Was surprised to see the GWR Saint class here, had to check the date the video was made! Glad you mentioned the rebuild though, which is now completed. Lady of Legend is in one of the videos on my channel, along with 1501, which was showing as the thumbnail of this video when I clicked it.
I was kinda hoping that the Furness Railway 21/K2 “Larger Seagull” Mixed Traffic Engine would be on this list, besides it being Edward’s inspiration, it is one of the best looking Mixed Traffic Engines I have ever seen and considering when they were built it might have inspired a hell of a lot of other classes, including City Of Truro, I mean, it’s basically a K2 with one of those blocks in front of the cab
14:00 in Jim asks "Anyone Bored Yet?"... Not me, really enjoyed that Jim. You are clearly a well researched Railway Enthusiast . Considering you're north American, impressed with your handling and presentation of UK Locomotive design. Keep up the good work.
The Southern Pacific GS-8’s were Cotton Belt L-1 class 4-8-4’s that were leased by the SP at the end of steam on the SP just renumbered and reclassified to match the SP numbering and classification system. And one does still exist in the form of Cotton Belt L-1 #819 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
Interesting video. I was hoping to see the Virginian class AE 2-10-10-2 featured. Initially used to ram coal trains between Elmore and Algonquin over Clark's Gap. Some lasted until the early 1950's
One valve gear that interests me is always been Walscharts.. But baker and Stephenson are interesting. The most iconic I know is the B2 Rotary valve gear used on the later Penn Railroad T1’s that helped against Slip
(27-Nov-19) *23:07* "Thane of Phayaa" That was flawless, given that it was a thane. I was laughing so much. Edit: *39:28* Did anyone here notice the road number on the Big Boy?!
35:49 the Great Eastern A55, a 3 cylinder, 0-10-0WT built in 1902 was known as "Decapod" it was always a one off. Rebuilt in 1906 as a 2 cylinder 0-8-0 tender loco but was scrapped in 1913 as a nonstandard locomotive. 36:25 The LMS Garratts where handicapped/hobbled by not having the tried and tested Bayer Peacock, roller bearing, axleboxes, on the insistence of someone from the Derby design office they were fitted with standard Midland axleboxes, which were barely adequate on the LMS 4F's amongst other problems.
I would like to mention the Southern Railroad's Ms-4 class 2-8-2s. As copies of the USRA heavy 2-8-2s, they were built by ALCo and Baldwin from 1923 - 1928. They were the Southern's standard freight locomotives and were used on heavy freight trains and also used on passenger runs. In 1952, the first of the Ms-4s started to fall from the Southern's active roster and by June 1953, only the Ms-4s on the Southern's Alabama Great Southern Subsidiary were left. Sadly these would also retire in 1954. Sadly none of them, not even all of the original and copy USRA heavy 2-8-2s were spared from the scrappers torch.
Also it would have been nice to have had fetter challenger No.3800 around since we already have two surviving challenger locomotives with those being 3977 and 3985
Popular for the wrong reasons. They failed badly at their intended Job, and although they found some lease of live in the form of dockyard shunting, they were still outclassed by the USATC S100 class shunters.
Really enjoyed the videos, Jim. Great sense of humour (really!). My suggestion for honourable mention would be the beautiful 'Brighton Baltic' tanks - the most handsome locomotives ever to grace a British railway.
3:38 is that locomotive still around today that took big bertha 's headlight or was it scrapped like big bertha also I think the UK should build a new one of her the us should build a new fetter challenger and y6b too
CONTIUATION- FS,[Italy],Plancher Compound locomotives,used on that system,as well as other Italian based lines! There were drawings of those engines in the Midland Railway design offices,in Derby! Surprise,surprise,that one overlooked factor,and the other questions are why didn't the Midland multiply more of these engines,as that would have greatly speeded up the Lickey Bank! As an aside,the Santa Fe,pioneered the 2-10-2,so why didn't the Midland take that hint! More questions no real answers! Thank you for the insight and opinions,they do stir the brain cells! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT 👍 👌!
There was never an LNER P2 named Thane of Fire It was Thane of FIFE Fife is a council area and historic county of Scotland. It is situated between the Firth of Tay and the Firth of Forth,and a Thane (in Scotland) was a man, often the chief of a clan, who held land from a Scottish king and ranked with an earl's son.Apart from that I enjoyed it Jim
At the 41:10 mark, I think you may have hit the nail on the head because a fellow UA-camr got an O-Scale Challenger mixed up with the Big Boy while he was at the Great Train Expo about 9 years ago.
My home town has an L&N depot. It has 2 tracks, a siding for tank cars, and an old coal tipple. We only have freight trains to go through now. Never seen a passenger train run through in my life.
I'm not sure why a Southern Pacific AC-11 made the list, when you know (and showed) an AC-12 is preserved (at CSRM), and it was shopped before going on display in front of the old Sacramento depot before being put aside and finally displayed at the CSRM. As far as other locomotives that should be on the list... Many SP fans lament not having an Mt-3/4/5 4-8-2 saved. Ditto one of the large "Decapods" - the F-3/4/5 class 2-10-2s. And not to show too much SP bias, I'll throw in the ATSF Blue Goose and any of the Milwaukee Road streamliners into the mix. You covered the NYC Hudson and Niagra.... I hearily concur. Photograph the common today. It won't be so common in the future.
I would have said the Virginians AE class 2-10-10-2s. They were an experimental locomotive design that worked well on the gently curving tracks of the Virginian railroad system. These locomotives were very rare and only lasted a short time before they were all cut up and turned into 2-10-2s. They did give me an idea to build a mallet Garrett with a 2-10-10-2+2-10-10-2 wheel arrangement. It would use the same method Mallet used as it would have a compounding system and the second and third sets of drivers would have steam linkages to the first and fourth sets to drive all four sets. It would weigh in at an estimated 810 or more tonnes and would have 60 inch drivers. Me and the rest of the NT crew have estimated it to be able to pull about 40-60000 tonnes but only at 2-6 mph. I still think that I will make it if I ever get enough money and some help. It would take around 25-30 YEARS to build though so even if I did get enough money for it then I would still age before I get to use it. In the meantime though I am currently building a model replica of this very locomotive and I will make a video on it when it is done.
