ummmm yesn't yes skill on heroes matter but meta is a huge thing notice who they react on picks and ban in a patch some hero is god tier depending on meta ex: zoo meta ti7, razor bloodstone meta(forgot when), toxin meta ti7, rat meta (alliance days) and many more ....meta matters thats why we patch
@@Nostalgia---7777 I create meta and don't follow it most of the time. That is why you see these pro players picking odd heroes in a different position because the see the win rate trend and follow it. Some players leads some follows.
@@Nostalgia---7777 It's like this for people that don't understand, you play the hero in a certain position where it looks broken. Hence you specialize, it might look like a troll or grief but a win is a win and players that look at trends will take notice. They can't deny that it works accross brackets. And then you see heroes like supports being played as core or in a different role. It doesn't always have to do with icefrog. It's abusing game mechanics and layers.
Ammar read the mood correctly here, if they tried to play the meta with the meta heroes they would get destroyed by other teams who are doing the same thing but are ahead. They needed to be unpredictable in their lanes but not too crazy. They are playing with a standin who needs to play comfortably, so they gave him his comfort heroes. Ammar needs to play his comfort heroes because he has to play freely and perfectly to accommodate Cebs heroes. In the end, Ceb played amazingly because Taiga and Ammar adapted to the heroes he could only play. Incredible teamwork and prep by OG
Ammar needs to play his comfort heroes because he can't play anything else. Case in point he could not keep up at all when a lot the heroes he played got nerfed and was completely unable or unwilling to adapt to the meta in TI.
There's a fine line between a signature hero and the right meta hero. If all it takes for you to win a game is to play a hero at 70% capacity, and you can do it, then you go for meta picks. If not, always go with signature picks that you know u can play at 95-100%. Ammar and misha is half right here.
If you need to win TI, either you have your signature heros as meta. OR adapt to play the IMBA heros better. Ammar needs to understand this. Otherwise his wins are just luck.
for those that didn't watch the Ceb interview, actually this is a sign where someone so passionate and care and really love the game. It's just the expression that needs to be "modified" and I like that perspective. Sometimes we just don't know what to say and just say something that might look offensive
It’s all about polishing the social skills. Ammar clearly is severely lacking in that department at several parts of the documentary, but he’s often right when arguing the point. As you say, if he just modifies his choice of words, his future becomes so much brighter
@@gabrielpautu9975 indeed. That s why Ammar is going back in Div 2 with Nigma and OG is going to Berlin major. DK Dragon Lance that s all I got to say
@@mateibusuioc5868 The reason they're going to div 2 if because they have two washed players in kuro and mc who were once great players but aren't all that good now
What ATF want to say that they should pick comfort hero. Like notail or ceb did when they won ti. They ask there player or player will suggest what they want to use.
Tf is wrong with kuro, dude was TI winner + 2times TI finalist. If now he is old, and so with notail & ceb, they all about to retire soon. Why compare him with misha 😅
This is what happens when you play a meta hero that's not comfy to play. Signature heroes are the ones you master rather then picking some fcking buffed up heroes you don't even want to play
@@SlowDownImWhiteonly one loss with WR ....I F Ceb was using it. Other teams tried it, it didnt work My point is, ammar was right, it wasnt imba or anything, the shard is not imba, its just its Cebs signature hero
@@peteguitar-pete The shard WAS imba, no other team had prepared for WR shard or any setups for it only ceb played it nobody else tried it because they didn't realise how strong it actually was. OG: picked WR 10 times (won 9) BB: picked WR once (won) Thunder: Picked WR once (loss) WR is not cebs sig hero far from it since he was mainly a pos3 player, ceb had just been playing a crazy amount of WR games before the stockholm major because he realised the shard was stupid (and why it got nerfed straight after the major). So no, Ammar was not right he just has an attitude problem and that's one of the reasons he was removed from OG (and why he's back to playing pos3 for NGX).
@@SlowDownImWhite No, Lina in our last patch was IMBA, picked every game by everyone or banned. That is IMBA. One guy picking it 10x and one teams picking 1 or 2x isn't IMBA. If it were then it would be first pick/ban like some other supports on our last patch like treant.
@@SlowDownImWhite i told you If ceb was using it. It looks like it is imba. 9 out of 10 when Ceb uses it. But look at other teams record with WR support. Can you not understand? I can't with this guy And by the way, OG did not kicked ammar. Ammar left.
