has even beat to talk like that💀 Sure Jake Paul might have beat retired or old fighters, but thats where Jake has KSI beat. He is fighting people witg actual experiance, where KSI has beat your average 9-5 costco employees excluding Logan Paul💀 Dude is such a joke.
ksi hasnt even fought someone who understand the basic fundementals of boxing let alone can box. jake fought woodley twice and anderson silva and silva has a good chance of beating ksi
In my opinion this fight is 50/50 There is a few things I saw in ksi’s fight against Fournier. Ksi’s jab is getting a lot better and he perrys and then jab he is very quick on his feet. I get why people think jake should win. I Just personally think it’s 50/50
I think the fight raised more questions than it answered. Jake looked a far better boxer all round with movement & shot selection which should raise concerns for KSI. BUT Jake again looked awful moving backwards and in the later half of the fight especially, he let Nate into a lot of inside positions that if Nate had power behind his shots would have been really punishing and probably should have sparked him with. Ultimately Jake’s showed a lot of positives but also showed a lot of opportunity for KSI to succeed with his pace, power and style.
But In that same argument did he let Nate inside cos he knew his power wasn’t there? We know Tommy didn’t get inside that much cos he respected tommys power much more
Regardless of what people think the outcome will be, one thing is for sure is that KSI vs Jake Paul must happen in early 2024. The hype has been built for long enough, both fighters are active and fans are beginning to lose their patience.
I don’t see it happening
@@JackHolden-j7pyeh same as much as I want it to happen I just don’t see it
it's not gon happen unfortunately
@@itswyattlulyeah coz KSI knows he dosent have the ability to beat Tommy let alone Jake
i heard the same thing years ago
I Think it is very difficult to determine the level that JJ is at right now simply because we havent seen him face a tough opponent, I think we will get a clearer idea on who is better between Jake and JJ after the Tommy fight.
Tommy wins but it goes on how badly he beats jj, if jj puts up a good performance then the Jake Paul fight could still happen.
Ksi says he's better than any influencer boxer that's lost a fight just because he has zero losses,he needs to be humbled
@@the-monocle As much as you say KSI needs to be humbled,I think his ego is the reason as to why he suceeds because he has belief in himself that he takes out any oppenent in the influencers scene
@@dentyph5169 True JJ isnt expected to win this fight but regardless of the outcome of JJ v Tommy the JJ v Jake fight should happen, end the debate as to who is better its been too long now
@@thomasfrost2723his only impressive win was 4 years ago tho 😊
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If KSI loses to Tommy Fury, he NEEDS to fight Jake. If he doesnt accept a Jake Paul fight, hes ducking. If Jake Paul doesnt accept the KSI fight, hes ducking.
The fight NEEDS to happen no later than June 2024
nah mate this fight anit happening both have to big of an ego 😂
Thing is both of them will just say that it's the other who isn't accepting so at this point they're both just ducking each other
If? You mean when*
Jake Paul isn’t “DUCKING” ksi for the same reason ksi would be
Fighting KSI would be going backwards for Jake
while you guys debate about who ducking who, both of them are probably hanging out on some yatch together counting the millions they have been making from this fake beef 🤣🤣🤣
Bob the builder jumps in the ring and beats both
And Bob the Builder is Pineda's middle name for those who don't know
Ksi fanboy cope😂
@@zeeshaanhussain4521how does this funny comment point to you that they are a fan of either lmao 😂
@@pianokey3497 just baiting a ksi fanboy.
Nah Bob the builder doesn't pull numbers in my opinion
Wait, people are saying Jake regressed in that last fight? That's wild. Jake (to me) look like he stagnated for a while. From Woodley 1 and 2, through Fury, he looked a bit better overall on offense, but looked HORRIBLE when he got pressed. He could fight going backwards, but couldn't fight when he got stuck on the ropes, and was terrible at avoiding getting stuck in the ropes. He looked WAY better on both of those fronts in this last fight.
It's because a lot of people in this scene have a SUPER black and white way of looking at combat sports because of tribalism over their favorite creator(KSI's extremely vocally toxic fans usually, obv not all of them), and boxing purists. For some reason people can't just say Jake is progressing well without catching shit for it, no matter how true it is.
It's fair to say that we have more of a grasp on how good Jake is compared to KSI which is why people rank him above him, and it's also fair to say this is the first time we'll actually be able to compare the two because this is KSI's first real, competitive fight since Logan.
Jake was definitely more complete here than against Fury. The amount of people saying he sucks because he couldn't sleep Diaz is hilarious because they very obviously don't know who Nate Diaz is.
I think partly why some people hate on the fight is he didn't get the KO and that he slowed his pace down.
But I definitely think this shows groundwork for a much more dangerous Jake Paul. One who has more variety and weapons in his arsenal.