Jim van der Kolk I know it's quite a crazy idea but I may do it just for the hell of it. I mean SAR (South African Railways) actually thought about making a super Garrett with a 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 wheel arrangement.
22:07. A very good video! Call me crazy, but I'm actually looking at starting my own New Build project to construct a New Y6B once I gather the proper experience and know-how to do such a thing, but instead of being a replica of 2174, It will instead be the next number in the sequence, 2201.
@@Jimboliah3985 You Don't have too. However, It's a passion project of mine, and I desire to see 2201 come to be, whenever that may happen. I promise you this: I will make SURE this locomotive comes to be if it KILLS me.
@@Jimboliah3985 Hey, That's your opinion, and I will respect that. I desire to build the 2201, and I'm going to do all I can to make sure my dream becomes a reality.
Im watching this in 2020 and i must say i enjoyed part 1 and part 2 very educational (: i love trains but big boy and challenger will always be my #1 favorite steamers !! :D
On the Southern K class (number 4), after the derailment, the Southern asked Sir Nigel Gresley to give them a look over and one example ran on LNER tracks where it failed to show any instability until it reached very high speed (70 or 80 mph if I remember correctly) and started to roll though not alarmingly. Gresley handed the locomotive back to the Southern and suggested poor track was to blame for the K's rolling ride not the locomotives themselves. This obviously didn't go down well with the Southern's chief civil engineer who was responsible for the permanent way (the tracks) who flatly banned them from running and forcing the rebuild into the U class tender engines.
Not immature @@sockshandle but certainly touchy especially as it was his professional integrity that was being called into question and by a CME from a different Railway company (though Gresley was probably a lot more diplomatic about it than I've written here).
Hey I liked the S1 yeah it was flawed but it was so cool it kind of like the lamborghini countach of steam locomotives yes its impractical and unwieldy but is fast as hell ant it oozes style
Another good video, thanks for producing it... One point though, Birmingham (the real one in the UK) is in Warwickshire, not Worcestershire... People have been killed for less in the UK! Also, why wasn't the UP's successful Bullmoose 2-8-8-0 on your list? I'm surprised that it didn't even get an 'honourable mention'. UK loco's that should have been preserved, but weren't include pretty much everything from the LNWR, which at one time was the biggest railway company in the world and is tragically under-represented in preservation. Once again thank's for the two videos, I look forward to seeing your future work.
As for the Bull Moose locomotives not being in the list, I felt that the Fetter Challengers were a more memorable and versatile design, and kinda critical given how they were the true predecessors to the Big Boys, while the Heavy Challengers were designed after the Big Boys, really making them earn the title of Big Boy's little brother. ;)
I actually like the A2/2s. Plus, the Southern Pacific GS-8's are technically the final batch of L1 locomotives built by the Cotton Belt, and 819 was apart of the final batch, so...
Ref- your comment at 11.34; there were two early classes with outside gear: four French based de Glenn compounds in 1903 & also six 0-4-0T shunters for Swansea Docks in the 20s; all of these are now scrapped. There were also nearly 100 steam rail motors with outside gear; one of these has been preserved.
Wow, I didn't think anyone could think less of Pennsy's relentless pursuit of a decent duplex than I did, but I think you are there. I guess you didn't include the Milwaukee's F-7 4-6-4 Baltics because they probably did best Mallard's record in service, but the Milwaukee did not want what they felt would be the unwanted perception that it was unsafe. In any event, they surely could have bested it, especially with a Mallard weight consist. They should have been # 1. There were no SP GS-8s, but the GS-5s are decent selections. They were essentially GS-4s with roller bearings. The GS-6s went back to smaller drivers for more freight orientation. While the Virginian Triplex was not successful, their Class AE 2-10-10-2 engines were very successful for a long time in drag service. The Norfolk and Western's K2 and K2a Mountain Classes are worthy of honorable mention as well.
From the point of view of a pure steam lover, yes! But from the point of reliability, good power to weight ratio and cost effectiveness there were/are a handfull of sucsesfull British diesels, the class 20, 37 and 55 (Deltics) all English Eelctric products, and the class 33 with a Sulzer engine. A bit more costly on the maintenance side but a very good power to weight ratio had all Maybach powered Western region hydraulics (Hymek, Warship and Western), they had much to short lives due to the decision of the BR management, our Hymek at the East Lancs rwy gives us very reliable service, with much less defects and failures than a 50 or 47. And lets be realistic, the Dutch weren't that good at designing diesels either, the only diesel serie ever designed and built in the Netherlands (other classes were all imports), the class2600 "Beel" were a complete disaster, comparable with the UK's worst design, the class 28 CoBo (but i'm involved in rebuilding that one anyway. LOL)
Birmingham In Worcestershire? Full marks for pronouncing it correctly, by the way! Historically, Birmingham (aka Brum by Brummies ) was in Warwickshire, pronounced Worricksh'r for those who need instruction in the idiosyncrasies (I had to check the spelling, tut, tut!) of the pronunciation of English place names. I do have a framed 19th century map of Warwickshire (I'm a Warwickshire lad), which I've just checked, and which shows the early railways. In the past, county boundaries were moved around at the whim of the ruling classes, so I should also look at a 17th century Warwickshire map that I have somewhere.. However, in my lifetime, the government has redrawn some county and local authority boundaries at least twice and , in 1974, Birmingham, along with Coventry, was put into the newly created County of the West Midlands, which has since disappeared.
@@Jimboliah3985 How are the uk diesels moronic? And for the American diesel your kinda right. I’m of sure if I have any examples, but if you have any that’ll be nice.