They're both have points to be honest, some games you win because you're just ridiculously good at playing that certain hero and sometimes because its the meta. I believe those successful teams are able to balance both argument.
Ammar is right. Back in the days, players that excels the most we call them imbas. If a hero was played at 100 it can win 1v5. He's just reminding us of the potential of what a hero could do in a game. I'm missing those times.
@@xavierazad u noob 😂 herald kid ..go play dota with bots. Imba mean imbalance which mean if a hero is out of balance. I.e- cannot be killed and other hand he is killing
before dota2 and there was just "dota" when we play 5man in a caffe for betting games i always ask my team mates what hero can they use i ask them for at least 3 hero and then pick the hero that can sync in to other heroes , i dont let them use heroes that are strong but they cant use it smoothly this sounds dumb for someone playing as a captain for his team but we manage to win alot of games because of it and i am proud of my team mates even if they were 1.3k-2.3k mmr when dota2 becomes the thing and they enemies became 3-4k mmr they can still say we beat you in a 5v5 beforr 😊
@@muhdsoleh4052Ceb won the Major. Have you seen the statistics? With Misha subbed by Ceb or Chu they have 90% wr? Got carried by a substitute. Ammar is bad for any team
I love how Ammar is literally the EXACT opposite of Ceb back when he was the offlaner for OG 😂 Dude is toxic against opponents AND against teammates lol.
@@onyxblack1167 You can say that because that's his signature hero but dota buff win percentage for mars and timber was abyssmal. I can't remember the exact numbers but it's right around 47% winrate on pubs for both heroes. remember, no one was using timber or mars during that major with a few exeptions for mars who sometimes show up on other teams.
I have to say I am a long time fan of Nigma specially when they added Sumail, its basically my favorite Carry (Miracle) and my favorite Mid together, when Miracle rested I was still rooting for them but then Ammar Happened.. and Now I dont know
This is why u insta ban Meepo on W33, Magnus on Ar1se, Kunkka on Attacker, Invoker on Miracle, Mars on Collapse, Storm on Sumail, Puck on Mikoto, Tinker on Kiyotaka. Becauss those guy can make those heroes fucking looking imba bcoz its was their signature heroes.
Its remarkable how powerful the difference is at 5th teammate Nisha than 5th teammate Ceb. If Nisha was there instead of Ceb, Ammar and him would have kept arguing and vertainly lose third game. The presence of mind and leadership Ceb brings in literally a champion maker talent. Greatest respect from me. Note I am not saying Nisha isnt and amazingly talented player, he destroyed so many teams and will just get better yet.
Timber and razor were imba at the time, so I agree with Nisha, however ammar brings up wind ranger which is a good point, but doesn’t win him the argument.
now i know why ammar was "kicked". But I would say he did nothing wrong, even from a teamperspective, because Misha wasnt making a good point at all and even attacked ammar with it who just defended with speaking truth. Bad from both actually.
Misha just wasn’t that great. And ammar too cocky for his own good. Nothing will ever compare to the original sunflower boys. Humble yet supremely confident.
You will never win TI if the teammate carry toxic habits against teammate. No f way! History repeat by itself.. ATF believe put meta hero into line up has more chance of winning. This is short cut with half luck. OLD G believe the combination of both world.. the most important go with your feels.. the gut feel that glide the opponent
people keep balming ammar mc gh an so on even miracle about nigma bad play but the promblem is kuro. the main reason the changing roster from w33 til roster now never succeed is kuro. i would stan nigma again if kuro were retired as pos 5 in that team. it's tired to wait more than 3 years🤤
im a fans of OG since Miracle was playing for OG until this fcking Misha , im just so happy ATF is success at other team . ATF team hope goin to Ti and win it
That's why you need to master 5 main heroes.. my LC is 50% my entire acc, axe10%, ogre10%, centaur 10%, tinker10%, other 10 is random heroes.. if they steal my position, I'm pretty much useless.. I don't carry pos and support 😅😅
I dont think this is a conflict , its a discussion , its a competitive game , u think footballers go and spesk polite to each other in half time ? No , but they know its a competitive spirit and sport so its very acceptable , if u get offended by something so small as this then ur not allowed to be called a professional
At this point, Ammar is becoming a liability he is not versatile and cannot catch up with the meta. but If I'm the one who is picking I will also let him pick his signature hero and just trust the process.
