Thank you for this video. I was the lead game designer on Fallen Earth and it’s nice to see someone get it. This video was extremely fair snd accurate. I wish we had been able to do more, but I’m proud of what we did. Thank you, brightened my day.
I think Josh's reviews are valid. It's pretty much the impression of a person starting a new game. If the game is a chore at the start you're not going to make to that hundreds of hours good content.
@@steffithemad8327 Same. I enjoyed the most questing. Best sidequest stories ever! Main quest is lacking. I got to endgame, made tons of alt, lev crafts, made tons of sets, did dungeons, bought houses, 1k champion lev, aaaand done. Took like 2k hours. PvP was horrendous with all the lag and ani cancels to win fights.
If the game is designed with the first 100 hours a totally not immersive slog fest, and not helping to boil the story down to "the world is deteriorating, send help" with encouragement to discover it yourself, the writer's aren't doing their job, are they?
Maybe if he didn't have such a clickbaity name for this series people would react less negatively... it's literally called "Worst MMO Ever" (the "?" only adds extra clickbait) and unless you've watched a number of episodes you won't know it's actually a balanced take.
@@tarnetskygge Is it clickbait-ey? Yes, but if those same people would watch even the first 5 minutes of the video they'd realize how balanced the review is.
deep down, in their souls, like completely honest, all those people know they are playing a fucking JANKY ass game. Sure it has some charm but this thing looks like crap. it looks better than a lot of MMO's he's played, but when you look at games out in 2023, and you look at this, I would be afraid of what the opinion was going to be as well. Reminds me of the cult, bunch of wierdos huddled together defending their sacred text in a rundown shack.
It honestly is a fun game. I played it when it first came out, 13 years ago, and it was pretty great, just stupidly unstable. That's why the game died, from what I understand, just too laggy and buggy. As long as this "classic" Steam version has fixed that, it should be a great time. I'll be downloading it for sure.
This game has a lot of really weird people in the community and their chat is filled with spam about the people there being racist. Not sure if it was just a troll or not but it went on for like 15-20 minutes before the dude finally stopped. So I guess be wary
@@L3M0N4NDCH3RRYZZ That would of been a fun game to see what it was like, but at the same time I don't think the talk would be much different to what it is now.
It always baffles me when i see smaller games like this having really good voice acting while other much bigger games just sound like ass(or rely on the same 3 voice actors continuously). Really tells you who cared for the overall experience.
note, that this voice acting is prevalent in the beginning area of the game. The further you go into it, the less and less you will have until you get absolutely none anymore by the time you reach Kaibab Forest (map 3). It shows how this game was designed by the original devs (Icarus Studios), the further they went in development, the more sacrifices were clearly made until they abandoned development and gave the game to GamersFirst (who only care about nickle & diming their customers instead of fixing the game), THEN much later it was passed to Little Orbit.
@@Kronosfobi the issue is that voice acting is very very expensive so it's hard to keep adding more of it as you keep building more game. And given how many talk about the game when it came out, VAs can't save a game with issues. People don't go 'the are problems that make the game hard to enjoy but the voices make me want to keep coming back.' So it might've been better to not go all out on voices if it meant more resources to make the game itself better polished.
RIO, or Raised In Oblivion had the same sad end... Then they are forced to release a unfinished game to get cash and when, if they, manage to finish they work, no one is interested anymore...
It's not a "lack of budget" problem but more like an "not aged well" problem. This game is from 2009. It was released 3 years after Playstation 3 and 4 years before Playstation 4
I was the Test Lead on that game back when it launched originally. I really appreciate your review. I appreciate that you point to the good along with the bad. Thanks for that.
I still remember the CHOTA starter zone with lots and lots of players everywhere. I found this game through Thottbot sidebanner commercials back in 2009.
Little Orbit is such a weird/interesting company. From what I remember, they mostly produce licensed trash, but have a side-hobby of salvaging doomed games. Most notably saving Unsung Heroes, the massive Kickstarter disaster, from certain death. Certainly not producing a masterpiece, but delivering a product to backers who the original developers left with nothing. Resurrecting Fallen Earth gives me a similar vibe, a side project done done from the place of love for the medium rather than from hope for serious profit.
I feel like that's basically what FDev has been doing with Elite Dangerous; Elite is too niche of a product to get made and supported, but FDev has that sweet Roller Coaster Tycoon money and they used the Kickstarter to trick the suits
Wow, someone hook them up with Defiance's license, or City of Heroes, or Tabula Rasa, or Auto-Assault, or Earth & Beyond, or any of the other janky-but-full-of-heart MMO's I loved and are now dead.
Man we had so many mmos in 2000s that would've been fantastic had they come out 10 years later with technology that could actually support their concepts.
Hardcore players really ought to realize that with every Josh review, good or bad, there will be an influx of players wanting to try out the game especially if the game is even somewhat good.
I think it's a standard problem with MMO. Due to the nature of the genre, these "hardcore" players invested a lot of times into the game. That, plus the whole open-world-do-whatever-you-want style, make it easy for some people to be overly invested and confuse their identity with the game itself. So, to them, any criticism of the game is also a criticism of them.
@QueeN Sadly, you're mistaken. My college friend flunked out because he played too much game. I failed 1 class (out of 3), withdrew from another, and barely passed the last class because I skipped classes to play games. That quarter was my wakeup call. It took my friend almost 2 extra years to get back to college.
This video was perfectly timed with my dissatisfaction for current MMORPGs. Most seem to unenjoyably hurry you along to max level; giving little effort to an engaging storyline, crafting, or have a damn cash shop. Not only did Fallen Earth scratch that classic MMO itch for me, there are hundreds of other new players that must have felt a similar way. The Steam charts appear to show the population tripled this last week. It's good to be a newb again! Thanks, Josh!
this game has some amazing voice acting. Props to anyone who worked on this game. You clearly knew what you wanted heard from the VA's and made them work for it. Seriously, good shit.
The "you have to play dozens of dozens of hours to review this game" argument never ceases to amaze because the moment you play dozens of dozens of hours and say negative things, the same people gatekeeping your review are the ones saying "well, if you dislike it then why did you play dozens of dozens of hours?"
I get why people say that, he skipped allmost of the crafting wich is probably the best part of the game, he did not evrn make a simple piece of gear, scavenging and crafting your makeshift equipment is my favourite part, but yeah i get it he will just talk about what he experienced, but its just a partial review
The latter is especially annoying when it comes to live service games (of which MMOs were basically the first), where the dozens of hours you played were likely for a version you _did_ enjoy that the devs subsequently changed in ways that you _didn't_ enjoy as much. This gets even worse when they try to say, "Well it's not like they took that enjoyment away from you," except that in changing it they _sort of have_ as it's slightly (or sometimes dramatically) not the game you used to enjoy. That's something I've grown to really dislike in games that I play alone but are run with the live service model (and aren't necessarily always online), and the forced updates across many platforms.
Love when a game manages to be "low budget, but high effort". It's easy to excuse big defects with "Well we don't have a huge team of programmers and heaps of cutting edge resources to make the game actually good", but the dav team of this game squeezed all the talent they had for everything it was worth, and it shows.
The issue with your flashlight turning off other lights can usually be attributed to the game engine's light count limit. This is fairly common to find in older games as computers weren't as powerfull back then. Say if the light limit was 8 and all those are in use by street lamps, one will have to turn off in order for you to turn on your flashlight. This is usually not an issue in more modern games as they have much better rendering techniques, like deffered rendering, wich allows for hundreds, if not thousands of lights. in addition, computers are in general more powerfull and can handle more :) Of course, there are ways to make it less visible but who knows why they didn't do more here :)
Also, turning off the light closest to and right in front of you is a really poor choice. Good tech artistry is to get away with the trickery without the player noticing. But you know... Good work takes time takes money. And there never is enough of that. (And if there is enough we usually get unimaginative AAA trash.)
I remember watching this when released, Im 4-500 hours Into the game now, never thought I would find something I would love through this series, but here we are :D
i love how thegame had around 50-70 stable players and after this video came out that went to 200 - 300 atleast for now. I think its a great game, did pay it when it was still ot under gameforge
So cool to see this game highlighted in your series! I worked on it for a number of years after it was launched on the first major expansion and the eventual exchange of hands of control of the game. So much jenk as you point out, but indeed it always fostered a dear place in all our hearts as dev team. There's so many cool ideas that we wanted to explore but never got the time or opportunity to. We really did love our fervent player base though. They really were the best and gave us so much motivation to continue up until the end.
holy shit what, were you with icarus or after? FE always has a special place to my heart as well, played beta 2009 already :) great reading your comment!
Just want to add my respects. Thanks for responding, and thanks for the time and effort and passion you put into these games. Developers who had that much love for their games and design seem to be fading from the larger scale "corporate" mindset these days. My son recent started getting into rebuilding old consoles and collecting older games, and He was amazed at just how much better quality the design of these game from that era really are. FEC is a gem, and I for one will be playing it now due to this review. So for any serious fans who were concerned about the review, it's a seller. There's only a few games on this series that I honestly think Josh gave this much praise to, and that's saying something.
"your experience is irrelevant if someone else has more of it" What a wonderful line. It's both sarcasm and not sarcasm at the same time. This seems like a great game that almost came out too early for it's own good.
