It is very frustrating not to be able to see such an important film! Does anyone know how one can see it? PBS hasn't run it since '09, and it's not available from Netflix, even though many POVs are. To Alex's mom, thanks for letting the film get made.
I was a pupil at this school before and after this was filmed an at the time there was only 1 black child there and 2 brown, i felt this school to be extremely unhelpful and extremely traumatizing, imagine being under the age of 12 & being pinned to the floor by 3 fully grown adults on a regular basis
I don't get what kind of school it was. Because one parent mentioned she felt her son had been taken off of her. She certainly didn't seem to have any say in her son's care. I felt like it was basically kids who were taken off their parents and placed here. It seemed more like a specialist children's home. And it felt like they were a bit rough with them in some instances.
I'm not so sure. Because I don't think they are doing that for the sake of it or to be cruel. The violence has to be bad for them to pin them down. Most of the time they aren't pinning them down. But descalating the violence as much as possible. But I suppose it depends on the staff at the time. As sometimes power can be abused. Maybe it wasn't like that with you. Imagine being under 12 and getting caned. That's what you would have had back in the day. This school although don't always get it right. Is the best place for some kids.
@@louwinters508 Pinning kids down on the floor is abusive and I turn my head every time I see those teachers pinning Ben on the floor cause pinning down is abusive and painful and if Ben’s Mother and Father see that they are gonna be pissed at the teachers for doing that to him cause teachers these days have the most shitty training skills in the world
@@HunterJoyner-q9s would they care. They are the reason he was in there in the first place. Because they abused each other infront of him. Brought him up in a violent household. Where his mother stabbed his father infront of the kids. And Ben had to deal with that all his life. They pinned him down cause he's violent. What do want them to do stand there and let him abuse the fck out of them. This isn't teachers today. This is 15 years ago. And also Ben has been taken away from his parents. This place was for kids who are violent or have severe behaviour issues. I don't like to see it either but the behaviour they deal with unbelievable. Kids trying to kill each other, kill staff. If you don't believe me just look up Jon venables and Robert Thompson. Kids can be incredibly violent.
I was a pupil at this boarding school, and im 18 years of age looking back on my time there ive come to realise that i was basically in prison, because i compared it tp my time in a young offenders institution and found mulberry bush was alot worse than feltham hmp yoi as i leave this comment in 2015 7:59am sunday 25th january,
Wow was it that bad. Did they beat you and threaten you. You were there from anywhere from 20 to 13 years ago. Around the time this film was made. Seems harsh. I find it sad to see anyone end up in a place like that. Yeh it does like like a prison for kids. Some of the stuff I did not agree with.
...yes, but the parents featured in this film were equally vulnerable. How might the children reflect on this when they have moved away from this situation or grown up?
It depends I would say. Being taken from your home. Has a detrimental effect. With Michael's family. You can tell his mother is developmently delayed. As is Michael in a lot if ways. He may gave improved. But he was still spitting at people aged 12. it is difficult to tell. As we don't know the family background. We don't know the real reason why they are there. With Ben. Well there was domestic violence. His mum stabbed his dad. Fatally. Unlikely because she is free. It depends on how things went down so to speak. And why they were put there. Most people forgive but never forget. You got to realise when you grow up that parents aren't perfect. They maybe should have been more patient, kind and put their kid first but they didn't. Because they can't. They haven't got it in them half the time. And that is when the kid suffers. My friend was abandoned aged 15. And completely cut off from his family. His behaviour was bad. But he had suffered abuse from his aunt. And his mother was always working. He had no attention. It was the best thing for him. People have to understand that these behaviours are from severly disturbed children. That have known horrors.
I often pondered this... probably through a social worker if he was taken away from his parents, otherwise his parents can give consent. It's also in Great Britain and they have different regulations on that (if you're from America).
Any day that I feel that I had a tough time on the job, I just look at this documentary, seeing teachers being assaulted, spat upon, having objects thrown at them. They must see a much better reward than their salary.
@kirsty0569 Perhaps they will be intrigued as to why the world took an interest in them. I'm not going to assume the worst; they may find it an interesting retrospective.
@@aquam358 They weren't sent there by there parents. I think it was a school for kids who were taken off their parents. Or given up by their parents due to out of control behaviour.
@@louwinters508 That maybe be true. But, quite understandably, due to confidential discretion neither of us are privy to the arrangements of whether or not the parents were involved in sending their children to that school.
Man I wanna time travel all the way to 2007 and watch this over and over again
2:46 I love how Michael said California that made me goof around wanting to have fun in California
It is very frustrating not to be able to see such an important film! Does anyone know how one can see it? PBS hasn't run it since '09, and it's not available from Netflix, even though many POVs are. To Alex's mom, thanks for letting the film get made.
