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As a player who started with Overdress, I agree. It makes zero sense hosting Overdress and Premium on the same day.
In my opinion running Overdress on its own day since it’s the “main” format and the most popular player wise is the sensible choice.
Then run Premium and V on a separate day. That makes the most sense to me personally. Each to their own of course. Either way, I agree with your points. Its a very odd decision and conclusion they came to. Don’t understand it much at all.
I really hope this game lives as long as the big 3, I fell in love with this tcg ever since it was born
I hope so too, I only started playing about a month ago but I love the game immensely
This is what I've been warning people about, Premium at this point is just a "courtesy format" for older players to hang around until V or D makes them move to different formats. Bushiroad doesn't realize that if they prevent people from playing the way they want, they will just move to a different game altogether. Now if you would excuse me... _boots up Master Duel...__
Bushiroad killing Buddyfight so Vanguard could work on cannibalizing itself
Standard and Weiss would NOT work on the same day. They are both the main categorised formats
OD and V should be correct on day 1.
WS and Prem should be day 2.
I just feel like people undervalue the weiss community a lot. If anything and there's just limited capacity in terms of events and it would make it worse tbh.
This would be ideal in my opinion, but I'm just stating what I see others saying as well.
This is false though, we've had Standard and WS on the same day before with Premium and BF on day 2. This was how the most recent BSF (pre pandemic) was executed. So now saying that Standard and Weiss won't work because they're both "main formats" makes 0 sense. In terms of online turnout (BSFO/BRO), Standard was 1 and I'm pretty sure WS was 4 so by all intents and purposes it makes sense both physically and online to have them on the same day.
@@gytiskrotu The difference is you didn't have 3 VG formats. Only 2. This is a completely different scenario. People either played vg or ws. People either played buddy or vg. This is completely different when you have the same game with different format.
Also since then the numbers for both VG and WS has shot up significantly over the course of the pandemic. The sales numbers and reprints needed for WS alone stands out for that reason.
Please do not try and justify putting your main formats into one day like this because it will just not go well. You're basing your decisions back off 3 years at this point. Its not the same kettle of fish as back then.
Online does not replicate into irl due to various circumstances of player access because of real life circumstances and trust issues that come with remote.
But then you run into the same problem as before only this time, instead of cucking Premium players out. You'll cucking V players
@@BlackKyurem5 based on the numbers the players that only play V + Prem is lower than Prem + Standard (this is accounting for those that play all 3 as well). So the loss will be significantly less
Having to choose really hurts. I love Overdress but im too invested in Premium
Petition to call Solemn the "Mean Man With The Beard"
I agree, 1000% V players mostly want no part of D so the turn outs for the tournaments are definitively separate. Premium needs its own Day for the long time players that enjoy vanguard as a whole. Day 1 should be for all players of vanguard to enjoy D or V because both pools will have a good mix of new and older players to enjoy each tournament.
I feel you bro!
I’ve been playing this game since the start of limit break and this is just killing me and my friends😭
Bushi wake the f*ck up!!!
I agree 100% with your opinion. The problem is that not everyone can see the chain of events and the catastrophic results for the game if nothing change to the bushiroads tournament structure, format and policy. There are many examples from other games, to take ideas of how the tournament format and competative scene is working, so that you can implement and adapt them to the games/community /company needs.
i bet the reasoning was "D players will be the least likely to have a premium deck but might have bought a V deck so will will put the most casual formats with the competitive ones" funny how bushi takes the advice of the guy that told me "D is the cheap casual format so who cares if the format is borked".
maybe they should hold the first four rounds of D standard on a friday afternoon and sell $5 TDs at the door so all the school kids can enter after school ends :P
"Mean man with the beard" spitting facts tho
I can just hope that the player base can make enough noise to make Bushi wake tf up and realize how much of a bad idea this is.
I hadn't even thought about the fact that PremColle is going to drop while this is going on. Terrible.
So the only reason I could see this as potentially beneficial is for the newest players to have a tournament experience that is more friendly to first time tournament goers, since the logic is the more hardcore players will play premium. I think this would have turned out a little different had this been singles instead of teams, because I think the network effects are the worst on this, but I don't know if this really will do a ton of damage since it is spring fest. My bet is that more people have decks for the other two formats than have a premium deck, so in theory it's also the hardest one to build a team for, and this is why it was likely split up this way. I was hoping to play both premium and standard, but I kinda understand the logic in a team format as to why it's being organized this way.