I gave this a go after the video and I'm still playing it. lvl21, making my dune buggy and getting ready to leave Sector 1. The game has that 2000's smell, but the design is incredibly deep. What's most surprising is that quest text is actually worth reading. Yes, the writing for this game is genius at points. Quests are also in theme with the zone/settlement they're in. Yes, some quests still boil down to kill this x times, collect y of that, but mostly it's talking to more NPCs and then getting tasked with killing or collecting(which also usually is just 1 or 5+ items), which is incredibly refreshing from just getting slapped in the face with "kill 15 bandits". Crafting is so non intrusive it's actually beneficial to do while leveling. the game is designed to be crafting oriented and the design is spot on. The game IS good. It's janky, but good. If you care more about design than the flashy bits, it's worth a try.
I just love the idea that they potentially wanted to stop you from writing a generally positive review until you had a chance to experience the end game and then you might hate the end game and completely flip your review on its head. Lmao. Lol, even. Also, as a side note, I really appreciate how you don't stick to an over-simplified "numerical score out of 10" reviewing system. It really helps to show and tell what's good and what's bad and not try to dumb it all down to a single number. Keep up the good work!
"We can't have the cult indiscriminately killing people they disagree with!" "So I go and indiscriminately kill the cult because I disagree with them." Sitting alone at my desk - I cracked up. That was too funny.
@@MrRafagigapr Whilst you surely enjoyed crafting if he himself did not enjoy it or just did not go into it in the review it does not make his opinion on all the other parts good, or bad worse. Crafting on its own no matter how glorious is simply one mechanic and doesn't make up for flaws in other mechanics. I get why you are saying it since it is your favorite part of the game but relatively speaking most people are not that much into crafting regardless of how good or bad said mechanic is.
@@MrRafagigapr So the crafting's okay? Well, add that to the voice acting, and that it's a shooty fps/mmo... and then remove the massive amounts of janky broken crap, and are we still left with a +?
Played Fallen earth when it went Free to play years before it was shut down, it was a pretty fun fallout style mmo for the time. Love that the devs put up a classic version, fans wanted to play it when they announced a new Fallen earth mmo in development
Missing out on one of the best parts of this game, the faction wheel system. Managing to have 6 separate factions that all tie in with each other and provide balance was a work of genius.
Love this game and it still has my favorite crafting system of any MMO. One thing is the economy is set up where crafters need mats from all levels, so even low level players can scavenge copper or rubber to make decent chips. This carries on throughout the game when people need to make things like gasoline for vehicles or even weapons and armor.
I bought and played this when it came out. It looked like such a cool idea. But, none of my friends would buy it. It was so confusing and clunky and I had no idea what I was doing and wasted hours just dying and confused.
same lol, Still have it in Steam as just Fallen Earth, it was full of hackers when i played, as well as the game breaking debuff i found in second area..
This is what it was like playing any complex RPG at that time period. That's why I'm such a wiki warrior now as an adult haha. Look at The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind for example. That thing is my benchmark, and fallen earth classic is about half of that in complexity. I went back to this game as an adult and its all easy to understand with a bit of research. I've been really enjoying it with a group of friends.
I don't even play MMOs anymore, but I still watch this series. There's something about Josh's snarky British commentaries that just gets me watching non-stop
I've only played one mmorpg my entire life (GW2, exclusively because i am a furry and i liked the design of the charr) but i also watch these bc i love the commentary. the snark is fantastic
Definitely agree. I have a hard time enjoying/ finding the right MMO, but I stumbled across the channel, and it's because of his wit and well written thesis that I keep coming back to his channel!
Thanks to Josh, he has made me pick up an MMO! A genre I haven't touched. It is finally nice to find a gaming UA-camr that doesn't use hyperbole and is able to analyse games beyond a surface level from a player's perspective.
I can't say I'll try the game, but it's nice to see such a favorable take on it. One thing I like about the "Worst" series is how many actual gems you seem to find. I hope the team behind it keeps working, and maybe does that monetization thing so they can hire more staff and give it the polish it needs. It sounds like the fans deserve it.
I’ve played MMOs since RuneScape 2 first came out around 2001. I will still never understand the argument “yeah but wait it gets good - hours in” If I’ve been playing for 10hrs and the game still feels bad, I’m done. The game is not my thing and it’s not worth it to waste any more or my time. And if a game takes 100 hrs to get good, was it ever good in the first place?
your description of the game being post apocalyptic but with hope makes me think the devs took my fave sir terry pratchett quote to heart: “Why does the third of the three brothers, who shares his food with the old woman in the wood, go on to become king of the country? Why does James Bond manage to disarm the nuclear bomb a few seconds before it goes off rather than, as it were, a few seconds afterwards? Because a universe where that did not happen would be a dark and hostile place. Let there be goblin hordes, let there be terrible environmental threats, let there be giant mutated slugs if you really must, but let there also be hope. It may be a grim, thin hope, an Arthurian sword at sunset, but let us know that we do not live in vain.”
Well..... We do live in vain, if you arent famous you will be forgotten in 1 or 2 generation. Some of us are forgotten as soon as we die, because well because they were alone and had no friends nor family. I do not believe we have hope as humans any more, we never learn from anything. As long as there have been humans there have been suffering and wars. We know war and violence is bad, we know suffering and starvation is bad yet it happens, over and over and over again. Why? We are a selfish race, as long as me, myself have it good fuck everyone else. Well enough rambling. Good video Josh! :D
@@gandy84 but hope. it’s what keeps humanity going. that and the kindness of others. we all make an impact on peoples lives. we just dont always, if ever, know it. you may not always be remembered. but your actions and choices and how you treat others will be felt long after your gone.
Thank you Josh for providing a funny, realistic and fair review to my favorite MMO of all time. FE is a gem we must not let die, thankfully Little Orbit is giving it a chance. I could say so much of this game, how much fun hours I spent on it, how many friends and business partners (ingame economy) I made (there even was a clan of crafters with a fully functioning and stylized website dedicated to build vehicles on demand with a waiting list and all, all of it payed with ingame currency and fully compliant with ToS). But I'll just say this game has a special place in my heart and always will, it was part of some really good times in my life so it's deeply related to those good memories ingame and outside of. Thank you Josh, thank you a thousand times.
26:52 Because older engines like this have a physical limitation on how many lights can be in a scene at a given time. Usually around 3. Some games work around this limitation more clever than others, and this one clearly uses the simplest approach.
Just providing a little (too much) extra info for anyone happening across this comment. In really super old games (DirectX 7 and earlier) there was a hard limit due to the fact that everything went through the fixed function pipeline (shaders didn't exist until DirectX 8) and there were a limited number of lights available in the hardware. In anything more modern (DirectX 8 and later) it's limited by the number of lights you can shove into your shader parameters (partly a function of the DirectX version, partly a function of the video card, and entirely a function of how complex your shader code is.) Looks like this game came out in 2009 originally (if Wikipedia can be believed), so it probably uses DirectX 9 or 10 (more likely 9; 10 took awhile for people to adopt). There are ways of fudging limitations, of course. One way would be to do multiple render passes on the scene, rendering objects in groups depending on which lights they need (a little slower, depending on the number of lights used and therefore the number of render passes required). Another thing that can be done is to ignore lights that are offscreen (or rather, only affect objects which are offscreen); this should just be done by any game engine, really. Modern game engines tend to use a combination of these tactics (and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of right now) to render arbitrary numbers of lights. We still have these limitations today, we just have techniques to get around them and hardware which supports much more complexity.
I remember this was one of the first MMOs I ever played, and it was honestly amazing. It got me more interested in sci-fi MMOs and I ended up playing face of mankind, which still is so much different than any game I've played so far. It was everything I wanted, a living and breathing cyberpunk world with player-led factions and events. Then it died. In a way most MMOs have those social aspects that made the game's world feel alive, instead of harnessing a community the focus of developers seems to be on solo casual play. I understand why, most MMO gamers are older now and don't have the time to spend making events or meeting new people. It's such a shame what MMOs have become
I remember a response video to a Planetside 2 review where the guy basically claimed that you can't review a game if you don't have hundreds if not thousands of hours in it, making the point by showing off some ultra rare celebratory get together of some random dudes in the game saying "Can't review the game if you've never experienced this." I often think back to it thinking how dumb of a claim it is. That newb won't give a sliver of a shit about this. They're going to care about if this is worth getting into and why, and they can base that opinion off somebody's retelling of their 10 hour experience too.
Between the MMO analysis, Star Trek nostalgia, and Elder Scrolls Talk this video really hit home to me that middle aged nerds that grew up with video games are real, tangible generation now that I am proud to be a member of. Thank you so much for all the work you do, this was an awesome experience.
This game has a lot of really weird people in the community and their chat is filled with spam about the people there being racist. Not sure if it was just a troll or not but it went on for like 15-20 minutes before the dude finally stopped. So I guess be wary
I think this is the first time i've ever been interested in a game featured on the series. This game has such a great aesthetic and, despite janky combat, seems like so much fun. Thanks for showcasing this, I genuinely want to try it out.
Do it. It's one of my favorite MMOs ever. Flawed gem as Josh said. Don't play it for the combat. It gets better, good enough to not detract from what makes the game awesome, but never great. The atmosphere, crafting, and exploration are top notch though. There is always a goal I actually want to work toward.
@@kyotheman69 I would, but I love seeing things for the first time. I've played through every fallout game a ridiculous amount of times, and have worn out my welcome with the games I've always loved. I try to play them, and I start staring past the screen or just getting uncomfortable trying to focus on something that just cant hold my interest after so many years and playthrough. So finding something like this is always fun to do for a few days, maybe a few weeks, who knows.
