There's so much wrong on this tram line : -Speed limits are so low compared to what could be done -The driver is never at the maximum speed (30km/h on the first 50km/h section... really??) -The driver is accelerating so slow omg... Like this tram can go up to 80 km/h and could be accelerating a lot fast -Why is the priority at intersection is not picked way before it did ?? This should be picked 50m before the signal -The priority at intersection is almost useless at this point... And it seem that at some intersection signals doesn't even register a demand for priority -Why signals do not indicate that they're going to be "green" ?? This would allow drivers to decelerate way less At 24:30, the tram is staying 2 minutes 10 seconds at the same stop because of the signal, no words
@@spring-jo8xv I live in France, and I know for sure that our trams are much faster than this one. I live in Dijon and and on both 2 lines, I can assure you that trams almost never stop at a crossing
@@spring-jo8xv compare to every tram system in France, this one is way to slow. It's a brand new tram system, it should be way more efficient compare to older system we have
Having a tram sit at an empty intersection for an extended time is both frustrating and unnecessary. Some signals need to be programmed for tram priority! It's a cheap fix and would shorten the route time. While I understand the aesthetic benefit of that short wire-free section, was it really worth the expense and the complexity?
The wire free sections prevent the two tram divisions from interchanging, a matter of two private operators protecting their space. This is an excessively expensive slow public transport system that reduces Sydney’s, traffic movement. Trams of old and in other countries use ballasted track covered with asphalt, a quick cheap and economical way of rapidly developing the network.
@@AustNRail the same operator runs both systems which are owned by TfNSW anyway, The problem was that TfNSW knew nothing about track standards and specified differently for the new line.
This is the most agonizingly slow tram driver I have ever seen. he is allowed to go 50. He goes 35. Most of the ride he goes 25. No wonder people do not use this system. What a total fail.
Watch the blue signs on the left. They indicate a ridiculously low speed limit most of the time. Other times, the poorly thought through traffic lights just force the tram to slow down to a crawl. This sort of thing is clearly not the driver's fault: 10:47 tram speed limit 60km/h (yay!) 11:20 tram forced to stop for a traffic light. Even after the tram has already stopped at the lights, the system still lets crossing road traffic go first. Clearly, the driver is not to blame.
My god. A dual busway-tramway at which buses can travel on, a dedicated busway and buses travel on regular roads. Nothing like this comes even close to existing in the car-driven US. Which seems more like a pipe dream. To sweeten the deal in a heavily populated area the catenary ins converted into a seamless third rail so the wires aren't obstructing the skyline. GENIUS!!!! I LOVE IT!
Going by some other comments, the third rail is compensating for a bit of glorious governmental incompetence which has the sections on either side running on mismatched standards.
The traffic lights belong to the Roads Department, and it doesn't want trams interfering with "traffic flows", even if there is no traffic there at the time.
Better than in Christchurch, New Zealand, though the trams here are more of a tourist thing than serious public transport, despite the original intent, due to seriously questionable organizational practices (by which I mean literally one person knew how the heck it was all supposed to work... And died before the first section was done. Or so I recall being told. Might be a myth covering more general incompetence for all I know). Here, the trams have their own phase in the traffic light cycle, rather than any sort of priority. And they don't have a dedicated lane most of the time, so that phase does nothing when there's a car sitting in front of them. (There are a few intersections where they get their own lane for a short distance like turning traffic might, but much like turning traffic, it doesn't help if there are enough cars there first). It does have a few sections where it's not even running down the road at all though (including one bit where it goes right down the middle of an indoor mall).
@@laurencefraser You should see the set up in bendigo, Victoria. It is a single track heritage line. At one intersection, a right turn traffic lane is over the tram tracks, so a tram coming from the opposite direction cannot proceed until all that right turning traffic has cleared; often this does not happen in a single phase. Has been reported that trams have been stuck there for up to 15-20 minutes.
