Jeff winger and eleanor shellstrop of the good place gives off the same vibes. parental issues, bisexual, too into their hotness, takes pride on being "selfish" and only looking out for themselves, but eventually takes charge of an unlikely group of people they grew to care about
There's one thing you overlooked about Jeff's icon-ness. He's also an autistic icon. And yes I know that abed is canonically autistic. But trust me. They're a masked/unmasked love/hate autistic power couple only rivaled by death note and I guess Sherlock Holmes..just more like regular relatable people than ultra special savants really
Like first episode Jeff clocks abed as Autistic. Everyone else considered it an out of pocket insult while BOTH abed ans Jeff took it as more of a statement of fact (though with Jeff also treating it as a reason to brush off abed. Like gay people calling each other the f slur when they get mad at each other and it's the straight people who get most mad about it) But like even when Jeff was living with abed he became more unmasked ans started becoming very similar to abed and just like of scared of being Like That for too long. Jeff routinely seems to be the most triggered by abeds autistic behavior out of everyone in the core group. Jeff routinely shows he puts a lot of thought and effort into putting in the minimal amount of effort into something he has to do just to appease some system and hierarchy he doesn't really understand or agree with. his insecurity issues are all linked back to the core experience of masking and working to present yourself as the ideal socially accepted version of himself. Which makes him feel inauthentic and shallow in a never ending cycle that went to some pretty dark places to cope with the concept of aging and losing that ability to present as the societal ideal Everyman. His own parental abandonment issues exactly mirror abeds. Amd his cgi mental health breakdown experience was also similar to abed. But even more directly influenced by the media he was hyper attached to than abeds was. More pop culture media influenced than abed while in crisis/age regressing!! The way he memorized and manipulates social norms to his advantage, just like abed. Thinking he's pointing out basic practical observations while everyone else finds his outlook inhuman or cruel. And he just has the energy of a Jordan Peterson Andrew Tate fanboy rizz guru that is actually pretty off putting to most people (except when he stops performing that brand of toxic masculinity) Dude is super autistic coded
this got on people's recommended lately so i just wanna clear some things up :) firstly, him being trans and bisexual is a personal headcanon. i am not saying he is trans or bisexual, or even that it was intended by dan harmon for him to be viewed that way. however, i believe that once a show, movie, book or any form of media has been released, the public are now the owners of it and can interpret it how they want. some of these moments can be viewed as trans-coded or bisexual-coded. they were not intended to be, but they definitely can be. if you don't view it, that's fine. this video wasn't made for you. there are plenty of trans and bi people who do relate to these moments and can make the connections. his constant overcompensating desire to perform his masculinity can be viewed as him feeling inadequate as a trans man and consistently trying to prove himself both to society and to himself. it can also be viewed as the experience of a cis man who feels inadequate in his masculinity in a society that pressures men into a toxic masculine culture, especially growing up without a father figure in his life. both are completely valid interpretations, and a mix of both is definitely valid as well. secondly, some have pointed out there are moments that do not feel trans or bisexual. i understand. many of these moments are not explicitly about coded attraction to men and women or discussing a transgender experience. there's a mix of moments that feel like "bisexual culture", something that exists in queer spaces. it can be argued that this is stereotypical, but as a bi person i personally think it's fine and is what prompted me to make this video. some of these moments are not bisexual culture and they are simply things i relate to and project onto. as a bi person i am projecting. it is a youtube video. it is not that serious. others have specifically pointed to certain inclusions, such as scenes with his dad and pierce's dad. i think that the scenes with pierce's dad are firstly, him sticking up for the queer community in the episode 'advanced gay' which is linked to his own potential queer identity which he could be protecting. secondly, he is projecting the issues with his father onto pierce's dad. regarding his issues with his father, i believe his constant need to perform stems from the lack of a father figure in his life which has led to him overcompensating his masculinity. that and his father said "self-made man" which can be read as trans, as trans men literally have to build themselves. if anyone wants to find out any more trans moments, i found this compilation not made by me on tumblr. there is some overlap, plus more i didn't even notice. read it here: www.tumblr.com/bowie-boy/657471120918904832/every-transcoded-jeff-winger-moment-i-can if anyone has genuine questions, feel free to ask them. i will not delete hate comments because they make me laugh. that being said, thanks for the love i've received and also thanks for reading this comment if you've gone down this far. love you all
Honestly, I completely disagree with the idea of Jeff being trans (Bi-sexual I can't really argue for or against,). But I have to give you props for acknowledging that it's your own headcanon and not necessarily what Dan intended with the character, and you know what if that's how you enjoy the show go for it.