Just a warning: Josh's comments about crafting only apply to the early game. Later game stuff can take days or even weeks to craft. Back in the day we would often joke that if they added vehicles more complex than cars we'd be able to craft them one part a month and maybe finish the whole thing before the heat death of the universe.
So far am playing it, reached level 9 and am currently doing quests in embry, its honestly very engrossing experience. Mainly focusing on perception and intelligence for crafting and gathering, then charisma and social to get better rates when selling to npcs or based on their own buy rates. Then rounding it with some dabbling in mutagens and pistoling.
Played from alpha to release and a couple years after. In its golden age with thousands of players around, it was such an amazing experience. One if the best mmo times.
Holy damn, checking steamcharts right now, from not breaking 200 player peak for months, to 433 peak today Damn this makes me even want to try it, and see all the new players
I remember following this game's development for years waiting for updates between long periods of silence. The beta and launch were an unmitigated disaster that caused me to walk away always meaning to return but never did.
Never played it but looks interesting. I'm the type of person that enjoys the leveling process and usually stop playing before or at endgame so I've never liked the idea of endgame is THE game.
That is exactly my way of playing MMOs. I like the progress and stories of many leveling parts, but have yet to find any that can keep me interested in the endgame.
Same for me and that is why it always annoys me whe games "streamline" the early game to the point you get through content in 2 days that used to take weeks.
Same, the best part of a MMO is the journey, experiencing things for the first time. Endgame is just replaying the same few pieces of content over and over, its very boring.
The thing about end game content is that when the game go forward again in a few months it becomes ex-endgame content which has all the grind of current end game content but rewards are worse then something you picked out a rats teeth in the newer area and area and its almost impossible to find someone to do it with. Since new endgame content comes with each major update in an old game you'll find dozens of wastelands of former endgame content each off which stole resources from the mid game content it came with.
You may very well like this one then. The endgame is actually quite lacking because there's a lot of effort put towards making the experience getting there more fun and rewarding.
Ah, Fallen Earth. One of those OG gems from the early-era MMOs. Back when the focus on fun and story "quirks" were so primo that it made the bugs and flaws mostly bearable. I'm really glad to hear that there's still a team that wants to still keep a server up and running just so people can still play it. Escaping the same, absolute garbage fate that City of Heroes experienced is no small victory, not to mention being a bit of a thankless/stressful job (especially concerning IP drama if some big name has a bad day). Mad props to those devs, doing the work that most shudder to even think about!
@@Nollis i still log on to Homecoming every few weeks to make new characters for fun but I remember progression feeling better, like it meant a lot to gain a new power and now it just feels super lacking.
This game was always an "It could be SOOOO good!" game. When it was still alive the first time through, the major issue wasn't the epic grind to get the very hyped pieces of equipment (atv, etc.) but it was the fact that each leveling area was broken into sectors and once you were done with one, you were done. Even with thousands of people online, it was a vast, empty game because nobody would ever return to those original sectors. If you found yourself not playing for a week, everyone you were originally seeing and playing with would have moved on to a new sector and you'd be on your own, and vice versa. That said, I now want to give this game another try because I really did love the slowness and atmosphere of it all!
21:50 I've also always seen these guides as very much the new player experience, which is the most important part of the game imo. If you don't ever get players past the first chunk of hours, you don't have a game. I've said that about books before too. It doesn't matter how good the twist ending or climax is if no one reads it because the first half of the book is miserable
OMG I have missed this game so much. So many great memories can't wait to download it again. This was always one of my fav MMO's. Thank you Josh for this really honest review.
What i find funny is that this game would have been considered AWFUL in 2009. But in 2022, we've had a total regression of MMOs to the point where this actually has a lot of good aspects. FEELS AWFUL MAN.
@@MrRafagigapr Yep, I paid my sub for quite a while. But I couldn't justify it for the long term. Going back when it went ftp and seeing what they did for a cash shop broke my heart. Glad to see it revived in a proper form.
I played this when it first came out. The server lag and the greedy cash job just crippled the game for me. Also, the combat was really unbalanced; melee was terrible and guns were amazing. I hope the new dev team addressed these issues.
I remember playing this way back before it went FTP. I remember spending hours leveling up and scraping together a motorcycle and finding a group who was riding together up to one of the big cities. Ended up in a huge convoy of players traveling together as it was safer and easier for newbies to find the city. That was one of the best MMO experiences I've had but the rest of the game was clunky as hell. Still fun though.
@@MichaelDeGar It still stands out as one of my fondest MMO memories and this was 13 years or so ago and I've been playing MMO's on and off for 20 years.
I remember going into a city and seeing player made muscle cars and going into a bar with gambling in the basement… this was a great mmo. With the new Fallout tv show in the headlines they need to find a way to promote this game again.
This video makes me want to try out Fallen Earth Classic. I've seen enough from the gameplay and heard enough from the commentary in the video to say that, despite its janky flaws, the game seems genuinely good, and that it has a charm that I would enjoy.
Hey Josh really enjoyed going through your channels backlog over the past couple weeks great to see how you've grown as a creator. Love the vids keep em coming
Bless gamers. It's always about gatekeeping opinions instead of accepting that sometimes your game could improve somewhat. I don't always agree with some of your opinions, but I still enjoy listening to your input. You go very far out of your way to fully explore what you can in your usual what 8-10 hours? That's more than I feel many reviews go into. Keep up the great work!
On the other hand, people will play this game for 0.3 seconds then call it the worst piece of shit known to mankind. I don't really blame the community, though I agree they can be a little stubborn. I think it boils down to them having fought past the jankiness to the point that they don't notice it anymore.
It truly is unfortunate that Josh's positive opinion about the game is entirely discredited because he did not play 100 hours of it already! :D Of course, not a single person has ever made that argument. You are only ever told "you can't review the game before playing it entirely" if you are saying even the smallest negative thing.
Oh my god. I remember playing this game years ago with friends. Getting our first cars was such a great moment. Also, as you said. Your videos are 100% valid. Not quite "Reviews" but first impressions on the game and your thoughts. If someone cannot grasp that concept, they are just a lost cause...
I crafted my first dune buggy like a week ago, great moment, took a break long enough to see the population of the game jump up to 400 thanks to this vid , cool gaming moment :^)
More of a horse guy when I played. Though I still a chuckle that the horse had to be "towed" back to town if you left it somewhere instead of it being able to follow along behind you while you gathered/hunted.
@@silverjohn6037 You can get a combat mount that's a blight wolf later in the game, its a mutated wolf with 1500 hp and armor and like 20 slots of inventory, you can heal both horses and the wolf with mutations or first aid skills too since they're biologic entities.
20:15 From user [Nuke Duckem] "I'd rather have torture than c ock and balls." 20:15 From user [Nuke Duckem] "Wrong Chat." Indeed it was, Nuke Duckem. Indeed it was.
A review based on first impressions is still a review, MMO or not. I love these videos, Josh, and while I'm not looking to get into an ancient MMO myself, I bet some people are searching for a diamond in the rough, and it's probably right here :D
I thought this MMO was dead when they had shutdown the servers some years ago when some other company bought the studios, but well seems like i"ll have the chance to try it again! Thanks Josh! Your well made video reminded me that i need to try rhis out! As always keep up the great work!
@@RiggedBananaGaming I've never had the chance to play it before, i've only seen some fallout channels mentioning it. So i"ll definitely give it a chance now
@@sparkingbolt9602 I want to clarify I only played a bit over 10 hours but my takeaway was "oh shit this could be really good with a community/friends"
I played it a long time ago and revisited it a few years later and it was dead. Then io revisited again and the servers were down. Glad to see it limping along. I might make a character on classic server.
I think Josh nailed it on this one. I played the hell out of this back in the day. Loved the crafting system. I managed to make my own motorcycle but quit before I made it to the car. I wonder if I have to restart on this new steam version of the game. Either way, I might have to check it out and take a stroll down memory lane.
You do have to restart from scratch but they give you the commander tier sub from the previous monetisation to keep forever as well as some other features, all for free !
Man... this looks like it would have been a wild ride in its prime. You can definitely tell the devs put a lot of love in it. Also, looks like your coverage breathed a little more life into the game which is awesome!
...Oh my goodness. I remember you in general chat. I'm an old old old player of FE, and so I was just lurking while leveling a new character. I can't believe I ran into your channel without knowing who you were and only having that memory unlocked after watching this video at 2 in the morning. I miss my first stint with FE. You nailed so many points on why it spoke to me. FE literally changed who I was. (mostly for facilitating making friends and meeting my now life long partner, we all know the stories) I follow the CEO in charge of Little Orbit, who just put up the servers for the heck of it while he makes it his pet project to port everything to a different engine. Gods, now I wanna go just pop in and drive around. Listen to the music.💙
I remember playing this when it first came out. I’d love to see him play a very hard mmo to find these days, if it’s still live. It was set in Ancient Rome and was called Gods and Heroes: Rome Rising. I loved it.
Icarus had some great ideas when making this game, but the core combat gameplay drags a lot of it into the mud and the original management didn't do themselves any favors. I wish they had written a book or shorts using the setting because a lot of the quests, NPCs and locations were fantastic. I've played every release, and hope there will always be a server surviving somewhere to hopefully remind developers about some of the things it did right.
I am kinda surprised at how interesting and good this MMO feels. Definitely going to try this one out, and it's completely free as well. Got nothing to lose!
Been watching Josh's videos for so long, kinda amazing how the list of supporters went from font size bazillion with some entries to ant size with a bazillion entries. Kinda makes me happy to see quality and hard work being rewarded!
