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Hey fam, do you know what language do they speak in Rome in 400 BC? Old Latin, that's different to the Latin you know, have a great time not understanding anything!
@@botanicalbiohacking6065 sardinian accent is most likely to be closest because it still share 95%~ vocabulary with latin opposed to the Italian 85%~ or spanish 75%~ or romanian 60%~
@@botanicalbiohacking6065 Spanish has a heavy Basque substrate and Romanian has a heavy Slavic superstrate. Neither would be appropriate, but perhaps better than the Anglo accent I suppose. Sardinian might be the best option, but even they have their own pre-Roman substrate.
I don't care about his accent, I'm just amazed by the fact that he's fluent in Latin. That he speaks it like a normal language. I learn it in school and I could never imagine doing this. Well, at least before seeing this
Casey hmmm It doesn't sound fluent to me. He is the expert but idk... he puts so much stress in every single word, even in conjuctions and prepositions. Anyway he is better than me.
My latin teacher at highschool is pretty fluent in latin, too. It's really awesome because - even though I understand most of written Latin tought at school - I can't speak in Latin because it's difficult
Exactly !!! LOL. I am a native Portuguese speaker and when I heard him speaking, it sounded more like Old English or some proto germanic. Jeez, the power of an accent...
I took Latin for 7 years and I’m fascinated by this professor’s sentence structure. He seems to be speaking in the interview in English/German-style sentence structure, yet when you read ancient Latin it is much more jumbled with many clauses and often only one or two verbs spread between a multi-line sentence. The way he is speaking it makes it much easier for English speakers to understand
To be fair spoken Latin used less complex sentence structures than the highly refined latin literature. Why? Well first of all its pretty much true for any language. Written Language tends to use more elaborate sentence structurers. The Graffitis in Pompeji, Herculaneum and Stabia (not sure about the last one) show a glimpse of the common mans Latin with sentence structures more akin to modern Italian. Everyday Latin appears to have gotten simpler over time. Similar to ancient Greek which became much easier to understand over time. (Why am I even writing this. I'm confident you already know that anyway)
Probably because he thinks in English an translates it in Latin. I do the same thing when I’m speaking another language. English is not my mother tongue, but I’ve grown up speaking it, and whenever I speak my native Romanian, I speak it from an English perspective, if that makes sense.
Jonas Linter well Italian and the western Romance languages even dropped the Latin case system. And after the fall of the western Roman Empire the Germanic inhabitants of Italy, Spain and France preferred a more Germanic way of speaking Latin, which is why these Romance languages are less inflected and use standalone defínete articles to derive meaning, instead of the Latin case system.
in Spanish it translates to: "Cuanto Podemos" it really cool how both pronunciations in Latin and Spanish are spelled similar and sound almost the same
@@boy-re8ii i was just thinking the same. As someone who speaks spanish, I didn’t even need to read the subtitles half the time because I could kind of figure out what he was saying. It was really cool to experience
@@Daniel-qr1zf I personally use Duolingo and Grammar Rules as training wheels-- the real vocabulary comes from reading a text. I can read the Vulgate just fine now.
Well what do you expect, they're only learning it haha. And as for the accents, accents develope from specific areas, and since Latin is dead, there is no accent for it lol.
@@Xerrand I speak Latin with what is regarded by most to be an historical accent. Basically it is similar to an Italian accent but there are differences, such as a retracted S sound, a retracted M sound and a Trilled R.
@@prometheusrex1 what? Dude that's one of the stupidest segues I have ever seen. The worst thing is that you even try to look clever about it. I think that this is worth of an apology, which I demand based on the asumption that you are intelligent.
@@ondrasvoboda4512 Your demand is irrational. Mr. Wang put at issue the contributions of an organization; I addressed another one of its "contributions." And it's *segue.*
@@prometheusrex1 that would be true if his comment was under "Let's defend Catholic church video" which it is not. None is defending Catholics yet you still have to take a pointless jab at them under Latin video. You both had a point about the language and that's respectable. Problems of the church don't belong here and I think that with at least some self reflection you should see that.
@Sasuke Uchiha Now this is a laugh! My mother tongue is not English - but I'll be more than happy to leave you at your online rant, so, yes, I'll leave it. Have fun and good night.
@Sasuke Uchiha They actually left extensive records on the pronunciation of Latin, such that we know that there is a difference between classical vs ecclesiastical pronunciation. There is a standard pronunciation and meter, and we can figure those out, but you're not likely to hear the meter in anything other than poetry because its hard for a non native to pick it up not speaking to anyone, but it's there, you can work out all the rules and add all the extra markers too. I'm one for more correct pronunciation, though seeing as how this is a professor I'm surprised he still has such an accent and hasn't at least tried to sound Italian or Sardinian (as close as you can get tbh, without the ch shound too). Have you never learned a foreign language? You see the words and speak it natively.. but with practice you too can sound mostly native. No one here made an effort to do that though, but that's not the emphasis.
@@coypu2005 If you speak a language well, it's impossible to deduce what your mother tongue is. If it actually is possible or even easy to say what your mother tongue is while you are speaking a totally different language, it can only mean one thing : your pronunciation is shit.
I live in italy and when i was in high school my latin professor did the same: one hour per week we had conversation in Latin. It's doable, after 3 years of studying :)
@@oicaua7258 In italy we study Latin in some high schools (classical HS, scientific HS, languages HS etc.). I've studied in a scientific high-school and we studied 2 years of Latin GRAMMAR, and 3 more years of Latin translation and Latin literature :D I know, it's kinda crazy. But the saying goes:"Latin opens your mind"
Depends ok the School. I studied Latin and ancient Greek in the hight school: language, literature and translation.
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@@oicaua7258 In Belgium, we have Latin classes in high school as well. I studied it for a year, and my niece studies latin at the moment. We even have old greek classes in high school. (on top of the dutch, french, english and sometimes german classes)
I took Latin in high school for 2 years and I always wished they would "bring it back". Make it a living language again! I wish my Latin teacher were still alive so she could see this. Miss you Mrs. Love!
What he says is so true. You cannot truly learn a language without speaking it. The accent doesn’t matter. Once you speak it and express your thoughts with it, then the way you view the world will change as well and it helps understand the language and native speakers of it easily. This is such a great idea. This is how living languages nowadays is taught everywhere, why not dead languages too?
Written Classical Latin wasn’t meant to be composed and understood in real time. Authors had plenty of time to pre-compose those elaborate sentences, and readers could take the time to puzzle them out. Even those famous speeches in the Senate were probably delivered in more colloquial form and the transcripts (they did have a form of shorthand) edited for publication.
Why would it change the way you see the world? I know enough Germans and Japanese to get through daily life. And I perfectly understand the grammar. But it hasn’t done anything to change my world view?
@@bighands69 That is true, but I was referring to flowery rhetorical speech, which is (in any language) seldom “ad libbed” in normal conversation, but is composed on paper (or nowadays on a screen) and either read by the audience or read aloud to an audience. In languages like Latin, a thought expressed in a sentence with unusual word order can be grammatically correct, and have a beautiful rhythm, yet be difficult to understand, even by a native speaker, without some mental exercise to take it apart and see the relationships between words. An orator reading such a puzzlingly worded speech to a live audience would probably speak more slowly than usual, pronounce each word clearly and slowly, and repeat key phrases and sentences, but these repetitions would probably be omitted from the official transcripts.
@@Rolando_Cueva He was switching it between the two which is very disengaging and unprofessional. Also, his pronunciations are atrocious, even something as simple as pronouncing i as /i/, instead of /ɪ/. Really expected better.
Kali well u see there is something called furniture and modern Newtonian physics this table must assume there is a existence object within these state of affairs in this article of a 3 dimmensional Cartesian x y z system
i said that cuz i don't speak english Xd, all i know is from use google translate too fight in comments wars on youtube, and whatch english content my grammar sucks but i more and more i can understand what do people say
He’s very fluent and erudite in the language, but hearing such a strong American accent in a language so beautiful as Latin is like hearing Bach played on a vuvuzela.
@Barry Keane oh, all I wanted to say is that I find fun and weird the fact that people from different parts of the world understand verbal communication in a very unique way depending on their mother tongue. As I was watching English speakers speaking Latin (a language whose sounds are very familiar to me, a Spanish speaker) I decided to put it that way; there's a mixture of visions when an English speaker faces a language full of sounds which tend to differ from the ones they are used to.
@@HunterShows The sentence is actually pretty weird. The double negative can work (English used to be able to do that), but he put it in the accusative. Which means, it is in the direct object form. That makes no sense, and everything else is wrong..."Video sectionem comment" looks like google translate stuff, honestly. "Anglicus cum accentus" should be "anglicum cum accento".
@@avzarathustra6164 dude the guy who posted the comment was trying real hard to get likes. Let him have fun. There is a dark youtuber who used bloodmagik to summon a spirit that teaches all languages. He is very powerful and beautiful. His page on yt is named "share his vision". Be careful on his page. Nec minus reipub, nocerett huisus secretissimæ artis _in improbos_ et reprobos diuulgata notitia, quam prodesset _in bonos_ .
Hebrew was not a spoken language, it got revived. Even though its "r's" are not rolled anymore and they do not use the recommended word for "tomato", it has successfully been revived. Classical Arabic had less success, but still has success. Since we have precedents, why not try the same for Latin?
