2020 be like: Global pandemic, car industry on its knees, unemployment shoots up, 70% of workers at home. JayEmm: Buy a McLaren 12C! What could possibly go wrong...
Hmm. Loved the video. Not quite sure I agree. Buying one of these will cost you far more with extended warranty and hassle involved. And at this price point the wrong people might be tempted to buy one. (If that makes sense) A newer 570s or 720s might be a better choice. Given there current financial issues however, buying any right now might not be a good idea at all.
IF I lived in GB, particularly if I lived near the McLaren factory or the independent McLaren mechanic you featured in one of your videos, I’d consider a McLaren. Living on the other side of the pond, however, there is no way I’d touch a McLaren. There are simply too many problems that can arise with the cars, and too few places other than a McLaren dealer where such issues can be addressed. In a similar vein, I’d buy the second generation NSX here in the US, but not in GB or most other places. There are more Honda/Acura dealers than McLaren dealers, but many repairs to the NSX would require returning it to the factory because so much of its production process is unique.
Living in the US as well I'd be very reluctant to purchase a McLaren for the same reasons you cite. Taking a flyer on a Lotus Evora or a Morgan would feel tame by comparison if I wanted British quirky. Picking one of Porsche's GT cars or a Turbo S for the same money seems imminently a better choice for something "practical."
As he said at the start he's seperating the car from the manufacturer experience, as a car it's great for the money, he even went to the trouble of directing you to a reputable mclaren specialist which is cheaper and more professional to deal with, pays to listen when your watching a video, but you can't educate pork can you 👍🏼
You smashed it, JayEmm, your content is just getting better and better. It really cuts through the competition and shines for having your own USP. Also, your advice videos (oldest and newest ones) plus live edits for budding Car UA-camrs has been invaluable, thank you, sir. Final arse lick, everyone thinks speaking on camera fluently in an articulate manner will be a doddle. Until they try it haha. Newfound respect there too. Keep it up
As much as I agree with your assessment, i'm struggling to square this with your previous video detailing the impending destruction of the company. Unlike MG Rover, the parts side of McLaren isn't a separate company and won't function without the car company. All that aside, I would dearly love to be in a position to own ANY of thier cars, from the first F1 to the latest Speedtail and everything in between.
A valid concern but I do know of quite a few parts which are not McLaren specific that might surprise you - eg. Turbo. Complex things like the gearbox can also be repaired by third parties like Thorney, who remade parts when they couldnt buy them. The biggest concern is usually body panels - those are quite difficult to replicate cheaply
James that was a breath of fresh air my friend. people get on the band wagon of slating Mclaren, everyone’s entitled to an opinion but that doesn’t make it factual, they think Ferrari’s are cheap to run really ! and unless your hacking round the Nurburgring who wants a 911 with its gold Rolex and Filofax appeal. Yes Mclaren is the Apple of the super car world and yes it has dodgy hose clips but as John Thorne will confirm, overall it’s an amazing car. It’s a future classic for the discerning super car owner. To that end I have a deposit on a 12C Spider, Tom at Thorney is inspecting next week for the warranty purchase and the dealer is covering that, I guess the proof and the facts will be in the proverbial pudding......
@@itsonlywebby9543 I certainly will update my experience, I have nothing to gain in reporting a good or bad outcome, it will just be how I find it and non sensationalised either way
@@mich5528 I’m a biker at heart and like the fresh air and direct connection with the outside. I also like the retractable ‘hard’ top as you keep a similar profile and lines to the coupe. I think most fabric tops look a bit hairdressery, no offence to hairdressers !
I actually prefer the looks of the 12C to the newer models. Less plastic toy styling. That said the McLaren's biggest cause for depreciation is due to the multitude of horror stories around poor reliability and insanely high repair costs.
Aren't McLaren on the verge of going tits up? Those already expensive parts for notoriously unreliable cars will become like gold plated diamonds if they do
You are correct. Watch JayEmm's other videos about what's wrong with McLaren you'll see that this video here must have been made by his evil twin brother.
@@rico4you Completely agree, Rico. I spent many hours out of my life listening, thinking, and supporting JayEmm about how awful McLaren is. Now he did an about face. I've lost respect.
@@davidhunternyc1 exactly David! credibility zilch, zero, nada! How can you utterly recommend a product that have previously spent so much effort making a stance against it! nonsense!
@@rico4you If McLaren Manchester treated me with contempt and on top of it, Zak Brown, the CEO of McLaren with a net worth of $150 million, treated me like a gnat I would've made it my mission to expose McLaren for what they are. McLaren doesn't care. They are yachting in Monaco, smoking cigars, and having a laugh at JayEmm and all the other "influencer" guppies. On top of it, have you seen the McLaren Elva with that ridiculous pop-up deflector in the front? The Italians are having a field day. McLaren needs to implode. Zak Brown needs to be fired along with his uppity cohorts. It's a shame. McLaren employs 3,600 people and I'm sure that most of them work hard and deserve a job but, in the end, the fish stinks from the head. I'm hoping Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Aston Martin, and even Koenigsegg can poach the best and brightest from McLaren. Even better, let's hope there is an insurgency from within McLaren. Bad behavior never deserves to be rewarded.
No one else is doing this type of content as well. It's pitched perfectly at car people, without stupid faces and lifestyle shite thrown in for clicks. Real content by a real car guy. I don't need fancy tracking shots and slides just insight from someone who is genuinely interested in cars and not the personal profile.
The 12C was a much better can on paper at least than the 458 so glad to see it's getting some appreciation. I'd go so far as saying it was a game changer with the technology it brought at the time!
Thanks for bringing this kind of review and opinions to your videos. This car has been heaven for me since 3 years. I’ve owned several 911, Vantage v12 and M3 and they were good but boring compared to this: carbon tub, speed break, supercar doors, the acceleration to 200km/h in 9secs and the roof retracts in 18 secs! As a spider, sensations are even more intense. It does get a lot of attention over here in BE, NL and DE and 99% positive, except for one close neighbour after a cold start. It has the sport exhaust... after 20000 miles, I do recommend owning one, of course with an experienced dealer not too far away, which is required for any car of this level of performance and price anyway.
I don’t believe it but I agree 100% with EVERYTHING said in this video regarding McLaren. I used my 12c everyday. I sold it because warranty and servicing was £6.5k per year. 12 months later I’m looking at them again because £ for £ they are the best value supercars for sale.
Nice video. really agree with the comments. like all classics, they go through a process. The world (and UK) is in a finance mess. There will be good deals, and its keeping those cars for the long term, that will be key. Upclose they look amazing, but agree they dont photograph well.
The closest that I will ever come to driving a McLaren is on a games console....... but there is no harm in having dreams or a wishlist. I do enjoy your reviews JM and you did point out that running costs are severe....... Great content 👍.