LNER P2s- it's Thane of FIFE, not Thane of FIRE.. 2001 (Cock o' the North and 2002 (Earl Marischal) were built as semi-streamlined Mikados. Later P2s (2003 'Lord President', 2004 'Mons Meg', 2005 'Thane of Fife' and, 2006 'Wolf of Badenoch' were fully streamlined-. they looked like 2-8-2 versions of the A4 class Pacifics such as Mallard. Good videos . Sorry we Brits broke up the Y6b. (SIGH)... We just didn't THINK...
Those Southern z class locos were very powerful. In its heyday in the sixties hoo junction had a z class and 2 c class tanks to process the 2000 odd wagons that passed through. I was born not 3 miles away from said Junction yards and cut my spotting teeth there in the early 80s.
I am waiting for the Z class to be realeased in model form. They built 10 and other less numerous classes are already represented. I remember seeing one as a kid. Very powerful loco
One Z class nearly made it into preservation. It was intended to be saved by the bluebell railway. Sadly the Bluebell Railway were too late to save it and sadly, it was broken up for scrap. The engine in question was SR 952 (tops number 30952)
Very good narration in English for a Dutchie, the accent lying somewhere between a British and American accent makes it good understandable for anyone speaking (some) English, also like the jokes in between, and the right terms used for both sides of the pond, altough there was one small mistake, in the case of British locomotives their numbers are refered to as running numbers, not road numbers. I would have had seen the Niagara above the River class, as the Niagara did so much for achieving maximum cost effectiveness from a steam locomotive, which was higher than any diesel, according to a comparision trial done by NYC itself. They were also the best looking American 4-8-4 with their sleek lines My favorite for an extinct British loco class would be the CR Dunalastair ( any of the I, II, III or IVth variant), because they achieved great performance for such a small locomotive (they were 4-4-0's)
One missing extinct locomotive from this list is the Southern Railroad (US) Ms-4 Mikados. And before people say anything SOU 4501 is an Ms, not only that but the first mikado built for the Southern. The Ms-4's were a very successful design, so much so that they rebuilt the vast majority of their Ss-1 Santa Fe types (2-10-2) from the Rathole division into mikados that were very much like the MS-4. The Ms-4 was also the last steam engine to haul a train in revenue service for the Southern when on June 17, 1953 No. 6330 pulled into Chattanooga, TN for the final time, making the Southern the first class 1 railroad to completely switch to diesels. I totally agree about the Central of Georgia Big Apples, one should have been preserved. There's also the Atlantic Coast Line's R-1 class northerns that somehow didn't make it to preservation.
MegaIdiotJerk actually no I didn’t read the comments, I commented that a year ago, I was just naming the extinct engines, but yeah E2s are overrated, they were terrible performers, and they had insufficient speed
While I really don't like the Rolling River Tanks, I agree that the Q2s were a HUGE step over the Q1 (which is currently my most hated design), as well as the P2s would've been better off had Thompson left them alone; he did build decent original designs, but he ruined everything he tries to fix. I'm kinda sad that the Niagara didn't make the list, especially with how powerful they were as conventional engines and how they quite literally challenged the economy efficiency of the diesel itself, but I'm really glad that Big Bertha made the list; the largest loco from a Small Locomotive railway and could actually be called large!
A lot of new builds won't see the light of day, including the Cock O'The North in all likelihood. Prince of Wales will run though (although she's probably delayed thanks to the virus).
I think one good honorable mention would be the furnace railway k2 class And quick newsflash, you may have heard by now I knew LNER P2 class is Currently under construction.
Me too Jon. On more than one occasional, schoolboy me travelling up to Birmingham from Cheltenham had my train assisted up that steep Lickey Incline by no less a celebrity locomotive than "Big Bertha" herself. Some locomotive that.
Quasimoto7 819 was never sent to the Southern Pacific. Instead, she was donated for display in Pine Bluff upon retirement. She always was, and still is a SSW L1 class.
36:12 Actually, one SP GS-8 is still around, Cotton Belt 819. I say this because really, the GS-8s were actually SSW L-1s, half of them were transferred to SP in the early 50s.
These classes have none surviving as well: A1/1 A2/1 A2/3 Raven A2 LNER A5 Furness Railway K2 LNER B17 and B2 The original Peppercorn A1s LNER J50 LNER K3 LNER V4 Thompson O1 Just to name a few. Also, the A2/2s look very nice in my opinion.
My picks of Extinct Steam Locomotives: Milwaukee Road Class A 4-4-2s and Class F7 4-6-4s Virginian Railways 2-6-6-6s "Blue Ridges" Union Pacific Streamlined Locomotives (#7002 a 4-8-2) and (#2906 a 4-6-2) New Haven I-5 4-6-4s All US Steam Turbines for PRR, Union Pacific, C&O and N&W
This was a UK and US list, remember? And I wouldn't really pick the Virginian's Blue Ridges, as they were just slightly lighter Alleghenies. And there are 2 of them still left.
It should also be worth mentioning that the scrapyard wanted to donate the 2143 & 2174 to the Roanoke Museum of Transportation, after sister engine 2189 was scrapped, in the mid to late 60’s, but the City of Roanoke rejected the offer, simply because they didn’t to have to restore those “Scrap Piles”
Isn't the Bluebell railway building a new 4-4-2 with an existing boiler? Just like the A1 Pacific it should be steaming within a couple years. At least I hope so.
When I talked about the LMS Turbomotive, I said that it's the only turbine locomotive on the list. So from that point, which was #14, you could've dropped the hopes of the S2 being on here.