Ammar is emotionally unstable. Look at him without Ceb and Misha's guidance, pos 1 using pos 3 heroes. I feel bad for Sumail and Miracle they need to join a new team
As if Sumail has done anything significant since leaving EG. Barely qualified to TI 10 with OG, didn't qualify for a single major with Secret last DPC season and couldn't qualify to TI with Miracle and Co in Nigma
meta heroes are there to change the pace of the game , a little success of those heroes can change the whole game. Imagine pro players using meta heroes that should be considered broken , Signature heroes are usually a risky pick since theyre pros , enemies will most likely have counter heroes or plays against those signature heroes , Big example was Topson's gyro diffu. Meta heroes are better cuz it wont pressure your teammates much of you getting countered or whatsoever. Ammar been trying to do shot calls on times that Ceb was talking or relaying shot calls as well 😶 It made the game looked like 4v5 since ammar was playing different plays from the other 4 teammates :( He's good that he was able to adjust on the spot but theres always a delay since he's planning by himself and following it also by himself
Bruh ceb spammed that heroo and made it look broken ...don't blame on some hero ...when a legend playin it and owning you the game all around its a good thing you are on that team ...when you don't give 100% to your game that 1% costs you the whole game ....never doubt a legend
i mean ammar was right but he has no valid reason to say that considering his low hero pool.. i mean how can you go with comfort picks if you can only play limited heroes and keeps getting banned lol
All things aside and yes the won the tournament.But i dont think Ammar is a ti winning player, unless he grows immensly more.I hope he had this was a while ago, but Ammar is such a beast. He needs his ego checked alot of times. Anyone wonders why Arteezy cant win Ti, its a different case whythan Ammar but there are certain players like this.
WTF is cocky... when they won the major.. he was like just standing there... not happy because he knows ceb carried them...ceb who was supposed to be just the substitute player became the savior... look at ammar now at Nigma... he cant even be a good carry player...ammar is a good player but inthink hes not a team player
You didn't understand what he meant. Misha was stating they should pick meta heroes but Ammar rebutted that they are winning with comfort heroes including WR which is right.
They are in the pit because they carry the legacy of OG where in they just pick the fck they want and still win it, the problem is this generation doesnt win it all
I used to be a TA/ursa/SF(4.5k smurf.) Specialising in a hero is fine but sometimes you have to adapt to the meta. I hated playing invoker but I learned it just to know how to beat it. In the end ceb is right. But ceb is always right.
Ammar wants to win which is why he has that attitude because he thinks that is their best way to win (taking sig heroes); but you should still listen to your coach&captain when you are the brand new pos 3 at your first major in your first div1 team. Kuro is NGXs captain so he should be directing the team, ammar isn't so he shouldn't have the final say.
to be fair everybody thought hes the star, but we can see that hes not that great... he may be right, maybe not. But how he talked with misha and the team is just so bad... hes a bad person
He need player like yuragi to make him shine,we call it sacrificial carry. The reason nigma is still doing like shit is because they cant do it like what yuragi did. They tried with slark offlNe and pango carry but it just not working.if atf want shine again,he need crystalis
Meanwhile taiga is chilling and chewing and analyzing the bet lol
its crazy if u think about it
@@AliImran-dg5jbwell it's true
Man, imagine you're Ceb, you throw away the talented young men thinking maybe you need roster shuffle, but all this time, it was a snake.
If you specialize in certain heroes then you make those heroes exceptional.
And once they're banned, you play an ez 5v4 game. Which is exactly what they did
ummmm yesn't yes skill on heroes matter but meta is a huge thing notice who they react on picks and ban in a patch some hero is god tier depending on meta ex: zoo meta ti7, razor bloodstone meta(forgot when), toxin meta ti7, rat meta (alliance days) and many more ....meta matters thats why we patch
@@Nostalgia---7777 I create meta and don't follow it most of the time. That is why you see these pro players picking odd heroes in a different position because the see the win rate trend and follow it. Some players leads some follows.
@@awtzzzzzzz2151 WHAHAHHA wht? what do you mean you create meta u ice frog? lmao
@@Nostalgia---7777 It's like this for people that don't understand, you play the hero in a certain position where it looks broken. Hence you specialize, it might look like a troll or grief but a win is a win and players that look at trends will take notice. They can't deny that it works accross brackets. And then you see heroes like supports being played as core or in a different role. It doesn't always have to do with icefrog. It's abusing game mechanics and layers.
