@@neutralboi1984 They're from Pokemon Go and LGPE, so they may be Gen 7 Pokemon... But idk if Pokemon Go has Gen 7 mons yet, so we'll just wait and see XD
It's kinda iffy since they only appear in a random backyard in the center of the largest city in the region. Eevees in Castilian could be more of a stray dog thing. They do appear in the wild in Alola but they could be an invasive species like the Yungoose line
@@iancypes5911 Yes, those Eevees are probably translocated by the rich dude that own's the mansion along with the other rare pokémon that are not found anywhere else in Sinnoh.
The zigzagoon thing is pretty easily explained. The hoennian form evolved after the galarian form, and then proliferated more. Older forms of animals that only survive in some areas are pretty usual
I can agree with your point except for that losing the final evolution IS strange I think. It should instead just have a different final evolution to match. Simply the fact that it has a third evolution in Galar throws me from agreeing.
@@---jt5wg I'd say it's similar to how a lot of animals shed unnecessary features and adaptations in less harsh environments. Evolving takes a lot of energy presumably, so if linoone can survive fine without doing so, they'll gradually select out the ability as those who don't evolve will use less energy
@@ElodieCunningham plus there are already plenty of pokemon that hunt large game in Hoenn. There's just more competition to make it less worth it to evolve.
If I remember correctly, the thing with the Obstagoon line is that they are originally from Galar, went to another region, change to be more docile (loding the capability to evolve to Obstagoon in the process I guess) and this more docile version extended to other regions.
This is correct. The thing is, in Galar, Zigzagoon and its family actually have to compete for food. This has caused them to evolve as an aggressive species and including Obstagoon. But, long ago, when the species was introduced into other areas, they found they had no real competition for food. Thus, they evolved for different tactics. This is hinted at in Sword and Shield. In short, they are an invasive species in other regions. And in reality, we as players have zero right to tell the devs they are wrong for doing something like that. Well, you can tell them they are wrong, but, does not mean you are right to do so.
Also, the fact that multiple regions wound up with the exact same docile variant can be easily explained in that it was only shipped to one other region at first, and then when the new docile variety became popular it was then shipped to even more regions.
@@Compucles It reminds me of how IRL raccoons became invasive species in Japan because many bought them as pets and released them when they became too much to handle.
Personally, if Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist hadn't been introduced in Kalos, I think they should have been saved for Galar, since the tradition of carving pumpkins for Halloween originated in the UK. Although they used turnips at first, and it was Americans who switched to pumpkins because they were more readily available, so Unova could work, too. Also, I couldn't agree more about Karrablast and Shelmet; how was a Pokemon called Escavalier with built-in jousting lances not saved for the France-inspired region? And yeah, what you say about Roselia echoes something my best friend said recently: "Roselia is basically a Sinnoh Pokemon that got a preview in Hoenn."
Gourgeist has a Halloween theme, which is mainly known as an American holiday. Thought that was the reason why you’d choose it for Unova. That story about the 3 ghost types is a bit convoluted and a stretch lol
I didn't make the Halloween connection, but I agree, I thought that the reason he did give didn't make too much sense. I mean, sure, that would've been cool, but at the same time, it sounds more like something they might use to justify giving us a certain new Pokemon these days
I’d like to argue A. The trapped him in Sinnoh to ultimately prevent his awakening. B. He is included with them as he is a creator of lives and arguably moved the continents where we find em today
I heard some people saying they forget that Slugma and Magcargo are from gen 2 since you can find them in the wild more often in Hoenn, so I think they might come from there.
No real basis but I like the idea regigigas was too powerful so it was locked away in the ruins of sinnoh instead. Not only would it be contained but Not have access to its servants of the other regis
Imagine if they did have the Old Amber in Alola though but the description remarks that it looks odd compared to Old Amber from other regions and then when you revive it it was an Alolan Aerodactyl I think that would have been a cool way to introduce a new Aerodactyl form
I swear to god they had the idea for Budew and Roserade in Ruby and Sapphire, but cut them and kept Roselia to spend more time on the baby and evolution.
Another argument in favor of moving Gourgeist to Unova: in France, we don't really celebrate Halloween that much, or at least when we do, pumpkins are almost never involved. For French people, it's mainly costumes and candies. Personaly I don't know anyone who ever carved a pumpkin in France.
The brown zigzagoons aren't native to any other region except hoenn & maybe kalos & the ones from kalos could've been imported from Hoenn & let loose (would make more sense if they were Galarian since Galar's probably closer)
So the solution to the plothole is that the original Galarian Zigzagoon was *first* imported to neighbouring Kalos, and it was there where it went divergent evolution and became a normal type while also losing it's final evolution? And then this newer Kalosian Zigzagoon was exported to the rest of the world and for some reason this variant from Kalos did ok everywhere else so it didn't need further changing? It's a stretch (especially arguing that a *weaker* form would be more suitable for survival than a more powerful evolved form), but otherwise, it may actually work. Also, that would retroactively make Kalos, not Alola, the first region ever to introduce regional variants.
