Let me tell you a story I have a top of the Line Trek Carbon Mtn Bike and the frame broke. Trek replaced the whole bike and let me keep the parts . They basically gave me $4000 for free. I am so grateful. Don't ever disrespect Trek they are the best company with the best People and Best Warranty!
I have no interest in MTB and as a result I can’t speak to the design or quality. But, I keep hearing the same stories from TREK fans. “My bike was poorly made and/or badly designed and as a result it broke! But that’s ok because TREK know their bikes are unreliable and so they provide and excellent warranty.” Now this seems to me to be an odd perspective to have? Furthermore it doesn’t address any of the issues I pointed out with the bikes? 🤷🏻♂️
The replacement frame will be defective and will suffer the same result unless the design flaw has been corrected. Otherwise you would be going through this same process every year unless you suffer a incident because of this. Imagine if it was one of the front fork blades doing this!
@@brianlachapelle8757sorry I didn't make it clear they gave me a new bike. The bike is a gravel bike with disc brakes the old bike had rim brakes. No it won't suffer the same fate. What are you a hater for? Do you work for Giant ?
As For the BB90 issue. It isn't that bad because the crank actually holds the bearing in. I've had no creaking , even riding in torrential rain, an occasional flood and light snow. Industrial bearings for winding towers are press fit. If you have a problem you will know pretty quickly . Haven't had a problem in 5 years.
Well to that I’d say: Doesn’t make them good bikes just because the company gave some away. And also: fighting for your country? How was Iraq a threat to the US exactly? You were fighting, but not to protect America that’s for sure.
@@reginaldscot165 I’m not even from the U.S. But to your disrespectful comment just shows your true character. Your attitude alone proves you’ll never grow mentality. I sincerely hope more people see this and avoid your channel at all costs. As well as riding in groups with you. You’ll be alone and angry at the world because there’s a big soggy chip stuck to your shoulder.
My madone is awesome. Trek customer service is the best I’ve ever experienced. I actually didn’t care which brand bike to buy when I decided to get a super bike. It wasn’t the bike that sold me, it was walking into the bike shop for the second time being welcomed by name. I’ve never had better customer service.
Customer service is very important. I my time in the Business I have found customers will buy anything if the salesman makes them feel good. 👍🏻 But not make me list everything wrong with the Mad-One. 😅 Ride safe!
Absolutely. Unfortunately the Trek store in my city Hyderabad does not have good customer service. They are very money minded. Trek makes some great bikes but if the store selling them has poor customer service, it spoils the show.
Well, this 59 year old weekend warrior is enjoying his 2020 Domane SL5. Over the years I've upgraded the rims, bars and group set. In 3 years I have had none of the issues you have shown with the other bike fortunately. This is my first road bike as I am coming from a mountain bike background. I am in good shape from a lifetime of resistance training and taking care of myself. I ride 60-100 miles a week average during the season. Does my Domane weigh more than other bikes? I guess it does. For me though I feel like it's a small trade off for the ride I get on the bike. It does everything this new rider needs as far as comfort, stability, looks, etc.. Appreciate your humor but personally I have no axe to grind with Trek so far. I'll be sure to let you know if that changes. Lastly, I'm sure many concerned about the weight of any bike could stand to lose a few lbs. themselves if we were being totally honest.
Great comment! Yes that’s true, but there is no feeling like riding a super light bike. My weight goes up and down, 71kg to 68kg depending on how close to a race I am. 😂 Safe riding! 🙂👍🏻
Coming from an MTB background. I'd suggest is why you see the benefits of the Domane' and rightly so. Spend enough time purely on a road bike especially one that's rim brake and built for hills and you'll see its night and day. The crux for me , is the price they sell these super "lightweight, super aero" bikes for. With so many design or QC issues. And as a rider who also came from the mtb world.. I never experienced those same issues on an mtb of any price point.
@Advanced Driving you burn through much more calories and have bigger appetite - you eat more than you burn, that's why your weight is standing in place. You would need less sugars and calories to drop weight.. I dropped from 82-83 kg in Feburary to 69.4 kg in september... 71 now as I have a break from riding cuz of weather and eating more.
I own a Cervelo S3, a Cannondale Synapse and a Trek Madone. Without doubt my Trek is my go to bike. In the almost 5 years I've owned it, apart from general wear and tear on the drive train, it has not caused me any problems. It's comfortable and fast and I often get complimented on it. I previously owned an Emonda but, wanted something a bit quicker and it came with Di2 as standard. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one, I love it!
I think you would probably be disappointed with the newer one, bikes of 5 years ago are not the bikes of today. They have gotten a lot less simple, a lot heavier, a lot more expensive and probably a lot slower. 🤭 Thank you for the comment. 👍🏻🙂
I disagree with Reg. I live Trek. My Emonda SLR 7 with Ultegra was 7.3kg without pedals. It cost £5k in 2020. A lot of money before everything went stupid with Covid and inflation. My new Madone SLR is overweight at 8kg, with Ultegra Di2. But it rides beautifully and feels fast. I do understand that some makes give more value for money per pound in weight. However this is my hobby which I thoroughly enjoy with 5000 miles per annum across 3 or 4 bikes and 3 disciplines. The pure numbers do NOT tell the whole story.
@@sharpcsc998 I totally agree with you, I ride some10,000kms + each year and a fair chunk on my Madone. It's comfortable and fast (not he best climber!) but, it's my go to bike.
@@sharpcsc998 I have. 2018 Emonda, weighs a Lil over 17lbs with no accessories on it. This Reg guy is full of ish and probably a disgruntled ex Trek employee. These bikes are you doing the BUSINESS.
Chris Sharp - The gullible and easily marketed to fools will always believe their moronic purchases of silly priced cheaply made disposable CF junk framesets are great due to ego, placebo effect, and plain stupidity. 😀😆
I love my Trek Emonda SL6. Smooth and fast and doesn't feel too heavy. Just completed a very hilly race on it and did great on the climbs. For whatever reason most of the winning local cyclists are riding Trek!
I have the same bike 22 version. I upgraded from a Giant TCR. It's not as poppy on the climbs, but on the flats it's a beast compared to the TCR. I can also feel the stiffness on the bottom bracket compared to the TCR. Fantastic bike.
@@reginaldscot165 i havent ridden a new trek. i have a 2008 madone pro. It is 7.5kg (carbon frame/aluminium wheels) its fun and fast. Yes weight is a big factor in performance but so is tyre width and smoothness of ride. If your pedal stroke is interrupted by a bump in the road it can make you lose focus and lose the intensity in your performance so smoothness is an important factor too.
I owned a Domane SL5, pretty good so far.. ridden many miles and very comfy. Now I have an Emonda SL9, love it as well. No problem at all, life time warranty for the frame if any defects. Weight wise for me, small matter, I'm not using it for competition nor I'm a cyclist athlete, the small weight differences won't cause catastrophes.
Get off from the bike and on a couch if you think that the most important attribute of a road bike is "comfy". There is no such thing as a "comfy" road bike. It's for sports for Gods sake!
@@Vartan297He’s angry because he rides an uncomfortable bike.😢. In every bike video there are commentators who should be riding a brand of bikes called Contrarian Bicycles.
Lifetime warranty on that frame, so in spite of your sarcasm, the bike frame will be replaced without any fuss. TREK is great about that. Just a bit of knowledge for you, TREK has over 100 engineers on the payroll and they really do there homework when designing and building product and as previously stated, standing behind their warranty 100%.
Well, they say too many cooks spoil the soup. Maybe it’s the same with TREK, I come from an Engineering background and quite frankly a lot of engineers question the TREK designs. As for the warranty, if that’s true okay then. However often by companies do try and get out of warranty commitments and if they built the bike well in the first place they would need replacement? The fact A bike has a good warranty doesn’t make it a good bike. 🙂 All the best and safe riding!
Warranty is great unless your out on a 200 mile ride with no support!! We had 1000 engineers on the space shuttle but we sure as hell didn’t want it to crack no matter how good the warranty after the failure.
I agree entirely. It's Russian roulette when it comes to buying a new bike. The shamefully poor quality control and idiotic engineering design; particularly with the so-called prestige brands can't get much worse. Or can it? I did a lot of research when I chose mine. Time alone will tell. But I strip it down, clean, inspect, grease and wax it after every handful of rides.
Yes indeed, that’s why I avoid playing the roulette with those Brand’s. I don’t feel they have the customer at heart? You sound like you take good care of your bike! That’s a great habit to have. Safe riding to you!
Our local Specialized shop has an unconditional 30 day full refund policy. Unfortunately most any bike lasts 30 days. But at least you have a chance of finding a major issue and being sure it's a good fit. Expensive however.
Nice if you have the time. I own a 2015 Venge with zero issues. My bike gets full maintenance twice a year, which works out fine. Every handful of rides is a lot, but to each his own.
One of my bikes is a Trek Emonda SL6 from 2019 with Ultegra 11 speed, rim brakes and Hunt Race Aero Wide wheels. Weighs around 7.2kg from memory. I love it. Trek has now gone mad along with the whole bike industry. I agree with so much of what you say. Great videos! Keep them coming.
As an average rider. I still don't get why there's so many excuses for disc brakes. And I've poured over videos to see if there's any comparisons. Putting disc brakes vs aluminum rim braking. And haven't really seen any.
@@dangurtler7177 The videos I've seen only make the comparison using carbon rim brakes. In which case you're right. However; most bikes sold at the time were aluminum rim brakes. And that's what I ride in the rain. And on hills. And I've never had a problem stopping or rims wearing out. Lastly let's come clean. Most people don't ride their shiny carbon disc road bikes in the rain.
@@Blah-blah-sure I still have alu rims with calipers on my road bikes. The bike I put the most miles on has V-brakes with alu rims, but the rims do wear out. I am down to my last wheel set for that one (it is mountain bike with 26" wheels, with skewers and they are UST which aren't made anymore.) I do have disk brakes on my 2015 Niner Air 9 RDO. I can't get wheels for that one either since they changed the length of the maxles (led by Trek as I recall).
I think the mountain and road frames are pretty good. The only drawback comes to price and if you can get a better deal assembling a bike yourself buying a raw frame of your choosing and the components when they all go on sale at the end of the year. You can also spec it exactly how you want that way. Trek uses a lot of bontrager parts which have various levels of quality
Great video ❤. I recently bought a Lynskey R230 off a mate and totally satisfied. After having ridden steel, alloy and carbon over the last 40 yeara or so,really glad that this will my last bike ❤. Loving your content for its honesty and common sense approach to cycling.
Work stand clamping has never been an issue with the standard seat mast. Plenty of space with various brands/clamps. The frame isn’t heavy, the components are. The Emonda is still one of the most responsive so it all bikes going. It’s more Aero than people give it credit for, whilst it climbs exceptionally still despite having rim Emondas which weigh over a kilo less. Sram Rival and the alloy cockpit let you down weight wise. The Domane cracking isn’t something I’ve ever seen myself as a Trek dealer. Isospeed can be problematic, I agree there. Weight is not the focus on a Domane it’s strictly geometry and clearance. Who compares a Domane to a 25mm max clearance titanium rim brake bike. If you’re talking about longevity then the same applies to any Carbon bike from any brand against titanium as a material itself. That crack looks self inflicted. The tubing shape internally is a lot more thought out than you’re giving it credit for. It’s not simply a case of double thickness in one place and thin walls in another. Couldn’t agree less with your video personally. I’m head mechanic/manager for an independent long term Trek Dealer up until late last year and have no bias whatsoever towards the brand. Just have simply seen more than them inside and out than most ever will. I own an Emonda myself, and it’s one of my favourite bikes currently and of all time. Trek has many issues, but these are not exclusive to Trek. Rather quite the opposite with them bringing consistently performing bikes out for the last however long.
The seatpost clamp is a terrible design, even if you deny the problems with clamping a much larger tube that has a clamp halfway up the mast (especially difficult when the rider is short and you have limited space.) you have to acknowledge the stupidity of the design. It doesn’t drop as Low and a traditional seatpost. It’s more expensive. It’s harder to get parts for because it’s unique to TREK. It doesn’t allow for after market/other Brand components. The clamp only fits aluminium rails, if you want a carbon rail saddle you have to buy extra over priced clamps. If you snap the seatpost you need to buy a new frame! It was done for only one reason, it’s not better in ANY WAY to a traditional seatpost, it was only done to make TREK more money. For that one thing alone TREK need to be criticised and avoided as a company. Yes the components are heavy, if you remember in the video I criticised “modern carbon bikes” for this reason in general. However, out of all the carbon mass production rubbish that comes through my workshop TREK are consistently the heaviest. Giant for example are cheaper and lighter. Not that I’d buy a Giant, I’m just stating facts. Yes titanium as a material is superior to carbon for bike frames. I agree with you there. Also yes you only need 25mm tyres on a Ti bike to get the same comfort on a carbon bike with much bigger tyres. I run 23s on my Ti bike and happily ride 200km in a day with no I’ll effects. Where as my friends on carbon and aluminium with 28mm tyres are complaining bitterly by the 160km mark. The customer said they didn’t damage the bike themselves. Why would they lie to me? I’m not a TREK dealer? I’m not responsible for the frame warranty, so what would be the point to lie to me? They said they didn’t cause the crack so I believe them. Therefore it is more likely to be a frame defect, in quality or design or both. The fact you are a TREK dealer makes your comment a little less credible, however I can be blamed for the same bias with the products I choose to sell. The simple fact is, if I had $7k to spend on a bike, even if I was dumb enough to buy a mass production carbon bike… it wouldn’t be a TREK. Thank you for your long comment, I appreciate the time you took to offer your options. All the best, Reg.
@@reginaldscot165 Some Giant bikes have a seat post that has to be cut (which is permanent) to adjust saddle height. I don’t see you criticising Giant or Specialised.
I’m 58 and have a Domane S5 full carbon. Love it! No issues looks amazing Ferrari Red and Matte Black Accents. The only thing I have done is replaced my stock wheels with carbon fiber aero wheels. I ride during the season around 100 miles a week not much but I love my Trek! 11/15/24 update. Just bought a Madone SL6 Gen 8 Matte Black love it!
Hi Reginald I’m fortunate to own quite a few bikes one of which is my 2020 Domane SL5. Many thousands of km on it with no issues. It is my go to comfort bike. In the almost 3 years I’ve upgraded it so ready to ride is 8 kilos. It’s fun to ride. I own a couple Italian superbikes that are lighter and faster but I still like my Domane.
