25 Carnosaur vs 5000 Spearmen Warhammer 2 Total War
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Can you even imagine to be that poor guy in the front line?
"I-It's okay! I have anti-large!"
ua-cam.com/video/sX5ff7W7IQQ/v-deo.htmlm8s Did these guys have anti-large? >:C
The main fault is that they have no armour piercing
Can you imagine the guys in the BACK?
"It's ok... there's 5000 of us."
If you swap the elves with hard headed dwarves, anti-large + armor piercing.. Maybe the dwarves have a chance because the greatest advantage of the lizardmen is to cause fear and break havoc. Dwarves don't run, they don't surrender. They will be defeated, but at least 4 or 5 monsters will die
+Rafael Teles I am pretty sure the only dwarves with anti-large are slayers.
These spears... they do nothing...
they are better at smaller "large" units. to fight something this large you really have to use the halberd top tier units.
I was actually trying to quote Mcbain from simpsons The goggles they do nothing lol
you can see that the ai is poor in this game. Normaly the could do something about it and now they are waiting and do nothing..
What AI? Watch it again.
Er is GEEN AI
9:28 : carnosaur does its sync animation where it physically tires out, grabs, plays, and eats with an elf
Lizardmen be OP (In grand campaign). Being able to spawn an army of stegadons/bastilladons/carnos is craziness. Even if it cripples your income, you can easily make it up sacking your neighbors with the bulldozer you just spawned.
Not so much, if you don't deal with the dark elves in the north, you are fucked. Also, their map is too big for just one super army to dominate, lizardmen don't confederate or trade between them, other factions will surely jump ahead the vortex race, etc. So it's not that simple, in fact, the hardest campaign I had in the game thus far.
The feral army is actually pretty shit unless you focus on research for big beasties.
They spawn at rank 1, no range and by the time you can spawn them and effectively maintain them enemies have better stacks all over the place. They're only good at steamrolling small or weak forces.
Well, at turn +-35 you can already summon the monster army. I highly doubt any other army is more powerful at this early stage. And as the game progress, this original monster army only gets stronger. In 1v1, the lizardmen are basically invincible. They can lose against multiple elite pike units, but if you do the math, the other faction elites ended up more expensive than the monster army. The phoenix guard alone can't hold a carnosaur for example, you need two of them and they cost 1500 each, take eons to be recruited and they are not as versatile compared to the carnosaur (who costs only 100 more). All of the lizard monsters can act like cavalry and damage dealers, other monsters has range as well (and they also are cost effective). The only weakness of the lizardmen are the overall range, even in the magic department they have the strongest mage in the game, lol But against elite pikes and overwhelming numbers (in other words, 2v1), they can lose. As far as my experience with the game goes, the dark elves needs some tweaks in their campaign mechanics, not the lizards. In battle, they are fine, but the dark elves have some crazy shit like some weather nonsense, roads nonsense and vulnerability to chaos. Didn't played with the skaven yet.
You can get them at turn 35, sure - but they are financial cancer at that point. Lizardmen suffer the most financially since they lack any significant money making means. The actual anathema for lizardmen is ranged units. All their ranged infantry are outranged and out-ammoed by every other faction, their artillary (if you can call it that) consists of bastilladons who have such short range for artillary that they can usually get off one or two shots before the enemy close and stegadons(ancient) which feature a single ballista shot that has such low rate of fire that it loses all utility, like the solar engine.
Because of this Lizardmen armies are unable to turtle (due to enemies being able to pick them off from afar) and are too slow to be massively aggressive - so ambushing is their best option, which is ruined by the fact you cant hide the beasties.
Unlike other armies big monsters they lack any breath attacks also, coupled with the inability to fly, it means that once you engage you are more or less locked - withdrawing is a death sentence.
All an army needs to take out the beast army is ranged cavalry and it's useless.
Because they can all go frenzy, enemy can just lead them all over the place with cavalry and chip away with ranged units.
Human players can run rings around them and against AI, it just takes a few good stacks to gradually chip away - if you are in nagarond (which is most likely if you are playing as mazdamunde) you will never regenerate their health (unless sitting around for 15 turns seems like good use of your time).
In my experience they are best used as a panic button for when completing rituals to keep intervention forces and chaos forces at bay if your main army is too far off. Good for one or two tough battles sure, but just that. Bastilladons will go first, then stegadons, then you're left with about 5 carnasaurs which becomes a joke.
