Actually it's not socialism. I've had this talk before. Here in the UK I would describe us as a socialist leaning country. We have a national minimum wage and public health care. Despite what you think, these "far left" are not socialists...far from it infact. Also something that often confuses me...Why are they refered to as the Far left? You guys still refer to nationalism and fascism as Far Right. Far left would therefore imply its political opposite, which would actually be socialism and Communism. However these guys don't want that, they don't want equality for all, they want a patriarchy replaced by a matriarchy, the majority repressed to uplit the minority. That's not even CLOSE to socialism or communism. Infact they're not really anything traditional, they're not liberals who seek free thought for all and rail against any form of goverment oppression (because they seek to squash free speech if it offends their sensibilities, something an actual liberal would find horrifying), they don't even want a world where the individual is free to do whatever they want without goverment oversight. This would rule them out of even being Anarchists. The only thing they want is basically a regime change so.
Bro you don’t need to say all that Because (that person can still work hard and may even need to work harder in some situations,) however I agree that corporations do try to be more inclusive for their public image.
Comics used to be fun and have politics in them from time to time. The X-Men aren't always about bigotry and mutant rights--they fight Arcade in death traps or battle the Hand. The FF are exploring other dimensions. What happened to the adventure? The Avengers are dealing with the Masters of Evil. Nowadays, comics are more about pushing agendas and left politics.
This. The problem is not being political in a comic book. The problem is being preachy, considering yourself to be some sort of master philosopher and your audience to be a mass of ignorant bastards
mother *******ing this, be subtle like how people said X-men stood in for racism, STOOD IN !! Not actually had racism in it. When your so heavy-handed with it, it feels like preaching, and people dont want to be preached at.
There is a reason she doesn't give detail about the popularity of manga with women. There is Shonen manga, which is aimed at males, and then there is Shojo manga which is aimed at females. If she went into detail people would find out that the girls were reading gender specific manga. That'd ruin her narrative *real* fast.
I actually read both Shonen (One-Punch man and Jojo) and Shojo (Skip Beat and Fushigi Yuugi) and I've been a fan of manga and anime since I was about 6 since I found a anime channel that showed me Cowboy Bebop, Planetes and Full Metal Alchemist. She is so dumb. She probably doesn't even read manga. Which I am glad because I don't want people like her to ruin it.
The thing she doesn't seem to grasp is that there are shades of gray between the two extremes. When people say they want "the old a-political style comics back", they're not talking about comics that NEVER EVER EVER mention anything remotely political or that's an issue. What they want is for the stories to be about the superheroes, their struggles against those that would harm other people, putting themselves on the front line against dangerous madmen and psychopaths, and doing it because it's the right thing to do. With great power comes great responsibility. What people DON'T want is for the writers to be constantly shoving their identity politics (or other politics, ala "We hate Trump!!!11one") in the reader's face EVERY DAMNED PAGE. If you want to touch on a character being gay? Sure, go for it. Make it a story-arc. But when that's the BASIS of your entire series? Yeah, people notice that, and they stop tuning in. You can't survive appealing to a tiny niche audience. Similarly, if you want to have a bunch of teen girls form their own "super science squad?" Great, do it. But when the entire series is "oh my gosh, men are so mean to women!" "oh gosh, look how awesome girls are!" "oh my gosh, we're so much better and smarter and more awesome than those stupid MEN!", etc? Yeah, it gets old. Marvel has lost the majority of their audience. They had a HUGE chance to gain a MASSIVE new audience with the fans of the MCU picking up comics. Instead, they go "hey wait, Iron Man's a black girl? Wha? Thor's a woman who rants about feminism? Oh god..." Batman comics sell well because they tell stories of a man struggling to protect innocent people from psychopaths and madmen, and delving into the criminal psyche of those warped individuals. Superman comics sell well because he's an icon of hope, and of always doing what's right, even if it's hard. Spiderman's mantra of "with great power comes great responsibility" is what drove him to try and do the best he could to help people, even when everyone hated him. I used to love Marvel. Now I hate how far they've fallen. It's sad. And I have this sinking feeling that the MCU is going to start following suit, and join in on the SJW bullshit train. Which is going to be a sad day, because that means I'll stop watching the movies.
Everything is like this now. They want the new James Bond not to be a ladies man anymore and get married. There´s nothing wrong with him getting married and it has happened in one movie but his wife was killed. James Bond´s marriage would be terrible because he would never be at home etc. That´s why he wanted to retire in Casino Royale when he fell in love. We all know that they just want to get rid of the Bond Girls because it´s considered sexist now and change the tone of the whole franchise. The only hope is that Nolan might direct it.
Person 1- "I dislike cringeworthy social justice messages being crowbarred into comics to the detriment of the overall quality of the finished work" Person 2- "OMG WHY DO YOU HATE POLITICS IN COMIC BOOKS YOU WHINING MANBABY!?!?!" I dont know much about comics, Im more of a gamer, but a lot of this argumentation is REAL familiar from gamergate.
There is a very basic formula for how to interject politics into a comic and not come off as a pretentious fuck. Character A on one side, Character B on the other. Both characters are GOOD people with differing view points. They subtly discuss or show off their beliefs through words or deeds, and the readers are left to decide who is right and who is wrong. This is what the original civil war did RIGHT. You had Tony on one side, and Steve on the other. Both were fundamentally GOOD people who were each in their own mind trying to do the right thing, and the readers chose sides, and ultimately who was right was left to personal opinion. I could do an essay on this...maybe I will for my totes Pro-Journalist blog.
Sure they wern't apolitical, but the writers weren't pushing agendas down our throats with their feet though the medium though while screaming "WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ME!?! STOP READING MY WORK!"
The Laughing Rabbit exactly. The only reasons comics of the past weren't apolitical is because it's impossible to write without putting a little bit of your beliefs into what you write, because people write what they know. And that's fine, because usually it helps humanize the characters. The difference with SJW writers is that the politics aren't written into the book as a tiny natural byproduct like before, but are the main focus of the book, with actual characters and plot being almost nonexistent. It's like modern comic writers just completely forgot what comics or even basic story structures are supposed to be.
Green Arrow was one of the worst offenders in the 70's and 80's, but even then he spent most of the time shooting alien robots. And when he DID get preachy, it just made Green Lantern cooler.
I read someone, somewhere on the internet who put it best: That basically the problem is not just the pushing of an agenda, but pushing the agenda to the forefront of the book so that the politics is more important to the story, and also that the "political" parts are presented almost invariably as "the good guys have my political views, the bad guys have the political views I hate, and the bad guys are bad simply because of their political views."
This lady is hard to listen to, she stutters constantly, pauses, has weird hysterical emotional outbursts, and doesn't finish sentences, its like she cannot hold a thought long enough to form a single coherent sentence, which shows in her terrible books.
I think I'm not going to buy another marvel comic until Daddy Disney comes in and cleans house completely because these people have destroyed something I once loved. I'll stick to DC until they get cringey as marvel then I'll probably drop them too.
sj conker Oh I know they're with it but for ffs can a man dream that they will see the error of their ways and just Purge the shit out of these freaks!
