C64 Tim Follin's "Ghouls'n'Ghosts Intro" oscilloscope view

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  • Found a player that solos the voices correctly (java SIDplay2), so all synchronization and ring modulation effects are visible. I also wrote a program to draw the wave forms instead of filming my oscilloscope! :)
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  • @haydndalton
    @haydndalton 8 років тому +475

    Love this tune and was fortunate enough to work at Software Creations when Tim did this tune. He's not only talented, but hella funny, too.

    • @batlin
      @batlin 7 років тому +51

      Haydn Dalton you must have some interesting stories about that to tell us!

    • @ancientapparition1638
      @ancientapparition1638 6 років тому +29

      Apparently not :/

    • @T3KNUG3T5
      @T3KNUG3T5 5 років тому +9

      Yeah please share some stories

    • @batlin
      @batlin 4 роки тому +7

      @@phalxor ... Because it sounds like an interesting place/time to have worked, and Tim is an interesting character?
      Why not assume that?

    • @BottomOfTheDumpsterFire
      @BottomOfTheDumpsterFire 3 роки тому +5

      @@batlin Adding to what you wrote, video games in the 1980s is a different environment altogether and if you're read about Imagine Software, it's a wild ride sometimes.

  • @littlelamp100
    @littlelamp100 7 років тому +296

    who would have thought
    noise + filtered noise + triangle clicking or something like that idk = really realistic rain sound
    genius piece of work right here

  • @earthsteward70
    @earthsteward70 7 років тому +86

    Yo this is just fucking with me, how did he achieve such breathing noises without sample work?!

    • @TheBeeshSpweesh
      @TheBeeshSpweesh 7 років тому +37

      The composer was using a lowpass filter output with the noise waveform selected.

  • @TheLoveMario
    @TheLoveMario 7 років тому +272

    Those ambient sounds at the beginning are way too realistic

    • @earthsteward70
      @earthsteward70 7 років тому +17

      You aint seen shit yet bro, some demoscenes do actual sampling work and full motion video

    • @jju00
      @jju00 6 років тому +42

      @@earthsteward70 Yeah but those are demos made by people who probably had more time to do that and probably more resources too. Tim Follin did these sounds for an actual videogame published back in the day.

    • @RoddyDev
      @RoddyDev 5 років тому +19

      also the C64 capabilities are way more studied nowadays

    • @ExtremeWreck
      @ExtremeWreck 4 роки тому +8

      @@jju00 And on a VERY strict time limit too.

    • @earx23
      @earx23 2 роки тому +3

      @@RoddyDev Yeah, and tbh, I still listen to this often.. and not so much to newer demoscene music. Must be the composition. Follin is a freaking genius.

  • @mundolukas
    @mundolukas 6 років тому +47

    This is the most atmospheric music I ever heard coming from a C64 game, the whole time I was like: "you gotta be fucking kidding me, RAIN?, SINE-ESQUE WAVES? how on earth is this man capable of doing this??"

  • @nikamota
    @nikamota 9 років тому +94

    I've never actually sat down and listened to this through headphones before! It's really pretty astonishing what Tim Follin did with the SID chip here! The heavy rain and droplets of water at the beginning just sounds so real and the breathing and heartbeat at the end is amazing.
    Great video,thank you!

  • @v1c-was-her3
    @v1c-was-her3 4 роки тому +15

    From the portrayal of ambient rain to a scream to footsteps getting closer to the banging of a door to heavy breathing and a heartbeat... whilst using such limited resources
    This man is absolutely incredible in his craft and just so wickedly talented

  • @SendyTheEndless
    @SendyTheEndless 10 років тому +59

    Some really interesting timbres in this one. Sine waves (filtering?), combination waves, filtered noise, extreme envelopes, excellent use of ringmod and sync to make what sounds like a wolf howling in the distance. Amazing.

    • @RolfRBakke
      @RolfRBakke  10 років тому +23

      Don't forget the screaming woman, heart beat and breathing sounds :)
      Only ringmod is used in the wolf sound.

  • @SpongeMagic
    @SpongeMagic 8 років тому +64

    This was the guy who made the kickass soundtrack to Silver Surfer on the NES. Do it's gotta be good!