It's a great game. When I played it when it first released it was a breath of fresh air in the MMO space. It was so different from anything else out there and it still is. I am so glad they brought it back to life . I am waiting with anticipation on the changes the devs are bringing to the game and yes .. it will be a labour of love.
OMG, played this a bunch in my teen years. Loved the various different get-better-by-using utility-skills and their practical use (getting better at farming materials and craft increasingly better potion from them). It pretty rare in MMO´s that utility-skills or jobs can carry a character through much higher level dungeons in the game! Admittetly wouldn´t have the patience today for grinding my character to high level in nearly every branch - sometimes I miss school-times and my unlimited patience to do literally anything else than homework...
Fast Spoiler: the gurl that helped you in the past jumped into a cloning vat and she has your same problem. The fact that she "helped" you and the other clones (players) to get their cloning powers back, but regrettably resetted to Lv1, is so if any of you get to the Prime clones she will keep her new immortality too. I found this while doing every quest i found while exploring the camps & cities in the world map on my 3rd day. There are tons of lore to unveil while you explore & help people.
Started playing after watching this review. I love this game. Im 17 hours deep and I have a lot more to go. Unfrotunately the server can get unstable during the weekend because it doesnt get restarted daily like during the week but it is what it is. I knew what I was getting into
I wish someone would do a PA game more like Kamandi: Bright colors and mutant tigers with a Roman empire, not everything brown and grey and mostly humans in camo or rags.
@@minnowblue874 I played Rogue - the original (well. the original DOS version, it had mainframe versions before that) - on IBMs in our college computer lab. So I can stomach roguelikes. :)
Been binging this series hard for the last week, you've done such a great job going through the games of showing off the best/worst aspects of them. So far what would you say were some of your favorites and some of the worst ones you've played?
They start with The Battle of Hoover Dam, complete with brutal ancient displays of bodies. Are we sure this isn't the New Vegas sequel we all wanted? It certainly works better than 76... Also, no, Josh, it isn't Dungeons and Dragons. It's GURPS, like Fallout 1 was built on.
@@0DanteMayCry0 Considering how much of a disaster the game was and how much drama surrounds it (and still does) and the antics Bethesda had done to try to save their terrible system on a bad multi-player framework slapped onto a singleplayer engine, the game does not deserve the time of day because of all that and I hate that people give it a pass because it got "better" In my mind you could make it the best game ever now and people still won't play it because of what the game stands for, especially if you prefer the older Fallout games, and want something without a cash shop or something more simple like retconning and redoing very established story elements because "we don't wanna be held down by the past" in a franchise that's lauded for its lore.
I enjoyed this a lot back in the day before it died. I remember having a gray car (which took a long time to build, iirc) and getting frustrated because the zone I had reached by that point was a dense forest, and trying to drive around there was a bad time.
"Visual tourist"... I'm not sure I ever heard that term but that's 100% me in any MMO, I just want to wander around and see the zones, do some solo questing. Not particularly interested in the grind or in advancement (unless of course that means more zones to see.)
AAHHH THIS WAS MY FAVORITE GAME I love it, still play it, was destroyed when it went down, if anyone wants to play and wants some gear to get started please just hit me up, this game is so goofy and fun with friends :)
I'd personally describe it as the Mona Lisa, drawn with crayon, the lines are still greatly drawn, but needs proper paint. It has all the soul, but suffers technically.
Awww damn. Spewing I wasn't online this day! Sooo glad you did a review on this and gave it justice. Absolutely love FE and you're 100% correct about its flaws and where it excels. Hopefully you enjoyed it enough to keep playing it ❤
27:00 that's funny! I've had the same happen when making a Unity game! Some rendering systems limit the number of light sources on objects, so if you have a large object (like ground) some of the light reflections get culled when new ones are added. I dunno anything about the Icarus Engine, though.
my gf came in and excitedly asked "is that Fallen Earth?" and then told me how much she used to love playing this game. its weird when you find a gem in the trash.
Fallen Earth Classic.. Fallen Earth is actually back? FE is one of many, many MMORPGs I only showed up to play at the very end. Not much of a playerbase but it seemed to have some interesting skill and crafting systems. When I logged in with a lowbie toon during the last month, two players actually informed me of the impending closure -- something that didn't happen in numerous other MMORPGs near closure. Great experience with the community, some salvageable-to-good systems, and fair amount of jank is what I remember.. but the overall experience was acceptable enough that I'm downloading it again.
"Just imagine how many people would have died if i wasn't around to murder everybody." I almost died laughing, but thankfully you were on my second monitor murdering everybody.
I absolutely love this series. One day I'd love to see you give an old game call Xenimus a try. Played it back in the late 90's. It felt like a Runescape competitor. Keep up the phenomenal content and I can't wait for the next one.
One time I gifted this to my brother maybe 10 years ago for his birthday. It was a disc that downloaded the game. Kinda forgot about this until now lol…
Yeah yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.
The man, the myth, the legend.
The one and only !
The chosen one
Hello fellow Thanatos
lol loved being confused by this comment till it was mentioned in the video
Thank you for this video. I was the lead game designer on Fallen Earth and it’s nice to see someone get it. This video was extremely fair snd accurate. I wish we had been able to do more, but I’m proud of what we did. Thank you, brightened my day.
Are you involved in the reboot?
@@MichaelDeGar I am not. Still in the industry, just not involved.
@@MasonHavok if im allowed to ask
what is your current company/game youre qorking for/on?
@@doncato9021 I work at Tripwire Interactive but can’t say what I’m working on.
@@MasonHavok Glad to see you are still at it. Im sure you still have many great games ahead of you. :)
I think Josh's reviews are valid. It's pretty much the impression of a person starting a new game. If the game is a chore at the start you're not going to make to that hundreds of hours good content.
When I started ESO I was immediately hooked, played for 2300 hours but have since quit, damn game has gone downhill.
@@steffithemad8327 Same. I enjoyed the most questing. Best sidequest stories ever! Main quest is lacking.
I got to endgame, made tons of alt, lev crafts, made tons of sets, did dungeons, bought houses, 1k champion lev, aaaand done. Took like 2k hours. PvP was horrendous with all the lag and ani cancels to win fights.
If the game is designed with the first 100 hours a totally not immersive slog fest, and not helping to boil the story down to "the world is deteriorating, send help" with encouragement to discover it yourself, the writer's aren't doing their job, are they?
Right? Why waste a hundred hours to get to good gameplay when you can just play a different game that doesn't waste your time.
@@joshanonlineall 2k hrs of mine were in cyro yea the lag is so terrible but animation cancel is a part of skill lmao
It's also hilarious how quick the community was to try and shut down Josh before they would even know how much he likes this game.
Maybe if he didn't have such a clickbaity name for this series people would react less negatively... it's literally called "Worst MMO Ever" (the "?" only adds extra clickbait) and unless you've watched a number of episodes you won't know it's actually a balanced take.
@@tarnetskygge Is it clickbait-ey? Yes, but if those same people would watch even the first 5 minutes of the video they'd realize how balanced the review is.
@@tarnetskygge for sure, I myself was confused by the title when I first got into this series
deep down, in their souls, like completely honest, all those people know they are playing a fucking JANKY ass game. Sure it has some charm but this thing looks like crap. it looks better than a lot of MMO's he's played, but when you look at games out in 2023, and you look at this, I would be afraid of what the opinion was going to be as well. Reminds me of the cult, bunch of wierdos huddled together defending their sacred text in a rundown shack.
I wouldn't have clicked on the series without the click bait title and would have never heard about this game at all
19:48 There's something weirdly appropriate about Thanatos not believing Josh's identity in a game about cloning.
This game actually seems like a little gem in the rough. A welcome difference from most featured on this series.
Yeah I'm actually downloading this and gonna try it after watching this video :p
It honestly is a fun game. I played it when it first came out, 13 years ago, and it was pretty great, just stupidly unstable. That's why the game died, from what I understand, just too laggy and buggy. As long as this "classic" Steam version has fixed that, it should be a great time. I'll be downloading it for sure.
Absolutely! I played it many years ago and it was really fun. I'm happy to see that it's still doing quite fine. Think I'll jump in again, soon.
This game has a lot of really weird people in the community and their chat is filled with spam about the people there being racist. Not sure if it was just a troll or not but it went on for like 15-20 minutes before the dude finally stopped. So I guess be wary
@@MichaelDeGar Yeah I noticed an influx of twitch chat like spam in the game recently.
It warms my heart when while looking for the worst MMO ever you find something that's actually good or has nice potential.
I just wish Icarus would have had a AAA budget for the game, because you could tell as developers they loved what they were doing.
@@L3M0N4NDCH3RRYZZ The voice acting is really well done, feels like a well done passion project.
@@L3M0N4NDCH3RRYZZ That would of been a fun game to see what it was like, but at the same time I don't think the talk would be much different to what it is now.
Honestly, I was a bit shocked. I didn't think it was possible for Josh to give such high praise to a game in this video series.
i'm just starting to see the video and i like what i see, ohh damm i'm 1 year later hahaha
It always baffles me when i see smaller games like this having really good voice acting while other much bigger games just sound like ass(or rely on the same 3 voice actors continuously). Really tells you who cared for the overall experience.
note, that this voice acting is prevalent in the beginning area of the game. The further you go into it, the less and less you will have until you get absolutely none anymore by the time you reach Kaibab Forest (map 3). It shows how this game was designed by the original devs (Icarus Studios), the further they went in development, the more sacrifices were clearly made until they abandoned development and gave the game to GamersFirst (who only care about nickle & diming their customers instead of fixing the game), THEN much later it was passed to Little Orbit.