Well done and thanks for the nice video. But... This is by all standards the slowest light-rail operation I've ever seen. Totally inacceptable waiting times at traffic lights (apparently no priority scheme) and painfully slow acceleration and driving speeds. A tunnel section at 30 km/h. It beggars belief. And why the continuous tunnel lighting? Here it's only switched on to signal to the drivers that there are people working in the tunnel. The concreting has alreay been mentioned. The whole construction looks as if they had a lot of money that needed to be spent. All in all a great example of how not to run a LRT system.
Incompetent people in the Transport Department, who actually didn't want the LR in the first place. It was foisted on them by a Government which knew even less about trams.The line was designed by consultants and conglomerates which knew how to extract the most profit out of the government.
I suggest taking a look at the tram system in Christchurch, New Zealand then. It was originally intended to be a full network. Issues in the planning (I'm lead to believe they amounted to "there was only one guy who knew what the heck he was doing... And he died") mean only a single, one way loop in the middle of town got built (they may or may not have managed to finish, or even start, work on a planned extension of even more questionable design in recent years). Said loop does not have dedicated lanes, except briefly at a few intersections. The closest it comes to priority at intersections is its own phase in the light cycle, which it often can't use due to the cars in front of it (shared lanes, remember). It does use some roads that are otherwise pedestrian only, and at one point go right down the middle of an indoor mall, though.
That system looks even slower and stupider than Melbourne's trams. Why design a public transport system around being stuck at red lights most of the time, with vehicles with all of the acceleration of 1970's diesel Ford Granada?
Considering most people in Sydney don't understand how to live with trams, lets give them time to get to speed. I personally think this video shows what cities should be: people walking, no cars, trams.... Very Excellent! George Street is now a pleasant place to be instead of the noisy, stinking chasm it used to be... Well done! Lets get more trams. Its absolutely stupid to design or adapt cites for cars... Another thing: I am not entirely sure of the numbers but one tram can take 150 people? These are double trams which means 200-300 cars aren't driving..... Thats soooo cool!
Not 100% sure, but they don't need special rail vehicles to drive along the tracks to perform maintenance. Edit: It also looks like they can run replacement bus service on the same ROW.
Sharing lanes actually slows the bus down as the drivers have to follow the speed limit whereas in main road they can drive twice as fast. Also the extra traffic light slows both tram and bus down as well. Theres not a lot traffic on the road in that part, so it is a good experiment, but not very useful in this case, in my view.
Jeez that's quite a slow driver. I've been on the trams in Croydon once or twice and their drivers are quite quick off the mark. You get a decent shove in the back once the doors close. Same with the DLR, but those are driverless so that's a different situation
Wish we had something like this here in Eastern Canada, but here in SAint John the Ciuty Coucil is looking at taking away $ 2 million CDN from our underfunded transit system that are buses that are any where from 5 to 15 years old, and all diesel powered.
I agree with Bob. The dwell times and intersection times are far too long. The idea of having double sets in those track conditions are ridiculous. And as for for having that APS (third rail) section, well, that was expensive and unnecessary. The mostly straight track means that the overhead wouldn't be obtrusive. A really dumb idea. Were the drivers trained in Melbourne, the longest system in the world? Apparently not, well not to me. I must disclose a bias - I used to drive trams in Melbourne many years ago, and we used to push those W class trams mercilessly. Absolutely flogged them in fact. And they just kept going, and going, and going.
A well made video, thank you, for that. The trams MUST be allowed to run faster than the motor vehicle speed limit of 40 kmh. Why not 50 km/h from from Central Station to Circular Quay, and from Central station to Randwick, 70 km/h? On the Gold Coast the trams do 70 kmh on reserved track.
@@ProfezorSnayp I agree 100%, it was faster over 100 years ago! I suggested that on reserved track it should travel at 70 km/h and in the streets, 50 km/h .
It's because pedestrians can't be trusted to look and make sure it is safe before crossing the road. I've seen so many close shaves already. A slow tram trip is better than having one stuck for for 30 or 40 minutes to take away a body.
