Suddenly Submerged: The Loss of FV Emmy Rose
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- At 1:30am November 23rd, 2020 the US Coast Guard received an automated distress signal off the coast near Provincetown, Massachusetts. The Fishing Vessel Emmy Rose and its 4 crew members were declared lost at sea after an exhaustive 2 day search. This is the story so far...
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And thats why companies still outlaw weed use.
Hey Brick, if could make a tiny bit of constructive criticism. When you put text on the screen you might want to add a stroke to it, because sometimes the white text has a white background and it makes it hard to read. Love the channel!
I’m a commercial Lobsterman. I waved to the Emmy Rose as They left Portland harbor. I believe I may have in the last person to see those onboard alive.
Probably waved to you before myself. I've fished off those wharfs at night and early mornings all the time for the last 30 years.
@JackThibodeau That must be an eerie memory for you. If you don’t mind, may I ask you if now, upon looking back, did you get any kind of different or strange feeling or sense when you saw her and waved? I’ve observed over the years that quite often men who spend a great deal of time on the sea seem to develop a sort of sixth sense and awareness. May the captain and crew of the Emmy Rose rest in peace.
I just teared up, it’s an Erie feeling knowing your the last person to wave or say goodbye to someone, I quit my job after 10 years at UPS because a good friend of mine crashed his car on the way home during peak season December 18 2018. I couldn’t handle being the last one to talk to him. Rip to all we have lost.
Greeting from Gloucester ms
@@Leprechaun-qv6mo I’m glad you did what was right for you. I was the last person to see a valued coworker. Our job was typically a 9 to 5 sort of deal, but one Saturday, he and I were both getting caught up with reports and other cleanup tasks. Most of us did that on occasion. Nothing seemed amiss. We talked for a little while, and then both of us left around the same time. Monday morning, I learned that I was very likely the last person to speak with him before he took his own life - probably less than an hour later. I primarily felt personal loss and sorrow for him and his family. But, it was certainly shocking and I could _easily_ see where a coworker could get psyched out by a sudden and unexpected event like that, regardless of the exact cause. I hope you’re doing alright these days.
A fishing vessel sunk very, very suddenly in British waters some years ago. Later it was determined that they had accidentally netted a military submarine. Nobody on the sub had noticed it, but they had simply dragged the fishing boat under water within seconds before the net gave way. This came to my mind because back then, it was also not understood why there were no mayday messages and no really bad weather, too.
This would explain this too.
Was that the Inspire? Off the Pembrokeshire coast? My dad was part of the Newport inshore rescue boat crew that looked for it and he doubts this theory. Mainly because that never found a SCRAP of wreckage. Any fishing vessel dragged down by tangled nets would have left some debris. It is my dads theory that it was overloaded (reported on previous trips) and capsized suddenly.
in my village in the Netherlands some have passed away in a similar way in the 80s
holy smokes what an awful situation. can't even imagine, just sailing through the waters doing your usual then suddenly get pulled under, boat and all. utterly terrifying
Or a rouge wave could do it too. Something like the Queen Elizabeth encountered during ww2. A completely random 100ft wave…
I’m from Gloucester Ma and was a commercial fisherman for a lot of years. I fished with the Capt Bobby many times and grew up playing youth hockey with Mike Porper. We also fished together and were good friends. Didn’t know Ethan or Jeff but he was a legend on the Maine docks.
Both Bobby and Mike were competent fisherman & mariners and good guys overall.
I have my opinions on what may have happened but in the end it doesn’t matter. They’re gone. Mike’s daughter was 2 at the time of him not coming home and she asks about him all the time.
It’s hard for me to believe she capsized if she’s upright 800’ below on the bottom with all her gear onboard where it’s supposed to be. If she rolled over, there would be a debris field all around the boat of gear. Whatever it was, it was quick, catastrophic, over in seconds and unrecoverable. It’s not inconceivable for a problem to be occurring at night, in a dark compartment and have all hands down below trying to work the problem with the boat on auto pilot which means no one would be at the wheel to make a distress call if things went south and got bad.
If they were in the Lazarette (the aft most compartment with steering) or the engine room and she rolled or rode a following sea underwater and drove herself under, if they were all down below they had 0 chance of getting back up to the wheelhouse in time to call let alone to get inside and out survival suits on. It was November at night on the North Atlantic. It was COLD. Almost impossible. I pray they never saw it coming and just went to sleep.
RIP Emmy Rose Crew.
Lost at Sea 2020
#legendsneverdie
#mikey#bobby#ethan#jeff
Great video, I’ve been a subscriber for a while and when I saw this pop up I was intrigued. Thanks for telling their story.
Your input's appreciated A.F., thanks for providing it and so sorry for your loss.
Same here, grew up in Glou. And knew Porps. It’s so hard to put together parts of a story when so many details are missing. Good job on the video, well done.
Agreed it had to be fast, with how perfectly intact she is I doubt it was violent like a rogue wave, just sudden.