I vote for Sir Nigel Gresley's B17 Sandringham class 4-6-0 with 3-cylinders. And their B2 2-cylinder successors. In total 73 were built.The Sandringhams (or 'Footballers' since later locos were named after UK soccer teams).were originally built for the Great Eastern Main-line from London to Norwich starting in 1927. In September 1937 two locomotives (Nos. 2859 Norwich City and 2870 Tottenham Hotspur were streamlined in the style of the LNER Class A4s, renamed East Anglian and City of London for use on the East Anglian express train. The streamlining was for publicity only and was stripped from the locos by 1951. Ten B17s were rebuilt by Edward Thompson as 2-cylinder locomotives using his bigger B1 class boiler, between 1945 and 1949, becoming the Class B2. The B17 class was withdrawn between 1952 and 1960. No B17s or B2s were preserved. Only one Thompson B1 has been preserved.
There are 2 B1s left, mr Baines. Locomotives 1264 and 1306, the latter of which has taken the name Mayflower from long lost classmate 1372. And there are replica projects for the B17.
After LNER renumbering, all B17s and B2s started their numbers with '16'. We knew them as 616ers under BR. 61600 was named Sandringham, after the royal estate in Norfolk, so they were also called Sandys. None of the B17 or B2 classes have survived into preservation, but a few of the football clubs were presented with the name plates after the locomotives were scrapped. One replica and one new-build B17 are (almost?) under construction 1264 and 1306 are both B1s, Thompson's successful Class 5 2-cylinder 4-6-0s. I had forgotten 1264 hence my comment 'Only one Thompson B1 has been preserved.' Considering the size of the B1 class, two preserved is 'not a lot'. Years 1958 through 1961 I travelled to school behind steam trains in Hertfordshire, usually behind a B1, B17 or B2.
As of April 5, 2019 The Saint class is no longer extinct as GWR 2999 Lady of Legend is now officially under steam at Didcot.
It’s Mainly Hall
@@Jaymehkook Yes, but she is no longer a Hall class.
Was surprised to see the GWR Saint class here, had to check the date the video was made! Glad you mentioned the rebuild though, which is now completed.
Lady of Legend is in one of the videos on my channel, along with 1501, which was showing as the thumbnail of this video when I clicked it.
If Lionel makes a Vision Line model of a y6b I would totally buy it.
I think anyone who likes big mallets would buy it
It’s sad to see the magnificent locomotives be withdrawn scrapped and cut up
Agreed
Bloody enjoyed these two vids a lot! thanks Jim. One thing, the GWR 460 counties had boiler pressure of 280 pounds per square inch when first built.
I was kinda hoping that the Furness Railway 21/K2 “Larger Seagull” Mixed Traffic Engine would be on this list, besides it being Edward’s inspiration, it is one of the best looking Mixed Traffic Engines I have ever seen and considering when they were built it might have inspired a hell of a lot of other classes, including City Of Truro, I mean, it’s basically a K2 with one of those blocks in front of the cab
14:00 in Jim asks "Anyone Bored Yet?"... Not me, really enjoyed that Jim. You are clearly a well researched Railway Enthusiast . Considering you're north American, impressed with your handling and presentation of UK Locomotive design. Keep up the good work.
GWR 2900 Saint class 2999 Lady of Legend is completed.
First: That name is a meme if I've ever seen one.
Second: THANK THE HEAVENS!!!
The Southern Pacific GS-8’s were Cotton Belt L-1 class 4-8-4’s that were leased by the SP at the end of steam on the SP just renumbered and reclassified to match the SP numbering and classification system. And one does still exist in the form of Cotton Belt L-1 #819 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
Interesting video. I was hoping to see the Virginian class AE 2-10-10-2 featured. Initially used to ram coal trains between Elmore and Algonquin over Clark's Gap. Some lasted until the early 1950's
The Granges were remarkably free running, more free than the Halls, who were no slouches in the free running department.
What about the Southern Pacific’s gs2s gs3s, and gs5s ?
Anyone heard of the LBSC L class?
Lovely looking engines, built in the UK for suburban passenger service I think
I think you sounded almost a bit like Scrooge McDuck when you tried to do that Scottish accent when you were talking about the LNER P2s.
Personally, I think you should of included the New Haven Railroad's I-4 4-6-2, and I-5 4-6-4. If only they would built a new I-5.
One valve gear that interests me is always been Walscharts..
But baker and Stephenson are interesting.
The most iconic I know is the B2 Rotary valve gear used on the later Penn Railroad T1’s that helped against Slip
(27-Nov-19)
*23:07* "Thane of Phayaa"
That was flawless, given that it was a thane. I was laughing so much.
Edit: *39:28* Did anyone here notice the road number on the Big Boy?!
I did
35:49 the Great Eastern A55, a 3 cylinder, 0-10-0WT built in 1902 was known as "Decapod" it was always a one off. Rebuilt in 1906 as a 2 cylinder 0-8-0 tender loco but was scrapped in 1913 as a nonstandard locomotive.
36:25 The LMS Garratts where handicapped/hobbled by not having the tried and tested Bayer Peacock, roller bearing, axleboxes, on the insistence of someone from the Derby design office they were fitted with standard Midland axleboxes, which were barely adequate on the LMS 4F's amongst other problems.
I would like to mention the Southern Railroad's Ms-4 class 2-8-2s. As copies of the USRA heavy 2-8-2s, they were built by ALCo and Baldwin from 1923 - 1928. They were the Southern's standard freight locomotives and were used on heavy freight trains and also used on passenger runs. In 1952, the first of the Ms-4s started to fall from the Southern's active roster and by June 1953, only the Ms-4s on the Southern's Alabama Great Southern Subsidiary were left. Sadly these would also retire in 1954. Sadly none of them, not even all of the original and copy USRA heavy 2-8-2s were spared from the scrappers torch.
Also it would have been nice to have had fetter challenger No.3800 around since we already have two surviving challenger locomotives with those being 3977 and 3985
You Know Cotton Belt 819 Is A Rebuilt GS-8,Right!?!
What about the E2 Tank engines?
