Armed Response: South Africa's Gun Violence
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2021
- South Africa is awash with illegal firearms. The types of violent crime that are on the rise - such as cash in transit heists, armed robberies, assassinations - share one common factor: the ready availability of illegal guns that allow the perpetrators to kill, maim and intimidate.
The minibus taxi industry is at the centre of much of the violence in the country’s increasingly unstable KwaZulu-Natal province. And it is a source of hardened gunmen-for-hire. Hitmen and enforcers who make their bones in the taxi industry account for nearly half of the targeted assassinations in South Africa.
A lack of proper regulation of the industry means competitors often turn to violence to resolve conflicts, increasing the demand for illegal firearms. In Cape Town alone, at least 80 people have reportedly lost their lives in taxi violence this year.
Taxis from South Africa also operate across the border, taking customers into neighbouring states. Historically, this has given certain operators access to firearms smuggled into the country from Mozambique, which enables them to increase their own standing and influence within the industry.
The involvement of police officials in the supply of firearms to taxi operators is another cause for concern. Police do not just rent guns to members of the taxi industry, they also sell industry players their police-issue firearms as well as other weapons seized in the course of their work. But it is not only police firearms that have found their way into the taxi industry. Weapons from the South African National Defence Force and private security companies have also ended up there.
The quantities of weapons in circulation, the violence and killings can be compared to some of the world’s most serious conflict zones.
A film by Christopher Clark, Shaun Swingler and Longshot Productions for the Global Initiative Against Transnational Organized Crime. Produced by Jo Munnik. - Розваги
Prime example of why you need a strong and competent police force... Private security firms are good but shouldn't be the primary source of security.
True but for the individual it’s impossible. No competent police force is capable of stopping a lone hitman.
I want to point out that’s the situation because the police are incompetent because the people at the top of the government were corrupt arseholes until recently where now only 75% are corrupt arseholes. Who embezzle all the money. Plus no one wants to join the police. Because especially recently if you look at someone wrong you get crucified
I agree, however the core problem exists within the police force. Antiquated and historic filing systems allow a gross amount of incompetence and corruption to occur. Sadly in my experience there is little to no drive for service excellence from the bottom, and no ambition to change, modernize, improve, from the top.
@@0BuLLeT01 we are a low trust state, nobody trusts anybody to do their job right. And rightly so, GQ has had fecal matter in the water for the last month + an extra Two weeks before that too
Switzerland has lots of guns. Canada too. They dont seem to have this problem. Maybe something else is at play here. Hmmmmm?
Privately owned cash buisness that refuses to become formalized
Zero taxation or penalty for not paying taxes
This Taxi industry operate like the Mob
Full of thugs carrying weapons getting involved in violence and staging protests & traffic stoppages for anything that threatens their industry
This industry benefits & proffits from the burning & vandalization of public transport
Which makes the poor fork out the same % of their salary for transport, as what people in first world countries pay for their bonds
This industry is very closely aligned to the ruling Anc party which has been in Govt in SA for 30 yrs
SA has an transport & rail industry that has fallen into ruin, just like pretty much everything else
The poor are the ones who always suffer
They aren't either getting subsidies
@sheldon fords Who runs SA? Serious organized crime groups there??
It looks like that. The last place I'd look for encountering such violence is from a taxi driver getting a ride with them. But I'm not in that part of the world.
They think that the competition bring this to a form of racket running.
I am a South African and thankfully I still have "legal" firearms in my possession. I carry them 24/7. We have had a number of firearms amnesties where the ANC Government have successfully disarmed a significant number of civilians. The aim has been two-fold: 1. No corrupt Government wants armed civilians who can rise up against them. 2. The Police receiving these firearms need to sell them to gangsters to earn a real income. And this is no joke. I know people who were charged with armed robbery after handing their firearms in. Justice and Truth should prevail, but if not ... bring it on!!
Good luck brother stay strong.
The population could fight back. But South Africans are cowards.
Regarding your first point, why would civilians need guns in the first place to rise against a corrupt government? Shouldn't that be done using democratic means?
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@@darelet clearly you know nothing about South Africa.
That country will never change; the level of corruption is too entrenched.
We live in an almost cashless society, perhaps that is what is needed in SA.
@@tomkitchen2764 yes its much better to have the government confiscate your wealth without even knocking on your door.