Anyone who says he regressed or looks worse is either just lying to not give him credit, knows nothing abt boxing, or is just a hater. KSI saying what he said sounds like he doesn’t know or hasn’t watched jakes fights. He was hands down better, looked more like a boxer than ever, threw almost 500 shots over 10 rounds and didn’t gas. Like KSI doesn’t know u do different things based on the opponent ur fighting. I almost think KSI thinks u just go for ko’s or he’s just trolling. Has he seen his own fights? He’s a new boxer and doesn’t look good. Jake is the better boxer. That said it doesn’t mean KSI can’t win bc jake does struggle when he’s getting hit w a barrage of shots which KSI does. They just need to fight before we no longer care.
@@itsprecepthow dare you come on here w a very reasonable and well thought out opinion! One thing I’ve learned is 99% of fans and even influencer boxers don’t know much abt boxing.
@@shaunadams6611 I just hate how a lot of tribalism in this community stifles meaningful discussions. Especially because nobody in this scene can just chill with high praises because somehow the super toxic KSI fans will swoop in and say "BUT THEY AREN'T EVER BEATING KSI" and downplay them at every turn.
It happens with Jake, it happens with Salt Papi, it happens with Slim, it happens with Anthony Taylor........I hate how people in this scene don't wanna see greatness exist in more than one form.
Lets not forget Tommy is gonna improve too just like ksi and jake paul...... This is gonna be tougher than I thought
Some people don’t think so which I disagree, Tommy’s family won’t let him slack off, even his dad has publicly stated how the fight with KSI could be tougher than they think, all Tommy needs to do to be significantly better is following up his jabs and specifically in a defensive manner. He kept falling into the same trap of getting clipped with Jakes jab and over hand because he’d never had anyone set up shots like that, I think if he can fix that issue, it’ll be a much easier night for him, plus he’s shown to have an impressive chin
Joe Fournier, starting to have some success in round 2 against KSI, needs to be mentioned more. No matter how good KSI's cardio is, he will slow down due to his style.
Lmao what success
@@Tom-js3izbasically in the second round of that fight, Joe was starting to time KSI’s jabs and punches pretty well and Joe is much worse than Jake and Tommy so if you’re a KSI fan, it’s something to be worried about. I think Joe had a chance to make it past the second if he didn’t try to clinch, I think he should’ve just ran around the ring and stalled for time and then waited for a better moment to clinch, either way KSI would’ve won but Joe could’ve made it last longer if he was better. I don’t see KSI winning against Tommy since those kinds of opens will definitely be exploited during their fight but it does make the debate between him and Jake much more interesting
@@Tom-js3izDidn't say it was a lot of success, but he was starting to find his timing and land a little before the elbow. Compare it to the first round, where he looked completely out of his depth.
Who knows exactly what would've happened if the elbow didn't land. I think KSI still would've won, but Joe ate big shots and was still standing.
Wouldn’t call it success it could be a potential of success. Joe mabye timed two jabs in that second round
@@MAT-wn5fr After the overhand Joe was rocked, KSI gets his glove on that and it's the same result.
It's so difficult because I feel like we all know exactly who Jake is as a fighter, but we still know so little about KSI. He hasn't been tested at all. Tyron Woodley, if they hypothetically fought, would be KSI's hardest oppoenent by far, but for Jake, he's taken tougher fights against Silva, Fury, and Diaz. So once KSI finally gets an actually test against Tommy, we will finally have more of an idea of how a KSI vs Jake fight will go.
Tommy fury is gonna be Ksi's hardest opponent
@@jorgegc7332 Tyron Woodley, if they hypothetically fought, would be harder than anyone KSI has fought so far. KSI hasn’t fought Tommy Fury yet.
KSI fans are the only ones saying his performance was poor. I saw a more complete boxer in Jake this fight.
they watched MMA hour ksi being interviewed by Ariel and they r repeating all the nonsense ksi said on there.
yeah, literally everyone that actually knows boxing says that was a good performance from Jake. And the funny thing is, that was Jake's warmup fight to get back on a winning streak and test his new skills. If you have nate diaz as a warmup fight that is insane. Ksi's warmup fights were Swarmz, Pineda, Tempera and Fournier who all suck and would get mauled by Nate Diaz
agreed
Agreed
@@nab4205nah ong u just spoke straight facts
People don't realize that jj has ran from a lion without food or water for days and survived. Has jake done that? I think not. Jj win easily.
He also cries and goes berserk when he sees a small insect, definitely got jj winning if there is a insect flying in the ring
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If we factor in power scaling, then KSI has canonically beaten Thanos in a Reddit video therefore giving scaling him above a Marvel high tier. In conclusion, KSI should stomp Jake within the first millisecond of round 1.
Checkmate Jake Paul fans.
Jake Beats KSI
What the fuck does that have to do with boxing??
Jake Paul wins right now, simple. Let’s see how JJ does against Timmy before we jump to conclusions.
