and as always, they pull the bate and switch, apparently all reviewer cards are Sapphire which had almost 0 availability, have you had the chance to look at the other AIB´s
Is it really true that AMD reference 7900xtx and 7900xt are made by sapphire?? And when finally they release custom version could you test it. Thank you for your awesome work. Greetings
Its nice that the fans are attached to the shroud bracket thing instead of the heatsink, that way you can easily deshroud the gpu and use regular fans such as Noctua NF-A12x25's to keep it cool and quiet without bending anything
Except that the shroud is secured by screws inaccessible without removing the PCB, which might be an issue due to fairly exotic thermal interface materials that would need to be replaced with equivalents.
I feel that the thermistor is more for AMD to collect data on average case temps. Every Radeon update asks for your anonymous data to be sent. The knowledge of the average user is far more valuable to them than it is to you
@@concinnus Maybe. This setup gives you a more accurate temp for what the heatsink is feeling with the airflow as opposed to static air. There are many reasons this might be beneficial and serve multiple roles as opposed to just case temps.
@@crazedw00kie As they are, they can't tell the difference between a case intake that's choked off and a card that's choked up against glass on a vertical mount. But with an intake sensor, if you can assume the exhaust is consistent, you can discern where it's choked -- and also figure out "what the heatsink is feeling" given the power, fan speed, inlet temp, and heatsink modeling. So I wouldn't be surprised if they do actually have a good inlet sensor as well, on one of the outer PCBs.
In the future would you please measure the PCB dimensions? This is useful for those of us who intend to water cool or otherwise not use the stock cooler and it's difficult to find these dimensions.
I like the simplicity and matte black theme. Even the red fins add a nice touch. They could improve it with a flat fin profile and fan assembly like evgas ftw
This is actually so much better than the review. Oh, the review was probably the most informative we will see, but the "nuts and bolts" seem so much more interesting. Carry On Steve.
I honestly love the design of this card the shrowd and angles are smart and feel flowing. and the red accents are smart and subtle. a very mature yet stylish look
AIBs don't make the PCB. They make designs based on how much their want to spend on manufacturing their specific SKU's PCBs, like how many capacitors or how many phases, but AMD does all the work in-house.
@@RNG-999 Not sure about AMD, but at least Nvidia cards have different PCBs compared to the FE. AMD provides a reference model, that tells me that AIBs can stick to the same PCB design (to keep costs low) or make their own PCB.
It can squeal like a pig, Nvidia essentially being the GPU scalpers now means I'll be getting my first AMD GPU since they were called ATI. I'd rather pay a grand and get most of the performance, then shell out more and condone the gouging.
Lol... Both are gouging, it's just Nvidia are doing so slightly more than AMD. It's not really condoning gouging, buy buying an AMD GPU, when AMD are doing exactly the same. It's like saying I support Stalin over Hitler in World War 2, because Stalin committed slightly less atrocities. Sorry, but both where evil dictators at the end of the day, who commited genocide and killed millions of innocent civilians in thier wake. If you really want to see an end to gouging then don't buy anything (at least yet) from either company. If both companies struggle to sell those cards, then they'll both will have no other choice but lower down their prices, until they do start to sell in reasonable numbers. Which in turn will hopefully result in a downward spiraling pricing war between the two companies, that will eventually end at a point where people are then willing to pay those far more reasonable and reduced prices for thier GPU's. It also teaches both of them a major lesson on not trying to rip customers off in the first place and that ultimately it's always the customers that dictates a products actual value.
@@Apollo-Computers Yep! So far I’m pretty confident In the card since it’s lived up to what it’s been stated to be capable of and is arguably better than the 4080 in the aspects that matter the most.
@@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature I mean, while it's no Nitro+, they are hardly bad. So, if you don't mind sacrificing a few degrees, it's not exactly the worst buy. It's not like you're buying the old NVidia blower designs.
@@ShroudedWolf51 i also heard about a coil whine and power draw problems on these reference cards. I would rather pay a small premium for better partner cards to avoid these problems.
I miss the external vent cards. Used to have 2 140mm fans blowing up from the bottom of my case right into the card that ten exhausted outside the case. Then I would have the front fans also blowing forward and the graphics card size would kinda create a natural block where half the front fans just blew into the upper part of the case and either out the rear fan behind the cpu or up and out the top fans.