I have 570 spider- it’s been faultless in over year of driving 3800 miles. Simply the BEST performance car I’ve owned including Aston, Lotus, Porsche and Ferrari. Only get positive nods and smiles on the road, fill ups and parking: only weird moment so far was when I was literally followed up 10 ramps by Mazda MX5 and to the furthest parking space... then 2 hot girls got out and were all over me . Great 😝 except my wife sat in passenger seat was totally unimpressed 🙄. If I were in market now, I’d get 540c and add Thorney stage 1 remap to gain another 100bhp.
Alexander Ahari 🥱... no, what is incredible is that so many of you people haven’t got the wherewithal to make intelligent comments and solely seem only interested in slagging off a car manufacturer with childish comments like “ McLaren are shite, I’ll so stick with my Ford Fiesta ST” ... after apparently wasting 15 mins of your lives watching a buyers guide for feckin McLarens 🤪. I’m old enough to have suffered crap build quality with Porsche IMS, shoddy Maserati, Lamborghini and Ferrari mechanicals , paintwork and interior trim issues with Aston and recently ripped off via whole-scale fraud by VW diesel gate... but, no, let’s collectively forget all that and pop off to Halfords for some even bigger subwoofers and aftermarket fury dice 🧐
Hoovies, hearing about astronomical spares and not being able to go on the track, that was hoovie, I get the idea that mcclaren are a little bit arrogant. They just don’t do any for me. I will pass them over for something else. More reliable.
However... if you discount the low (& getting lower!) prices due to depreciation and the excellent performance, the decidedly questionable prospects of McLaren servicing, the equally depressing availability and supply of both parts and information, combined with the lengths to which user servicing has been designed OUT of the equation... I cannot think of anything more dubious apart from Russian Roulette!!! IF you're overflowing with disposable income then, fine, you may get away with having a McLaren as a disposable car. IF you want a Supercar on the cheap, a McLaren is still the least complicated road to bankruptcy! To summarise, working on them is likely a nightmare (especially repair compared to servicing) and parts,if available, cost a fortune! Oh wow! ONE recommended independent?? Are you a gambling man, James? You don't look like one...
I guess an Response to your comment would be: It's not what you know but *_who_* you know? With the right contacts or knowing the right people with knowledge of McLarens it may just be possible to own one. And as James said the 12c is old enough to have alot of the bugs ironed out. It's a super car so one doesn't go into purchasing a McLaren like they would a vauxhall or ford?
This may be solid advice in the UK, but I am concerned that the service network in the US isn't quite there yet. Too many 12Cs I've seen here have service histories where the expenses are half the original value of the cars. I would also say that 570S is probably the best buy of the bunch if you are getting a McLaren because it lacks the hydraulic suspension of the higher-end cars. I think the more conventional suspension will be less of a source of headaches in the longer term on an older car.
But the traditional suspension sucks big time. I‘d not touch a 540/570, needs suspension replacement and better aero. 12C is the better buy, running costs aside.
Love this. Made me want one! I do prefer the front of the 650s, but feel it's rear isn't cohesive... Needing customisation with a 675LT inspired rear grille and exhaust... Whereas the 12-C has a cohesive design front to rear. If only there was more economic certainty, I'd go for it!
Interesting view....great video...price point is brilliant but even with Thorney in the mix ....the cars cost a prohibitive sum to be driving for an ordinary person....the same ones who can run a 911 very well and often without warranty...
I would avoid the 12c at all costs regardless of the price. I work as a professional driver coach aside from my normal day job so I’ve had first hand experience. I can confirm the 12c is a fantastic driving car, driving it years back when they were new. However from my experience the car sat more in the paddock because of electronic issues forcing the car into limp mode. The owner told me he took it multiple times to the dealership to get fixed and they never properly fixed it. Whenever the car was pushed on track something would break or malfunction. I’m sure it wouldn’t be a problem for a spirited mountain run, but on track we are properly pushing the cars, and the 12c couldn’t handle it. At least the one I was coaching and driving in. I would hope not all of them would have the same issues.
Not my experience, multiple track days driven hard and never an issue. Almost every trackday from McLaren's own and others they have been bullet proof.
Good vid...all the negative comments are great indicators that now is a good time to buy - you've got to go against the flow - take the opportunity the the herds dont see 👍 It snot going to be a cheap experience though - super cars aint cheap
Great coverage of these future classics. One of the most interesting things I see in current classic cars. Are those with in period modifications race cars, rare cars, and those with famous owners. I think a lot of future classics will miss out on being those period modified race cars. I was looking at goodwood racing this last few years and last year they did that big mini race with 60 FIA K class cars. People were massively amazed to see 60 classic cooper S's on the grid. I was too. But less than a year later the market is a wash with FIA K class 60's cooper s race cars. It has disappointed me to see that many wealthy owners had clearly just bought their car for that race, and then unlovingly just thrown it back on the market once it was done.
Mclaren have had their issues and no doubt they still do at present. In South Africa we have 2 dealers and the cheapest 12c for sale is around £90k. Would I be tempted by one? I would possibly look at a Spyder in Volcano red as it's my favorite color on a Mclaren. My second choice would be a 570 Spyder but in blue.
Really insightful video Jay. Cant emphasize enough how correct you are that you do not get a hard time driving around town. In a Ferrari or even some of the modern more exotic looking McLaren's, people will give you some grief. Not in the 12C, and as a purchaser who didn't want a lot of attention, this is a much better choice (not saying you won't get attention, but for whatever reason a lot less negative attention as you said). I tend to meet two new people every time I drive the car. They want to know more about it, sit in it and check it out (before all of the current social distancing). My one recommendation to people is to buy from a McLaren dealer with a CPO. It will cost you easily $20k more, but you'll get that car that was taken care of, wasn't modified, and went through all of the software and other upgrades (and qualifies for the warranty instantly - those upgrades btw easily surpass the price difference). I haven't had any major issues with my car and it has been a pleasure so far. I encourage more people to go look into them now. Needless to say there are incredibly fast and as mentioned in a previous video's comment, turned a 1:30.67 at Laguna in a stock one with modern street tires. Pretty insane really when you think about it. Two reasons now is a good time. 1) you mentioned that the owners who had the current cars took care of them and were meticulous with them. Agreed. Definitely still lot's of good cars, even in better shape than when new. They basically ironed the bugs out for you. 2) The extended warranty only goes for 12 years and so some of the older versions' clocks are ticking for extended warranty options (if they do not have a local person like it seems is by yourself). One thing to watch out for...Mclaren's from non-McLaren dealerships...modded or previously modded 12C's...non-CPO cars. Not worth risking any of that on this type of car. Oh and you'll probably want to make sure you have a McLaren dealership by you if you're going with the warranty! As always enjoying your vids keep it up man!!!
I might be tempted if I was in the UK where there's a reasonably priced independent shop to maintain it and the factory is relatively close if it eats a transmission. But in North America with inflated dealer service and parts prices? No way. It's just a money pit.