Agreed we have to see him get tested first
I don't even know anymore. I've been saying that it would be a close fight from way before ksi came back to boxing. I'd still lean towards Jake, but it'd be a fun close fight
Timmy Firy
That's not how fighting works. Comments like these are so fking stupid.
There's no way to tell who would win right now.
I agree..and I can't stand Fake Paul but he would beat the bag out of JJ
Crazy how short of time you and sensei have known each other, seems like you guys have been doing this since forever. Best coverage channel in the UA-cam sports scene 👌
So a lot of people are saying that Jake regressed apparently which isn't true cause When's the last time Jake was looking at his opponent landing fluid shots? Especially during the 5th round after he dropped Nate where he was landing on will on Nate, the uppercut, 1-2-1-1. Every other time (Woodley 1&2, Silva, & Tommy) he's duck his head, smoother himself from any opposition to land anything. His eye coordination has gotten better, he's not overextending on damn near EVERY single shot, landing punches in the phone booth, etc. It ain't perfect but he is getting better, just even the smallest improvements can have a big success.
Most of them are KSI wankers, Jake looked way worse against Tommy, ducking his head, spamming one punch, not looking at his opponent when throwing etc, He improve a lot against Nate.
@@ryanleonidas6839yea I feel the same in my opinion, was shocked at the mass reaction after the fight, but I know I shouldn’t have been
@@ryanleonidas6839 Joke Paul fan detected 😭😭💀
I don't think Jake Paul regressed, but he is definitely not that good. As a boxer nate is absolutely terrible. He doesn't even know how to throw a jab or a basic 1-2. He walks into range. Can't cut of the ring and throws arm punches.
With all these disadvantages and being well past his prime he still had a competitive fight with Jake. Jake was supposed to ko or tko nate. Jake's performance was not impressive but he has improved
@@Bjjboxing wasnt competitive tbh, Jake dominated by a landslide
I think Wade should create some discord to allow his fans to have their own debates in
i second this
He literally does lol. im in it
@@darthmaul5068what is it?
@@darthmaul5068you have link?
What you havent mentioned is that this influencer boxing came out of online beef between influencers. What we need is two big name influencers to have a massive drama and rivalry, and then decide to settle it in the ring.
Thats the only way to replace KSI and Jake.
I think 1 has to be out of Kai Cenat/Speed
tate v Logan would be 10 x bigger
You need influencers with a big platform and athletic potential. It's hard to see Mr Beast doing it. Joe Rogan never would, but him VS Andrew Tate for charity would break the internet.
I’ve watched all of Jakes fights & he progresses every fight. He’s come along way from that first fight. He lives, breaths & eats boxing. It’s obvious he’s very passionate about it by the effort he puts into his training. It’s made me have a new found respect for him as a “boxer.”
I wrestled & boxed in HS, then started training Muay Thai, boxing & BJJ at a local gym. Just training & sparring is tough enough & it takes a lot of dedication. If you’re not in there at least 4-5x a week, you can barley get through a class. I respect anybody that has the balls to step into a ring & fight or train for hobby. So I don’t hate on any of these guys whether I like them or not. 🤷🏻♂️
Jake Wins. Go watch the Fournier vs KSI fight back. That right there is uppercut city, everytime he punches his head goes down with no guard. I don't understand how ppl watch this and think he can "destroy" Jake Paul. KSI even turned his back when he fought Fournier. I want KSI to win but i don't see it happening. KSI has one thing and that is POWER. If KSI doesn't knock Jake out. Jake Wins.
Yeah but obviously in sparring he’ll be training more smarter for jake, he did need to have his hands up against fraudnier
Jake consistently gets tagged by uppercuts
@@lolcow6668almost every decent shot he lands gets his opponents attention what are you talking about? You gotta be a hater to say that man don’t got power
@@lolcow6668didnt ksi ko temperr?
KSI turned his back because he threw a shot and in the middle of it Fournier ducked and like ran towards him in a tackling motion. And it wasn’t a turned back more of a turned side. But a weird boxing move from Fournier caused a weird boxing reaction from KSI.
36:19 i wanna add on too this, Tyrone Woodley 1 with the right hook that put jake on the ropes could be a great example of what jake does compared to JJ , Jake is more on survival defense mode staying on the outside with his guard up jabbing to get the opponent out of reach while JJ is more on the "imma dog it out and imma give everything ive got and will not go down" side of things and stil throwing shots like he didnt get hurt in the first place. for JJ the Tommy Fury fight will show the complete comparison of the 2. As a HUGE KSI fan i still think jake is a more complete boxer where as JJ has more Raw power and will give his opponents a hard time adjusting to his Awkward style.