Comics in the 40s started out as WW2 propaganda, then Cold War propaganda, then got more diverse & political in the 60s & 70s with the Civil Rights movement and then got even more diverse and eccentric and adult in the 80s while using allegory as a tool to cleverly (or sometimes clumsily, but these were old comics and as a modern reader you could appreciate or at least be amused by the more dated storylines) discuss important social and political issues at the time like racism, war, genocide, government oppression, the aids crisis, teenage drug use, etc, etc. The difference now is that writers back then used to actually give a shit what their readers thought. That was the whole point. They actually *wanted* their readers to buy their books, so they didn't inject a bunch of vain, annoying identity politics into their books that clearly (going by Marvel's sales numbers nowadays) nobody wants to see in a superhero book. Politics in superhero comics are best done through allegory. What we have right now are a bunch of ideologues who like to project not only their personalities onto their characters when writing them but their political beliefs as well, and it is not subtle at all. It's not that you can't have diverse characters, it's how you write them. (I mean, Marvel is/was already diverse, but whatever.) Claremont's X-Men were extremely diverse but they were not marketed as "hey look! it's that diverse team! we have a black woman! and a jewish girl! and a russian! and a german catholic! and..." everybody wasn't dumbed down to their demographic status and most of the time, their religion or ethnicity was also tied into their story in some way. For example, the first time the reader learns that Nightcrawler is Catholic is also the first time they learn Wolverine doesn't believe in God, the reveal of the two character's faiths only lasts one page, tells us more about the characters, and highlights the contrast between Nightcrawler and Wolverine's personalities all while furthering their friendship. Claremont doesn't try to scream about how progressive he is for adding a Catholic and an Atheist to his cast of characters and he doesn't dwell on it too long, it's a nice moment and he moves on with the story. With stories like Ms. Marvel, Mockingbird, Iceman, America, etc the writers clearly cannot let go of their political ideology for one second to tell a story. If these "writers" wanna get political about comics they can stick to writing 2,000 word articles on Mother Jones and Bleeding Cool on why Power Girl's boob window has set the entire Feminist movement back fifty years and Um how it's basically made women slaves now, thanks.
Kelly Sue is responsible for the death of Carol Danvers and her resurrection into the over emotional, hotheaded, fascist nutcase called Captain Marvel. Kelly, you ruined one of my favorite superheroines. I will never forgive you.
I've read a bunch of "how to write comics" books over the years. Some suck, some are informative, some are just one writers point of view. However, almost all of them, usually in the first chapter or introduction talks about key principles or guidelines one should follow when writing a comic book. These key principles can be boiled down to these three golden rules. 1. Know what your talking about. 2. Care about what you write. 3. Be objective. As a side note to being objective is, don't grind any axes or pursue an agenda, because it is the sure fire method to losing readers. I'll add one more concept and that is conflict. There has to be some kind of heroes journey. It would seem that all modern writers not only ignore, what countless books on writing tell you, but violate ever principle. I've learned a lot of this by getting my stuff out there and having many people telling me I was doing it wrong. Therefore, I went looking for guidance in how to books. I've kind of gone on my own journey to change and get better and after 30+ years, still learning. I also find it weird that Bendis seems to break his own rules he sets for other aspiring writers in his how to book. What I'm saying is this. There are rules to wrighting comics, movies, plays,etc. rules laid down by the masters. Follow them! Study them! If your supposed to be progressive than progress and constantly learn the craft. I've been trying my whole life and I still have a long way to go. I understand there are prodigies out there, but none of these young writers with either no real life experiences or willing ness to do the research and talk to those who do have no business doing professional level work.
"I'm on the right side of history!" said the person quoted in a history book on a page together with despotic regimes and authoritarian inhumane maniacs.
You can check out her story telling skills over at Geek and Sundry. On Wil Wheaton's 4th season of Table Top she is one of the guests in a story progression game. Every time it was her turn to contribute you could just see the struggle she had to form a thought as everyone else playing threw out dozens of narrative hooks. It was painful to watch.
Your videos, especially this one, helped me come to the realization that sjw's will never leave comics. Other entertainment industies like movies, tv, large circulation magazines and large internet companies will never hire these people. The other industries require professional collaboration, and sjw's cannot collaborate with anyone outside their echo chamber. Comics is their safehaven.
The premise isn't completely wrong. Even "apolitical" fiction inherently injects philosophy into itself, and philosophy is the foundation of politics. The problem is that HER philosophy is the spite-fueled, self-contradicting philosophy of tyrants. Not all politics are created equal, and our (extremely successful) society is built on the idea that democracy, due process, free speech, and free markets will always expose and defeat sophists (like her) who seek to infringe on the freedom of others. You should proudly inject good philosophy into your works while openly rejecting bad philosophy and using the tools provided by a capitalist democracy to eject it.
_"If you don't like my politics, don't buy my comic books. Problem solved"_ I mean, inevitably her comic books *will* get cancelled due to not enough sales, which she apparently doesn't care about.
"Comics have never been apolitical, you just haven't been paying attention." They were also entertaining, insightful and engaging. I guess she wasn't paying attention.
I love how calm you are when doing this. I don't think I could stay this calm, I know I couldn't. But you laugh off a lot of stuff. I'm not a comic book fan, but I am a media fan like everyone else and this stuff is infecting everything. I need to adopt a calmer attitude about it like you so my blood pressure can go down to normal levels haha.
She is right, we don't buy her crap. It will fail...maybe not now, but she won't last very long. I think even marvel will turn it around...or we'll keep not buying their trash.
An independent creator is more than welcome to say, "If you don't like my book, don't buy it." It's their book. If they want to write something with an intended audience of 12 then that is just fine. That is EXACTLY what the independent comics have always been for, targeting the satellite fandoms that want something different from what Marvel or DC make as a whole. I don't read a lot of independents because I like what Marvel and DC made. So now that Marvel is being run like an independent I guess my only option is DC... but I don't like DC that much! I'm an old school Marvel Zombie. As a kid I didn't have a lot of friends, if I had one I was doing well and most of the time that ended with the one friend I had moving away or joining up with the other kids to bully me. I brought some of it on myself, I was a weird kid in a town too small to have another weird kid in my class, in a time where my kind of weird just meant you were a target. So I was lonely and sad most of the time (and as it turns out Vitamin D deficient. Seriously, if you have depression look up Vitamin D deficiency ... don't wait till your 40 and have lost all your hair at 25.) but I had comic books to give me something to focus on. I had characters who objectively had it worse than me doing the right thing regardless. I had a place where I could at least observe camaraderie and friendship even if I couldn't participate. Marvel comics taught me that it isn't about saving the world. It's about doing what you can to help those you can because you can. Super-heroes have greater power so they can do more but the concept is the same as helping someone change a tire or lift a refrigerator into a truck when you see them struggling. The characters were the only friends that I could count on not to suddenly hate me without any reason that I could discern. Their world was my refuge from my tiny little town and all of the crap that went with it. Marvel Comics are important to me in a foundational manner. Seeing my friends change without warning and behave so unlike themselves is upsetting. Feeling judged and rejected by the one place where I felt accepted and welcomed is heart breaking and it makes me feel like I did back in school. Anyway. That was a lot more than I intended to write. and sort of drifted in the middle there. Sorry for the rant. :P
@@artprincess3996 I didn't do much Manga. Anime, comics and art I did. Did you have a preferred artist who you aped before developing your own style? :)
" If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book." That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. When someone criticizes you, you think about what they are criticizing and change it. The only time when this doesn't happen is when its a small group of people saying its bad or its wrong or any other criticism, but when its a large group of people who constantly have the same complaints, well as the saying goes, "The customer is always right." Denying people the change they want will only do one thing, hurt your wallet! I know money isn't everything but you gotta put food on the table, and to basically say, "If you don't like what i'm doing, I don't want your money." is ridiculous. Its almost as If you don't want to make a profit, you just want to destroy an industry.