I can't talk for playing as Kroq-Gar though since I havn't tried him - I imagine he's easier as he's surrounded by habitable terrain.
It depends on what kind of shenanigans you had in the campaign. I played Mazdamundi twice, varying some mods here and there but nothing drastic, and funny enough.. I had the hardest campaign and also the easiest playing with the same faction. First time, the hardest, the neighbor dark elves constantly attacking the mirror pool settlement, the useless human ally could not survive on their own, the dark elves lead start to finish (hence why I restarted the campaign, I know the vortex system is broken, there is no "race"... but I lost the "race" and I gave up, lol). The best defensive strategy in this situation, dark elves winning north and skaven winning south, it's simply to dig in and ambush every mother fucker who approaches the ritual sites. It was a very entertaining campaign because the lore was well represented. In the warhammer universe only skaven and crazy dwarves dares to enter the jungle because it's fucking dangerous. No army can survive a lizardmen monster ambush, the own terrain is naturally dangerous (their defensive ritual is one of the best in the game). I "lost", but it was very fun. The second time the neighbor elves didn't bothered me and the human allie survive longer, it was super easy. Also, the lizard army is made to rush in, that's their only strategy. They have more hitpoints and armor just for that, you maybe play defensively in the campaign map, but in battle you have to rush like crazy. It was a pain in the ass to be annoyed by dark elves early, but when I summoned the monster army, it was satisfying to attack head on and see the damn archers running for their lifes. Mazdamundi is the best mage in the game and he rides a monster, every hero unit also has a monster, etc.. They are basically the orcs 2.0, their style is to steamroll people, not play "turtle". Also, range cavalry is ineffective because they can't damage units with super high armor values. Just like every other giant monster unit, the only way to stop them is with elite pikes + high morale. You can't even counter them using other monsters because the carnosaur has the anti-large ability, they are monster killers, lol A stelar dragon is like twice more expensive and even this unit can't stand a carnosaur 1v1 A human player can micro range cavalry to use all their ammo in a single monster, I highly doubt they will take even 35% damage, the other player can also micro the monsters and flank the cavalry, etc.. So even if it seems that range is the answer, not really, it's the answer if you are able to pin down the monster.. And this is the hard part, they steamroll everything, even the artillery units smashes their enemies, lol
If the video quality is not as good as some other videos it's due to youtube having a hard time processing when SSAO is enabled in the game.
The video file on my computer looks flawless but thr youtube algorithm works with measy bitrate which can make it blurry.
Therefore, for future videos I have disabled SSAO until some solution is presented.
SSAO makes up more shadows and ambient lightning which makes the game more life like.
samesonite there is a mod wich lets you have a normal unit as a general like in med2, you should use that
"Welcome..... to Jurassic Park"
10:20 the corner top " MEAT IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS"
Guard mode is a poor example of spearmen strength against large.
i quit a campaign a couple of days ago after the ai brought to battle almost 20 fucking dragons.... bless the mods
marto900 wimp
i'm always sad when i see 30 guys flying in the air cause a carnosaur just ram them and 29 just get back on foot okay .
You have a problem in your sim. Spearmen wait for your orders and you only give them some at 7 minutes. It is not as easy when they "really" attack
so all you have to do to win as lizardmen to spawn carnosaures
No
Keep in mind, there are no projectiles in this battle.
Smoozable and spearman are not anti large..
No, he just let the spearmen to move contantly and charge, witch takes away their charge defence. Spearman must brace to apply charge defense
They literally have a ritual that spawns a carnosaur and stegadon army. So that's not too far off.
If he actually had the units attack instead of staying in that stupid formation and getting blasted 1 by 1...
I wants to see lots of rat ogres (and rat giant mount) belly flops
This is pretty much like dropping a bearded dragon into a box full of mealworms.
Like if you want a warhammer movie
Elf kid: Grandpa, how did we lose the war?
Grandpa: They have gosh damn freaking dinosaurs.
omg that Carnosaur is the coolest thing in the game
Looks like 17 tons of primeval killer instinct beats 110lbs of pointy-eared degeneracy.
No carnosaurs were harmed in the making of this video.
They look so happy, diving right in like that!
Charge defence against fuck all in this case.