    • @FLYNN_TAGGART
      @FLYNN_TAGGART 6 років тому +6

      Also check out his Pictionary and Time Trax and Plok OST!

    • @Sh-hg8kf
      @Sh-hg8kf 4 роки тому +2

      @@FLYNN_TAGGART and treasure master!

    • @diskkun4120
      @diskkun4120 4 роки тому +3

      @@Sh-hg8kf and Solstice!

    • @BottomOfTheDumpsterFire
      @BottomOfTheDumpsterFire 3 роки тому +1

      @@diskkun4120 and Equinox! (And I guess the Dreamcast Ecco game too)

  • @Automatik234
    @Automatik234 7 років тому +133

    Wow! That's an amazing way of simulationg rain!

    • @cleverhardy5230
      @cleverhardy5230 6 років тому +12

      Indeed. The realistic sounds for the time made Tim Follin an underappreciated genius. The ambient, experimental style reminds me of 60s and 70s BBC Radiophonic Workshop, especially Delia Derbyshire.

    • @letMeSayThatInIrish
      @letMeSayThatInIrish 6 років тому +9

      Also the breathing and heartbeat at the end is really well done.

    • @cleverhardy5230
      @cleverhardy5230 6 років тому

      letMeSayThatInIrish Indeed.

    • @zenithquasar9623
      @zenithquasar9623 5 років тому +2

      And the wolf howling haha!

  • @porcorosso81
    @porcorosso81 9 років тому +59

    You forgot to include the the rising notes at the *VERY* end of the song (which happens a longer time after his last heart beat). Scary stuff...

    • @RolfRBakke
      @RolfRBakke  9 років тому +27

      porcorosso81 I did not think they where part of the song.

    • @porcorosso81
      @porcorosso81 9 років тому +41

      +Rolf R Bakke
      Most people probably don't know they exist. But it seems Tim went all the way to show the process of dying musically. At least that's my interpretation... ;-)
      Great channel btw. If you take suggestions, then I would put up some tunes which try to make speech out of sync & ring modulation, like "007-Retro Gold Love" from Agemixer.

  • @Xion_Toshiro
    @Xion_Toshiro 7 років тому +29

    Suitably creepy,
    especially the "rain fall and static noise part" at the beginning, the "screams," the rythms,
    and that chime...
    The screams and chime sound just does me in
    I would never have guessed it was Ghouls and Ghosts, till checking the title, this could easily pass for an original song.
    (I'm letting this playlist run on auto play, so I missed the title LOL)
    As far as "Creepy Tunes" in SID Music goes, this 1 is already a favorite,
    GREAT JOB ON THIS 1
    BTW, is there an extended version? I hit replay for the 4th already, because, wow

    • @Xion_Toshiro
      @Xion_Toshiro 5 років тому +2

      Perfect for Halloween

    • @Bageltin
      @Bageltin 2 роки тому +1

      if you're on computer right click on the video to have it autoloop and if you're on mobile, theres an option for that below the vid quality options if you press the gear in the top right corner of the vid. you're gonna need it for this fuckin BANGER

    • @Xion_Toshiro
      @Xion_Toshiro 11 місяців тому +1

      INDEED!
      Thanks for the info!

  • @cursed_cats5710
    @cursed_cats5710 4 роки тому +8

    1: Get into development of some tie-in game or medium-quality game
    2: Make epic music for it
    3: Repeat

  • @thehearth8773
    @thehearth8773 7 років тому +15

    You might want to look into implementing some kind of trigger holdoff on your oscilloscope program--would make things like the strange waveform used around 0:35 look better in the scope view. Of course, this is a pretty old video, you might have done that already!
    The C64 was before my time, so I never really understood the appeal of it--but after watching some of these videos you've made, I've really come to appreciate how talented the composers for the games were. Being limited to three (plus one because of a glitch) channels and yet still making something that sounds like this is... quite amazing, to say the least. The audio on the Commodore 64 is well beyond that of the NES, which I'm more familiar with, despite the fact that it has a seemingly more limited capacity, with only three channels vs the NES's five (though they're not really comparable, because different waveforms and such... That's off topic though, really!). Whether that's a testament to the hardware design or the composers themselves, I couldn't say--I know that both seem to have been excellent.