As someone who plays both Vanguard and Weiss I personally prefer this schedule, but that being said effectively running 4 different events in 2 days has always been a massive issue with bushiroad
As a SEA region player,kinda already left VG for the OCG back in 2018 due to the reboot,and stayed as a casual throughout V/OD.
If things turned out with OD and V on the same day with Premium on day 2, day 2 would be explosive with players. Like the previous events.
It's like Bushiroad has a track record of making Bad Decisions. What a shock~
I don't agree with the notion that Overdress and V are similar enough to be the same Day. V and Overdress use completely different card pools that can't interact with each other. Not to mention V is the only format without overtriggers.
I think this schedule was done because of you're a Overdress or V player only and want to try 2 formats to play on both days, those are the formats you'll try because the ceiling isn't as high as it is in Premium. Even if V format doesn't get a banlist and we're stuck with Prism/Luard meta.
In saying that, I would prefer V and Premium on the same time like you said.
This is a great video that really hits all the key points. I'm one of deeply enfranchised players and this whole situation feels like a kick in the face. If Bushiroad decides to keep this setup going forward, I can see myself doing one of two things. Either I will stop buying and building D decks since I will not be playing the format much (I would much rather be playing premium), or I will feel insulted enough to stop supporting the game. If enough other players also have the same mindset, that is a going to be a huge loss for Bushiroad.
Honestly a system like the old mtg pro tour with 3 days would be great. Premium/v-premium & weiss on Friday, the other on Saturday, and d to close out on Sunday
Honestly my interest for Vanguard has dropped severely ever since Master Duel came out. I don't get the chance to play the physical card game that much because of the pandemic so I mostly play their digital versions. With how easy it is to build decks in Master Duel and Konami's uncharacteristically quick response to problems in the game and then going back to Zero with GameStudio doing everything in their power to make you pay for skins or buy gems is really demotivating. Then you get news like this of Bushiroad doing really questionable decisions, I just want them to do succeed but sometimes it's really hard to root for them.
It's always seemed to me that the 3 format problem is a big reason it would be hard to give vanguard the "master duel" treatment
It literally is the bicycle meme.... again
Having Premium and Overdress on day 1 officially fucked my team. Everyone in my group/locals prefers D/V over Premium but they play all 3 now at least. I however prefer Premium and will now have to find teammates or get forced into Overdress
well the policy has been to consistently push down and ignore premium for 3+ year until mori came in and makes it hopeful for about 1 year then it turns out he's just another scapegoat.
oh well master duel is the dream vanguard is not
All the vanguard reboots and the killing off of Buddyfight, Dragonborne and Luck&Logic doesn't help Bushiroad keep long term players either
I can't even bring myself to open CFA anymore. Reason: Master Duel
This is the worst mistake since Zazan
Wasn’t Nue Daioh a bigger issue than Zazan? At least they limited Zazan almost instantly.
I think I have a better solution - do bcs over 2 weekends which ever formats you choose they each get their own day to shine
This just means people go to only 1 of the 2 weekends.
i'm a player from Brazil, and TBH i just wanted vanguard to be released here or have a distributor in my country.
Sadly i think bushiroad don't give a damn about my country.
This works out pretty well for my group and I tbh. we started with V and continue into D. I don't wanna have to dig around for old staples from a format from years before I played the game. Nobody plays premium at any of the shops in driving distance to us. Probably the best choice for making sure the playerbase that largely expanded with V is able to do something on both days.
If they did it the way solemn wants my group and people like me would have legit nothing to do day 2. It ain't like the old guard don't have V premium decks. it's about accessibility for everyone overall rather than making it about venerating the old guard.
And besides, Springfest is a fuck about anyway, nobody goes to Japan or makes money. pick something to play and crack on.
I feel the same way
They need to merge the format, i know many card will get power creep, but i think one format for one game is the best.