Popular for the wrong reasons. They failed badly at their intended Job, and although they found some lease of live in the form of dockyard shunting, they were still outclassed by the USATC S100 class shunters.
That and they could only pull passenger trains at walking speed
Also bad brakes, small bunker and tanks (100-104), and not good at hauling wagons. Only really alright at being dockyard shunters.
I agree with you on the Fetter Challengers. I've always had a fascination with those. :)
Well, good news: Somebody is trying to build a new one in full size! :D
Really?! AWESOME!!!! :D
Really enjoyed the videos, Jim. Great sense of humour (really!). My suggestion for honourable mention would be the beautiful 'Brighton Baltic' tanks - the most handsome locomotives ever to grace a British railway.
I'd rather have an A4 or a Coronation. Or a King.
@@Jimboliah3985 Is the RIGHT answer. Top choices. My three favourites just a tad behind my all time favourite... Big Bertha herself.
3:38 is that locomotive still around today that took big bertha 's headlight or was it scrapped like big bertha also I think the UK should build a new one of her the us should build a new fetter challenger and y6b too
CONTIUATION- FS,[Italy],Plancher Compound locomotives,used on that system,as well as other Italian based lines! There were drawings of those engines in the Midland Railway design offices,in Derby! Surprise,surprise,that one overlooked factor,and the other questions are why didn't the Midland multiply more of these engines,as that would have greatly speeded up the Lickey Bank! As an aside,the Santa Fe,pioneered the 2-10-2,so why didn't the Midland take that hint! More questions no real answers! Thank you for the insight and opinions,they do stir the brain cells! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT 👍 👌!
Great list! The only one you missed, in my opinion, was the Milwaukee road A class
Hey you got to give Thompson credit for keeping most of the P2 parts
There was never an LNER P2 named Thane of Fire It was Thane of FIFE Fife is a council area and historic county of Scotland. It is situated between the Firth of Tay and the Firth of Forth,and a Thane (in Scotland) was a man, often the chief of a clan, who held land from a Scottish king and ranked with an earl's son.Apart from that I enjoyed it Jim
Misread it. :|
US steam was ahead of the UK in so many ways... and I speak as a Brit. The GW Counties were obsolete from new (internal valve gear)
At the 41:10 mark, I think you may have hit the nail on the head because a fellow UA-camr got an O-Scale Challenger mixed up with the Big Boy while he was at the Great Train Expo about 9 years ago.
My home town has an L&N depot. It has 2 tracks, a siding for tank cars, and an old coal tipple. We only have freight trains to go through now. Never seen a passenger train run through in my life.
I'm not sure why a Southern Pacific AC-11 made the list, when you know (and showed) an AC-12 is preserved (at CSRM), and it was shopped before going on display in front of the old Sacramento depot before being put aside and finally displayed at the CSRM.
As far as other locomotives that should be on the list... Many SP fans lament not having an Mt-3/4/5 4-8-2 saved. Ditto one of the large "Decapods" - the F-3/4/5 class 2-10-2s. And not to show too much SP bias, I'll throw in the ATSF Blue Goose and any of the Milwaukee Road streamliners into the mix. You covered the NYC Hudson and Niagra.... I hearily concur.
Photograph the common today. It won't be so common in the future.
I would have said the Virginians AE class 2-10-10-2s. They were an experimental locomotive design that worked well on the gently curving tracks of the Virginian railroad system. These locomotives were very rare and only lasted a short time before they were all cut up and turned into 2-10-2s. They did give me an idea to build a mallet Garrett with a 2-10-10-2+2-10-10-2 wheel arrangement. It would use the same method Mallet used as it would have a compounding system and the second and third sets of drivers would have steam linkages to the first and fourth sets to drive all four sets. It would weigh in at an estimated 810 or more tonnes and would have 60 inch drivers. Me and the rest of the NT crew have estimated it to be able to pull about 40-60000 tonnes but only at 2-6 mph. I still think that I will make it if I ever get enough money and some help. It would take around 25-30 YEARS to build though so even if I did get enough money for it then I would still age before I get to use it. In the meantime though I am currently building a model replica of this very locomotive and I will make a video on it when it is done.
... That's ridiculous. I have no words to describe how stupid and unplausible I think your project for that Super-Garrett is... It's just TOO BIG...
Jim van der Kolk I know it's quite a crazy idea but I may do it just for the hell of it. I mean SAR (South African Railways) actually thought about making a super Garrett with a 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 wheel arrangement.
22:07. A very good video! Call me crazy, but I'm actually looking at starting my own New Build project to construct a New Y6B once I gather the proper experience and know-how to do such a thing, but instead of being a replica of 2174, It will instead be the next number in the sequence, 2201.
I know that already, and I don't support the construction of the 2201.
@@Jimboliah3985 You Don't have too. However, It's a passion project of mine, and I desire to see 2201 come to be, whenever that may happen. I promise you this: I will make SURE this locomotive comes to be if it KILLS me.
I'm the same guy who said you shouldn't overstep the 2200.
@@Jimboliah3985 Hey, That's your opinion, and I will respect that. I desire to build the 2201, and I'm going to do all I can to make sure my dream becomes a reality.
The SR Z Class deserves a new-build project (if it isn’t too expensive) as they were the only steam shutters built by the SR.
Im watching this in 2020 and i must say i enjoyed part 1 and part 2 very educational (: i love trains but big boy and challenger will always be my #1 favorite steamers !! :D
One GS-8 still exists but classified as an L1 where they originated from the Cotton Belt. L1 #819.
On the Southern K class (number 4), after the derailment, the Southern asked Sir Nigel Gresley to give them a look over and one example ran on LNER tracks where it failed to show any instability until it reached very high speed (70 or 80 mph if I remember correctly) and started to roll though not alarmingly. Gresley handed the locomotive back to the Southern and suggested poor track was to blame for the K's rolling ride not the locomotives themselves. This obviously didn't go down well with the Southern's chief civil engineer who was responsible for the permanent way (the tracks) who flatly banned them from running and forcing the rebuild into the U class tender engines.