The real problem with most of these people saying not to buy their books, is that it's not their books, not their characters, not their world, they're given licence to work with it. They are holding hostage the things people have loved for decades.
"If you don't like my politics, don't buy my books. Problem solved." Okay, this is what gets me-if you're writing a story with political themes (I'm going through the process of writing an indie comic book myself right now and plan on having some but good story first obviously), wouldn't you want to challenge and engage readers who wouldn't necessarily agree with your views? Also, that "what comic books are you reading" screeching...it's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
I was a kid in the 70's. And I don't remember Spiderman ever defeating Electro and then telling him he was a fool for voting for Democrats. This woman and her ilk need to site examples of their insane claims.
Because this SJW writer and Syfy get their vid shown here, I kinda feel like they're getting waaaaaayyyy more publicity then they really deserve. I feel like they were destined to fade into obscurity and by showing them in this vid, they are gonna be able to claim they are much bigger than they actually are or deserve to be. Maybe I'm wrong.
Ah, the good old "Ignore them if you want them to leave" Doesn't work. If they don't have a boogyman, they create one. Look at Briana Wu making up harassment on steam for her own game. We found out just because she forgot to log off her own account before auto-cyber-bullying herself.
Revel Rosz I have no problem with Cobain's feminism. I am in support equal rights for women. Do not make assumptions about me without knowing me. In fact--and I hate that I have to say this-- I support equality for all. Though it seems that far too many in the Social Justice movement do not want equalitu.
Believe it or not Revel but someone used to be able to associate with someone else, even if they didn't agree with them politically, without being accused of being either a nazi or an SJW (pre-2013). Besides feminism was not the cultural force it is today back in the 20th century, nor was it as cancerous (although retrospectively the seeds were obviously being planted). i.e. I love Orson Scott Card's novels despite my ideological opposition to him)
G Gutherie well said. And Helen Pluck rose wrote an article called "Why I no Longer Identify as a Feminist. " You can google it if you want, but she claims she was a feminist in the 80s and 90s-same time Kurt Cobain was alive and then the postmodernism feminists took over and rather than supporting equality for all, the postmodernists want equality for all but straight white men who are viewed as "the enemy. " If Kurt Cobain were alive today I have no doubt his views would not be embraced by the SJWs. He wanted equality for all. Not to take any away from anyone.
I bought my first superhero comic book in 1974. comic books in the 1970s were not " extremely political" like this ignorant... woman says. when somebody made a significant political statement in a comic book, like the Nixon Captain America thing, it was news. because that shit didn't happen that often do you know what Comics did have a whole lot of the 1970s? They had a whole lot of fun stories that people actually wanted to read. they had the Avengers battling the Squadron sinister and the Defenders and Ultron. they had Hulk smash and brother voodoo and Son Of Satan and the deadly hands of kung fu. they had Conan the Barbarian wenching and fighting his way across the hyborian world. they had giant size Man-Thing. She's Not Just cherry picking facts, she's literally just making shit up about what Comics were like back then.
"Captain America is a SJW." Make her read how Captain America reacts whenever the government or the public try to get a black super hero into the Avengers only beause he is black. Comics have had political themes, yes, but they were not the only thing they talked about all the time. Actually, when the time came to tackle a theme like that, it was even a special event, like "God Loves, Man Kills".
I love how the SJWs use "if you don't like it, don't buy it". That's what we were saying when the whole SJW movement started! Don't like Vampirella's costume? Don't buy it! Don't like Catwoman using her sexiness as a weapon? Don't buy it! But, they wouldn't accept that argument. That's why we have to have C&D, now.
I don’t understand why y’all are so bothered by her. We see extremely political views all the time, I thought we would be used to it by now. Yeh comics don’t have to be political, but if that’s what she wants her comics to be then she is allowed to do that, she has freedom of speech. If y’all are so pressed seeing extreme views that make you uncomfortable do as she says and don’t buy the book. Instead of judging her books for having an opinion, judge the bad character development and absurd story-lines. And Diversity and comics, please stop insulting the way she looks and just insult her comic.
omg she is basically being featured and interviewed and she thinks its appropriate to do voices and scream, is she 6yrs old? how people like her hold a job for any length is insane.
...And the award for Best Actress goes to...(drum roll please)...Not Her! It sounds like she's trying to do a female Woody Allen impersonation. She comes off as a phony wannabe intellectual. I feel sad for the people around her who have to deal with this on a daily basis.
There was another post on Syfy with her. I had to unfollow their page. Frustrating that this stuff is literally everywhere anymore. Had to stop watching a daily movie news podcast recently because they started doing the whole victim culture, feminazi and bashing as they said "stupid white males". I watched their show daily for 5yrs. So many forms of entertainment have been just ruined for me.
Wow did she actually say "if you don't like my politics..." I have never seen or heard of a writer saying this before. That's insane. Why are you putting so much of your politics into your comics anyway? You're supposed to just tell a good story. No wonder her comics sale so low. The worse part of this video is that dude. What a doormat.
Literally just threw my trade paper back of her Captain Marvel run in the trash not but halfway into this video. Holy damn, she can’t actually be a real person, can she? It’s like if feminism itself actually gained sentience.
There's a giant contradiction here. If old comics were oh so political, if Captain America was a social justice warrior... then why is this new crop of Marvel writers/editors/artists having to change up everything... and defend it... and tell us we should like it and if we don't there's something wrong with us? If the new we don't like is no different from the old... why change it so much?
Every time someone does a captain america origins story (besides nick spencer) Steve is always a nerd with a good art sense and skill for drawing. With a poor family an abusive/drunk dad, bullied by the big kids on the block and with a bunch or illnesses and handicaps that didn't allowed him to be enlisted. what privilege he had? Same for chris evans, she doesn't know where he come from, if he had any hardships growing up? how can she claim that he had privilege?
anyone notice that when female centric superhero comics started happening, they became less about fighting and doing heroic shit, and more about relationships and feelings. they made the hulk a book about she-hulk going on a blind date. yes girls have always read comics, they were called archie comics. boys wanna read about punching stuff, not relationships and 'the science'.
I agree that comics have had politics in them. But it was so well written that that those politics weren't getting in the way of the story. "God Loves, Man Kills" is a clear shot at Christians in the 80s going after homosexuals, but it is so well written that the politics of it doesn't detract from the story. Marvel's street level heroes like Power Man had racial politics in them, but again the stories were so well written that the politics didn't detract from the stories. In Green Arrow there has always been an underlying liberal bias but for the most parts the stories are well written and don't end up getting sideways because of the politics. Mike Grell's run with the Longbow Hunters is a great example of that. The problem with these writers is that can't get out of their own way to write a good comic. They can't let themselves write a subtle comic story. It has to be in your face and screaming at the top of it's lungs. You cannot write a good fictional story that isn't directly a political story (look at something like the West Wing) and it be good if the politics are in your face.