I'm from Gulf myself and what you said about going to sleep brought back so many memories. When the bad weather hits you always hope that the boat holds fast and there are no issues. Out there little issues quickly become big ones. The Gulf boats are not made the same as Atlanta and Pacific boats. In a 95ft boat, 20ft seas are a white knuckled experience and you know that just one mistake and you're in the water. Growing up I read books about the brave men who fished from Gloster. As a kid, my favorite was the book and the 1930s Captains Courageous movie. Before the movie The Perfect storm came out I met Doug, the guy who was a crewmember of the Andrea Gail. That was before all the TV shows that showed people what it was like to work on the sea. I also heard plenty of stories about the Gulf crews that almost didn't make it home and about the crews that went missing. Due to her previous owner the CodFather, the new owners of the Emily Rose would have had a tough time finding a good crew if fishermen were still as superstitious as those guys from before WWII were. You would have better chances of them signing up to fish on a boat with a female captain who only ate bananas and ferried passengers on fishing trips.
Jesus, that is sad. You seem like a good dude, I'm sorry for your loss
Simply eerie to have the vessel sitting upright on the bottom looking like it's underway. Agree with the marine engineer, something happened rapidly and suddenly. Stability testing and calculations have had issues for years in the Alaska fishing fleet which led to the stability testing recommendations after the Alaska Ranger sinking in 2008. Should be a requirement industry wide. Lack of accurate stability information has cost 100s of lives over the years.
Yeah, sadly as in so many industries ownership whether corporate or an owner-operator often fights safety requirements tooth and nail thinking they have it under control, or that it won't happen to them because they are too skilled, or they don't want their already thin profit margin made thinner. It seems like in some of these very dangerous industries like fishing, mining, logging, and farming, there is often a sense of bravado about pushing yourself or your equipment to the limit, so you have a great tale to tell back at the tavern about that one time you almost died, but didn't. I think that sometimes discourages a safety culture as someone who points out hazards likely become quite unpopular with captains, owners, and other crew members pretty quickly. I've seen it in factory settings where safety is kind of secondary to production, at least until someone gets badly injured and then the foreman and production manager start looking for scapegoats when they knew about shortcuts the whole time.
Man just quit. This whole corporations are the big bad wolf is old and played out. These idiots just spewing some talking points they heard someone else say. When regulations that make sense these greedy corporations as u like to call them are often at the forefront of making things safer. Usually involved in writing new safer regulations. Often involved in conservation of fisheries also. Cause know where u would go with that also. So quit with the 1940s big bad corporations BS. U sound like someone who sits behind a desk for a career. Nice smooth hands.
Slack tanks probably.
sorry the laws re: stability testing came after the loss of Americus and Altair February 14, 1983
Agreed. Someone posted earlier about submarines getting caught in nets and dragging fishing boats down, citing an example in the UK. My dad was coxen of the lifeboat that was sent to look for that one and what sticks with him is they found nothing, not a shred of debris and it has always been his belief that it capsized due to overloading, which witnesses had documented it was known for.
You have the voice, the articulate storytelling skills, and most elusive, the quiet authority that gives the stories you tell a compelling nature.
Props on finding the phrase "quiet authority." I couldn't quite put my finger on what makes brick immortar's vids that extra bit special and this is precisely it.
Agreed. Quiet authority is the perfect description. I couldn’t put my finger on it either, but that is it.
I think the interview with the former deckhand, the Captain of the Allagash, is the most telling and shocking evidence. The observer paints the other half of the picture. Drug use, complacency and the failure to manage fuel correctly are the most likely causes of this tragedy. I certainly don't mean to speak ill of the dead but we have to call it what it is to hopefully prevent a sinking like this in the future. Also, always pure class having no commentary while the victim's names are on screen. Regardless of how many times you've done this I continue to be impressed by the respect shown to those that died. Another incredibly detailed and fascinating video!👍
In my view, it’s not speaking I’ll of the dead if they have something to teach us - it just gives their life, tragically cut short, even greater meaning.
Wow great observation, another wise editing decision I wouldn’t have realized if you hadn’t mentioned it
@@RCAvhstape jeez its just a lil weed... it's not like the boat sank.... errr... wait nvm...
@@RCAvhstape yeah I got no problem with people drinking or doing drugs on their own time. But on a ship, especially one with such a small crew? Nah. You're always on the clock until you're back in port as far as I'm concerned.
The Allagash captain made a lot of logical points about maintaining a constantly even burn and return and managing fuel as a way to keep the ships stability where it should be. Can’t imagine being on a half listing ship, water coming in and I tell a guy “hey man where’s the captain” and the response is “not my job”.
I don’t know anything about boats or commercial fishing or this accident, but I was riveted during this entire video. I learned a lot. Extremely well done. Thank you.
Watch his other videos you’ll be just as gripped!! Especially the Scandies Rose and SS El Faro videos
@@Syclone0044 Whenever brick immortal goes over the specs of the ship in the beginning, I be like "Aaahhh...🤔... mm-hm" - I know nothing about ships 🤣
Anything I know about ships is from these videos haha
Avast, ye land lubbers!
Yeah, I'm the same. But this is one of the few channels where I think "That video was too short".
I’m a captain with considerable experience at sea. I have watched this video and your video on the Scandies Rose tonight, both sinkings I am very familiar with. The quality of your videos is exception and there is a lot mariners can learn from watching them. I firmly believe as captain that all mariners should make it a point to learn about these kinds of incidents so they can take what they learn and use it to keep this kind of thing from happening again. As we often say, protocols are usually written in blood. Meaning often it takes a tragedy or death to learn enough to adjust the way we do things and as terrible as it may be, for the people that passed in their families, if learning from what happened to them can prevent future tragedies their deaths are not in vain.