Great! As long as it works for you and you are happy that’s the main thing. However, I bet I could find you another bike in the same price range you would like better given the opportunity. 😉 Happy and safe riding to you!
@@szmal1234 Negative. There are many other things to consider with a comfort bike not weight related. If you want light weight, go to a bike designed for light weight. Also, I have a Trek Boone. It weighs in at 14.9 pounds. With all the lightest stuff you can get, even tubulars. I suppose the wheels could be lighter, as they are 1380 grams..... But still, thats not heavy at all for wheels. To complain about 8 kilos is pathetic. Or 10. A light XC bike with 2.3 tires on it comes in around 22 to 23 pounds, if its decent at all. Weight isnt the biggest concern with a Trek. Ride features are. Since they dont specialize in Titanium, They gotta work with what theyve got.
Just went thru this journey. So sick of the bike industry. Made the mistake of buying a Trek Madone 9 - cracked within a couple of years. BMC SLR01 - now can't get replacement parts due to bespoke seat clamps etc - running on borrowed time. Finally decided to buy a titanium bicycle with standard components (which can be replaced) and custom build geometry (Baum) - couldn't be happier. With me for life 👍
The journey from marketed plastic that gets replaced every few years to buying a frame that actually holds its own for over a decade...Titanium or steel...pick your preference.
Excellent! I do love me a light bike. I just got my size ML Litespeed Titanium bike down to 6.44kg with SRAM Red. Best group set out there in my opinion. Happy safe riding to you! 🙂👍🏻
Have a madone...best bike ever. Super comfortable and the company is amazing to work with....had an issue with the seat region - warranty fixed no questions. Simply surreal level of service. I'd by a trek over any other bike and I've had a lot...the closest thing to Trek is Seven in terms of service.
Noted, it depends what you value. If it’s an SL6 Mad-One then the “comfort” via the iso system comes at a sacrifice. 1) it makes it the heaviest pro tour carbon bike of my lifetime. 2) it makes it hard to service. 3) it has serious in-built obsolescence. The customer service regarding the warranty might be great, but a trend in the comments is see all the time is people saying “TREK is great because when my poorly made TREK bike was faulty they gave me a new one.” This kind of proves my point, if they were “good bikes” why do so many people need to return them because of manufacturing defects? 🙂
I had a Trek Emonda a few years ago which developed a crack from a crash that was found during a yearly service. Trek upgraded me with a brand new frame, no questions asked. Best warranty in the business. I ride a BMC Team Machine SLR01 Disc these days, which i love, but i loved my Trek.
Same here. Found crack in the top tube of my four-year old Domane. Took it to the local Trek store. Received a replacement frameset (not the latest version, but two years newer than mine), no questions asked. Even had it painted to my specifications (Project One.)
20,000+ miles on my '18 Trek Emonda SLR6. Weighs 15lbs (6.8kg) Still enjoy it. Zero problems. If you weigh bike I'd suggest leaving pedals and bottle cages off for apples to apples comparison. Trek frames have lifetime warranty to original owner.
Disc brakes add a pound. SL carbon bikes are another pound heavier than SLR carbon frames. I bought my bike for $2K used and keep it due to it's low weight but I don't have disc brakes or electronic shifting. To get a new Trek with the new tech. and lighter weight you are up to $12,500 Emonda SLR 9 at 14.82lbs. See why I'll keep mine.
@FamilytripsNevents - if you ask me, disc brakes aren't worth it. They are very costly to maintain, they can seize up going down a hill, you need to protect them during transportation, among other issues. If people prefer to go that route, I wouldn't stand in their way. I prefer the old fashioned rim brakes. There's more advantages to them than having disc brakes. Disc brakes look good, but I feel they aren't as spectacular as people make them out to be.
Um, Trek wasn't making Emondas in '08. But I get your point. I took an Emonda SLR for an extended test ride when they first came out. My impression? Just like my '12 Madone, but a little lighter and stiffer.
10.28kg for the Domane truly is insane, how could they make a carbon bike so heavy? My friends new entry level Sora Aluminium bike from Decathlon weighs as much.
Everyone has their experiences and opinions. As a racing family with lots of Trek mountain bikes, we have had nothing but great experiences with Trek and the bike store that sells Trek. Trek has also been easy to deal with and very fair about their warranty. I can say no such good things about the big "S". Our criteria may be different though. If they break we fix them, and I couldn't tell you the weight of any of them beyond "competitive" in the market. I'm sorry your stuff broke, I hope you get it sorted.
I hear some good things about the MTB side of TREK. Being a pure roadie I can’t comment other than as more MTB technology ends up on road bikes the worst they seem to get for us. Stay safe and happy riding!
I have had 3 Trek bikes. I now have a Trek Verve EBike. I’ve biked for 78 years and am hoping to continue into my 9th decade. Also hand a great Specialized hybrid which was marvellous.
This is why I prefer steel bikes. They are definitely heavier but they have good longevity. My shop carries Daccordi for this reason. Hand made Italian Steel Bikes. Great video
My steel bike is lighter! Ha ha that’s what’s so amazing. I have a friend who has a carbon Scott Foil in the same size as my steel with carbon wheels and my steel with aluminium rims is still lighter. 😂 I look at people who by modern carbon bikes like they are crazy! 😄
@@se7ensnakes this is why I personally own (in my multiple bike collection) a carbon fiber Pinarello. The numbers are definitely better and noticeable. However, I also do bike touring and I ride in bad weather (Florida is unpredictable) so my ride of choice most of the time is a steel bike
Trek bikes are EXCELLENT in my opinion but 8.8kg is on the heavy side. The BB90s were very problematic too, but I think they no longer use that BB standard any more.
I love this comment. I might start doing comments of the week and this would be in episode 1! 🤭 “TREK bikes are Great!” Proceeds to mention 2 negative things about them and nothing positive. 😂 Cracked me up! Super comment! 👍🏻🙂
I own two Trek bicycles. A 2000 (something) 8000 SL hardtail and a 2003 5900 with 11 speed r8000 setup. They are both awesome and the frames have stood the test of time. 5900 at under 16 lbs is not only super light, it's strong, fast and climbs with the best of them. Consider too, Trek backs up their bikes with an outstanding warranty. My favorite bikes.
I still think they (the road bikes) suck. 🤔 The argument of (will I like them) doesn’t do anything to address the weigh and the cost and the clearly poor design choices. 🤷🏻♂️ Sorry and ride safe! 🙏🏻❤️
Another point on these new carbon bikes with disc brakes few people mention is that disc brake bikes are simply heavier, so to try and compensate for the extra weight manufacturers make carbon frames as thin and lite as possible which makes them more flexy and unreliable. Unlike in the early 2000's carbon bikes you can now squeeze the tubes with your fingers and watch them bend.
Just got me a new Trek "Mad-One" SLR 9 alongside my Trek Emonda SLR 9 (6.8kg) both of which I got at more than half-off though (the entire set) so I'm not complaining at all. If I had to buy them all myself.. Well, maybe I'd be looking at other brands! But something to take note of some people finds more price value in the larger name brands, good service, and warranties, which sadly lots of the cheaper options can't offer. I see a lot of your comments and replies putting down people's opinions and positive thoughts toward Trek. Some people, like myself, aren't bike mechanics and just want a reliable brand as well as are willing to pay the premium for the brand as well as the product assurance. No need to criticize anyone's personal preferences, opinions, or reasons of value.
Ok so a lot to break down here. I will start with the Accusation of my replies “putting down peoples opinions and positive thoughts towards TREK.” I don’t know what comments you have been reading, I’m normally very positive towards everyone in the replies. I basically reflect the energy I’m given. If someone says something like “I love my TREK” my normal response is “that’s great I’m glad you like it and it works for you.” If they say something like “you are stupid TREK is the best” then yeah I’m going to send back some of that negativity. The video is Why I wouldn’t buy one, not why you shouldn’t, I’m just giving the facts as they are president to me from the reality is see with my own eyes. Now if someone comes at me hard and says a load of BS well I’m going to point out where that are mistaken. That brings me onto your next point, “some people finds more price value in the larger name brands…” That might be true and in my video I don’t mention that or dispute that. However, 2 things, just because an individual sees value in something doesn’t mean it inherently has value. For example, gold has value. If you see the value in gold or not doesn’t change its value. Toenail clippings don’t have value, even if you as an individual think they do, you would still be mistaken. The same reasoning can be applied to anything. Just because they see value in TREK doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be happier and better off with another option if someone like me helped them by pointing that out. I don’t understand this level of religions brand loyalty that extends beyond argument or reasoning. If there are better alternatives why shouldn’t that be discussed. Finally you admit, (perhaps too honestly) that you didn’t pay full price for your bikes? (Less than half?) So to you they seem fantastic but you also admit you would consider other options if it was your money… and that is the point of the video. To make people consider other options.
@@reginaldscot165 Actually, gold doesn't have any inherent value. Its value is based upon our assigning value to it, which is what LoganBeck was saying about what one values in buying a bike. There's more to the experience of owning and riding a bike than just weight and cost, but I do appreciate you providing your reasoning for what constitutes a good value and the other options available.
Actually gold does have inherent value, that’s why I picked gold. (You might be confused with diamonds that are basically worthless but their Scarcity is strictly controlled.) Gold on the other hand is totally essential for the production of all our modern electronics. Without it we wouldn’t have computers, or smart phones or robots or almost anything that runs on electricity. Yes it’s also used for jewellery but if you look at the price of gold over the last 100 years you will see we depend on it now more than ever even though most countries got rid of their gold stocks in the 1960s-70s.
I’m not much of a roadie, primarily ride a mtb. 10kg seems shockingly heavy for a carbon road bike though. I have a full suspension Ibis Mojo SLR mtb that weighs in right around 10kg. I know that’s light for a mtb, but never imagined a decent carbon road bike could weigh as much.
Nice! Yes this channel is rapidly becoming dedicated to telling people to buy titanium bikes. They really are totally underrated as an option. Safe riding!
Hello, fellow Trek dealer! I haven't seen anything like that on our bikes, but yeah, seems like the design issue. Or manufacturing issue. It's hard to say for sure other than that is not rider's fault. What many people don't seem to grasp is that most of the time it's the manufacturer (this time - the factory where the frame was made) who determines the layup, not the engineer, who have designed the frame. Engineers, who do all these CAD drawings, don't have the control over how to layup the fiber cloth into the mold. That adds up to the sheer clusterfuсk we have today in the cycling biz. This being said, I ride vintage Italian steel: Olmo, Colnago, Vicini. Always happy. The ride feel, the grip (flexy steel grips better than these ultra-stiff racing sleds!), the ease of maintenance... 80's-early 90's were the peak of cycling perfection. Love your sarcasm, mate!
I like/agree with your last paragraph, you are correct, a flexible steel frame will grip the road better than a stiff carbon frame, especially a disc frame. 🙂👍🏻
Personal opinion/choice is no problem. But there's definitely a tons of reason why Trek is universaly considered as the industry leader in high performance bikes road and Mt. Your complaint is just about the weight because of the Components build well that depends on the Components. 7.4-7.9kg for an aero road bike is definitely enough for what i know and ask on my roadie friends. But talking about me I'm a mtbiker and i use plenty of mtbikes to know which is better for long term use(mine and borrowed/demo for testing) and in the end i always prefer trek overall cause of solid reasons, my personal bikes are also trek and some of my mates switch to trek after realizing it has better (overall quality, perfomance, Warranty). Speaking of build bikes on MTB category trek is definitely one of the best when it comes to complete built bikes on every price category it's very cost effective, but the heart of the bikes the frame all the proprietary tech trek put into it is phenomenal😃👍.
I know nothing of MTB so I can’t comment on that. I’d not heard TREK was an “industry leader” in anything? Maybe the worlds heaviest bikes for the highest price? 🤭 But I will look into that. My complaint isn’t just about weight…. I also mentioned poor design, quality, durability and reliability. All the best and safe riding! ❤️
Yep, I'm not a Trek guy, but I've got no problem with different opinions. I don't think they lead MTB in any way, but they're no slouch, that's for sure.
I ride an 11 kilo bike from year 2005. Never felt if I am riding something heavy but riding a bike 3 kilo less heavy would be so much fun, especially accelerating fast.
You are not wrong! I LOVE my light bike. At 6.44kg I sprint up hill like I’m on a flat road. 😍 Hope you get the bike of your dreams one day! Safe riding!
Titanium bikes are like the PC master race when discussing gaming. It’s cheating, 😂. But I see your point. I have a Motobecane Le Champion Ti, and though it’s the minor leagues compared to a LiteSpeed or Moots, it’s still pretty darn good at about 8.5kg for $600 in 2017. I’m working on a ‘21 Madone build, so I guess I’ll get the Trek road experience firsthand. I’ve owned 3 Trek 29ers, all my favorite bikes at the time.
Standard size. Perhaps it depends on the size of the post/rider but it always ends up blocking one side of the rubber pads…. It’s a dumb design anyway. Re-inventing the wheel.
I am picking up my new Madone soon, will let everyone know if the seat breaks. I went with Trek primarily because of their customer service and warranty. Pretty much all modern bikes are now are priced insanely high, I think most people have to come to terms with that (especially the rim brake enthusiasts). Sure 3-4 years ago you could get a top spec bike in the 6-8k range but the manufacturers have adjusted the price for whatever reason whether it's following the industry trend, limited supplies because of covid, taking advantage of the niche market, complexity of parts, r&d/ad costs, etc.
To add when I spec out the bike compared to similar bikes from Canyon, Giant, Cervelo, and Specialized.. they were all very close in pricing. Giant obviously being almost $700-800 cheaper, however, when you factor customer service, warranty, proximity of stores, etc. and superficial stuff like paint schemes .. the difference is negligible.
The problem is you are stuck in the Mainstream carbon mindset. If you get away from the Big Brand’s and look wider (especially in metal frames) you will find bikes that are not only cheaper and better designed but also lighter. The price they ask for the Mad-One is a joke on anyone willing to pay it. They are so cheap to make in Asia it’s unreal. But as long as you are willing to pay the price will keep going up. Happy riding! 👍🏻🙂
@@reginaldscot165 That Domane is almost as heavy as my $750USD (new) entry endurance aluminum with a freaking steel fork, 3x Claris, and Gatorskins. Half kilo difference...
@@reginaldscot165 and I was thinking on selling my 2013 Madone and my 2021 Giant TCR Advanced to obtain some money to buy the new Madone, but the price is out of my range. You’re right, the price is a joke, specially for cycling fans like me who are not pros.