I think the basic problem is writers and artists like her think they are the majority out there and that their "brave" comics will help these repressed souls out of the shadows they have been living under for centuries. That white men have been keeping this medium of entertainment from them since it's inception. With such a righteous sense of purpose, truth bombs don't go over so well for them.
They will only talk to someone who will validate their behavior. And they can't listen to any ideas that contradicts their own. I don't waste my time even talking to one of them, because their not there to listen but to push their views on people.
I bet she is just an absolute pleasure to be around. *rolls eyes* "If you don't like my politics don't buy my book." Looking at the sales...... Mission Accomplished!
What did a certain president say a couple of years ago? "You didn't build this"? It may be her books, but it's not her characters. She is just one of the many custodians.
How can one person be so wrong yet think they are the authority on the subject. Oh ya, she is a feminist... therefore lives in a bubble of emotional validation. Capt America was a soldier in WWII then used his skills to keep America safe. I love her suggestion about Twitter but yet her side does the very opposite. Twitter is a public access, open forum. Is she mad that nobody is buying her book and getting crapped on by everyone that isn't under her thumb? Their version of social justice does nothing. They think that raising awareness is doing something, which is literally crying out for someone smarter to figure out a solution. A great person told me that "any idiot can see a problem. It takes a person intellect to find a solution." Oh ya let's bring up better titles like X-men in 1975 that was literally saved my diversity and is a flagship title. Why not focus on those books to see how to create your product? These people are clueless on what they are doing.
i love how her argument is we used to do this so we need to continue doing it. very progressive. why doesnt she just go back to being a housewife if she wants to do what we did in the 70s. sjws are incapable of saying something that isnt hypocritical.
They are trying to apply fandom, fan fiction rules to a industry. It's fine to say if you don't like it don't buy it when it's YOUR indie free webcomic. You doing that strictly off of your passion. However, when you become apart of an industry and what your are creating isn't working you have to change. Especially if your the new comer.
SYFY gone to shit and it's funny seeing recently the chiller channel being pulled from other cable companies . With Comet Tv, El Rey , the streaming services(Netflix, Shudder) and pirating, recently canceling some recent popular shows, and just relying on asylum movies , SYFY is in deep shit.
i would love to interview marvel about the sales of captain marvel. not being adversarial but i really want to know what they think of the fact that , that book doesn't sell. they keep changing the creative team and still doesn't sell.
"I literally can't even!" The woman is a living self-parody. And that face! Ugh! And can't forget the problem glasses. And hair dyed an unnatural color. How many more cliches can she hit?
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The reason they pause like that all the time is because they have to double check their words to make sure they are not about to say something that their backbiting friends can call them out on.
I'm 20. I was reading Spider-Man in 2010. That date with Captain Marvel issue. She was fun, sexy, a bit of a tom boy, but with long gorgeous hair. I read that issue and said "The hell with Mary Jane, I want her dating Spider-Man!" It was basically what if Mary Jane were Superman... It was *very* apolitical. It was just a fun date issue. But now, I'm very glad Spidey isn't tied to Carl Manvers.
Are you talking about Blink spilling out of her top? That picture had waaaay more problems than that. While it's an inaccurate rendering of the character, it was overall just a bad drawing.
Given how boy and girl children tend to write in their early years, there is something to the idea that comics are innately more attractive to boys (properly high testosterone people). These folks tend to write about people doing things, then feeling about them, while higher oestrogen types wil tend to write about people feeling things and, maybe, doing something. Especially since the death of thought bubbles, the design of comics have massively shifted to the testosterone end of writing, or have followed the manga approach of breaking flow to talk about feelings I the middle of the action (see falcon-cap). Note that "good writing" tends to follow the oestrogen line, though that might be more to do with the opportunity for decompressed flowery language and tons of adjectives. The fact that we have to force them to conform to an unnatural writing and even thinking style has been one of the noted factors of why boys have fallen behind in creative writing in the UK.
I was a comic fan during the late 60's up thru the mid 80's and Stan and the bullpen were liberal leaning, but they told great stories that very occasionally contain subtle political messages. They also had different political views in their line, no side was left out and all politics were subtle secondary things dominated by good interesting stories.
Reads "SJW Comic Book Writer Does Not Want You To Buy Her Books". Adjusts glasses. Loudly sips tea. Clears throat. "Ah yes... we studied this strategy in Princeton. It is called the "Eric Cartman Business Model. It's super effective."
Captain America was a Justice Warrior, not a Social Justice Warrior. He fought REAL bad guys.
Cap never let the bad guy go because he was underprivileged.
Let's be honest, it's socialism that they are fighting to establish. They hate capitalism and this is just their way of destroying the industry.
Actually it's not socialism. I've had this talk before. Here in the UK I would describe us as a socialist leaning country. We have a national minimum wage and public health care. Despite what you think, these "far left" are not socialists...far from it infact.
Also something that often confuses me...Why are they refered to as the Far left? You guys still refer to nationalism and fascism as Far Right. Far left would therefore imply its political opposite, which would actually be socialism and Communism.
However these guys don't want that, they don't want equality for all, they want a patriarchy replaced by a matriarchy, the majority repressed to uplit the minority. That's not even CLOSE to socialism or communism.
Infact they're not really anything traditional, they're not liberals who seek free thought for all and rail against any form of goverment oppression (because they seek to squash free speech if it offends their sensibilities, something an actual liberal would find horrifying), they don't even want a world where the individual is free to do whatever they want without goverment oversight. This would rule them out of even being Anarchists.
The only thing they want is basically a regime change so.
A feminist hired by Marvel because of her husband's success. Oh the irony
Zombie Reed Richards So much for "Strong Independent Woman"
Bro you don’t need to say all that Because (that person can still work hard and may even need to work harder in some situations,) however I agree that corporations do try to be more inclusive for their public image.
"Comics have never been apolitical"
But they have been subtle
blujay1524 I want to get into this. What is political about Grendel?
Comics used to be fun and have politics in them from time to time. The X-Men aren't always about bigotry and mutant rights--they fight Arcade in death traps or battle the Hand. The FF are exploring other dimensions. What happened to the adventure? The Avengers are dealing with the Masters of Evil. Nowadays, comics are more about pushing agendas and left politics.
blujay1524 yeah like Punisher, I don't think he had much time to shave so he was always rocking 5 o'clock shadow.
Oh.. you said subtle.. carry on.
This. The problem is not being political in a comic book. The problem is being preachy, considering yourself to be some sort of master philosopher and your audience to be a mass of ignorant bastards
mother *******ing this, be subtle like how people said X-men stood in for racism, STOOD IN !! Not actually had racism in it. When your so heavy-handed with it, it feels like preaching, and people dont want to be preached at.
No one is lining up to read Mary sue deconnick's books. She can rest easy
"Dont buy my book" One of the few SJW requests/demands that I am happy to oblige.
"I literally can't even." This is a person who writes for a living and she speaks in cliches?
adventureindustries So true!
There is a reason she doesn't give detail about the popularity of manga with women. There is Shonen manga, which is aimed at males, and then there is Shojo manga which is aimed at females. If she went into detail people would find out that the girls were reading gender specific manga. That'd ruin her narrative *real* fast.
Arcane Knight you are SO RIGHT my friend!
She probably doesn't even know that there's a difference.