You can tell the difference if how both Sensei and Wade speak about KSI. Sensei speaks with a lot of optimism, Wade speaks with a lot of cynicism.
wade is just speaking facts. ksi isnt that good
@@tsgrapiidz6970 tell me when he didnt give ksi the right amount of credit
@@lolcow6668 I’m observing how they speak…. If anyone is glazing, it’s how overhyped Wade makes Jake
Been a fan of u for so long glad to see your happy
It’s so 50/50 because both fighters strengths, match the other fighters weaknesses. Both could land a big one at any moment. Jake is more traditional, JJ is more reckless. If you’re a betting man, go with Jake, if you’re voting from the heart, it’s hard for me not to give it to JJ
His footwork, head movement, and stamina were the main things I came away with after the fight thinking he needed to work on a little more. Overall i thought it was a good performance by him
I can 100% see why people see massive improvements and also why people think he regressed. I think the fight is honestly a toss up jake struggled with the very unorthodox fighting of Nate ksi is also very unorthodox and if he lands that much jake won’t survive, but also jake did show some great shot selection and countered effectively at times and ksi will not be as durable as Nate so it really could go either way. If ksi is bouncy and gets in flurries then exits he could win, but if jake can manage the range and counter effectively he will win.
@@lolcow6668 lolfatcow*
@@lolcow6668Jake paul meatrider😂
@@tsgrapiidz6970 explain to me where I said anything about jake knocked people out in one shot?
@@tsgrapiidz6970 oh okay that makes more sense all good
@@lolcow6668ur choking on it lil bro
also not only did nate not throw any jabs but he didnt go to the body at all really. something weve seen JJ do in the past. to use this fight as a barometer to how a ksi jake fight goes i dont think is fair for either side tbh. cuz if jj lands how nate did jj wins imo, but if jake adjusts and gets better at an inside game then jake can win.
Wade, The most level headed guy in this whole influencer boxing scene. No bias no bs
Laughable.
Haha you are definitely trolling and I love it
@@williamwarrenburg8134who is more level headed and non biased?
When Jake stepped up from fighting a UA-camr, a basketballer and a wrestler to Tyron Woodley - it got harder.
KSI hasn't taken that step up, so on paper yous have to favour Jake.
Trying to knock out Diaz is about like trying to kill a zombie by punching it with whatever oz boxing gloves lmao
Dayum an hour?? We EATIN today
Somethin tells me jj is gonna look completely different against tommy, his recent performances were based on him knowing his opponents didnt deserve to be in there with him, with a fury Or Jake hes gonna fight different
Its hard to say yet because we haven't seen KSI against a decent boxer. Tommy is his real test. I have to go with Jake basis on what we have today. Jake's fought better competitors
Comparing KSI and Jake Paul opponents…
Joe Weller < Deji
Logan Paul > Gib
Logan Paul > Nate Robinson
Swarmz = Askren
Pineda < Woodley
Temperrr < Woodley
Fournier < Anderson Silva/Tommy Fury/Nate Diaz
Although who knows who would win time will tell who is the better boxer as Wade says I don't have those answers.
I would say Askren was better at that time then Swarmz
@@heightpolice6852nah the same
Fournier beats Diaz
@@BONNIE12YT your chatting bull mate
I think it’s a 50/50 fight I’m a ksi fan btw. The only issue ksi will give jake is his pressure and I don’t think jake can handle it constantly but.. if jake manages to control ksi pressure then it’ll be closer than anybody will think!
Big things improved by jake watch his last fight no footwork he has that now. Combination punches he didnt have that he has that now. His gas tank has clearly improved. No other pro has ever done 10 round fights within 8 pro fights so give props to jake paul!
I still think jake wins but The Diaz fight gives me more confidence in JJ, Nate landed an absolute ton of shots on Jake, but they were pretty weak arm punches. I agreed with what they said about jake not throwing when he was defending, and thats a dangerous game to play with JJ cause he is ultra powerful. However I don’t believe that JJ will be able to land the shot and I think Jake will be able to rock him early and get an early stoppage. I am biased and am praying for a JJ win, but I’ve gotta be realistic here
Jake said because they did zero damage. So he just let him so he tires out.
He coulda slipped a lot of them if he wanted
@@WTFBUTWHY I don’t believe that. Why would someone willingly let Nate Diaz punch you in the face because “it doesn’t hurt”? That doesn’t make any sense. Only reason he wouldn’t have slipped is because he was tired (he wasn’t), he was not skilled enough yet (more likely), or he was saving energy (possible but I doubt it considering getting hit, especially in the body, depletes your gas tank a ton). Not a dig at jake but of course he gonna say that rather than say hes not skilled enough
Even world-level boxers are guilty of letting weaker punchers land too many hits.
@@jamesjohnston1297 exactly.
You can tell he never fought before.
You know why? Because they are Tired!!!
It’s easier to just dog it out with a weak puncher. Especially when you’re looking for a knock out.