@@mystman7722 Thats dissapointing to hear. That voice acting was phenomenal.
@@Kronosfobi the issue is that voice acting is very very expensive so it's hard to keep adding more of it as you keep building more game.
And given how many talk about the game when it came out, VAs can't save a game with issues. People don't go 'the are problems that make the game hard to enjoy but the voices make me want to keep coming back.'
So it might've been better to not go all out on voices if it meant more resources to make the game itself better polished.
Tell that to all the Gothic fans
@@iandakariann I agree, its just damn shame to see such good VA to fizzle out so early.
This feels like a game that was made with a lot of love and good ideas, and just suffered from lack of budget to do things as they should have been.
RIO, or Raised In Oblivion had the same sad end... Then they are forced to release a unfinished game to get cash and when, if they, manage to finish they work, no one is interested anymore...
I call that New Vegas Syndrome. Great team of people, great ideas, and great execution, but not enough money or time to do it.
No
its still worth a play.
It's not a "lack of budget" problem but more like an "not aged well" problem. This game is from 2009. It was released 3 years after Playstation 3 and 4 years before Playstation 4
I was the Test Lead on that game back when it launched originally. I really appreciate your review. I appreciate that you point to the good along with the bad. Thanks for that.
Your game was my childhood. Im am grateful.
I still remember the CHOTA starter zone with lots and lots of players everywhere. I found this game through Thottbot sidebanner commercials back in 2009.
As a player that bought the original game, in the box, on release, you missed a lot in "testing" XD
Amazing job 👍
@@JohnDoe-ml8ru Hahaha I was there too, they really did
Little Orbit is such a weird/interesting company. From what I remember, they mostly produce licensed trash, but have a side-hobby of salvaging doomed games. Most notably saving Unsung Heroes, the massive Kickstarter disaster, from certain death. Certainly not producing a masterpiece, but delivering a product to backers who the original developers left with nothing. Resurrecting Fallen Earth gives me a similar vibe, a side project done done from the place of love for the medium rather than from hope for serious profit.
I feel like that's basically what FDev has been doing with Elite Dangerous; Elite is too niche of a product to get made and supported, but FDev has that sweet Roller Coaster Tycoon money and they used the Kickstarter to trick the suits
@@mitchellhorton9382 yeah, but FDev is missing the love and interest. They wanna milk the last few ARX from old man truckers.
So, like the anti-Gamigo?
This game literally just looks like a SWG mod though, who were the original devs?
Wow, someone hook them up with Defiance's license, or City of Heroes, or Tabula Rasa, or Auto-Assault, or Earth & Beyond, or any of the other janky-but-full-of-heart MMO's I loved and are now dead.
Man we had so many mmos in 2000s that would've been fantastic had they come out 10 years later with technology that could actually support their concepts.
I agree sadly new technology is way more expensive not as many companies can get a foothold in the mmorpg world like they use to be able to :(
Yeah, this game could have been amazing, if it was capable of living up to it's potential. I enjoyed it for quite a while.
I wonder if it would be possible to remake or create a new one based on those ideas.
well didn't need mmo of it, we already got this experience with Fallout
@@kyotheman69 That's a really dumb take mate.
Hardcore players really ought to realize that with every Josh review, good or bad, there will be an influx of players wanting to try out the game especially if the game is even somewhat good.
@Sir Eebral How does that happen if there's no box price, no sub, and no shop?
I think it's a standard problem with MMO. Due to the nature of the genre, these "hardcore" players invested a lot of times into the game. That, plus the whole open-world-do-whatever-you-want style, make it easy for some people to be overly invested and confuse their identity with the game itself. So, to them, any criticism of the game is also a criticism of them.
@@elsonlam I know where you got that from nice
@QueeN Sadly, you're mistaken. My college friend flunked out because he played too much game. I failed 1 class (out of 3), withdrew from another, and barely passed the last class because I skipped classes to play games. That quarter was my wakeup call. It took my friend almost 2 extra years to get back to college.
This video was perfectly timed with my dissatisfaction for current MMORPGs. Most seem to unenjoyably hurry you along to max level; giving little effort to an engaging storyline, crafting, or have a damn cash shop.
Not only did Fallen Earth scratch that classic MMO itch for me, there are hundreds of other new players that must have felt a similar way. The Steam charts appear to show the population tripled this last week.
It's good to be a newb again! Thanks, Josh!
this game has some amazing voice acting. Props to anyone who worked on this game.
You clearly knew what you wanted heard from the VA's and made them work for it.
Seriously, good shit.
The "you have to play dozens of dozens of hours to review this game" argument never ceases to amaze because the moment you play dozens of dozens of hours and say negative things, the same people gatekeeping your review are the ones saying "well, if you dislike it then why did you play dozens of dozens of hours?"
I get why people say that, he skipped allmost of the crafting wich is probably the best part of the game, he did not evrn make a simple piece of gear, scavenging and crafting your makeshift equipment is my favourite part, but yeah i get it he will just talk about what he experienced, but its just a partial review
its a trap!
@@MrRafagigapr if you go out to eat and the meal is great can you say it was a great meal without first inspecting the kitchen and meeting the chef?
The latter is especially annoying when it comes to live service games (of which MMOs were basically the first), where the dozens of hours you played were likely for a version you _did_ enjoy that the devs subsequently changed in ways that you _didn't_ enjoy as much. This gets even worse when they try to say, "Well it's not like they took that enjoyment away from you," except that in changing it they _sort of have_ as it's slightly (or sometimes dramatically) not the game you used to enjoy.
That's something I've grown to really dislike in games that I play alone but are run with the live service model (and aren't necessarily always online), and the forced updates across many platforms.
@@andrewbrock3675 no , but you cant say a restaurant has a great menu if you only tasted 1 dish
Love when a game manages to be "low budget, but high effort". It's easy to excuse big defects with "Well we don't have a huge team of programmers and heaps of cutting edge resources to make the game actually good", but the dav team of this game squeezed all the talent they had for everything it was worth, and it shows.
The issue with your flashlight turning off other lights can usually be attributed to the game engine's light count limit. This is fairly common to find in older games as computers weren't as powerfull back then. Say if the light limit was 8 and all those are in use by street lamps, one will have to turn off in order for you to turn on your flashlight. This is usually not an issue in more modern games as they have much better rendering techniques, like deffered rendering, wich allows for hundreds, if not thousands of lights. in addition, computers are in general more powerfull and can handle more :) Of course, there are ways to make it less visible but who knows why they didn't do more here :)
yep
Yes today you can find the same problems on mobile game development
@@a45860 True that
Also, turning off the light closest to and right in front of you is a really poor choice. Good tech artistry is to get away with the trickery without the player noticing. But you know... Good work takes time takes money. And there never is enough of that. (And if there is enough we usually get unimaginative AAA trash.)
yes but good coding would turn off the one you are not looking at :)
Always love it when a “worst MMO” turns out to be a gem :-)
Mee too, makes me feel all fuzzy
I remember watching this when released, Im 4-500 hours Into the game now, never thought I would find something I would love through this series, but here we are :D
Is the game still alive? It scratched my mmo itch, also I specifically was looking for a shooter one, and this looks so damn good
@@lov_eli it has a very small but very good community leftover
i love how thegame had around 50-70 stable players and after this video came out that went to 200 - 300 atleast for now. I think its a great game, did pay it when it was still ot under gameforge
You are confusing gameforge with gamersfirst. Gamersfirst bought FE and little orbit bought gamersfirst. Before G1 it was Icarus studios.
So cool to see this game highlighted in your series! I worked on it for a number of years after it was launched on the first major expansion and the eventual exchange of hands of control of the game. So much jenk as you point out, but indeed it always fostered a dear place in all our hearts as dev team. There's so many cool ideas that we wanted to explore but never got the time or opportunity to. We really did love our fervent player base though. They really were the best and gave us so much motivation to continue up until the end.
holy shit what, were you with icarus or after? FE always has a special place to my heart as well, played beta 2009 already :) great reading your comment!
Also curious if you were with Icarus....alpha tester here.
Icarus and a bit of Gamers First.
Thanks to you and your former colleagues! This and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. shaped my expectations when it comes to post-apocalyptic atmosphere.
Just want to add my respects. Thanks for responding, and thanks for the time and effort and passion you put into these games.
Developers who had that much love for their games and design seem to be fading from the larger scale "corporate" mindset these days. My son recent started getting into rebuilding old consoles and collecting older games, and He was amazed at just how much better quality the design of these game from that era really are. FEC is a gem, and I for one will be playing it now due to this review.
So for any serious fans who were concerned about the review, it's a seller. There's only a few games on this series that I honestly think Josh gave this much praise to, and that's saying something.
"your experience is irrelevant if someone else has more of it"
What a wonderful line. It's both sarcasm and not sarcasm at the same time.
This seems like a great game that almost came out too early for it's own good.
I gave this a go after the video and I'm still playing it. lvl21, making my dune buggy and getting ready to leave Sector 1. The game has that 2000's smell, but the design is incredibly deep.
What's most surprising is that quest text is actually worth reading. Yes, the writing for this game is genius at points. Quests are also in theme with the zone/settlement they're in. Yes, some quests still boil down to kill this x times, collect y of that, but mostly it's talking to more NPCs and then getting tasked with killing or collecting(which also usually is just 1 or 5+ items), which is incredibly refreshing from just getting slapped in the face with "kill 15 bandits".