The logic behind this choice is apparently Weiss and Standard have to be on different days since they are the pushed games, then Premium has the fewest number of players among the three so they put it on the same day as standard. While I haven't heard why not pair Prem and Weiss, I assume it's maybe so there's more appeal to VG players so the event is primarily divided into a VG day and Weiss day? Maybe it's to appeal to players who played V and switched to Standard?
I also don't know if it's influenced by JP community turn out either since Prem is smaller than it is overseas. If it is, we might get changes from outreach to the EN producer
I was really surprised when a lot of the people I knew were hopping to Digimon, but what was ironic is that I wasn't even playing Vanguard at the time, just because of the lack of good IRL events and interaction with people. I love this game, but hope they can balance this out, even I know that V-prem is a watered down D despite barely playing it.
there have been a few opinions we dont see eye to eye on in previous vidoes... and dont ask cause i dont completely remember, but in this case... i 100% agree with you... this sounds like it could domino into chaos
Vanguards biggest mistake IMO happened when they rebooted the first time
You just had to add salt to my painful memories.
I quit Vanguard on the first reboot... and then they rebooted a 2nd time. I don't think I made a mistake.
@@DizY_8 well thats your choise. I just like how simple Vanguard is so :D
@@vojtechslezak4553 ... and that's cool I guess? You do you.
@@DizY_8 If it wasn't a mistake then why did it make you quit?
Damn just when I got my hands on a prem deck. I gotta choose between 2 formats on day one. That’s hot garbage
Like the enthusiasm and passion in this video. Let's not forget that bushiroad is going to be adding Shadowverse, so that will be fun to try to figure out.
Overdress currently is boring
Premium needs more Strides e G-guardians
Vmium is the same top decks and every "rouge" is a fun alternative
I admit I was confused till
You explained it in this video, and you brought up very good points and you explained it very well
I do hope and believe Bushiroad would listern this video
Especially as shown in this video you truly care for the health of the game and the formats
bushiroad failed Geography 101.
Latin/North America =
"AND I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN
WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW I'M FREE"
Also, their biggest mistake was the raise in the MSRP.
Honestly, there's no real solution, I think everything went wrong when they decided to split formats. V could be handled after G, without reboot or they could have just introduced the gift mechanic without the need of a whole new format. D is being the format that V should have been in the beginning but failed miserably and now they tried to clean their shit with a 3rd format, which made everything worse. I enjoy V ngl, but when it comes to hype and gameplan, I clearly prefer D cause it's always something new. I also wish that they cared more about premium, there's soo much stuff that they could bring back with, they can bring old decks back with decent support or reprints with a more reasonable power scale. I dunno, sometimes i think Bushiroad is just like "fuck it, let them kill each others".
The hype side of things is somewhat unfortunate. I often see those who don’t care about Collabs & LM sets be so vocal about their diastase that it makes those who do care less inclined to talk about them. It’s often to the extent of trashing them before during and after reveals.
Part of it for sure is due to a lack of faith in their competitive viability. But it often just feels like you’re not allowed to be hype.
It’s super disheartening for a set you’re hyped for be trashed simply because it’s a collab set. And LM? Almost every reveal is rife with “complaints” about it not being a real set.
I agree, having standard and V on one day and then Premium on the other would be the best solution. That way you have your longest term players having both options to play while the newer ones can pick which one they want, if they liked to play V then great, if they missed it then cool.
That said, I wonder if it was more like this: Premium players more likely to have V-decks vs purely standard players, where as most standard players would likely not have premium, but may have V-era decks. If you're a premium player that hates V, you're SOL. In short, yes, it short changes the premium players, but serves the most recent ones more greatly. I totally agree in terms of the overall value in a competitive game. But Bushi, with their consistent lack of trying to make the game competitive (no best of 3s, lack of any possibility of pro play, etc) it's a clear statement that that's not their primary goal. And from Day 1, it's been that way. Remember, Buddyfight was their "competitive" game. And with it dead, they have all the justification they need to not make it a priority.
And lets be honest. They know that Premium players are already bought in. They stuck around through 2 reboots. So they'll buy the newer cards even if they don't get to play standard anyway. They want the most metrics, not the best tournament scene. Premium players still have their V decks to play on day 2, and V players likely have a standard deck, but not a premium, so they'll do two days. Who cares if the tournament scene is garbage if you can report back to the office how successful your new format is.