I’m from New England and worked on a few fishing boats in my life and I learned a lifetime of information from my captain. That to this day is still ingrained into my brain cause he was constantly all over me about it. When I was young and a rookie still certain things I thought he was being overly obsessive about safety which is fine but he had certain things he was really paranoid about. And drove me nuts in the beginning but after a very very rough day and having a following sea all the way home I realized how important everything that he would nit pick me about. I can still hear it now “BALANCE THE BOAT!” Until I had many years under my belt did I realize how quickly and without warning we could all be in the cold water. After finally making it home which is usually a 3 hour run, it took us 8 hours , there was no atheists on the boat that day. And randomly he would have me open the aft hatch so see if there was water in it. He didn’t ever trust the alarms. Another was the shaft log we called it. You referred to it as shaft seal. He was 80 so he had different names for everything. Getting in a dark hole with a flashlight to make sure it’s not pouring in water. Anyway this brought back memories. Also. Worked on a bottom fishing gill net boat in January for monkfish couldn’t resist the money. Worst week of my life. The bycatch kill was just unbelievable and indiscriminate and if some of the mile long gill nets were soaking too long is was just bones and rotten things that resembled fish consistency of toothpaste. So I’m wrestling a 5 foot blue shark out of the net cause he’s tangled and it turns to toothpaste right in my hands. Worst thing ever. Dolphins dead in net. Didn’t see any sea turtles but he was working the rail and might have got rid of them before it got to me. Giant lobsters were caught in the net. I’m talking giant. From a few 100 ft 30-40 miles offshore. Like aquarium display size. Anyway I always thought I’m in good hands if the captain is always yelling at me to balance the boat. He was one of the boats that came to the aid of the f/v pelican when the charter boat was overloaded and was cold and spray was comin over the rail in October/November so all went to other side to avoid the spray and took a wave just right and the boat capsized something like 30+/- people were killed and most of the current rules were instituted after that tragedy. I had to read the book “the pelican” to understand why I must balance the boat the capt ordered me to do. Another thing I was in a mandatory random drug testing program or I couldn’t work on the boat. I had to have my drug card they called it. If coast guard ever stopped us and that would be on the list of requirements. Pain in the ass. Anyway great video rip Emmy rose.
That’s so sad about the bycatch. That’s why I don’t eat fish. A lot of people say well fish don’t feel anything and I say it’s about the bycatch of intelligent species like dolphins that get caught. I can’t support any industry that causes such senseless suffering.
Turn into toothpaste? What do you mean by that? They melt or something? That’s horrific
@judd0112
Balance the boat!
Yep. I've been on larger vessels more than once when the ballast transfer went too far, too fast, or past the mark. Not me! Honest.☺
That list gets the heart beat going.
The strangest one is when we realized that the water, cargo, and fuel load wasn't balanced correctly. We kept small forklifts in a shop at the front of the house. We used the gear to drop them into a hold. I didn't realize just how heavy those things were until they were causing a scary starboard list do to someone upstairs accidentally leaving them out of the loading calculations. That was in the '90s; and I can still feel that list. I spent a harrowing midwatch dealing with it It kept setting off the alarm for my generator sets head tanks low water level alarms. They'd slosh away from the sensor. Ugh. I'd check ballast transfer status, check hose topping off tanks to reduce alarms, while rushing to kill alarms at panel so that the Chief doesn't get an alarm in his ear in his bunk. I lost count of the ladders. Still annoyed at the mate. They could never explain to me how they didn't notice the list up there on their bridge. I could feel it at the bottom of my engine room next to the main engine controls.😡
@@byeyou1332 have you seen what water does to rock? Imagine that corrosion but on something soft.
by catch by bottom nets is the worst. killing the wild salmon and crab industries up in alaska
I've fished off the wharfs right next to the Emmy Rose many times before... Yet I didn't even know it had sank. That really bums me out, I've probably even talked to some of them in passing conversation. I would pick the nets when they would leave them up for cleaning looking for cool bones and shells and other neat and stinky stuff. I don't watch TV, but I'm really surprised I didn't hear about this.
Don’t feel bad, the news is often on at my place but I don’t remember hearing about it.
Well, it'll eventually create an artificial reef type situation that'll attract fish. In a weird way that'd be like paying it forward to future fisherman, right?
@@mr.onethirtyeight5088 not so much at 800 feet and where it sunk, at least I do not think so. If it was in much shallower water where you can line fish and spear fish then sure, but then at that depth the bodies would have been recovered and the boat would probably have been raised for investigation purposes.
I have personally started to transfer fuel, among many other constant duties, and fell asleep after yet another 20-hr day in the Bering. Cook shook me awake "Jack!! The boat is lisping!" (sic). I immediately remembered and reversed the transfer until we stabilized but it was a distinct slant-
"Needed a good paint job, and that was it".
Paint doesn't make the corrosion stop. New steel added to the stern, means dissimilar metals next to, or in contact with each other. Add some daily sea water immersion, acids and enzymes from the decomposing marine life entrails dripping into that area..
Then slap a few new coats of paint over it. Now all that corrosion is just impossible to monitor.
Paint does stop corrosion, but only from the side where there's paint applied.
@@TonyRuleOnly if you removed the previous corrosion (as part of properly preping the surface for the paint) otherwise the trapped air and moisture will just continue eating the metal under the paint.