@@aussiegaigin its now down to around 32 mins based on better signalling which is fine. i think the speed limits have stayed the same as you said need to be safe.
Thank you. I noticed there are sections where there doesn't appear to be an overhead wire but there is some sort of "rail" between the tracks. Was thinking maybe they run on battery on those sections. Very interesting.
@@FlorianBoyd This system is called the APS, the third rail sections power up when the tram cover it all. There's another system called the SRS, trams recharge on each stations and contactor are only placed in stations
É um V.L.T ,veiculo leve sobre trilhos muito bom eu chamo de cobrinha,aqui em Santos Litoral de São Paulo tem.e Parabéns pelo vídeo.a única coisa que eu acho errado deles tanto ai como aqui é que eles param em cemafaro pra os carros passarem.
Not only is the slow driver a problem that has been mentioned countlessly in the comment section, but the fact that the tram runs out in the middle of nowhere is ridiculous! Nobody lives on a 5-lane main road! I know that space is an issue but that's not how trams work. Calling it light rail would be misleading too, as the track isn't always separated.
It hardly runs in the middle of nowhere. It starts at Randwick’s shopping area, passes a major university, then runs past a major racecourse, a football stadium and then then main railway station. I lived in this area as a student of the university and the area is dense by Australian standards and in high demand because of the big park (Centennial Park) that the route passes. The problem Sydney has with both light rail routes is that they run so slowly. This isn’t the fault of the driver but the fault of the managers that tell the drivers how they have to drive and the designers that built curves with such low speed limits.
This tram has to be one of the biggest disasters the government has been made over the years. Instead of the metro or underground train system which has been promised over the years, UNSW students now get a slow, traffic jamming light rail, bravo! The stupid tram clear out so many roads and made Anzac parade traffic even worse, brilliant!
What a failure. Australia take a look at european tram networks and learn how to implement a proper tram network. Also, is Sydney becoming little Peking or little Dehli ?
There's so much wrong on this tram line :
-Speed limits are so low compared to what could be done
-The driver is never at the maximum speed (30km/h on the first 50km/h section... really??)
-The driver is accelerating so slow omg... Like this tram can go up to 80 km/h and could be accelerating a lot fast
-Why is the priority at intersection is not picked way before it did ?? This should be picked 50m before the signal
-The priority at intersection is almost useless at this point... And it seem that at some intersection signals doesn't even register a demand for priority
-Why signals do not indicate that they're going to be "green" ?? This would allow drivers to decelerate way less
At 24:30, the tram is staying 2 minutes 10 seconds at the same stop because of the signal, no words
The way that the signal changed to red at 25:05 when it was about to depart.... Desperate
@sylvere barre
so you are the expert...😨 it a lightrail not a bus...seems to me a beautiful system
@@spring-jo8xv I live in France, and I know for sure that our trams are much faster than this one. I live in Dijon and and on both 2 lines, I can assure you that trams almost never stop at a crossing
@@Sylvere21
ok fine, you can't compare it, two different systems, two different cities.
@@spring-jo8xv compare to every tram system in France, this one is way to slow. It's a brand new tram system, it should be way more efficient compare to older system we have
Having a tram sit at an empty intersection for an extended time is both frustrating and unnecessary. Some signals need to be programmed for tram priority! It's a cheap fix and would shorten the route time. While I understand the aesthetic benefit of that short wire-free section, was it really worth the expense and the complexity?
The wire free sections prevent the two tram divisions from interchanging, a matter of two private operators protecting their space. This is an excessively expensive slow public transport system that reduces Sydney’s, traffic movement. Trams of old and in other countries use ballasted track covered with asphalt, a quick cheap and economical way of rapidly developing the network.
@@AustNRail the same operator runs both systems which are owned by TfNSW anyway, The problem was that TfNSW knew nothing about track standards and specified differently for the new line.