Edit: The "Best" solution would be to eliminate V-Era as a format since it's stagnant anyway and does not have a large enough card pool to be supported just through small updates each year, where as Premium has a significantly larger pool. You could still add V-era focused boosters to capitalize on those cards specifically, but premium is mostly V-era+ anyway. I felt this was going to happen eventually, they just didn't want people who played V-era to have their decks blanked and angrily reject Overdress. But really, in the last couple of years since D-era, you gonna tell me the format has changed much?
I don't agree with you about some things but this is what I agree with you on dude!! My gosh what is Bushiroad thinking??? We can't play the OG cards like we want to anymore it's gonna alienate us OG fans that made Vanguard what it is today! It's sad because my favorite is OG and G Era and V Series is fun too but....this is gonna cause people to quit! Very upsetting and how Bushiroad refuses to give us a REAL Vanguard video game with ALL of the sets like Yugioh Legacy of the Duelist Link Evolution does very well if Bushiroad made a Vanguard game like that then I would get it! But Bushiroad for some reason refuses to do it!
I am honestly a little confused as to why there had to be a V Premium format to begin with. But this has already been discuessed into the ground I am sure. Premium and Standard should have been on separate days. That i wont disagree with.
I definitely agree that premium needs its own day separate from V and D. I'm a long time premium player and it feels like Bushi is shafting the format. I'd like to get to play D and Premium at spring fest and I have little interest in V. I wonder if it would be possible to petition Bushi to rearrange the schedule? If you're going to petition them or something and need some help you can count me in. We've talked on Discord before during BRO premium about Granblue. I was the guy that got 9th. Feel free to reach out.
4.5 minutes in Solemn explains that the greatest amount of players are in D & V. So yes, they should split those two apart in two days so they get the most Vanguard players in the convention. Then they need to pair Weiss away from the biggest Vanguard format, so the scheduling was actually done perfectly.
Can i use cutire in non highlander bermuda decks?
Lol I've been waiting on this video to be made since your twitch stream when we talked about this. In fact, I think I asked this EXACT question
What is vanguard "v"? Overdress = newest, standard = modern, premium = legacy ...right?
No, you can't compare it that way. MTG is wayyyyyy older than VG.
Premium is modern. V is like.. if standard had an extra year.
This may sound really stupid but I dont see a reason why they can’t just split it between two weekends, have v premium and premium on one weekend then weis and standard on the other - this would be such a paradise situation, and I know its probably extremely expensive to hold a venue for a week rather than a weekend, but they could have stuff running in the week to raise funding maybe such as pay-to-enter mini tournaments, or maybe they could even increase the price of the boosters to pay for this or set up a donation page to fund this because I guarantee you almost every veteran player would donate the shit out of this to protect their format. Your allowed to be mad solemn, this sucks.
Weiss and Standard should be on the same day.
Question, this is coming from someone who only went to 1 springfest. Depending on how long they have the venue, couldnt they just separate them by time? Like if they have 10 hourse, 5 for 1 format 5 for the other. Would this maybe work!
Bushiroad is trying to kill Premium tbh. I'm not a big fan of Premium and only play V-Premium but even I know when some crap is up. Bushiroad could've had D and V on the same day and have Premium on its own day. This way the newer players and some what older players can play D and V while the vets can play Premium on its own day. This is straight BS. They're not even making much of an effort in fixing V-Premium either and so from what it seems, Bushiroad is either trying to kill V-Premium and/or Premium which is just not fair. I agree 100% with Solemn.
PS: I even remember Bushiroad saying that CFV was meant to be a "Casual" game and yet there's competitive players in this game and they don't want to see that.
Off topic but I was so hyped for the online game on steam then it was dead. I hope they try again and can get something like master duel.
I've been invested more in Premium than V.
I've build Premium decks in hopes events would come back and figured it would be been day 2.
Now I just wasted money building Premium and gotta build a brand new deck just to play day 2.
Thanks Bushi.
Solemn the lone premium warrior.
Its also interesting that they used 3 weekend for the 3 formats of just vanguard and now they want to cramp 3 formats and an other game in 1 weekend? Hmmm sussy
This one really spoke into my soul...!
Long story short, being the old player and being forced to choose between a newer format and a legacy format IS a problem.