Manufactured race boats my whole life, you are correct about the heavy-light and flex where they crack. We always run layers past each other so we don't have a thick thin transition.
Interesting about the cracked bottom tube ...I own a Giant Defy and an Avanti Corsa, both mid range bikes, but I know that GIANT guarantee their frames for life against cracking, providing the bike hasnt been in a crash. WOULD be surprised if Trek didnt do the same.?
A lot of people say that have a good warranty. That’s just tells me a lot of people needed it. It’s kind of like “better to ask forgiveness than permission” style of bike manufacturer. 😂
I actually have had two Trek MTB frames replaced in the last 20 years under Trek lifetime warranty. One was a complete POS noodle, an early Fuel 100. They replaced it with a newer much better model. Another was a Superfly 100 that just would not stop creaking. They also replaced the entire frame with an upgraded full carbon back triangle. No charge. And I did thrash those bikes. So I was actually happy to have them replaced with upgrades.
Please I invested on the trek bike but my money has not reflected in my account since yesterday…so pls do something about it for us please..we are plenty facing the same issue
Such on point your video. After many years of top of the line carbon bikes I ended up getting a Litespeed Cherhoala with two sets of the exact same 303 s wheels. Gravel tires and road tires! Pure Bliss.
I only ride Trek. I recently visited and toured the Trek HQ in Wisconsin when I was in town for Ironman 70.3 Wisconsin 2024. I got to see where they assemble and do custom paint for the Project One bikes. Fantastic Company. Love my Trek Cross Rip, Trek Marlin, and Gen 7 Trek Madone SLR. I was MAD to buy that MAD ONE! Love it. Take my money Trek!
I started out with treks. The last one I had was a Emonda. It was really heavy and I love to climb all the time and do long rides. Went to w giant dealerships and bought a TCR that weighs a lot less and I find it to be a more comfortable ride. The Emonda sits on the trainer. It’s behind my TCR and cervelo R3 as bikes to ride by preference
Giant TCR is still the gold standard of road bikes. I love mine! I tried a lot of the mainstream brand: Specialized Tarmac, Trek Madone, Cannondale SuperSix Evo, BMC Team Machine. I keep going back to TCR. I love its stiffness and comfort at the same time. So explosive and a great climber. I’m riding a 2022 Giant TCR Advanced Pro 0 Disc AR with SRAM Force right now. It’s amazing.
Pretty funny on the humor, although not all treks are built the same, my 2019 Domane SLR size 54 weighs 15 lbs 6.9 kg with pedals, bottle cages and computer mount. Love it, just love it.
My (rim brake) Trek Émonda ALR 5 is 6.9 kg *fully* kitted out, and when building it myself it cost me maybe 4 grand, but that was before prices went up like crazy. My heavily tuned (rim brake) Trek Boone (cyclocross bike) weighs 7.5 kg in road trim. I'd say being heavy weight is not about the frame or even the manufacturer. Good comment about the "hole" in the Domane though. Was tempted to get one because of that feature.
@@reginaldscot165and significally less effective. Especially for a heavy 100 kg rider like me. Not even mention riding it in the winter or on long rides.
I totally agree with your crack analysis. Seen the same problem on wood outboard race boats where the stringers (somewhat flexible) would tie into a main rib(very stiff). The stringers would crack/break next to the rib. We had to put a 6 inch plywood gusset where the stringer ties in with the rib to help spread the load. I don't think the Treks whole down tube needs to be strengthened but just needs a 6 inch transition area. That tiny storage area was probably some managers great idea that they forces on to engineering and now look at the mess their in!😂
If I could buy any bike brand new today it would be a Litespeed. Titanium is basically the master race of bike frames and I honestly dont know why more people dont ride them. Carbon has some great qualities but it's also brittle to certain stresses and subject to huge variations in manufacturing quality. Plus, companies like Litespeed are not so big that they have lost QC and attention to detail.
Titanium bikes are noodles. A carbon bike can be engineered to be rigid with respect to torque forces into the bottom bracket under power yet still compliant vertically for ride comfort. I rode an early Trek OCLV 90s and it was brutal. Then a Serotta Ti which I believed to be the holy grail for 10 years. In 2017 a new Trek Emonda proved that the new Carbon frames make Ti a joke for serious performance. The newer 2019 Domane SLR is better in every category. Ti might be better for durability but after 40k miles the Trek still has no issues. The proof is in riding. Not just once but repeatedly over the same routes many times. I have years of experience on both bikes and Ti is just an overpriced myth. Much like a Brooks saddle, which works great for a certain type of rider. What makes you happy is all that matters but without personal experience it's impossible to know the truth.
@@frankiebguitar I have experience from 4 titanium bikes of different geometry, 2 steel bikes of different geometry and a few carbon bikes. Carbon is hands down the king of stiff performance no question. If you are competitive go carbon and don't look back. Now for titanium, all 4 of my bikes are different. I will say that custom geometry makes all the difference and the skill of the builder. I have an older Guru praemio ti bike that's custom built to be stiff. Let me tell you it's so stiff that it borders harsh aluminum with the compliance of carbon. I am over 80kg and the frame does not flex sprinting up hills. It's super light 7kg with pedals. Titanium can be stiff with the right frame builder. It's not the materials it's the design and geometry. Carbon is king for both weight and stiffness but don't say titanium can't be near as stiff as carbon.
Because it's still not possible to fine tune material like titanium the way you can carbon. You can't make it aero because it's hard to work with and welds are very unaerodynamic. Plus carbon is lighter
I have a 2010 Specialized Roubaix Elite carbon fiber frame still going strong. Full Dura Ace 10 sp including wheels, weighs in at 7.7 kg with pedals. 1 year out of a frame is an epic fail. I wonder if the frame crack is a common or special issue for Trek. I like the Litespeed.
My 2015 Giant Propel Advanced 1 with Shimano RS10 wheelset that I bought for $2,700 NZD in 2015 weighed 8.8 kilogrammes. The wheelset cost me $215. I'd also fitted it with a Roadlink and a Shimano XT 11-40 cassette.
that crack looks like a classic dropping of a water bottle onto the drop tube. I agree absolutely though with your thoughts on the tube storage - certainly such a change in the tube would make that area a risky point. TBH I wouldn't feel comfortable riding that bike with that crack in the down tube; a failing downtube at 70kph is a bad day.
A plastic water bottle dropped onto the carbon bike cracked it? I knew carbon was rubbish but I had no idea it was that bad! 😂 Yeah me neither, too risky. Great comment! 👍🏻
You left out local shop support availability. How many shops for these small brands are available globally? Being able to walk into a shop for parts and service is a benefit to many riders.
Yes that’s true, if you have a TREK you can only buy TREK seat post and so on. So if you don’t live near a TREK shop you have a problem. If you have a normal bike (like my Cinelli or Litespeed) you can fit many stem, bar, seat post, BB from 100s of after market brands no problem. 🙂👍🏻 Good point!
@Reginald Scot the components on a Trek are the same as any other bike and seat posts on quite a few road bike brands are proprietary. I'm guessing you are ass hurt that Trek wouldn't sponsor you so now your stuck with the little brand to schill for. So sad. 😔
I have 2 Treks. A Madone SLR8 @ 7.6 kg and an Emonda SLR 8 @ 6.8 kg ... Both weighed with pedals. Both are tough as old boots and both are rim brakes. Most tubes flex laterally very little on bikes. The down tube is prmarily in tension and carbon is at its best in tension. Highly unlikely that the frame just cracked due to normal loading. Carbon does not really fatigue either, so its either a manufacturing flaw or it has had a serious knock or a squeeze. Agree with your take on endurance bikes, easy simple maintenance a big plus.
Trek warranty is incomparable! I haven’t seen trek customer’s unsatisfied Seems yours is a unique case But thanks for sharing now understand Trek bikes may also break down
Yes I hear the warranty is good… perhaps a sign that you will need it at some point. 🤭 “Each to their own” as some people say… (Not me) Thanks for your comment and safe riding! 👍🏻
LOL. Just another cheaply fabricated stock CF cookie cutter frameset being sold for a silly price and mark up to the gullible and easily marketed to. That pretty much sums up Trek, Giant, Specialized and all the other similar CF cookie cutter framesets out there that pros are paid (bribed) to ride before they dispose of said junk each season multiple times. 😀😀
why would a company set on making money make a warranty they expect their customers to use? Now I know you can't make a logical point @@reginaldscot165
I have a 2006 Orbea Orca and other than the clear coat peeling here and there the frame has been solid for 18+ years. I'm running mechanical Sram Red on it and it's been fine. Just did a 2:45:00 100km ride the other weekend on it. I've been looking at a 2016 Trek Madone 9H2 with mechanical Ultegra - not sure if I should!?
Hi and greetings to you! Just stumbled upon your channel and I agree with you that I wont buy another bike from Trek anymore. I owned Domane AL4 that comes at 10.5kg and managed to change several components and down to around 9.2kg. After seeing the carbon Domane 's weight plus other serious issues like frame crack, I'm glad I only paid for AL4 (but still pricy for its weight and probably my second hand bike I purchased thru Marketplace - Focus Culebro 2013 way lighter and cheaper too!) Lastly keep up with your content and looking forward to view more! Cheers.
My 58cm gen 4 Domane with Ultegra R8100 and Hubt 50!section carbon wheels weighs 8.2kg. My son’s four year old 56 Emonda with 105 R7000 and Hunt alu wheels weighs 8.4kg. The weights of your bikes therefore surprise me.
Great video Reginald Agree with your opinion. If pros don’t use the same bike for more than a season why would we expect it to be any different when the same bike is being sold to the general public. All the best.
@@reginaldscot165 except many of my customers have season after season after season after season on Treks. One has over 25,000 miles on the exact Domane frame you attempted to roast with no issues on rough New England roads. I have the same frame. I use it for long rides and gravel rides and often use it on trails. I'm 200lbs. Zero issues. If I do have an issue, zero worries. Trek has my back.
I have an 2013 Madone 5.2, I just bought it a month ago and with some changes (seat, wheels and handlebar all in carbon) the result was better than a new and expensive bike.
Yes indeed, for carbon bikes second hand is definitely the way to go. You can get $4000 bikes for 1k! And they are in good condition sometimes. Ride safe! 🙂
I purchased a Trek Domane SL3 a year or two ago and have used it lightly, I’m used to cycling heavier bikes that are in the beginner or starter category under £1000, I really enjoy the Trek, it’s lightweight was awkward for me to adjust too, but it’s a really nice way to travel…purchasing stuff is subjective, if you learn about specifications and understand your needs then you’re more likely to make a decent investment…I had the opportunity to size my bike instore and that was helpful too…I would buy another Trek for myself or take someone to a store to see if it’s what they might like…i add extra weight to the bike with the security locks and chains I carry - that helps too…lol😇
This past summer I finally stepped off my 2006 Madone 5.9 SL (Dura Ace) for a new 2022 Madone SL 7 (Ultegra Di2, 12 speed, disc brakes). My local Trek store offered a 20% discount off of MSRP mostly because of the pending new 23 model changes. I put over 2,300 miles on the new Madone before the cold weather arrived here in Wisconsin. The newer Madone is a bit heavier at just over 18 lbs. However, the over all ride performance, handling and comfort absolutely blow away the older Madone which is now relegated to my Kickr trainer. Initially, I thought that the older Madone would be my back up bike or used occasionally for nostalgia. That notion lasted about two weeks. There's no way I would ride or embrace old technology bike designs. Did this guy imply 3:33 that rim brakes perform better in the rain than disc brakes? Must be joking. The assessment of the frame damage 7:40 is wrong - Mr Scot is not by authorized Trek to make such determinations. Trek offers outstanding warranties on their frames. I do not agree with the opinions expressed in this video.
I’m not Whining buddy, I’m laughing. Because I ride a much better bike than a TREK, I’m just trying offer an alternative view to anyone about to buy yet another over priced, over weight, over complicated carbon bike… Discs work better in the wet… but tyres on Disc bikes in the wet don’t work better than tyres on rim bikes in the wet… if you understand that then you understand my point. 😉
I have a 2018 Domane SLR with over 40,000 miles on it. (proof on Strava). Never touched the wheels with a spoke wrench. 3 cassettes, 7 chains, on the 2nd set of front rings. Flawless still SRAM Red etap. There will always be wankers who don't get it. Most comfortable bike ever.
Good for you. 3 cassettes to 7 chains seems high? I get 5 chains to 1 cassette. Consider washing the bike every 300km or If you use Muckoff lube try something like Morgan blue. Wet not dry.
I own a 2007 Trek 1000. This thing was being sold used at the shop, I paid $318 for it (That includes tax) That thing is really fun and it hasn't had any real issues at all, overall a very fast, smooth, and comfortable bike! It also looks really nice too with the paint scheme on it (It's a discovery channel edition)
Funny sarcasm in video 😂! Some good points, but your excessive negativity towards Trek, your left-field recommendation of the other brand, and condescending & poorly articulated rationale in responding to posts indicate a nefarious agenda. Perhaps butthurt by some transactions or competition with Trek? Economic interest tied to the other brand? This ain’t objective journalism folks, although in fairness, it never claimed to be such. Still enjoyed and learned some things in the video!! 👍
That’s an interesting comment. I like it. It was a really good attempt at finding some deeper meaning. And I appreciate the complement you started with. 🤭 When compared with a good metal bike I think all the big carbon brands fail for reliability, durability, comfort and value for money. As for financial insensitive. I no longer sell any bikes. So I don’t gain anything from getting people to buy a particular brand. I’d love to be sponsored by Litespeed because I 100% believe they make the worlds best bikes. But it’s not the situation I’m in unfortunately. The reason I make videos is to help people see an alternative perspective on the average mass mainstream media take on the bike industry. There are plenty of channels sucking the D of TREK and the rest. No need for me to do it. As I have showed in previous videos I’m a very honest guy, to my own financial detriment sometimes. But I don’t mind you thinking I have a nefarious agenda, simply because I love that you used the word “Nefarious.” 😂 All the best and safe riding! 😊
Okay, that’s cool! That puts a better context to comments in video. 👍 I ride with a wide range of people with nice expensive & inexpensive bikes, and the fastest dude is on a 10 year old $3k steel bike. But I know it’s not because he’s on a steel bike, just as I know the second fastest guy isn’t so fast just because he’s on a $15k Italian bike. Third fastest dude is a bit thick around the waist and is on a heavy Trek!! 🤪. I’ve stopped paying so much attention to the bikes and more attention to myself and my body and trying (and failing) to keep up with them!! 💪🏽 Keep making vids!