  • @nikamota
    @nikamota 9 років тому +24

    Would love to see Tim's Spectrum 48k,5-channel simulation music on an Oscilliscope! I still cannot get my head around how Tim Follin was in a position to make a Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48k sound like it was playing a very low-bit sample,sounding like it would on a normal stereo but playing through the tiny ZX Spectrum mono speaker...but in real time...and he was only 15 I believe when he did it..in 1985!!
    Must have been a genius of a kid and he doesn't even realise it to this day!

    • @vuurniacsquarewave5091
      @vuurniacsquarewave5091 9 років тому +4

      +nikamota Even that 1-bit buzzer can make sampled sound... I suppose Pulse Width modulation was used as a "codec" or something similar that doesn't depend on volume levels.

  • @Xion_Toshiro
    @Xion_Toshiro 7 років тому +9

    This is your brain and heart rhythm...
    on SID Music

  • @banjofries
    @banjofries 4 роки тому +8

    This made my eyes widen.
    It's actually insane the level that this is on.

  • @theslowestpizza6762
    @theslowestpizza6762 5 років тому +7

    I can never seem to find the end of the vast amount of good music Tim Follin’s worked on, because holy crap this is good

  • @KingGoldMod
    @KingGoldMod 7 років тому +4

    Tim Follin could make primitive chip-tune based sounds sound like the CD era! Or at least the 16-bit era.

  • @Kyezoar
    @Kyezoar 5 років тому +6

    I need a loop of that C64 rain, so much immersion with earbuds on.

  • @cleverhardy5230
    @cleverhardy5230 6 років тому +4

    Reminds me a little of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Ambient and experimental, and yet musical.

  • @infinitecanadian
    @infinitecanadian 5 років тому +3

    What the fu...are those _sine waves?_

  • @verbicide4736
    @verbicide4736 8 років тому +6

    1:48 - The only other time I'd seen that wave in all three channels is in Martin Galway's Parallax...

    • @SendyTheEndless
      @SendyTheEndless 8 років тому +1

      It makes a great harpsichord here.

    • @verbicide4736
      @verbicide4736 8 років тому

      +Highway Guy I suppose also in your song "A world Crumbling Below Me".

  • @adamp9553
    @adamp9553 4 роки тому +4

    2:12 is where it starts to sound like an SNES or Genesis. Great soundtrack.

  • @georgemargaris
    @georgemargaris 8 років тому +5

    Thanks for uploading these, mr. Bakke. Can you visualize some of DRAX (thomas mogensen) work, please? After Tim Follin, he's one of my favorite C64 musicians.

    • @georgemargaris
      @georgemargaris 8 років тому +1

      and not many people seem to know about him.

  • @Plogue
    @Plogue 9 років тому +16

    The phase is inverted though

    • @ruby_R53
      @ruby_R53 Рік тому

      do y'know why?

    • @Plogue
      @Plogue Рік тому

      That's a question for the OP I guess. The combined waveforms are clearly upside down. Maybe it was an option of that tool they used?

    • @ruby_R53
      @ruby_R53 Рік тому

      @@Plogue not sure, but i know some oscilloscope programs do change the waveforms a bit for whatever reason. some tilt the waves, some might do the same phase inversion shown here... but it could also be due to the sid emulation implemented, which's a bit unlikely.

  • @timo7968
    @timo7968 9 років тому +7

    These videos are great! The only thing that would great is a pale grey 'zero line' for each waveform... so we can see if there's any DC offset in the waveforms. ;)

    • @RolfRBakke
      @RolfRBakke  9 років тому +6

      Timothy Wright The DC offset is removed by the high pass filter right at the output of the SID.

    • @tardistardis8
      @tardistardis8 7 років тому +1

      There is something on the waveforms that looks like DC offset.

  • @quadpad_music
    @quadpad_music 6 років тому +4

    THIS WAS MADE BY A MORTAL.
    *Mind explodes*

  • @ninjacat230
    @ninjacat230 5 років тому +4

    Is. That supposed to be howling or screams?

    • @zenithquasar9623
      @zenithquasar9623 5 років тому

      I think like wolf/werewolf howling (never played the game to be sure though).

    • @none561
      @none561 4 роки тому +4

      I think 0:47 is a woman screaming, and 1:23 is wolf howl. They're both eerily realistic, which I think makes it the creepiest part.