I actually read both Shonen (One-Punch man and Jojo) and Shojo (Skip Beat and Fushigi Yuugi) and I've been a fan of manga and anime since I was about 6 since I found a anime channel that showed me Cowboy Bebop, Planetes and Full Metal Alchemist.
She is so dumb. She probably doesn't even read manga. Which I am glad because I don't want people like her to ruin it.
The thing she doesn't seem to grasp is that there are shades of gray between the two extremes. When people say they want "the old a-political style comics back", they're not talking about comics that NEVER EVER EVER mention anything remotely political or that's an issue. What they want is for the stories to be about the superheroes, their struggles against those that would harm other people, putting themselves on the front line against dangerous madmen and psychopaths, and doing it because it's the right thing to do. With great power comes great responsibility.
What people DON'T want is for the writers to be constantly shoving their identity politics (or other politics, ala "We hate Trump!!!11one") in the reader's face EVERY DAMNED PAGE. If you want to touch on a character being gay? Sure, go for it. Make it a story-arc. But when that's the BASIS of your entire series? Yeah, people notice that, and they stop tuning in. You can't survive appealing to a tiny niche audience. Similarly, if you want to have a bunch of teen girls form their own "super science squad?" Great, do it. But when the entire series is "oh my gosh, men are so mean to women!" "oh gosh, look how awesome girls are!" "oh my gosh, we're so much better and smarter and more awesome than those stupid MEN!", etc? Yeah, it gets old.
Marvel has lost the majority of their audience. They had a HUGE chance to gain a MASSIVE new audience with the fans of the MCU picking up comics. Instead, they go "hey wait, Iron Man's a black girl? Wha? Thor's a woman who rants about feminism? Oh god..."
Batman comics sell well because they tell stories of a man struggling to protect innocent people from psychopaths and madmen, and delving into the criminal psyche of those warped individuals. Superman comics sell well because he's an icon of hope, and of always doing what's right, even if it's hard. Spiderman's mantra of "with great power comes great responsibility" is what drove him to try and do the best he could to help people, even when everyone hated him.
I used to love Marvel. Now I hate how far they've fallen. It's sad. And I have this sinking feeling that the MCU is going to start following suit, and join in on the SJW bullshit train. Which is going to be a sad day, because that means I'll stop watching the movies.
Everything is like this now. They want the new James Bond not to be a ladies man anymore and get married. There´s nothing wrong with him getting married and it has happened in one movie but his wife was killed. James Bond´s marriage would be terrible because he would never be at home etc. That´s why he wanted to retire in Casino Royale when he fell in love. We all know that they just want to get rid of the Bond Girls because it´s considered sexist now and change the tone of the whole franchise. The only hope is that Nolan might direct it.
beautifully said l Mayer and so true.
"His big claim of fame is that she wrote Miss Marvel a couple of years ago" No, his claim of fame is that she got cancelled TWICE writing Miss Marvel.
Well I don't want to buy her books, so I guess we can call this a tie.
Person 1- "I dislike cringeworthy social justice messages being crowbarred into comics to the detriment of the overall quality of the finished work"
Person 2- "OMG WHY DO YOU HATE POLITICS IN COMIC BOOKS YOU WHINING MANBABY!?!?!"
I dont know much about comics, Im more of a gamer, but a lot of this argumentation is REAL familiar from gamergate.
Yeah, cause it's the same matriarch politburo they all hang out together and eat dead babies.
She looks like if Big Red and Yoko Ono fused together
Ryan Leatigaga but who would be the one initiating the fusing?
Karl English I don’t know, Eddie Gluskin from Outlast: Whistleblower?
Yoko Ono is actually fitting since Matt Fraction used to write good comics.
Ryan Leatigaga I'm starting to think SJWs are made in a factory.
I’m glad you saw it! I was wondering why they were letting Big Red write bad comics.
I love how this interviewer is tripping over himself to kiss ass/be non-threatening & all that anger is being projected on to him.
AHAHAHAHA "CUCK HARDER" LOLLLLLL
Eight. Your video has more comments now than SJW can get a series to run for.
savage
LOL!!! Good call on that.
ahh! ahh! ahh!
*lightning and thunder in the background
God DAMN, even Original Sabertooth wasn't this savage.
all i can say about that is "oh, snap!"
There is a very basic formula for how to interject politics into a comic and not come off as a pretentious fuck. Character A on one side, Character B on the other. Both characters are GOOD people with differing view points. They subtly discuss or show off their beliefs through words or deeds, and the readers are left to decide who is right and who is wrong. This is what the original civil war did RIGHT.
You had Tony on one side, and Steve on the other. Both were fundamentally GOOD people who were each in their own mind trying to do the right thing, and the readers chose sides, and ultimately who was right was left to personal opinion.
I could do an essay on this...maybe I will for my totes Pro-Journalist blog.
Already on it, 900 some words in, will link at my Twitter: @Huldra_nix.
Sure they wern't apolitical, but the writers weren't pushing agendas down our throats with their feet though the medium though while screaming "WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ME!?! STOP READING MY WORK!"
Notice me, Senpai!!
I mean, comics did start out as propaganda, but I never imagined that they would revert back to those times...
The Laughing Rabbit exactly. The only reasons comics of the past weren't apolitical is because it's impossible to write without putting a little bit of your beliefs into what you write, because people write what they know. And that's fine, because usually it helps humanize the characters. The difference with SJW writers is that the politics aren't written into the book as a tiny natural byproduct like before, but are the main focus of the book, with actual characters and plot being almost nonexistent. It's like modern comic writers just completely forgot what comics or even basic story structures are supposed to be.
Green Arrow was one of the worst offenders in the 70's and 80's, but even then he spent most of the time shooting alien robots. And when he DID get preachy, it just made Green Lantern cooler.
I read someone, somewhere on the internet who put it best: That basically the problem is not just the pushing of an agenda, but pushing the agenda to the forefront of the book so that the politics is more important to the story, and also that the "political" parts are presented almost invariably as "the good guys have my political views, the bad guys have the political views I hate, and the bad guys are bad simply because of their political views."
This lady is hard to listen to, she stutters constantly, pauses, has weird hysterical emotional outbursts, and doesn't finish sentences, its like she cannot hold a thought long enough to form a single coherent sentence, which shows in her terrible books.
Seems like it
Holy crap, she sounds EXACTLY like Chanty Binx AKA Big Red. It can't be just a coincidence, this is some kind of yet undocumented syndrome.
Canalus what exactly is it that causes a middle aged woman to think that talking like an 18 year old is normal?
It's narcissism with retardation. The results are extreme from the specific way these two things mix.
You never see her and Big Red in the same room together. Hmm.
It's documented in SJWs Always Double Down.
i still can't believe someone is named "Chanty". She was doomed from the start
I think I'm not going to buy another marvel comic until Daddy Disney comes in and cleans house completely because these people have destroyed something I once loved. I'll stick to DC until they get cringey as marvel then I'll probably drop them too.
sj conker Oh I know they're with it but for ffs can a man dream that they will see the error of their ways and just Purge the shit out of these freaks!
Dark Horse is the best comic company right now.
When you get more views on your videos than thier comics sold
Ew, someone married that?
Bro I bet she has a magical vagina
yes, there are these things called cucks.
Bro she was probably different person, before the feminist virus.
Bro she must be very fucking good or thigth
Fraction is no prize himself. Stereotypical beta hipster. Also she's quite a bit older than him, so he probably has a mommy fetish
Hahaha I watched the full interview and I'm pretty sure the guy interviewing her is drunk af.