It just wasn't verry efficient for todays cards, you get more airflow out over the fins as they are now with side extraction, compared to the smaller space it has to exhaust from over the fins out the back
@@exoticspeedefy7916 I think with the ability to move where actual pci-e cards go in a case with cabling they should just redesign cases so the cards have their own section of the case. Kind of what they did with power supplies
@@blue-steel7177 I was thinking the verry same thing, the card exhausts out both sides so all the hot air is going to the motherboard and NVME drive. Except you need to use a riser cable and those can limit performance.. There is an open air like case called Antec Striker that allows the GPU to be mount at the front of the case, with exhaust flow directly out the sides of the GPU with nothing restricting it, keeping it away from the AIO and board. Shame the case in ITX though.. that case is a good example of what is ideal for GPU thermals and no front fans needed
4:40 If I can make a suggestion - there are plastic calipers on the market. With them you can measure the components without any sort of risk for damaging the product.
I used this as a teardown guide! My 7900 XTX is one of the defective ones. And my friend's isn't. He opted to liquid cool his. So I swapped our coolers (: Junction temp on mine now after about 30 minutes of Returnal on Epic settings 1440p/165Hz went down from 112 to 92. And it's MUCH quieter.
Just watched(again) your tear down of the 7900 xtx. Since I got my waterblock from EKWB today. Thanks for the teardown it was helpful. You will be happy to know that EKWB's backplate uses thermal pads to use the backplate as a heatsink.
Excited to see you review/breakdown the nitro+ from sapphire, always love their cards, excited to get my hands on one and see how it performs, at just 100 more usd retail than reference too
19:21 I wish gaming laptops would start to receive aftermarket attention and get such giant coolers to enable gaming laptops upgrades and tuning. This relies on gaming laptop manufacturers to build them accordingly so that the GPU and CPU are much closer to the desktop versions in terms of construction and components used. 99% of us gaming laptop users aren't using them on planes or trains or during a commute, but are using them at home then at the hotel and ten at another hotel, plugged in. So we don't care much about the form factor, as the laptop will be taken with a backpack or inside the luggage. Having a thick cooling area protuding won't be an issue quite a benefit because as it is right now, gaming laptops are recommended to have the rear suspended for better airflow. And as usage, with the stock cooling the laptop to be using similar level of performance as current gaming laptops offer (or future development), but when you plug in an aftermarket serious large cooling like at the caption time, to open up a boost menu and really unlock the potential, with clock speeds etc..
I have some PTM7950 coming for my Red Devil 7900XTX but I wasn't sure if I'd got a large enough sheet. I thought, "now who would have the measurements I need?" And here we are. What a guy. Best tech channel 12/10
@@gorky_vk Trust me, thermal pads won't help much if there isn't strong and direct airflow on them, because the metal surface of the back plate will simply absorb the heat really fast, especially if the card is running something with 100% GPU usage, you are looking at the back plate being fully saturated with heat within the first 15 mins or so which then, because it is heated as acts against acquiring more heat, at least to a lower rate. Removing the back plate and have two fans to pull the air from it is gonna do waaaaaay more than bottlenecking the thermal transfer rate with thermal pads and the back plate acting as heatsink, its thermal capacity is low anyway.
1. Is it just me or does the PBC looks kind of bent? 2. The fans don't seem to have individual plugs. Does that mean you have to choose between soldering wires or replacing all 3 fans when one breaks?
When Gamers Nexus says "It's been done before" it's a compliment because it was said instead of phrases like "catches on fire", "explodes" and *face of disbelief against incompetence* :D
Steve, let me tell you a story about screws. If you think its easy to strip out those screws, you haven't changed brake rotors on a honda. At first glance, the rotor is screwed in using 2 phillips screws. Firstly, WHY, when the lugnuts and eventually, rust, hold the rotor in place. Second, they aren't phillips screws even though they look like it, in fact, they are JIS (japanese industry standard) screws. Not a single other screw in the entire car uses this style if "phillips" screw. Not only does the screw eventually corrode and rust to the rotor itself, making it literally impossible to take out (even with an impact), it is super easy to strip it by not having a japanese screw driver! WHY! The only solution for me was to literally hammer the bit with a regular phillips impact bit while also spraying it with rust remover. After about 15 minutes per screw per wheel...they came out. Funny enough, they are also called "CrossPoint" screws.
8:12 watching steve removing PCB screws gave me anxiety lol, the way he carelessly hits and scratches the board, that's how I tear a trace before lol, now I put my fingers at the screw driver tip to avoid it from flying off
I am so damn impressed by GN/Steve, his breadth of knowledge, and how thorough and professional he is. Not to mention, entertaining AF. I love this channel. I’m not even a gamer. I just so enjoy learning about the tech. I also like feeling stupid for being a proud owner of a 4080. Ha! Yup, I’m that guy. Thanks, Steve and GN.
I mean, not trying to purposefully be mean, but if you aren't a gamer why bother spending thousands for a 4080? There are much better rendering cards out there. What you're telling me is you're identical to those girls who buy lense-less glasses frames, and then call themselves gamers? I mean yeah, I guess let your freak flag fly if you're proud to be a poser.