  • @retroboyo4238
    @retroboyo4238 5 років тому +2

    Not Gonna Lie... I actually got paranoid and scared from the beginning... this is some creepy music... good job Tim Follin

  • @mikemills7115
    @mikemills7115 9 років тому +4

    This is nothing short of epic! This is possibly the best tune from the c64 in my honest opinion!!!!! Great!

  • @lekanraposte6732
    @lekanraposte6732 Рік тому

    Today's computers are so powerful, no one bother pushing the chips to their limits like they did in the 8 and 16 bits Era.

  • @Noone-of-your-Business
    @Noone-of-your-Business 4 місяці тому

    So the visualization is your own code? I would love to have this as a VST plugin.

  • @brettwyatt7165
    @brettwyatt7165 5 років тому +2

    At 2:12 it really kicks, absolutely brilliant I love your channel

  • @RRM_Personal
    @RRM_Personal 3 роки тому +1

    I love the rapidly inverting sawtooths under the "classical" section that are almost certainly made to sound like distant screaming. Every little detail is amazing.

  • @piotrdomanski5610
    @piotrdomanski5610 4 роки тому +1

    It started to boggle me at 0:16. I had no idea SID could produce a clear sine wave.

    • @fghsgh
      @fghsgh 4 роки тому +1

      it can, by filtering a triangle wave

  • @dr.dandyphd4968
    @dr.dandyphd4968 Рік тому

    Im boutta put some J dilla drums over that second half and make a rap instrumental brb

  • @mr.j3rs3y
    @mr.j3rs3y 6 місяців тому

    I really hope this gets a remix some day, it’s a really fun title theme!

  • @marioalexanderski9598
    @marioalexanderski9598 2 роки тому

    SID is capable of very basic FM synthesis?

  • @jmp01a24
    @jmp01a24 9 років тому +15

    OMG you've done this one too :D Great!
    This tune is so well crafted - to me it proves that the SID chip has the potential to do anything and everything. Try this on any other 80's computer and it would not be possible - unless one sampled it (which is a completely different).
    I'm sure that if someone had played this back in 1983 people would gone insane & called it Voodoo / Black Magic / Satanism or something to that effect - surely the people in power would then have rounded up EVERYONE that were remotely related to 1) either the construction or 2) the playing of this song - tied both 1) and 2) to a long wooden pole - after that demanded that lot's of dried branches would be placed put all around the pole, up to over the feet of the accused, finally when all this had been done they would lit the whole thing up - and also felt good about themselves afterwards.
    The sounds are that good:
    Goodness has a tendency to attract those whom fear and dislikes what is different. Those are the real devils IMO.

  • @tsobf242
    @tsobf242 3 роки тому

    mooom the commodore's playing baroque again

  • @none561
    @none561 7 років тому +6

    i like to think that the quiet triangle waves at 1:24 are distant wolf howls. genius stuff.

  • @Mattteus
    @Mattteus 6 років тому +1

    fucking GENIUS!!!

    • @zenithquasar9623
      @zenithquasar9623 5 років тому

      It so is and like waaay ahead of its time too!

  • @ConnorR.mp3
    @ConnorR.mp3 7 років тому +4

    0:47 What is happening with channel 1?

    • @RolfRBakke
      @RolfRBakke  7 років тому +3

      Triangle ring-modulated by channel 3.

    • @ConnorR.mp3
      @ConnorR.mp3 7 років тому +1

      What is happening with channel 3?

    • @TheBeeshSpweesh
      @TheBeeshSpweesh 7 років тому +2

      Ring-modulated triangle wave modulating channel 1's frequency.

    • @ConnorR.mp3
      @ConnorR.mp3 7 років тому +1

      ok

  • @cloerenjackson3699
    @cloerenjackson3699 9 років тому +2

    I can't work out what he's doing with the SID here. Those are not standard SID waveforms. Any clues?

    • @vuurniacsquarewave5091
      @vuurniacsquarewave5091 9 років тому +1

      Cloeren Jackson The second voice with the "sine" looking wave is a Triangle with low-pass filtering, so the wave distorts to a sine-wave for a set of frequencies. The low-pass filtering is also used with the noise to make wind sounds.
      At 1:47 where all the 3 voices are making the same unusual wave is actually perfectly normal for the SID. The Triangle and Pulse waves are both selected and the circuitry mixes the two like that. After that, the bass is made with a low-pass filtered pulse wave.
      At 0:48 that's either the Hard sync feature forcing the wave phase of one channel to the other's, or actually Ring modulation.