Brian Kearn I can testify to that, faster than any roadlegal 911 (except 2RS) on a fast track. However some 911 GT3 or Nissan GTR owners can get mean as they are not used to being taken over at high speed... careful ;)
thanks for the opinion, sure it will stir up some confusion despite your idea that the two positions are separate - company vs car. Your proposition holds water but I think the reality is it depends on where you live and how accessible the rare specialists are
The MP4-12C is the launch model whilst it was renamed 12C when they switched out from slide door opening mechanism to the push button. There were less then 500 RHD MP4-12Cs built with majority being LHD... thus the RHD will appreciate as a classic over time .... I have one and it’s a keeper ...
Trouble is 540/570s are in the 80,s which is crazy. 2 are in the low 70,s, 12c are a little under. Could we see 12c in the 50/60,s soon, Likely. They havent been selling for sometime
Honestly James it feels like you’re reading my mind! Question for me is what happens when the 570s drops below the 12C which could happen, I think the 12C will age much better and be a modern classic in 10 years. 570s won’t.
These were the days when McLaren's looked right as soon as they released. Since then with all the new models after they released the sports series; their looks have had to grow on me.
@@henryhol8538 But good drivers car don't depreciate after a certain point, which the 570 is definitly more, than a 12c. You look at old lotuses. They tend to hold their price at a certain point
Current daily drive is a Cayman but recently been looking at older Ferrari's mainly a 308 GTB as an investment but still haven't made that happen yet. Was very close at one point but then the Mrs reminded me we are building a house but it will come hopefully soon. What's your views on the 308 GTB ? Must admit I'd pick a 458 against a 12c any day but between a R8 & 12c I'm not sure. I've drove a few R8s but not the 12c. Warranty. Repair costs and build quality would put me off the McLaren
@@JayEmmOnCars 308s are great to drive Jay. I had a GTB years ago when I lived in Marbella. Was black and sounded amazing. Before that I had a 308gt4 which was my first Ferrari which I have to admit was a nightmare looking back but was a dream at the time being a mad head 21 year old. Also had a 348 TS and a new 355 which I've never had anything better since. As you can see theres a pattern here with Farrari ownership lol
I’ve owned 308 GTS qv, 348 ts and 360 F1. In today’s market the 308 will hold value most me thinks but in all honesty is bloody old in driving dynamics and performance. It it however so classically proportioned (328 arguably better). The wife has a Boxster so anything pre 2000 from Modena after the Cayman will feel loose and dated chap. 355 still pick of the bunch but crazy prices really for 25 year old car and 30+ year body design. Don’t forget the Bertone 308GT4 from 1975 but do forget the Mondial.. F430 the one to watch also... 🙂 Audi R8 is sensible choice and you won’t be disappointed
A full Borla exhaust with headers for a 2019 Mustang will run about $4000-4500 installed. A warranty on the McLaren will run around $4500-5000 a year. $4500 is $4500 no matter who you give it to. Viewed through that lens the McLaren becomes more compelling.
Interesting yet potentially controversial, there is well considered sense to be seen in this commentary, I hope you are ready for incoming via the comments section !
Yes, the incoming comments are quite amusing. Lot of people not understanding that nobody is obliged to take my advice, and I think I'm fairly balanced about the cars
James... can’t say I’m warming to your new title sequence chap... all very late 1980’s Top of the Pops with getto blasters , shocking pink and neon yellow palette... unless of course, that’s the theme you were aiming to achieve 🤔
Rhowhat, he did buy a dog. Didn’t help that he was so far from a McLaren dealer. I wonder if they have any equivalents of Thorney (other than the Wizard) as independent specialists to keep them running at reasonable cost. Also all the expensive replacement parts had to be shipped from here over to the US. That doesn’t help with turnaround times.
@@WeirdBrick Even if it was the cheapest, it also had 10s of thousands spent on it before Hoovie got his hands on it. These cars have multiple grenades waiting to go off at any time. Stay well away. I understand the temptation of a car like this for 40-50k but the risks just aren't worth it.
@@sparky4878 Rob Ferreti also had some serious issues around the cost of parts. I agree that Hoovie bought the cheapest one which is always a bad idea, it was more the restrictions he had with the warranty and how long he could keep the warranty. I hadn't heard of the much cheaper warranties James talks about, they are more encouraging. He is absolutely right saying this is the time to buy one before the third owner syndrome hits them.
He's got a point though. A 2016 BMW 750ix had an MSRP of $97,000. There is one on CarMax for $31,000. That's $66,000 in depreciation in 4 years or around $16,000 per year. There will be some depreciation with a McLaren but it will be worth a whole lot more than $30,000. With a warranty McLaren running costs won't be $16,000 a year.
If I sold all my cars, perhaps. But given the apparently compulsory warranty alone costs more than tax, insurance, service and running costs across all my cars it doesn’t make sense. Even the Thorney Sport package, and they’re 130 miles from me. Not exactly like having a good independent just around the corner. Plus I like the choice of different cars not just one. Do like the 12C though. The original. All McLarens after seem to be a variation on the recipe with different states of tune.
There was one advertised on several UK sites for 52,995 if memory serves, and the owner appeared on a FB group to say he actually wound up paying £48k for it
I don’t get his one, of all the mclarens you choose the crappest one to own. Look if you want to buy a mclaren you go and buy a 540 or 570. They look modern, are as quick as the rest in real world terms. 12c vs 570, no comparison and both the same money
The Trackday/Touristenfahrten running costs are still high compared to Porsche for example. - Mostly I look for those costs when going for a weekend car. I want to run it as much as possible with less pain in the pocket as possible. - Seen some friends of mine with 570 McLarens I would feel a bit anxious about the pocket money I can run my hobby off. Nevertheless great cars and would like to drive, when money would be a lesser focus during the season.
UA-cam world: buy a McLaren because it's affordable and nicer looking than a 458. Real world: if I buy groceries, pay rent, and make my car payment this month, I'll be solid!
Cost of maintenance will destroy the average bargain buyer.Parts cost alone will be a nightmare.If burning $10k cash in a bucket makes you upset ,you can’t afford this car .
@Commendatore This video wasn't aimed at those types though. For enormous sections of the global man and woman in the street the next year is going to see significant unemployment or job insecurity - hardly a prime time to lumber yourself with a money pit like a supercar is it?
@@JayEmmOnCars now at the moment J, sure if things were stable in the world. But how many can and would want to take such a risk based upon their situation being the same in 6 months or a year? A lot can and doubtless will change for millions around the world in the short term before economic good times or just basic stability is restored.
@@animalcol1 no problem, adults can make there own decisions - good or bad. But this video is about less than rich folk taking advantage of an opportunity to get a supercar at a time of falling prices. But most people will only be able to do that on finance or emptying piggybank. You think now is the right time to take that risk? Just as we are about to head into a recession somewhere in severity between the 2008/09 crash and the great depression! Really? Unless you are really sure of job security anyone who is not wealthy already would be mad to take on a supercar cost and associated overheads right now.