Hey, Romance-descended native speaker here. Nothing wrong with "us, Barbarians" speaking our Overlord Masters' Latin with our respective barbarian peasants' accents. All the non-Latin speaking tribes had an accent of their own. Many socii and foederati tribes, while pretty bilingual from birth by acculturation through hundreds of years of Romanization still had their own distinctive accents.
I'm Italian and I live in Rome. I did the Liceo Classico (Classic High School) and this means that I studied Latin and Greek for 5 years. I am not able to speak Latin fluently, but I can say that hearing the people in the video have a hard time distinguishing the single Latin words they say, they really have a very strong accent. Anyway....well done ....AD MAIORA!
Nah, he's pretty clearly not fluent; Latin doesn't sound nearly as stilted when spoken by someone who actually _is_. Here's one of the best speakers in the world: ua-cam.com/video/_OyhWKTmJBo/v-deo.html
@@williams.5952 The guy you linked speaks with a strong Italian pronunciation, but it must be noted that early Latin was spoken rather in the 'harsh' German style that you hear in this video. Btw: is the teacher maybe from Switzerland?
@@guidopahlberg9413 If you think any Roman spoke like the guys in this video, I don't know what to tell you. Luigi isn't a good example of Classical pronunciation either.
Most educated Europeans can, in fact, understand some Latin, so yeah. And it isn't his accent, it's his pronunciation, compare it to reading though as trough.
It’s not that he’s disqualified, it’s just the world has a high standard for the top uni in the world and expect teachers to speak in a more historically accurate manner.
This video brought a lump to my throat and a tear to my eye. I don't care whether the instructor and the students have an English accent. This is cool beyond belief. I just wish that this had been available during my Princeton days.
I studied latin for 5 years at high school so I can understand most of what they say, but speaking Latin fluently is crazy 😱😍 expecially if you are used to speak a completely different language like english. These guys are great
Everyone complaining about his “accent.” Latin is not Italian, and there is proof that “r” in Latin was not a trill, but a tap, unlike Italian/Spanish + other Romance languages. Also, were you people in Rome in 100 CE and remember how they spoke? No one, not even those who dedicate their life to the language of Latin, are 100% that our interpretations of pronunciation are entirely accurate. I think people automatically assume Latin IS Italian, and vice versa. Different languages. Like comparing Old English with Modern English. SOME things may be similar, but they are VERY different.
@King Klebold Well what did the Romans sound like then dickhead? How much Latin can you speak? but I agree American accents do not mix with Latin and Romance languages.
King Klebold >Bashing someone who’s trying to help people learn a language that they probably wouldn’t otherwise just because his accent isn’t perfect Nice
I'm Portuguese and English teacher and I'm amazed by your great work with Latin language at Paideia Institute and I'm frustrated at the same time because I'm Brazilian but my country doesn't really care about the language which is mother of Portuguese... Congratulations for you and you deserve so. Sorrow for me and my country that can't see the real value of this ancient language!
In Romania, Latin is part of the curriculum in elementary school and high school as a mandatory course. We teach it to preserve our heritage and the language of our ancestors.
@@litusbatus Interesting. We have a similar education program in Romania. Latin is taught in elementary school for 1 year in grade 8. Then in high school "liceu" you have a choice to either learn Latin or ancient Greek for 4 years based on the humanities curriculum. But it's mandatory to learn either or. I retract my earlier comment about Italy.
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En las universidades en España, se enseña también el latín. Claro es algo opcional, pero se mantiene ese deseo y decisión que algunos toman por aprender la raíz de la lengua española al igual que la portuguesa.
It’s like speaking Italian with a purposefully stereotypical American voice. But I’m very impressed and pleased to see that people still speak this language 💯👍
This reminds me of when I went to a graduation at Princeton. The speakers said things in Latin, and made no effort at all to change their American accents, lol.
He still sounds American when he speaks Latin. That's wild. I'd love to hear how an Italian or romance language speaker sounds and if their mother tongue influenced their pronunciation as well.
Do you know Luke Ranieri? He's american but he's one of the best at latin pronunciation I know. His channel polýMATHY is pretty big. Now about italians and spoken latin. At least in theory, italian and latin phonemes are the same (with few exceptions), and for that reason, italians have the purest pronunciation when it comes to vowels in latin. What italians lack though is: 1) a good grasp of vowel length (which romanians excel at); 2) the will to refrain from adding sounds to words that end with consonants (you know, like Super Mario's "let's-a go" lol, stereotypical right?) so you'll hear a lot of "audentes-uh fortuna iuvat-uh", "ad infinitum-uh", "deus ex-uh machina" and the likes. I'm from Italy and I've studied some Latin in high school.
Search Aloisia Aguilar de Varrone for an example of a fluent Latin speaker from Barcelona. Unlike the others, she emphasis the r-trill. This pronunciation was documented by Roman historians, but is typically avoided today, unless featured in one's own native dialect.
This is great, because in my university, the teachers refuse to see Latin as an acutal language. They consider it almost impossible to speak it "since its been dead for over thousand years"...... You guys are heroes of Latin.
What a fucking mindset. They do know we have literally thousands of documents from all those years back from Roman schools and Universities detailing the proper pronunciation not only that but romance languages like french spanish italian and romanian developed directly from Latin and were once just latin dialects
@@shadowxxe They are just ignorant fools with too much pride. Many academics make Latin and Greek harder than it is in purpose, so they can seem smarter than everybody else in their little clans and cults within their institutions. The great hero of Latin, Reginaldus Foster said in a interview "even the prostitues of Rome could speak latin". It will be recognized after hundreds, or sadly, perhaps after thousand of years that our universities are the real plagues and causes of ignorance, egoism, pride and the justification of the lower animal ego.
@@meloracolissan7810 We have a theory, not a hypothesis, and that's pretty close. Na ja, German letters are for the most part pronounced the same, so yeah, Germans have it easy.
No, german students like myself only learn a german school pronunciation, which is certainly not what was spoken in ancient Rome, let alone among the wider population
Can't agree... Major inaccuracies between basically every single teacher and fellow student (let alone old catholic priests who are miles off with their Italian c s) of Latin Ive heard in Germany and linguists current best guess of Latin: v = v-alley instead of u like w-ater r = guttural in most German accents instead of rolled on the tip of the tongue ae = monophtong as the German Umlaut ä instead of ae (ai) - Auslautverhaertung/ hardening of final consonants - ppbly didnt exist in Latin - oddly stressed syllables - probably more vocal variety, especially around E s, than what classic Latin actually featured.
This makes me so happy! On my school they give Latin, they also give spoken Latin. But it's not as good as this! Mostely because the teachers say: "We can't teach Latin like other languages, because you need to translate Latin, not speak it." But you show that it's possible. Latin can be spoken fluently, with perfect grammar! And if people can speak 2 languages fluently with no mistakes, they can also translate them into each other perfectly. Finally I've got evidence to show my teacher that teaching Latin by speaking it, makes it possible to becoming better at translating it! Because this way of teacher, is more active, so students remeber it better. AND it's more fun in general and students are enaged to also speak Latin with each other, which improves their grammar and vocabulary! :)!!!!!!
It's just a language. If you study it, you can speak it. There are languages today that are way more difficult than Latin. If you speak a Romance language then Latin is really not that hard. The only thing that is extremely different are the cases. But after a while it becomes second nature. As with any language, your brain adapts to it and it just makes sense.
I'm Italian and I study Latin and Ancient Greek at school. We aren't taught to talk in Latin like if it is English or Italian, but we know how to read and what kind of accent every word needs. They're good, talking about the construction of the phrases and the grammar, which is for me the most difficult thing to learn in Latin, but if you know that language you can definitely say that their pronunciation is not good, which is normal because they are Americans. So don't worry, Latin doesn't sound like that!
This is how ALL academic classes used to be conducted back in medieval times, and at least into the Tudor era in England. So this actually has a strong history and precident behind it.
2:38 | I have to agree with him on that point. I am a native speaker of Macedonian, a Slavic language. While in primary school, I had English, French and Albanian classes. English for obv reasons, French because it was "the second most needed language" after English, and Albanian, because a minority in our country is Albanian. For French, I can comfortably say that I could read it pretty good, fluently but with an accent, and I could understand most of what was taught to us. But I only had French for 2 years and because I could not use it in the real world, it faded away, and today, I can still read it, and understand some of it, but it has become really hard for me to form sentences efficiently. And since I don't really need it, I don't bother trying to learn it again. They swapped French for German and Italian in most schools in the country because reality is, most people finish school and go to Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Italy for better opportunities. For Albanian, it's the same situation. Even easier to read, because it's phonetic, harder to understand, because French has many "universal" words that originate from Latin and you encounter cognates in almost every IE language, and Albanian has less, but still not very hard, but as with French, I had no real use for it, and it faded away. My knowledge has reduced to several dozens of individual words. English on the other hand, I grew up in English. Movies, video games, the internet. Most foreign media you encounter is in English. I didn't even have to put any effort at school. I always excelled in my English class even though I never did my homework, nor was I as enthusiastic for the class, because most of the time, I already knew whatever was taught. English grammar was pretty easy to grasp. Spoken English... should I even discuss it? I just picked it up subconsciously, even though nobody in my immediate environment spoke more than a few words or at all. Using the language regularly in a real world scenario is the key to learning a language. The testament for this,for me at least, is my knowledge of Japanese. Very easy to learn spoken Japanese if you are exposed to it regularly. Watching anime has given me knowledge of a language I used to think must be extremely hard. I guess the grammar may be, but spoken Japanese?? I picked it up the same way as English. I still don't know a big portion though, but I suspect in the next 10 years I will be pretty knowledgeable of Japanese. I still can't read or write good in it's native scripts, but I do great in romaji. Before someone says anime Japanese is not the real Japanese, I am aware of that, and I also have watched a lot of Japanese movies, and follow a number of Japanese channels on UA-cam where real Japanese is spoken. I have somewhat exposed myself to Russian because I love Russian history and culture, and I found it somewhat easy to understand so I decided to skip media exposure and just do an effort when I'm free. After all, it is also a slavic language, and I'm familiar with the alphabet so reading fluently is not even a problem. My dream is to learn Spanish one day.