So the southerns chief civil engineer was a bit immature? cause If I were him I would make sure tracks were up to snuff with standards then disprove
Not immature @@sockshandle but certainly touchy especially as it was his professional integrity that was being called into question and by a CME from a different Railway company (though Gresley was probably a lot more diplomatic about it than I've written here).
Your Scotch (that'll annoy them) accent is better than mine and I live dangerously close to the border... About 200 miles which is close enough 😀
Hey I liked the S1 yeah it was flawed but it was so cool it kind of like the lamborghini countach of steam locomotives yes its impractical and unwieldy but is fast as hell ant it oozes style
Hurricane Furia Yeah didn’t it hit 176 mph ??????
Really was hoping someone would finally do the B&M Berks, good video anyhow
Looked them up and then I remember how ugly they were... So no thanks... : /
Jim van der Kolk then you haven’t seen the Southern Pacific Berkshires, they’re the worst looking Berkshires
They were exactly the same.
Jim van der Kolk oh right b&m sold off there 2-8-4’s to sp & I think Santa Fe? & didn’t SF have there own Berkshires?
Well the polar express came from its maker Lima and then pere marquette
Another good video, thanks for producing it... One point though, Birmingham (the real one in the UK) is in Warwickshire, not Worcestershire... People have been killed for less in the UK!
Also, why wasn't the UP's successful Bullmoose 2-8-8-0 on your list? I'm surprised that it didn't even get an 'honourable mention'. UK loco's that should have been preserved, but weren't include pretty much everything from the LNWR, which at one time was the biggest railway company in the world and is tragically under-represented in preservation.
Once again thank's for the two videos, I look forward to seeing your future work.
As for the Bull Moose locomotives not being in the list, I felt that the Fetter Challengers were a more memorable and versatile design, and kinda critical given how they were the true predecessors to the Big Boys, while the Heavy Challengers were designed after the Big Boys, really making them earn the title of Big Boy's little brother. ;)
I actually like the A2/2s. Plus, the Southern Pacific GS-8's are technically the final batch of L1 locomotives built by the Cotton Belt, and 819 was apart of the final batch, so...
Ref- your comment at 11.34; there were two early classes with outside gear: four French based de Glenn compounds in 1903 & also six 0-4-0T shunters for Swansea Docks in the 20s; all of these are now scrapped. There were also nearly 100 steam rail motors with outside gear; one of these has been preserved.
I don't cover French locomotives.
There actually does survive a PRR J1 boiler, although buried underneath mud
great to see so many svr locomotives on this video, I'm a volunteer there!
Wasn't the intention, really.
I suggest you talk about the GWR 4700 Class some more and the NYC Locomotives.
4700s aren’t extinct as one is being built
@@cheyvengeance5432 Seriously?
FeatherWings78 yes it’s being built by the Great western society but off site at Llangollen
I thought the SP GS-8 was a reclassing of the Cotton Belt L-1's, of which #819 still exists.
Heres 2 locos you missed
1. Central New Jersey pacific
2. Western pacific gs-64
The MR's Big Bertha was a 4-cyl simple locomotive, employing only two valves.
Wow, I didn't think anyone could think less of Pennsy's relentless pursuit of a decent duplex than I did, but I think you are there.
I guess you didn't include the Milwaukee's F-7 4-6-4 Baltics because they probably did best Mallard's record in service, but the Milwaukee did not want what they felt would be the unwanted perception that it was unsafe. In any event, they surely could have bested it, especially with a Mallard weight consist. They should have been # 1.
There were no SP GS-8s, but the GS-5s are decent selections. They were essentially GS-4s with roller bearings. The GS-6s went back to smaller drivers for more freight orientation.
While the Virginian Triplex was not successful, their Class AE 2-10-10-2 engines were very successful for a long time in drag service.
The Norfolk and Western's K2 and K2a Mountain Classes are worthy of honorable mention as well.
4-6-4s were actually called, "hudsons"
Marco Lopena - 4-6-4's were called Hudsons in the USA and Baltics in the rest of the world.
U should do the worst top 20 UK and US steam locomotives. Just a suggestion.
Was planning on a Top 5... :P
What about favorite locomotives in movies?
The worst top ten of British diesels would be very easy....
Everything. :P
From the point of view of a pure steam lover, yes!
But from the point of reliability, good power to weight ratio and cost effectiveness there were/are a handfull of sucsesfull British diesels, the class 20, 37 and 55 (Deltics) all English Eelctric products, and the class 33 with a Sulzer engine.
A bit more costly on the maintenance side but a very good power to weight ratio had all Maybach powered Western region hydraulics (Hymek, Warship and Western), they had much to short lives due to the decision of the BR management, our Hymek at the East Lancs rwy gives us very reliable service, with much less defects and failures than a 50 or 47.
And lets be realistic, the Dutch weren't that good at designing diesels either, the only diesel serie ever designed and built in the Netherlands (other classes were all imports), the class2600 "Beel" were a complete disaster, comparable with the UK's worst design, the class 28 CoBo (but i'm involved in rebuilding that one anyway. LOL)
Birmingham In Worcestershire? Full marks for pronouncing it correctly, by the way! Historically, Birmingham (aka Brum by Brummies ) was in Warwickshire, pronounced Worricksh'r for those who need instruction in the idiosyncrasies (I had to check the spelling, tut, tut!) of the pronunciation of English place names. I do have a framed 19th century map of Warwickshire (I'm a Warwickshire lad), which I've just checked, and which shows the early railways. In the past, county boundaries were moved around at the whim of the ruling classes, so I should also look at a 17th century Warwickshire map that I have somewhere.. However, in my lifetime, the government has redrawn some county and local authority boundaries at least twice and , in 1974, Birmingham, along with Coventry, was put into the newly created County of the West Midlands, which has since disappeared.