I'm also one of the people that prefer the 650S looks to the 12C. 12C prices on autotrader start at £67k now and 650S are £90k, not sure if they've already started going up in value. For me, I don't really like its exhaust noise and would be concerned about its servicing, things going wrong etc, the Thorney information was very useful for the latter. Personally I'm still looking at a R8 V10 Plus Manual or an F Type SVR on PCP/Lease if the price keeps dropping as fast as it has.
I should wait a few months to see what developments are coming our way. I suspect McLaren and Aston Martin will be the brands most likely to face bankruptcy in the next 12 months, so buyers beware!
If McLaren goes bankrupt prices for their cars will either crash or rocket as they'll be the last of the line /production. With no more being made they should, in theory, become collectors items or classics?
Specific Porsche GT-car parts kick up the bills by 3-5x over “regular” parts I’m using in my regular Turbo...I couldn’t imagine everything being “GT prices” like these
12C better looking than the 458?? This guy is off his rocker. McLarens are surely faster than most other cars but I think they all look the same. The 720S was an improvement, and its speed is off the charts, but they seem to have a lot of problems.
Perks of domesticated cars, these are so cheap in the UK since they’re from there. Here in the US the 12c is $90-100k for a decent example while the 570 and 650s are still $130k-150k.
Harrison, had a nosey on Autotrader here in the UK. Looking around £70k for the cheap ones which is about $90k ish. Works the other way too. Some of your lovely classic muscle cars have a hefty premium here.
Writing this before I have even watched your video. Your reading my mind! Great minds think alike!!! Your the only UA-camr (apart from Monkey & Shmee) that I think actually noes anything about cars in the traditional sence (!!) Dave from DDE has been driving a modified 12C in the USA & Canada for quite a while. He has probably driven more miles in one, I would say than 75 to 85+% of owners. He has had no major issues at all! These guys beat on there cars relentlessly. They are not garage queens. Anyway, time to watch your offering.
Top Notch Signs & Graphics neither are particularly good looking. I can say I like the 12c much, but the 358 is not a good looking car. The F360 and F430 are much better looking cars.
I think they have more to go depreciation wise at least in the U.S. market for one C obvious 8 reason. Probably different in other markets. That said, even if I could buy one for $70,000usd, I wouldn't because out of warranty it might cost that again to repair a transmission failure or procure the trick suspension components if those went. That also might not happen, but like many folks, I can't afford to roll those dice.
It's going to be a good time to buy any expensive car: the bubble will burst (to an extent), so they'll be much more affordable, and then prices will eventually go back up.
*FUCK....NO!!!!!! you should Not* buy a Moneypit McLaren as we enter the biggest Depression...in modern history. If you're debt free and still have a job in 12 months, Get a used Lotus with a Toyota engine.
If I wanted an expensive nightmare I would just get married....
Very good Richard. Wise words.
A belter. BELTER!
I've been lucky in that regard, but statistically you may as well go find someone attractive, who you don't really like, and buy them a house.
2020 be like: Global pandemic, car industry on its knees, unemployment shoots up, 70% of workers at home.
JayEmm: Buy a McLaren 12C!
What could possibly go wrong...
As Warren says - when other are frightened be bold :D
Personally, I have a barge pole which is conspicuously McLaren free... :D
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70%??? We have less than 4% of the workforce off.
People who can afford a McLaren don't care about any of this.
@@LeytonC Wouldn't it be great to be in a position to be "bold". Unfortunately for most, they're not in a position to.
Hmm. Loved the video. Not quite sure I agree. Buying one of these will cost you far more with extended warranty and hassle involved. And at this price point the wrong people might be tempted to buy one. (If that makes sense)
A newer 570s or 720s might be a better choice. Given there current financial issues however, buying any right now might not be a good idea at all.
Opinions vary wildly but I always got the impression the 720 was far more hassle than a late 12C or a 650
Plus there is a large price difference between a 12C and 720. Also 570 is a Sport Series so not the same level.
A 720 went for 125k the other day at auction. There’s been some crazy prices recently. The 720 that sold was 280 brand new.
simon d 125k in what currency?
@@BIGWEBB88 gbp. 130k with buyers fee
IF I lived in GB, particularly if I lived near the McLaren factory or the independent McLaren mechanic you featured in one of your videos, I’d consider a McLaren. Living on the other side of the pond, however, there is no way I’d touch a McLaren. There are simply too many problems that can arise with the cars, and too few places other than a McLaren dealer where such issues can be addressed. In a similar vein, I’d buy the second generation NSX here in the US, but not in GB or most other places. There are more Honda/Acura dealers than McLaren dealers, but many repairs to the NSX would require returning it to the factory because so much of its production process is unique.
Living in the US as well I'd be very reluctant to purchase a McLaren for the same reasons you cite. Taking a flyer on a Lotus Evora or a Morgan would feel tame by comparison if I wanted British quirky. Picking one of Porsche's GT cars or a Turbo S for the same money seems imminently a better choice for something "practical."
Did you just say that people should buy a McLaren???
Exactly my point.. A 360 degree change! McLaren must be laughing!
As he said at the start he's seperating the car from the manufacturer experience, as a car it's great for the money, he even went to the trouble of directing you to a reputable mclaren specialist which is cheaper and more professional to deal with, pays to listen when your watching a video, but you can't educate pork can you 👍🏼
@@rico4you McLaren is not laughing at anything. They've issued a recall of 2800 cars.
Buy a McLaren*
*but not from a McLaren dealer, or give them any money for servicing, warranties, or anything else.
@@williamgeorge4939 yeah time to buy a McLaren.... 😂
Bib rushes to the pages of Autotrader to see what he might get in part-ex for his Peugeot 106 diesel...
Keep the Pug man!!
Is it April the 1st?
Yes April Fools ...James now tells us ...don't hate McLaren... Buy a McLaren!
mp12c.... don't u mean mc12 Maserati.... that thing is a broken pos...
Probably shot this footage in april... 😂
More plugs than currys in that video
Yes just like a paid Promo!
Soon bankrupt can't be good...
You smashed it, JayEmm, your content is just getting better and better. It really cuts through the competition and shines for having your own USP. Also, your advice videos (oldest and newest ones) plus live edits for budding Car UA-camrs has been invaluable, thank you, sir.
Final arse lick, everyone thinks speaking on camera fluently in an articulate manner will be a doddle. Until they try it haha. Newfound respect there too. Keep it up
Much appreciated!
As much as I agree with your assessment, i'm struggling to square this with your previous video detailing the impending destruction of the company. Unlike MG Rover, the parts side of McLaren isn't a separate company and won't function without the car company. All that aside, I would dearly love to be in a position to own ANY of thier cars, from the first F1 to the latest Speedtail and everything in between.
A valid concern but I do know of quite a few parts which are not McLaren specific that might surprise you - eg. Turbo.