@@BasedEMT1776 my computer is a workstation and it’s a business expense. I work from home and enjoy what I do. I was a WildLand firefighter for years and am now retired. I left the workforce, taught myself how to edit video, work in blender etc. I have no boss, no gods and no masters. I have a beautiful (to me) partner and no one that I feel the need to impress. Im not a gamer, I said. I enjoy educating myself and have the time to do so. I work hard, and I own everything I do. Don’t worry, you cannot hurt my feelings. Do your worst, little one.
@@BasedEMT1776 Are you an actually an EMT, a first responder? If I am being disrespected by a fellow first responder, that’s disappointing. Grow some self respect.
Steve is great, the only tech reviewer aside from a few others that you can reliably trust to give an unbiased review. Not to mention the shear amount of Data they can collect for their reviews instead of a couple bar graphs. Really gives perspective to potential buyers and I love that.
I was interested in one of your mod mats however it doesn't seem like you even use it, you only used it for screw storage and not tear down, also no wrist strap? I'm confused I thought this was a very helpful tool but it looks like it's just a soft pad to set down your screws?
THERMAL TEST please Steve: (pretty please consider) Every time I see this cooler layout, I feel that it would work better if the rear edge (mobo side) was just sealed off. 1/2 of the exhausted air is hitting the motherboard and with nowhere else to go is being fed straight back into the cooler (compounding) every time. The drawbacks seem obvious; but with no recycling of exhausted air (in a conventional top exhaust case) it would be interesting to see how this effects temperature and noise. I feel like it may be louder but also cooler.
i saw a neat trick yesterday to get stripped screws out of holes. baking soda + superglue. add baking soda to the hole, make new indent with driver, add superglue.. dries in like 3 seconds or less rock solid.
Thank you for the honest and unbiased review of these cards. I'll skip channel nanes, but many reviewers have a very pessimistic tone, and they genuinely seem to be shocked when on avg it's on par or better than what AMD had publicly stated. Of course everyone wanted to see these cards stomp Nvidia, but it seems like they only want that to drive the price of the Nvidia equivalent part down... Never really calling out the innovation and great engineering when it's staring at them. THE FIRST CONSUMER CHIPLET-BASED GPU... This sound incredible to me that it's in the realm of the much bigger die, on a smaller process node (4NE).
can u make a toturial if is possible to fix the juntion temps in any away like replacing thermal pads or someting? that will be a damn interesting video, fixing AMD mess
Hey Steve, can we get a throwback video of this card being Frankensteined with an AIO and use MPT Tool to overclock the hell out of this card? I always missed those videos to see the wacky potential of overclocking. I'll never forget the Vega 56 being nearly on par with the 2070 with 400+ watts. 😂
With all the two+ slot designs, I just wondered if current top of the line cards are in any way limited by PCIe bandwith and therefore could benefit from using that thickness by actually populating two slots for double the bandwith? 🤔 Perhaps with older PCIe spec mobos?
Where do you get a second slot with PCIe4 x16 fully populated? Consumer boards may have a second x16 slot, but this slot is usually electrically x4 and depending on the chipset only PCIe3. And the data has to go thorugh the chipset to the CPU. If you want to have two full x16 slots, you would have to go Threadripper or Xeon. And then you also have to deal with mechanical problems, e.g. the slots sitting at the right places.
No that's not how it works. Also having multiple PCI-E connection would present tons of technical challenges. Also also,PCI-E Gen 5 is already way ahead of all current GPUs and the spec will continue outpacing their needs.
its just me or the 7900xtx and 7900xt has no thermal pads on the back? while nvidia does have on each vram (the back side...that doesn't even have vram chips but still has thermal pads) if xt doesn't have it either...maybe i might consider adding some... specially on the v-ram and probably capacitors too
Hi, can you suggest based on your vision, if 7900 xtx will have the same price with 4080 gygabite oc, what you will prefeare to buy? Will amd be Open their potential with new drivers or fsr 3, or with Unreal engine 5? Thank you
I got the XFX Reference model and there IS a warranty void if removed sticker on one of the backplate screws. Also, the red paint on my fins isn't all that great. It doesn't look well done and go down the fins like Steve pointed out on one of his reference cards.