It's funny how none of them even try to adapt the accent. Like the pronunciation of the words is all pristinely correct, but the accent is straight Americana. It sounds exactly like modern day princeton white people speaking latin. Nevertheless, jealous of how well they speak it! Currently learning.
That's bound to happen though. There live in America, interact with fellow Americans speaking English throughout the day, and so they're naturally going to speak Latin with an American accent. Even in the days of the Roman empire, people living in different parts of the empire had different regional accents.
@joão jose silva costa curta What? I wasn't saying they are expressing jealousy, but that I was jealous of their skill with the language--albeit not their pronunciation. Sorry just not sure what you are saying regarding jealousy and romance languages. Cheers
God, this is incredible! I'd love to see any of these students, or the teacher, orate some of these 'ancient authors' or historical speeches, so we could hear what they would've sounded like.
Their pronunciation is terrible in terms of sounding like one of the ancient Authors though. Look at ScorpioMartianus' channel for a better pronunciation
There were so many pieces of speech that I could understand or almost understand. So much language is rooted in Latin and I heard so many of those roots used here. I feel like I could listen to this all day.
1:23 difficile est intellegere litteras classicas sine loquando latine vel graece sed difficile est loqui latine sine amicis qui quoque possunt vel volunt discere loqui latine. Right?
@@highgroundproductions8590 No. The plural ending "-ae" is only for the nominative case, for subjects of sentences, but "litteras classicas", the accusative case form, is correct in this context, as it is the direct object of the verb "intellegere". If "litterae classicae" were used instead, the effect would be like reading the sentence "Pancakes are delicious; I ate they for breakfast this morning." "Them" is the correct form of the 3rd person plural pronoun in this sentence, not "they". Similarly, we use words ending in "-as" in contexts such as the above sentence, not "-ae". It sounds like you only have a very very VERY basic understanding of Latin grammar. One cannot claim to know Latin if they don't even know about declensions.
Very good way of learning a language - using it. They got the right idea. By forcing students to use it no matter what, they get them past the initial embarrassment and awkwardness of speaking a new language and when making mistakes. Then you improve drastically then hit the next bottleneck - improving to normal conversation level which can happen only with hard practice. so great idea! Keep it up!
man. i spoke euopean latin and without subtitles i was almost imsposible to know, what you are saiyng sometimes. your american accent is sooooo strong......it sounded like somebody who speaks english tought somebody who speaks german how to speak latin :D
I think the fact you probably learned the church pronunciation while this is (attempted) classical pronunciation adds to it. Although he has an accent he is at least able to roll his R and not diphthongize E too much. If he worked on his L and was more consistent about geminating he'd sound even better.
Father Reginald Foster, a translator for the Pope for about four decades, would be very proud. He spoke, wrote and taught Latin his whole life and worried about its future. If you have never heard of him, watch Bill Maher's 'Religilous.' He is interviewed in that film because he was a very famous Latin scholar. RIP Father Reggie.
I'd love to speak Latin in class, too! My teacher tries to motivate us to speak it with her but none of my classmates will do it! It's really sad: when i do say sth in Latin to the teacher they will tell me I'm an attention seeker. And no, I just love it!
In Milwaukee when I was in High School sometimes the kids would say your not "black" if you get an A and your a B(insult) to do as the teacher wants. Um? OK, so because I reach the goals given and succeed there is something wrong with me and I should do less to be like others who will one day fail at life and become unhappy, ANGERY, and blame others? No! Ignore those people who tell you to thieve, flourish, and enjoy life is wrong. They are toxic and God has a better plan for you. They are the ones seeking attention from all the wrong places in all the wrong ways. Laugh your way to medical school and redefine what a student looks like in your area no matter where you come from. I mean it when I say those kids become unhappy, angry, and blame everyone but themselves. Some of those kids went off to collage (and not for their good grades) but they never learned to learn or enjoy learning and their degrees mean nothing now. Many can't even speak a sentence and get a job and they act like others are to blame as they make excuses that self indulging falling for everything stupid and doesn't know how to think for themselves stubborn should get paid the same as those that know how to try and benefit their bosses. A paid for (or in debt to) piece of paper won't get a person a job, being of strong character willing to do the right thing even if you do it all alone will take you far. It likely will even take you past the place of needing or having a boss because you truly surpass them. I am the boss, I don't say that to brag, I say it because you have to learn to follow before you can lead. Bring others up and don't be like those who bring others down. And don't mistake being nice with being kind. Kind tells the truth even if it hurts. It sounds like these kids are jealous and trying to pull you down to their sad level so they can equally get ahead for a season but in the end if you give into that kind of peer pressure you all fail equally with worthless degrees and getting fired from places where most teens can work. Minume wage is not meant to be the end goal but the lowest amount you can accept for any work that is done. I have actually seen that, old friends with meaningless collage degrees mad at the world that their "minume wag job "ani't high nuff to get high." I wish I was kidding, I am not. They also want someone to pay off their debt because they can't live within their means and can only get a job that doesn't even need a GED. High school is a moment that really can chart your trajectory, be you and not them. Those fools might be able to still get a diploma or two but they won't be a success with that attitude. Trust me, I'm old, actually I am young. The age where kids were trained, yes trained, to emotionally debate with assumptions and public school common place logical fallacies. Trained to misread and misunderstand what others are saying. I want to see everyone succeed but that doesn't come by lowering standards so we equally fail. Probably the greatest hindrance to students advancing is teachers advancing students who shouldn't. If you have a great teacher, work with them and learn to actually prosper.
In 16th century England Latin was the language of the church and the educated. Queen Elizabeth I went to meet the students and lecturers at Cambridge University and there was a long meeting all conducted in Latin. The Queen stood up and gave a half hour speech in Latin without notes. She was one smart cookie. She was also fluent in Welsh, French, Spanish and Italian.
It does make sense though since it’s a dead language and we don’t really know how they pronounced their words or how they actually spoke im everyday life. Most latin we know is very formal, no one would actually talk like that.
fun fact, many catholic priests few decades ago were fluent in latin, latin is still taught in highschools al over Italy but nobody is actually good at speaking it, I can undestand him though, it would be interesting to hear an Italian person speaking in Latin to have the most accurate pronunciation to listen how Romans almost talked! Good job, that's very impressive!
At 3:41 the correct translation of "cum veniam scholam" is "I'm always happy because I come to school" - "when I come to school" is "cum veniō scholam".
@@radiantal1820 No, " veniam" is a present, not future subjunctive. It's also the future indicative, but "I'm always happy when I'll come" is logically excluded. Contextually the present can refer to the future just like in English, but "because I'm going to" with a *cum* would be "cum ventūra sim".
Given most people under the Western Roman Empire didn't have Latin as their first language, I think having an accent just makes it even more realistic. :P
I love this. And I can't understand all those people in the comment section complaining about the teacher's accent. I bet nobody of you "It's problematic that he teaches with an accent"-people can speak Latin even a tenth as fluent as this man. Do it better if it bothers you so much. There ain't many who try to do that in the first place and as long as the students understand him that shouldn't be a problem. The things people are bothered by these days...
To all those people talking about his supposedly American way of changing pitch at certain points throughout his sentences, Classical Latin was spoken this way. It was actually an extremely melodic languages and people would use changes in pitch back then the same way we use emphasis on certain syllables today. :)
Serban Andrei Marin that’s heresy. How dare he use both. In my oppinion he should use only classical since he’s speaking it and not reading texts written post 476 AD. Plus everyone agrees it sounds way cooler.
He's using neither. I think he's pronouncing it like English. Which is fine if your trying to speak it and if you think of Latin as a language that still evolves and develops through time and region.
Why is it hard for some people to alter their accents? I tend to hear an accent and easily mimic it at least somewhat closely. Most of these people sound like they’re not even trying? Just an honest question lol.
I notice the same thing. In French class, especially if there's a word that's spelt very similarly to English, everyone just stops reading in French and says it in English. Maybe it could be multilingualism? I am fluent in English and Polish, whereas my friends who find it hard to adjust their accent can only speak English (fluently).
Mimi Kal Interesting. I am too, English and Spanish. I wonder also if it is related to musical ability? Because the ability to recall melodies to the correct pitch and timbre may be similar to recalling accents accurately.