T-1 Texas type 3020 was involved with a boiler explosion in may of 1948
Can you tackle Extinct Australian steam locos next? that'd be something I'd like to see
The 2190 excursion is in Pocahontas Glory Volume 8 and the 2714 excursion is in Pocahontas Glory Volume 5.
And more interesting train in part 2 as well. You should try doing so diesels from U.K. & us!
No.
I don't like diesels from the UK because they look so moronic to me. And most US diesels are the same to me.
@@Jimboliah3985 How are the uk diesels moronic? And for the American diesel your kinda right. I’m of sure if I have any examples, but if you have any that’ll be nice.
LNER P2s- it's Thane of FIFE, not Thane of FIRE.. 2001 (Cock o' the North and 2002 (Earl Marischal) were built as semi-streamlined Mikados. Later P2s (2003 'Lord President', 2004 'Mons Meg', 2005 'Thane of Fife' and, 2006 'Wolf of Badenoch' were fully streamlined-. they looked like 2-8-2 versions of the A4 class Pacifics such as Mallard. Good videos . Sorry we Brits broke up the Y6b. (SIGH)... We just didn't THINK...
Several others already beat you to it. But thanks anyway.
N&W planned to build a y7 but it only made it to the blue print phase but never saw construction physically
These two videos have been brilliant, well done lad very nicely done 😊 subbed.
This is a great video
#2 was a bit shocking... for me at least
My recomend for one you missed
Southern railway Z class tank locos
Here is another possibility (but one still exists): Union Pacific 4-12-2 "Union Pacific" types, even though I like to call them "Unionizers".
Those Southern z class locos were very powerful. In its heyday in the sixties hoo junction had a z class and 2 c class tanks to process the 2000 odd wagons that passed through. I was born not 3 miles away from said Junction yards and cut my spotting teeth there in the early 80s.
I am waiting for the Z class to be realeased in model form. They built 10 and other less numerous classes are already represented. I remember seeing one as a kid. Very powerful loco
The SR Z Class deserves a new-build project (if it isn’t too expensive) as they were the only steam shutters built by the SR.
One Z class nearly made it into preservation. It was intended to be saved by the bluebell railway. Sadly the Bluebell Railway were too late to save it and sadly, it was broken up for scrap. The engine in question was SR 952 (tops number 30952)
Very good narration in English for a Dutchie, the accent lying somewhere between a British and American accent makes it good understandable for anyone speaking (some) English, also like the jokes in between, and the right terms used for both sides of the pond, altough there was one small mistake, in the case of British locomotives their numbers are refered to as running numbers, not road numbers.
I would have had seen the Niagara above the River class, as the Niagara did so much for achieving maximum cost effectiveness from a steam locomotive, which was higher than any diesel, according to a comparision trial done by NYC itself. They were also the best looking American 4-8-4 with their sleek lines
My favorite for an extinct British loco class would be the CR Dunalastair ( any of the I, II, III or IVth variant), because they achieved great performance for such a small locomotive (they were 4-4-0's)
One missing extinct locomotive from this list is the Southern Railroad (US) Ms-4 Mikados. And before people say anything SOU 4501 is an Ms, not only that but the first mikado built for the Southern. The Ms-4's were a very successful design, so much so that they rebuilt the vast majority of their Ss-1 Santa Fe types (2-10-2) from the Rathole division into mikados that were very much like the MS-4. The Ms-4 was also the last steam engine to haul a train in revenue service for the Southern when on June 17, 1953 No. 6330 pulled into Chattanooga, TN for the final time, making the Southern the first class 1 railroad to completely switch to diesels.
I totally agree about the Central of Georgia Big Apples, one should have been preserved. There's also the Atlantic Coast Line's R-1 class northerns that somehow didn't make it to preservation.
They couldn't wait to have EMD do their thinking for them.
LBSCR E2, FR K2, LNER A1, L&YR CLASS 28, BELL OPEN CAB OIL BURNER, NEILSON SADDLE TANK 0-4-0, NEILSON BOX TANK, LNWR BLOOMER CLASS, USSR AA-20
MegaIdiotJerk actually no I didn’t read the comments, I commented that a year ago, I was just naming the extinct engines, but yeah E2s are overrated, they were terrible performers, and they had insufficient speed
The big boys were 4-8-8-4's while challengers were 4-6-6-4's. P.S. I also expected the LBSCR E2 as well.
Firstly: You don't say!?
Secondly: I didn't pick the E2s because they sucked.
Well the one with the new running number 110 won't suck at all.
They did back then.
Appreciated the work. Would have liked to see the ATSF 2-10-10-2 included. Massive, but unsuccessful experiment
The Claude Hamilton's were a Great Eastern locomotive named after the chairman of GER at the time.
You also gave me a great idea! And great extinct steam engines video by the way.
the county is almost back in service and betton grange is under construction
I believe that Union Pacific has a4 in-8-2 in their steam collection at Cheyenne Wyoming,but I might be wrong on that.
While I really don't like the Rolling River Tanks, I agree that the Q2s were a HUGE step over the Q1 (which is currently my most hated design), as well as the P2s would've been better off had Thompson left them alone; he did build decent original designs, but he ruined everything he tries to fix. I'm kinda sad that the Niagara didn't make the list, especially with how powerful they were as conventional engines and how they quite literally challenged the economy efficiency of the diesel itself, but I'm really glad that Big Bertha made the list; the largest loco from a Small Locomotive railway and could actually be called large!
I think if the A2/2 had smoke deflector like the other Thomson Pacific it would help to improve looks a lifting smoke
23:06 [insert flame thrower]
It was actually called Thane of Fife.
A lot of new builds won't see the light of day, including the Cock O'The North in all likelihood. Prince of Wales will run though (although she's probably delayed thanks to the virus).