You can see it on UA-cam
I was a pupil at this school before and after this was filmed an at the time there was only 1 black child there and 2 brown, i felt this school to be extremely unhelpful and extremely traumatizing, imagine being under the age of 12 & being pinned to the floor by 3 fully grown adults on a regular basis
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Yes, I agree. I think they went a bit too far in their handling of the students.
I don't get what kind of school it was. Because one parent mentioned she felt her son had been taken off of her. She certainly didn't seem to have any say in her son's care.
I felt like it was basically kids who were taken off their parents and placed here. It seemed more like a specialist children's home.
And it felt like they were a bit rough with them in some instances.
I'm not so sure. Because I don't think they are doing that for the sake of it or to be cruel. The violence has to be bad for them to pin them down. Most of the time they aren't pinning them down. But descalating the violence as much as possible. But I suppose it depends on the staff at the time. As sometimes power can be abused.
Maybe it wasn't like that with you.
Imagine being under 12 and getting caned. That's what you would have had back in the day.
This school although don't always get it right. Is the best place for some kids.
@@louwinters508 Pinning kids down on the floor is abusive and I turn my head every time I see those teachers pinning Ben on the floor cause pinning down is abusive and painful and if Ben’s Mother and Father see that they are gonna be pissed at the teachers for doing that to him cause teachers these days have the most shitty training skills in the world
@@HunterJoyner-q9s would they care. They are the reason he was in there in the first place. Because they abused each other infront of him. Brought him up in a violent household. Where his mother stabbed his father infront of the kids. And Ben had to deal with that all his life.
They pinned him down cause he's violent. What do want them to do stand there and let him abuse the fck out of them.
This isn't teachers today. This is 15 years ago. And also Ben has been taken away from his parents.
This place was for kids who are violent or have severe behaviour issues.
I don't like to see it either but the behaviour they deal with unbelievable. Kids trying to kill each other, kill staff. If you don't believe me just look up Jon venables and Robert Thompson. Kids can be incredibly violent.
I know that teacher at the end she was wearing purple she goes blue gate fields junior school
I was a pupil at this boarding school, and im 18 years of age looking back on my time there ive come to realise that i was basically in prison, because i compared it tp my time in a young offenders institution and found mulberry bush was alot worse than feltham hmp yoi as i leave this comment in 2015 7:59am sunday 25th january,
Yeah, I agree. Mulberry Bush school needs to shut down.
Wow was it that bad. Did they beat you and threaten you.
You were there from anywhere from 20 to 13 years ago. Around the time this film was made.
Seems harsh. I find it sad to see anyone end up in a place like that. Yeh it does like like a prison for kids.
Some of the stuff I did not agree with.
Michael and Ben and Alex are my favorites
....would be interested to know how the consent of an eight year old was obtained in the making of this film?
...yes, but the parents featured in this film were equally vulnerable. How might the children reflect on this when they have moved away from this situation or grown up?
It depends I would say. Being taken from your home. Has a detrimental effect.
With Michael's family. You can tell his mother is developmently delayed. As is Michael in a lot if ways. He may gave improved. But he was still spitting at people aged 12.
it is difficult to tell. As we don't know the family background. We don't know the real reason why they are there.
With Ben. Well there was domestic violence. His mum stabbed his dad. Fatally. Unlikely because she is free.
It depends on how things went down so to speak. And why they were put there.
Most people forgive but never forget. You got to realise when you grow up that parents aren't perfect. They maybe should have been more patient, kind and put their kid first but they didn't. Because they can't. They haven't got it in them half the time. And that is when the kid suffers.
My friend was abandoned aged 15. And completely cut off from his family. His behaviour was bad. But he had suffered abuse from his aunt. And his mother was always working. He had no attention. It was the best thing for him.
People have to understand that these behaviours are from severly disturbed children. That have known horrors.
I often pondered this... probably through a social worker if he was taken away from his parents, otherwise his parents can give consent. It's also in Great Britain and they have different regulations on that (if you're from America).
I wonder why England is the best in the U.K in Europe?
Any day that I feel that I had a tough time on the job, I just look at this documentary, seeing teachers being assaulted, spat upon, having objects thrown at them. They must see a much better reward than their salary.
@kirsty0569 Perhaps they will be intrigued as to why the world took an interest in them. I'm not going to assume the worst; they may find it an interesting retrospective.
@TheHayleydensley im a pupil from that school
the school is rubbish
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Yeah, I agree. I would never think of sending any future kids of mine to this abusive institution.
Aqua M but the kids were abusive, spitting, kicking, throwing chairs?! You have to restrain them period!
@@nikkicas260 that's your opinion and you're entitled to it as I am mine!
@@aquam358 They weren't sent there by there parents. I think it was a school for kids who were taken off their parents. Or given up by their parents due to out of control behaviour.
@@louwinters508 That maybe be true. But, quite understandably, due to confidential discretion neither of us are privy to the arrangements of whether or not the parents were involved in sending their children to that school.
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