This is the most agonizingly slow tram driver I have ever seen. he is allowed to go 50. He goes 35. Most of the ride he goes 25. No wonder people do not use this system. What a total fail.
Totally. Go watch a video of Dublin's Luas system. That's how this system should be running.
Watch the blue signs on the left. They indicate a ridiculously low speed limit most of the time. Other times, the poorly thought through traffic lights just force the tram to slow down to a crawl. This sort of thing is clearly not the driver's fault: 10:47 tram speed limit 60km/h (yay!) 11:20 tram forced to stop for a traffic light. Even after the tram has already stopped at the lights, the system still lets crossing road traffic go first.
Clearly, the driver is not to blame.
自分が乗った時（2020年3月）はバスとはすれ違えませんでした。
キングスフォード方面はもう開通したんですかね。
My god. A dual busway-tramway at which buses can travel on, a dedicated busway and buses travel on regular roads. Nothing like this comes even close to existing in the car-driven US. Which seems more like a pipe dream. To sweeten the deal in a heavily populated area the catenary ins converted into a seamless third rail so the wires aren't obstructing the skyline. GENIUS!!!! I LOVE IT!
Going by some other comments, the third rail is compensating for a bit of glorious governmental incompetence which has the sections on either side running on mismatched standards.
以前、月の1/3はこの街に仕事で滞在してました。懐かしい街並みが一変、George St.から車を排除したのは正解です。昔の出来事を色々思い出しました。ありがとうございます。
これ、我が国でも採用すればいいのにねえ～。特にローカル線で。
軌道を路面電車軌道風に車が走れるようにして、方向をコントロールする案内輪を
別途取り付ければ、簡単に実用化できそうだが。
路面上をバスが走れるって上手いこと考えたよね
How come the tram has to stop for red lights? Usually the light should switch green before the tram arrives at intersection.
The traffic lights belong to the Roads Department, and it doesn't want trams interfering with "traffic flows", even if there is no traffic there at the time.
Better than in Christchurch, New Zealand, though the trams here are more of a tourist thing than serious public transport, despite the original intent, due to seriously questionable organizational practices (by which I mean literally one person knew how the heck it was all supposed to work... And died before the first section was done. Or so I recall being told. Might be a myth covering more general incompetence for all I know).
Here, the trams have their own phase in the traffic light cycle, rather than any sort of priority. And they don't have a dedicated lane most of the time, so that phase does nothing when there's a car sitting in front of them. (There are a few intersections where they get their own lane for a short distance like turning traffic might, but much like turning traffic, it doesn't help if there are enough cars there first). It does have a few sections where it's not even running down the road at all though (including one bit where it goes right down the middle of an indoor mall).
@@laurencefraser You should see the set up in bendigo, Victoria. It is a single track heritage line. At one intersection, a right turn traffic lane is over the tram tracks, so a tram coming from the opposite direction cannot proceed until all that right turning traffic has cleared; often this does not happen in a single phase. Has been reported that trams have been stuck there for up to 15-20 minutes.
Well done and thanks for the nice video. But...
This is by all standards the slowest light-rail operation I've ever seen. Totally inacceptable waiting times at traffic lights (apparently no priority scheme) and painfully slow acceleration and driving speeds. A tunnel section at 30 km/h. It beggars belief. And why the continuous tunnel lighting? Here it's only switched on to signal to the drivers that there are people working in the tunnel. The concreting has alreay been mentioned. The whole construction looks as if they had a lot of money that needed to be spent. All in all a great example of how not to run a LRT system.
fotoralf you hit the nail directly on the head.
Incompetent people in the Transport Department, who actually didn't want the LR in the first place. It was foisted on them by a Government which knew even less about trams.The line was designed by consultants and conglomerates which knew how to extract the most profit out of the government.