Crafting is so non intrusive it's actually beneficial to do while leveling. the game is designed to be crafting oriented and the design is spot on.
The game IS good. It's janky, but good. If you care more about design than the flashy bits, it's worth a try.
I just love the idea that they potentially wanted to stop you from writing a generally positive review until you had a chance to experience the end game and then you might hate the end game and completely flip your review on its head. Lmao. Lol, even.
Also, as a side note, I really appreciate how you don't stick to an over-simplified "numerical score out of 10" reviewing system. It really helps to show and tell what's good and what's bad and not try to dumb it all down to a single number. Keep up the good work!
"We can't have the cult indiscriminately killing people they disagree with!"
"So I go and indiscriminately kill the cult because I disagree with them."
Sitting alone at my desk - I cracked up. That was too funny.
So much the same. Sitting at my desk by myself, the sound that came out of me scared myself for a second.
LOL yeah same here... love his humor
Hey! they disagreed with me first. I'm just paying the favor back in kind.🤣🤣😜😜
Pop ph true
@@ibarzabal 9and of
Josh: "This game is good."
Fallen Earth players: "Your opinion doesn't matter."
Okay then?
most of us are actually really grateful for such a review by him i guess, ngl. the more attention this game gets, the better imo.
just wish he played a couple more hours and explained how good crafting
@@Ralexand1988 i use to play the game a few years ago, and i personally did also enjoy it, but then i had to move and never really got back into it.
@@MrRafagigapr Whilst you surely enjoyed crafting if he himself did not enjoy it or just did not go into it in the review it does not make his opinion on all the other parts good, or bad worse. Crafting on its own no matter how glorious is simply one mechanic and doesn't make up for flaws in other mechanics. I get why you are saying it since it is your favorite part of the game but relatively speaking most people are not that much into crafting regardless of how good or bad said mechanic is.
@@MrRafagigapr So the crafting's okay? Well, add that to the voice acting, and that it's a shooty fps/mmo... and then remove the massive amounts of janky broken crap, and are we still left with a +?
Played Fallen earth when it went Free to play years before it was shut down, it was a pretty fun fallout style mmo for the time. Love that the devs put up a classic version, fans wanted to play it when they announced a new Fallen earth mmo in development
Yeah, Little Orbit really did a lot of people a favor with this.
They came in and saved all the games GamersFirst was fucking up.
I didn't even know this shit came out after it shut down
@@joshholmes1372 That's the thing most people don't know, that's why I'm glad josh made this video to shine some light on this old mmo
I thought it was still dead tbh but now if I'm bored and broke I'll probably check it out
@@KUPSMusic his video made the server pop explode lol
Missing out on one of the best parts of this game, the faction wheel system. Managing to have 6 separate factions that all tie in with each other and provide balance was a work of genius.
It seems like it, but Enforcer was the most popular before and it remains so now.
All the zones seem to be captured by them.
Love this game and it still has my favorite crafting system of any MMO. One thing is the economy is set up where crafters need mats from all levels, so even low level players can scavenge copper or rubber to make decent chips. This carries on throughout the game when people need to make things like gasoline for vehicles or even weapons and armor.
Sounds pretty awesome
@@MD-yd8lh The game has the best crafting system of any MMO i've seen. If there's a better one, i'm not aware of it.
There's something incredibly endearing about this game. I'll take 'janky but made with love' over 'polished and soulless' any day.
I bought and played this when it came out. It looked like such a cool idea. But, none of my friends would buy it. It was so confusing and clunky and I had no idea what I was doing and wasted hours just dying and confused.
Sounds like a fun time
same lol, Still have it in Steam as just Fallen Earth, it was full of hackers when i played, as well as the game breaking debuff i found in second area..
Same
This is what it was like playing any complex RPG at that time period. That's why I'm such a wiki warrior now as an adult haha.
Look at The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind for example. That thing is my benchmark, and fallen earth classic is about half of that in complexity.
I went back to this game as an adult and its all easy to understand with a bit of research. I've been really enjoying it with a group of friends.
what do you mean bought? this has always been ftp
I don't even play MMOs anymore, but I still watch this series. There's something about Josh's snarky British commentaries that just gets me watching non-stop
Nice reply ❤️
I've only played one mmorpg my entire life (GW2, exclusively because i am a furry and i liked the design of the charr) but i also watch these bc i love the commentary. the snark is fantastic
Definitely agree. I have a hard time enjoying/ finding the right MMO, but I stumbled across the channel, and it's because of his wit and well written thesis that I keep coming back to his channel!
Thanks to Josh, he has made me pick up an MMO! A genre I haven't touched. It is finally nice to find a gaming UA-camr that doesn't use hyperbole and is able to analyse games beyond a surface level from a player's perspective.
I can't say I'll try the game, but it's nice to see such a favorable take on it. One thing I like about the "Worst" series is how many actual gems you seem to find. I hope the team behind it keeps working, and maybe does that monetization thing so they can hire more staff and give it the polish it needs. It sounds like the fans deserve it.
I’ve played MMOs since RuneScape 2 first came out around 2001. I will still never understand the argument “yeah but wait it gets good - hours in”
If I’ve been playing for 10hrs and the game still feels bad, I’m done. The game is not my thing and it’s not worth it to waste any more or my time.
And if a game takes 100 hrs to get good, was it ever good in the first place?
your description of the game being post apocalyptic but with hope makes me think the devs took my fave sir terry pratchett quote to heart:
“Why does the third of the three brothers, who shares his food with the old woman in the wood, go on to become king of the country? Why does James Bond manage to disarm the nuclear bomb a few seconds before it goes off rather than, as it were, a few seconds afterwards? Because a universe where that did not happen would be a dark and hostile place. Let there be goblin hordes, let there be terrible environmental threats, let there be giant mutated slugs if you really must, but let there also be hope. It may be a grim, thin hope, an Arthurian sword at sunset, but let us know that we do not live in vain.”
Pratchett's quotes are some of the best bits of wisdom I know
damn, that's a powerful line.
A fellow Pratchettian in the wild! What I delightful find! 😊
Well..... We do live in vain, if you arent famous you will be forgotten in 1 or 2 generation. Some of us are forgotten as soon as we die, because well because they were alone and had no friends nor family. I do not believe we have hope as humans any more, we never learn from anything. As long as there have been humans there have been suffering and wars. We know war and violence is bad, we know suffering and starvation is bad yet it happens, over and over and over again. Why? We are a selfish race, as long as me, myself have it good fuck everyone else. Well enough rambling. Good video Josh! :D
@@gandy84 but hope. it’s what keeps humanity going. that and the kindness of others. we all make an impact on peoples lives. we just dont always, if ever, know it. you may not always be remembered. but your actions and choices and how you treat others will be felt long after your gone.
Thank you Josh for providing a funny, realistic and fair review to my favorite MMO of all time. FE is a gem we must not let die, thankfully Little Orbit is giving it a chance. I could say so much of this game, how much fun hours I spent on it, how many friends and business partners (ingame economy) I made (there even was a clan of crafters with a fully functioning and stylized website dedicated to build vehicles on demand with a waiting list and all, all of it payed with ingame currency and fully compliant with ToS). But I'll just say this game has a special place in my heart and always will, it was part of some really good times in my life so it's deeply related to those good memories ingame and outside of. Thank you Josh, thank you a thousand times.
26:52 Because older engines like this have a physical limitation on how many lights can be in a scene at a given time. Usually around 3. Some games work around this limitation more clever than others, and this one clearly uses the simplest approach.
Just providing a little (too much) extra info for anyone happening across this comment.
In really super old games (DirectX 7 and earlier) there was a hard limit due to the fact that everything went through the fixed function pipeline (shaders didn't exist until DirectX 8) and there were a limited number of lights available in the hardware.
In anything more modern (DirectX 8 and later) it's limited by the number of lights you can shove into your shader parameters (partly a function of the DirectX version, partly a function of the video card, and entirely a function of how complex your shader code is.) Looks like this game came out in 2009 originally (if Wikipedia can be believed), so it probably uses DirectX 9 or 10 (more likely 9; 10 took awhile for people to adopt).
There are ways of fudging limitations, of course. One way would be to do multiple render passes on the scene, rendering objects in groups depending on which lights they need (a little slower, depending on the number of lights used and therefore the number of render passes required). Another thing that can be done is to ignore lights that are offscreen (or rather, only affect objects which are offscreen); this should just be done by any game engine, really.
Modern game engines tend to use a combination of these tactics (and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of right now) to render arbitrary numbers of lights. We still have these limitations today, we just have techniques to get around them and hardware which supports much more complexity.
I remember this was one of the first MMOs I ever played, and it was honestly amazing. It got me more interested in sci-fi MMOs and I ended up playing face of mankind, which still is so much different than any game I've played so far. It was everything I wanted, a living and breathing cyberpunk world with player-led factions and events. Then it died. In a way most MMOs have those social aspects that made the game's world feel alive, instead of harnessing a community the focus of developers seems to be on solo casual play. I understand why, most MMO gamers are older now and don't have the time to spend making events or meeting new people. It's such a shame what MMOs have become
You always know it's gonna be good when Josh says "Behold: Combat!" - It has -never- failed to get a chuckle out of me... I must be getting old.
I remember a response video to a Planetside 2 review where the guy basically claimed that you can't review a game if you don't have hundreds if not thousands of hours in it, making the point by showing off some ultra rare celebratory get together of some random dudes in the game saying "Can't review the game if you've never experienced this."