How thick of a thermal pad should I buy? I have the same reference card and I need to maintain it. I would be happy if you help. My English is not very good so I couldn't understand the video
Just want to spread the message: I own a 7900xtx reference and at 4k the temps jump to 110c at 100% fan speed and the temps stay there. After looking around this problem is more then common. Reddit is full with complaints(and people claiming its normal) and my local tech site has also plenty of complaints.
tyi this card is not compatible on the Asus X570 Crosshair Impact. The Backplate interferes with the Vrm cooler of the Board. i had to remove the backplate to fit the card in.
i like the design of this card; it'd be exceptionally easy to Hybrid cool. it looks like it should be possible to remove the heatsink and shroud WITHOUT removing the baseplate. then just pop out the middle fan, slap on a waterblock, and put the shroud back on so the 2 fans left can cool the RAM/VRM.
Yay. Working power connection :-) Reasonable Card Size Prices under 1k Dont need RGB. Now i want a hybrid version where you can plugin water but dont need to and this is my next card.
with the Coil whine from these Cards, its very clear that Padding the Inductors would reduce it Massively Wonderwhy they never did that. it makes a HUGE difference with the EVGA and ASUS 30XX cards.
We did the review with full thermals, fan behavior, mechanical tests, etc. over in this video! ua-cam.com/video/We71eXwKODw/v-deo.html
and as always, they pull the bate and switch, apparently all reviewer cards are Sapphire which had almost 0 availability, have you had the chance to look at the other AIB´s
Has repasting the GPU reduced thermal? Some people are having junction temperature at 110 and throttling.
Is it really true that AMD reference 7900xtx and 7900xt are made by sapphire??
And when finally they release custom version could you test it. Thank you for your awesome work. Greetings
Steve, you guys really need electric screwdriver in GN set ;)
Thanks for the teardown and thermals really nice as always, keep it up!
any plans to do the same, but with the defective cards? 110 degree
This is definitely my favorite reference design look of any AMD card to date.
It looks ugly to me. Glossy black plastic? Really?
@@username8644 its subjective
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rx 6900 xt was much more beautiful in silver !!
Not sure if it's new, but really liking the white backlit table!
Keep up the great work GN Crew, really appreciate it!
yeah it looks awesome!
Noticed that too. My OLED poppin’.
Don't think it's new, Steve usually has the modmat under whatever he's doing.
@@wicksleysnipes1476 ikr, and this isn't even in HDR lol
Thanks Steve
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Its nice that the fans are attached to the shroud bracket thing instead of the heatsink, that way you can easily deshroud the gpu and use regular fans such as Noctua NF-A12x25's to keep it cool and quiet without bending anything
Custom 3D printed fan mount shroud, an interesting idea.
Or Phanteks T30's if you want the best 🤫
Except that the shroud is secured by screws inaccessible without removing the PCB, which might be an issue due to fairly exotic thermal interface materials that would need to be replaced with equivalents.
@@pauljeffs7 Arctic P12*** fixed it for you
@@TLM-Nathan be quiet! Silent Wings PRO more like it
I like this table and the general lighting, very good visibility of everything on the card and no clutter.
I feel that the thermistor is more for AMD to collect data on average case temps. Every Radeon update asks for your anonymous data to be sent. The knowledge of the average user is far more valuable to them than it is to you
Interesting thought
Probably, but it still would have been more accurate at the shroud.
@@concinnus Maybe. This setup gives you a more accurate temp for what the heatsink is feeling with the airflow as opposed to static air. There are many reasons this might be beneficial and serve multiple roles as opposed to just case temps.
put the tinfoil down son
@@crazedw00kie As they are, they can't tell the difference between a case intake that's choked off and a card that's choked up against glass on a vertical mount. But with an intake sensor, if you can assume the exhaust is consistent, you can discern where it's choked -- and also figure out "what the heatsink is feeling" given the power, fan speed, inlet temp, and heatsink modeling. So I wouldn't be surprised if they do actually have a good inlet sensor as well, on one of the outer PCBs.
The inclusion of the AUB0812VD-00 DC12V 0.45A fan reference number was a pro gamer move.
In the future would you please measure the PCB dimensions? This is useful for those of us who intend to water cool or otherwise not use the stock cooler and it's difficult to find these dimensions.
I like the simplicity and matte black theme. Even the red fins add a nice touch. They could improve it with a flat fin profile and fan assembly like evgas ftw
If I were AMD, I would be breaking EVGA's door down with requests to partner. EVGA in the AMD space would be a game changer, no doubt.
I like that each output jack has it's own screw so it's never going to have broken/dodgy solder joints from plugging and unplugging monitors
This is actually so much better than the review. Oh, the review was probably the most informative we will see, but the "nuts and bolts" seem so much more interesting. Carry On Steve.
I honestly love the design of this card the shrowd and angles are smart and feel flowing. and the red accents are smart and subtle. a very mature yet stylish look
Steve you never cease to amaze me. At least you disabble things :) Thanks sir.
Aw man now that you pointed it out I kinda want a red PCB, like the old times. Maybe an AIB card will have it and a cool design? Heres hoping!