Complex things like the gearbox can also be repaired by third parties like Thorney, who remade parts when they couldnt buy them.
The biggest concern is usually body panels - those are quite difficult to replicate cheaply
@@JayEmmOnCars mp12c ....don't u mean mc12 Maserati....
James that was a breath of fresh air my friend. people get on the band wagon of slating Mclaren, everyone’s entitled to an opinion but that doesn’t make it factual, they think Ferrari’s are cheap to run really ! and unless your hacking round the Nurburgring who wants a 911 with its gold Rolex and Filofax appeal. Yes Mclaren is the Apple of the super car world and yes it has dodgy hose clips but as John Thorne will confirm, overall it’s an amazing car. It’s a future classic for the discerning super car owner. To that end I have a deposit on a 12C Spider, Tom at Thorney is inspecting next week for the warranty purchase and the dealer is covering that, I guess the proof and the facts will be in the proverbial pudding......
V 4 let me know how you find Thorney motorsport please !!!! I thinking of doing the same
Congrats. Tell us about the ownership experience and reliability.
@@itsonlywebby9543 I certainly will update my experience, I have nothing to gain in reporting a good or bad outcome, it will just be how I find it and non sensationalised either way
Congrats! You follow the right procedure of buying one. Why a spider?
@@mich5528 I’m a biker at heart and like the fresh air and direct connection with the outside. I also like the retractable ‘hard’ top as you keep a similar profile and lines to the coupe. I think most fabric tops look a bit hairdressery, no offence to hairdressers !
No, no it is not better looking than a 458 Italia. :P
Robert Croft he wears Lonsdale shoes, the man knows what he’s taking about!
Robert Croft, the 12C has aged well. The 458 looks too fussy now.
@@sparky4878 what planet you on! Should have gone To Specsavers lol!😂
I actually prefer the looks of the 12C to the newer models. Less plastic toy styling. That said the McLaren's biggest cause for depreciation is due to the multitude of horror stories around poor reliability and insanely high repair costs.
Aren't McLaren on the verge of going tits up? Those already expensive parts for notoriously unreliable cars will become like gold plated diamonds if they do
You are correct. Watch JayEmm's other videos about what's wrong with McLaren you'll see that this video here must have been made by his evil twin brother.
@@davidhunternyc1 looks like McLaren made a call ...the response is this 360 degree change on opinion on McLaren. what a joke!
@@rico4you Completely agree, Rico. I spent many hours out of my life listening, thinking, and supporting JayEmm about how awful McLaren is. Now he did an about face. I've lost respect.
@@davidhunternyc1 exactly David! credibility zilch, zero, nada! How can you utterly recommend a product that have previously spent so much effort making a stance against it! nonsense!
@@rico4you If McLaren Manchester treated me with contempt and on top of it, Zak Brown, the CEO of McLaren with a net worth of $150 million, treated me like a gnat I would've made it my mission to expose McLaren for what they are. McLaren doesn't care. They are yachting in Monaco, smoking cigars, and having a laugh at JayEmm and all the other "influencer" guppies. On top of it, have you seen the McLaren Elva with that ridiculous pop-up deflector in the front? The Italians are having a field day. McLaren needs to implode. Zak Brown needs to be fired along with his uppity cohorts. It's a shame. McLaren employs 3,600 people and I'm sure that most of them work hard and deserve a job but, in the end, the fish stinks from the head. I'm hoping Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Aston Martin, and even Koenigsegg can poach the best and brightest from McLaren. Even better, let's hope there is an insurgency from within McLaren. Bad behavior never deserves to be rewarded.
No one else is doing this type of content as well. It's pitched perfectly at car people, without stupid faces and lifestyle shite thrown in for clicks. Real content by a real car guy. I don't need fancy tracking shots and slides just insight from someone who is genuinely interested in cars and not the personal profile.
I do prefer the 12c over the 650s as well. The 650s has a "tuned" look, the 12c is more simple and overall more elegant
Bat MikiPig agreed, the look of the 12C ages better than the 650 IMHO
The 12C was a much better can on paper at least than the 458 so glad to see it's getting some appreciation.
I'd go so far as saying it was a game changer with the technology it brought at the time!
I saw a Metallic Black one recently and it looked Awesome...so much I spoke to the owner...Very nice in the Flesh..!!
Thanks for bringing this kind of review and opinions to your videos. This car has been heaven for me since 3 years. I’ve owned several 911, Vantage v12 and M3 and they were good but boring compared to this: carbon tub, speed break, supercar doors, the acceleration to 200km/h in 9secs and the roof retracts in 18 secs! As a spider, sensations are even more intense. It does get a lot of attention over here in BE, NL and DE and 99% positive, except for one close neighbour after a cold start. It has the sport exhaust... after 20000 miles, I do recommend owning one, of course with an experienced dealer not too far away, which is required for any car of this level of performance and price anyway.
The MP4-12C is the prettiest modern supercar. No doubt.
I don’t believe it but I agree 100% with EVERYTHING said in this video regarding McLaren. I used my 12c everyday. I sold it because warranty and servicing was £6.5k per year. 12 months later I’m looking at them again because £ for £ they are the best value supercars for sale.
Nice video. really agree with the comments. like all classics, they go through a process. The world (and UK) is in a finance mess. There will be good deals, and its keeping those cars for the long term, that will be key. Upclose they look amazing, but agree they dont photograph well.
The closest that I will ever come to driving a McLaren is on a games console....... but there is no harm in having dreams or a wishlist.
I do enjoy your reviews JM and you did point out that running costs are severe....... Great content 👍.
At least on a games console you don't have to worry about it not working 👌
I have 570 spider- it’s been faultless in over year of driving 3800 miles. Simply the BEST performance car I’ve owned including Aston, Lotus, Porsche and Ferrari. Only get positive nods and smiles on the road, fill ups and parking: only weird moment so far was when I was literally followed up 10 ramps by Mazda MX5 and to the furthest parking space... then 2 hot girls got out and were all over me . Great 😝 except my wife sat in passenger seat was totally unimpressed 🙄. If I were in market now, I’d get 540c and add Thorney stage 1 remap to gain another 100bhp.
Yep, then you woke up and spent the day in Mom's basement playing video games and fixing your bike!
John Rogers ... hardly: I’m 55 years old, hate silly computer games and my mother is dead 🤨
@@jonathancollard3710 touche'! Well played. Now, do those buttons up and put the gold chains away. Have a pleasant day, eat some hummus!
Says a lot when a Mclaren owner states shock at not having experienced any problems after having done a galactic 3,800 miles...