Wishing you a happy new year Sonny.@@s0nnyburnett
Who or what corrupted that country?
@@tomkitchen2764 lmao, you actually believe that?
Fact, Since Cele's return as police minister. CIT has increased. Fact, SAPS sells/rents out the majority of amnesty firearms. The problem lies with Cele and ilk.
It's very sad that one of the security guards that was featured in this documentary was killed.
Rest in Peace
The police are also known to “lose” their service weapon fairly regularly. The SA defense force also “lose” guns and ammunition daily. It’s a huge market from which the ANC government profits handsomely.
I've seen reports the SA police lose pallets of ammunition and cases of guns at a time.
Let's get serious for a moment. How much money would be gained from that? And the only person shown here as being responsible for the black market trade in arms does not look like your typical ANC voter.
This guy is basically a mafia boss.
It's not the weapons it's people
No it's Prinsloo.
Same problem in America with the descendants of these people.
@@leftistnazicensorship8882 you just have to make everything about america dont you?
its the corrupt system
You can't pull tribal that are a millenia behind the rest of the world into the 21st century. This is what you get
If you have police stations being robbed who is going to protect the citizens and maintain law and order ?
Broer....is net kak
The citizens
Interesting how preventing law abiding citizens from owning guns hasn't fixed the gun problem in SA
Strange, isn’t it? 🤔
you can own firearms in SA
@@LordWellington15 you can own machine guns in the us…if you’re rich enough.
There is too much corruption in the country as well as poverty!
Too much fine print.
There's no doubt there are some badass cops in SA, but everyone pretty much knows that when you're in trouble, you call private security first, and IF you have the time, you call the police. Calling the police and hoping someone competent will respond is too high a risk. Every tax paying South African must carry arms, and when injustice becomes law, and a criminal government takes away your right to defend yourself, resistance becomes duty. Want to know how South Africa can become a safer place over-night? Give SA it's own 2nd amendment.
In 2008 the police in durbanville had one car for call outs for the entire suburb. They took three hours to respond. Pvt security is at best 10 minutes away but in that period you have to defend yourself . Or you can be" righteous", be anti self defence and hope you can hold your bedroom door shut as the criminals throw themselves against it trying to access your family for torture and degradation as happened in aurora, cape town. One break in in old oak suburb they discussed r*ping the wife at the end of home invasion ( family tied up) and only didn't because gang leader decided they were out of time.
I'm against guns and absolutely hate second amendment but I can't argue with your logic. Although there's the risk of violence rising even more
@@TheMomeni The risk of violence ALWAYS will exist in human society. You can FORBID guns from ever entering your house, but it won't stop your romantic partner from one day tossing a plugged in toaster into the bathtub while you are taking a bath because they thought you were seeing other people behind their back. Or they might just spike your coffee with sleeping meds and place a bag over you while you are unconscious. The world is a very unpleasant place and it is even worse for those who choose to be "harmless", to the point of refusing to own the tools necessary to defend themselves. Guns are for SELF protection. If I am in a country where I cannot legally get a gun to defend myself, I will do so illegally, via the black market, or theft. Because I will look out for myself first and foremost.
@@TheMomeni moron
@@Jebe_Noyon Psycho gun lover are we??
"In South Africa I sleep with both my eyes open".
Smoking tic huh? 🤔
If you don’t have a gun in South Africa you’re being reckless. I too am being reckless but not for long. I don’t want a legal one either.
the irony is beautiful in this one
Kill or be killed
Quote "If firearms are outlawed, only outlaws will have firearms" unquote. South Africa is on the way to that situation.
I pose the question; Could it be that we are, in fact, ruled by outlaws? If not, then why are the law-abiding firearm owners taxed and targeted with laws and regulations aimed at disarming them when the vast majority of firearm related crimes are committed with illegal firearms obtained from various Police and Military sources?
Could the ultimate aim possibly be to make the public at large powerless against criminals?
Consider the poor performance of security forces in controlling crime and violence, and compare that to what private citizens achieved in protecting property and maintaining order during the unrest in KZN and Gauteng a year ago. And that without all the resources of command, control and logistics of Governmental agencies! With very meager supplies of arms and ammunition (all privately owned and legal).
How do you get one???