Don’t like it, don’t buy it? Yeah, twist my arm, lady. I’ll pass on your crap.
Comics in the 40s started out as WW2 propaganda, then Cold War propaganda, then got more diverse & political in the 60s & 70s with the Civil Rights movement and then got even more diverse and eccentric and adult in the 80s while using allegory as a tool to cleverly (or sometimes clumsily, but these were old comics and as a modern reader you could appreciate or at least be amused by the more dated storylines) discuss important social and political issues at the time like racism, war, genocide, government oppression, the aids crisis, teenage drug use, etc, etc.
The difference now is that writers back then used to actually give a shit what their readers thought. That was the whole point. They actually *wanted* their readers to buy their books, so they didn't inject a bunch of vain, annoying identity politics into their books that clearly (going by Marvel's sales numbers nowadays) nobody wants to see in a superhero book.
Politics in superhero comics are best done through allegory. What we have right now are a bunch of ideologues who like to project not only their personalities onto their characters when writing them but their political beliefs as well, and it is not subtle at all. It's not that you can't have diverse characters, it's how you write them. (I mean, Marvel is/was already diverse, but whatever.) Claremont's X-Men were extremely diverse but they were not marketed as "hey look! it's that diverse team! we have a black woman! and a jewish girl! and a russian! and a german catholic! and..." everybody wasn't dumbed down to their demographic status and most of the time, their religion or ethnicity was also tied into their story in some way. For example, the first time the reader learns that Nightcrawler is Catholic is also the first time they learn Wolverine doesn't believe in God, the reveal of the two character's faiths only lasts one page, tells us more about the characters, and highlights the contrast between Nightcrawler and Wolverine's personalities all while furthering their friendship. Claremont doesn't try to scream about how progressive he is for adding a Catholic and an Atheist to his cast of characters and he doesn't dwell on it too long, it's a nice moment and he moves on with the story. With stories like Ms. Marvel, Mockingbird, Iceman, America, etc the writers clearly cannot let go of their political ideology for one second to tell a story. If these "writers" wanna get political about comics they can stick to writing 2,000 word articles on Mother Jones and Bleeding Cool on why Power Girl's boob window has set the entire Feminist movement back fifty years and Um how it's basically made women slaves now, thanks.
So much truth in this.
The interviewer looks scared lol
The moment you give Captain America or Superman a political party to adhere to is the moment you ostracize half of your audience.
Kelly Sue is responsible for the death of Carol Danvers and her resurrection into the over emotional, hotheaded, fascist nutcase called Captain Marvel. Kelly, you ruined one of my favorite superheroines. I will never forgive you.
That guy looks like he is terrified of being there & doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.
I've read a bunch of "how to write comics" books over the years. Some suck, some are informative, some are just one writers point of view. However, almost all of them, usually in the first chapter or introduction talks about key principles or guidelines one should follow when writing a comic book. These key principles can be boiled down to these three golden rules. 1. Know what your talking about. 2. Care about what you write. 3. Be objective. As a side note to being objective is, don't grind any axes or pursue an agenda, because it is the sure fire method to losing readers. I'll add one more concept and that is conflict. There has to be some kind of heroes journey. It would seem that all modern writers not only ignore, what countless books on writing tell you, but violate ever principle. I've learned a lot of this by getting my stuff out there and having many people telling me I was doing it wrong. Therefore, I went looking for guidance in how to books. I've kind of gone on my own journey to change and get better and after 30+ years, still learning. I also find it weird that Bendis seems to break his own rules he sets for other aspiring writers in his how to book. What I'm saying is this. There are rules to wrighting comics, movies, plays,etc. rules laid down by the masters. Follow them! Study them! If your supposed to be progressive than progress and constantly learn the craft. I've been trying my whole life and I still have a long way to go. I understand there are prodigies out there, but none of these young writers with either no real life experiences or willing ness to do the research and talk to those who do have no business doing professional level work.
"I'm on the right side of history!" said the person quoted in a history book on a page together with despotic regimes and authoritarian inhumane maniacs.
Listening to this chick's voice I thought my brain would melt, and come dribbling out my nose and ears.
There's a difference between being political and being a partisan shill.
You can check out her story telling skills over at Geek and Sundry. On Wil Wheaton's 4th season of Table Top she is one of the guests in a story progression game. Every time it was her turn to contribute you could just see the struggle she had to form a thought as everyone else playing threw out dozens of narrative hooks. It was painful to watch.
"If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book." CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.
Your videos, especially this one, helped me come to the realization that sjw's will never leave comics. Other entertainment industies like movies, tv, large circulation magazines and large internet companies will never hire these people. The other industries require professional collaboration, and sjw's cannot collaborate with anyone outside their echo chamber. Comics is their safehaven.
The premise isn't completely wrong. Even "apolitical" fiction inherently injects philosophy into itself, and philosophy is the foundation of politics. The problem is that HER philosophy is the spite-fueled, self-contradicting philosophy of tyrants. Not all politics are created equal, and our (extremely successful) society is built on the idea that democracy, due process, free speech, and free markets will always expose and defeat sophists (like her) who seek to infringe on the freedom of others. You should proudly inject good philosophy into your works while openly rejecting bad philosophy and using the tools provided by a capitalist democracy to eject it.
_"If you don't like my politics, don't buy my comic books. Problem solved"_
I mean, inevitably her comic books *will* get cancelled due to not enough sales, which she apparently doesn't care about.
"Comics have never been apolitical, you just haven't been paying attention."
They were also entertaining, insightful and engaging. I guess she wasn't paying attention.
I love how calm you are when doing this. I don't think I could stay this calm, I know I couldn't. But you laugh off a lot of stuff. I'm not a comic book fan, but I am a media fan like everyone else and this stuff is infecting everything. I need to adopt a calmer attitude about it like you so my blood pressure can go down to normal levels haha.
She is right, we don't buy her crap. It will fail...maybe not now, but she won't last very long. I think even marvel will turn it around...or we'll keep not buying their trash.
An independent creator is more than welcome to say, "If you don't like my book, don't buy it." It's their book. If they want to write something with an intended audience of 12 then that is just fine. That is EXACTLY what the independent comics have always been for, targeting the satellite fandoms that want something different from what Marvel or DC make as a whole.
I don't read a lot of independents because I like what Marvel and DC made. So now that Marvel is being run like an independent I guess my only option is DC... but I don't like DC that much! I'm an old school Marvel Zombie. As a kid I didn't have a lot of friends, if I had one I was doing well and most of the time that ended with the one friend I had moving away or joining up with the other kids to bully me. I brought some of it on myself, I was a weird kid in a town too small to have another weird kid in my class, in a time where my kind of weird just meant you were a target.
So I was lonely and sad most of the time (and as it turns out Vitamin D deficient. Seriously, if you have depression look up Vitamin D deficiency ... don't wait till your 40 and have lost all your hair at 25.) but I had comic books to give me something to focus on. I had characters who objectively had it worse than me doing the right thing regardless. I had a place where I could at least observe camaraderie and friendship even if I couldn't participate. Marvel comics taught me that it isn't about saving the world. It's about doing what you can to help those you can because you can. Super-heroes have greater power so they can do more but the concept is the same as helping someone change a tire or lift a refrigerator into a truck when you see them struggling.