I have been playing way too much master duel I had forgotten about vanguard :O
I see 2 main reasons and a possible eeason why Bushi did it this way. 1st they know v won't be played by much if it has to compete against an other format. 2nd is to push V Clan Collection Sales. Maybe 3rd is a venue thing. D and WS on the same day could mean too many players on one day, especially with covid regulations some european countries still have.
i can tolerate the fear of covid when we held D and Weiss at the same day
Hence the most optimal lineup would be V series and D at the same day. I mean....they also couldn't afford to not promoting Premium Collections...and V clan collection doesn't shake the meta a lot (Doesn't see any banlist yet). It's really wierd if they're trying to promote V clan collection if they didn't release any banlist about luard, gavrail, bermuda.
That aside, all of your reasoning are well thought from bushiroad prespective and prolly that's what they think.
Also, V series support does very well in premium, even clan collection. So like what maxime said, Premium player would also play on day 1 V series because all you need was just remove the G zone...right?
I already dislike playing standard in general so if this causes premium as a format to die down well I guess I'll have to make my exit.
It's so sad they didn't make a good decision when it comes to this when they know how much we like the premium format
I heard that Bushiroad is sanctified my gaymer in christ
Vanguard has 2 active formats actualy, V Premium and D Standard.
This formats have the support of Bushiroad, because is releasing products now.
Then, V Premium is a format that it is very possible that new players who have entered to vanguard thanks to Overdress, can play it. Because Bushiroad is printing products like the Clan collections.
On the other hand, Premium is very difficult for new people to have access to many cards necessary to play it well.
So, in my opinion, premium and D standard on the same day, and leaving V Premium for sunday, is the best option to have the most posible people in every tournament.
New players can play D an V, and eternal players can play Premium and V. For me this is perfect
Your comment starts with a lie.
I have a question how do I register for springfest do I just go with my team on the day of the tournament and pay the entry fee or do I have to register beforehand
I quit vanguard after they introduced V format , then no ppl play premium. After that I hear a new format is out. Wow..
Maybe they looked at BRO numbers to decide this? Didn't V have more entrants that P? I don't agree with it but that's the only reasoning I can see for this decision lol. Can't wait for a 2 deck format getting its own day...
I do agree with Premium and oD on the same day being a questionable, and bad idea. both standards being that same day or standard and wiess does make more sense
No Standard and Weiss being on same day does not make more sense. They are the primary formats that bushi want to promote. The weiss playerbase isn't as little as people think and this seriously undermines the weiss community in actual numbers.
I'm just exhausted of Standard in general
This may be a unpopular opinion but if they want to do it this way don't do team league that way people people can choose and play the format they want
Yeah I started with overdress
As a SEA player, i have a question. Does EU having manpower problem (capable judge) to an extent that they need to combine Premium and D on the same day? I do feel like this is a lack of personnel thing but again i nvr been to EU so I might be wrong.
But for real tho I feel like Bushiroad wants to move on from Premium ASAP, at least their action seems to imply that. They might not admit it but it seems their game design team is at their limit.
It’s not a lack of personnel problem.
I thought this was a vanguard rant cod vanguard
Meanwhile, since Covid still a thing in Indonesia, we did not get it..
Well looking forward to future winning deck 👍
Feels bad man watching solemn have to deal with this shit again
so BSF is a 1 day event this year?
Somebody was getting shafted no matter what.
It's literally the format with the lowest barrier of entry paired with the format with the highest barrier of entry.
Also this allows Bushi to push Weiss more from a business perspective. But if I was a vanguard only player then yeah I'd be upset because if I loved vanguard and only played vanguard I would want to play standard and premium.
I do think premium being a small and competitive tournament is totally fine and even preferred as long as bushi doesn't use low attendance as a reason to get rid of the format which I highly doubt.
Vanguard and Weiss being different players isn't entirely true and this just allows Bushi to target as many players as possible. For me locally we play a majority of bushi card games and that includes Weiss and vg.