@@seetsamolapo5600 3d printed
that is the legacy of Mandela & co: very poor management of the country, so low economic situation and violence are the normal consequences..., get in order Africa !!
Just like everything in my beloved country as he said "it's all about greed".
IMO part of the problem is that we have a national police force headed by deployed party cadres and comrades, rather than elected officials. RSA should not have a national police force, but sheriffs departments for each municipality, headed by an elected sheriff. It would upset the ANC a lot though.
def seems like a interesting solution
That will be even more dangerous later down the road the police will be sold to the highest bidder
The fact that sheriffs are elected is a problem because they are less accountable then promoted-from-within chiefs of police and police commissioners.
@@SerialChiller1000 They're more accountable to voters.
The main problem is the lack of apartheid.
The problem is not the guns, it's the people who use them.
The problem is that Mossad controls South Africa. And South African media is controlled by Mossads friends.
@@powerbite92 if the Mossad was here there wouldn't be any shit...
@@eland65 your naivete is spectacular my impressionable friend.
@@powerbite92 I don't want to say where your brain is located, but is certainly not in your head.
@@eland65 The damn R4 rifle and platforms thereafter are Israeli designs.
Since making it incredibly difficult for license gun owners to maintain their license the number of illegal guns has risen.
This should not surprise anyone. Freedom is not found when innocent men are required to bow to government
I live in Europe a while ago i met a south african guy thru a sports club ,eversince i have been meeting his freinds who arrive evey few months they are all professionals....they are not going back.
So it's District 9 without the fcukin Prawns...
Yes , but the are certain people that can be classified as prawns
Nope. It's prawns all ovet
South Africa used to be a great country to live in. Apartheid was abolished. That definitely needed to happen. Since then the country economically and criminally has declined rapidly. Corruption and greed is killing that country.
Just about every country in Africa that has followed the same path got the same result. I lived in SA for 13 years and it breaks my heart when I see this.
@@alanserjeant4947 Yes! It’s a shame. I look at what’s going on and I just shake my head. I grew up there as a kid and moved to the US when I was 16. Now it’s total chaos and unfortunately the blacks are ruining the country due to incompetence, corruption and systematic reverse racism.
Apartheid was created the same reason Jim Crow existed everyone knew blacks had to be controlled or this is what you get.
Exactly…..you name any….SA…Angola….Whatever….how these countries where in the 70’s and what they became…..well they got their freedom and show how they handle themselves
Yes! Totally agree! It’s funny I left SA when I was 16yrs old as well and came to the US.
Just another African State. Saying it's 'failed' is redundant, as the entire continent is the same
It seems for all it's faults South Africa was a safer place during apartheid
all that security at 4.30 then sits with his back to a window
anything to declare?? yeah never go to South Africa
Once the safest and most desirable place to live on the continent of Africa, and then the South Africans were given control without the knowledge to govern. Come to think of it, there isn't a single African country that has shown themselves capable of self governance.
It's not uncommon in South Africa to hear of shootouts in which one armed civilian shoots dead 3 or more assailants and, in the process, saves themselves and their family from armed thugs.
Fire arm ownership in South Africa is a vital component of upholding our right to safety.
The country was doomed in the 1990s, there is no stopping it now.
@@DickCheneyXX yeah bro it's not looking good but hell I'm here and I'm not giving up that easily.
@@matthew1882 Good for you. It's getting like this in most of the liberal controlled cities in the United States. The criminals have guns, and access to guns by the law abiding is restricted. Add to this the revolving door criminal justice system, and it's a recipe for disaster for everyone except the criminals and the politicians who are often one and the same.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 all I can say dude is that Marxism is a disease and anybody who even attempts to justify it is either naive at best or downright evil at worst.
Race is a construct used by the elite to keep us divided. In my country, racial issues still keep us from confronting the fact that we have a corrupt and illegitimate government.
Africa may be a lost cause (I'll fight for it anyway) but the United States is not. As a leader in the free world I believe it is the duty of the USA to confront faux-socialism wherever it may spread. Best of luck to you.
this is really sad to watch and feel sorry for the people trapped in SA that can't leave the place 😢
They made their bed, they can now lie in it. I don't want them coming to my part of the world with their violent ways. In my own little village in the middle of Ireland a South African dude is wanted for two murders, he is currently in an SA prison for murdering a kid in SA. His Girlfriend was arrested this week, she'll be extradited back here, he'll be extradited to stand trial after he serves his sentance in SA.