I often think back to it thinking how dumb of a claim it is. That newb won't give a sliver of a shit about this. They're going to care about if this is worth getting into and why, and they can base that opinion off somebody's retelling of their 10 hour experience too.
Ps2 is fun
@@chandude3 the console? i agree :P
@@chandude3 It WAS fun on PC when it was launched, barring performance issues. Now it's just MTX fest
@@thecompanioncube4211 idk what an mtx fest is, but its still the same old planetside. Plenty of fun
@uNnHkP8mza ive been playing since planetside 1, ps2 is arguably better with the new content
Between the MMO analysis, Star Trek nostalgia, and Elder Scrolls Talk this video really hit home to me that middle aged nerds that grew up with video games are real, tangible generation now that I am proud to be a member of. Thank you so much for all the work you do, this was an awesome experience.
This game has a lot of really weird people in the community and their chat is filled with spam about the people there being racist. Not sure if it was just a troll or not but it went on for like 15-20 minutes before the dude finally stopped. So I guess be wary
What is Star trek nostalgia?
I think this is the first time i've ever been interested in a game featured on the series. This game has such a great aesthetic and, despite janky combat, seems like so much fun. Thanks for showcasing this, I genuinely want to try it out.
Do it.
It's one of my favorite MMOs ever. Flawed gem as Josh said. Don't play it for the combat. It gets better, good enough to not detract from what makes the game awesome, but never great.
The atmosphere, crafting, and exploration are top notch though. There is always a goal I actually want to work toward.
my issue game is way to rough, i rather just go back play fallout instead
Same I'll try on my free time
@@kyotheman69 I would, but I love seeing things for the first time. I've played through every fallout game a ridiculous amount of times, and have worn out my welcome with the games I've always loved. I try to play them, and I start staring past the screen or just getting uncomfortable trying to focus on something that just cant hold my interest after so many years and playthrough. So finding something like this is always fun to do for a few days, maybe a few weeks, who knows.
Just a warning: Josh's comments about crafting only apply to the early game. Later game stuff can take days or even weeks to craft. Back in the day we would often joke that if they added vehicles more complex than cars we'd be able to craft them one part a month and maybe finish the whole thing before the heat death of the universe.
So far am playing it, reached level 9 and am currently doing quests in embry, its honestly very engrossing experience. Mainly focusing on perception and intelligence for crafting and gathering, then charisma and social to get better rates when selling to npcs or based on their own buy rates. Then rounding it with some dabbling in mutagens and pistoling.
Oh boy just wait till you make the trip to sector 2 and 3. It just gets better
Played from alpha to release and a couple years after. In its golden age with thousands of players around, it was such an amazing experience. One if the best mmo times.
Yep I remember the day 1 launch. I also remember when they added in the casino bunkers and other content.
This game had SOUL. So glad to see it exists again! Thank you for trying it out Josh, I had no clue it was a thing again
Holy damn, checking steamcharts right now, from not breaking 200 player peak for months, to 433 peak today
Damn this makes me even want to try it, and see all the new players
I remember following this game's development for years waiting for updates between long periods of silence. The beta and launch were an unmitigated disaster that caused me to walk away always meaning to return but never did.
I remember at one point riding the atv and triggering the explosion in the tutorial just hard crashed the game
God, you can tell there's so much love and care put into the game. Even if it's not great, I can't help but deeply admire it.
I tried this game out after watching this review. Put 60 hours into it. That's more than allot of triple A games get from me.
Never played it but looks interesting. I'm the type of person that enjoys the leveling process and usually stop playing before or at endgame so I've never liked the idea of endgame is THE game.
That is exactly my way of playing MMOs. I like the progress and stories of many leveling parts, but have yet to find any that can keep me interested in the endgame.
Same for me and that is why it always annoys me whe games "streamline" the early game to the point you get through content in 2 days that used to take weeks.
Same, the best part of a MMO is the journey, experiencing things for the first time.
Endgame is just replaying the same few pieces of content over and over, its very boring.
The thing about end game content is that when the game go forward again in a few months it becomes ex-endgame content which has all the grind of current end game content but rewards are worse then something you picked out a rats teeth in the newer area and area and its almost impossible to find someone to do it with. Since new endgame content comes with each major update in an old game you'll find dozens of wastelands of former endgame content each off which stole resources from the mid game content it came with.
You may very well like this one then. The endgame is actually quite lacking because there's a lot of effort put towards making the experience getting there more fun and rewarding.
Ah, Fallen Earth. One of those OG gems from the early-era MMOs. Back when the focus on fun and story "quirks" were so primo that it made the bugs and flaws mostly bearable.
I'm really glad to hear that there's still a team that wants to still keep a server up and running just so people can still play it. Escaping the same, absolute garbage fate that City of Heroes experienced is no small victory, not to mention being a bit of a thankless/stressful job (especially concerning IP drama if some big name has a bad day).
Mad props to those devs, doing the work that most shudder to even think about!
Man, I miss CoH
Early days of mmos? This came out in 2009, more than a decade after the early mmos lol
@@Nollis There a private servers around, but idk if they capture the same feeling to be honest. Probably the lack of players
@@ViktorTheMusician Yeah, I tried one a few years back but then it didn't have the same magic as the original
@@Nollis i still log on to Homecoming every few weeks to make new characters for fun but I remember progression feeling better, like it meant a lot to gain a new power and now it just feels super lacking.
This game was always an "It could be SOOOO good!" game. When it was still alive the first time through, the major issue wasn't the epic grind to get the very hyped pieces of equipment (atv, etc.) but it was the fact that each leveling area was broken into sectors and once you were done with one, you were done. Even with thousands of people online, it was a vast, empty game because nobody would ever return to those original sectors. If you found yourself not playing for a week, everyone you were originally seeing and playing with would have moved on to a new sector and you'd be on your own, and vice versa.
That said, I now want to give this game another try because I really did love the slowness and atmosphere of it all!
21:50 I've also always seen these guides as very much the new player experience, which is the most important part of the game imo. If you don't ever get players past the first chunk of hours, you don't have a game.
I've said that about books before too. It doesn't matter how good the twist ending or climax is if no one reads it because the first half of the book is miserable
"Yeah some cracked out mailman is fist fighting roman soldiers barehanded"
OMG I have missed this game so much. So many great memories can't wait to download it again. This was always one of my fav MMO's. Thank you Josh for this really honest review.
Cute cat! :3
What i find funny is that this game would have been considered AWFUL in 2009. But in 2022, we've had a total regression of MMOs to the point where this actually has a lot of good aspects. FEELS AWFUL MAN.
Conceptually this wasn’t a bad game in 2009, I remember being excited for it.
It was fucking amazing in 2009 but paying per month more than in WOW made the game have low player numbers
@@MrRafagigapr Yep, I paid my sub for quite a while. But I couldn't justify it for the long term. Going back when it went ftp and seeing what they did for a cash shop broke my heart. Glad to see it revived in a proper form.
I played this when it first came out. The server lag and the greedy cash job just crippled the game for me. Also, the combat was really unbalanced; melee was terrible and guns were amazing. I hope the new dev team addressed these issues.
Retro mmo seems like a popular thing now.
I remember playing this way back before it went FTP. I remember spending hours leveling up and scraping together a motorcycle and finding a group who was riding together up to one of the big cities. Ended up in a huge convoy of players traveling together as it was safer and easier for newbies to find the city.
That was one of the best MMO experiences I've had but the rest of the game was clunky as hell. Still fun though.
That sounds awesome, I played back in the beta, never had an experience like that maybe I will now though!
@@MichaelDeGar It still stands out as one of my fondest MMO memories and this was 13 years or so ago and I've been playing MMO's on and off for 20 years.
I remember going into a city and seeing player made muscle cars and going into a bar with gambling in the basement… this was a great mmo. With the new Fallout tv show in the headlines they need to find a way to promote this game again.
This video makes me want to try out Fallen Earth Classic. I've seen enough from the gameplay and heard enough from the commentary in the video to say that, despite its janky flaws, the game seems genuinely good, and that it has a charm that I would enjoy.
Hey Josh really enjoyed going through your channels backlog over the past couple weeks great to see how you've grown as a creator. Love the vids keep em coming
Bless gamers. It's always about gatekeeping opinions instead of accepting that sometimes your game could improve somewhat.
I don't always agree with some of your opinions, but I still enjoy listening to your input. You go very far out of your way to fully explore what you can in your usual what 8-10 hours? That's more than I feel many reviews go into. Keep up the great work!
On the other hand, people will play this game for 0.3 seconds then call it the worst piece of shit known to mankind.
I don't really blame the community, though I agree they can be a little stubborn. I think it boils down to them having fought past the jankiness to the point that they don't notice it anymore.
It truly is unfortunate that Josh's positive opinion about the game is entirely discredited because he did not play 100 hours of it already! :D
Of course, not a single person has ever made that argument. You are only ever told "you can't review the game before playing it entirely" if you are saying even the smallest negative thing.
Oh my god.
I remember playing this game years ago with friends.
Getting our first cars was such a great moment.
Also, as you said. Your videos are 100% valid.
Not quite "Reviews" but first impressions on the game and your thoughts.
If someone cannot grasp that concept, they are just a lost cause...
I crafted my first dune buggy like a week ago, great moment, took a break long enough to see the population of the game jump up to 400 thanks to this vid , cool gaming moment :^)
More of a horse guy when I played. Though I still a chuckle that the horse had to be "towed" back to town if you left it somewhere instead of it being able to follow along behind you while you gathered/hunted.