AIBs don't make the PCB.
They make designs based on how much their want to spend on manufacturing their specific SKU's PCBs, like how many capacitors or how many phases, but AMD does all the work in-house.
@@RNG-999 AIBs do make PCBs, even with reference design AMD only sell them GPU and probably memory as kit to them.
@@RNG-999 Not sure about AMD, but at least Nvidia cards have different PCBs compared to the FE.
AMD provides a reference model, that tells me that AIBs can stick to the same PCB design (to keep costs low) or make their own PCB.
@@RNG-999 AIBs absolutely make their own PCBs.
8:30 does dropping the screwdriver like that knockoff components?
It can squeal like a pig, Nvidia essentially being the GPU scalpers now means I'll be getting my first AMD GPU since they were called ATI. I'd rather pay a grand and get most of the performance, then shell out more and condone the gouging.
I'm so old it still sounds weird to call the cards AMD and not ATI.
Lol... Both are gouging, it's just Nvidia are doing so slightly more than AMD. It's not really condoning gouging, buy buying an AMD GPU, when AMD are doing exactly the same. It's like saying I support Stalin over Hitler in World War 2, because Stalin committed slightly less atrocities. Sorry, but both where evil dictators at the end of the day, who commited genocide and killed millions of innocent civilians in thier wake.
If you really want to see an end to gouging then don't buy anything (at least yet) from either company. If both companies struggle to sell those cards, then they'll both will have no other choice but lower down their prices, until they do start to sell in reasonable numbers. Which in turn will hopefully result in a downward spiraling pricing war between the two companies, that will eventually end at a point where people are then willing to pay those far more reasonable and reduced prices for thier GPU's. It also teaches both of them a major lesson on not trying to rip customers off in the first place and that ultimately it's always the customers that dictates a products actual value.
@@Gatorade69 I just call them ATI anyway and police still didn't knock on my door :))
We'll see if they actually have stock tomorrow.
@@Apollo-Computers Yep! So far I’m pretty confident In the card since it’s lived up to what it’s been stated to be capable of and is arguably better than the 4080 in the aspects that matter the most.
Is there any information on when the partner AMD cards are coming out?
I think tomorrow
I wish the reference cards were better, I really like the look.
@@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature I mean, while it's no Nitro+, they are hardly bad. So, if you don't mind sacrificing a few degrees, it's not exactly the worst buy. It's not like you're buying the old NVidia blower designs.
@@ShroudedWolf51 i also heard about a coil whine and power draw problems on these reference cards. I would rather pay a small premium for better partner cards to avoid these problems.
@@spasojebrboric9432 you can get coil whine on any gpu
I miss the external vent cards. Used to have 2 140mm fans blowing up from the bottom of my case right into the card that ten exhausted outside the case. Then I would have the front fans also blowing forward and the graphics card size would kinda create a natural block where half the front fans just blew into the upper part of the case and either out the rear fan behind the cpu or up and out the top fans.
It just wasn't verry efficient for todays cards, you get more airflow out over the fins as they are now with side extraction, compared to the smaller space it has to exhaust from over the fins out the back
@@exoticspeedefy7916 I think with the ability to move where actual pci-e cards go in a case with cabling they should just redesign cases so the cards have their own section of the case. Kind of what they did with power supplies
Side fans on cases.
No GPU has been as cool as it was in my HAF-X. RIP trends that were actually useful.
@@blue-steel7177 I was thinking the verry same thing, the card exhausts out both sides so all the hot air is going to the motherboard and NVME drive. Except you need to use a riser cable and those can limit performance.. There is an open air like case called Antec Striker that allows the GPU to be mount at the front of the case, with exhaust flow directly out the sides of the GPU with nothing restricting it, keeping it away from the AIO and board. Shame the case in ITX though.. that case is a good example of what is ideal for GPU thermals and no front fans needed
The backplate being bare notwithstanding, would it be possible to add thermal pads to it as a quick and easy user mod/add-on to aid thermals?
Looks like it.
4:40 If I can make a suggestion - there are plastic calipers on the market. With them you can measure the components without any sort of risk for damaging the product.
I used this as a teardown guide! My 7900 XTX is one of the defective ones. And my friend's isn't. He opted to liquid cool his. So I swapped our coolers (: Junction temp on mine now after about 30 minutes of Returnal on Epic settings 1440p/165Hz went down from 112 to 92. And it's MUCH quieter.
Thank you for tearing into the fan hub also! I want to mod mine when I get mine by painting it so it's nice to see before I buy it.
Just watched(again) your tear down of the 7900 xtx. Since I got my waterblock from EKWB today. Thanks for the teardown it was helpful. You will be happy to know that EKWB's backplate uses thermal pads to use the backplate as a heatsink.