@@GeneralThargor I do understand how you feel. But not everyone is Bad
@@GeneralThargor like my fellow said below, not everyone is bad.
Question:
Have you paused to consider and ask/find out for yourself how many great South Africans - have migrated to your country and are currently living, working, and contributing to your beautiful, lusciously green country/society.
(Irony here is that your name befits THIS comment)
A man should carefully consider any generalisation through all its entireties before making them. Otherwise we may come across as obtuse. Now imagine if I thought all people from S.Ireland were obtuse because one might be.
I’m just making an example. I love you Brother. Let’s grow together. God bless you and I hope you have a peaceful happy Sunday.
I love your country btw. I’ve always been drawn to and would love to see the cliffs of Moher one day.
Definitely agree with you. But feel for the people that would want to leave but can't for different reasons 🙄
@@richardgiles2484 Absolutely, last week my best mate since kindergarten of British descent / has full British passport, even served in the British Army etc. Tried to fly to go spend Christmas with his mum in the U.K., wasn’t allowed to board because he did not have a South African passport...
Our governments service delivery departments / home affairs are so inefficient - its very likely he will not even be able to get it issued before the new year.
And it would have been the first time in 20yrs that mum would have had all her kids be together in one place again.
I’m crossing fingers for him.
Have a great day Richard. God bless you.
It looks just like certain neighbor hoods in Chicago.
I thought this was about Chicago for a minute there.
How is this not simply gansterism??? Because of the political angle? Have we not already established that political parties are no more than gangster federations?
Let civilians own guns and they’d have the opportunity to defend themselves. It may stop all the gun theft as well.
Civilians CAN own guns in SA and do, and it does little to anything. Guns can't fix entrenched corruption and a mafia mentality that permeates everything.
Well, firstly the Police would need to purge criminal elements from their critical departments (like the Central Firearms Registry) and later on ALL departments. Secondly they drastically need to modernize their systems and build in the necessary checks and balances to eliminate corruption and theft within the SAPS. Then they would need to build up a Police Service that is fit, focused, efficient, competent and well-informed. You don't get this by recruiting below par, but by recruiting THE best, so the SAPS would need to entice the most promising individuals with decent remuneration packages and growth potential scales. All whilst implementing integrated (high availability) intelligence databases (fingerprints, DNA, criminals, repeat offenders, known associates, criminal suspects, informants, etc.) as tools with which they can combat crime more effectively.
All of this will take a lot of time and even more effort. Getting help from the U.S. would go a long way in achieving this, btw.
So, to address the shortfall of what can be done by the SAPS whilst they are restructuring, it is just logical that the government should actively encourage its citizens to equip themselves not only with measures to defend themselves but with sufficient training to be competent at defending themselves.
There is a wide variety of self defense measures. from security gates, electric fences, armed response and panic buttons to pepper spray, non-lethal weapons, hand to hand combat skill training, firearm training, legal firearm ownership and personal security guards.
government doesn't like self defence, the ANC wants to ban (the reason to obtain) firearms for self defense. And if you own a legal firearm and you have to defend yourself you're half in jail already
@@Frank_inSA And that is the dichotomy we have in S.A. The government is unable to defend us yet they don't want us to be equipped to defend ourselves. It makes you wonder what their real intentions are.
Personally I believe they are absolutely petrified at the thought of 40+ million armed citizens getting tired of politicians and their empty promises.
The Zuma incarceration unrests highlighted their incapacity to deal with intermediate levels of civil unrest.
Imagine wholescale unrest on a national level.
Bheki Cele doesn't cut it. Ramaphosa needs a person with the resolve, work ethic and vision of a Jan Smuts.
I swear the solutions to most our problems in this country lie with the citizens. Sometimes I read the most compelling of reasoning and suggestions.
@@hellonomasonto You are absolutely correct. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out a practical plan to get things back on track.
It simply requires a clear objective, the backbone to commit to the plan and the willingness to do the work.
It just seems that our current generation of politicians lack those 3 attributes.
@@cobus5841 In my opinion it’s the absolute lack of will. They just don’t want to do it.