The characters were the only friends that I could count on not to suddenly hate me without any reason that I could discern. Their world was my refuge from my tiny little town and all of the crap that went with it. Marvel Comics are important to me in a foundational manner. Seeing my friends change without warning and behave so unlike themselves is upsetting. Feeling judged and rejected by the one place where I felt accepted and welcomed is heart breaking and it makes me feel like I did back in school.
Anyway. That was a lot more than I intended to write. and sort of drifted in the middle there. Sorry for the rant. :P
Glad to hear that you've overcome your hardships. I also feel the same way. My solace was manga and art.
@@artprincess3996 I didn't do much Manga. Anime, comics and art I did. Did you have a preferred artist who you aped before developing your own style? :)
" If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book." That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. When someone criticizes you, you think about what they are criticizing and change it. The only time when this doesn't happen is when its a small group of people saying its bad or its wrong or any other criticism, but when its a large group of people who constantly have the same complaints, well as the saying goes, "The customer is always right." Denying people the change they want will only do one thing, hurt your wallet! I know money isn't everything but you gotta put food on the table, and to basically say, "If you don't like what i'm doing, I don't want your money." is ridiculous. Its almost as If you don't want to make a profit, you just want to destroy an industry.
The real problem with most of these people saying not to buy their books, is that it's not their books, not their characters, not their world, they're given licence to work with it. They are holding hostage the things people have loved for decades.
There's nothing wrong with cursing. The only thing to consider is people will judge you, but other than that it's fine.
"If you don't like my politics, don't buy my books. Problem solved." Okay, this is what gets me-if you're writing a story with political themes (I'm going through the process of writing an indie comic book myself right now and plan on having some but good story first obviously), wouldn't you want to challenge and engage readers who wouldn't necessarily agree with your views?
Also, that "what comic books are you reading" screeching...it's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
I was a kid in the 70's. And I don't remember Spiderman ever defeating Electro and then telling him he was a fool for voting for Democrats. This woman and her ilk need to site examples of their insane claims.
She looks like she follows Anne Rice
Because this SJW writer and Syfy get their vid shown here, I kinda feel like they're getting waaaaaayyyy more publicity then they really deserve. I feel like they were destined to fade into obscurity and by showing them in this vid, they are gonna be able to claim they are much bigger than they actually are or deserve to be. Maybe I'm wrong.
Ah, the good old "Ignore them if you want them to leave"
Doesn't work. If they don't have a boogyman, they create one. Look at Briana Wu making up harassment on steam for her own game.
We found out just because she forgot to log off her own account before auto-cyber-bullying herself.
You do realize that Kurt cobain was a proud feminist and would absolutely be considered an SJW by today's standards, right?
Revel Rosz I have no problem with Cobain's feminism. I am in support equal rights for women. Do not make assumptions about me without knowing me. In fact--and I hate that I have to say this-- I support equality for all. Though it seems that far too many in the Social Justice movement do not want equalitu.
Believe it or not Revel but someone used to be able to associate with someone else, even if they didn't agree with them politically, without being accused of being either a nazi or an SJW (pre-2013). Besides feminism was not the cultural force it is today back in the 20th century, nor was it as cancerous (although retrospectively the seeds were obviously being planted).
i.e. I love Orson Scott Card's novels despite my ideological opposition to him)
G Gutherie well said. And Helen Pluck rose wrote an article called "Why I no Longer Identify as a Feminist. " You can google it if you want, but she claims she was a feminist in the 80s and 90s-same time Kurt Cobain was alive and then the postmodernism feminists took over and rather than supporting equality for all, the postmodernists want equality for all but straight white men who are viewed as "the enemy. " If Kurt Cobain were alive today I have no doubt his views would not be embraced by the SJWs. He wanted equality for all. Not to take any away from anyone.
I bought my first superhero comic book in 1974. comic books in the 1970s were not " extremely political" like this ignorant... woman says. when somebody made a significant political statement in a comic book, like the Nixon Captain America thing, it was news. because that shit didn't happen that often
do you know what Comics did have a whole lot of the 1970s? They had a whole lot of fun stories that people actually wanted to read. they had the Avengers battling the Squadron sinister and the Defenders and Ultron. they had Hulk smash and brother voodoo and Son Of Satan and the deadly hands of kung fu. they had Conan the Barbarian wenching and fighting his way across the hyborian world. they had giant size Man-Thing.
She's Not Just cherry picking facts, she's literally just making shit up about what Comics were like back then.
"Captain America is a SJW."
Make her read how Captain America reacts whenever the government or the public try to get a black super hero into the Avengers only beause he is black.
Comics have had political themes, yes, but they were not the only thing they talked about all the time. Actually, when the time came to tackle a theme like that, it was even a special event, like "God Loves, Man Kills".
I love how the SJWs use "if you don't like it, don't buy it". That's what we were saying when the whole SJW movement started!
Don't like Vampirella's costume? Don't buy it!
Don't like Catwoman using her sexiness as a weapon? Don't buy it!
But, they wouldn't accept that argument. That's why we have to have C&D, now.
I don’t understand why y’all are so bothered by her. We see extremely political views all the time, I thought we would be used to it by now. Yeh comics don’t have to be political, but if that’s what she wants her comics to be then she is allowed to do that, she has freedom of speech. If y’all are so pressed seeing extreme views that make you uncomfortable do as she says and don’t buy the book. Instead of judging her books for having an opinion, judge the bad character development and absurd story-lines. And Diversity and comics, please stop insulting the way she looks and just insult her comic.
omg she is basically being featured and interviewed and she thinks its appropriate to do voices and scream, is she 6yrs old? how people like her hold a job for any length is insane.
...And the award for Best Actress goes to...(drum roll please)...Not Her! It sounds like she's trying to do a female Woody Allen impersonation. She comes off as a phony wannabe intellectual. I feel sad for the people around her who have to deal with this on a daily basis.
There was another post on Syfy with her. I had to unfollow their page. Frustrating that this stuff is literally everywhere anymore. Had to stop watching a daily movie news podcast recently because they started doing the whole victim culture, feminazi and bashing as they said "stupid white males". I watched their show daily for 5yrs. So many forms of entertainment have been just ruined for me.
"You just haven't been paying attention." Wow, man. I *so* just got TOLD.
Wow did she actually say "if you don't like my politics..." I have never seen or heard of a writer saying this before. That's insane. Why are you putting so much of your politics into your comics anyway? You're supposed to just tell a good story. No wonder her comics sale so low.
The worse part of this video is that dude. What a doormat.
Literally just threw my trade paper back of her Captain Marvel run in the trash not but halfway into this video. Holy damn, she can’t actually be a real person, can she? It’s like if feminism itself actually gained sentience.
like James brown said :she's " talkin' aloud, ain't sayin' nothin'".
There's a giant contradiction here. If old comics were oh so political, if Captain America was a social justice warrior... then why is this new crop of Marvel writers/editors/artists having to change up everything... and defend it... and tell us we should like it and if we don't there's something wrong with us? If the new we don't like is no different from the old... why change it so much?
I am offended.
I like to cuss and I ain't no SJW.
Edit: SJWs stole my culture!
Every time someone does a captain america origins story (besides nick spencer) Steve is always a nerd with a good art sense and skill for drawing.