Got a 2022 emonda sl5 with carbon aero wheels, carbon bar/stem integrated. Weighing 8kg without water bottle, included pedals and computer. I use the bike for racing and it does the job very well. If the bike weight a KG too much for your liking you should change your diet or ride more to lose a KG yourself. The emonda has amazing comfort and handles really well when racing. A heavier bike is better in a headwind if you live in a windy area. If you want a bike specifically for climbing none of the new bikes are for you. Get a 2012-2019 carbon road bike with rim brakes instead.
I have 2 Domanes, but I would also like an Emonda. What was time from order date to delivery date? My local Trek dealer says the longest wait is for the Madone.
I'd say from personal experience that one pound off the bike isn't any better than two pounds off the body. Eating everything in sight gets expensive when you are that focused on weight better to watch what you eat first.
@@Adair9800 The Madone is dumb unless you are constantly riding well over 22mph. It's heavy. Emonda is great but after 60 miles you will miss the Domane.
I love my carbon frame Trek. I bought it in 2020 and I ride it alot. No cracks, no problems. It doesn't have the glove compartment. I guess that's a good thing. At 13 kg It weighs a bit more, but It has bigger tyres. Fantastic bike! #gobybike #trek ❤
LOL! The issues you described happens to many non-Trek frames. I purchase a new high-end bike every two years and I've had some lemons. My 2022 Madone SLR7 has been rock solid with zero issues with over 20K kms ridden. Then again, with only 20k kms, the bike is practically new.
I have a Storck absolutist 0.9 ultegra 3x11 with aluminum rims and alu seatpost, cranks, handlebar, weighting 8.0kg and still the more heavy training tubes in use.
Glad to be among fine people such as yourself Sir. Excellent choice! I have a video in the pipeline about how it’s the worlds best bike and how I can prove it. 😂🤭 Happy riding Sir! 💪🏼
@@reginaldscot165 I’ve seen it numerous times, I have two disc brake bikes one is a litespeed Ultimate, however; I feel that it detracts from its performance so I ordered a litespeed Ultimate Rim Brake version being built up exactly the same spec as my T1SL, I’m positive it will out perform the disc version, I’m picking it up Monday
I am riding a Trek sL7 and love it. I did however have a frame crack after about 1 yr. The factory replaced it under the lifetime warranty without question and I have had no further problems. I love the bike and highly recommend them for fellow road warriors!
I must admit, this is one of the best reviews of bikes and highly entertaining! 😅 I have seen now several videos and photos of broken Trek frames. All at the same spot above the "luggage room"
I live in Wisconsin. In about 1975 I bought one of the first Treks- hand built in Waterloo, Wisconsin. I owned and rode that bike for many, many years. Almost 50 years later I bought a like-new used Trek bike and I like this one a lot, too.
I find fully enclosed cables inside a housing tend to stay damp and rust sooner. Also they often have 2x more friction than an exposed cable so shifting and braking tends to be less smooth. But some of this can me mitigated by coating the cable in something before you put them in. WD40/wax so on. 🙂
I’ve just got rid of my two road bikes and bought a BMC roadmachine 2 Sram Force AXS 2022 model for £4500 was £5259, weighs in at 8.21 kg for a 64cm frame I’m going to fit a Sram power meter spider and some light carbon wheels 1350 grams for the set and upgrade the saddle this should reduce the weight to around 7.6 kg in a year or two I’ll upgrade the handlebars and stem to some super lightweight ones which knock at least another 209 grams off getting the bikes weight down to about 7.38 kg.
what makes carbon frame heavy? Just build a emonda alr with ultegra groupset+wheelset with 30c rubino pro weight 7.93kg with pedals on. I put on braided brakeline which heavier.
I'm considering an Emonda Sl6 pro and I was hoping for some decent criticism here. I just checked the Nemo Tig you mentioned - it's a steel frame bike with rim brakes? How is that a fair comparison to a carbon frame bike with a heavier gearset and disc brakes? The SRAM version of the Emonda is about .7kg heavier than the Ultegra version (which is cheaper). I haven't found a better priced climbing bike with aero features and carbon rims when compared to the Emonda SL6 pro.
About your last sentence, you obviously haven’t been looking hard enough Sir? Almost everything is cheaper than the Emonda and fiy “aero features” is marketing, it makes literally no difference. I saw an aerodynamic test of a TCR VS the Madone and at best the Madone was 1 Watt faster and at some speeds and yaw angles the TCR was faster. And the Mad-one is a full “aerodynamic bike” so your advantage on an Emonda over an old fashioned steel frame is less than 1 watt if anything. If you check my review on the Tig I don’t actually like it, I’m just saying that this trek carbon bike is substantially heavier than a steel bike! I don’t actually like the Tig, but it’s still a better bike than the Emonda. I did mention titanium bikes in the video, if your smart that’s where you will look next. 😘
If I lived near you I'd meet up for a ride. You might not want to though due to my "anti-social" tubeless tires 🙃 It's a gorgeous machine and I'm a luicky man! @@reginaldscot165
I worked at Trek, and I despised those seat posts (all of them). One of those posts had special online multi-step instructions for how to get it to stop slipping. But, you know, carbon. They're a serious safety issue, because it's nearly impossible to clamp them safely in the stand without damage. Didn't see similar cracks, but I wasn't there that long. It looks to me like someone dropped a wrench on it.
I really appreciate your comment, it’s interesting to hear from someone who actually worked for TREK. Are you still in the bike industry today? What do you do now? 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 I'm really good at fixing bikes, and I love doing it, but all the additional multitasking, weekend work, and especially the bad management, doesn't work very well for me. I'd like to find a place, but it's not likely. I have a neurological condition, so finding suitable work is hard. I worked for a regional Trek franchise, not directly for Trek corporate. Everything was the same, except I heard corporate got nicer stuff. I thought the bikes were fine, but I'd much rather have the Litespeed.
@@matthew7419 Oh yes, I hate this seatpost interface. It makes the bikes only suitable to be put on dropout-style workstands. Back in my old workplace, during a meeting, the boss told us we were switching from Specialized to Trek as he wants brand diversity in his shops. Up until now, the shop never invested in their own dropout-style workstand. I never liked Trek ever since I took up the sport in 2012 and after working on numerous Treks, I hate them. There came a time where I can buy a new frameset to upgrade, but instead of going for the Émonda ALR (the only frameset I could afford at that time), I deliberately bought another brand and model as I like that one way more than the Émonda ALR. When my ex-colleagues found out, I told them this: I do not have the time and money to buy things I never liked in the first place. (this is probably one of my most arrogant-sounding lines I've ever said)
I have a Trek TT bike (used with DI2). I did not see this video before the purchase. Glad I recently purchased a Cannondale Super Six Evo (with DI2) instead of a Trek. US Marine Corps /Persian Gulf War Vet! Oorah! God bless all friendly cyclists 🙌
I just ordered a Trek Emonda but it's the aluminum version, not carbon. It weighs nearly the same as the carbon version with the identical build, 9.0kg, 19.85lbs, size 56, I'm sure that's without cages and pedals. It's $1050 cheaper than the carbon version. The neat thing about Treks is the Praxis T47 bottom bracket.
the good thing about trek is that they have a really nice warranty on carbon bikes and wheels. Its a no questions asked thing. they just give u a new frame if its cracked. and the reason why the cost is more on some big box bikes is because of the components put on the bikes. I am a Mountain Biker so I dont really know how much weight affects road bikes, but for what I can say about mtb carbon bikes from trek your getting so much more value for the cost than aluminum mtb
@@deadman5815 yes original owner. Stone kicked up on road and cracked frame between crank and BB. Trivial event. Denied warranty, Offered a reduction in price for replacement frame. 3 years after purchase. A big no thanks from me. Now have custom titanium bike (Baum). Done with replacing carbon frames. Getting too expensive.
I went through bikes like socks as a kid, almost 3 a year it seemed....walmart bikes yes, but I was a big kid and hard rider. Eventually around 8th grade my mom saved up and got me a Trek. It opened my eyes to what a 'real' bike and mountain bike should feel like surviving everything I threw at it for years until I inevitably outgrew it. Ive had a couple here and there but for a intermediate rider like myself, the Marlin and Roscoe are almost unmatched. Pricing them out, especially on sale, you're getting at least 15% of the parts are free.
Let me tell you a story I have a top of the Line Trek Carbon Mtn Bike and the frame broke. Trek replaced the whole bike and let me keep the parts . They basically gave me $4000 for free. I am so grateful. Don't ever disrespect Trek they are the best company with the best People and Best Warranty!
I have no interest in MTB and as a result I can’t speak to the design or quality. But, I keep hearing the same stories from TREK fans. “My bike was poorly made and/or badly designed and as a result it broke! But that’s ok because TREK know their bikes are unreliable and so they provide and excellent warranty.” Now this seems to me to be an odd perspective to have? Furthermore it doesn’t address any of the issues I pointed out with the bikes? 🤷🏻♂️
Santa cruz.
The replacement frame will be defective and will suffer the same result unless the design flaw has been corrected. Otherwise you would be going through this same process every year unless you suffer a incident because of this. Imagine if it was one of the front fork blades doing this!
@@brianlachapelle8757sorry I didn't make it clear they gave me a new bike. The bike is a gravel bike with disc brakes the old bike had rim brakes. No it won't suffer the same fate.
What are you a hater for? Do you work for Giant ?
As For the BB90 issue. It isn't that bad because the crank actually holds the bearing in. I've had no creaking , even riding in torrential rain, an occasional flood and light snow. Industrial bearings for winding towers are press fit. If you have a problem you will know pretty quickly . Haven't had a problem in 5 years.
I am a US veteran, and when I was in Iraq, fighting for my country, it was Trek that donated bikes for us to use. God bless Trek
Well to that I’d say:
Doesn’t make them good bikes just because the company gave some away.
And also: fighting for your country? How was Iraq a threat to the US exactly? You were fighting, but not to protect America that’s for sure.
you killed a lot of innocent ?
The punks in this comment section have no respect. Thank you for your service. I support Trek for the same reasons
@@alexm1841 and what about irakian civilians ??
@@reginaldscot165 I’m not even from the U.S. But to your disrespectful comment just shows your true character. Your attitude alone proves you’ll never grow mentality. I sincerely hope more people see this and avoid your channel at all costs. As well as riding in groups with you. You’ll be alone and angry at the world because there’s a big soggy chip stuck to your shoulder.
My madone is awesome. Trek customer service is the best I’ve ever experienced. I actually didn’t care which brand bike to buy when I decided to get a super bike. It wasn’t the bike that sold me, it was walking into the bike shop for the second time being welcomed by name. I’ve never had better customer service.
Customer service is very important. I my time in the Business I have found customers will buy anything if the salesman makes them feel good. 👍🏻
But not make me list everything wrong with the Mad-One. 😅
Ride safe!
So was mine, until it wasn't. Never going back
My local Trek store is also really top notch. Definitely one of the best bike shops in the area.
Absolutely. Unfortunately the Trek store in my city Hyderabad does not have good customer service. They are very money minded. Trek makes some great bikes but if the store selling them has poor customer service, it spoils the show.
I rented a Madone in Mallorca for a week. Best bike I’ve ever ridden and cheaper to buy than many I’ve bought over the years. Loved it.
Well, this 59 year old weekend warrior is enjoying his 2020 Domane SL5. Over the years I've upgraded the rims, bars and group set. In 3 years I have had none of the issues you have shown with the other bike fortunately. This is my first road bike as I am coming from a mountain bike background. I am in good shape from a lifetime of resistance training and taking care of myself. I ride 60-100 miles a week average during the season. Does my Domane weigh more than other bikes? I guess it does. For me though I feel like it's a small trade off for the ride I get on the bike. It does everything this new rider needs as far as comfort, stability, looks, etc.. Appreciate your humor but personally I have no axe to grind with Trek so far. I'll be sure to let you know if that changes. Lastly, I'm sure many concerned about the weight of any bike could stand to lose a few lbs. themselves if we were being totally honest.
Great comment!
Yes that’s true, but there is no feeling like riding a super light bike. My weight goes up and down, 71kg to 68kg depending on how close to a race I am. 😂
Safe riding! 🙂👍🏻
Coming from an MTB background. I'd suggest is why you see the benefits of the Domane' and rightly so. Spend enough time purely on a road bike especially one that's rim brake and built for hills and you'll see its night and day. The crux for me , is the price they sell these super "lightweight, super aero" bikes for. With so many design or QC issues.
And as a rider who also came from the mtb world.. I never experienced those same issues on an mtb of any price point.
@Advanced Driving you burn through much more calories and have bigger appetite - you eat more than you burn, that's why your weight is standing in place. You would need less sugars and calories to drop weight.. I dropped from 82-83 kg in Feburary to 69.4 kg in september... 71 now as I have a break from riding cuz of weather and eating more.
Jeffrey, I have the same model, same year. I have entertained the idea of upgrading rims. Which rims did you go for?
@@Adair9800 I have Bontrager Aeolus Pro 37 TLR rims. Very happy with them.
I own a Cervelo S3, a Cannondale Synapse and a Trek Madone. Without doubt my Trek is my go to bike. In the almost 5 years I've owned it, apart from general wear and tear on the drive train, it has not caused me any problems. It's comfortable and fast and I often get complimented on it. I previously owned an Emonda but, wanted something a bit quicker and it came with Di2 as standard. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one, I love it!
I think you would probably be disappointed with the newer one, bikes of 5 years ago are not the bikes of today. They have gotten a lot less simple, a lot heavier, a lot more expensive and probably a lot slower. 🤭
Thank you for the comment. 👍🏻🙂
I disagree with Reg. I live Trek. My Emonda SLR 7 with Ultegra was 7.3kg without pedals. It cost £5k in 2020. A lot of money before everything went stupid with Covid and inflation. My new Madone SLR is overweight at 8kg, with Ultegra Di2. But it rides beautifully and feels fast. I do understand that some makes give more value for money per pound in weight. However this is my hobby which I thoroughly enjoy with 5000 miles per annum across 3 or 4 bikes and 3 disciplines. The pure numbers do NOT tell the whole story.
@@sharpcsc998 I totally agree with you, I ride some10,000kms + each year and a fair chunk on my Madone. It's comfortable and fast (not he best climber!) but, it's my go to bike.
@@sharpcsc998 I have. 2018 Emonda, weighs a Lil over 17lbs with no accessories on it. This Reg guy is full of ish and probably a disgruntled ex Trek employee. These bikes are you doing the BUSINESS.