To summarize I feel vanguard only players got shafted but players that play both games got the win. And bushi simply cares more about helping the latter than the former
Idk putting the most popular and least popular format together kind of makes sense. I'm not going to say you're fear mongering but BRO, as well as other events worldwide were a pretty clear indicator as to which formats are the most popular. I prefer premium WAYYYYYY more than I do overdress but the reality is that newer players don't. Premium being so much more expensive doesn't help the format either, and with no stride reprints in the foreseeable future, a lot of newer players will continue to look at premium and tell themselves "maybe later"
inb4 springfest gets cancelled bc of covid anyway
completely agree with you on this, i thought considering how big the game has become over the past few years especially with the introduction of overdress they would do it the same way they did bsfo, have premium and v on week 1 and standard and weiss on week 2, honestly a simple fix to things, then again I cannot say how feasible it would be considering location expenditure and other variables, this honestly seems like the best fix but if they can't implement this I do wish they decide to give overdress its own day and a choice between v and premium
bushiroad really shooting themselves in a foot
nahh man at least shooting yourself in the foot is quick, this is them rubbing blood all over their leg and dipping it in a shark tank, gonna be bad for a long time
The only justification I could see them giving for this is that "If premium and Overdress are different days, the OverTrigger could be a deciding factor on both days, thereby lowering the competitive integrity of the game" But then the solution isn't this split... it's to ban OT
OD and Premium are on opposite ends of card pool requirements and competitiveness, so they probably based it on that thinking more OD players might own V decks since premium is almost V with a gzone.
@@windwaker0rules i mean, the same goes for premium player would most likely own V series deck, since they just need to remove G zone and replace old card
While OD player and V was wierd since they're not guaranteed factor that people who show up brings Competitive V deck as well.
@@michaelkaito1399 a premium player is least likely in theory to have a good OD deck. thats the deciding factor in theory.
but who knows maybe this was decided by the admin assistant based on previous entry numbers in excel.
@@windwaker0rules That's true, hence why they should run OD and V series on the same day. It solves the problem also right?
Oh, if they said that OD player would most likely own V deck, then i wpuld say that Premium player Literally just scrap their G zone and replace few cards to enter.
Note that Premium players are also V clan collection consumers
Maybe yes, they could say premium was too expensive, for some old cards... hence they just put cheap and expensive format at the same day....well I can't argue with that, even if they printed many old card in previous revival collection
At this point I would think that they are intentionally trying to end Premium format, which is the worst decision ever
They aren't, don't worry about that
I agree 1000%, for me I will think again about it if I should play BCS, because this Choice sucks. I love Standard and Premium, and for me V in the current state is a Format i dont enjoy and for the Format sucks
Maaaann this is wack… Long time player basically only play Premium but D looks like its getting fun so I wanted to start trying it. But now there is no reason for me to do that. I basically quit during V so I’ll probably never touch that format tbh. Didn’t consider this split of events being a possibility either cause it makes the least sense…
They clearly wanted OTs to all be on one day… that’s the only logic I see here (tongue in cheek). Otherwise, I completely agree that D and pre should’ve been on different days. 🤦🏼♂️
Looking to buy a kaguya Weiss deck, hmu if you have one 🙃
bt05 should get the hype back tho
Premium should be the main format.
I don't understand why Bushi likes to self sabotage themselves, how is it one day they'll show a clip of themselves showing a graph of how well OD is doing, but then make bad decisions like this. It makes zero sense, unless it's to literally try and kill premium as a format, these people should not have any excuses for shit like this.
Watch as players get scrambled once again as prizes are announced.
Wow that's crazy. I think this is the only physical event I've ever not been upset for not participating. Hopefully this gets through to bushi and they actually fix this.
Might want to tweet your thoughts to the eng producer of vg??
Also I really think your first option or the option you think the company most likely to make doesn't make sense, I even surprise you didn't even mention the big elephant in the room (covid restrictions), I agree 100% with your opinion, but from what I see in the social media and asking around, d and weiss on a same day is a nightmare or impossible if venue can't run on 100% capacity (idk how true is this, but this is a statement that a lot of people have said), so I thought your second option with d with v, is the best compromise between still in the limit of probable venue regulations (especially in Europe) and the longevity if community, so idk if the conclusion of them reaching to put d and premium on the same day because venue regulations plus not seeing the ramifications, or maybe they have a different agenda, so yeah it's sad that both format need to be sacrifice like this, on another note (can't they do this on different weekend??) Or it's put strain in the logistic side of things, idk I'm new to the whole competitive event.-.