Eric J. Are you a professor speaking Latin at Princeton? Have you done anything to help keep an important language in the history of the world alive? Do you know how the accent of spoken Latin was in say....Ancient Rome? Gaul? The Levant? Various other forms of Vulgar Latin? If not ,then there is a lot that this man does that you do not do as well.
erictko85 I just think it would make more sense to use modern Vulgar Latin accents as a basis for Latin pronunciation today because of the closer genetic and geographic connection with Latin. Although sure, accent is completely arbitrary, I also think there is a certain musicality to the way a language is spoken, and speaking Latin in an American accent does the language an injustice to my ears. Obviously this is all opinion, and doesn’t subtract from the good work being done at Princeton.
I want to go to these classes, it seems like so much fun☺️ my first language is spanish and second language is norwegian and then I learnt english as my third language when I was little, I’d love to come to their classes and learn Latin as well as it helps to give a base to understand where all the languages originated from. It really reminds me of a mix of french and italian together, but mostly italian, I think spanish and portugese seem a bit more distant😁
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When you learn a dead language so no one can criticize you for your accent, but then that doesn't even work...
kek
latin is old italian, simple as that.
@@bolshevikrasta1027 Latin isn't Old anything, simple as that. No Romance language comes from Classical Latin.
@@bolshevikrasta1027 But it's definitely not Old Italian, because that's the name for a diversion from vulgar Latin!
Peter Stanton 😂😂😂
"The best way to learn a language is to talk with natives!" *digs up a grave in Rome*
lmao
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Underrated comment
Aut loqui cum magistris qui Latinam linguam docent.
**It turns out to be Caligula**
"Before I came to Princeton I couldn't speak a word of Latin, but now thanks to this course I'm ready for my vacation to 400 BC"
RhangDao have a nice trip
Hey fam, do you know what language do they speak in Rome in 400 BC? Old Latin, that's different to the Latin you know, have a great time not understanding anything!
Just a literate peasant here. You’re a troll aren’t you
@@galacticherobrine5335 ego non sum
Just a literate peasant here. Viri sánguinum mate infernum;
Imagine showing up to the wrong class on day 1 and everyone starts speaking Latin and you’re just sitting there thinking you’ve had a stroke
I shouldn’t laugh but that was hilarious.
@@finster1968 I know right XD
I imagine this is how an American would feel waking up in a Swedish class.
Best comment I’ve read in years - Lmao
I'd be wondering why everyone is casting spells
sims 5 looks so realistic
jimbo 😂😂😂
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jimbo LMAOO
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Crazy how good it looks on the 2080ti
When the students start making dialects and end up making new Romance languages
May be more legit to speak them with a more Spanish or Romanian accent compared to an English accent.
@@botanicalbiohacking6065 sardinian accent is most likely to be closest because it still share 95%~ vocabulary with latin opposed to the Italian 85%~ or spanish 75%~ or romanian 60%~
@@botanicalbiohacking6065 Spanish has a heavy Basque substrate and Romanian has a heavy Slavic superstrate. Neither would be appropriate, but perhaps better than the Anglo accent I suppose. Sardinian might be the best option, but even they have their own pre-Roman substrate.
Romance accents are still better than Anglo accents.
@@botanicalbiohacking6065 normans and angevins somewhat disagree.
How extreme does your accent need to be for you to speak a language no one’s heard before and everyone can still tell you’re American
Lmao tru I thought it was just me till I read the comments
@@Fleur2005 no but it's been well recorded (on paper) what it sounded like
AppleSquish05 the Vatican still speaks it and it is mandatory in Italy to learn it, and the pronunciation is accurate
You can tell the germanic in the accent, i think
Yeah you can tell by the way he pronounces certain letters or makes certain sounds
I don't care about his accent, I'm just amazed by the fact that he's fluent in Latin. That he speaks it like a normal language. I learn it in school and I could never imagine doing this. Well, at least before seeing this
Casey hmmm It doesn't sound fluent to me. He is the expert but idk... he puts so much stress in every single word, even in conjuctions and prepositions. Anyway he is better than me.
My Latin teacher in High school could also do this. Well one of the 4/5 we had at my school ^^
AutoFirePad I thought you could be fluent in a language without nailing every accent or sound¿
My latin teacher at highschool is pretty fluent in latin, too. It's really awesome because - even though I understand most of written Latin tought at school - I can't speak in Latin because it's difficult
@@Lierrepourtoi Of course you can. Fluency is about speaking and understanding, not pronounciation!
He sounds like a German trying to speak Italian.
ahahahahhahahahhahah it really does ! XD
Exactly !!! LOL. I am a native Portuguese speaker and when I heard him speaking, it sounded more like Old English or some proto germanic. Jeez, the power of an accent...
@@f.d.m.4914
Exactly, the t and d sounds were not softened, r sounds not rolled, etc
I took Latin for 7 years and I’m fascinated by this professor’s sentence structure. He seems to be speaking in the interview in English/German-style sentence structure, yet when you read ancient Latin it is much more jumbled with many clauses and often only one or two verbs spread between a multi-line sentence. The way he is speaking it makes it much easier for English speakers to understand
To be fair spoken Latin used less complex sentence structures than the highly refined latin literature. Why? Well first of all its pretty much true for any language. Written Language tends to use more elaborate sentence structurers. The Graffitis in Pompeji, Herculaneum and Stabia (not sure about the last one) show a glimpse of the common mans Latin with sentence structures more akin to modern Italian. Everyday Latin appears to have gotten simpler over time. Similar to ancient Greek which became much easier to understand over time. (Why am I even writing this. I'm
confident you already know that anyway)
I could hear a lot of spanish almost cognates that matched up with the english translation.
onetrillionballoons Image if the prof spoke like Cicero wrote! 5 minutes in
and the students finally have a subject/verb to roll with.
Probably because he thinks in English an translates it in Latin. I do the same thing when I’m speaking another language. English is not my mother tongue, but I’ve grown up speaking it, and whenever I speak my native Romanian, I speak it from an English perspective, if that makes sense.
Jonas Linter well Italian and the western Romance languages even dropped the Latin case system. And after the fall of the western Roman Empire the Germanic inhabitants of Italy, Spain and France preferred a more Germanic way of speaking Latin, which is why these Romance languages are less inflected and use standalone defínete articles to derive meaning, instead of the Latin case system.
Me: **Trys to speak Latin fluently**
The demon I summoned: YOU'RE DOIN GREAT SWEETIE!
This comment took me OUT! I am HOWLING.
Tricia Leftwich You make dog noises when you find something funny? 😂😂😂
You're great!
AHAHAHAHA!!
thats so wholesome :')
"quantum possumus"="as much as we can".
Me, an intellectual, picturing possums teleporting and doing random shit
in Spanish it translates to: "Cuanto Podemos" it really cool how both pronunciations in Latin and Spanish are spelled similar and sound almost the same
@@boy-re8ii i was just thinking the same. As someone who speaks spanish, I didn’t even need to read the subtitles half the time because I could kind of figure out what he was saying. It was really cool to experience
interdimensional travelling possums are a thing if the theory of infinite number of universes (cosmoses) is the truth
I swear, these guys and their audio quality are the voices for the Duolingo Latin course
Hearing "Marcus et Olivia in urbe est" for the eighth time.
Yes, they are!! 😭
@@samisiddiqi5411 Say what you want about Duolingo, but I just read your comment and immediately understood it. That's why I went Plus.
@@Daniel-qr1zf I personally use Duolingo and Grammar Rules as training wheels-- the real vocabulary comes from reading a text. I can read the Vulgate just fine now.
@@samisiddiqi5411 Shouldn't it be "sunt"
1:00 tells joke I don't understand
class: *laughs in latin*
Ada Antaras hahahahaha
Especially that guy that goes *hu hu hu hu hu hu*
hæ hæ hæ
HAHAHAHAHA
I think he said something along the lines of Franklin Roosevelt killed the constitution
So basically one dude can actually speak it kind of and the rest sound like high school Spanish students
They are all the Latin speaking equivalent of Gringos, Gringeri perhaps. Even the main guy speaks with a fairly Americanized accent.
LMAO so true and even the guy who speaks it pretty fluently has the strongest American accent
Well what do you expect, they're only learning it haha. And as for the accents, accents develope from specific areas, and since Latin is dead, there is no accent for it lol.
@@Xerrand I speak Latin with what is regarded by most to be an historical accent. Basically it is similar to an Italian accent but there are differences, such as a retracted S sound, a retracted M sound and a Trilled R.
@@CheLanguages It may be regarded by most as authentic, but at the end of the day - that's a pure guess lol. There's no way of knowing for sure.
Everyone: “Latin is a dead language so it’s pointless to learn and understand it”
Me: **laughs in traditional Catholic**
Fluent Latin speaker: **laughs at minuscule vocabulary and disabling incomprehension of traditional Catholic**
@@prometheusrex1 The Latin language wouldn't be around today without the Catholic church
@@prometheusrex1 what? Dude that's one of the stupidest segues I have ever seen. The worst thing is that you even try to look clever about it. I think that this is worth of an apology, which I demand based on the asumption that you are intelligent.