I suggest taking a look at the tram system in Christchurch, New Zealand then. It was originally intended to be a full network. Issues in the planning (I'm lead to believe they amounted to "there was only one guy who knew what the heck he was doing... And he died") mean only a single, one way loop in the middle of town got built (they may or may not have managed to finish, or even start, work on a planned extension of even more questionable design in recent years). Said loop does not have dedicated lanes, except briefly at a few intersections. The closest it comes to priority at intersections is its own phase in the light cycle, which it often can't use due to the cars in front of it (shared lanes, remember). It does use some roads that are otherwise pedestrian only, and at one point go right down the middle of an indoor mall, though.
The tram only uses overhead wires at stop station for charging purpose only. Awesome.
No it doesn't, it doesn't even have batteries
That system looks even slower and stupider than Melbourne's trams. Why design a public transport system around being stuck at red lights most of the time, with vehicles with all of the acceleration of 1970's diesel Ford Granada?
Great video!👍
What is the country, please?
Australia
@@nobody5432 thanks ☺
@@nobody5432 The official State territory is NSW
You should come ride the Gold Coast Light Rail!
Considering most people in Sydney don't understand how to live with trams, lets give them time to get to speed. I personally think this video shows what cities should be: people walking, no cars, trams.... Very Excellent! George Street is now a pleasant place to be instead of the noisy, stinking chasm it used to be... Well done! Lets get more trams. Its absolutely stupid to design or adapt cites for cars... Another thing: I am not entirely sure of the numbers but one tram can take 150 people? These are double trams which means 200-300 cars aren't driving..... Thats soooo cool!
Trams do 40 in Melbourne. Why the hell are they so slow for?????
With all the speed of a carnival bumper car.
What must the thinking've been behind fully concreting all those trams-only ROWs?!
Not 100% sure, but they don't need special rail vehicles to drive along the tracks to perform maintenance.
Edit: It also looks like they can run replacement bus service on the same ROW.
The concrete is over a metre thick! Would you pay over $10 Billion for this?
Sharing lanes actually slows the bus down as the drivers have to follow the speed limit whereas in main road they can drive twice as fast. Also the extra traffic light slows both tram and bus down as well. Theres not a lot traffic on the road in that part, so it is a good experiment, but not very useful in this case, in my view.
If the buses were using normal roads, they would be going much slower, with extra intersections to negotiate.
Quero que tenha esse tipo de transporte aqui em Curitiba, muito tecnológico e eficiente!
Jeez that's quite a slow driver. I've been on the trams in Croydon once or twice and their drivers are quite quick off the mark. You get a decent shove in the back once the doors close. Same with the DLR, but those are driverless so that's a different situation
鉄のレールなので、スリップするとかなんかで、日本は採用されていないと、聞いたことがある
Wish we had something like this here in Eastern Canada, but here in SAint John the Ciuty Coucil is looking at taking away $ 2 million CDN from our underfunded transit system that are buses that are any where from 5 to 15 years old, and all diesel powered.
Charles Damery you wouldn’t be able to afford this as the New South Wales Government wasted over $10 Billion on this slow white elephant!
I agree with Bob. The dwell times and intersection times are far too long. The idea of having double sets in those track conditions are ridiculous. And as for for having that APS (third rail) section, well, that was expensive and unnecessary. The mostly straight track means that the overhead wouldn't be obtrusive. A really dumb idea.
Were the drivers trained in Melbourne, the longest system in the world? Apparently not, well not to me. I must disclose a bias - I used to drive trams in Melbourne many years ago, and we used to push those W class trams mercilessly. Absolutely flogged them in fact. And they just kept going, and going, and going.
this electric bus train. looks fun to ride
OMG! George street didn't have trams last when i visited in 2014. It looks so different.
Thing sounds like a diesel bus. Why does it seem so loud lol?
A well made video, thank you, for that. The trams MUST be allowed to run faster than the motor vehicle speed limit of 40 kmh. Why not 50 km/h from from Central Station to Circular Quay, and from Central station to Randwick, 70 km/h? On the Gold Coast the trams do 70 kmh on reserved track.