Ammar read the mood correctly here, if they tried to play the meta with the meta heroes they would get destroyed by other teams who are doing the same thing but are ahead. They needed to be unpredictable in their lanes but not too crazy. They are playing with a standin who needs to play comfortably, so they gave him his comfort heroes. Ammar needs to play his comfort heroes because he has to play freely and perfectly to accommodate Cebs heroes. In the end, Ceb played amazingly because Taiga and Ammar adapted to the heroes he could only play. Incredible teamwork and prep by OG
Ammar needs to play his comfort heroes because he can't play anything else. Case in point he could not keep up at all when a lot the heroes he played got nerfed and was completely unable or unwilling to adapt to the meta in TI.
U mean ammar the 5 pool hero😂
Taiga LUL
There's a fine line between a signature hero and the right meta hero. If all it takes for you to win a game is to play a hero at 70% capacity, and you can do it, then you go for meta picks. If not, always go with signature picks that you know u can play at 95-100%. Ammar and misha is half right here.
ceb is like : nah this kids know nothing
Pretty wise comment
If you need to win TI, either you have your signature heros as meta. OR adapt to play the IMBA heros better. Ammar needs to understand this. Otherwise his wins are just luck.
How to perfectly kiss the ass of both sides. Sounded smart supported both didn’t land on a decision
80% at least. 70% wont cut it according to dota wiki. Get your facts right noob.
for those that didn't watch the Ceb interview, actually this is a sign where someone so passionate and care and really love the game. It's just the expression that needs to be "modified" and I like that perspective. Sometimes we just don't know what to say and just say something that might look offensive
It’s all about polishing the social skills. Ammar clearly is severely lacking in that department at several parts of the documentary, but he’s often right when arguing the point.
As you say, if he just modifies his choice of words, his future becomes so much brighter
@@MetalmcBiff look where he is now though
@@kusog3 I haven't seen his communication skills improving either though, hahah.
@@kusog3if we compare him with a human like you his life still 1000% better right? he still get a lot of money 🤷🏻♂️
@@kuzankuzma2721 and he's 18 💀
To be fair, Ceb and Ammar carried the shit out of OG in the major. Conflicts aside
Agreed after Amar left seems like OG are loosing their fire
@@gabrielpautu9975and with ammar too, without OG he becomes bad player, OG need ammar and ammar need OG
@@gabrielpautu9975 indeed. That s why Ammar is going back in Div 2 with Nigma and OG is going to Berlin major. DK Dragon Lance that s all I got to say
@@mateibusuioc5868 The reason they're going to div 2 if because they have two washed players in kuro and mc who were once great players but aren't all that good now
@@ds3654 yea its really sad to see how brilliant sumail is, even tho he's playing with 4 plank but he still playing at his best
At this point ammar is half right, wndd isnt umba, ceb made her imba
wndd isnt umba.
This broke my brain
@@Jeed92 sprry mmte, kybard brkeen
@@schneeraizor7020 np my brain also broken now
@@Jeed92 fair
ur brain broken
What ATF want to say that they should pick comfort hero. Like notail or ceb did when they won ti. They ask there player or player will suggest what they want to use.
right. what's the point of having a meta hero if the player is not comfortable with it. Bonus if your signature hero is also meta at the moment
Thats called true captain.
While taiga is brainstorming how to throw the next game 😂
signature hero vs META has a huge difference when it's a team that plays, not some pubs. Signature can be META with the team.
For those who don't know, they not only won that game, they won the tournament.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
Wtf bro
lmao
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE JEDI ARE EVILLLLLL
Goated
Misha sounded like kuro. That was one big red flag to have him captain again next season.
at least Kuro was very good at his peak, Misha is average
@Christian Kent i think as long as puppey plays kuro will also
Tf is wrong with kuro, dude was TI winner + 2times TI finalist. If now he is old, and so with notail & ceb, they all about to retire soon. Why compare him with misha 😅
in a game's pro scene where players retire young, old captains😊 should be feared.