@@ondrasvoboda4512 Your demand is irrational. Mr. Wang put at issue the contributions of an organization; I addressed another one of its "contributions." And it's *segue.*
@@prometheusrex1 that would be true if his comment was under "Let's defend Catholic church video" which it is not.
None is defending Catholics yet you still have to take a pointless jab at them under Latin video. You both had a point about the language and that's respectable. Problems of the church don't belong here and I think that with at least some self reflection you should see that.
More like spoken Latin with an English accent. haha
@Sasuke Uchiha Oh dear oh dear, couldn't understand what you're blurting. Try again.
@Sasuke Uchiha Now this is a laugh! My mother tongue is not English - but I'll be more than happy to leave you at your online rant, so, yes, I'll leave it. Have fun and good night.
@Sasuke Uchiha Someone is sensitive. 😆
@@proudsaiyanprince2651 Needs some snickers. Probably just hungry.
@Sasuke Uchiha They actually left extensive records on the pronunciation of Latin, such that we know that there is a difference between classical vs ecclesiastical pronunciation. There is a standard pronunciation and meter, and we can figure those out, but you're not likely to hear the meter in anything other than poetry because its hard for a non native to pick it up not speaking to anyone, but it's there, you can work out all the rules and add all the extra markers too. I'm one for more correct pronunciation, though seeing as how this is a professor I'm surprised he still has such an accent and hasn't at least tried to sound Italian or Sardinian (as close as you can get tbh, without the ch shound too).
Have you never learned a foreign language? You see the words and speak it natively.. but with practice you too can sound mostly native. No one here made an effort to do that though, but that's not the emphasis.
Being Romanian, it's so cool to hear Latin spoken by people. I can understand mostly what they speak about. It's just fascinating!
So can any English person who has been properly educated in his own language and possesses a good vocabulary.
You can clearly hear that he's english speaking though.
Save the Plants and
@@lilpapalstate628 And he doesn't pronounce the 'r' sound correctly, his pronunciation is basically garbage and he's an incompetent.
Felis Silvestris k, I would love to hear your fluent Latin someday 😁😁
Save the Plants Your point? Lol the dude is English 🤣🤣🤣
@@coypu2005 If you speak a language well, it's impossible to deduce what your mother tongue is. If it actually is possible or even easy to say what your mother tongue is while you are speaking a totally different language, it can only mean one thing : your pronunciation is shit.
I live in italy and when i was in high school my latin professor did the same: one hour per week we had conversation in Latin. It's doable, after 3 years of studying :)
Volo lingua Latina est melior æstimetur.😭
Jayvee Aurea *Velim linguam Latinam pluris aestimari.
@@oicaua7258 In italy we study Latin in some high schools (classical HS, scientific HS, languages HS etc.). I've studied in a scientific high-school and we studied 2 years of Latin GRAMMAR, and 3 more years of Latin translation and Latin literature :D I know, it's kinda crazy. But the saying goes:"Latin opens your mind"
Depends ok the School. I studied Latin and ancient Greek in the hight school: language, literature and translation.
@@oicaua7258 In Belgium, we have Latin classes in high school as well. I studied it for a year, and my niece studies latin at the moment. We even have old greek classes in high school. (on top of the dutch, french, english and sometimes german classes)
I took Latin in high school for 2 years and I always wished they would "bring it back". Make it a living language again! I wish my Latin teacher were still alive so she could see this. Miss you Mrs. Love!
What he says is so true. You cannot truly learn a language without speaking it. The accent doesn’t matter. Once you speak it and express your thoughts with it, then the way you view the world will change as well and it helps understand the language and native speakers of it easily. This is such a great idea. This is how living languages nowadays is taught everywhere, why not dead languages too?
Written Classical Latin wasn’t meant to be composed and understood in real time. Authors had plenty of time to pre-compose those elaborate sentences, and readers could take the time to puzzle them out. Even those famous speeches in the Senate were probably delivered in more colloquial form and the transcripts (they did have a form of shorthand) edited for publication.
Why would it change the way you see
the world? I know enough Germans and Japanese to get through daily life. And I perfectly understand the grammar. But it hasn’t done anything to change my world view?
@@allanrichardson1468
Learning to speak the language makes it far easier to read. We read as if we are speaking.
@@bighands69 That is true, but I was referring to flowery rhetorical speech, which is (in any language) seldom “ad libbed” in normal conversation, but is composed on paper (or nowadays on a screen) and either read by the audience or read aloud to an audience. In languages like Latin, a thought expressed in a sentence with unusual word order can be grammatically correct, and have a beautiful rhythm, yet be difficult to understand, even by a native speaker, without some mental exercise to take it apart and see the relationships between words. An orator reading such a puzzlingly worded speech to a live audience would probably speak more slowly than usual, pronounce each word clearly and slowly, and repeat key phrases and sentences, but these repetitions would probably be omitted from the official transcripts.
I am amazed they actually use the classical and ecclesiastical Latin pronunciations at the same time 😂
I noticed the same! Ahah
There’s no perfect translations haha
The prof. sounds Classical to me C as K, V as W
maybe they're learning Latin of the 2nd century BCE when those sound changes were just starting to make their presence felt ?
@@Rolando_Cueva He was switching it between the two which is very disengaging and unprofessional. Also, his pronunciations are atrocious, even something as simple as pronouncing i as /i/, instead of /ɪ/. Really expected better.
0:53
Tells joke in Latin I don't understand at all
Class: Hahaha
Me: Hahaha
Translated: Once upon a time, the highest law in America was the Constitution, but then, FDR killed the American Constitution.
And that is why laugh tracks are a thing
@@justineberlein5916 that is some German humor, whatever language they’re speaking.
It's okay, it's a bad joke if you know.
Olim suprema lex in Natione americana erat constitutio sed tunc Franciscus R. necavit constitutionem americanam.
Professor: *teaches lesson in latin*
Student: Uhhh why is the table moving?
Kali well u see there is something called furniture and modern Newtonian physics this table must assume there is a existence object within these state of affairs in this article of a 3 dimmensional Cartesian x y z system
mint_tommy15 Bruh
Hah.
Harry Potter reference?
@@Catholictomherbert why don't you derive the inertia matrix too for the system?
Pretty soon Latin will be available to English speakers on Duolingo!
Pietro F. i hope and pray
yes, now it's done in beta...
Should be available to all romance language speakers
i said that cuz i don't speak english Xd, all i know is from use google translate too fight in comments wars on youtube, and whatch english content my grammar sucks but i more and more i can understand what do people say
@@makky6239 I understand you. Which language(s) do you speak?
He’s very fluent and erudite in the language, but hearing such a strong American accent in a language so beautiful as Latin is like hearing Bach played on a vuvuzela.
Sounds more like a Scandinavian accent to me.
@@juriteller3688 no suprise considering how much italian words for modern words found there way into latin vocab
@@juriteller3688 I always did think Dutch just sounds like German spoken with an American accent. Maybe there are similar causes.
i was thinking a guitar. sure, it sounds nice, but it doesn’t really translate
The "English" accent, they way English speakers articulate sounds, is so different from the romance ones. So fun and weird at the same time.
@Barry Keane oh, all I wanted to say is that I find fun and weird the fact that people from different parts of the world understand verbal communication in a very unique way depending on their mother tongue. As I was watching English speakers speaking Latin (a language whose sounds are very familiar to me, a Spanish speaker) I decided to put it that way; there's a mixture of visions when an English speaker faces a language full of sounds which tend to differ from the ones they are used to.
@Barry Keane Its fine, many people are being rude about his accent, which I don't like, but this person wasn't being rude about it.
Would be interesting to see someone who their first language is one of major Romance languages try to speak Latin. 👌
This sounds more Germanic than French or Romansh
I’m a Roman Catholic from the Philippines and we sung Latin song during the mass. Gloria in excelsis Deo!
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neminem non:
video sectionem comment: anglicum cum accento
Edit: thank you for the likes. You should instead learn Latin though.
Cum
🤣🤣
No one said nothing; I assume that is more grammatical in Latin than English.
@@HunterShows The sentence is actually pretty weird. The double negative can work (English used to be able to do that), but he put it in the accusative. Which means, it is in the direct object form. That makes no sense, and everything else is wrong..."Video sectionem comment" looks like google translate stuff, honestly.
"Anglicus cum accentus" should be "anglicum cum accento".
@@avzarathustra6164 dude the guy who posted the comment was trying real hard to get likes. Let him have fun. There is a dark youtuber who used bloodmagik to summon a spirit that teaches all languages.
He is very powerful and beautiful. His page on yt is named "share his vision". Be careful on his page. Nec minus reipub, nocerett huisus secretissimæ artis _in improbos_ et reprobos diuulgata notitia, quam prodesset _in bonos_ .
This guy clearly isn’t a Roman, his barbarian Anglo mouth posture is overwhelmingly apparent
So latin was spoken with a narrower mouth?
Think he was joking
Squim agree, i’m italian 🇮🇹
Omg I hope ur joking
He's a foreigner masquerading as a Roman! Alert the emperor!
Ok. This Latin professor can get it.
Nehmi get what
@@zachary4279 the D
Nehmi the D what
@@irene.5798 dick. D stands for dick. Meaning penis. And sex.