Chris Sharp - The gullible and easily marketed to fools will always believe their moronic purchases of silly priced cheaply made disposable CF junk framesets are great due to ego, placebo effect, and plain stupidity. 😀😆
I love my Trek Emonda SL6. Smooth and fast and doesn't feel too heavy. Just completed a very hilly race on it and did great on the climbs. For whatever reason most of the winning local cyclists are riding Trek!
I know someone who just came 5th in a KOM challenge race on a 8kg+ Mad-one. I believe if he had my bike (6.44kg) he might have done better. 🤭
I have the same bike 22 version. I upgraded from a Giant TCR. It's not as poppy on the climbs, but on the flats it's a beast compared to the TCR. I can also feel the stiffness on the bottom bracket compared to the TCR. Fantastic bike.
@@reginaldscot165 i havent ridden a new trek. i have a 2008 madone pro. It is 7.5kg (carbon frame/aluminium wheels) its fun and fast. Yes weight is a big factor in performance but so is tyre width and smoothness of ride. If your pedal stroke is interrupted by a bump in the road it can make you lose focus and lose the intensity in your performance so smoothness is an important factor too.
@@standardtuning4guitars423 Tires are about vibrations and not bumps. So please don't BS us.
Trek also has a lifetime warranty on the carbon frame.
I owned a Domane SL5, pretty good so far.. ridden many miles and very comfy. Now I have an Emonda SL9, love it as well. No problem at all, life time warranty for the frame if any defects. Weight wise for me, small matter, I'm not using it for competition nor I'm a cyclist athlete, the small weight differences won't cause catastrophes.
Great 👍🏻
Get off from the bike and on a couch if you think that the most important attribute of a road bike is "comfy". There is no such thing as a "comfy" road bike. It's for sports for Gods sake!
@@rosomak8244jeez man, you ok? What’s got you so angry dude?
@@Vartan297He’s angry because he rides an uncomfortable bike.😢. In every bike video there are commentators who should be riding a brand of bikes called Contrarian Bicycles.
Lifetime warranty on that frame, so in spite of your sarcasm, the bike frame will be replaced without any fuss. TREK is great about that. Just a bit of knowledge for you, TREK has over 100 engineers on the payroll and they really do there homework when designing and building product and as previously stated, standing behind their warranty 100%.
Well, they say too many cooks spoil the soup. Maybe it’s the same with TREK, I come from an Engineering background and quite frankly a lot of engineers question the TREK designs. As for the warranty, if that’s true okay then. However often by companies do try and get out of warranty commitments and if they built the bike well in the first place they would need replacement? The fact A bike has a good warranty doesn’t make it a good bike. 🙂
All the best and safe riding!
Warranty is great unless your out on a 200 mile ride with no support!! We had 1000 engineers on the space shuttle but we sure as hell didn’t want it to crack no matter how good the warranty after the failure.
@@ronbenjamin4351their isn’t even an argument. Shits going to happen sometimes.
@@ham7357 yep sometimes life gonna get ya no matter!!
I had a bontrager rim crack on me more then a year after i bought the bike... replaceed foe free with out question
I agree entirely. It's Russian roulette when it comes to buying a new bike. The shamefully poor quality control and idiotic engineering design; particularly with the so-called prestige brands can't get much worse. Or can it? I did a lot of research when I chose mine. Time alone will tell. But I strip it down, clean, inspect, grease and wax it after every handful of rides.
Yes indeed, that’s why I avoid playing the roulette with those Brand’s. I don’t feel they have the customer at heart?
You sound like you take good care of your bike! That’s a great habit to have.
Safe riding to you!
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Our local Specialized shop has an unconditional 30 day full refund policy. Unfortunately most any bike lasts 30 days. But at least you have a chance of finding a major issue and being sure it's a good fit. Expensive however.
Nice if you have the time. I own a 2015 Venge with zero issues. My bike gets full maintenance twice a year, which works out fine. Every handful of rides is a lot, but to each his own.
One of my bikes is a Trek Emonda SL6 from 2019 with Ultegra 11 speed, rim brakes and Hunt Race Aero Wide wheels. Weighs around 7.2kg from memory. I love it. Trek has now gone mad along with the whole bike industry. I agree with so much of what you say. Great videos! Keep them coming.
Rim for the win!
As an average rider. I still don't get why there's so many excuses for disc brakes. And I've poured over videos to see if there's any comparisons. Putting disc brakes vs aluminum rim braking. And haven't really seen any.
There are quite a few videos out. The disk brakes work better in wet conditions. The rims don’t wear out on disk wheels like they do with rim brakes.
@@dangurtler7177 The videos I've seen only make the comparison using carbon rim brakes. In which case you're right. However; most bikes sold at the time were aluminum rim brakes. And that's what I ride in the rain. And on hills. And I've never had a problem stopping or rims wearing out. Lastly let's come clean. Most people don't ride their shiny carbon disc road bikes in the rain.
@@Blah-blah-sure I still have alu rims with calipers on my road bikes. The bike I put the most miles on has V-brakes with alu rims, but the rims do wear out. I am down to my last wheel set for that one (it is mountain bike with 26" wheels, with skewers and they are UST which aren't made anymore.) I do have disk brakes on my 2015 Niner Air 9 RDO. I can't get wheels for that one either since they changed the length of the maxles (led by Trek as I recall).
I think the mountain and road frames are pretty good. The only drawback comes to price and if you can get a better deal assembling a bike yourself buying a raw frame of your choosing and the components when they all go on sale at the end of the year. You can also spec it exactly how you want that way. Trek uses a lot of bontrager parts which have various levels of quality
Nice comment, thanks! 👍🏻
Frames on sale ? Where, there are barely enough bikes and there is little value in building nowadays as framesets are too expensive
That's what I did. Built the bike myself to my spec...way cheaper and the exact way I want it.
I've done that many times, but lately that has not been easy. Bike prices are down, but the parts haven't fallen as much.
Titanium is much stronger than carbon, steel or aluminum for the same thickness.
Great video ❤. I recently bought a Lynskey R230 off a mate and totally satisfied. After having ridden steel, alloy and carbon over the last 40 yeara or so,really glad that this will my last bike ❤.
Loving your content for its honesty and common sense approach to cycling.
Thank you kindly. 🙏🏻
Work stand clamping has never been an issue with the standard seat mast. Plenty of space with various brands/clamps. The frame isn’t heavy, the components are. The Emonda is still one of the most responsive so it all bikes going. It’s more Aero than people give it credit for, whilst it climbs exceptionally still despite having rim Emondas which weigh over a kilo less. Sram Rival and the alloy cockpit let you down weight wise.
The Domane cracking isn’t something I’ve ever seen myself as a Trek dealer. Isospeed can be problematic, I agree there. Weight is not the focus on a Domane it’s strictly geometry and clearance.
Who compares a Domane to a 25mm max clearance titanium rim brake bike. If you’re talking about longevity then the same applies to any Carbon bike from any brand against titanium as a material itself.
That crack looks self inflicted. The tubing shape internally is a lot more thought out than you’re giving it credit for. It’s not simply a case of double thickness in one place and thin walls in another.
Couldn’t agree less with your video personally. I’m head mechanic/manager for an independent long term Trek Dealer up until late last year and have no bias whatsoever towards the brand. Just have simply seen more than them inside and out than most ever will. I own an Emonda myself, and it’s one of my favourite bikes currently and of all time. Trek has many issues, but these are not exclusive to Trek. Rather quite the opposite with them bringing consistently performing bikes out for the last however long.
The seatpost clamp is a terrible design, even if you deny the problems with clamping a much larger tube that has a clamp halfway up the mast (especially difficult when the rider is short and you have limited space.) you have to acknowledge the stupidity of the design.
It doesn’t drop as Low and a traditional seatpost.
It’s more expensive.
It’s harder to get parts for because it’s unique to TREK.
It doesn’t allow for after market/other Brand components.
The clamp only fits aluminium rails, if you want a carbon rail saddle you have to buy extra over priced clamps.
If you snap the seatpost you need to buy a new frame!
It was done for only one reason, it’s not better in ANY WAY to a traditional seatpost, it was only done to make TREK more money. For that one thing alone TREK need to be criticised and avoided as a company.
Yes the components are heavy, if you remember in the video I criticised “modern carbon bikes” for this reason in general. However, out of all the carbon mass production rubbish that comes through my workshop TREK are consistently the heaviest. Giant for example are cheaper and lighter. Not that I’d buy a Giant, I’m just stating facts.
Yes titanium as a material is superior to carbon for bike frames. I agree with you there. Also yes you only need 25mm tyres on a Ti bike to get the same comfort on a carbon bike with much bigger tyres. I run 23s on my Ti bike and happily ride 200km in a day with no I’ll effects. Where as my friends on carbon and aluminium with 28mm tyres are complaining bitterly by the 160km mark.
The customer said they didn’t damage the bike themselves. Why would they lie to me? I’m not a TREK dealer? I’m not responsible for the frame warranty, so what would be the point to lie to me? They said they didn’t cause the crack so I believe them. Therefore it is more likely to be a frame defect, in quality or design or both.
The fact you are a TREK dealer makes your comment a little less credible, however I can be blamed for the same bias with the products I choose to sell.
The simple fact is, if I had $7k to spend on a bike, even if I was dumb enough to buy a mass production carbon bike… it wouldn’t be a TREK.
Thank you for your long comment, I appreciate the time you took to offer your options.
All the best,
Reg.
@@reginaldscot165 Some Giant bikes have a seat post that has to be cut (which is permanent) to adjust saddle height. I don’t see you criticising Giant or Specialised.
I’m 58 and have a Domane S5 full carbon. Love it! No issues looks amazing Ferrari Red and Matte Black Accents. The only thing I have done is replaced my stock wheels with carbon fiber aero wheels. I ride during the season around 100 miles a week not much but I love my Trek! 11/15/24 update. Just bought a Madone SL6 Gen 8 Matte Black love it!
Cool 👍🏻
Hi Reginald I’m fortunate to own quite a few bikes one of which is my 2020 Domane SL5. Many thousands of km on it with no issues. It is my go to comfort bike. In the almost 3 years I’ve upgraded it so ready to ride is 8 kilos. It’s fun to ride. I own a couple Italian superbikes that are lighter and faster but I still like my Domane.
Great! As long as it works for you and you are happy that’s the main thing.
However, I bet I could find you another bike in the same price range you would like better given the opportunity. 😉
Happy and safe riding to you!
It should be 8kg without needing any upgrades.
Hi Steven, seems like u know a lot abt bikes. I a beginner and want to buy cheap used road bike in fb or ebay so i would really like ur help.
@@szmal1234 Negative. There are many other things to consider with a comfort bike not weight related. If you want light weight, go to a bike designed for light weight. Also, I have a Trek Boone. It weighs in at 14.9 pounds. With all the lightest stuff you can get, even tubulars. I suppose the wheels could be lighter, as they are 1380 grams..... But still, thats not heavy at all for wheels. To complain about 8 kilos is pathetic. Or 10. A light XC bike with 2.3 tires on it comes in around 22 to 23 pounds, if its decent at all. Weight isnt the biggest concern with a Trek. Ride features are. Since they dont specialize in Titanium, They gotta work with what theyve got.
You had to upgrade to get to 8kgs after paying that price? ROTFLMFAO. Fools abound. 😀😆
Just went thru this journey. So sick of the bike industry. Made the mistake of buying a Trek Madone 9 - cracked within a couple of years. BMC SLR01 - now can't get replacement parts due to bespoke seat clamps etc - running on borrowed time. Finally decided to buy a titanium bicycle with standard components (which can be replaced) and custom build geometry (Baum) - couldn't be happier. With me for life 👍
That’s what I’ve been telling people. (Hardly anyone listens) 🤭
Good for you sir! All the best and safe riding!
Should be replaced under warranty? I'd agree Ti is more resistant to abuse however.
The journey from marketed plastic that gets replaced every few years to buying a frame that actually holds its own for over a decade...Titanium or steel...pick your preference.
Whoa. That must have cost a very pretty penny, but I commend you on your choice. Baum Ti bikes are very, very highly regarded.
I checked them out, nice bikes but really expensive.
Kestrel Legend SL with SRAM Red @ 6.49kg here. Best all around bike I've ever ridden, 5 plus years of riding and the frame shows no signs of quitting.
Excellent! I do love me a light bike. I just got my size ML Litespeed Titanium bike down to 6.44kg with SRAM Red. Best group set out there in my opinion.
Happy safe riding to you! 🙂👍🏻
Have a madone...best bike ever. Super comfortable and the company is amazing to work with....had an issue with the seat region - warranty fixed no questions. Simply surreal level of service. I'd by a trek over any other bike and I've had a lot...the closest thing to Trek is Seven in terms of service.
Noted, it depends what you value. If it’s an SL6 Mad-One then the “comfort” via the iso system comes at a sacrifice. 1) it makes it the heaviest pro tour carbon bike of my lifetime. 2) it makes it hard to service. 3) it has serious in-built obsolescence.
The customer service regarding the warranty might be great, but a trend in the comments is see all the time is people saying “TREK is great because when my poorly made TREK bike was faulty they gave me a new one.” This kind of proves my point, if they were “good bikes” why do so many people need to return them because of manufacturing defects? 🙂
I had a Trek Emonda a few years ago which developed a crack from a crash that was found during a yearly service. Trek upgraded me with a brand new frame, no questions asked. Best warranty in the business. I ride a BMC Team Machine SLR01 Disc these days, which i love, but i loved my Trek.
Nice 👌🏻
I would to get new bike but I am not sure to get trek or bmc or scott.. what do you advice me
Same here. Found crack in the top tube of my four-year old Domane. Took it to the local Trek store. Received a replacement frameset (not the latest version, but two years newer than mine), no questions asked. Even had it painted to my specifications (Project One.)
20,000+ miles on my '18 Trek Emonda SLR6. Weighs 15lbs (6.8kg) Still enjoy it. Zero problems. If you weigh bike I'd suggest leaving pedals and bottle cages off for apples to apples comparison. Trek frames have lifetime warranty to original owner.
I’m sure the older ones were better, the new ones suck. No way you getting this bike to 6.8 without spending an extra 15k.
Disc brakes add a pound. SL carbon bikes are another pound heavier than SLR carbon frames. I bought my bike for $2K used and keep it due to it's low weight but I don't have disc brakes or electronic shifting. To get a new Trek with the new tech. and lighter weight you are up to $12,500 Emonda SLR 9 at 14.82lbs. See why I'll keep mine.