@@silverjohn6037 You can get a combat mount that's a blight wolf later in the game, its a mutated wolf with 1500 hp and armor and like 20 slots of inventory, you can heal both horses and the wolf with mutations or first aid skills too since they're biologic entities.
It's nice seeing Josh having fun with a game! Sad that this game didn't get to be where it should have been but it's obviously a labour of love
20:15 From user [Nuke Duckem] "I'd rather have torture than c ock and balls."
20:15 From user [Nuke Duckem] "Wrong Chat."
Indeed it was, Nuke Duckem. Indeed it was.
A review based on first impressions is still a review, MMO or not. I love these videos, Josh, and while I'm not looking to get into an ancient MMO myself, I bet some people are searching for a diamond in the rough, and it's probably right here :D
I thought this MMO was dead when they had shutdown the servers some years ago when some other company bought the studios, but well seems like i"ll have the chance to try it again!
Thanks Josh! Your well made video reminded me that i need to try rhis out! As always keep up the great work!
I played this a while ago after it was "dead" but I think I'll have to play it again
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I've never had the chance to play it before, i've only seen some fallout channels mentioning it. So i"ll definitely give it a chance now
@@sparkingbolt9602 I want to clarify I only played a bit over 10 hours but my takeaway was "oh shit this could be really good with a community/friends"
I played it a long time ago and revisited it a few years later and it was dead. Then io revisited again and the servers were down. Glad to see it limping along. I might make a character on classic server.
I think Josh nailed it on this one. I played the hell out of this back in the day. Loved the crafting system. I managed to make my own motorcycle but quit before I made it to the car. I wonder if I have to restart on this new steam version of the game. Either way, I might have to check it out and take a stroll down memory lane.
You do have to restart from scratch but they give you the commander tier sub from the previous monetisation to keep forever as well as some other features, all for free !
Man... this looks like it would have been a wild ride in its prime. You can definitely tell the devs put a lot of love in it. Also, looks like your coverage breathed a little more life into the game which is awesome!
...Oh my goodness. I remember you in general chat. I'm an old old old player of FE, and so I was just lurking while leveling a new character. I can't believe I ran into your channel without knowing who you were and only having that memory unlocked after watching this video at 2 in the morning.
I miss my first stint with FE. You nailed so many points on why it spoke to me. FE literally changed who I was. (mostly for facilitating making friends and meeting my now life long partner, we all know the stories)
I follow the CEO in charge of Little Orbit, who just put up the servers for the heck of it while he makes it his pet project to port everything to a different engine.
Gods, now I wanna go just pop in and drive around. Listen to the music.💙
I remember playing this when it first came out. I’d love to see him play a very hard mmo to find these days, if it’s still live. It was set in Ancient Rome and was called Gods and Heroes: Rome
Rising. I loved it.
Icarus had some great ideas when making this game, but the core combat gameplay drags a lot of it into the mud and the original management didn't do themselves any favors.
I wish they had written a book or shorts using the setting because a lot of the quests, NPCs and locations were fantastic.
I've played every release, and hope there will always be a server surviving somewhere to hopefully remind developers about some of the things it did right.
I am kinda surprised at how interesting and good this MMO feels.
Definitely going to try this one out, and it's completely free as well. Got nothing to lose!
I played and it's good. The community also is receiving well the newcomers
I really love it when you find one and the conclusion is "hell yeah, this one's great. can't wait to see where it goes from here."
Thankyou for getting me into this game. Cool note it seems they have fixed most of the things you highlighted in this video
Been watching Josh's videos for so long, kinda amazing how the list of supporters went from font size bazillion with some entries to ant size with a bazillion entries. Kinda makes me happy to see quality and hard work being rewarded!
It's a great game. When I played it when it first released it was a breath of fresh air in the MMO space. It was so different from anything else out there and it still is. I am so glad they brought it back to life . I am waiting with anticipation on the changes the devs are bringing to the game and yes .. it will be a labour of love.
OMG, played this a bunch in my teen years. Loved the various different get-better-by-using utility-skills and their practical use (getting better at farming materials and craft increasingly better potion from them). It pretty rare in MMO´s that utility-skills or jobs can carry a character through much higher level dungeons in the game! Admittetly wouldn´t have the patience today for grinding my character to high level in nearly every branch - sometimes I miss school-times and my unlimited patience to do literally anything else than homework...
Fast Spoiler: the gurl that helped you in the past jumped into a cloning vat and she has your same problem.
The fact that she "helped" you and the other clones (players) to get their cloning powers back, but regrettably resetted to Lv1, is so if any of you get to the Prime clones she will keep her new immortality too.
I found this while doing every quest i found while exploring the camps & cities in the world map on my 3rd day. There are tons of lore to unveil while you explore & help people.
I mean, you'd still get your immortality back that the other guy ruined. Seems only fair she gets the same immortality for helping out.
Started playing after watching this review. I love this game. Im 17 hours deep and I have a lot more to go. Unfrotunately the server can get unstable during the weekend because it doesnt get restarted daily like during the week but it is what it is. I knew what I was getting into
I wish someone would do a PA game more like Kamandi: Bright colors and mutant tigers with a Roman empire, not everything brown and grey and mostly humans in camo or rags.
if you can stomach traditional roguelikes Caves of Qud is right up your alley, though it's closer to Thundarr than Kamandi
@@minnowblue874 I played Rogue - the original (well. the original DOS version, it had mainframe versions before that) - on IBMs in our college computer lab. So I can stomach roguelikes. :)
Been binging this series hard for the last week, you've done such a great job going through the games of showing off the best/worst aspects of them. So far what would you say were some of your favorites and some of the worst ones you've played?
They start with The Battle of Hoover Dam, complete with brutal ancient displays of bodies. Are we sure this isn't the New Vegas sequel we all wanted? It certainly works better than 76... Also, no, Josh, it isn't Dungeons and Dragons. It's GURPS, like Fallout 1 was built on.
Have you even tried play f76 later? I'll answer. No
I always feel that GURPS never really get's the recognition it deserves
True.
@@0DanteMayCry0 Considering how much of a disaster the game was and how much drama surrounds it (and still does) and the antics Bethesda had done to try to save their terrible system on a bad multi-player framework slapped onto a singleplayer engine, the game does not deserve the time of day because of all that and I hate that people give it a pass because it got "better"
In my mind you could make it the best game ever now and people still won't play it because of what the game stands for, especially if you prefer the older Fallout games, and want something without a cash shop or something more simple like retconning and redoing very established story elements because "we don't wanna be held down by the past" in a franchise that's lauded for its lore.
I enjoyed this a lot back in the day before it died. I remember having a gray car (which took a long time to build, iirc) and getting frustrated because the zone I had reached by that point was a dense forest, and trying to drive around there was a bad time.
"Visual tourist"... I'm not sure I ever heard that term but that's 100% me in any MMO, I just want to wander around and see the zones, do some solo questing. Not particularly interested in the grind or in advancement (unless of course that means more zones to see.)
AAHHH THIS WAS MY FAVORITE GAME
I love it, still play it, was destroyed when it went down, if anyone wants to play and wants some gear to get started please just hit me up, this game is so goofy and fun with friends :)
I'd personally describe it as the Mona Lisa, drawn with crayon, the lines are still greatly drawn, but needs proper paint.
It has all the soul, but suffers technically.
Awww damn. Spewing I wasn't online this day! Sooo glad you did a review on this and gave it justice. Absolutely love FE and you're 100% correct about its flaws and where it excels. Hopefully you enjoyed it enough to keep playing it ❤
27:00 that's funny! I've had the same happen when making a Unity game!
Some rendering systems limit the number of light sources on objects, so if you have a large object (like ground) some of the light reflections get culled when new ones are added.
I dunno anything about the Icarus Engine, though.
my gf came in and excitedly asked "is that Fallen Earth?" and then told me how much she used to love playing this game. its weird when you find a gem in the trash.
“This is a good game I’m really enjoying-“
“YOUR OPINION IS INVALID BECAUSE YOU HAVENT SPENT ENOUGH TIME WITH IT”
For a lot of MMO that's not unfair. A bunch of them get really shitty at the endgame lmao.
I remember playing this when i was a kid, the intro/tutorial section was soooo good for little me, it blew my mind at the time
Fallen Earth Classic.. Fallen Earth is actually back? FE is one of many, many MMORPGs I only showed up to play at the very end. Not much of a playerbase but it seemed to have some interesting skill and crafting systems. When I logged in with a lowbie toon during the last month, two players actually informed me of the impending closure -- something that didn't happen in numerous other MMORPGs near closure.
Great experience with the community, some salvageable-to-good systems, and fair amount of jank is what I remember.. but the overall experience was acceptable enough that I'm downloading it again.
Ye, Little Orbit reopened the old FE servers for people to play while they rework the game
this week was incredible, the chat was so busy and just .. so many new player where i hope even a fraction stays. thank you so much man.
This is the only one of these reviews that actually made me want to play the game reviewed.
This actually looks like a mmo I would like to play. I wish I found this back in my mmo phase.
Josh Strife Hayes, the killer of MMOs. Will he now become the saviour of MMOs too?
"Just imagine how many people would have died if i wasn't around to murder everybody." I almost died laughing, but thankfully you were on my second monitor murdering everybody.
I absolutely love this series. One day I'd love to see you give an old game call Xenimus a try. Played it back in the late 90's. It felt like a Runescape competitor. Keep up the phenomenal content and I can't wait for the next one.
One time I gifted this to my brother maybe 10 years ago for his birthday. It was a disc that downloaded the game. Kinda forgot about this until now lol…