    • @cloerenjackson3699
      @cloerenjackson3699 9 років тому

      za909returns
      Awesome! Thanks, most helpful! :-)

    • @sikor02
      @sikor02 8 років тому

      +za909returns "At 1:47 where all the 3 voices are making the same unusual wave is actually perfectly normal for the SID. The Triangle and Pulse waves are both selected and the circuitry mixes the two like that" How it is done? Is it some kind of sync modulation or something?

    • @vuurniacsquarewave5091
      @vuurniacsquarewave5091 8 років тому

      sikor02
      No, simply all channels have a register where you can enable or disable a certain waveform for the channel. And this waveform is what happens to come out when both triangle and pulse are activated (when their respective bit in the register is 1)
      But the thing is, other combination waves don't produce anything usable, just very thin buzzing. Also you can't combine anything else with the noise wave.

    • @T3KNUG3T5
      @T3KNUG3T5 8 років тому +1

      +za909returns ITS TIM FOLLIN. Dont question it

  • @takifpunkt4366
    @takifpunkt4366 5 років тому +1

    This tune is unbelievable..how did he do that????

  • @Horzuhammer
    @Horzuhammer 8 років тому +1

    This has replaced Martin Galway's Wizball theme as my "ultimate SID-tune."

    • @jimbobann3700
      @jimbobann3700 7 років тому

      Horzuhammer hard to call on which is best both awesome!

  • @notme437
    @notme437 Місяць тому

    genuinely peak early game music

  • @Pianist203
    @Pianist203 6 років тому

    Imo this might be most genius way to use sid-chip, ever, and one of my personal favorite sid-tunes ever. Really incredible haunting atmosphere and all those sound elements. Rain, storm, church bells, harpsicord, screaming, organ, wolf howling... breathing, heart-beats... This is piece of art.

  • @VectorLog
    @VectorLog 2 роки тому

    i think people stopped hiring tim follin for music after everyone realized his music was taking up 95% of the CPU's runtime

  • @SCPH7503
    @SCPH7503 8 років тому

    2:45 just went full-on Colony of Slippermen. I fucking love this dude.

  • @Plasmariel
    @Plasmariel 3 роки тому

    Awesome rip, but you forgot the little reversed waves that play around 1 minute after the music stops

  • @SettimaLegione
    @SettimaLegione 6 років тому

    I have problems in believing this track from C64. The 8 bit commodore wasn't so cristal clear in sounds...

  • @dnb5661
    @dnb5661 7 років тому +1

    I never knew the sid chip could produce sine waves!

    • @user-ql2re2es9y
      @user-ql2re2es9y 4 роки тому

      You know how to produce sine, is that you low-pass filter a triangle.

  • @littlelamp100
    @littlelamp100 7 років тому

    really fun to watch the triangle waves at 2:07 :o

  • @jimmymimpson8499
    @jimmymimpson8499 9 років тому +1

    love to see Follin's 1st level music to Bionic Commando

  • @Crazy_Borg
    @Crazy_Borg 9 років тому

    The most disturbing piece of SID music I ever heard. I love it.
    Any chance we will see any amstrad cpc tunes displayed on oscilloscope in the future as well?

  • @sailorsun1899
    @sailorsun1899 2 роки тому

    ok but why does it go off so hard at 1:33 tho? This is a straight up BOP!

  • @ConnorR.mp3
    @ConnorR.mp3 7 років тому +1

    That bit at the end is spooky.

  • @bowmanencore
    @bowmanencore 3 роки тому

    Reminds me of "One" by Metallica. Awesome tune here.

  • @ExtremeWreck
    @ExtremeWreck 4 роки тому

    You should've let the end go on for about 20 entire minutes lol.

  • @SelfIndulgentGamer
    @SelfIndulgentGamer 7 років тому

    One of my all time favourite computer tunes ever. Brilliant in every conceivable way :)

  • @Shockszzbyyous
    @Shockszzbyyous 6 років тому

    those little canyons playing the melody. i really like the sound. I wonder how they were created.