Jake wasn’t thinking “points”. He wanted a KO
@@WTFBUTWHYthe whole point of boxing is to hit and not get hit so I can say that is clear bs
i’m a fan a ksi but maybe jake didn’t look as good in this fight is because it was his first 10 round fight and he is adjusting to his new team, jake also said after he didn’t try to box him normally because nate wasn’t boxing
Love the debate series!
wade you forget jake does attack when people rush in, he knocked nate robinson out cold like that. Although he didn’t do that much in the Nate Diaz fight but it’s because he evolved from the duck and chuck tactic.
I’m surprised sensei could even pay attention to the fight with that Ben guy interviewing him the entire time
The wild charactaristic can still be in the Jake fight WITH added technical skill! Why doesn't KSI want to work on both? Imagine the destructiveness if he at least had good feet and knew had to throw a perfect jab (which are the only two things aside from cardio that he needs to perfect to beat Jake and maybe Tommy).
I thought jake looked great and proved way more with how smart he fought. Not to mention the cardio and experience he gained.
Jake would kill Ksi bro
😂😂😂😂 and the world is flat
@@MoonManMMA Dont kid yourself man. No bias look at the performance of each of them. As much as i dont want it to be true Ksi would lose
Wtf happened to KSI's voice on the MMA hour clip 😂😂
1:08:33 Sensei said how many round like tony stark said “tell me his name again” 😂 totally felt like this is it! The big and final one to end them all lmao
We’re in the endgame now…
When it comes to willpower i think the will to win is more important in the build to the fight then it is actually during the fight. For instance i believe ksi would be more willing to go till death in the gym to make sure he wins and im not sure jake would go as far in the gym. But that doesnt mean jake is weak willed by any stretch.
The willing to do what it takes is key. The way I see it not only do you have to be willing to die in the ring but you have to want to be there. You have to enjoy it.
I think whoever enjoys it more will win. KSI takes round 1 for me but anything after becomes more and more Jake. I think he likes the deep water.
Imagine if wade commentates this fight
itll probably be keem unfortunately but that would be sick
@@YousufS16I wouldn’t be surprised if keem manages too, misfits loves 🍆 riders and keem is a huge one
Thats what Wade has been trying to do i think, so it can be the big up yours to mams taylor bcoz mams thinks he controls all of nisfits when its actually ksi who owns it. i could b wrong but for a few weeks ive been seeing wade saying many things that shows he wants to b on 09 commentary still hoping ksi takes him. obviously i could b wrong lol
That will never happen
@@platinumpete5160hope not keem sucks at commentary
Y’all forgot abt when jakes head got cut open in the second fight
More likely than not KSI will get knocked out if Jake and him fight right now. JJ is too wild to the point where he lacks technical skill and it even gets worse as the fight goes on. Whenever he's being drained of energy he gets even MORE sloppy and throws those Haymakers were all very familiar with. I don't like either of the guys more specifically Jake, but if they were to fight right now Jake wins within three rounds via knockout.
have jake inside of 6
Realistically, to be logically it’s fair to think Jake could win against ksi but I think ksi would win because of his pressure, endurance and cardio. Jakes main problem is cardio and his ability to handle pressure. Ksi has the power to back his pressure and the cardio to carry on. Jakes cardio has improved but even against nate Diaz who had no power the whole fight and barely had pressure most of the rounds maybe 25-30%, Jake got combo’ed couple times and also didn’t have as much energy in the later rounds. Ksi had that cardio against Logan in the late rounds he kept the same pressure, fair enough his technique is outrageous but it works sometimes because of the awkwardness. And I don’t think it’s a breeze against Jake because he is technical and also has good shot selection and the pressure with the power n the cardio to carry on it will too much for Jake. But again it’s my opinion
Wades issue is thinking jake some flawless who aint gonna get tag
how is Jakes issue cardio? Threw 500 punches in a 10 round fight. Whats KSI's highest output? When has KSI been pressured offensively? Jake and KSI are on entirely different levels.
Jake just went ten rounds with Nate, ksi hasn’t gone more than 6 rounds since 2019, that cardio statement all ksi fans say hasn’t been proven.
If jj can build both a karate style + pure boxing style and switch between both styles seamlessly i think it will be extremely dangerous for anyone who fights him. Obviously difficult to achieve, but not impossible
Not for Tommy Fury. But yes, dangerous for anyone in YT Boxing
That style is awful, he fights like an mma fighter yet you guys complain that jake can only beat mma fighters 😂 jake vs ksi is a style mismatch it’s gonna be like bud vs Spence and you’ll realize how one sided this “fight” actually is 🤦♂️
Loving these debates. Keep em coming, im here for it. I soo want you back in the misfits scene. Hopefully you come back.
I think the reason why people are saying KSI clears Jake is because they know the level at which Jake is atm, whereas they don't truly know the level KSI is at. KSI's reputation as a fighter is still being hyped up considering how he low diff'd temper and was seemingly dominating joe fournier (before the elbow knockout). Whereas Jake has been progressing at a slower rate ever since his fight against silva and woodley. We still haven't seen KSI get truly tested ever since the logan paul fight, so this causes many people to speculate about his potential as a fighter.