I’m in love with both hcs- it’s o obv with these scenes cut back to crack. Also the s6 scene with him and the dean silently talking about Frankie: I adore that entire scene. Like yes dean and Jeff working together. Yes queer community meeting. What a trio
im so glad someone else sees jeff as trans, this show always gives me the vibes of like, 3 queer people having to hang out with the absolute worst straight people
Bisexual, definitely, and I can somewhat see the trans part and that’s cool, but I kind of want a full explanation for the trans thing. Also the dad scenes I don’t really see the point of including. Like I like the scenes, just not seeing the why.
All of his mannerisms about body image, dressing/looking good, the meekness and crying during the bullying are all little clues that if complied are not characteristics of what we define as “masculine”. However his father and society have “norms” that one MUST align with in order to be recognized as a man. Him not naturally being those things would lead a young man to believe he’s not a man when he sees himself in the mirror. Well if he’s not a man what is he? He sees the ridicule and loneliness that being himself brings as validation of his dad being right and that if he just becomes what his dad sees as a man then the world will too. Then the world will finally accept him, but he becomes entirely detached from humanity and sees everyone as actors like him, doing what others think they should. It’s over the show that we learn humanity is a spectrum and it’s the differences that unite us, not reasons to separate us. So in essence he was born more fem and transitioned into masc to adjust to society’s and his fathers cruel standards.
i have no idea how people are getting that. his whole character was loosely based off of dan harmon and most of his behavior can be explained by his massive ego and just society's toxic masculinity in general.
@@posinega I didn’t create the vid/title, I’m just giving the reasoning. You can draw ur own conclusions from that but, it doesn’t invalidate trans ppl identify with the portrayal. There are men that can be like Jeff and be totally straight/identity as “masc” and there’s some that go thru that process and see themselves more “fem” and go that route however that turns out. Like Dean says “gay doesn’t even begin to describe it”, it’s a spectrum. The point is not to say “no it’s not like that I don’t understand” and continue with that mentality. The point is to see ppl can have the same interactions/emotions and if we force everyone into societal standards of man/woman then we leave ppl and their sense of identity behind. That’s why even if Jeff isn’t trans he’s most definitely indifferent to life because he doesn’t even know how to be himself. The show is about being yourself and seeing that everyone is struggling with it to some degree and if we have empathy and compassion for each other we can forge meaningful relationships. This Jeff at the end of the show has found himself and in doing that he’s found people who truly appreciate him for him.
Alr so im a subscriber to the jeff is secretly bi thing, because theres many points in the show that showcase this possibility. Can someone please politely explain how this is trans at all. Thank you
it's mainly up to interpretation. i'm transmasc myself and there are some things that Jeff says or does that i can either relate to gender identity wise or could be interpreted as a metaphor for being trans in general. it can be little lines like when Britta said he "decided to grow a wang" or when he referred to himself as a "self made man". obviously those lines don't guarantee he's trans but could prompt a viewer to headcanon him as trans. then there are other things that can be seen more as a trans metaphor. the way he's constantly trying to be seen as masculine, as a man. when he was young and was being bullied by young Shirley for not being boyish enough and that moment stuck with him even through to adulthood. or when his mum made him dress up as a girl and he was upset abt everyone calling him a girl but eventually he stopped correcting them because that made him feel even more awkward and scared. that's mainly how i view all of this stuff. like i said these aren't things that say he's definitively trans, and ofc cis men can experience stuff like this, but some people have interpreted these things as him being trans and headcanon him as such. i hope this helped :)
@@moonlight_dulcet yeah a lot of those things are just normal guy stuff. Which a lot of does overlap, so I guess it could go either way. I just couldnt subscribe to this because, none of what you listed really sticks too well imo. Except for the "little indian girl story" I forgot about that abed kept a tight heavy lid on it.