Bruh you forgot to say no homo
A language: *dies*
Everyone: That's a pity
Latin: *dies*
Everyone: You can make a religion out of this
Lol this is so me... I wanna learn Latin so I can write my book of shadows in Latin so no one can read it!😂😂
Hebrew was not a spoken language, it got revived. Even though its "r's" are not rolled anymore and they do not use the recommended word for "tomato", it has successfully been revived. Classical Arabic had less success, but still has success. Since we have precedents, why not try the same for Latin?
@@soundsoftheheart3164 me: **librum tenebrarum Ženae legit** 🧙♂️😛
@@thegreatbutterfly what does this mean??
@@soundsoftheheart3164 Me too.
All of these gentlemen look so impressed with themselves.
As they should.
well I mean they're at Princeton university and they're speaking Latin. They should.
They’re like passionate pianists after every performance and church service.
*Questions in Vulgar Latin*
*Disdain for Plebs*
This looks so much like satire. Now I can't tell what's real and what's fake ffs
Dr. Riq hahahhaha you are so right
Omg you’re right😭😭
It's a lot easier when your native language is derived from Latin like Spanish in my case. They are very serious :)
@@punkrockeris666 ok mejican
I gotta admit, I'm annoyed by the fact they are speaking the "classical" Latin with a clear American accent...
Agreed! I rather a Spanish, French or Italian accent to it!
They are after all the evolved dialects of Latin.
@@kevingutierrez9273 Also, I'd rather hear Ecclesiastic or Vulgar Latin, but that's just me
@@FannomacritaireSuomi Classical Latin is the easiest one to pronounce in my opinion.
So ??
Hey, Romance-descended native speaker here. Nothing wrong with "us, Barbarians" speaking our Overlord Masters' Latin with our respective barbarian peasants' accents. All the non-Latin speaking tribes had an accent of their own. Many socii and foederati tribes, while pretty bilingual from birth by acculturation through hundreds of years of Romanization still had their own distinctive accents.
“he sounds American”
no, I thought he was ugandan
stop ripping on him for having an accent
VerbalDiarrhea exactly. An American speaking Latin sounds American? Groundbreaking.
He rolls the R so he's better than 99% of American Latin speakers
Aniketan Pelletier TRUE! That’s extremely hard, at least for a lot of the people I know.
Ugandan? Then why are you ghe?
Kyle Cook dude he’s been studying this shit for god knows how many years, it could be better
Not just mouth and ears, Latin also makes the arms/hands involve in conversation; surely Italian is a daughter language of Latin.
Engin Atik I love Italian , I will never let that language fafe
@@anjilenagrace9868 I love Italian too.
Interesting point. One wonders what the Roman non-verbal language would be like...
A common myth. French is closer to "Latin" than Italian.
@@jamesdebearn4362 well.. Actually no
I'm Italian and I live in Rome. I did the Liceo Classico (Classic High School) and this means that I studied Latin and Greek for 5 years. I am not able to speak Latin fluently, but I can say that hearing the people in the video have a hard time distinguishing the single Latin words they say, they really have a very strong accent. Anyway....well done ....AD MAIORA!
questo penso sia anche perché utilizzano una pronuncia differente rispetto a quella insegnata nelle scuole italiane
The anglo accent makes it sound kind of funny. Anyway, I am glad that there is someone keeping Latin alive. Language of Emperors and Kings.
What Not To Do At a Stoplight There is. He’s fucking funny his accent lool (i’m italian🇮🇹)
@心静渊智 whatever....
arnauuu1 That’s not an Anglo accent. It’s an american accent.
@@jasonmason6910 I meant English-speaking by "Anglo", not specifically from England.
arnauuu1 no English speaker says I have an anglo accent
meanwhile someone can’t even say quid pro quo correctly
Squid afro.
What are you taking about
Which is qui pro quo, actually. Not quid.
EXACTLY
Kveed pro kvo
he’s clearly fluent but as a language it sounds so stilted
Nah, he's pretty clearly not fluent; Latin doesn't sound nearly as stilted when spoken by someone who actually _is_. Here's one of the best speakers in the world: ua-cam.com/video/_OyhWKTmJBo/v-deo.html
I think it is more that Latin-derived English vocabulary is higher register and tends to sound pompous.
@@williams.5952 The guy you linked speaks with a strong Italian pronunciation, but it must be noted that early Latin was spoken rather in the 'harsh' German style that you hear in this video. Btw: is the teacher maybe from Switzerland?
@@guidopahlberg9413 If you think any Roman spoke like the guys in this video, I don't know what to tell you. Luigi isn't a good example of Classical pronunciation either.
imagine hating on a guy who teaches latin at *princeton* for his accent when you most likely cant speak the language yourself ...
Most educated Europeans can, in fact, understand some Latin, so yeah. And it isn't his accent, it's his pronunciation, compare it to reading though as trough.
sarah bautista I think it’s because the world have high standards for people who teach at Princeton.
Tarik Meschitch fair enough!
The Gallant Dor but why should they? shouldn’t his position alone show that he is qualified enough to teach at such a prestigious university?
It’s not that he’s disqualified, it’s just the world has a high standard for the top uni in the world and expect teachers to speak in a more historically accurate manner.
This video brought a lump to my throat and a tear to my eye. I don't care whether the instructor and the students have an English accent. This is cool beyond belief. I just wish that this had been available during my Princeton days.
I study Latin in my school and let me tell you, we are NOWHERE near this level of mastery
I studied latin for 5 years at high school so I can understand most of what they say, but speaking Latin fluently is crazy 😱😍 expecially if you are used to speak a completely different language like english. These guys are great
5 years? Why? Catholic school?
Everyone complaining about his “accent.” Latin is not Italian, and there is proof that “r” in Latin was not a trill, but a tap, unlike Italian/Spanish + other Romance languages.
Also, were you people in Rome in 100 CE and remember how they spoke? No one, not even those who dedicate their life to the language of Latin, are 100% that our interpretations of pronunciation are entirely accurate.
I think people automatically assume Latin IS Italian, and vice versa. Different languages. Like comparing Old English with Modern English. SOME things may be similar, but they are VERY different.
@King Klebold Well what did the Romans sound like then dickhead? How much Latin can you speak? but I agree American accents do not mix with Latin and Romance languages.
Talk to a linguist. They can explain how we know the pronunciation.
>latin is not italian
brainlet post
King Klebold >Bashing someone who’s trying to help people learn a language that they probably wouldn’t otherwise just because his accent isn’t perfect
Nice
Uses CE instead of AD. Comment instantly invalid
Roosevelt in shambles.
based
How will he ever recover?
Damn Luke, I did not expect to meet you again; here of all places 😂
Oh shit the other Latin Luke.
Luke Smith cooms to Latin confirmed.
I'm Portuguese and English teacher and I'm amazed by your great work with Latin language at Paideia Institute and I'm frustrated at the same time because I'm Brazilian but my country doesn't really care about the language which is mother of Portuguese... Congratulations for you and you deserve so. Sorrow for me and my country that can't see the real value of this ancient language!
In Romania, Latin is part of the curriculum in elementary school and high school as a mandatory course. We teach it to preserve our heritage and the language of our ancestors.
@@litusbatus Interesting. We have a similar education program in Romania. Latin is taught in elementary school for 1 year in grade 8. Then in high school "liceu" you have a choice to either learn Latin or ancient Greek for 4 years based on the humanities curriculum. But it's mandatory to learn either or. I retract my earlier comment about Italy.
En las universidades en España, se enseña también el latín. Claro es algo opcional, pero se mantiene ese deseo y decisión que algunos toman por aprender la raíz de la lengua española al igual que la portuguesa.
Infelizmente uma verdade...
Sadly true...
Triste veritas...
@@joseviniciusvicente1730Tristis veritas
Sounds like a Romanian air steward speaking on the public anouncement.
Buna asta :))
You do realise Romanian is actually the Eastern Dialect of Latin.
Well... considering that the empire stretched into 2 domains (west and east) Romania might as well derived from a collage of both sets of Dialects.
Professor, in Latin - Let's take attendance.
Students in Latin -
John: Here
Adam: Here
Jose: Here
Sue Yin: Here
Sanjeeta: Here
Beelzebub: Here
Looooool
my nerd self would totally take those classes
Same!
ego etiam
Etiam
My dilf loving self would also ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
My dream since I was a kid was to learn latin
Listen at 1.25x, sounds way cooler and more Italian 👍🏼👍🏼
holy shit, it works
It works
I like how the lady spoke latin in a valley girl accent.
I was wondering what accent she would speak with, LOL.
I have yet to hear Latin be spoken with one of the East Asian accents. ^_^
I'll keep waiting!
It’s like speaking Italian with a purposefully stereotypical American voice. But I’m very impressed and pleased to see that people still speak this language 💯👍
This reminds me of when I went to a graduation at Princeton. The speakers said things in Latin, and made no effort at all to change their American accents, lol.
0:36 He forgot to end his speech with the words: "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam."
He still sounds American when he speaks Latin. That's wild. I'd love to hear how an Italian or romance language speaker sounds and if their mother tongue influenced their pronunciation as well.
Do you know Luke Ranieri? He's american but he's one of the best at latin pronunciation I know. His channel polýMATHY is pretty big.