  • @antivanti
    @antivanti 9 років тому

    Wow. This one is just great. Having the channels separated like this really gives you an insight into the crafting =)

  • @peterdebie8300
    @peterdebie8300 7 років тому +1

    Some groovy waveforms there

  • @misterkuda704
    @misterkuda704 3 роки тому

    The SID chip has become a 24 bit sound chip.

  • @ezandman6804
    @ezandman6804 7 років тому

    Oi, the oscilloscope goes pretty bizar on this one...... :-)

  • @theslowestpizza6762
    @theslowestpizza6762 5 років тому

    This has become the optimal way to listen to C64 songs forever

  • @zenithquasar9623
    @zenithquasar9623 5 років тому +1

    THIS. IS. AMAZING!

  • @AlexDemaree777ShreddDredd
    @AlexDemaree777ShreddDredd Рік тому

    Should be a Djent track

  • @fghsgh
    @fghsgh 4 роки тому

    How exactly can I replicate that wave at 1:48?

  • @WLDFLD
    @WLDFLD 2 роки тому

    are there any recommendations of other good c64 for fans of this one?

  • @clarius1973
    @clarius1973 8 років тому +1

    What are the strange, "creepy" looking resonant harsh waves at 1:50 ? I remember that sound in the sid (had a C64 years and years ago... ) but it is not a standard analog waveshape and it is not mentioned in the SID descriptions (they are all about the same standard waves, triangle, square/pulse, saw, pseudo-noise).

    • @RolfRBakke
      @RolfRBakke  8 років тому +2

      It is a unintended result of turning on both triangle and square wave.

    • @claudioricci431
      @claudioricci431 8 років тому

      Ah ok thanks! Something like a logical AND.

    • @RolfRBakke
      @RolfRBakke  8 років тому +1

      No, not AND or other logical function. It is a complex interaction between the waveform bits in the waveform selector circuit when the DAC is driven from two outputs.

    • @clarius1973
      @clarius1973 8 років тому +2

      Thanks. The sound of this wave is weird and very rich in odd harmonics (but pleasing), harpsychord-like. Never heard in any other analog synth (and unknown also in digital ones).

    • @vuurniacsquarewave5091
      @vuurniacsquarewave5091 7 років тому

      This is how the AY chip mixes noise into a Square wave output.

  • @TheSuperPlayer707
    @TheSuperPlayer707 4 роки тому

    1:33 Those looks exactly like the YM2612 bass! (0o0)!

  • @Commodore64SoundtrackCover
    @Commodore64SoundtrackCover 7 років тому

    this is fantastic!!!!

  • @mattsephton
    @mattsephton 7 років тому

    Astonishing

  • @EndreBarathArt
    @EndreBarathArt 9 років тому

    wow good video :)

  • @GodOfMacro
    @GodOfMacro 8 років тому

    so cool

  • @danielepizzuele7083
    @danielepizzuele7083 5 років тому

    delay on Theremin....

  • @luislizano7025
    @luislizano7025 6 років тому

    So progressive.

  • @kke
    @kke 4 роки тому

    0:20 that's a nice looking sinewave from a chip that only has sawtooth and triangle.

    • @ZILtoid1991
      @ZILtoid1991 4 роки тому

      It's done through filtering.

    • @kke
      @kke 4 роки тому

      @@ZILtoid1991 Yes and it's awesome :)

    • @user-ql2re2es9y
      @user-ql2re2es9y 4 роки тому

      You can also filter pulse wave to create bass or organs.

  • @battmann7089
    @battmann7089 6 років тому

    Awesome tune.

  • @Kaiveran
    @Kaiveran 6 років тому

    Trance, before trance.

    • @Kaiveran
      @Kaiveran 6 років тому

      And trap before trap at 2:44

  • @luislizano7025
    @luislizano7025 6 років тому

    Is this 8-bit?

    • @ruby_R53
      @ruby_R53 Рік тому

      "8-bit" is really ambiguous in the way you wrote. are you referring to the audio of the chip?

  • @setsers1
    @setsers1 7 років тому +1

    Holy Crap 😨😱

  • @lokiblaster2354
    @lokiblaster2354 4 роки тому

    No one
    middle wave
    TRIANGLE