As a gender non-conforming person: many of these are gender performances. He's outwardly and specifically choosing to be seen as masculine because it makes him feel safe. Not all cis men do this, just like not all cis women see their femininity as a performance. "Normal guy stuff" isn't performing masculinity under the fear of being seen as not a man, because that would prove that gender and masculinity are a choice and a conscious one... which isn't how cis people see it...
This is literally why this was created. Guys like you can see people like this in real life and on the screens u watch and still deny their existence. You are Pierce, u don’t want to understand, u wanna stay in the old ages and act like people nvr existed. I feel sad for you and I don’t have to, at least I don’t deny ur existence.
@Nikeroxmysox you know that the entirety of this show precedes Caitlin Jenner? Your worldview has been so screwed up, you have no idea what the world outside of your little time and space is like. You live at the extreme of human existence and call it normal. Your philosophy will not last another generation and it will take you down with it. Get out while you still can
@@NikeroxmysoxWasn’t pierce the one who repeatedly insisted that Jeff was gay? One could argue that you’re the pierce in this situation. In all seriousness, you have to understand that there is not much in the show to substantiate believing that Jeff is Transgender, even in this compilation of the show. Someone is obviously allowed to interpret characters in their own way and imagine them in their own way but you have to understand this is for a very specific group of people that shares the same interpretation. You cannot judge people who didn’t interpret it the same way as you or didn’t attach the same meaning to it as you did, a meaning that is not there in the source material. Not everybody in this world will get behind every thought that pops up in your head, and instead of realising the problem with that thought process you throw a tantrum and call them intolerant and backward.
Jeff winger and eleanor shellstrop of the good place gives off the same vibes. parental issues, bisexual, too into their hotness, takes pride on being "selfish" and only looking out for themselves, but eventually takes charge of an unlikely group of people they grew to care about
Ok no that’s way too true-
im so fucking glad someone agrees oh my g od i thought i was the onlg one
this is literally so true omgosh.
If they ever interacted, idk if they’d hook up or try to destroy each other
I NEVER MADE THAT CONNECTION THAT EXPLAINS WHY JEFF REMINDED ME OF SOME ONE BUT I COULDNT REMEMBER WHO
"The next person who offers me charity or pity, will be mentioned by name in my suicide note" That's a hard line
1:36 well, if he’s trans masc, he was definitely a “self made man”
badumn chiiiii 🎵🎶 🥁
We love a man who can say "I hate Glee"
i hate trans headcanons bc i always go "holy shit this fits so well how didnt i see that"
REAL
had me in the first half ngl
that's how cherrypicking works, yeah.
as a trans guy, 12:48 hit me like a truck. I had to close my computer and take a minute. and the "why draw attention to it" absolutely ruined me
Me: (a trans girl) (hugs you)
Ditto@@marcen12
can i send you a virtual hug?
Thanks everyone 😭
@@jessieleo7224 You are not alone.
every once in a while i think of the alternate timeline in which he got to be the star-lord we all wanted but... in the end, did not deserve 😞
his ricky nightshade makeup is such a slay
awakened something within me
There's one thing you overlooked about Jeff's icon-ness.
He's also an autistic icon.