@FamilytripsNevents - if you ask me, disc brakes aren't worth it. They are very costly to maintain, they can seize up going down a hill, you need to protect them during transportation, among other issues. If people prefer to go that route, I wouldn't stand in their way. I prefer the old fashioned rim brakes. There's more advantages to them than having disc brakes. Disc brakes look good, but I feel they aren't as spectacular as people make them out to be.
Um, Trek wasn't making Emondas in '08. But I get your point. I took an Emonda SLR for an extended test ride when they first came out. My impression? Just like my '12 Madone, but a little lighter and stiffer.
Correction '18. @@monkmchorning
10.28kg for the Domane truly is insane, how could they make a carbon bike so heavy? My friends new entry level Sora Aluminium bike from Decathlon weighs as much.
I know it’s crazy. I love the Decathlon bikes I had in the past. They made fantastic commuting bikes! ❤️
10.28 must be a low spec bike. I have a 2018 that's only 17.5 lbs. 10.28 isn't pro spec.
An Aero bike is faster than a light bike everywhere else but up a hill. Even then only a little.
My Aluminium Domane AL2 is 10kg with Claris so how they’ve managed to make a carbon bike that heavy is beyond me
Old school is the cool school. External cable routing is where it’s at. It’s why I fabricate my own frames. Ti is a tricky beast tho…
You are definitely on the same page as me… also you make your own frames? Oh I’m very impressed and jealous as well! 😍
Everyone has their experiences and opinions. As a racing family with lots of Trek mountain bikes, we have had nothing but great experiences with Trek and the bike store that sells Trek. Trek has also been easy to deal with and very fair about their warranty. I can say no such good things about the big "S". Our criteria may be different though. If they break we fix them, and I couldn't tell you the weight of any of them beyond "competitive" in the market. I'm sorry your stuff broke, I hope you get it sorted.
I hear some good things about the MTB side of TREK. Being a pure roadie I can’t comment other than as more MTB technology ends up on road bikes the worst they seem to get for us.
Stay safe and happy riding!
I have had 3 Trek bikes. I now have a Trek Verve EBike. I’ve biked for 78 years and am hoping to continue into my 9th decade. Also hand a great Specialized hybrid which was marvellous.
This is why I prefer steel bikes. They are definitely heavier but they have good longevity. My shop carries Daccordi for this reason. Hand made Italian Steel Bikes. Great video
My steel bike is lighter! Ha ha that’s what’s so amazing. I have a friend who has a carbon Scott Foil in the same size as my steel with carbon wheels and my steel with aluminium rims is still lighter. 😂
I look at people who by modern carbon bikes like they are crazy! 😄
no one in their right mind is going to go into steel frames if they want to stay competivie
@@se7ensnakes this is why I personally own (in my multiple bike collection) a carbon fiber Pinarello. The numbers are definitely better and noticeable. However, I also do bike touring and I ride in bad weather (Florida is unpredictable) so my ride of choice most of the time is a steel bike
@@reginaldscot165 I think they’re all great but yes I much prefer steel for comfort and longevity. I’ve had carbon fiber frames break and chip
Steel bikes with rim brakes are lighter than carbon disk brake bikes. And more fun and comfortable to ride.
Trek bikes are EXCELLENT in my opinion but 8.8kg is on the heavy side. The BB90s were very problematic too, but I think they no longer use that BB standard any more.
I love this comment. I might start doing comments of the week and this would be in episode 1! 🤭
“TREK bikes are Great!” Proceeds to mention 2 negative things about them and nothing positive. 😂
Cracked me up! Super comment! 👍🏻🙂
EXCELLENT
@@reginaldscot165 to be fair he said they were great not perfect.
I own two Trek bicycles. A 2000 (something) 8000 SL hardtail and a 2003 5900 with 11 speed r8000 setup. They are both awesome and the frames have stood the test of time. 5900 at under 16 lbs is not only super light, it's strong, fast and climbs with the best of them. Consider too, Trek backs up their bikes with an outstanding warranty. My favorite bikes.
I still think they (the road bikes) suck. 🤔 The argument of (will I like them) doesn’t do anything to address the weigh and the cost and the clearly poor design choices. 🤷🏻♂️
Sorry and ride safe! 🙏🏻❤️
Another point on these new carbon bikes with disc brakes few people mention is that disc brake bikes are simply heavier, so to try and compensate for the extra weight manufacturers make carbon frames as thin and lite as possible which makes them more flexy and unreliable. Unlike in the early 2000's carbon bikes you can now squeeze the tubes with your fingers and watch them bend.
That’s very true! Try squeezing the top tube on my titanium or steel bike… 😄
Thanks for your comment!
It’s true, but there are plenty of carbon disc bikes that are kilos lighter than the equivalent trek bikes. Trek bikes are heavy AF
@@TheMattist Honestly I'd prefer a heavier bike that rides better and is more durable.
@@treygray2817 I believe this video is trying to say that heavier does not equal more durable. Titanium would be the gold standard for durability
@@TheMattist Really? Over steel?
Thank you saved the Rim brake! Can't wait to see the industry do the U turn just like they did with PF BB
Yes… that would be nice. My titanium bike has a PF30 BB… no problems at all… but that’s because it’s not carbon. 🤭
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Wait, do you literally think the industry is going to go back to rim brakes from disc? 😂
Just got me a new Trek "Mad-One" SLR 9 alongside my Trek Emonda SLR 9 (6.8kg) both of which I got at more than half-off though (the entire set) so I'm not complaining at all. If I had to buy them all myself.. Well, maybe I'd be looking at other brands! But something to take note of some people finds more price value in the larger name brands, good service, and warranties, which sadly lots of the cheaper options can't offer. I see a lot of your comments and replies putting down people's opinions and positive thoughts toward Trek. Some people, like myself, aren't bike mechanics and just want a reliable brand as well as are willing to pay the premium for the brand as well as the product assurance. No need to criticize anyone's personal preferences, opinions, or reasons of value.
Ok so a lot to break down here. I will start with the Accusation of my replies “putting down peoples opinions and positive thoughts towards TREK.” I don’t know what comments you have been reading, I’m normally very positive towards everyone in the replies. I basically reflect the energy I’m given. If someone says something like “I love my TREK” my normal response is “that’s great I’m glad you like it and it works for you.” If they say something like “you are stupid TREK is the best” then yeah I’m going to send back some of that negativity.
The video is Why I wouldn’t buy one, not why you shouldn’t, I’m just giving the facts as they are president to me from the reality is see with my own eyes. Now if someone comes at me hard and says a load of BS well I’m going to point out where that are mistaken.
That brings me onto your next point, “some people finds more price value in the larger name brands…” That might be true and in my video I don’t mention that or dispute that. However, 2 things, just because an individual sees value in something doesn’t mean it inherently has value. For example, gold has value. If you see the value in gold or not doesn’t change its value. Toenail clippings don’t have value, even if you as an individual think they do, you would still be mistaken. The same reasoning can be applied to anything.
Just because they see value in TREK doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be happier and better off with another option if someone like me helped them by pointing that out. I don’t understand this level of religions brand loyalty that extends beyond argument or reasoning. If there are better alternatives why shouldn’t that be discussed.
Finally you admit, (perhaps too honestly) that you didn’t pay full price for your bikes? (Less than half?) So to you they seem fantastic but you also admit you would consider other options if it was your money… and that is the point of the video. To make people consider other options.
@@reginaldscot165 Actually, gold doesn't have any inherent value. Its value is based upon our assigning value to it, which is what LoganBeck was saying about what one values in buying a bike. There's more to the experience of owning and riding a bike than just weight and cost, but I do appreciate you providing your reasoning for what constitutes a good value and the other options available.
Actually gold does have inherent value, that’s why I picked gold. (You might be confused with diamonds that are basically worthless but their Scarcity is strictly controlled.) Gold on the other hand is totally essential for the production of all our modern electronics. Without it we wouldn’t have computers, or smart phones or robots or almost anything that runs on electricity. Yes it’s also used for jewellery but if you look at the price of gold over the last 100 years you will see we depend on it now more than ever even though most countries got rid of their gold stocks in the 1960s-70s.
I’m not much of a roadie, primarily ride a mtb. 10kg seems shockingly heavy for a carbon road bike though. I have a full suspension Ibis Mojo SLR mtb that weighs in right around 10kg. I know that’s light for a mtb, but never imagined a decent carbon road bike could weigh as much.
Yes it’s nuts! Basically the industry keeps putting MTB tech on our road bikes and personally I hate it!
Thank you for your comment!
Still loving my 2009 Ti bike. With pedals, bottle cages and Garmin mount, full Ultegra and alloy rims built on Hope hubs it weighs 8.2kg
Nice! Yes this channel is rapidly becoming dedicated to telling people to buy titanium bikes. They really are totally underrated as an option.
Safe riding!
I really love my TREK duosport 3 fully equipped.
Before this one i had a TREK T100, a great Bike to.....i really recommend a TREK
Great 👍🏻 🙂
Hello, fellow Trek dealer! I haven't seen anything like that on our bikes, but yeah, seems like the design issue. Or manufacturing issue. It's hard to say for sure other than that is not rider's fault. What many people don't seem to grasp is that most of the time it's the manufacturer (this time - the factory where the frame was made) who determines the layup, not the engineer, who have designed the frame. Engineers, who do all these CAD drawings, don't have the control over how to layup the fiber cloth into the mold. That adds up to the sheer clusterfuсk we have today in the cycling biz.
This being said, I ride vintage Italian steel: Olmo, Colnago, Vicini. Always happy. The ride feel, the grip (flexy steel grips better than these ultra-stiff racing sleds!), the ease of maintenance... 80's-early 90's were the peak of cycling perfection.
Love your sarcasm, mate!
I like/agree with your last paragraph, you are correct, a flexible steel frame will grip the road better than a stiff carbon frame, especially a disc frame. 🙂👍🏻
Personal opinion/choice is no problem. But there's definitely a tons of reason why Trek is universaly considered as the industry leader in high performance bikes road and Mt. Your complaint is just about the weight because of the Components build well that depends on the Components. 7.4-7.9kg for an aero road bike is definitely enough for what i know and ask on my roadie friends. But talking about me I'm a mtbiker and i use plenty of mtbikes to know which is better for long term use(mine and borrowed/demo for testing) and in the end i always prefer trek overall cause of solid reasons, my personal bikes are also trek and some of my mates switch to trek after realizing it has better (overall quality, perfomance, Warranty). Speaking of build bikes on MTB category trek is definitely one of the best when it comes to complete built bikes on every price category it's very cost effective, but the heart of the bikes the frame all the proprietary tech trek put into it is phenomenal😃👍.
I know nothing of MTB so I can’t comment on that.
I’d not heard TREK was an “industry leader” in anything? Maybe the worlds heaviest bikes for the highest price? 🤭 But I will look into that. My complaint isn’t just about weight…. I also mentioned poor design, quality, durability and reliability.
All the best and safe riding! ❤️
Yep, I'm not a Trek guy, but I've got no problem with different opinions. I don't think they lead MTB in any way, but they're no slouch, that's for sure.
I ride an 11 kilo bike from year 2005. Never felt if I am riding something heavy but riding a bike 3 kilo less heavy would be so much fun, especially accelerating fast.
You are not wrong! I LOVE my light bike. At 6.44kg I sprint up hill like I’m on a flat road. 😍
Hope you get the bike of your dreams one day! Safe riding!
Titanium bikes are like the PC master race when discussing gaming. It’s cheating, 😂. But I see your point. I have a Motobecane Le Champion Ti, and though it’s the minor leagues compared to a LiteSpeed or Moots, it’s still pretty darn good at about 8.5kg for $600 in 2017. I’m working on a ‘21 Madone build, so I guess I’ll get the Trek road experience firsthand. I’ve owned 3 Trek 29ers, all my favorite bikes at the time.
Yes I’m very much in love with titanium. Wonderful material for bikes.
Wait. How big are the jaws of your repair stand? Lol. Never heard that one before that the seatpost clamp is in the way for clamping.
Standard size. Perhaps it depends on the size of the post/rider but it always ends up blocking one side of the rubber pads…. It’s a dumb design anyway. Re-inventing the wheel.
I just have aluminum frames so I can drop it all over the place.
Smart move 👍🏻
This guy knows what's up. 👍👍
You're aware that Aluminium cracks, right?
not as easy as carbon
Does your customer know that you were roasting him in a UA-cam vid?
He knows how I feel, I’m very open with people. 😅
I am picking up my new Madone soon, will let everyone know if the seat breaks.
I went with Trek primarily because of their customer service and warranty. Pretty much all modern bikes are now are priced insanely high, I think most people have to come to terms with that (especially the rim brake enthusiasts). Sure 3-4 years ago you could get a top spec bike in the 6-8k range but the manufacturers have adjusted the price for whatever reason whether it's following the industry trend, limited supplies because of covid, taking advantage of the niche market, complexity of parts, r&d/ad costs, etc.
To add when I spec out the bike compared to similar bikes from Canyon, Giant, Cervelo, and Specialized.. they were all very close in pricing. Giant obviously being almost $700-800 cheaper, however, when you factor customer service, warranty, proximity of stores, etc. and superficial stuff like paint schemes .. the difference is negligible.
The problem is you are stuck in the Mainstream carbon mindset.
If you get away from the Big Brand’s and look wider (especially in metal frames) you will find bikes that are not only cheaper and better designed but also lighter.
The price they ask for the Mad-One is a joke on anyone willing to pay it. They are so cheap to make in Asia it’s unreal. But as long as you are willing to pay the price will keep going up.
Happy riding! 👍🏻🙂
@@reginaldscot165 That Domane is almost as heavy as my $750USD (new) entry endurance aluminum with a freaking steel fork, 3x Claris, and Gatorskins. Half kilo difference...
@@cjohnson3836 that’s simply amazing when you think about it! 🤭
@@reginaldscot165 and I was thinking on selling my 2013 Madone and my 2021 Giant TCR Advanced to obtain some money to buy the new Madone, but the price is out of my range. You’re right, the price is a joke, specially for cycling fans like me who are not pros.
Manufactured race boats my whole life, you are correct about the heavy-light and flex where they crack. We always run layers past each other so we don't have a thick thin transition.