I don't think it capsized. Imagine the holds, full of 3, 4, 5 feet of water, and a full catch. Boat wallowing in the water and crew asleep or complacent ignoring the situation, thinking someone else is on watch while the captain is asleep....Then a slightly bigger wave comes along and swamps it. There is no remaining buoyancy and even as the ship rights it slips under. The crew don't realize they are sunk till water hits their bunks.
That's about the size of it
I hope none of them struggled and passed in their bunks.
That’s what I thought, it reminds me of the mighty fitz. Slow and steady water ingress until immediate sinking, no time for distress call.
I've been a Gloucester fisherman for over 50 years. Have been deckhand, cook engineer, fish hold man and have captained many boats.
After reading this great article about the history of this vessel my take on it is a problem in the lazarette with either the stuffing box, where the main shaft goes through the hull to the propeller, loosened up or something happened to cause it to have water come in, or a rudder post was a problem. Hardley anyone goes down the lazarette and it's the most vulnerable part of a steel boat in my opinion. Reading about problems when it was named Sasha leads me to believe they had shaft issues, maybe out of line or something that caused the boat to have problems before.
One of my biggest fears over the years was someone at the wheel falling asleep and surprised there aren't a lot more mishaps then recorded. God bless the crew and their families.
It seems there should be more monitoring of the lazarette water ingress. Presumably, there's a bilge pump in there, so it it runs for more than a set time it should alert.
Very possibly catastrophic lazarette problem the rudder might have fallen completely out she sank Stern first and landed on her bottom that's what happened to a Cape May scallop boat they thought had been hit by a ship it had a large ramp off the stern with legs going down the water line that gave way in heavy weather with a monster bag of scallops that was on deck in the pictures of the vessel on the bottom I looked at that ramp when the boat was at the dock a few months before she went down and shook my head I took a lot of heat for my opinion until the inquiry proved that what I was saying was true
As a merchant mariner it really makes no sense why they were pumping fuel from one side to the other unless they had a broken fuel line or pump. Whatever happened to them it must have been quick or they were asleep until the last moments. So tragic. RIP to the crew.
Could they have been trying to compensate for a list?
Landlubber here but I don't get why they need to pump fuel back into the tanks at all.
@@darthkarl99 the fuel pump moves much more fuel than the engines can consume. Even your car engine returns excess fuel to the fuel tank.
@@Knirin Wait really? I assumed it varied the pump rate with the engine speed TBH.
@@darthkarl99 yeah, it makes sure that if you press on the accelerator the engine is never starved of fuel and can have fast throttle response.
i used to be a groundfish observer in the northeast and I regularly worked on converted shrimp boats with rigging similar to the Rose. what you said about how the fishermen view that as the standard configuration is very true and i had no idea it reduces stability. also drug use is very common on the boats, not just weed, but heroin and crack as well. this is an excellently researched doc, i love all your work. the loss of the rose was profound in the community and many fishermen would often talk about it.
Also, if anyone has any questions about observing, please ask. lots of pros and cons and a lot of info i wish i knew before hand.
One of the things I love about this channel its that it seems to draw intelligent and experienced people. There is a lot of very good knowledge in the comments.
Seriously? Heroin and crack ?! 😮😢
@@iwaslikeameliooo What could possibly go wrong?
@@iwaslikeameliooo heroin is excellent at killing the pain a life of fishing will cause you, and crack (more likely meth) will keep you up and sharp all night
Thank you for your work Brick Immortar. Too many people only focus on the big, well covered accidents. All loss of life is a tragedy, no matter how it happened. Its important to record and remember events like these.
Fascinating Horror also covers many little known tragedies, mostly land based.
Very well stated and also very true. BI clearly puts a lot of time and effort into his videos, and it really shows. The uniqueness of the subjects, the storytelling, the production values, the verifiable facts and so much more - they’re all on point. All while steering clear of unnecessary drama. 10/10.
Sure, preventable accidents are all tragic but bigger accidents with more loss of life are objectively more tragic.
@@kevintemple245 another favorite UA-cam channel of mine. Great content in both of these channels.
@@bigballz4u yes, true. But the real true tragedy is forgetting. Forgetting these people in the “smaller” accidents is like dying all over again. Once literally and again in the minds of the people who live on.
As a historian, your care for human life while also telling their stories in a way that keeps people invested is so rare. I love that you frequently criticize the ways that laborers are so often put in harms way by the greed and pride of leadership. On top of all that, your voice is so lovely!
I'm a HF radio listener and amateur radio operator..I often listen to New England fishing fleets' radio chatter. These guys are talking to each other on the radio basically nonstop.
Vessels generally are equipped with several types of communications equipment.
The standard VHF marine radio offers communications range of 10-25 miles from ship to ship, depending heavily on the height of the antennas themselves. VHF marine radios are required in all of these types of vessels and most will have three, four or five VHF radios alone. For vessels that travel on the high seas, long-range communications capability is also required per US and international law. This may be a HF SSB (single side band) radio (often simply called the "SSB radio"), a satcom transceiver, a satellite phone system, a voice/data satellite terminal for access to email/Internet - or, as is usually the case, all of the above.
HF radio provides very long range communications capability and does not require a subscription type service like satcom equipment does. There are hundreds of frequencies on the HF radio spectrum that are specifically allocated to marine use worldwide.
New England fishing fleets use many of these official marine frequencies for ship to ship chatter and also use "out of band" frequencies that are NOT allocated for marine use (the New England fisheries like to hang out on frequencies allocated to military radio, broadcasting and other services).