Now about italians and spoken latin.
At least in theory, italian and latin phonemes are the same (with few exceptions), and for that reason, italians have the purest pronunciation when it comes to vowels in latin.
What italians lack though is:
1) a good grasp of vowel length (which romanians excel at);
2) the will to refrain from adding sounds to words that end with consonants (you know, like Super Mario's "let's-a go" lol, stereotypical right?)
so you'll hear a lot of "audentes-uh fortuna iuvat-uh", "ad infinitum-uh", "deus ex-uh machina" and the likes.
I'm from Italy and I've studied some Latin in high school.
Search Aloisia Aguilar de Varrone for an example of a fluent Latin speaker from Barcelona. Unlike the others, she emphasis the r-trill. This pronunciation was documented by Roman historians, but is typically avoided today, unless featured in one's own native dialect.
This is great, because in my university, the teachers refuse to see Latin as an acutal language. They consider it almost impossible to speak it "since its been dead for over thousand years"...... You guys are heroes of Latin.
What a fucking mindset. They do know we have literally thousands of documents from all those years back from Roman schools and Universities detailing the proper pronunciation not only that but romance languages like french spanish italian and romanian developed directly from Latin and were once just latin dialects
@@shadowxxe They are just ignorant fools with too much pride. Many academics make Latin and Greek harder than it is in purpose, so they can seem smarter than everybody else in their little clans and cults within their institutions. The great hero of Latin, Reginaldus Foster said in a interview "even the prostitues of Rome could speak latin". It will be recognized after hundreds, or sadly, perhaps after thousand of years that our universities are the real plagues and causes of ignorance, egoism, pride and the justification of the lower animal ego.
This video makes me so happy, Latin should be brought back to life 😍
When Germans speak Latin they have almost no accent. Pronunciation of ancient Latin and contemporary German is very similar for some reason.
Nop, you lie my dear. Because we actually don't know how to pronounce latin nowadays. And no one knows yet.
@@meloracolissan7810 We have a theory, not a hypothesis, and that's pretty close. Na ja, German letters are for the most part pronounced the same, so yeah, Germans have it easy.
No, german students like myself only learn a german school pronunciation, which is certainly not what was spoken in ancient Rome, let alone among the wider population
Can't agree... Major inaccuracies between basically every single teacher and fellow student (let alone old catholic priests who are miles off with their Italian c s) of Latin Ive heard in Germany and linguists current best guess of Latin:
v = v-alley instead of u like w-ater
r = guttural in most German accents instead of rolled on the tip of the tongue
ae = monophtong as the German Umlaut ä instead of ae (ai)
- Auslautverhaertung/ hardening of final consonants - ppbly didnt exist in Latin
- oddly stressed syllables
- probably more vocal variety, especially around E s, than what classic Latin actually featured.
Würde ich auch sagen
Würd Ig au sagn
Am i the only one who thinks this sounds a lot like Esperanto, it may just be the american accent but still xD
Mi konsentas kaj mi ankau volas diri ke mi komprenis iom da la lingvo tra mia kompreno de Esperanto.
@@kieronhoswell2722 Mi pensis same! sed mia Esperanto malboniĝis ĉar mi ne parolas en longa tempo.
Sounds more like german
At first I legitimately thought I was listening to Esperanto
Ankaŭ mi pensas same! Estas mojosa aŭdi kiel ili estas simila.
This makes me so happy! On my school they give Latin, they also give spoken Latin. But it's not as good as this! Mostely because the teachers say:
"We can't teach Latin like other languages, because you need to translate Latin, not speak it."
But you show that it's possible. Latin can be spoken fluently, with perfect grammar! And if people can speak 2 languages fluently with no mistakes, they can also translate them into each other perfectly.
Finally I've got evidence to show my teacher that teaching Latin by speaking it, makes it possible to becoming better at translating it! Because this way of teacher, is more active, so students remeber it better. AND it's more fun in general and students are enaged to also speak Latin with each other, which improves their grammar and vocabulary! :)!!!!!!
I don't mind the accent, it's kind of like how Dutch people sound like they're speaking German with an American accent
Good for them. Intelligent and open minded individuals.
It's just a language. If you study it, you can speak it. There are languages today that are way more difficult than Latin. If you speak a Romance language then Latin is really not that hard. The only thing that is extremely different are the cases. But after a while it becomes second nature. As with any language, your brain adapts to it and it just makes sense.
(Student: walks to front of class) "friends, students, bookworms..."
this is really cool. i wish some dying and recently dead indigenous languages could get this kind of passionate interest and funding too
I'm Italian and I study Latin and Ancient Greek at school. We aren't taught to talk in Latin like if it is English or Italian, but we know how to read and what kind of accent every word needs. They're good, talking about the construction of the phrases and the grammar, which is for me the most difficult thing to learn in Latin, but if you know that language you can definitely say that their pronunciation is not good, which is normal because they are Americans. So don't worry, Latin doesn't sound like that!
What’s fun about reviving a language is that you can basically create your own accent within regions
This is how ALL academic classes used to be conducted back in medieval times, and at least into the Tudor era in England. So this actually has a strong history and precident behind it.
2:38 | I have to agree with him on that point. I am a native speaker of Macedonian, a Slavic language. While in primary school, I had English, French and Albanian classes. English for obv reasons, French because it was "the second most needed language" after English, and Albanian, because a minority in our country is Albanian. For French, I can comfortably say that I could read it pretty good, fluently but with an accent, and I could understand most of what was taught to us. But I only had French for 2 years and because I could not use it in the real world, it faded away, and today, I can still read it, and understand some of it, but it has become really hard for me to form sentences efficiently. And since I don't really need it, I don't bother trying to learn it again.
They swapped French for German and Italian in most schools in the country because reality is, most people finish school and go to Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Italy for better opportunities.
For Albanian, it's the same situation. Even easier to read, because it's phonetic, harder to understand, because French has many "universal" words that originate from Latin and you encounter cognates in almost every IE language, and Albanian has less, but still not very hard, but as with French, I had no real use for it, and it faded away. My knowledge has reduced to several dozens of individual words. English on the other hand, I grew up in English. Movies, video games, the internet. Most foreign media you encounter is in English. I didn't even have to put any effort at school. I always excelled in my English class even though I never did my homework, nor was I as enthusiastic for the class, because most of the time, I already knew whatever was taught. English grammar was pretty easy to grasp. Spoken English... should I even discuss it? I just picked it up subconsciously, even though nobody in my immediate environment spoke more than a few words or at all.
Using the language regularly in a real world scenario is the key to learning a language. The testament for this,for me at least, is my knowledge of Japanese. Very easy to learn spoken Japanese if you are exposed to it regularly. Watching anime has given me knowledge of a language I used to think must be extremely hard. I guess the grammar may be, but spoken Japanese?? I picked it up the same way as English. I still don't know a big portion though, but I suspect in the next 10 years I will be pretty knowledgeable of Japanese. I still can't read or write good in it's native scripts, but I do great in romaji. Before someone says anime Japanese is not the real Japanese, I am aware of that, and I also have watched a lot of Japanese movies, and follow a number of Japanese channels on UA-cam where real Japanese is spoken.
I have somewhat exposed myself to Russian because I love Russian history and culture, and I found it somewhat easy to understand so I decided to skip media exposure and just do an effort when I'm free. After all, it is also a slavic language, and I'm familiar with the alphabet so reading fluently is not even a problem.
My dream is to learn Spanish one day.
It's funny how none of them even try to adapt the accent. Like the pronunciation of the words is all pristinely correct, but the accent is straight Americana. It sounds exactly like modern day princeton white people speaking latin. Nevertheless, jealous of how well they speak it! Currently learning.
That's bound to happen though. There live in America, interact with fellow Americans speaking English throughout the day, and so they're naturally going to speak Latin with an American accent. Even in the days of the Roman empire, people living in different parts of the empire had different regional accents.
@joão jose silva costa curta What? I wasn't saying they are expressing jealousy, but that I was jealous of their skill with the language--albeit not their pronunciation. Sorry just not sure what you are saying regarding jealousy and romance languages. Cheers
God, this is incredible! I'd love to see any of these students, or the teacher, orate some of these 'ancient authors' or historical speeches, so we could hear what they would've sounded like.
Their pronunciation is terrible in terms of sounding like one of the ancient Authors though. Look at ScorpioMartianus' channel for a better pronunciation
There were so many pieces of speech that I could understand or almost understand. So much language is rooted in Latin and I heard so many of those roots used here. I feel like I could listen to this all day.
Americans are just extended provincials of Rome, so naturally we have a provincial dialect.
1:23 difficile est intellegere litteras classicas sine loquando latine vel graece sed difficile est loqui latine sine amicis qui quoque possunt vel volunt discere loqui latine.
Right?
Hella right
Weirdus flexus butus okum.
Ita
I don't know Latin but even I know that that is not correct.
Litteræ classicæ would be the plural of littera classics.
@@highgroundproductions8590 No. The plural ending "-ae" is only for the nominative case, for subjects of sentences, but "litteras classicas", the accusative case form, is correct in this context, as it is the direct object of the verb "intellegere".