19 stops in 45 minutes is a joke.
@@ProfezorSnayp I agree 100%, it was faster over 100 years ago! I suggested that on reserved track it should travel at 70 km/h and in the streets, 50 km/h .
It's because pedestrians can't be trusted to look and make sure it is safe before crossing the road. I've seen so many close shaves already. A slow tram trip is better than having one stuck for for 30 or 40 minutes to take away a body.
@@aussiegaigin its now down to around 32 mins based on better signalling which is fine. i think the speed limits have stayed the same as you said need to be safe.
well thats neat we need something like that in america
It's really slow - even riding a normal bike is faster than that.
地表集電方式 っていうやつかぁ・・・架線があるとこと、無いところがある
Thanks for the ride.Wonder if this line actually makes money.
These trams can get power from above and also under?
Not at the same time but yes 😄
Thank you. I noticed there are sections where there doesn't appear to be an overhead wire but there is some sort of "rail" between the tracks. Was thinking maybe they run on battery on those sections. Very interesting.
@@FlorianBoyd This system is called the APS, the third rail sections power up when the tram cover it all. There's another system called the SRS, trams recharge on each stations and contactor are only placed in stations
La verdad es hermoso lo que hicieron, pero comparto mis dudas sobre la utilidad , ademas no tiene prioridad el tranvía EN LOS SEMÁFOROS
Great video! 👍👍🚊🚋🚉
tram looks interesting. Passengers very loud talking or is this just the microphone.
Probably a bit of both, given what I know of public transport, students, and Australians.
41:50 - very close, mistimed it ;)
É um V.L.T ,veiculo leve sobre trilhos muito bom eu chamo de cobrinha,aqui em Santos Litoral de São Paulo tem.e Parabéns pelo vídeo.a única coisa que eu acho errado deles tanto ai como aqui é que eles param em cemafaro pra os carros passarem.
รถรางวิ่งอยู่ที่เมืองอะไร ประเทศไหนครับ
This lightrail system makes Philadelphia PA lightrail system look so outdated
I mean, any public infrastructure in America looks ancient compared to the rest of the western world.
Philadephia system is FAST and efficient, and this thing is super slow and boring.
Maybe but your equivalent distance didn’t cost over $10 Billion did it?
very nice driving video!!! LIKE 658
Not only is the slow driver a problem that has been mentioned countlessly in the comment section, but the fact that the tram runs out in the middle of nowhere is ridiculous! Nobody lives on a 5-lane main road! I know that space is an issue but that's not how trams work. Calling it light rail would be misleading too, as the track isn't always separated.
It hardly runs in the middle of nowhere. It starts at Randwick’s shopping area, passes a major university, then runs past a major racecourse, a football stadium and then then main railway station. I lived in this area as a student of the university and the area is dense by Australian standards and in high demand because of the big park (Centennial Park) that the route passes.
The problem Sydney has with both light rail routes is that they run so slowly. This isn’t the fault of the driver but the fault of the managers that tell the drivers how they have to drive and the designers that built curves with such low speed limits.
Nice video!!!!
This tram has to be one of the biggest disasters the government has been made over the years. Instead of the metro or underground train system which has been promised over the years, UNSW students now get a slow, traffic jamming light rail, bravo! The stupid tram clear out so many roads and made Anzac parade traffic even worse, brilliant!
melbourne?
Sydney
車両長くねww
I was on 41 and 42!!
Oo la..mightiest tram lengths yet 🍺
속도봐라 속터지겠네 자전거가 더빠르겠다
What a failure. Australia take a look at european tram networks and learn how to implement a proper tram network.
Also, is Sydney becoming little Peking or little Dehli ?
They don't even need to look at Europe, one of their own cities (Melbourne) has a particularly good tram system.
Gimme that over little EU
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이걸 대전에 깔겠다는 시장은 대체 무슨 생각일까
nice :)
😊Людей майже немає
Sydney.
Торонто
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