The reason behind this is the company (shore based radio) is likely listening to the official marine frequencies, so using an out of band frequency means the conversations are often much more informal.
The point made about these guys being in almost constant close voice contact with each other is very valid. They use HF radio with range of thousands of miles to talk to other vessels that are at the most a few hundred miles away. I've heard them on 6090 kHz, 6095 kHz, 6212 kHz (which is a legal legit marine frequency), 6953 kHz, 6959 kHz, 6969 kHz, 6979 kHz and several others, usually in the 6 MHz band but outside the 6200 kHz - 6525 kHz 6 MHz HF marine frequency allocation. The 6525 kHz - 6765 kHz band is used for long-range aeronautical (aircraft) radio communications, and aircraft frequencies are avoided by anybody with half a brain. 6765 kHz to 7000 kHz is a misc. users allocation (fixed/mobile, which means military users, other users that aren't marine, aircraft, amateur [ham] radio operators are found here - the 6765 to 7000 kHz spectrum is very popular with South American fishing fleets as well). Below 6200 kHz, the allocation is for shortwave broadcasting, down to 5800 kHz or so. With the decline of shortwave radio broadcasting, the broadcasting allocations are also very popular with HF radio users who are looking to "hide" (usually from their company's shore based radio station) on a "private channel" hence the use of 6090 kHz in addition to the frequencies in the 6765 to 7000 kHz range.
That aside - These guys (fishing fleets, New England, Gulf Coast, Latin American, Caribbean, everywhere...) are talking on the radio basically nonstop, to say nothing about their use of satphones, push-to-talk satcom based systems and data/satellite based email/Internet communications.
These vessels still have the old school HF-SSB radios because they work. They work without any outside infrastructure.
The EPIRB is a system of last resort. Modern SSB marine radios have what is called "DSC" capability (digital radio distress transmission without actually having to make a voice radio "mayday" call) and that means there's a red DISTRESS button on the radio control panel and pressing it automatically transmits your vessel's unique ID, GPS location and nature of distress via HF radio to the US Coast Guard (this is part of the GMDSS system, if the vessel is equipped with satcom capability, the same information would be transmitted via satellite and HF radio to the appropriate authorities).
Redundancy is important. This is why these vessels have so much communications gear.
A voice "mayday" call would still be done (if time allowed for it) but the push-the-button capability takes only a moment. If no GMDSS (DSC) distress call was received either...that means they had no time or something else happened.
Thank you for this video. I look forward to these
Despite the tragic nature of the stories, I'm always fascinated by the mysteries and explanations - especially the technical details and insights into these worlds - engineering, shipping, architecture, construction etc. Thank you.
Yeah it’s really interesting and informative although for me, I am always most interested in the little details given about the crew and their day in and day out operations, how they handled problems with equipment, how they got along, patterns in their behavior that paint a whole.
STOP WATCHING OTHER PEOPLES VIDEOS AND GET BACK TO WORKING ON MAKING YOUR OWN…!!!
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Just kidding - although I do love your videos!
I find these ship incidents quite fascinating. I was in the U.S. Navy for 13 years, plus quite a bit of time in the Bering Sea on a 32’ boat. As well as 16 - 25’ boats in open water off Washington state and California as well as Puget sound. The roughest seas I’ve been in were when I was stationed on MSO-437, taking blue water over the pilot house. They are 172’ long, 32’ wide with a 10’ draft and 620 tons. Made of wood. Of course the Navy doesn’t mess around, there’s a roving sounding and security watch 24/7, 365, and when doing any type of liquid transfer there’s constant tank soundings being taken. Also water tight integrity is strictly enforced. I suppose that’s why we were more afraid of fire than flooding. Of course we trained almost every day on emergency situations. RIP to the souls lost at sea.
Ethan was one of my childhood friends. He was 24 and i keep him in mind everyday out there. Rest east my friend.
I'm from Maine and appreciate you highlighting this case. We have lost alot of sailors over the years. I remember this in the papers and feel for the families and friends of those lost.
Mainer here too. I remember this boat and passed it many times. God rest their souls.
I think your change from using ship sim extremes with a B/W filter to MSFS was a wise one. I'm sad there aren't any more games out there that you could recreate these scenes for visual aid, but it seems like nobody is making cutting edge ship simulators these days. Great work as always and thanks so much for being a good content creator that doesn't oversensationalize tragic events. Your dedication and respect are a massive reason for this channels success. I'll be looking foreword to some answers for this case and I'm sure you'll be there to lay it all out.
NAUTIS Home is the newest and most cutting edge consumer ship simulator, it's not publicly available yet but they want to make their first release in 2022. It looks like it will be an amazing maritime simulator and a must have for Brick.
Stormworks seems like it would be a viable option. But, it’s not very graphically impressive and depending on how accurate any given creator would want to be with the models demonstrated, it could take a considerable about or work.
Channels like this are why I don't watch TV.
TV is why I don't watch TV. Channels like this are why I watch UA-cam.
Excellent coverage as always. That fill-in Deckhand's statements were chilling indeed. I also thought it was strange that the investigator had to ask the deceased's father about communication, you'd think they would have quick access to those logs. Thanks as always BI!
They probably knew a call had been made but when recording an interview it’s good to have every detail repeated and confirmed by a witness.
And? Just because they know a call happened doesn't mean they know what was said.