Do you need to replace the thermal putty on the VRAM when you repaste this card ? I can't find any info on wether it is reusable or not online.
what if we add some thermal pads to the backplate? It should probably help a bit right?
yes, as long as you get placement and thicknesses correct.
Excited to see you review/breakdown the nitro+ from sapphire, always love their cards, excited to get my hands on one and see how it performs, at just 100 more usd retail than reference too
19:21 I wish gaming laptops would start to receive aftermarket attention and get such giant coolers to enable gaming laptops upgrades and tuning.
This relies on gaming laptop manufacturers to build them accordingly so that the GPU and CPU are much closer to the desktop versions in terms of construction and components used.
99% of us gaming laptop users aren't using them on planes or trains or during a commute, but are using them at home then at the hotel and ten at another hotel, plugged in. So we don't care much about the form factor, as the laptop will be taken with a backpack or inside the luggage. Having a thick cooling area protuding won't be an issue quite a benefit because as it is right now, gaming laptops are recommended to have the rear suspended for better airflow.
And as usage, with the stock cooling the laptop to be using similar level of performance as current gaming laptops offer (or future development), but when you plug in an aftermarket serious large cooling like at the caption time, to open up a boost menu and really unlock the potential, with clock speeds etc..
Obrigado!
I have some PTM7950 coming for my Red Devil 7900XTX but I wasn't sure if I'd got a large enough sheet. I thought, "now who would have the measurements I need?" And here we are. What a guy. Best tech channel 12/10
"no worranty sticker on any of this screws, good job!"
AMD: "OH SHIT WE FORGOT THOSE!!!"
Could be interesting to see if thermals improve slightly with the backplate off. But it's probably not THAT worth it
I'd rather spend few $ and add some thermal pads under it (and over inductors if there is enough spacing) then remove it completely.
@@gorky_vk Yeah sure, maybe. But maybe it all doesn't matter to much anyways. That's why testing it could be interesting
@@gorky_vk Trust me, thermal pads won't help much if there isn't strong and direct airflow on them, because the metal surface of the back plate will simply absorb the heat really fast, especially if the card is running something with 100% GPU usage, you are looking at the back plate being fully saturated with heat within the first 15 mins or so which then, because it is heated as acts against acquiring more heat, at least to a lower rate.
Removing the back plate and have two fans to pull the air from it is gonna do waaaaaay more than bottlenecking the thermal transfer rate with thermal pads and the back plate acting as heatsink, its thermal capacity is low anyway.
@@georgeindestructible Removing the backplate truly way better, but it also makes it look very ugly.
@@georgeindestructiblePost the proof if you have it
Which thickness Gelid Extreme thermal pads should be used on VRAM and VRM?
Would be cool to add one section of the video to show shroud only removal for cleaning the fins and fans!
Thanks for the great work, and also on the "light table". Looks well~
1. Is it just me or does the PBC looks kind of bent?
2. The fans don't seem to have individual plugs. Does that mean you have to choose between soldering wires or replacing all 3 fans when one breaks?
Nice! Love teardows and technical analisys and deep-dives. Thanks for sharing!
When Gamers Nexus says "It's been done before" it's a compliment because it was said instead of phrases like "catches on fire", "explodes" and *face of disbelief against incompetence* :D
GN seems so disappointed though lol "drats its just boring, no fires or explosions"
@@penteractgaming No 4090 has caught fire.
Steve, let me tell you a story about screws. If you think its easy to strip out those screws, you haven't changed brake rotors on a honda. At first glance, the rotor is screwed in using 2 phillips screws. Firstly, WHY, when the lugnuts and eventually, rust, hold the rotor in place. Second, they aren't phillips screws even though they look like it, in fact, they are JIS (japanese industry standard) screws. Not a single other screw in the entire car uses this style if "phillips" screw. Not only does the screw eventually corrode and rust to the rotor itself, making it literally impossible to take out (even with an impact), it is super easy to strip it by not having a japanese screw driver! WHY! The only solution for me was to literally hammer the bit with a regular phillips impact bit while also spraying it with rust remover. After about 15 minutes per screw per wheel...they came out. Funny enough, they are also called "CrossPoint" screws.
4:34 "slots" is much more useful measurement when talking about VGA thickness. Even better than mm.
that screwdriver poking the card after every screw coming off just kills me inside a little
8:12 watching steve removing PCB screws gave me anxiety lol, the way he carelessly hits and scratches the board, that's how I tear a trace before lol, now I put my fingers at the screw driver tip to avoid it from flying off
I've been looking forward to this video. Thanks Steve!