This is kinda similar to how Jake was hyped up and seen as the best influencer by far after knocking out ben askren and defeating tyron woodley. But ever since the Tommy fury loss, his hype as a fighter has died down a bit.
i don't know what you guys are smoking but, a 38 year old jiu jitsu practitioner, who's instincts are all for an mma fight, where his slap punches are just a set up for a take down, and he's 38 years old, well past his prime, put through the ringer many times in his career, and is frankly totally washed up, was able to go 10 rounds with jake and got punched many times and even got knocked down once, and he was still able to fight ? that just proves 2 things: A. jake is defensively unresponsive, B. he has no power in his punches whatsoever.
this fight more than any other had me believing that Jake is very vulnerable and offensively lackluster !
People who can become the next ksi,jake, and logan are; (it will never be the same but yknow)
Salt papi, slim, anesongib, king kenny, ishowspeed, kai cenat, adin ross, Nunes (if he decides to keep boxing), Deji, Swarmz, Walid, Deen, Jarvis, Mcbroom maybe, lmk anyone else :)
This is insane. Jake is miles better but neither of them would get into an Olympic team.
everybody will keep doubting ksi and he gonna keep proving them wrong
doesnt work like that lmao
Yea no shit when he's been fighting nobodies
@@kairodumba7924 watch he will knockout tommy
@@darshsrivastava8939 when the fight happens and he does knock tommy out then you can talk. But for now stop sucking him off
@@darshsrivastava8939 you mean when tommy knockouts ksi
I’m a little split at the moment. After Jakes performance to Diaz it seems his ability has stagnated. But at the same time I still think we’ve seen his cardio improve, just power and accuracy be good at later rounds, and Jake have the heart and determination to not give up and win. The best way to put it, we’ll find out who could win after October 14.
His cardio was ass in the later rounds. That's why nate started landing more shots in the later rounds and jake was getting rocked
Bro use common sense
@@justinmarc323nate becomes better as the fight goes on. Have u not seen any of his ufc fights?
@@justinmarc323 jake was not getting rocked, nates boxing abilty is terrible and he was pretty much just slapping jake the whole match.
True but he beat a guy who wasnt good. Tommy was decent and jake gassed out
Some people dont think so but jake looked great in that fight, like a real boxer for sure, ksi still looks like an influencer boxer
The possibilities i see:
KSI wins rounds 1,3,6 in a long fight. Loses decision.
KSI knocks Jake out or wins by stoppage in rounds 1-3
Jake knocks KSI out in rounds 2 or 4-6
Nothing but Ws here wade
Waiting for the KSI vs Jake Paul fight is like waiting for GTA 6 to come out...
I think KSI was correct that Jakes shot selection was poor and ring IQ was slow, it took him a few rounds to adjust, however I don't think Jake has got worse and KSI is wrong on the volume close to 500 punches thrown in 10 rounds at cruiserweight that is around average for a boxer at that weight, which is one criticsm of Jake before hand was low output, it wasn't low this time.
Or just use an elbow like KSI. 😂
@@PMraz do you have anything of substance to add
I wouldn't say that
wade your a living legend man
I wonder how long it’ll be till Wade gets an opportunity to commentate a Darts event 😂😂
Theoretically jake has a better resume by far over ksi , ksi has just wasted his opponents other than joe , Joe shoulda been his first or second fight ngl , then woodley and then jake and then tommy. Even if ksi some how beat tommy it don’t mean he can beat jake , styles make fights
You need to interview Jake again
Any opportunity wade can take to tell his viewers jake will beat ksi he will take 😂 swear I’ve heard this same conversation everytime I’m on the channel
I feel like no knock outs maybe a knock down but not a knock out so it would go to decision by jake as the winner
I will say ksi vs jake will go like ryan vs davis ksi will be dominant first round but jake tries to outpace ksi n tries to use offense to cause defense probably even second too until jake uses his jab to hit ksi with a suprise shot that drops him and he loses his confidence (not saying he gets rocked he just get dropped n gets back up) ksi is a COCKY guy… so him getting dropped will kill his ego ESPECIALLY getting dropped by jake. And then into the later rounds as ksi pace and output is dropping cause he is scared of getting dropped permanently… jake starts to overwhelm ksi…potentially leading to a stoppage…if the fight is 10 rounds or 12 i see jake either winning by the 8th or 9th round by stoppage or ko or jake decision potentially leading a either 6-4 or 7-3 lead (for 10 rounds). Or a 8-4 lead🤷🏽♂️. Jake is a great counter puncher if jake works on using his jab more and his defense cause jake offense looks amazing jake can be the ultimate counter to ksi “endless” offense.