European Weiss events are usually like 20 people.... Germany being the max with maybe 100?
This is not a venue regulation thing.
Bushiroad show the leak of thinking worldwide vs what popular in japan for the choice for spring fest. Premium events aren't big in japan. So put them with overdress formate. I hate seeing this. I was happy when v and premium were different days the first time around after first reboot. But this is just bad for game
I know you said don’t leave a comment since you want an echo chamber in the comment section but I’m gonna say this anyways. You need to look at Vanguard as a casual game. Every decision by bushiroad jp is to keep things as casual as possible, otherwise why would they keep dumbing down the game and releasing heavy RNG like overtriggers. Maybe in the west, you need to appeal to loyal sweaty customers to stay alive, but in JP, they need keep the game as not-sweaty as possible.
Let’s be real, Bushi will never die because they have nice looking shiny waifu cards. If the game was gonna die for any of your aforementioned reasons, they would have died a long time ago. Ppl will leave and come straight back to the game because of nostalgia or waifu artwork. There is no reason for them to change their strategy and become like Yugioh and appeal to a more sweaty audience.
Having the 2 more casual formats split makes sense from a business standpoint because you wanna appeal to the casual audience more. I would say majority of JP players never touch premium, and honestly majority of US players also don’t touch premium, but ofc the players we do hear about, big names, do play it. Covid happened before V ended, and as far as my locals went before lockdown, everyone was playing V. If you wanna get people who likely hasnt bought any vanguard cards in 2 years to get back in, you want them to 1) buy a D deck and 2) bring their old V deck with a few updated cards.
I get where your frustration comes from, but Bushi will never change because they are a Japanese company first. You have to realize that on a scale of 1 to 10 as far as casual vs serious, you are about an 11. Of course all these things don’t make sense to you, and my suggestion is that you accept Vanguard is Vanguard, and Yugioh is Yugioh. I’ve been watching your Solemn Yugioh channel a lot more lately and I honestly feel like your content over there is way more fun and engaging. Focus on the things that make you happy in life, thats all.
No, I said don't leave a comment if you didn't watch the vid first.
Yes. I agree the way that the Bushiroad overlords implemented the system is incredibly dumb. They chose a blanket solution rather than a detailed one.
But I think how Bushiroad got to the solution might make a bit of sense in how the timeline of the games are.
Weiss Schwarz: It’s the oldest game of the bunch. The age of the game has been since 2008. For the most part, I have to agree with you on WS not mixing with VG players. But it’s definitely the exception at my locals since the majority switch to WS after VG ends, including myself.
Vanguard Premium: It’s the next oldest thing on the list and considering player’s age should be on a different date. OT is unlocked for the majority of decks, but you cannot run ride decks. I also know that Ultima is broken with Amartinoa (Sanctuary OT) and that’s definitely choice restricted by design.
Vanguard V Format: It’s the next oldest thing on the list and has been out for a bit less time. It’s definitely not Overdress Lite (As you have described), since there’s no ride deck and more importantly no OT allowed whereas premium has the OT available for most decks. For this reason alone do I prefer V format over D format. The game does not punish you for the OT problem, but it’s definitely punishing to not get your rides.
D Format is now their shiniest format in the game. I mostly don’t want to do anything with D, but I still play D because that’s the support that my locals give for Vanguard. And in my opinion, it’s the baby format for people that play Vanguard.
Given the age rankings for the games, the best solution for a blanket solution is ironically WS with V, and Premium with Standard. That’s my conclusion with how Bushiroad came up with the system. Given that the formats are 10 years apart from each other, I think Bushiroad was going for a generational gap between the players.
After Playing for 10 years bushiroad is making me not want to play anymore because they keep doing this every spring fest makes me want to sell all my stuff and play yugioh again
I have been with the game since 2012 and after that announcement Bushiroad just loves to disappoint the older fans. Its really sad to see how well other games and companies run events while Bushiroad just cares about the newest formats. Premium will always be my top format. That wont change, but its annoying that now ill be forced to choose playing in the first in person Overdress Springfest or play Premium. I hope Bushiroad starts taking in count their player base because its been showing from the failure of V that they don't do research.