If "litterae classicae" were used instead, the effect would be like reading the sentence "Pancakes are delicious; I ate they for breakfast this morning." "Them" is the correct form of the 3rd person plural pronoun in this sentence, not "they". Similarly, we use words ending in "-as" in contexts such as the above sentence, not "-ae".
It sounds like you only have a very very VERY basic understanding of Latin grammar. One cannot claim to know Latin if they don't even know about declensions.
Very good way of learning a language - using it. They got the right idea. By forcing students to use it no matter what, they get them past the initial embarrassment and awkwardness of speaking a new language and when making mistakes. Then you improve drastically then hit the next bottleneck - improving to normal conversation level which can happen only with hard practice. so great idea! Keep it up!
man. i spoke euopean latin and without subtitles i was almost imsposible to know, what you are saiyng sometimes. your american accent is sooooo strong......it sounded like somebody who speaks english tought somebody who speaks german how to speak latin :D
I think the fact you probably learned the church pronunciation while this is (attempted) classical pronunciation adds to it. Although he has an accent he is at least able to roll his R and not diphthongize E too much. If he worked on his L and was more consistent about geminating he'd sound even better.
Damn even listening to this makes me feel smarter.
Father Reginald Foster, a translator for the Pope for about four decades, would be very proud. He spoke, wrote and taught Latin his whole life and worried about its future. If you have never heard of him, watch Bill Maher's 'Religilous.' He is interviewed in that film because he was a very famous Latin scholar. RIP Father Reggie.
He is in this video "Meet the Man Keeping the Language of Latin Alive."
It's crazy how I still understand like 80% of what they're saying because of my school education but could never ever build a single sentence myself
The professor sounds about as comfortable with the language as me doing my spanish 3 oral exams
Latin is the father of several languages like French, Romanian, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, etc.
I'd love to speak Latin in class, too! My teacher tries to motivate us to speak it with her but none of my classmates will do it! It's really sad: when i do say sth in Latin to the teacher they will tell me I'm an attention seeker. And no, I just love it!
In Milwaukee when I was in High School sometimes the kids would say your not "black" if you get an A and your a B(insult) to do as the teacher wants. Um? OK, so because I reach the goals given and succeed there is something wrong with me and I should do less to be like others who will one day fail at life and become unhappy, ANGERY, and blame others? No! Ignore those people who tell you to thieve, flourish, and enjoy life is wrong. They are toxic and God has a better plan for you. They are the ones seeking attention from all the wrong places in all the wrong ways. Laugh your way to medical school and redefine what a student looks like in your area no matter where you come from. I mean it when I say those kids become unhappy, angry, and blame everyone but themselves. Some of those kids went off to collage (and not for their good grades) but they never learned to learn or enjoy learning and their degrees mean nothing now. Many can't even speak a sentence and get a job and they act like others are to blame as they make excuses that self indulging falling for everything stupid and doesn't know how to think for themselves stubborn should get paid the same as those that know how to try and benefit their bosses. A paid for (or in debt to) piece of paper won't get a person a job, being of strong character willing to do the right thing even if you do it all alone will take you far. It likely will even take you past the place of needing or having a boss because you truly surpass them. I am the boss, I don't say that to brag, I say it because you have to learn to follow before you can lead. Bring others up and don't be like those who bring others down. And don't mistake being nice with being kind. Kind tells the truth even if it hurts. It sounds like these kids are jealous and trying to pull you down to their sad level so they can equally get ahead for a season but in the end if you give into that kind of peer pressure you all fail equally with worthless degrees and getting fired from places where most teens can work. Minume wage is not meant to be the end goal but the lowest amount you can accept for any work that is done. I have actually seen that, old friends with meaningless collage degrees mad at the world that their "minume wag job "ani't high nuff to get high." I wish I was kidding, I am not. They also want someone to pay off their debt because they can't live within their means and can only get a job that doesn't even need a GED. High school is a moment that really can chart your trajectory, be you and not them. Those fools might be able to still get a diploma or two but they won't be a success with that attitude. Trust me, I'm old, actually I am young. The age where kids were trained, yes trained, to emotionally debate with assumptions and public school common place logical fallacies. Trained to misread and misunderstand what others are saying. I want to see everyone succeed but that doesn't come by lowering standards so we equally fail. Probably the greatest hindrance to students advancing is teachers advancing students who shouldn't. If you have a great teacher, work with them and learn to actually prosper.
Their english accent comes through like a ten ton truck through a wall!
In 16th century England Latin was the language of the church and the educated. Queen Elizabeth I went to meet the students and lecturers at Cambridge University and there was a long meeting all conducted in Latin. The Queen stood up and gave a half hour speech in Latin without notes.
She was one smart cookie. She was also fluent in Welsh, French, Spanish and Italian.
Sadly in Germany I only learned translating texts in school
Same
Also had Latin in Germany for 3 years. We did nothing but translate some latin text. Super dull and not engaging at all.
Well its hard to speak a language you cant even read
Julius Schlotterer illiterate people exist lol
It does make sense though since it’s a dead language and we don’t really know how they pronounced their words or how they actually spoke im everyday life. Most latin we know is very formal, no one would actually talk like that.
This guy has such a strong English accent, that's so obvious even to a native English speaker
fun fact, many catholic priests few decades ago were fluent in latin, latin is still taught in highschools al over Italy but nobody is actually good at speaking it, I can undestand him though, it would be interesting to hear an Italian person speaking in Latin to have the most accurate pronunciation to listen how Romans almost talked! Good job, that's very impressive!
At 3:41 the correct translation of "cum veniam scholam" is "I'm always happy because I come to school" - "when I come to school" is "cum veniō scholam".
Wouldn't it mean "Because I am going to come to school" ?
Since it's fut s
@@radiantal1820 No, " veniam" is a present, not future subjunctive. It's also the future indicative, but "I'm always happy when I'll come" is logically excluded. Contextually the present can refer to the future just like in English, but "because I'm going to" with a *cum* would be "cum ventūra sim".
@@Unbrutal_Rawr
interesting.
- ellos veniam.
- eles vinham.
both past tense in spanish and portuguese respectively.
Given most people under the Western Roman Empire didn't have Latin as their first language, I think having an accent just makes it even more realistic. :P
I love this. And I can't understand all those people in the comment section complaining about the teacher's accent. I bet nobody of you "It's problematic that he teaches with an accent"-people can speak Latin even a tenth as fluent as this man. Do it better if it bothers you so much. There ain't many who try to do that in the first place and as long as the students understand him that shouldn't be a problem. The things people are bothered by these days...
I CANT BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN ACCENT ANYWAYS IM CRYING
Oh no, It's only a matter of time until SPQR. I can already hear the legion marchi- AVE CAESAR, MORITURI TE SALUTANT
To all those people talking about his supposedly American way of changing pitch at certain points throughout his sentences, Classical Latin was spoken this way. It was actually an extremely melodic languages and people would use changes in pitch back then the same way we use emphasis on certain syllables today. :)
My latin teacher would give him an f for his pronounciation. And is he using classical or traditional here because I can’t tell.
It's a combination actually
Serban Andrei Marin that’s heresy. How dare he use both. In my oppinion he should use only classical since he’s speaking it and not reading texts written post 476 AD. Plus everyone agrees it sounds way cooler.
I actually think the eccclesiastical pronunciation sound far better.Much more natural,as far as I am concerned
Serban Andrei Marin I’m forced to learn latin in school and all my clasmates like classical more. But tastes differ I guess.
He's using neither. I think he's pronouncing it like English. Which is fine if your trying to speak it and if you think of Latin as a language that still evolves and develops through time and region.
Why is it hard for some people to alter their accents? I tend to hear an accent and easily mimic it at least somewhat closely. Most of these people sound like they’re not even trying? Just an honest question lol.
I notice the same thing. In French class, especially if there's a word that's spelt very similarly to English, everyone just stops reading in French and says it in English. Maybe it could be multilingualism? I am fluent in English and Polish, whereas my friends who find it hard to adjust their accent can only speak English (fluently).
Mimi Kal Interesting. I am too, English and Spanish. I wonder also if it is related to musical ability? Because the ability to recall melodies to the correct pitch and timbre may be similar to recalling accents accurately.
Same thing man
Eric J. Are you a professor speaking Latin at Princeton? Have you done anything to help keep an important language in the history of the world alive? Do you know how the accent of spoken Latin was in say....Ancient Rome? Gaul? The Levant? Various other forms of Vulgar Latin? If not ,then there is a lot that this man does that you do not do as well.
erictko85 I just think it would make more sense to use modern Vulgar Latin accents as a basis for Latin pronunciation today because of the closer genetic and geographic connection with Latin. Although sure, accent is completely arbitrary, I also think there is a certain musicality to the way a language is spoken, and speaking Latin in an American accent does the language an injustice to my ears. Obviously this is all opinion, and doesn’t subtract from the good work being done at Princeton.
I want to go to these classes, it seems like so much fun☺️ my first language is spanish and second language is norwegian and then I learnt english as my third language when I was little, I’d love to come to their classes and learn Latin as well as it helps to give a base to understand where all the languages originated from. It really reminds me of a mix of french and italian together, but mostly italian, I think spanish and portugese seem a bit more distant😁
me, having studied latin for 3 years and used to hearing it using a romance-language pronunciation: wtf are they saying