What an absolute hell hole
As a student living abroad for 4 years in South Africa, it's a hell hole with horrible people of all colours
Never thought i would see corruption and tribalism extending to taxis
Why, or you would think construction business is special ?
Most of the guns that legal gun owners were forced to hand in ended up in the hands of these crims...
a Person with a gun is an citizen..a person without a gun is a subject...
Still not the gun!
You, know, you'd eliminate 99 % of organised crime by regulating the illegal narcotics business, but combating illicit drugs is big business, and no one gets in the way of business.
This isn't Normal,you can't blame foreigners for this
This is the result of local rule, 100%.
Gee, I wonder what has happened to this country..........
Cry my beloved Country 🇿🇦😭
Taxi business dangerous
Gun violence? Wtf is that? Say what you mean.
Thank Great Mandela
The LOVE of MONEY is the ROOT of ALL EVIL.🥺😢
Including child molestation?
Misquote. ". . . all kinds of evil."
The root of all evil is the unregenerate human heart in rebellion against God their Creator and his law.
Did you know SAPS allow people with criminal records
Lol
Allow people to do what?
@@pitbullpowersystems8704 They allow people to work with Criminal records
@@pitbullpowersystems8704 I'll spell it out- allow people, convicted of committing crime by a court of law, to become custodians of that law.
I am afraid it has been proven true. Then there are those who have been convicted of criminal offences while in service, who were allowed to continue to serve as custodians of that law, regardless.
as if they have ever cared about the morality of cops
how long has this been going on in South Africa ?
It's a shame, at one time south Africa was the crown jewel of the continent, since aparthied was stopped the whole nation is sliding into third world status
Life under the anc....
You won’t find these problems in Orania, South Africa
Anyone selling? I'll take a AK, MP5, ASVAL, M13 or Vector plz
Sad situation…. I love SA and hope one day it will be a peaceful society again
Yeah i also hope for the best
Tbh, never again. Once that insane amount of firearms leak out daily, even if you have anti-gun laws, it’s never going to work.
By then if there’s zero leaks from police to the gangs, there’s already too much firearms and ammunition out in the streets. Porous borders doesn’t help the situation.
It’s a free for all going forward, unless someone can come up with a plan to make everyone surrender their firearms and ammo.
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@@madala9324 Dont understand your remark - something is wrong here - we write on South-Africas troubles and you write something of getting pregnant , dont get it -- -- but on the other hand i dont care - that lovely land is on its way down the drain and the corupt politicans is already helping with that - wonder what MADIPA would think of that
Don’t hold your breath.
wow, had no idea. Always wanted to visit South Africa, guess that will never happen just too dangerous
It's not as bad as it seems it's a great place to visit, I've been there many many times and had fantastic times, I saw a few very crazy things but never got tangled up in anything.
You can visit SA. Just avoid going to townships
people are being shot in grocery stores in america. spare us the BS
Stay in the countryside and you should be okay.
The VIP protection tactics are seriously flawed. You don't face inwards in the taxi rank looking at your client, but outwards looking for threats.
Don't both protectors open the gate and take your hands away from the trigger. One opens the gate only.
Don't seat the client by a window.
Demand your money back from whoever 'trained' the protection detail.
"security" is BS
I miss mzanzi but the crime rate was too hectic
What a horrible place to live true!!!.so much shit goin' on..police stations being robbed for their weapons...out of control
What's the company called?
what did they think would happen, corruption is rife in africa.
I guess Uber isn't breaking into that market.
I know we're I might put my military training to use finally
3.14 there is a bravo 1 paintball gun in the background lol
Used for low IQ crowd control
"Always the time we are focusing" 😭😩😩 my new mantra
Sad that Tower ,the security operative, was to die after this program was made.
6:15 was footage from Australia, not SA.
I was in South Africa twice during the 1970's. There was none, or very little of this type of violence. As a child I can still remember the carnival @ Cape town. There were no armed guards and I felt safe. Now South Africa has denigrated into this chaos. Why? Can it be hundreds of years of tribal violence? No wonder Apartheid existed. Whites saw an entire Continent dominated by this relic. And they kept peace. This was of course unfair. But necessary. Sometimes, in the name of fairness, people die. Is it worth it? Is South Africa moving forward over a sea of corpses? I suppose the answer is yes. I am glad neither I, nor my family have to face this battle. I will never go back.