And yes I know that abed is canonically autistic. But trust me. They're a masked/unmasked love/hate autistic power couple only rivaled by death note and I guess Sherlock Holmes..just more like regular relatable people than ultra special savants really
Like first episode Jeff clocks abed as Autistic. Everyone else considered it an out of pocket insult while BOTH abed ans Jeff took it as more of a statement of fact (though with Jeff also treating it as a reason to brush off abed. Like gay people calling each other the f slur when they get mad at each other and it's the straight people who get most mad about it)
But like even when Jeff was living with abed he became more unmasked ans started becoming very similar to abed and just like of scared of being Like That for too long.
Jeff routinely seems to be the most triggered by abeds autistic behavior out of everyone in the core group.
Jeff routinely shows he puts a lot of thought and effort into putting in the minimal amount of effort into something he has to do just to appease some system and hierarchy he doesn't really understand or agree with.
his insecurity issues are all linked back to the core experience of masking and working to present yourself as the ideal socially accepted version of himself. Which makes him feel inauthentic and shallow in a never ending cycle that went to some pretty dark places to cope with the concept of aging and losing that ability to present as the societal ideal Everyman.
His own parental abandonment issues exactly mirror abeds. Amd his cgi mental health breakdown experience was also similar to abed. But even more directly influenced by the media he was hyper attached to than abeds was. More pop culture media influenced than abed while in crisis/age regressing!!
The way he memorized and manipulates social norms to his advantage, just like abed. Thinking he's pointing out basic practical observations while everyone else finds his outlook inhuman or cruel.
And he just has the energy of a Jordan Peterson Andrew Tate fanboy rizz guru that is actually pretty off putting to most people (except when he stops performing that brand of toxic masculinity)
Dude is super autistic coded
@@Fawkseynessthis is incredible and i love it, thank you for your observations. so cool
8:35 THIS SCENE FITS SO WELL I LOVE IT
this got on people's recommended lately so i just wanna clear some things up :)
firstly, him being trans and bisexual is a personal headcanon. i am not saying he is trans or bisexual, or even that it was intended by dan harmon for him to be viewed that way. however, i believe that once a show, movie, book or any form of media has been released, the public are now the owners of it and can interpret it how they want. some of these moments can be viewed as trans-coded or bisexual-coded. they were not intended to be, but they definitely can be. if you don't view it, that's fine. this video wasn't made for you. there are plenty of trans and bi people who do relate to these moments and can make the connections. his constant overcompensating desire to perform his masculinity can be viewed as him feeling inadequate as a trans man and consistently trying to prove himself both to society and to himself. it can also be viewed as the experience of a cis man who feels inadequate in his masculinity in a society that pressures men into a toxic masculine culture, especially growing up without a father figure in his life. both are completely valid interpretations, and a mix of both is definitely valid as well.
secondly, some have pointed out there are moments that do not feel trans or bisexual. i understand. many of these moments are not explicitly about coded attraction to men and women or discussing a transgender experience. there's a mix of moments that feel like "bisexual culture", something that exists in queer spaces. it can be argued that this is stereotypical, but as a bi person i personally think it's fine and is what prompted me to make this video. some of these moments are not bisexual culture and they are simply things i relate to and project onto. as a bi person i am projecting. it is a youtube video. it is not that serious.
others have specifically pointed to certain inclusions, such as scenes with his dad and pierce's dad. i think that the scenes with pierce's dad are firstly, him sticking up for the queer community in the episode 'advanced gay' which is linked to his own potential queer identity which he could be protecting. secondly, he is projecting the issues with his father onto pierce's dad. regarding his issues with his father, i believe his constant need to perform stems from the lack of a father figure in his life which has led to him overcompensating his masculinity. that and his father said "self-made man" which can be read as trans, as trans men literally have to build themselves.
if anyone wants to find out any more trans moments, i found this compilation not made by me on tumblr. there is some overlap, plus more i didn't even notice. read it here: www.tumblr.com/bowie-boy/657471120918904832/every-transcoded-jeff-winger-moment-i-can
if anyone has genuine questions, feel free to ask them. i will not delete hate comments because they make me laugh. that being said, thanks for the love i've received and also thanks for reading this comment if you've gone down this far. love you all
thank u ❤ im bi too and this video makes me so happy
Honestly, I completely disagree with the idea of Jeff being trans (Bi-sexual I can't really argue for or against,). But I have to give you props for acknowledging that it's your own headcanon and not necessarily what Dan intended with the character, and you know what if that's how you enjoy the show go for it.