@@briansiallagan1923actually 3 time ti finalist
Understanding of a Hero, is really have big impact on the game
This is what happens when you play a meta hero that's not comfy to play. Signature heroes are the ones you master rather then picking some fcking buffed up heroes you don't even want to play
Well he was right, windranger wasnt imba.They used it well got Ceb is so good with it They won in big part because of Ceb and Ammar
The shard was imba with the correct setup which Ceb showed in this tourney. He literally had a 90%+ win rate in a tourney with WR....
@@SlowDownImWhiteonly one loss with WR ....I F Ceb was using it.
Other teams tried it, it didnt work
My point is, ammar was right, it wasnt imba or anything, the shard is not imba, its just its Cebs signature hero
@@peteguitar-pete The shard WAS imba, no other team had prepared for WR shard or any setups for it only ceb played it nobody else tried it because they didn't realise how strong it actually was.
OG: picked WR 10 times (won 9)
BB: picked WR once (won)
Thunder: Picked WR once (loss)
WR is not cebs sig hero far from it since he was mainly a pos3 player, ceb had just been playing a crazy amount of WR games before the stockholm major because he realised the shard was stupid (and why it got nerfed straight after the major). So no, Ammar was not right he just has an attitude problem and that's one of the reasons he was removed from OG (and why he's back to playing pos3 for NGX).
@@SlowDownImWhite No, Lina in our last patch was IMBA, picked every game by everyone or banned. That is IMBA.
One guy picking it 10x and one teams picking 1 or 2x isn't IMBA. If it were then it would be first pick/ban like some other supports on our last patch like treant.
@@SlowDownImWhite i told you
If ceb was using it. It looks like it is imba.
9 out of 10 when Ceb uses it.
But look at other teams record with WR support.
Can you not understand? I can't with this guy
And by the way, OG did not kicked ammar. Ammar left.
They're both have points to be honest, some games you win because you're just ridiculously good at playing that certain hero and sometimes because its the meta. I believe those successful teams are able to balance both argument.
Without knowing too much context or knowing Ammar, you can tell the boy was passionate & would speak his mind
Ammar is right. Back in the days, players that excels the most we call them imbas. If a hero was played at 100 it can win 1v5. He's just reminding us of the potential of what a hero could do in a game. I'm missing those times.
Imba is short for imbalanced, which means overpowered because they haven't been properly nerfed yet.
@@xavierazad u noob 😂 herald kid ..go play dota with bots.
Imba mean imbalance which mean if a hero is out of balance.
I.e- cannot be killed and other hand he is killing
@@winnerman3535you literally just repeated what he said in a different way you absolute weirdo
Bro everybody need to understand ammar is not an offlane player smh
Hes not any role player. Hes like a pub player playing heroes that he only knows
@Dabfow you can add some hero to ammar's pool now. Brood, pango,
@@rfcgaming7250 he aint playing those
@@rfcgaming7250 (???)
He never plays Brood or Pango, wtf
..
taiga be like : the betting odds is very imba
this is just normal classic argument in dota,
before dota2 and there was just "dota" when we play 5man in a caffe for betting games i always ask my team mates what hero can they use i ask them for at least 3 hero and then pick the hero that can sync in to other heroes , i dont let them use heroes that are strong but they cant use it smoothly this sounds dumb for someone playing as a captain for his team but we manage to win alot of games because of it and i am proud of my team mates even if they were 1.3k-2.3k mmr when dota2 becomes the thing and they enemies became 3-4k mmr they can still say we beat you in a 5v5 beforr 😊
Legend one said , whoever win the mental warfare he win the game . THIS IS DOTA 2 AMMAR
Ammar is strong in the game but weak in the mind.
he won the major
@@jhoncarlobanal115 weak in the mind when he wins games while tilted?
@@muhdsoleh4052Ceb won the Major. Have you seen the statistics? With Misha subbed by Ceb or Chu they have 90% wr? Got carried by a substitute. Ammar is bad for any team
@@wigipaigan8182 ummmmm OG is getting worse since ammar left, no?
I love how Ammar is literally the EXACT opposite of Ceb back when he was the offlaner for OG 😂
Dude is toxic against opponents AND against teammates lol.
The only reason why Ammar is arguing that using signature hero is the way to win is because his signature heroes is basically all his hero pool
And his hero was strong at that time.
@@onyxblack1167 You can say that because that's his signature hero but dota buff win percentage for mars and timber was abyssmal. I can't remember the exact numbers but it's right around 47% winrate on pubs for both heroes.
remember, no one was using timber or mars during that major with a few exeptions for mars who sometimes show up on other teams.