With a poor family an abusive/drunk dad, bullied by the big kids on the block and with a bunch or illnesses and handicaps that didn't allowed him to be enlisted.
what privilege he had?
Same for chris evans, she doesn't know where he come from, if he had any hardships growing up? how can she claim that he had privilege?
"There's something masculine about science fiction" - Yes. The "science" part.
anyone notice that when female centric superhero comics started happening, they became less about fighting and doing heroic shit, and more about relationships and feelings. they made the hulk a book about she-hulk going on a blind date. yes girls have always read comics, they were called archie comics. boys wanna read about punching stuff, not relationships and 'the science'.
I agree that comics have had politics in them. But it was so well written that that those politics weren't getting in the way of the story. "God Loves, Man Kills" is a clear shot at Christians in the 80s going after homosexuals, but it is so well written that the politics of it doesn't detract from the story. Marvel's street level heroes like Power Man had racial politics in them, but again the stories were so well written that the politics didn't detract from the stories. In Green Arrow there has always been an underlying liberal bias but for the most parts the stories are well written and don't end up getting sideways because of the politics. Mike Grell's run with the Longbow Hunters is a great example of that.
The problem with these writers is that can't get out of their own way to write a good comic. They can't let themselves write a subtle comic story. It has to be in your face and screaming at the top of it's lungs. You cannot write a good fictional story that isn't directly a political story (look at something like the West Wing) and it be good if the politics are in your face.
Love your videos, big shout out from Britain.
That's what I'm doing not buying your books.
My mom always told me that if you kept a face long enough, it would stay like that. I never believed it until I saw that lady.
I think the basic problem is writers and artists like her think they are the majority out there and that their "brave" comics will help these repressed souls out of the shadows they have been living under for centuries. That white men have been keeping this medium of entertainment from them since it's inception. With such a righteous sense of purpose, truth bombs don't go over so well for them.
Ah kelly sue deconnick, the woman who ruined Carol danvers. So yes she did take something from me, a good character.
I bought a comic from Amazon about a week ago and got an email saying I could pick a Marvel comic for free. I didn't take it.
They will only talk to someone who will validate their behavior. And they can't listen to any ideas that contradicts their own. I don't waste my time even talking to one of them, because their not there to listen but to push their views on people.
I bet she is just an absolute pleasure to be around. *rolls eyes*
"If you don't like my politics don't buy my book." Looking at the sales...... Mission Accomplished!
I keep expecting her to shout at that guy "No capes"!!
To be fair, it was Warren Ellis who got them their jobs because they became besties on Ellis' board.
What did a certain president say a couple of years ago? "You didn't build this"?
It may be her books, but it's not her characters. She is just one of the many custodians.
How can one person be so wrong yet think they are the authority on the subject. Oh ya, she is a feminist... therefore lives in a bubble of emotional validation. Capt America was a soldier in WWII then used his skills to keep America safe. I love her suggestion about Twitter but yet her side does the very opposite. Twitter is a public access, open forum. Is she mad that nobody is buying her book and getting crapped on by everyone that isn't under her thumb? Their version of social justice does nothing. They think that raising awareness is doing something, which is literally crying out for someone smarter to figure out a solution. A great person told me that "any idiot can see a problem. It takes a person intellect to find a solution."
Oh ya let's bring up better titles like X-men in 1975 that was literally saved my diversity and is a flagship title. Why not focus on those books to see how to create your product? These people are clueless on what they are doing.
First thing that came to mind when I saw her face:
"You say
I only hear what I want to
And you say
I talk so all the time, so..."
i love how her argument is we used to do this so we need to continue doing it. very progressive. why doesnt she just go back to being a housewife if she wants to do what we did in the 70s. sjws are incapable of saying something that isnt hypocritical.
Lol good laughs tonight, thanks D&C
They are trying to apply fandom, fan fiction rules to a industry. It's fine to say if you don't like it don't buy it when it's YOUR indie free webcomic. You doing that strictly off of your passion. However, when you become apart of an industry and what your are creating isn't working you have to change. Especially if your the new comer.
I actually just watched a Comics explained video on Spawn Kills Everyone today. There should still be 2 million comic buyers across the country
Shes basically saying she wants to live in an echo chamber...
SYFY gone to shit and it's funny seeing recently the chiller channel being pulled from other cable companies . With Comet Tv, El Rey , the streaming services(Netflix, Shudder) and pirating, recently canceling some recent popular shows, and just relying on asylum movies , SYFY is in deep shit.
Comet TV is so great 👍
HerDark Majesty It started when Sci-fi became "syfy".
That video triggered me so hard. The raw condescension in that lady's every word
i would love to interview marvel about the sales of captain marvel. not being adversarial but i really want to know what they think of the fact that , that book doesn't sell. they keep changing the creative team and still doesn't sell.
That's the face of impotent bitterness.
"I literally can't even!"
The woman is a living self-parody.
And that face! Ugh!
And can't forget the problem glasses. And hair dyed an unnatural color. How many more cliches can she hit?
Problem Glasses: Check
Unnatural Hair Colour: Check
Harpy Voice: Double check
Is she related to Big Red? or does she just suffer the same condition?
Kelly Sue looks like Big Red
Where exactly does the self-defeating attitude readily apparent in the SLW mentality come from?
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Thanks for reading if you did!
Evolution is usually used to demonstrate something getting better as time passes. Using this to describe comics today is a fail
The reason they pause like that all the time is because they have to double check their words to make sure they are not about to say something that their backbiting friends can call them out on.
I'm 20. I was reading Spider-Man in 2010. That date with Captain Marvel issue. She was fun, sexy, a bit of a tom boy, but with long gorgeous hair. I read that issue and said "The hell with Mary Jane, I want her dating Spider-Man!" It was basically what if Mary Jane were Superman... It was *very* apolitical. It was just a fun date issue. But now, I'm very glad Spidey isn't tied to Carl Manvers.
Are you talking about Blink spilling out of her top? That picture had waaaay more problems than that. While it's an inaccurate rendering of the character, it was overall just a bad drawing.
Apolitical Comics I’m currently reading: Invincible, Superman, Batman, Dark Knights Metal, Aquaman, Supersons, Teen Titans...
Given how boy and girl children tend to write in their early years, there is something to the idea that comics are innately more attractive to boys (properly high testosterone people). These folks tend to write about people doing things, then feeling about them, while higher oestrogen types wil tend to write about people feeling things and, maybe, doing something. Especially since the death of thought bubbles, the design of comics have massively shifted to the testosterone end of writing, or have followed the manga approach of breaking flow to talk about feelings I the middle of the action (see falcon-cap).
Note that "good writing" tends to follow the oestrogen line, though that might be more to do with the opportunity for decompressed flowery language and tons of adjectives. The fact that we have to force them to conform to an unnatural writing and even thinking style has been one of the noted factors of why boys have fallen behind in creative writing in the UK.
I was a comic fan during the late 60's up thru the mid 80's and Stan and the bullpen were liberal leaning, but they told great stories that very occasionally contain subtle political messages. They also had different political views in their line, no side was left out and all politics were subtle secondary things dominated by good interesting stories.
Reads "SJW Comic Book Writer Does Not Want You To Buy Her Books". Adjusts glasses. Loudly sips tea. Clears throat. "Ah yes... we studied this strategy in Princeton. It is called the "Eric Cartman Business Model. It's super effective."