I can even see jake getting dropped early then him getting it back in like round 4 or 5
The argument from KSI is really dumb, there are so many amazing boxers that dont jab often (ie canelo), jakes output was the HIGHEST it has ever been, and the cardio was MUCH improved
Honestly we cant even say who would win because we havent seen ksi beeing tested yet. And the one time ksi was tested against logan he almost lost and had luck with the referee
Love these videos keep this series going
Unless im misremembering, didn't Woodley very nearly stop Jake in one of their fights?
Jake recovered pretty well considering how close he was to being stopped. Now on the flip side JJ is a much better finisher than Woodley was in that fight, so i dont know how accurate an example that is.
The biggest thing I think KSI has got going for him is the speed. Jake has always fought at a slow pace, look at the Woodley fights, the Silva fights, the Diaz fights, because his opponents don't effectively pressure him. Silva was easily dodging and got Jake in a bad position but didn't capitalize at all, even Nate had Jake head down, covering up while he just threw little baby punches. Seeing how aggressive, fast and powerful JJ is, I don't think he lets him survive in that position. Ofc lot of things for Jake to beat JJ too, mainly defensively. JJ just has his hands down flailing around swinging no guard barely any head movement so easy for Jake to catch him even once with a big one, that is if Tommy Fury doesn't concuss him first.
The MCU comparison doesn't work. It's not just because the movies aren't about the big names, it's because the movies have not been good. The MCU is currently building up to the next big event. The hype will likely be back.
As far as I can tell now Jake wins all day. He has massive more experience and has had tough as hell fights. He has also been laser focused on boxing and nothing else.
hot take-I wish Jake and KSI fought first and were the ones to become friends. Jake is so much more tolerable-big ego yes, and his choice of fights are irksome. That said, he’s not an outright scammer who has faked personal development multiple times. Sucks to see that the two guys with some level of authenticity are beefing while the one without plays the middle.
Tbf to jake his opponents make sense for how long he’s boxed
And as for that survivor tag🤦♂️ what’s next a WWE cage match featuring the undertaker.
So for me personally there are like 3 tiers of fighters, each tier with 2 brackets.. and I rate the fighter off 3 categories. The 3 tiers are Celebrity/Influencer, Crossover/Amature, and Pro. The categories are Skills, Technique, Drive/Will. For me Jakes Skills and Technique are at the higher bracket of Amature, and Drive/Will is at Pro so I'd say overall he lies between Amature 2B and Pro 1B. KSI's Skills and Technique are at Lower Bracket of Amature, and his Drive/Will is at Pro. So I'd say he comfortable sits at Amature 2B overall. Which is slightly below Jake.
Now I'll explain my reasoning for the rating for the Skills & Technique but not the Drive/Will because well that explains itself.. anyway the reason I rate them the way I do is actually because I think both of them have and still are coming to terms with the different tiers of fighters. So I think both of them, just at a different rate were actually more like a Pro in Skills with Influencer level Technique before "X" Fight.. For Jake that was Woodley 1, for KSI that was Fournier.. and I think they had to recalibrate their Technique which dropped their innate Skills naturally through retraining Technique which for Jake he has now done twice because of Tommy and now I think Jake is just 1 step ahead of KSI on the right track to improving Skills/Technique to go to that 3rd tier of Pro.
Wade: do you think?
Sensei: JJ has that determination....
Wade cuts Sensei off: Yeah but Jake.
Sensei: I agree. However let me explain....
Wade talks over Sensei: So do you think?
Pretty much the entire podcast. Wade asks questions, but doesn't allow him to speak 😂
ok
its a debate
@@Vvs607a debate is letting both sides speak
So true lol. Love the Breakdown boys but this whole thing was pretty irritating to listen to.
I’m a person who believes KSI vs. Jake Paul is a fight that definitely leans towards Mr. Paul, however, there are ways for KSI to win.
I don’t think Wade likes the idea of KSI winning at all.
It’s a debate. He doesn’t have to pledge his loyalty to anyone. For some reason a lot of ksi fans can’t fathom the idea of not worshipping ksi
Is anyone saying how Jake kept moving for the entire ten rounds I was impressed
He was getting backed up the whole fight wym
@@keithromero7181the fact he was constantly moving and still kept his stamina is impressive
@@hugosteenhuisen7291 he looked gassed by the 2-4 round he was going on heart he was gassed, Nate was giving him breaks, ksi will not stop coming forward with power, idk how jake is gonna deal with it
@@keithromero7181Jake wasn’t gassed stop that false narrative.. plus when did ksi go more than 6 rounds? Never and Jake just did 10. Ksi will also miss a lot of his haymakers and eventually that will tire him out especially if he gets caught
For me, it al depends on how Ksi fights.
Jake is the better boxer, but ive always thought that Ksi could grind out a win with his work rate and pressure.
But, the problem now is this karate style Ksi has been using lately. Say what you want about Jakes skill base as a whole, but hes actually a good little counter puncher. His timing and speed are very good, especially for someone whos still very new to boxing.