Alexander Ahari 🥱... no, what is incredible is that so many of you people haven’t got the wherewithal to make intelligent comments and solely seem only interested in slagging off a car manufacturer with childish comments like “ McLaren are shite, I’ll so stick with my Ford Fiesta ST” ... after apparently wasting 15 mins of your lives watching a buyers guide for feckin McLarens 🤪. I’m old enough to have suffered crap build quality with Porsche IMS, shoddy Maserati, Lamborghini and Ferrari mechanicals , paintwork and interior trim issues with Aston and recently ripped off via whole-scale fraud by VW diesel gate... but, no, let’s collectively forget all that and pop off to Halfords for some even bigger subwoofers and aftermarket fury dice 🧐
Hoovies, hearing about astronomical spares and not being able to go on the track, that was hoovie, I get the idea that mcclaren are a little bit arrogant. They just don’t do any for me. I will pass them over for something else. More reliable.
"Better looking than a 458 Ferrari??" what are you smoking!?! ;-) This is such an anonymously looking boring car, only the cool color helps it
However... if you discount the low (& getting lower!) prices due to depreciation and the excellent performance, the decidedly questionable prospects of McLaren servicing, the equally depressing availability and supply of both parts and information, combined with the lengths to which user servicing has been designed OUT of the equation... I cannot think of anything more dubious apart from Russian Roulette!!!
IF you're overflowing with disposable income then, fine, you may get away with having a McLaren as a disposable car. IF you want a Supercar on the cheap, a McLaren is still the least complicated road to bankruptcy! To summarise, working on them is likely a nightmare (especially repair compared to servicing) and parts,if available, cost a fortune!
Oh wow! ONE recommended independent?? Are you a gambling man, James? You don't look like one...
Which car would you suggest?
The Maserati GranSport seems cheap in buying price but also a huge problem in running costs
I guess an
Response to your comment would be:
It's not what you know but *_who_* you know?
With the right contacts or knowing the right people with knowledge of McLarens it may just be possible to own one.
And as James said the 12c is old enough to have alot of the bugs ironed out.
It's a super car so one doesn't go into purchasing a McLaren like they would a vauxhall or ford?
This may be solid advice in the UK, but I am concerned that the service network in the US isn't quite there yet. Too many 12Cs I've seen here have service histories where the expenses are half the original value of the cars. I would also say that 570S is probably the best buy of the bunch if you are getting a McLaren because it lacks the hydraulic suspension of the higher-end cars. I think the more conventional suspension will be less of a source of headaches in the longer term on an older car.
But the traditional suspension sucks big time. I‘d not touch a 540/570, needs suspension replacement and better aero. 12C is the better buy, running costs aside.
I agree
Love this. Made me want one! I do prefer the front of the 650s, but feel it's rear isn't cohesive... Needing customisation with a 675LT inspired rear grille and exhaust... Whereas the 12-C has a cohesive design front to rear. If only there was more economic certainty, I'd go for it!
4:46, 5:56, 8:33 that colour!!! 👌✔
Interesting view....great video...price point is brilliant but even with Thorney in the mix ....the cars cost a prohibitive sum to be driving for an ordinary person....the same ones who can run a 911 very well and often without warranty...
@Jayemm A 2017 NSX is also an alternative for affordable Supercar as well. But my heart says a new Lotus Evora GT does pique my interest as well.
I would absolutely love an NSX. Think they're fabulous!
Unfortunately, for many fartsniffers with the kind of money to afford one, they turn their nose up at a plebeian maker like Honda.
I would rather have an Evora
I concur. If you know what you’re looking for these are going to be great cars.
I would avoid the 12c at all costs regardless of the price. I work as a professional driver coach aside from my normal day job so I’ve had first hand experience. I can confirm the 12c is a fantastic driving car, driving it years back when they were new. However from my experience the car sat more in the paddock because of electronic issues forcing the car into limp mode. The owner told me he took it multiple times to the dealership to get fixed and they never properly fixed it. Whenever the car was pushed on track something would break or malfunction. I’m sure it wouldn’t be a problem for a spirited mountain run, but on track we are properly pushing the cars, and the 12c couldn’t handle it. At least the one I was coaching and driving in. I would hope not all of them would have the same issues.
Sounds like a car that was not properly looked after by the dealer
JayEmm on Cars Yep real shame. Thanks for making great content!
Not my experience, multiple track days driven hard and never an issue. Almost every trackday from McLaren's own and others they have been bullet proof.
Buy Tesla Stock Instead, then you'll be able to afford a decent supercar down the road
Damnnnn totally right. One year later
Good vid...all the negative comments are great indicators that now is a good time to buy - you've got to go against the flow - take the opportunity the the herds dont see 👍 It snot going to be a cheap experience though - super cars aint cheap
Audio quality on this video is absolutely excellent.
Great coverage of these future classics. One of the most interesting things I see in current classic cars. Are those with in period modifications race cars, rare cars, and those with famous owners. I think a lot of future classics will miss out on being those period modified race cars. I was looking at goodwood racing this last few years and last year they did that big mini race with 60 FIA K class cars. People were massively amazed to see 60 classic cooper S's on the grid. I was too. But less than a year later the market is a wash with FIA K class 60's cooper s race cars. It has disappointed me to see that many wealthy owners had clearly just bought their car for that race, and then unlovingly just thrown it back on the market once it was done.
It's my fav Macca after the F1. That's the colour too!
Still take a 458 over this, the noise, the looks, just as quick.
And better service and customer service. McLaren has a reputation.
And getting on for double the outlay.?
458 is not even close to being as fast as a 12C. A 488 is close though.
Mclaren have had their issues and no doubt they still do at present. In South Africa we have 2 dealers and the cheapest 12c for sale is around £90k. Would I be tempted by one? I would possibly look at a Spyder in Volcano red as it's my favorite color on a Mclaren. My second choice would be a 570 Spyder but in blue.
Really insightful video Jay. Cant emphasize enough how correct you are that you do not get a hard time driving around town. In a Ferrari or even some of the modern more exotic looking McLaren's, people will give you some grief. Not in the 12C, and as a purchaser who didn't want a lot of attention, this is a much better choice (not saying you won't get attention, but for whatever reason a lot less negative attention as you said). I tend to meet two new people every time I drive the car. They want to know more about it, sit in it and check it out (before all of the current social distancing).
My one recommendation to people is to buy from a McLaren dealer with a CPO. It will cost you easily $20k more, but you'll get that car that was taken care of, wasn't modified, and went through all of the software and other upgrades (and qualifies for the warranty instantly - those upgrades btw easily surpass the price difference). I haven't had any major issues with my car and it has been a pleasure so far. I encourage more people to go look into them now. Needless to say there are incredibly fast and as mentioned in a previous video's comment, turned a 1:30.67 at Laguna in a stock one with modern street tires. Pretty insane really when you think about it.
Two reasons now is a good time. 1) you mentioned that the owners who had the current cars took care of them and were meticulous with them. Agreed. Definitely still lot's of good cars, even in better shape than when new. They basically ironed the bugs out for you. 2) The extended warranty only goes for 12 years and so some of the older versions' clocks are ticking for extended warranty options (if they do not have a local person like it seems is by yourself).