I think one good honorable mention would be the furnace railway k2 class And quick newsflash, you may have heard by now I knew LNER P2 class is Currently under construction.
Love this
. Am of an age to have experienced all of the UK Locos
Admire your choices!!!
Me too Jon. On more than one occasional, schoolboy me travelling up to Birmingham from Cheltenham had my train assisted up that steep Lickey Incline by no less a celebrity locomotive than "Big Bertha" herself. Some locomotive that.
The GS-8 survives, if you count SSW 819. The GS-8 came from the SSW
Quasimoto7 819 was never sent to the Southern Pacific. Instead, she was donated for display in Pine Bluff upon retirement. She always was, and still is a SSW L1 class.
36:12 Actually, one SP GS-8 is still around, Cotton Belt 819. I say this because really, the GS-8s were actually SSW L-1s, half of them were transferred to SP in the early 50s.
Sorry to be picky, but Birmimgham England was in Warwickshire, not Worcestershire
These classes have none surviving as well:
A1/1
A2/1
A2/3
Raven A2
LNER A5
Furness Railway K2
LNER B17 and B2
The original Peppercorn A1s
LNER J50
LNER K3
LNER V4
Thompson O1
Just to name a few. Also, the A2/2s look very nice in my opinion.
Out.
some I have in mind are the LNWR Alfred the greats, Caledonian Railway IVs and Class 66s, as well as the LNER L1 2-6-4 tanks.
Northern Pacific’s Z Class 2-6-6-4 Challengers (Z-6 to Z-8) should be on the list.
we'll not forget the story of the mighty Y6B Haulers on the N&W
There is a addendum for the LMS,Big Bertha,0-10-0,as it was actually a copy of the FS,[
My picks of Extinct Steam Locomotives:
Milwaukee Road Class A 4-4-2s and Class F7 4-6-4s
Virginian Railways 2-6-6-6s "Blue Ridges"
Union Pacific Streamlined Locomotives (#7002 a 4-8-2) and (#2906 a 4-6-2)
New Haven I-5 4-6-4s
All US Steam Turbines for PRR, Union Pacific, C&O and N&W
This was a UK and US list, remember?
And I wouldn't really pick the Virginian's Blue Ridges, as they were just slightly lighter Alleghenies. And there are 2 of them still left.
Sad to see the dreams of steam dissipate....
It should also be worth mentioning that the scrapyard wanted to donate the 2143 & 2174 to the Roanoke Museum of Transportation, after sister engine 2189 was scrapped, in the mid to late 60’s, but the City of Roanoke rejected the offer, simply because they didn’t to have to restore those “Scrap Piles”
2156 was never in that scrapyard.
Jim van der Kolk oops, sorry meant 2143, but yeah, 2174 had 2 chances to be preserved
I'm not going to lie I didn't expect this Kind of video form you but that doesn't mean these are bad good job mate 🙂
Yeah, steam locomotives are my biggest childhood hobby. Heck, I liked them before I was introduced to Transformers. :P
Isn't the Bluebell railway building a new 4-4-2 with an existing boiler? Just like the A1 Pacific it should be steaming within a couple years. At least I hope so.
I agree with you about building a new Fetter Challenger?
The LNER Mikado No 2005 was not named Thane of Fire.
It was named Thane of Fife after Lord Macduff, the character in William Shakespeare's Macbeth.
And in the honorable mentions, I had no idea that the Great Eastern A55s were extinct, AND the LNER Claud Hamiltons
The A55 was a one-off.
I love your videos so addicting
Saint no longer extinct as Lady of Legend Operational - County and Grange are being built completed as well.
Have you checked when this was uploaded? I also mentioned the revival of said classes.
I thought the Pennsylvania Railroad S2 would be on the list
When I talked about the LMS Turbomotive, I said that it's the only turbine locomotive on the list. So from that point, which was #14, you could've dropped the hopes of the S2 being on here.
Oh yeah, I forgot that the PRR 6200 was a steam turbine locomotive also
Why didn't I expect this
Did you really think that the PRR S2 would be on it
Yep
I vote for Sir Nigel Gresley's B17 Sandringham class 4-6-0 with 3-cylinders. And their B2 2-cylinder successors. In total 73 were built.The Sandringhams (or 'Footballers' since later locos were named after UK soccer teams).were originally built for the Great Eastern Main-line from London to Norwich starting in 1927. In September 1937 two locomotives (Nos. 2859 Norwich City and 2870 Tottenham Hotspur were streamlined in the style of the LNER Class A4s, renamed East Anglian and City of London for use on the East Anglian express train. The streamlining was for publicity only and was stripped from the locos by 1951. Ten B17s were rebuilt by Edward Thompson as 2-cylinder locomotives using his bigger B1 class boiler, between 1945 and 1949, becoming the Class B2. The B17 class was withdrawn between 1952 and 1960. No B17s or B2s were preserved. Only one Thompson B1 has been preserved.
There are 2 B1s left, mr Baines. Locomotives 1264 and 1306, the latter of which has taken the name Mayflower from long lost classmate 1372.
And there are replica projects for the B17.
After LNER renumbering, all B17s and B2s started their numbers with '16'. We knew them as 616ers under BR. 61600 was named Sandringham, after the royal estate in Norfolk, so they were also called Sandys. None of the B17 or B2 classes have survived into preservation, but a few of the football clubs were presented with the name plates after the locomotives were scrapped. One replica and one new-build B17 are (almost?) under construction
1264 and 1306 are both B1s, Thompson's successful Class 5 2-cylinder 4-6-0s. I had forgotten 1264 hence my comment 'Only one Thompson B1 has been preserved.' Considering the size of the B1 class, two preserved is 'not a lot'. Years 1958 through 1961 I travelled to school behind steam trains in Hertfordshire, usually behind a B1, B17 or B2.
... slip of the tongue... ;-;
Two B1's actually!
If I did one of these, one I would feature would be the experimental ATSF 2-10-10-2