I have to say I am a long time fan of Nigma specially when they added Sumail, its basically my favorite Carry (Miracle) and my favorite Mid together, when Miracle rested I was still rooting for them but then Ammar Happened.. and Now I dont know
Nigma will rise again. 😁
Im a nigma fan bec of miracle. After i saw this vdeo i think ammar have something to pull off. Look at what happen to OG now.
@@rfcgaming7250 so what happened to OG now? Hahaha they qualified to Berlin Major and Nigma went to Division 2 😂
Not even three gods can carry Kuro and MC at their levels now, so washed up lmao
There was no teamwork or true care for one another like the original OG.
This is why u insta ban Meepo on W33, Magnus on Ar1se, Kunkka on Attacker, Invoker on Miracle, Mars on Collapse, Storm on Sumail, Puck on Mikoto, Tinker on Kiyotaka. Becauss those guy can make those heroes fucking looking imba bcoz its was their signature heroes.
Mikoto? Div 2 sea player?
and BSchilli2 Riki
@@fauziabubakar995 wtf , dif 1 sea and one of the best Mid player in the World not just on Regeion
@xXSUBJECT3Xx what are you trying to say. he is right.
@@fauziabubakar995malingsial spotted
I started to respect this kid, hes right. U dont need wide hero pool to play dota. You only to master like 5-10 hero and you will be good
Ceb is the real IMBA ❤
Ammar is speaking like a true Slacks watcher, he hates WR with such passion he's MENA Slacks.
Ammar without misha won some lan tournaments
I disagree because Misha worked from home. Don't ignore his contribution.
@@DungHoang-ev7er Ammar held the team together, without him they going Div 2 now
Misha fkin garbage shud have not let ammr go
@@youtubeguy9529 yea, nigma is in Div2 right now while OG kept their status and qualified for Berlin Major 😂
@@youtubeguy9529 check liquipedia from time to time bro and stop dickriding poor Ammar, he already has a lot of holes to accommodate.
didnt he have small hero pool which was the problem.
Toxic or not, ammar knows the game. That's all I'll say
Mao ba? Kabugok ana
@@Yssa60 human nakadaog man silag major diria?? Unsang maingun nimo ana?
@@k4nna.525wasyay maingon Kay bugok man sab na, misha fan man gud
toxic and smelly
@@Yssa60 ka bugok ba nimo oi pag puyo kaon pakag tae lipay pa mi
Its remarkable how powerful the difference is at 5th teammate Nisha than 5th teammate Ceb. If Nisha was there instead of Ceb, Ammar and him would have kept arguing and vertainly lose third game. The presence of mind and leadership Ceb brings in literally a champion maker talent. Greatest respect from me.
Note I am not saying Nisha isnt and amazingly talented player, he destroyed so many teams and will just get better yet.
Yea but Nisha isnt playing pos 5
@@lokanantazain its neither relevant nor I said pos 5, how did you manage to miss my point lol
@@Klimbo93 he meant nisha is from liquid, u r talking bout misha lol
@@Klimbo93how did you manage to miss YOUR own point lol
well, u also half right,
Ceb was there but Nisha wasnt.
Misha was.
Only old OG can win tournaments using their signature heroes even if it is not imba
Timber and razor were imba at the time, so I agree with Nisha, however ammar brings up wind ranger which is a good point, but doesn’t win him the argument.
Nisha? Lol
Yeah... He was non existent in TI after the patch.
Ammar was being sarcastic.
nisha u head ..
now i know why ammar was "kicked".
But I would say he did nothing wrong, even from a teamperspective, because Misha wasnt making a good point at all and even attacked ammar with it who just defended with speaking truth.
Bad from both actually.
misha: start listening to me
well you only listen to ur self anyway
Misha just wasn’t that great. And ammar too cocky for his own good.
Nothing will ever compare to the original sunflower boys. Humble yet supremely confident.
Theyre 17 yr old the fuck? Hahaha
We'll see them in div 2 soon
ceb was known as super toxic back in the day.