One thing to watch out for...Mclaren's from non-McLaren dealerships...modded or previously modded 12C's...non-CPO cars. Not worth risking any of that on this type of car. Oh and you'll probably want to make sure you have a McLaren dealership by you if you're going with the warranty!
As always enjoying your vids keep it up man!!!
Turn in Track Out Hey man, you posted fantastic videos of your 12C on track! Subscribed
I might be tempted if I was in the UK where there's a reasonably priced independent shop to maintain it and the factory is relatively close if it eats a transmission. But in North America with inflated dealer service and parts prices? No way. It's just a money pit.
I saw a video where a 2012 12c was 3 seconds faster around Laguna Seca than a 2019 Porsche gt3 rs.
That is serious speed for the price.
Brian Kearn I can testify to that, faster than any roadlegal 911 (except 2RS) on a fast track. However some 911 GT3 or Nissan GTR owners can get mean as they are not used to being taken over at high speed... careful ;)
Love your reviews!!!!!
thanks for the opinion, sure it will stir up some confusion despite your idea that the two positions are separate - company vs car. Your proposition holds water but I think the reality is it depends on where you live and how accessible the rare specialists are
The MP4-12C is the launch model whilst it was renamed 12C when they switched out from slide door opening mechanism to the push button. There were less then 500 RHD MP4-12Cs built with majority being LHD... thus the RHD will appreciate as a classic over time .... I have one and it’s a keeper ...
I really appreciate the fact that you bothered to do proper theme music. Doug's musical tidbits are execrable!
But it is so 80s... Like hoovies
Stunning colour, is that the volcano red
Indeed Volcano Red and Carbon blades with super lightweight wheels, beautiful
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Trouble is 540/570s are in the 80,s which is crazy. 2 are in the low 70,s, 12c are a little under. Could we see 12c in the 50/60,s soon, Likely. They havent been selling for sometime
A 12C already sold for 48K but it wasnt a good one
Honestly James it feels like you’re reading my mind! Question for me is what happens when the 570s drops below the 12C which could happen, I think the 12C will age much better and be a modern classic in 10 years. 570s won’t.
I agree, I think the 12C has more timeless looks
These were the days when McLaren's looked right as soon as they released. Since then with all the new models after they released the sports series; their looks have had to grow on me.
@@henryhol8538 But good drivers car don't depreciate after a certain point, which the 570 is definitly more, than a 12c. You look at old lotuses. They tend to hold their price at a certain point
No idea why this guy doesn't have more subscribers.
Current daily drive is a Cayman but recently been looking at older Ferrari's mainly a 308 GTB as an investment but still haven't made that happen yet. Was very close at one point but then the Mrs reminded me we are building a house but it will come hopefully soon. What's your views on the 308 GTB ? Must admit I'd pick a 458 against a 12c any day but between a R8 & 12c I'm not sure. I've drove a few R8s but not the 12c. Warranty. Repair costs and build quality would put me off the McLaren
I have not driven a 308 but hopefully will this year
@@JayEmmOnCars 308s are great to drive Jay. I had a GTB years ago when I lived in Marbella. Was black and sounded amazing. Before that I had a 308gt4 which was my first Ferrari which I have to admit was a nightmare looking back but was a dream at the time being a mad head 21 year old. Also had a 348 TS and a new 355 which I've never had anything better since. As you can see theres a pattern here with Farrari ownership lol
I’ve owned 308 GTS qv, 348 ts and 360 F1. In today’s market the 308 will hold value most me thinks but in all honesty is bloody old in driving dynamics and performance. It it however so classically proportioned (328 arguably better). The wife has a Boxster so anything pre 2000 from Modena after the Cayman will feel loose and dated chap. 355 still pick of the bunch but crazy prices really for 25 year old car and 30+ year body design. Don’t forget the Bertone 308GT4 from 1975 but do forget the Mondial.. F430 the one to watch also... 🙂 Audi R8 is sensible choice and you won’t be disappointed
This McLaren 12C Spyder really stands out to be the car to buy instead of a Lamborghini and Ferarri.
A full Borla exhaust with headers for a 2019 Mustang will run about $4000-4500 installed. A warranty on the McLaren will run around $4500-5000 a year. $4500 is $4500 no matter who you give it to. Viewed through that lens the McLaren becomes more compelling.
Thanks for the entertaining video.
My pleasure!
Bloody hell, I'm already fighting hard against the temptation to buy my first supercar. Cheers for that!
I'm fighting hard against the temptation to get a better paying job.
I'd advise browsing first. Plenty of hidden bargains just waiting for someone to find them.
Don't worry. You don't have the money to buy them anyway.
Interesting yet potentially controversial, there is well considered sense to be seen in this commentary, I hope you are ready for incoming via the comments section !
Yes, the incoming comments are quite amusing. Lot of people not understanding that nobody is obliged to take my advice, and I think I'm fairly balanced about the cars
Promoting buying a supercar on finance in these times of a global pandemic and financial crisis is ridiculous and dangerous.
The most beautiful McLaren ever produced 🥰🥰🥰🥰
becuase it dont look like any other Mclaren....
Not really, that would be f1 obviously but 12c, Love it!
James... can’t say I’m warming to your new title sequence chap... all very late 1980’s Top of the Pops with getto blasters , shocking pink and neon yellow palette... unless of course, that’s the theme you were aiming to achieve 🤔
Come 100K it will be changed for something a little more subtle
JayEmm on Cars there’s an incentive to get the subs up.
After seeing Hoovies video on his car I have been put off McLarens.
Rhowhat, he did buy a dog. Didn’t help that he was so far from a McLaren dealer. I wonder if they have any equivalents of Thorney (other than the Wizard) as independent specialists to keep them running at reasonable cost. Also all the expensive replacement parts had to be shipped from here over to the US. That doesn’t help with turnaround times.
So someone buying the cheapest one he could find has put you off one... Same for any supercar there’s dogs everywhere!
@@WeirdBrick Even if it was the cheapest, it also had 10s of thousands spent on it before Hoovie got his hands on it.
These cars have multiple grenades waiting to go off at any time. Stay well away. I understand the temptation of a car like this for 40-50k but the risks just aren't worth it.
@@sparky4878 Rob Ferreti also had some serious issues around the cost of parts.
I agree that Hoovie bought the cheapest one which is always a bad idea, it was more the restrictions he had with the warranty and how long he could keep the warranty. I hadn't heard of the much cheaper warranties James talks about, they are more encouraging. He is absolutely right saying this is the time to buy one before the third owner syndrome hits them.
Top gear needs a presenter like Jay, good consumer advice and relevant not silly road trips round the Andes
He's got a point though. A 2016 BMW 750ix had an MSRP of $97,000. There is one on CarMax for $31,000. That's $66,000 in depreciation in 4 years or around $16,000 per year. There will be some depreciation with a McLaren but it will be worth a whole lot more than $30,000. With a warranty McLaren running costs won't be $16,000 a year.