I still think that Ksi could grind out a win against Jake but if he goes in there biuncing around trying to explode into range against Jake, Jakes gonna catch him and it could be over very quickly (im talking first three rounds early).
7:32 yeah ksi didn’t watch that fight
I got jj, I can see his pressure alongside his power being a major asset in the fight, jake is a good fighter but I believe he hasn’t had that kind of pressure before with someone that can throw sleeper punches, gotta wait to see the tommy fight though
Jj is one of those guy who only fought bums and get wins to rank himself above all 🤣
A non clickbate title well done 👏
u got put in your place by wade in the last video now u wanna be nice lmao well done 👏🤣
@@WinterMan.put in my place lol that wasn’t even on this channel lade was coping and lashed out emotionally, you have 1K comments on this channel alone but I’m obsessed because I have 60 on the breakdown? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Stop being terminally online
@@Calmzat Lol 1) thats bcoz i been subd here for ages
2) i didn't leave 1k comments in the main comment section, they r mostly replies or debates i had with LSI meat riders
3) get your tongue out of mammy taylor's azz 🤣
@@Calmzatliterally😂bros worlds revolves around influencer boxing
@@leytonwalker1190notice he didn’t respond either 😂
So serious question how does wade put up with Faze Sensei during podcasts?
He constantly interrupts wade and talks over him. His views are obviously valid and he gives good perspective to things, but it just seems really rude to me
We need another Vidal and wade collab
Jake still has power but the better the opposition was the less the power was as crazy as it used to look. Ksi is going to deal with the same problem. Jake still has power but knows how to distribute it and connect it with Timing, ksi isn’t there yet with timing and he isn’t close, he’s like a full back hitting the a gap on the line of scrimmage @wade
Talking about the conversation around 50:00
Jake is no doubt becoming a more complete fighter.
- Respect to both fighters.
- Our Expectation from influencer turn into boxer has increased but when I see KSI I feel disappointed where Jake is upto the audience expectations.
- As compared to Ksi we clearly see Jake has got more Progress in the fight.
Now he needs a few new Technical that will work like cherry on top.
Still, I remember from. Tommy fight.
1. Opponent Jab worked really good on jake.
2. Opponent takes jake right hand and still comes forward and diliver 2-3 liver punch by closing the distance.
3. I feels missing Jake intelligence for the opponent to makes unpredictable for opponent.
(I have only seen straight forward intelligence from user perspective.)
4. I have not seen jake Closing distance from outside to inside in very short time.
I’d say unanimous decision to Jake based on his technicality being ahead of JJ. JJ would have to knock him out to win, I don’t think he’d be able to do so because Jake can firm a punch.
Will and heart only gets you so far
I mean it all depends on how KSI performs against Tommy. Theres a chance were legitmately never getting Jake vs KSI. I think the main thing that make people think Ksi now jas a better chance is that the power difference of Nates pressure and Ksi will be the x factor for him.
@@lolcow6668 if u ask that I'm just gonna assume you're a hater and a troll
U guys have to remember jake was in no danger the entire fight hence y he was able to try out more stuff nd not have to clinch
Wade killed me with the MCU analogies🤣
Jake looked very good, but all I could see the whole fight was how bad nate was. He looked really bad as a boxer, but had a durable chin and the stamina to make the challenge just for jake to be in the ring 10 rounds. Which is an accomplishment and really great experience for jake. But it was just tough seeing how bad nate was at boxing
I still want to know who tf KSI has even beat to talk like that💀 Sure Jake Paul might have beat retired or old fighters, but thats where Jake has KSI beat. He is fighting people witg actual experiance, where KSI has beat your average 9-5 costco employees excluding Logan Paul💀 Dude is such a joke.
ksi hasnt even fought someone who understand the basic fundementals of boxing let alone can box. jake fought woodley twice and anderson silva and silva has a good chance of beating ksi
In my opinion this fight is 50/50 There is a few things I saw in ksi’s fight against Fournier. Ksi’s jab is getting a lot better and he perrys and then jab he is very quick on his feet. I get why people think jake should win. I Just personally think it’s 50/50
If JJ wins, it’s gonna be his explosiveness that will get him the win. I see a TKO just like the Floyd vs McGregor fight
“How do you go from A to D?” Usually a low blow.
I think the fight raised more questions than it answered. Jake looked a far better boxer all round with movement & shot selection which should raise concerns for KSI. BUT Jake again looked awful moving backwards and in the later half of the fight especially, he let Nate into a lot of inside positions that if Nate had power behind his shots would have been really punishing and probably should have sparked him with. Ultimately Jake’s showed a lot of positives but also showed a lot of opportunity for KSI to succeed with his pace, power and style.
But In that same argument did he let Nate inside cos he knew his power wasn’t there? We know Tommy didn’t get inside that much cos he respected tommys power much more