@@truthenjoyer4423 not against his own teammates though
as much as i hate ammar's personality, he makes a great point. playing their signature heroes is what won OG the grand finals in ti8 after all
You will never win TI if the teammate carry toxic habits against teammate. No f way! History repeat by itself.. ATF believe put meta hero into line up has more chance of winning. This is short cut with half luck. OLD G believe the combination of both world.. the most important go with your feels.. the gut feel that glide the opponent
You can pick any hero when u know the capability of the hero 100%... Here ammar is right 80%
people keep balming ammar mc gh an so on even miracle about nigma bad play but the promblem is kuro. the main reason the changing roster from w33 til roster now never succeed is kuro. i would stan nigma again if kuro were retired as pos 5 in that team. it's tired to wait more than 3 years🤤
im a fans of OG since Miracle was playing for OG until this fcking Misha , im just so happy ATF is success at other team . ATF team hope goin to Ti and win it
ammar is true
but it depends on mentally and on player
ATF spot on
That's why you need to master 5 main heroes.. my LC is 50% my entire acc, axe10%, ogre10%, centaur 10%, tinker10%, other 10 is random heroes.. if they steal my position, I'm pretty much useless.. I don't carry pos and support 😅😅
Ammar is like Kuroky so much pride.
Did you win TI? did you win even a single tournament?
I dont think this is a conflict , its a discussion , its a competitive game , u think footballers go and spesk polite to each other in half time ? No , but they know its a competitive spirit and sport so its very acceptable , if u get offended by something so small as this then ur not allowed to be called a professional
At this point, Ammar is becoming a liability he is not versatile and cannot catch up with the meta. but If I'm the one who is picking I will also let him pick his signature hero and just trust the process.
Ammar is emotionally unstable. Look at him without Ceb and Misha's guidance, pos 1 using pos 3 heroes. I feel bad for Sumail and Miracle they need to join a new team
Delusional comment. Imagine calling someone emotionally unstable over wanting to win.
Yeah he’s not emotionally unstable he is emotional I’m sure you’ve had one before
As if Sumail has done anything significant since leaving EG. Barely qualified to TI 10 with OG, didn't qualify for a single major with Secret last DPC season and couldn't qualify to TI with Miracle and Co in Nigma
@@lalfakzualahnamte2021 still, already won ti. Dont give a fck
Ammar is good if he got Timber or Husker other than that he is bad
i still love the old og
Ammar just cant follow rules, he felt he should lead the team.
meta heroes are there to change the pace of the game , a little success of those heroes can change the whole game. Imagine pro players using meta heroes that should be considered broken , Signature heroes are usually a risky pick since theyre pros , enemies will most likely have counter heroes or plays against those signature heroes , Big example was Topson's gyro diffu. Meta heroes are better cuz it wont pressure your teammates much of you getting countered or whatsoever. Ammar been trying to do shot calls on times that Ceb was talking or relaying shot calls as well 😶 It made the game looked like 4v5 since ammar was playing different plays from the other 4 teammates :( He's good that he was able to adjust on the spot but theres always a delay since he's planning by himself and following it also by himself
I bet Misha had a huge role for kicking him, worst move ever, they should bring him back and take misha out.
This ammar and misha do nothing for OG. They won that major thanks to Cen and Yugari not stroke
He was good when his heroes were strong but he's been a disaster since the change in meta. He's single handedly driving Nigma back to tier 2.
nigma is scum to pick him an offlaner toplay pos 1
Bruh ceb spammed that heroo and made it look broken ...don't blame on some hero ...when a legend playin it and owning you the game all around its a good thing you are on that team ...when you don't give 100% to your game that 1% costs you the whole game ....never doubt a legend
i mean ammar was right but he has no valid reason to say that considering his low hero pool.. i mean how can you go with comfort picks if you can only play limited heroes and keeps getting banned lol
The other is still a player and the other sent back to coaching. Pro player isnt for everyone
The guy that knows how to play only 3 heroes gtfo here
All things aside and yes the won the tournament.But i dont think Ammar is a ti winning player, unless he grows immensly more.I hope he had this was a while ago, but Ammar is such a beast. He needs his ego checked alot of times.
Anyone wonders why Arteezy cant win Ti, its a different case whythan Ammar but there are certain players like this.
I like Vsauce was there just listening
WTF is cocky... when they won the major.. he was like just standing there... not happy because he knows ceb carried them...ceb who was supposed to be just the substitute player became the savior... look at ammar now at Nigma... he cant even be a good carry player...ammar is a good player but inthink hes not a team player
What documentary is this and where can i watch it?
listen what uncle said kid.. ammar said.