I am so damn impressed by GN/Steve, his breadth of knowledge, and how thorough and professional he is. Not to mention, entertaining AF. I love this channel. I’m not even a gamer. I just so enjoy learning about the tech. I also like feeling stupid for being a proud owner of a 4080. Ha! Yup, I’m that guy. Thanks, Steve and GN.
I mean, not trying to purposefully be mean, but if you aren't a gamer why bother spending thousands for a 4080? There are much better rendering cards out there. What you're telling me is you're identical to those girls who buy lense-less glasses frames, and then call themselves gamers? I mean yeah, I guess let your freak flag fly if you're proud to be a poser.
@@BasedEMT1776 my computer is a workstation and it’s a business expense. I work from home and enjoy what I do. I was a WildLand firefighter for years and am now retired. I left the workforce, taught myself how to edit video, work in blender etc. I have no boss, no gods and no masters. I have a beautiful (to me) partner and no one that I feel the need to impress. Im not a gamer, I said. I enjoy educating myself and have the time to do so. I work hard, and I own everything I do. Don’t worry, you cannot hurt my feelings. Do your worst, little one.
@@BasedEMT1776 Are you an actually an EMT, a first responder? If I am being disrespected by a fellow first responder, that’s disappointing. Grow some self respect.
Steve is great, the only tech reviewer aside from a few others that you can reliably trust to give an unbiased review. Not to mention the shear amount of Data they can collect for their reviews instead of a couple bar graphs. Really gives perspective to potential buyers and I love that.
@@kimjongpoontv69 Agreed.
I was interested in one of your mod mats however it doesn't seem like you even use it, you only used it for screw storage and not tear down, also no wrist strap? I'm confused I thought this was a very helpful tool but it looks like it's just a soft pad to set down your screws?
Sick lighting bro 🔥
I would be curious to see you rebuild the card to see what you'd do to get better thermals.
Wouldn't look out of place in a museum.
THERMAL TEST please Steve: (pretty please consider) Every time I see this cooler layout, I feel that it would work better if the rear edge (mobo side) was just sealed off.
1/2 of the exhausted air is hitting the motherboard and with nowhere else to go is being fed straight back into the cooler (compounding) every time.
The drawbacks seem obvious; but with no recycling of exhausted air (in a conventional top exhaust case) it would be interesting to see how this effects temperature and noise. I feel like it may be louder but also cooler.
cool to see the illuminated table used like this
Thank you. Without this kind of video, companies would never bother to improve this part of graphic cards.
good content and information. much thanks to you and the team Steve
i saw a neat trick yesterday to get stripped screws out of holes. baking soda + superglue. add baking soda to the hole, make new indent with driver, add superglue.. dries in like 3 seconds or less rock solid.
I... Wouldn't want baking soda near my sensitive electronic.... That said I wouldn't want a drill there either so....
Thank you for the honest and unbiased review of these cards.
I'll skip channel nanes, but many reviewers have a very pessimistic tone, and they genuinely seem to be shocked when on avg it's on par or better than what AMD had publicly stated.
Of course everyone wanted to see these cards stomp Nvidia, but it seems like they only want that to drive the price of the Nvidia equivalent part down... Never really calling out the innovation and great engineering when it's staring at them. THE FIRST CONSUMER CHIPLET-BASED GPU... This sound incredible to me that it's in the realm of the much bigger die, on a smaller process node (4NE).
It's a good buy vs the 4080, although largely because the 4080 is overpriced.
That table is great for this! Thanks for the video!
Damn, you scraping that screwdriver across it when you removed those second set of screws made me grit my teeth.
the studio lighting is awesome!
can u make a toturial if is possible to fix the juntion temps in any away like replacing thermal pads or someting? that will be a damn interesting video, fixing AMD mess
Hey Steve, can we get a throwback video of this card being Frankensteined with an AIO and use MPT Tool to overclock the hell out of this card? I always missed those videos to see the wacky potential of overclocking.
I'll never forget the Vega 56 being nearly on par with the 2070 with 400+ watts. 😂
With all the two+ slot designs, I just wondered if current top of the line cards are in any way limited by PCIe bandwith and therefore could benefit from using that thickness by actually populating two slots for double the bandwith? 🤔 Perhaps with older PCIe spec mobos?
it was called SLI it was a bad idea and just died.
@@hugosoucy1115No. I'm obviously not talking about two GPUs...
Doubt bandwidth is any issue - PCIe 3.0 x8/x16 vs PCIe 4.0 x16 were pretty negligible on 3080's release apart from 1080p
Where do you get a second slot with PCIe4 x16 fully populated? Consumer boards may have a second x16 slot, but this slot is usually electrically x4 and depending on the chipset only PCIe3. And the data has to go thorugh the chipset to the CPU.