Anti-Large Units my ass...
if he actually controling his spearman he would had won it easily instead of just standing and doing nothing smh...
The spearmen did nothing... Just waited for their death.
Imagine seeing 100 of those things coming at an army. Nothing would survive.
what do you call a Carnosaur pigging out on a buffet of highelves?
sELFish
Elf Spearman: It's really hot out here in the desert. Can today get any worse?
Kroq-Gar: You bet jurassican. /25carnosaurs+grimloqroaring
“Guys it’s fine we’re anti-large”
Water + cotton candy = this.... just melted
That intial charge was enough to kill me irk
тот самый момент когда не дал команду эльфам атаковать...
carnosaur feeding simulator
can o do the crokcigors (crocodile monstrous unit) vs rat ogres or minotaur (which idk if are available yet in warhammer 2)?
Anti large they said.... Good versus monsters they said...
WTF IS THAT CAMERA MOVEMENT
well if those spearmen stand there and don't attack, the result become obvious
Next battle what's your man against elves
I reckon in real life if you had 5000 men willing to fight these they'd win, let them though the ranks take out the legs
I cannot wait for blood to be addded
During the initial charge I first thought... Okay they have anti-large maybe they will be able to take a few out. Then I saw 0:40-0:45 and I was like yep they're dead af.
Jurassic park???
Jesus! This is not a fight! This is called a massacre!
T-Rexes in one
I Fucking love this game.
It's just massacre for those Trex like monsters..I'm surprised that some of them were routed..
why would you go for carnosauruses when they're anti large.
"Charge defence against large units" Yeah right
elven spears are waaayy too expensive for how much they SUCK
lol f'kin massacre! This is what I do with my dragon ogre army, 3 full stack dwarves ambushed me and I still completely demolished them. haha monster units rule!
Why are there units of spearmen not doing anything though? Shouldn't they be blobbing up around the carnosaurs?
I'll take carnosaurs every single time though. Favorite unit in the game. Probably my favorite unit out of every TW game I've played.
I feel sorry for your CPU
I'm really disappointed this video doesn't have Jurassic Park theme. :///
Am I watching Jurassic world?
0:59 jumped so hard
SpearsElf most likely
You just wanted to see some carnosaurs destroy some elves, didn't you?
Who doesn't?
How do you get shaky hand camera on a virtual camera...
The spearmen-player played it so badly :D
Badass.
What are your pc specs dude? It must be insane to run tw warhammer 2 this well
next time make an environment by spearmen and then click to attack ^^
OMG.Left flang.
By Steven Spielberg.
Wish there was blood :(
I'm pretty sure the 5000 spearman would win irl humans were killing mammoths with sticks and loincloths not trying to be edgy just say 5000 steel spears is a lot of killing power
its one of those situations where a smaller, quicker force is better than a large one. With that many dudes theres so much chaos being caused, youre being hit by youre own men that are being tossed around and theres no real way to get a clean shot. With a smaller group you can spread out, set traps, move more efficiently etc.
+James Huggins No, more men is almost always better than less, forgetting logistics and being of equal quality. It's just about utilizing them properly with tactics. You can free up the maneuverability of a larger force by spacing the men out just like you would with a smaller force, and the wider line can be used to enclose and surround maximizing the amount of spears being able to attack each Carnosaur. The spaced out formations could resemble the Elves tactics in the Hobbit against the Dwarven goats minus the front line ramp, to allow quick surrounding maneuvers while minimizing Carno AoE. And overlap with alternating gaps so if a gap is bypassed, the Carno will just walk into another one.
Can't Stump The Trump That's silly. There are many situations a small guerilla force is better than an army.
+James Huggins What's silly is your complete misunderstanding. Small guerilla forces have defeated larger forces though superior tactics/leadership/morale/etc, not because they are smaller in number.
(again, forgetting logistics and being of equal quality)
Give the small guerilla force more men, and they will do better.
Give the larger force more men, and they will do better.
We both agree that the tactics need to be changed for success with this battle. But the idea that reducing the amount of Elves facing the Carnosaurs would be better is plain silly.
Can't Stump The Trump I'm not talking about in the game man, the op was referencing real life, that's what we're talking about.
I hate depth of field
Try 5000vs 1
what is your PC specs?
Whats with the parkinson's camera?
You lose
Your troop management is triggering me
Cool
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