If I sold all my cars, perhaps. But given the apparently compulsory warranty alone costs more than tax, insurance, service and running costs across all my cars it doesn’t make sense. Even the Thorney Sport package, and they’re 130 miles from me. Not exactly like having a good independent just around the corner. Plus I like the choice of different cars not just one. Do like the 12C though. The original. All McLarens after seem to be a variation on the recipe with different states of tune.
Another great video
When and where were you finding a 12c for £50k, let alone under £65k?
There was one advertised on several UK sites for 52,995 if memory serves, and the owner appeared on a FB group to say he actually wound up paying £48k for it
I don’t get his one, of all the mclarens you choose the crappest one to own. Look if you want to buy a mclaren you go and buy a 540 or 570. They look modern, are as quick as the rest in real world terms. 12c vs 570, no comparison and both the same money
That 12C is the best-sounding of the bunch.
The Trackday/Touristenfahrten running costs are still high compared to Porsche for example. - Mostly I look for those costs when going for a weekend car. I want to run it as much as possible with less pain in the pocket as possible. - Seen some friends of mine with 570 McLarens I would feel a bit anxious about the pocket money I can run my hobby off. Nevertheless great cars and would like to drive, when money would be a lesser focus during the season.
UA-cam world: buy a McLaren because it's affordable and nicer looking than a 458.
Real world: if I buy groceries, pay rent, and make my car payment this month, I'll be solid!
To be fair that's most weeks for me in UA-cam land too
Cost of maintenance will destroy the average bargain buyer.Parts cost alone will be a nightmare.If burning $10k cash in a bucket makes you upset ,you can’t afford this car .
“These cars are actually very reliable. However, I wouldn’t want to run one without a warranty”.
Global recession incoming, oh let’s buy a super car 🤦
@Commendatore This video wasn't aimed at those types though. For enormous sections of the global man and woman in the street the next year is going to see significant unemployment or job insecurity - hardly a prime time to lumber yourself with a money pit like a supercar is it?
I expect most people to be sensible enough to work out whether they can afford to make a purchase like this or not
@@JayEmmOnCars now at the moment J, sure if things were stable in the world. But how many can and would want to take such a risk based upon their situation being the same in 6 months or a year? A lot can and doubtless will change for millions around the world in the short term before economic good times or just basic stability is restored.
Interesting views here. If you have the financial means then what's the problem?
@@animalcol1 no problem, adults can make there own decisions - good or bad. But this video is about less than rich folk taking advantage of an opportunity to get a supercar at a time of falling prices. But most people will only be able to do that on finance or emptying piggybank. You think now is the right time to take that risk? Just as we are about to head into a recession somewhere in severity between the 2008/09 crash and the great depression! Really? Unless you are really sure of job security anyone who is not wealthy already would be mad to take on a supercar cost and associated overheads right now.
I'm also one of the people that prefer the 650S looks to the 12C. 12C prices on autotrader start at £67k now and 650S are £90k, not sure if they've already started going up in value. For me, I don't really like its exhaust noise and would be concerned about its servicing, things going wrong etc, the Thorney information was very useful for the latter. Personally I'm still looking at a R8 V10 Plus Manual or an F Type SVR on PCP/Lease if the price keeps dropping as fast as it has.
Strong jacket and shirt combo there
I should wait a few months to see what developments are coming our way. I suspect McLaren and Aston Martin will be the brands most likely to face bankruptcy in the next 12 months, so buyers beware!
If McLaren goes bankrupt prices for their cars will either crash or rocket as they'll be the last of the line /production.
With no more being made they should, in theory, become collectors items or classics?
Maybe this video isn't aimed at me. 3 grand for a warranty? I wouldn't even spend 3 grand on a car. ;o))
I was so hoping that you accidentally hit reverse at the end like Arnie in Twins. Volcano Red is the definately the best on that car in my opinion.
Wether it’s reliable or not, in that colour that is one handsome car
Its been a dream car for me. Amazing car...when it works
Specific Porsche GT-car parts kick up the bills by 3-5x over “regular” parts I’m using in my regular Turbo...I couldn’t imagine everything being “GT prices” like these
Fantastic video, really nice car.
That ending was brilliant and comical all in one James 😆
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Loool good one Jay
12C better looking than the 458?? This guy is off his rocker. McLarens are surely faster than most other cars but I think they all look the same. The 720S was an improvement, and its speed is off the charts, but they seem to have a lot of problems.
Perks of domesticated cars, these are so cheap in the UK since they’re from there. Here in the US the 12c is $90-100k for a decent example while the 570 and 650s are still $130k-150k.
Harrison, had a nosey on Autotrader here in the UK. Looking around £70k for the cheap ones which is about $90k ish. Works the other way too. Some of your lovely classic muscle cars have a hefty premium here.
Another fine video....👍
Writing this before I have even watched your video. Your reading my mind! Great minds think alike!!! Your the only UA-camr (apart from Monkey & Shmee) that I think actually noes anything about cars in the traditional sence (!!) Dave from DDE has been driving a modified 12C in the USA & Canada for quite a while. He has probably driven more miles in one, I would say than 75 to 85+% of owners. He has had no major issues at all! These guys beat on there cars relentlessly. They are not garage queens. Anyway, time to watch your offering.
Better looking than a 458!? Are you sure you live on the same planet as the rest of us?
Top Notch Signs & Graphics neither are particularly good looking. I can say I like the 12c much, but the 358 is not a good looking car. The F360 and F430 are much better looking cars.
Give me a 458 any day over the 12c...far more reliable too!
And if you end up in the woods without the means to make a fire, it's McLaren to the rescue!
For the money I'd rather have a nice R8V10 manual spyder
why am i seeing rolling clips of a totally different model?
Lockdown travel restrictions
I think they have more to go depreciation wise at least in the U.S. market for one C obvious 8 reason. Probably different in other markets. That said, even if I could buy one for $70,000usd, I wouldn't because out of warranty it might cost that again to repair a transmission failure or procure the trick suspension components if those went. That also might not happen, but like many folks, I can't afford to roll those dice.
It's going to be a good time to buy any expensive car: the bubble will burst (to an extent), so they'll be much more affordable, and then prices will eventually go back up.
Absolutely not better looking than a 458 (work of art) in my opinion. Decent buy at the moment for sure, as most mcLarens due to depreciation.
Jason Dawe for the 2020s 👍
Can we all just appreciate Sssniperwolf for all the effort she puts into her videos - thx Lia!
*FUCK....NO!!!!!! you should Not* buy a Moneypit McLaren as we enter the biggest Depression...in modern history. If you're debt free and still have a job in 12 months, Get a used Lotus with a Toyota engine.
Dave S. Mate, which Lotus’ have a Toyota engine? Thanks
@@mac3490 the later Elise & Exige uses a straight 4 and the heavy (but still awesome) Evora uses a camry V6
10 reasons why not to buy a McLaren right now
I did that video already lol
Wouldn't it be easier to just burn your money?
Yes, but less fun