If you want to have two full x16 slots, you would have to go Threadripper or Xeon. And then you also have to deal with mechanical problems, e.g. the slots sitting at the right places.
No that's not how it works. Also having multiple PCI-E connection would present tons of technical challenges.
Also also,PCI-E Gen 5 is already way ahead of all current GPUs and the spec will continue outpacing their needs.
its just me or the 7900xtx and 7900xt has no thermal pads on the back? while nvidia does have on each vram (the back side...that doesn't even have vram chips but still has thermal pads)
if xt doesn't have it either...maybe i might consider adding some... specially on the v-ram and probably capacitors too
Der8auer did a cut out of vapor chamber, I guess that there maybe a problem with improper fluid level in vapor chamber
The lighting on the set looks good guys.
Hi, can you suggest based on your vision, if 7900 xtx will have the same price with 4080 gygabite oc, what you will prefeare to buy? Will amd be Open their potential with new drivers or fsr 3, or with Unreal engine 5? Thank you
Can't decide if I like the light table or not. It's a cool idea regardless. How do you like working in the dark?
The back and the mid plate are metal, but what about the front fan shroud?
Can we talk about a smaller (normal size) card performing on almost equal footing to the monster 4080?
That PCB looks a lot like the Vega FE PCB. I forget I think that angled connector spot was used for fans or a liquid cooler on the Liquid version.
We need a test with thermal pads added to the backplate!! :D
Bought one Yesterday...I hope they didn't put warranty seals. I want to put thermal pads on backplate...at least
I got the XFX Reference model and there IS a warranty void if removed sticker on one of the backplate screws. Also, the red paint on my fins isn't all that great. It doesn't look well done and go down the fins like Steve pointed out on one of his reference cards.
Here's a novel idea: what about exhausting outside the case? I'm waiting for a blower design.
I'd also like one. Sadly those seem to have gone out of style.
How thick of a thermal pad should I buy? I have the same reference card and I need to maintain it. I would be happy if you help. My English is not very good so I couldn't understand the video
If Nvidia is using glue, and Intel is using double-sided tape, maybe AMD should use JB weld.
This Tear down is going to be useful for anyone that does go for the new Streacom SG10 fanless Towercase
Would you be checking the vapour chamber issues currently making its rounds around the UA-cam’s? Similar to what you did for the NVidia connector?
Great video. Thanks for always doing these.
Do you have a video about the lit desk? I can think of a zillion ways that would be a super useful tool to have.
well you are in the right place to test the overclocking abilities of the card.
Really miss colored gpu pcb's. Red and purple and some blue. Looked really good back in the day.
Just want to spread the message: I own a 7900xtx reference and at 4k the temps jump to 110c at 100% fan speed and the temps stay there.
After looking around this problem is more then common. Reddit is full with complaints(and people claiming its normal) and my local tech site has also plenty of complaints.
im ill and this is gonna make my day so much better :D
Cant believe it took a week to make this video just because a stupid wire harness, your dedication to the craft is admirable GN team.
Starting to wonder if I too should get a tube of thermal putty
I love love love the reference design of the cards!!
Ty for measuring the fans :) important info for us who intend to fan swap if possible
Any info on 7900xt and xtx backplate clearence? (For installing thermal pads on the back of the ram)
The red marks on the back plate remind me of oiling ports on old industrial machinery.
Nice teardown...do you think they used enough screws? At least it's well constructed!
@19:45 Gotta come back for my Neature Walk jokes
tyi this card is not compatible on the Asus X570 Crosshair Impact. The Backplate interferes with the Vrm cooler of the Board. i had to remove the backplate to fit the card in.
i like the design of this card; it'd be exceptionally easy to Hybrid cool.
it looks like it should be possible to remove the heatsink and shroud WITHOUT removing the baseplate. then just pop out the middle fan, slap on a waterblock, and put the shroud back on so the 2 fans left can cool the RAM/VRM.
The shroud looks good, but it doesn't seem great that it covers the end facing the front of the case where your intake air usually comes from.
Does the USB-C port work as a just a regular USB port, say like I plug a USB card reader in?
Yay. Working power connection :-)
Reasonable Card Size
Prices under 1k
Dont need RGB.
Now i want a hybrid version where you can plugin water but dont need to and this is my next card.
What's the thickness of the MOSFET thermal pads ?
Before watching, I'm hoping to learn whether there are more Xs hidden inside.
Good looking card. But I still prefer the previous 6900 design.
with the Coil whine from these Cards, its very clear that Padding the Inductors would reduce it Massively Wonderwhy they never did that.
it makes a HUGE difference with the EVGA and ASUS 30XX cards.