@@stephanieparker1250 yes that does make sense, to ask about the discussion. Thankfully calls aren't just auto-transcribed .. that's called wiretap! I didn't think about that lol.
The details from the captain of the sister ship and who was first mate on the Emmy Rose was eye-opening. The captain was asleep while undertaking a dangerous fuel transfer potentially shifting the centre of mass dangerously to the edge of disaster. The crew giving the attitude that they take no absolutely no responsibility, even when their own lives are at stake, for the buoyancy of the boat and making sure the captain is awake during such a vital period.
Listening to that, and hearing no intention for changes of behaviour by the crew, I think it was merely a matter of time that the boat sank.
I’m willing to bet he transferred fuel fell asleep and the boat flipped over and sank…that’s why it all happened so quick.
@@FarNorthAnglersAs others (with experience in such things) have stated, it isn't likely she flipped. To flip over and land upright would have left a large debris field and stripped almost everything off the deck, which is not what we see. Instead there is no debris field and everything appears to be in place, meaning she almost certainly sank upright/by the stern/bow.
This blew me away! I was 80 miles offshore in 20-foot seas, in a 30-foot sloop, for 7 hours. Finally, at 6am, when things had calmed down, I hove to for 20 minutes so I could go down below and make a cup of coffee.
Fishing is a dangerous job!
I wish you’d do more of these nautical cases, they’re absolutely superb. The depth (no pun intended) you go into regarding these sinking tragedies is top notch. Thanks for the superb videos.
Amazing job! I think this illustrates how even competent crews can become accustomed to risk when it's something they experience every day.
You do a good job breaking down reports in a way most people can understand. If there's one thing I've learned from watching your video is that most sinkings like this. It's almost always a combination of age, lack of maintenance, improper operations and substantial modifications beyond what the vessel intended for.
I was a shrimper for 10 years captain for 7 and I learned there is no way to set up fuel tanks that you don't have to check the levels at least every 10 minutes even more often when running the engine harder even with all valves open one side is always preferred for fuel return and you can wind up sideways with just a 20 minute lapse in awareness
This channel is amazing because it shines light on these seemingly small communities. The thing that amazes me the most is how many people that personally know the victims actually comment on these videos. It adds another layer of authenticity to these videos
Well it makes sense for people from these communities who were personally affected to be watching videos such as these about the incidents in question.
I would love to see an update on this sad story. RIP to all those lost at sea.
At first, I thought the captain might have been narcoleptic, but when the inspector said the captain seemed angry to be woken up, I was like hm... maybe not then.
It seemed to me that he was angry at having fallen asleep, I've certainly been there.
I'm much more worried about a sleepy captain than I am stoned deckhands.
There was a comment about taking and returning fuel to more than one fuel tank at a time ...... this is a very dangerous thing to do because if the boat heals to one side for a considerable length of time the fuel from the higher tank can flow through the return line to the lower tank compounding the healing moment.
Also if a boat of this size capsizes and sinks especially in deep water it will often right its self on the way to the bottom mainly because of the weight built low in the hull like engines and pumps.
Ps I have a marine engine drivers certificate and spent many years both on the seas working similar vessels and also in the construction of fishing vessels as a fitter and welder.
I now look forward to this channel more than most others because of the level of time and effort you put into these videos. These are just incredibly fascinating, I literally never knew how much I wanted to learn about ship disasters and ships lost at sea until your channel.
I really appreciate your channel! I have been interested in maritime safety issues since the Estonia disaster, which really touched me at the time (I'm from Finland and was 6 years old when it happened). I have since watched my fair share of documentaries in the field. I have to say you've nailed it with these videos! The cases are very interesting without unnecessary sensationalism. And I love the fact that you take time to explain the multiple (possible) reasons for these tragedies and what recommendations are given to avoid them in the future.
There some real humanity behind your immaculately carried out work. This really makes it apart from the voyeuristic work that is so common on UA-cam. What you do is on a completely different level. Thank you.
Just found your channel about 2 weeks ago, gotta say, excellent and amazing content. Loved the El Faro video, I live in Puerto Rico and i thought i knew about the ship from the news but i wasn't informed about 98% of the details in your vid. Insane and so preventable. Keep up the great content bro!
Just got done fishing on the opposite ocean. These videos always chill me.
Fascinating, well researched and very well produced. This is approaching PBS quality and it exceeds it in the direct narration and story progress. Very well done.
I feel like what some people think happened to the Fitz might have happened here. The following sea picked up the rear of the vessel and shoved the bow down into the ocean imploding the front glass and quickly sinking the ship.
I would rather navigate a 12-15 ft head sea than a 6-8 following. Makes it extremely difficult to control unless you can stay ahead of them.
I was thinking nearly the same thing. I used to kayak on Lake Ontario off of Toronto. Sometimes as an experiment I'd let a fair bit of water enter the boat and then tighten up the spray-skirt again. In a mild following wave scenario it was extremely hard to keep the boat from broaching (turning sideways to the waves) or from nose diving under the waves. On a vessel that relies on its rudder for steerage, I'd imaging that those effects would be even more pronounced. If the crew were asleep or otherwise occupied, especially if below deck, then a high following wave might have cause the sudden loss of the boat with no time for a distress call. Another possibility is a rogue wave from astern.
I love the fact that you don't speculate, but you verify the facts of the story.