Nice to hear some real life experience backing up my thoughts. Thanks! 🙂👍🏻
Interesting about the cracked bottom tube ...I own a Giant Defy and an Avanti Corsa, both mid range bikes, but I know that GIANT guarantee their frames for life against cracking, providing the bike hasnt been in a crash. WOULD be surprised if Trek didnt do the same.?
A lot of people say that have a good warranty. That’s just tells me a lot of people needed it.
It’s kind of like “better to ask forgiveness than permission” style of bike manufacturer. 😂
I actually have had two Trek MTB frames replaced in the last 20 years under Trek lifetime warranty. One was a complete POS noodle, an early Fuel 100. They replaced it with a newer much better model. Another was a Superfly 100 that just would not stop creaking. They also replaced the entire frame with an upgraded full carbon back triangle. No charge. And I did thrash those bikes. So I was actually happy to have them replaced with upgrades.
Please I invested on the trek bike but my money has not reflected in my account since yesterday…so pls do something about it for us please..we are plenty facing the same issue
Sorry to hear that, hopefully you get it sorted out. 🤔
Such on point your video. After many years of top of the line carbon bikes I ended up getting a Litespeed Cherhoala with two sets of the exact same 303 s wheels. Gravel tires and road tires! Pure Bliss.
Big brain move Sir! Litespeed titanium is always a smart choice. 👍🏻
how are you enjoying your Cherhoala? Did you consider getting a Watia?
I only ride Trek. I recently visited and toured the Trek HQ in Wisconsin when I was in town for Ironman 70.3 Wisconsin 2024. I got to see where they assemble and do custom paint for the Project One bikes. Fantastic Company. Love my Trek Cross Rip, Trek Marlin, and Gen 7 Trek Madone SLR. I was MAD to buy that MAD ONE! Love it. Take my money Trek!
Well, yeah… if you are Mad not much point in arguing about it is there. Arguing with a crazy person will make you both crazy. 😂
@reginaldscot165 wearing my Trek t-shirt too. 🤣
A huge fan of Trek. If I could afford one, I would own one
Cool
Say why you're a fan, WHY do you aspire to buy one?
Does the Litespeed frame have a cubby-hole? I rest my case.
*Mic 🎤 drop* 😂
I started out with treks. The last one I had was a Emonda. It was really heavy and I love to climb all the time and do long rides. Went to w giant dealerships and bought a TCR that weighs a lot less and I find it to be a more comfortable ride. The Emonda sits on the trainer. It’s behind my TCR and cervelo R3 as bikes to ride by preference
Yes the TCR is one of the better carbon bikes IMO. 🙂
Giant TCR is still the gold standard of road bikes. I love mine! I tried a lot of the mainstream brand: Specialized Tarmac, Trek Madone, Cannondale SuperSix Evo, BMC Team Machine. I keep going back to TCR. I love its stiffness and comfort at the same time. So explosive and a great climber. I’m riding a 2022 Giant TCR Advanced Pro 0 Disc AR with SRAM Force right now. It’s amazing.
@@basstheangelo I also have a TCR Advanced 1 Disc Pro Compact but first time I've seen AR in the name of one of the models, what does it mean?
Pretty funny on the humor, although not all treks are built the same, my 2019 Domane SLR size 54 weighs 15 lbs 6.9 kg with pedals, bottle cages and computer mount. Love it, just love it.
Yes the older the Trek the better. 🤭
I appreciate this video. I feel like I'm getting the straight story and not a lot of hype.
That’s me all over… straight and no hype. 😂👍🏻
My Argon 18 Gallium Pro, 10 Speed Campagnolo record, with bottle cages and computer mounts and sensors, rim brake.....7.2 KG....LUV IT!!!
Nice 😎👌🏻
My (rim brake) Trek Émonda ALR 5 is 6.9 kg *fully* kitted out, and when building it myself it cost me maybe 4 grand, but that was before prices went up like crazy. My heavily tuned (rim brake) Trek Boone (cyclocross bike) weighs 7.5 kg in road trim. I'd say being heavy weight is not about the frame or even the manufacturer.
Good comment about the "hole" in the Domane though. Was tempted to get one because of that feature.
Yes the rim bikes were significantly lighter. 👍🏻🙂
@@reginaldscot165and significally less effective. Especially for a heavy 100 kg rider like me.
Not even mention riding it in the winter or on long rides.
I totally agree with your crack analysis. Seen the same problem on wood outboard race boats where the stringers (somewhat flexible) would tie into a main rib(very stiff). The stringers would crack/break next to the rib. We had to put a 6 inch plywood gusset where the stringer ties in with the rib to help spread the load. I don't think the Treks whole down tube needs to be strengthened but just needs a 6 inch transition area. That tiny storage area was probably some managers great idea that they forces on to engineering and now look at the mess their in!😂
Thank you for your analysis. 🙂👍🏻
If I could buy any bike brand new today it would be a Litespeed. Titanium is basically the master race of bike frames and I honestly dont know why more people dont ride them. Carbon has some great qualities but it's also brittle to certain stresses and subject to huge variations in manufacturing quality. Plus, companies like Litespeed are not so big that they have lost QC and attention to detail.
I couldn’t agree more, everyone I know who bought a Litespeed couldn’t be happier, including myself.
Safe riding!
Titanium bikes are noodles. A carbon bike can be engineered to be rigid with respect to torque forces into the bottom bracket under power yet still compliant vertically for ride comfort. I rode an early Trek OCLV 90s and it was brutal. Then a Serotta Ti which I believed to be the holy grail for 10 years. In 2017 a new Trek Emonda proved that the new Carbon frames make Ti a joke for serious performance. The newer 2019 Domane SLR is better in every category. Ti might be better for durability but after 40k miles the Trek still has no issues. The proof is in riding. Not just once but repeatedly over the same routes many times. I have years of experience on both bikes and Ti is just an overpriced myth. Much like a Brooks saddle, which works great for a certain type of rider. What makes you happy is all that matters but without personal experience it's impossible to know the truth.
@@frankiebguitar I have experience from 4 titanium bikes of different geometry, 2 steel bikes of different geometry and a few carbon bikes.
Carbon is hands down the king of stiff performance no question. If you are competitive go carbon and don't look back.
Now for titanium, all 4 of my bikes are different. I will say that custom geometry makes all the difference and the skill of the builder. I have an older Guru praemio ti bike that's custom built to be stiff. Let me tell you it's so stiff that it borders harsh aluminum with the compliance of carbon. I am over 80kg and the frame does not flex sprinting up hills. It's super light 7kg with pedals.
Titanium can be stiff with the right frame builder. It's not the materials it's the design and geometry.
Carbon is king for both weight and stiffness but don't say titanium can't be near as stiff as carbon.
Steel for me. Nothing touches a quality steel frame. I’m getting old. Lol. Gravel now and no more road. Shrug.
Because it's still not possible to fine tune material like titanium the way you can carbon. You can't make it aero because it's hard to work with and welds are very unaerodynamic. Plus carbon is lighter
I have a 2010 Specialized Roubaix Elite carbon fiber frame still going strong. Full Dura Ace 10 sp including wheels, weighs in at 7.7 kg with pedals.
1 year out of a frame is an epic fail. I wonder if the frame crack is a common or special issue for Trek.
I like the Litespeed.
I wonder the same. Thanks for your comment 🙂👍🏻
I've had awesome experiences with Trek. Great service. Great company. Great bikes.
Great. 👍🏻 Maybe has more to do with your relationship with your LBS than the brand? Just a theory. 🙂
Go work for them and see how “great” they treat you.
My 2015 Giant Propel Advanced 1 with Shimano RS10 wheelset that I bought for $2,700 NZD in 2015 weighed 8.8 kilogrammes. The wheelset cost me $215. I'd also fitted it with a Roadlink and a Shimano XT 11-40 cassette.
Excellent 👌🏻
that crack looks like a classic dropping of a water bottle onto the drop tube. I agree absolutely though with your thoughts on the tube storage - certainly such a change in the tube would make that area a risky point.
TBH I wouldn't feel comfortable riding that bike with that crack in the down tube; a failing downtube at 70kph is a bad day.
A plastic water bottle dropped onto the carbon bike cracked it? I knew carbon was rubbish but I had no idea it was that bad! 😂
Yeah me neither, too risky.
Great comment! 👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165 you are taking the piss of us carbon bike owners,arent you?
You left out local shop support availability. How many shops for these small brands are available globally? Being able to walk into a shop for parts and service is a benefit to many riders.
Yes that’s true, if you have a TREK you can only buy TREK seat post and so on. So if you don’t live near a TREK shop you have a problem. If you have a normal bike (like my Cinelli or Litespeed) you can fit many stem, bar, seat post, BB from 100s of after market brands no problem. 🙂👍🏻
Good point!
@Reginald Scot the components on a Trek are the same as any other bike and seat posts on quite a few road bike brands are proprietary. I'm guessing you are ass hurt that Trek wouldn't sponsor you so now your stuck with the little brand to schill for. So sad. 😔
@Reginald Scot and so when my litespeed needs a derailleur hanger how many shops worldwide can I walk into and purchase it from?
Love the sarcasm. Also dislike trek bikes. Overpriced heavy junk.
Thank you, yes that seems to be the situation with the majority of their bikes. 🤷🏻♂️
Safe riding.
I have 2 Treks. A Madone SLR8 @ 7.6 kg and an Emonda SLR 8 @ 6.8 kg ... Both weighed with pedals. Both are tough as old boots and both are rim brakes. Most tubes flex laterally very little on bikes. The down tube is prmarily in tension and carbon is at its best in tension. Highly unlikely that the frame just cracked due to normal loading. Carbon does not really fatigue either, so its either a manufacturing flaw or it has had a serious knock or a squeeze. Agree with your take on endurance bikes, easy simple maintenance a big plus.
Rim brakes 👈🏻👍🏻
Trek warranty is incomparable!
I haven’t seen trek customer’s unsatisfied
Seems yours is a unique case
But thanks for sharing now understand Trek bikes may also break down
Yes I hear the warranty is good… perhaps a sign that you will need it at some point. 🤭
“Each to their own” as some people say…
(Not me)
Thanks for your comment and safe riding! 👍🏻
LOL. Just another cheaply fabricated stock CF cookie cutter frameset being sold for a silly price and mark up to the gullible and easily marketed to. That pretty much sums up Trek, Giant, Specialized and all the other similar CF cookie cutter framesets out there that pros are paid (bribed) to ride before they dispose of said junk each season multiple times. 😀😀
the particular experiency of this man is not detterminant to trek quality
Interesting crack and think it was a defect in that area since it happened so young. So did Trek replace the Domane frame under warranty?
why would a company set on making money make a warranty they expect their customers to use? Now I know you can't make a logical point @@reginaldscot165
I have a 2006 Orbea Orca and other than the clear coat peeling here and there the frame has been solid for 18+ years. I'm running mechanical Sram Red on it and it's been fine. Just did a 2:45:00 100km ride the other weekend on it. I've been looking at a 2016 Trek Madone 9H2 with mechanical Ultegra - not sure if I should!?
Most Older bikes tend to be better. 🤔
Hi and greetings to you! Just stumbled upon your channel and I agree with you that I wont buy another bike from Trek anymore. I owned Domane AL4 that comes at 10.5kg and managed to change several components and down to around 9.2kg. After seeing the carbon Domane 's weight plus other serious issues like frame crack, I'm glad I only paid for AL4 (but still pricy for its weight and probably my second hand bike I purchased thru Marketplace - Focus Culebro 2013 way lighter and cheaper too!) Lastly keep up with your content and looking forward to view more! Cheers.
Thank you so much for the lovely comment. Sounds like you made some great choices and I hope you subscribe for more videos!
All the best buddy! 👍🏻
My 58cm gen 4 Domane with Ultegra R8100 and Hubt 50!section carbon wheels weighs 8.2kg. My son’s four year old 56 Emonda with 105 R7000 and Hunt alu wheels weighs 8.4kg. The weights of your bikes therefore surprise me.
Not my bikes thankfully 😁
@@reginaldscot165 I just weighed my winter bike (Domane SL5 gen 3 with the Paradigm wheels. With the 900g Bontrager RCS fenders, it weighs 9.93kg.
Great video Reginald
Agree with your opinion.
If pros don’t use the same bike for more than a season why would we expect it to be any different when the same bike is being sold to the general public.
All the best.
Yes that’s a good point actually, 1 year is all they use it for. I suppose it’s ok if you can afford to replace the bike every year. 😅
Well.... the reason is they are always advertising the latest model.
@@reginaldscot165 except many of my customers have season after season after season after season on Treks. One has over 25,000 miles on the exact Domane frame you attempted to roast with no issues on rough New England roads. I have the same frame. I use it for long rides and gravel rides and often use it on trails. I'm 200lbs. Zero issues. If I do have an issue, zero worries. Trek has my back.
I have an 2013 Madone 5.2, I just bought it a month ago and with some changes (seat, wheels and handlebar all in carbon) the result was better than a new and expensive bike.
Yes indeed, for carbon bikes second hand is definitely the way to go. You can get $4000 bikes for 1k! And they are in good condition sometimes.
Ride safe! 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 This is the real truth
My Trek 1.1 entry level aluminium bike weight less lol, 8.6kg without exotic carbon things
Yes it’s funny how they manage to make the carbon ones so bloody heavy! 😂
Customer might not have dropped it, but the paint chip would seem to indicate some kind of impact. Stress fracture wouldn’t look like that.
Are you sure about that? I’ve seen paint chip off plenty of cracks. 🙂
been wanting to buy a new bike for over a yr now but hard to justify spending alot of money when my current bike is 7.2kg with pedals
Ha ha yeah… not much nowadays makes me want to part with my money. The only thing I like to do is upgrade the bikes I ride already.
I purchased a Trek Domane SL3 a year or two ago and have used it lightly, I’m used to cycling heavier bikes that are in the beginner or starter category under £1000, I really enjoy the Trek, it’s lightweight was awkward for me to adjust too, but it’s a really nice way to travel…purchasing stuff is subjective, if you learn about specifications and understand your needs then you’re more likely to make a decent investment…I had the opportunity to size my bike instore and that was helpful too…I would buy another Trek for myself or take someone to a store to see if it’s what they might like…i add extra weight to the bike with the security locks and chains I carry - that helps too…lol😇
Cool 👍🏻
This past summer I finally stepped off my 2006 Madone 5.9 SL (Dura Ace) for a new 2022 Madone SL 7 (Ultegra Di2, 12 speed, disc brakes). My local Trek store offered a 20% discount off of MSRP mostly because of the pending new 23 model changes. I put over 2,300 miles on the new Madone before the cold weather arrived here in Wisconsin. The newer Madone is a bit heavier at just over 18 lbs. However, the over all ride performance, handling and comfort absolutely blow away the older Madone which is now relegated to my Kickr trainer. Initially, I thought that the older Madone would be my back up bike or used occasionally for nostalgia. That notion lasted about two weeks. There's no way I would ride or embrace old technology bike designs. Did this guy imply 3:33 that rim brakes perform better in the rain than disc brakes? Must be joking. The assessment of the frame damage 7:40 is wrong - Mr Scot is not by authorized Trek to make such determinations. Trek offers outstanding warranties on their frames. I do not agree with the opinions expressed in this video.