I’m confused, but not as confused as Jeff
5:22 - 'tism momentum
I’m in love with both hcs- it’s o obv with these scenes cut back to crack. Also the s6 scene with him and the dean silently talking about Frankie: I adore that entire scene. Like yes dean and Jeff working together. Yes queer community meeting. What a trio
0:33 I love Shirley’s shocked little “oh”
He’s very Gob bluth coded
huh?
@@tieflingcorpse9817 im just saying jeff reminds me of gob bluth from arrested development lmao
@@adisharoni oh i dont watch that show
daddy issues, bisexual, loser, very tall, yep it fits.
cant believe im just seeing this. years of thinking im the only trans jeff truther ...
im so glad someone else sees jeff as trans, this show always gives me the vibes of like, 3 queer people having to hang out with the absolute worst straight people
wait only 3?
hey bestie where's the essay about advanced gay being about jeff's bisexuality?
one day
I would like to see it
It's been two years ? @@dorian5344
This is badass
SO TRUE
hes so #real
I NEVER CONSIDERED TRANS JEFF AS A CONCEPT BUT IT HONESTLY WORKS SO WELL!!
Bisexual, definitely, and I can somewhat see the trans part and that’s cool, but I kind of want a full explanation for the trans thing. Also the dad scenes I don’t really see the point of including. Like I like the scenes, just not seeing the why.
THANK YOU!!!
All of his mannerisms about body image, dressing/looking good, the meekness and crying during the bullying are all little clues that if complied are not characteristics of what we define as “masculine”.
However his father and society have “norms” that one MUST align with in order to be recognized as a man. Him not naturally being those things would lead a young man to believe he’s not a man when he sees himself in the mirror. Well if he’s not a man what is he? He sees the ridicule and loneliness that being himself brings as validation of his dad being right and that if he just becomes what his dad sees as a man then the world will too.
Then the world will finally accept him, but he becomes entirely detached from humanity and sees everyone as actors like him, doing what others think they should. It’s over the show that we learn humanity is a spectrum and it’s the differences that unite us, not reasons to separate us.
So in essence he was born more fem and transitioned into masc to adjust to society’s and his fathers cruel standards.
i have no idea how people are getting that. his whole character was loosely based off of dan harmon and most of his behavior can be explained by his massive ego and just society's toxic masculinity in general.
@@posinega I didn’t create the vid/title, I’m just giving the reasoning. You can draw ur own conclusions from that but, it doesn’t invalidate trans ppl identify with the portrayal. There are men that can be like Jeff and be totally straight/identity as “masc” and there’s some that go thru that process and see themselves more “fem” and go that route however that turns out.
Like Dean says “gay doesn’t even begin to describe it”, it’s a spectrum. The point is not to say “no it’s not like that I don’t understand” and continue with that mentality. The point is to see ppl can have the same interactions/emotions and if we force everyone into societal standards of man/woman then we leave ppl and their sense of identity behind.
That’s why even if Jeff isn’t trans he’s most definitely indifferent to life because he doesn’t even know how to be himself. The show is about being yourself and seeing that everyone is struggling with it to some degree and if we have empathy and compassion for each other we can forge meaningful relationships. This Jeff at the end of the show has found himself and in doing that he’s found people who truly appreciate him for him.
it’s true
one chance jeff…..