Your work is much better than almost all things on TV
Forty minutes ago I'd have denied any interest in the loss of a commercial fishing boat, beyond the fate of the crew. I was quite mistaken. The immersive quality of this doc- due as much to your hypnotic narration as the quality of the content, had me totally invested in the Emmy Rose;s mysterious vanishing. I'll be back for futher analysis of her last voyage as info becomes available.
I was surprised to hear they use converted Gulf Shrimp boats, up there in New England. I would not expect that such "flat" bottomed/low freeboard boats would work well in those kind of seas,
This is a truly special channel. This guy will probably never get the recognition he deserves on this platform. I hope there is a book and a podcast coming.
I fished out of new Bedford for 5 years right down the street from Carlos. The outriggers on trawlers is used to hanp steel plates called birds . They are used to stabilize the boat in rough weather. Great video
I gotta ask, is it common to ask a government observer on a ride along if they are comfortable with weed??? Cuz that’s seems wild to me
I can't help but wonder if a locomotive-style "Dead Man's Hand" alerter system would have saved this crew and ship, given the captain's sleepy nature.
Consider the following: this system could be mandated for installation on commercial vessels expected to operate with only 1 crew memeber at the helm at a time. After, say, 4 minutes of no pressing/releasing the alerter pedal or making any sizeable control inputs, a lound audio warning would play at the helm. After 2 more minutes, the alarm would become ship-wide to alert the entire crew that there is nobody at the helm.
Those times may be too short or long, especially in poor weather, and I'm sure negligent crews would disable the system for its annoyance factor, but it might still be something worth looking at.
RIP for the crew. And thank you for another great video, BI.
Your suggestion is admirable but only addresses the symptoms...not the cause. Any captain that does not set strict schedules, get sufficient rest, leaves the helm during critical operations and risks the safety of his boat and crew should not be piloting a vessel in the first place...period.
Chances are it was on autopilot and everyone was asleep.
Someone should always be on watch at the helm
A new video???? Thank you Brick! It will be a good day
My brother once told me that sailors were often high on fishing boats.
I’ve watched just about all of your content, in fact, I had zero interest in maritime disasters until I accidentally found your channel. You do such a great job of reporting what happened without sensationalism.
A few months late, but this story caught my attention when it was on the local news back then here in Mass. Although I'm very much a NE beachgoer, incl. Gloucester and the CC Nat'l Seashore, I don't know much about the fishing industry except that it can be dangerous. This vid was a crash course in the details of F/Vs, so thank for providing such a detailed and factual presentation. Anyway, just wanted to add that as you suggested, the NTSB report of Aug. 23 concludes that problems began with the lazarette: "The probable cause... was a sudden loss of stability (capsizing) caused by water collecting on the aft deck and subsequent flooding through deck hatches, which were not watertight or weathertight because they had covers that did not have securing mechanisms, contrary to the vessel’s stability instructions and commercial fishing vessel regulations." It's worth noting that hours before Emmy Rose sank, according to a girlfriend of one of the crew members, they were celebrating their largest haul ever; though, sadly, I imagine that added weight may have also cost them their lives.
Thank you for a well-produced and accurate docu.
On Deadliest Catch, where they had film crews and satellite hookup and ptofessional advisors, even then, you'd see seasoned crew making stupid mistskes, you'd see captains falling asleep at the wheel, you'd see errors in judgement. And at the end of the season, there'd be roundtable discussions about what had been done right and wrong, and sometimes the captains would disagree, sometimes vehemently. And that's all with a small group of ships and crew. Imagine what it'd be like on a ship without that kind of coverage and oversight. I'm guessing it'd be like one of these videos.
Excellent work, Brick.
Was literally JUST thinking how we did not have a ton of information on this incident just last week. Thanks for all your research and fact-finding efforts. You do a great job approaching these incidents from a non-biased angle and respecting those that lost their lives. Keep up the great work.
I love these types of videos. I have them on while I'm painting miniatures but I usually end up getting so interested in the video that I just sit back and watch it on its own
Haven’t even watched , I just know I check everyday for a new maritime video because they are truly incredible and this comes from a commercial fisherman!
I’m very curious to hear if this channel is becoming known amongst commercial seafarers like yourself? I have absolutely nothing to do with this industry or the ocean at all and I just watch because they’re so riveting, but it must be much more so for you guys.
@@Syclone0044 Not that I know of. Im quite a bit younger than the majority of the fleets in the area which could play a significant role in that. I’ve worked the docks where the Emmy Rose tied up. I currently fish for lobster out of New Hampshire so this story hits close to home .
I’m surprised that these boats don’t have a on board computer system that will warn you that the boat is too heavy or not balanced properly.
Whoa... Registration (& relevant training) not required for many smaller craft operators, no compulsory drug testing, no compulsory stability inspection currently required after every significant craft modification...? 😳 It really does sound as if the fishing industry over there is still largely operating "Wild West".
Like you, deeply hope that awful incidents like this may lead to that situation changing, so that crews & their families can face less drastic levels of unmanaged risk. Raising consumers' awareness of conditions in the industries they support via their buying decisions is essential too, so thank you for that!
Right I am mind blown that I can’t find more comments talking about them asking an observer on a ride along if they are cool with weed… like what?
I just happened to be binge watching your content when I saw this notification. As always, thank you so much for the Incredibly informative and balanced analysis of this event.
This is a good channel to binge watch. :)
My UA-cam notifications cease while I’m in the app (unlike Instagram). Do you have multiple devices? That’s the only way I know if someone replies to my comment while I’m still in the comments for instance.