Signature Hero are Above META sometimes didnt See Ana IO? or His Spectre? both of that doesnt realy In META at TI 8 and 9 but they still winning it..
wr 5 is not imba lol this performance won this major and he still says this
No one picked or ban windran. I was just pure ceb who made it IMBA. Kid got a point bud.
You didn't understand what he meant. Misha was stating they should pick meta heroes but Ammar rebutted that they are winning with comfort heroes including WR which is right.
He's implying that Ceb made windrunner IMBA
U know u gonna get mad
When people stating the truth 🗿
They are in the pit because they carry the legacy of OG where in they just pick the fck they want and still win it, the problem is this generation doesnt win it all
I used to be a TA/ursa/SF(4.5k smurf.) Specialising in a hero is fine but sometimes you have to adapt to the meta. I hated playing invoker but I learned it just to know how to beat it. In the end ceb is right. But ceb is always right.
Both had their points
Ammar boasting about 3 years experience in Dota.
Meanwhile Ammar : IMBA IMBA HEROES
*can't know that term w/o playing Dota 1 bruh*
WR pos 5 isnt imba, but CEB is...
So that why Ammar rarely plays another Heroes huh
not picking IMBA then lose like NIGMA.
Yo is that VSauce? 😳
Ah yes the words imba it's been a while i heard this one
Mindgames are sooooo strong
Attacker is undoubtedly the best Kunkka, but he never wins major tournament.
Where can i watch full version
Redbull Gaming YT page, my friend.
Redbul esports channel released a new video about ceb. Its in UA-cam
You have your answer mate
wind pos 5 is only imba because of ceb
Why do I feel ammar is the 2nd Kuroky? I mean is that like kind of "Just do as I said coz IDGAF about the rest"
Misha's the one sounds like Kuroky since he's starting to restrict other players to not pick their comfort heroes
Ammar is young and is a core. Not comparable with Kuro and Misha's bossiness as captains.
Ammar wants to win which is why he has that attitude because he thinks that is their best way to win (taking sig heroes); but you should still listen to your coach&captain when you are the brand new pos 3 at your first major in your first div1 team. Kuro is NGXs captain so he should be directing the team, ammar isn't so he shouldn't have the final say.
@@SlowDownImWhite saw your comments almost in every sections. you hate him or what?
@@kecohmedia839 I've commented twice and i liked ammar in OG; if you actually read what i put then you might recognise this. 🙂
To be fair, Ammar was their star player on the team
to be fair everybody thought hes the star, but we can see that hes not that great... he may be right, maybe not. But how he talked with misha and the team is just so bad... hes a bad person
@@PrefoX not a fan of Ammar, however he is not a person but I do think he's a bad teammate
@PrefoX he IS the star during the rebuild OG. Dont confuse attitude with skill.
He need player like yuragi to make him shine,we call it sacrificial carry. The reason nigma is still doing like shit is because they cant do it like what yuragi did. They tried with slark offlNe and pango carry but it just not working.if atf want shine again,he need crystalis
Pfft lol he doesn't even play real pos 3 heroes or even micro intensive heroes plus his hero pool is so little.
He is right, picking stupid heroes is a joke
And then he left for NGX because he always wanted to be pos1 or pos2.
And that's turned out great 😂
I think he's doing pretty good as 3 in Falcons though??
Ofc signature heroes will win. Collapse magnus, dendi pudge vs tongfu, and puppey chen vs tongfu too
Tbh misha was Joke... Chu was the real deal when he stood in misha's spot.
I agree with amar because he is champion.
Misha out
Ceb and chu in 0G= CHAMPION
MISHA IS THE PROBLEM
what does "enigma 8" mean? also in 2019 True sight they say "ember 15"
picked in 8th stage of captains mode (2nd pick i guess)
OG was so bad when Misha was their coach. That guy is rubbish. Zero impact to the team.
Ammar need to change his attitude and listen.
does CEB remember what he said about russians?
Safe to watch bois. Na'Vi is back!
how to watch full video
Go search " Ceb comeback". It's about an hour documentary uploaded by Redbull gaming.
@@kuo2848 danke shot
LGD losing TI with Tiny+Lycan imba meta xD
and they with the next game with windrunner
Now i know why Ammar got kicked from OG
He leaves
he wasnt kicked by OG. he left on his own