5:15 amogus
0:34
Was this a 41% joke or am I tripping???
wait yeah what was the point of including that clip
@@expirequiemit was just him being a diva who gaf
Your title is confused.
Alr so im a subscriber to the jeff is secretly bi thing, because theres many points in the show that showcase this possibility. Can someone please politely explain how this is trans at all. Thank you
it's mainly up to interpretation. i'm transmasc myself and there are some things that Jeff says or does that i can either relate to gender identity wise or could be interpreted as a metaphor for being trans in general. it can be little lines like when Britta said he "decided to grow a wang" or when he referred to himself as a "self made man". obviously those lines don't guarantee he's trans but could prompt a viewer to headcanon him as trans. then there are other things that can be seen more as a trans metaphor. the way he's constantly trying to be seen as masculine, as a man. when he was young and was being bullied by young Shirley for not being boyish enough and that moment stuck with him even through to adulthood. or when his mum made him dress up as a girl and he was upset abt everyone calling him a girl but eventually he stopped correcting them because that made him feel even more awkward and scared.
that's mainly how i view all of this stuff. like i said these aren't things that say he's definitively trans, and ofc cis men can experience stuff like this, but some people have interpreted these things as him being trans and headcanon him as such. i hope this helped :)
@@moonlight_dulcet yeah a lot of those things are just normal guy stuff. Which a lot of does overlap, so I guess it could go either way. I just couldnt subscribe to this because, none of what you listed really sticks too well imo. Except for the "little indian girl story" I forgot about that abed kept a tight heavy lid on it.
@@drigonfirefox well that's fine if you can't see any of that as possible trans metaphors, but to each their own y'know
As a gender non-conforming person: many of these are gender performances. He's outwardly and specifically choosing to be seen as masculine because it makes him feel safe. Not all cis men do this, just like not all cis women see their femininity as a performance. "Normal guy stuff" isn't performing masculinity under the fear of being seen as not a man, because that would prove that gender and masculinity are a choice and a conscious one... which isn't how cis people see it...
@@dinahmyte3749 yeah but if he was cis wouldnt it just be his personality
some of these dont feel very trans tho
DISLIKE!
LIKE!
Most of them don't feel very trans tbh
mix of bisexual moments / jeff moments reminiscent of bisexual culture or things that i relate to as a bi person which makes it bi culture bc i say so
okay youre right he may be trans but i still hate him the most
The fact that this isn't satire shows the sad state of affairs for the sex-obsessed insecurities of the delusion cult.
bruh
This is literally why this was created. Guys like you can see people like this in real life and on the screens u watch and still deny their existence. You are Pierce, u don’t want to understand, u wanna stay in the old ages and act like people nvr existed. I feel sad for you and I don’t have to, at least I don’t deny ur existence.
@Nikeroxmysox you know that the entirety of this show precedes Caitlin Jenner? Your worldview has been so screwed up, you have no idea what the world outside of your little time and space is like. You live at the extreme of human existence and call it normal. Your philosophy will not last another generation and it will take you down with it. Get out while you still can
“Sex obsessed” homie you do know that a lot of gays online are virgins right
@@NikeroxmysoxWasn’t pierce the one who repeatedly insisted that Jeff was gay? One could argue that you’re the pierce in this situation. In all seriousness, you have to understand that there is not much in the show to substantiate believing that Jeff is Transgender, even in this compilation of the show. Someone is obviously allowed to interpret characters in their own way and imagine them in their own way but you have to understand this is for a very specific group of people that shares the same interpretation. You cannot judge people who didn’t interpret it the same way as you or didn’t attach the same meaning to it as you did, a meaning that is not there in the source material. Not everybody in this world will get behind every thought that pops up in your head, and instead of realising the problem with that thought process you throw a tantrum and call them intolerant and backward.
Jeff's dad: You seem like a self-made man.
Jeff (with a massive smirk): Well, I kind of had to be. 🏳⚧🏳⚧🏳⚧