It's weird that the NOAA observer didn't mention the captain falling asleep at the wheel when he was asked specifically about the captains sleep patterns.
My grandfather was a lobsterman for a while, that was until the boat he was on sank during a nor’easter, fortunately he was a mile off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard and was able to get to shore, the ocean is a scary place
Jeez.... what a story that must be
I have the utmost respect and appreciation for the investigation that you put into your videos. Thank you! I'm always delighted to discover you've uploaded a new video!
Thank you very much for this. The depth and clarity you bring to these painful topics help more than you might know. Forgetting the past leads to its repetition, and some tragedies should never get a second act.
Thanks again Brick. Heavy hearts are glad for your work. Please keep up the excellent job.
Love seeing your videos pop up on my feed. It’s great stuff you’re doing and producing man!
The quality of production of your videos is just amazing. Thank you!
I just want to say that your videos do an amazing job of conveying sheer hopelessness. It’s genuinely impressive
These are some of the best produced videos on this platform great job man keep it up!
Hey !! I just wanted to leave a comment to say your videos are so good! I seriously can't get enough! I saw one, then kept watching, and then quickly watched all of your videos. I really enjoy the way you lay out your videos and your amazing and detailed explanations! Love the videos so much!!
Brilliant video! Loved all the details, the background of the vessel, quotes from witnesses, and I especially loved the body cam footage of the coastguard doing an inspection! Well done!
Just stumbled upon your channel tonight and am blown away. Excellent detailed coverage, attention to lesser known accidents, great narration - Just outstanding. Thank you as this obviously takes a lot of work.
I watch the series "disasters at sea" and if you look at some of the disasters at sea where the ship went down without anyone surviving and/or no report of distress it happened because of the loss of buoyancy and the vessel just sank straight down. Normally this would occur with bulk carriers taking on water in the forward/bow compartments which resulted in bow sunk and down they go. If they had a full load onboard with unnoticed flooding well that could have sent it to the bottom without any notice whatsoever. Boats are supposed to have flooding alarms but that is taking for granted that an alarm would actually work when needed.
Very informative video, well done. It's very clear you've done a lot of research & put a lot of effort into this. Very respectfully done towards those who've passed also. Good stuff, BI!
The final NTSB report indicates; "We determined that the probable cause of the sinking of the fishing vessel Emmy Rose was a sudden loss of stability (capsizing) caused by water collecting on the aft deck and subsequent flooding through deck hatches, which were not watertight or weathertight because they had covers that did not have securing mechanisms, contrary to the vessel’s stability instructions and commercial fishing vessel regulations."
Another great video. Thank for the great care and effort you out into your channel. It shows, all your videos are of great quality.
Thank you so much for doing this. A really well done documentary. And the fact that these are passion projects! Hats off to you sir!
This is really well researched and presented. You did a fantastic job at presenting the facts as they are. The chosen images improved the experience. You also have, in my opinion the best radio voice in this niche. Cheers!
OMG
They were all asleep!
They were burning on one side, a seal might have failed on the shaft, and they rolled and sank, they woke up when it rolled, but they couldn't send a signal a hundred yards inverted. The boat righted as she sank to the seafloor and dragged all the mariners with her.
This is the best content on the internet. I am glad I found it. Incredible detail and I love the facts described.
Great vid Brick Immortar. I really appreciate your in-depth narration style. RIP to the souls lost and condolences to their families.
When a boat or ship sinks and ends up perfectly upright like that, it's almost always a result of sudden flooding leading to a complete loss of buoyancy. Otherwise it would have rolled over while it sank.
Longtime subscriber and I must say you do damned fine videos! Well researched, very well narrated, and all done with respect of those involved. Many thanks for yet another excellent video!
Another great and well-produced video. Thank you for the quality content!
I found your channel threw UA-cam recommended videos , love your work very through- your an excellent story teller ! Thank you for helping so many - positive energy sent your way from Sunny Florida 🌞🌞⚜️⚜️
I just wanted to say thank you for this video and report! It was done very respectfully to the ones who lost loved ones! I'm sure this must have taken a great deal of work and times to put together! Great detail ! Way to go!
As a Gloucester native, this tragedy hits hard
Such a thoughtful and well organized analysis. I love your videos.
These videos are so helpful. You will save lives with your videos. Don’t stop!!
Appreciate all your hard work putting video together.
Really really appreciate the use of resources in this video. Providing the audience with knowledge based on direct and secondary sources. including legislation, the professional analysis done by the relevant authorities turns what normally is an exploitative genre of videos into something which brings awareness to an industry that people spare little thought on.
Explaining the relationship between factors is what an analysis is. This is a prime example of an educational, informative, and respectful telling of a tragic event.
I was beginning to worry. Thanks for the new upload BI. You set the bar!
Got recommended to these videos looking through other safety videos for work and school (long-time paramedic now in EHS), and these investigations and presentations are amazing. Great job sir!
You really do some incredible work sir. I'm happy to have come across your channel, and thank you for making these videos.
Consistently one of the best atmospheres on this platform. Another great video
Great video. You put a lot of work and effort into this project. Good job. No cutting corners.
So incredibly thorough it’s impressive! I don’t recall hearing about this in the news but 2020 was a hectic year.
Another great vid - I like your explorations of the more technical side and your attention to commercial and smaller vessels - keep up the good work. Greetings from across the Pond.