I can’t help thinking Apartheid has got to be better than this. But suppose it depends on your color.
Am trying to make sense of your post
I've also noticed an increase in guns around here
Omg seriously!! Taxi wars!! Do they know how ridiculous this looks to the outside world?
@Mzansi Indian I hope you include Chatsworth, Phoenix, Sydenham, Springfield and Westville in that definition.
How on earth did the west control the world for 2500 years and counting. With cream puffs and hugs?
@@mrsoshadabaadman I think westville falls away here unless you mean Reservoir Hills and chesterville
@@Ravishrex1 That taxi route yeah.
It’s all about money. Whoever controls the routes makes the most money.
Is this the ZA we are supposed to embrace and invest in it ?
There is no doubt that these security people are very brave what do you mean tragedy it is sad how humans treat each other
Will never be proudly South African!
Should've kept them in their cages after all........
Do you even follow your own religion?
Taking guns from legally licensed owners was never a good idea
Government failed us mxm
Police stations are being robbed... That just says it all 😂 I am done for the night✋ and hayii man fire arms from Zimbabwe ??? Our police officers just walk around with handcuffs here n baton sticks...
Tough business. You always have to watch your back.
And three weeks ago a Russian cargo ship deloaded lots of ammo and weapons at Simonsbay during night hours. So where is it now and for whom?
Thank you for making this video
South Africa is a Failed State Police included Zimbabwe is the next Example for S A The Natives are 200 Yrs away from being able to MEANINGFULLY Self Rule
PLEASE READ, THANKS.
Where is the intelligence in having armed security but then you climb into an unarmoured vehicle?
Ethekwini ey madoda iyngozi indaba yama tekisi finish, imali ikhona yona
Yayikhona kudala ayisekho manje
@@mattgraver3604 u’mlungu bru???
I remember one year when I went back. Few days before or day before there was a shootout at the Benoni taxi rank. It's a good dam shame what's happened to our beautiful land. It breaks my heart. I'd still go back if I could. It's my home. Even though I left in 83. I was only nine when I left. I wish Cape town wasn't like London is. Expensive as id still be there.
Tower Ngcobo looked like a good man, a sharp and observant man. RIP Sir.
I blame our governments for allowing these people to migrate to the rest of the world.
How do you think a man from this environment will be have when his allowed to settle in our country,and sees a beautiful blonde woman? Or, a young attractive school girl? Do you think he will stop and ask her for ID? Or have any remorse?
Corrupt official,weak law against criminals.rights that r used wrong.
This is a superbly put together documentary on the State of the Guns on our stoep
This guy seems to enjoy throwing his weight around a bit too much.
The only source of security worth a piddle is every law abiding citizen being armed, trained and ready to stamp out crime wherever they find it.
Gun ownership is allowed and has done nothing jn the grand scheme of things. Gun ownership can't fix entrenched corruption, societal rot, and a mafia mentality that permeated everything.
Well, those taxi drivers which shoot each other citizens, and may be even law abiding before their first shootout
No one wants to admit it’s a black thing just like in America.
South Africa's population is more than 80% Black, so the perpetrators of crimes are likely to be Black.
What about the White Supremacists in the US, the Proud Boys and the murderers of Ahmaud Arbery? All gun toting bigots.
Just like War is a white thing, just look at Russia and Ukraine today.
Yes, it’s really sad. But how do you solve it? The horse has already bolted
I made him delete his response 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I guess he googled it and was shocked as hell how bad Africa is.
you are simply a racist. Anyone who agrees with you is a racist
Its almost like the people that commit this violence in different countries have something in common. I cannot quite put my finger on it though.
Oh everyone knows exactly what's the common denominator is here
SA. WHAT A PLACE.
South Africans must be regarding the British Empire as the good old days.
Now we know why there was apartheid!
This documentary was too short 😢
Why is it always black communities
The answer is in your comment 👌
Russia and Ukraine are playing war games in real right now over someone's "security"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
a great place Nelson Mandela created .......
Talks about Facemasks while not wearing one himself🙄 The Hypocrisy is World wide!
There is no forward thinking.violence has been accepted by the people and don't require the govt or police to do what they are voted for.
USA:SA same when it comes to guns . I live in both countries.
Deals upon deals