I’m not Whining buddy, I’m laughing. Because I ride a much better bike than a TREK, I’m just trying offer an alternative view to anyone about to buy yet another over priced, over weight, over complicated carbon bike…
Discs work better in the wet… but tyres on Disc bikes in the wet don’t work better than tyres on rim bikes in the wet… if you understand that then you understand my point. 😉
@@reginaldscot165what are you talking about here, it is probably clear that the tires are the same no matter where they are
Got a new Procaliber 9.6 in 2022. Its a very nice bike and my go to for fast XC Trails.
Sorry I don’t speak MTB? 😅 but cool! Glad you like it. 🙂👍🏻
I have a 2018 Domane SLR with over 40,000 miles on it. (proof on Strava). Never touched the wheels with a spoke wrench. 3 cassettes, 7 chains, on the 2nd set of front rings. Flawless still SRAM Red etap. There will always be wankers who don't get it. Most comfortable bike ever.
Good for you. 3 cassettes to 7 chains seems high? I get 5 chains to 1 cassette. Consider washing the bike every 300km or If you use Muckoff lube try something like Morgan blue. Wet not dry.
I own a 2007 Trek 1000. This thing was being sold used at the shop, I paid $318 for it (That includes tax)
That thing is really fun and it hasn't had any real issues at all, overall a very fast, smooth, and comfortable bike! It also looks really nice too with the paint scheme on it (It's a discovery channel edition)
Older bikes are great! Newer ones… err not so much.
@@reginaldscot165 New ones are fine, I don't mind them much, though I admit that their prices are absoulutely insane.
Funny sarcasm in video 😂! Some good points, but your excessive negativity towards Trek, your left-field recommendation of the other brand, and condescending & poorly articulated rationale in responding to posts indicate a nefarious agenda. Perhaps butthurt by some transactions or competition with Trek? Economic interest tied to the other brand? This ain’t objective journalism folks, although in fairness, it never claimed to be such. Still enjoyed and learned some things in the video!! 👍
That’s an interesting comment. I like it. It was a really good attempt at finding some deeper meaning. And I appreciate the complement you started with. 🤭
When compared with a good metal bike I think all the big carbon brands fail for reliability, durability, comfort and value for money.
As for financial insensitive. I no longer sell any bikes. So I don’t gain anything from getting people to buy a particular brand. I’d love to be sponsored by Litespeed because I 100% believe they make the worlds best bikes. But it’s not the situation I’m in unfortunately.
The reason I make videos is to help people see an alternative perspective on the average mass mainstream media take on the bike industry. There are plenty of channels sucking the D of TREK and the rest. No need for me to do it.
As I have showed in previous videos I’m a very honest guy, to my own financial detriment sometimes. But I don’t mind you thinking I have a nefarious agenda, simply because I love that you used the word “Nefarious.” 😂
All the best and safe riding! 😊
Okay, that’s cool! That puts a better context to comments in video. 👍 I ride with a wide range of people with nice expensive & inexpensive bikes, and the fastest dude is on a 10 year old $3k steel bike. But I know it’s not because he’s on a steel bike, just as I know the second fastest guy isn’t so fast just because he’s on a $15k Italian bike. Third fastest dude is a bit thick around the waist and is on a heavy Trek!! 🤪.
I’ve stopped paying so much attention to the bikes and more attention to myself and my body and trying (and failing) to keep up with them!! 💪🏽
Keep making vids!
Got a 2022 emonda sl5 with carbon aero wheels, carbon bar/stem integrated. Weighing 8kg without water bottle, included pedals and computer. I use the bike for racing and it does the job very well. If the bike weight a KG too much for your liking you should change your diet or ride more to lose a KG yourself. The emonda has amazing comfort and handles really well when racing. A heavier bike is better in a headwind if you live in a windy area. If you want a bike specifically for climbing none of the new bikes are for you. Get a 2012-2019 carbon road bike with rim brakes instead.
I have 2 Domanes, but I would also like an Emonda. What was time from order date to delivery date? My local Trek dealer says the longest wait is for the Madone.
I disagree, but thanks for the comment! 🙂👍🏻
@@Adair9800 dont know, i didnt order mine i just bought it and took it home with me (not at a trek store)
I'd say from personal experience that one pound off the bike isn't any better than two pounds off the body. Eating everything in sight gets expensive when you are that focused on weight better to watch what you eat first.
@@Adair9800 The Madone is dumb unless you are constantly riding well over 22mph. It's heavy. Emonda is great but after 60 miles you will miss the Domane.
They supported Armstrong and dropped Lemonds bike range, wouldn’t have one if it was free!
Yes, not a prestigious history they are living off.
Thank you for your comment. 🙏🏻
Spot on.
Just bought a domane 58 from 2014 with heavy wheels, tiagra, pedals, rimbrakes, 9 kg !
Lightly used, ready for wheel upgrade.
Excellent choice 👍🏻🙂
@@reginaldscot165 Bike now with new wheels 8.7 kg. I pass everybody with heavy diskbrakes now.
I love my carbon frame Trek. I bought it in 2020 and I ride it alot. No cracks, no problems. It doesn't have the glove compartment. I guess that's a good thing. At 13 kg It weighs a bit more, but It has bigger tyres. Fantastic bike! #gobybike #trek ❤
13kg! It’s an MTB right?
@@reginaldscot165 Farley 9.6
LOL! The issues you described happens to many non-Trek frames. I purchase a new high-end bike every two years and I've had some lemons. My 2022 Madone SLR7 has been rock solid with zero issues with over 20K kms ridden. Then again, with only 20k kms, the bike is practically new.
I’m lost for words.
@@reginaldscot165 I'm sorry that you are lost. The Internets are very complex places.
I have a Storck absolutist 0.9 ultegra 3x11 with aluminum rims and alu seatpost, cranks, handlebar, weighting 8.0kg and still the more heavy training tubes in use.
Indeed 👍🏻
Like Reginald I own a Litespeed T1SL Rim Brake, full mechanical, it is without a doubt the finest bike I’ve ever owned. Absolutely World Class
Glad to be among fine people such as yourself Sir. Excellent choice!
I have a video in the pipeline about how it’s the worlds best bike and how I can prove it. 😂🤭
Happy riding Sir! 💪🏼
@@reginaldscot165 I’ve seen it numerous times, I have two disc brake bikes one is a litespeed Ultimate, however; I feel that it detracts from its performance so I ordered a litespeed Ultimate Rim Brake version being built up exactly the same spec as my T1SL, I’m positive it will out perform the disc version, I’m picking it up Monday
I am riding a Trek sL7 and love it. I did however have a frame crack after about 1 yr. The factory replaced it under the lifetime warranty without question and I have had no further problems. I love the bike and highly recommend them for fellow road warriors!
That’s what I said in the video, carbon bike lasts about 1 year. 😅
I must admit, this is one of the best reviews of bikes and highly entertaining! 😅
I have seen now several videos and photos of broken Trek frames. All at the same spot above the "luggage room"
Thank you I’m glad you enjoyed it! 🙂
I live in Wisconsin. In about 1975 I bought one of the first Treks- hand built in Waterloo, Wisconsin. I owned and rode that bike for many, many years. Almost 50 years later I bought a like-new used Trek bike and I like this one a lot, too.
What bike and how old? Makes a big difference. 🙂
I've purchased about 8 Trek's in the last 4 years. 😂 They just fit me well and I love them.
So they only last 6 months each? That’s bad. 😆
Love external cables, just not exposed.
Full outer cable end to end is way less maintenance. Imho.
I find fully enclosed cables inside a housing tend to stay damp and rust sooner. Also they often have 2x more friction than an exposed cable so shifting and braking tends to be less smooth. But some of this can me mitigated by coating the cable in something before you put them in. WD40/wax so on. 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 cool. I'm sticking with full. Cause reasons. 😑
too light not resistant? it would have been better if suspension in front and back was present?
Not sure I understand this comment. 👍🏻
I’ve just got rid of my two road bikes and bought a BMC roadmachine 2 Sram Force AXS 2022 model for £4500 was £5259, weighs in at 8.21 kg for a 64cm frame I’m going to fit a Sram power meter spider and some light carbon wheels 1350 grams for the set and upgrade the saddle this should reduce the weight to around 7.6 kg in a year or two I’ll upgrade the handlebars and stem to some super lightweight ones which knock at least another 209 grams off getting the bikes weight down to about 7.38 kg.
Cool 😎
what makes carbon frame heavy?
Just build a emonda alr with ultegra groupset+wheelset with 30c rubino pro
weight 7.93kg with pedals on. I put on braided brakeline which heavier.
Cool 😎
I'm considering an Emonda Sl6 pro and I was hoping for some decent criticism here. I just checked the Nemo Tig you mentioned - it's a steel frame bike with rim brakes? How is that a fair comparison to a carbon frame bike with a heavier gearset and disc brakes? The SRAM version of the Emonda is about .7kg heavier than the Ultegra version (which is cheaper). I haven't found a better priced climbing bike with aero features and carbon rims when compared to the Emonda SL6 pro.
About your last sentence, you obviously haven’t been looking hard enough Sir? Almost everything is cheaper than the Emonda and fiy “aero features” is marketing, it makes literally no difference. I saw an aerodynamic test of a TCR VS the Madone and at best the Madone was 1 Watt faster and at some speeds and yaw angles the TCR was faster. And the Mad-one is a full “aerodynamic bike” so your advantage on an Emonda over an old fashioned steel frame is less than 1 watt if anything.
If you check my review on the Tig I don’t actually like it, I’m just saying that this trek carbon bike is substantially heavier than a steel bike! I don’t actually like the Tig, but it’s still a better bike than the Emonda. I did mention titanium bikes in the video, if your smart that’s where you will look next. 😘
My 2022 60cm Emonda is 7.2kg with comfy fat 28c tubeless tires and silly disc brakes. Pedals & cages included, good enough for me.
I’d love to see it. 🙂👍🏻
If I lived near you I'd meet up for a ride. You might not want to though due to my "anti-social" tubeless tires 🙃 It's a gorgeous machine and I'm a luicky man! @@reginaldscot165
I have owned six different Trek bikes over the years . I still have four of them. The oldest is from 2002 and still going strong.
The older the better.
I worked at Trek, and I despised those seat posts (all of them). One of those posts had special online multi-step instructions for how to get it to stop slipping. But, you know, carbon. They're a serious safety issue, because it's nearly impossible to clamp them safely in the stand without damage. Didn't see similar cracks, but I wasn't there that long. It looks to me like someone dropped a wrench on it.
I really appreciate your comment, it’s interesting to hear from someone who actually worked for TREK. Are you still in the bike industry today? What do you do now? 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 I'm really good at fixing bikes, and I love doing it, but all the additional multitasking, weekend work, and especially the bad management, doesn't work very well for me. I'd like to find a place, but it's not likely. I have a neurological condition, so finding suitable work is hard. I worked for a regional Trek franchise, not directly for Trek corporate. Everything was the same, except I heard corporate got nicer stuff. I thought the bikes were fine, but I'd much rather have the Litespeed.
@@matthew7419 Oh yes, I hate this seatpost interface. It makes the bikes only suitable to be put on dropout-style workstands. Back in my old workplace, during a meeting, the boss told us we were switching from Specialized to Trek as he wants brand diversity in his shops. Up until now, the shop never invested in their own dropout-style workstand. I never liked Trek ever since I took up the sport in 2012 and after working on numerous Treks, I hate them.
There came a time where I can buy a new frameset to upgrade, but instead of going for the Émonda ALR (the only frameset I could afford at that time), I deliberately bought another brand and model as I like that one way more than the Émonda ALR.
When my ex-colleagues found out, I told them this: I do not have the time and money to buy things I never liked in the first place. (this is probably one of my most arrogant-sounding lines I've ever said)
I have a Trek TT bike (used with DI2). I did not see this video before the purchase. Glad I recently purchased a Cannondale Super Six Evo (with DI2) instead of a Trek. US Marine Corps /Persian Gulf War Vet! Oorah! God bless all friendly cyclists 🙌
Yes bless all people who ride bikes 🙂
I just ordered a Trek Emonda but it's the aluminum version, not carbon. It weighs nearly the same as the carbon version with the identical build, 9.0kg, 19.85lbs, size 56, I'm sure that's without cages and pedals. It's $1050 cheaper than the carbon version. The neat thing about Treks is the Praxis T47 bottom bracket.
Well, at least it’s not carbon. 😁👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165 Cheers Reg!
the good thing about trek is that they have a really nice warranty on carbon bikes and wheels. Its a no questions asked thing. they just give u a new frame if its cracked. and the reason why the cost is more on some big box bikes is because of the components put on the bikes. I am a Mountain Biker so I dont really know how much weight affects road bikes, but for what I can say about mtb carbon bikes from trek your getting so much more value for the cost than aluminum mtb
Great comment! Thank you.
Mine cracked and they Dropped me. Money wasted
Were you the original owner of the bike? Also how long after did it the crack happen
@@deadman5815 yes original owner. Stone kicked up on road and cracked frame between crank and BB. Trivial event. Denied warranty, Offered a reduction in price for replacement frame. 3 years after purchase. A big no thanks from me. Now have custom titanium bike (Baum). Done with replacing carbon frames. Getting too expensive.
You think disk brakes are only for dry weather .....I rest my case ..you are a true expert :)
It’s true… I know everything. 😂
I went through bikes like socks as a kid, almost 3 a year it seemed....walmart bikes yes, but I was a big kid and hard rider. Eventually around 8th grade my mom saved up and got me a Trek. It opened my eyes to what a 'real' bike and mountain bike should feel like surviving everything I threw at it for years until I inevitably outgrew it. Ive had a couple here and there but for a intermediate rider like myself, the Marlin and Roscoe are almost unmatched. Pricing them out, especially on sale, you're getting at least 15% of the parts are free.
That’s true 👍🏻