@@VeggiePopper based upon their dex entries is possible that linoone only evolves in galar due to the presence of the wild area. “...will recklessly challenge opponents stronger than itself” The wild area has access to higher levelled Pokemon at an earlier point than other games so it may be that evolution to Obstagoon is beneficial to allow it to compete. In regions where it has less competition (Hoenn), it likely has less battling experience and therefore doesn’t evolve as evolution likely comes with high energy demand.
The way I see it, Galar doesn't have pack predators. Nothing like Mightyena, Lycanroc, Houndoom, or Manectric. In that setting, it would make sense that Obstagoon would evolve to be able to defend big kills from large single assailants, like Dragapult. In the other regions, pack hunting Pokemon are abundant, and going after big prey would eventually prove unfeasible, and thus Obstagoon would be outcompeted. Thus, Linoone is a mid-level predator like most mustellids.
@@VeggiePopper well funny thing is about evolution while yes it means survival of the fittest it doesn't necessarily mean the physically strongest species will survive. Evolution is also more like whatever works the best for a species survives. Many extinct species of the past were apex predators at their time but overtime they died because they couldn't survive in the enviroment change. For the galarian ziggy line once they were imported to a new region over time, The more docile variant was able to survive better then the galarian version. Even if it was technically weaker then the original version the docile one was able to survive to the point where it was able to thrive more successfully after it lost obstagoon.
Beldum can only be found in the wild on Ula’Ula Island and the Crown Tundra, while its evolutions hide in the Giant Chasm. Steven simply caught one in Alola, brought it to Hoenn, and gifted the player the only available Beldum in its debut game.
Would be interesting to see a OG form Obstagoon. Doesn’t even have to be a boring version of Galar’s, could be more of a Quadraped like it’s prevolutions, or even a different type (first ever normal-dragon?)
@@emperorcubone Drampa could honestly be on one of those Top Ten most forgettable Pokémon. Those vids are always fun because they remind me of Pokemon that look like they were fan made
I think that keeping it normal type makes the most sense as Galar's doesn't change typing as it evolves. Yet, instead of calling it Obstagoon, I think a new name is in order as I don't see it serving the same role as the one from Galar. It should be even speedier instead of bulkier, a real sneaky type of personality possibly, keeping a low profile and being more of an ambush predator. Like how they did with Galarian Meowth to Purrserker.
4:56 The reason Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist are better fitted for Unova is because it’s based on an area of the USA, and the USA takes Halloween very seriously.
Really liked this, nice reasoning! With Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist, there's also the Halloween aspect-- it's a *huge* holiday in the US but not really a thing in France, aka Unova/Kalos. I don't think France does jack-o-lanterns at all...
Budew & Roserade are hoenn pokemon (just introduced later on both are even in the Updated ORAS pokedex) just like Gallade, Froslass, Probopass, Dusknoir, & Chingling they've been retconned
Avian and non-avian don't refer to flight when talking about dinosaurs. Kinda. Avian dinosaurs are the group that eventually became birds. (I think this includes raptors and t-rexes but i'm not sure). Non-avian dinosaurs are the ones that did not become birds. So archeops and tyrantrum are avian (possibly zolt and draco). Rampardos, bastiodon, and aurorus are non-avian (also possibly draco). While the rest aren't dinosaurs at all.
You are absolutely right about raptors and t-rexes. Most of what we think of as dinosaurs are avian dinos. One group which isn't avian is the pterosaurs. So you definitely wouldn't be finding Aerodactl there.
Non-avian basically means anything that isn't what we would consider a bird. Whilst Tyrannosaurus and Velociraptor are more closely related to birds than to many other theropods, they're still technically non-avian. And Aerodactyl, being a pterosaur, is not a non-avian or avian dinosaur, simply because it isn't a dinosaur at all. Pterosaurs are closely related to dinosaurs (they're archosaurs, as are modern day birds and crocodiles), but they're completely different lines.
Blastoise and Torterra may be counterparts, bc both are turtles, are starter Pokemon, and have awesome shells. Blastoise is Gen 1 and Torterra is Gen 4, but I think they should be starter counterparts tho.
Personally I think the reason why Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist would fit better in Unova is because they're jack-o-lanterns, Unova is based on New York and the Americans are obsessed with Halloween, but maybe that's just me
@@emperorcubone Second biggest? Well, I guess you’re right. While Halloween is celebrated for one month, Christmas is celebrated for at least 2. Seriously, you eat turkey for Thanksgiving, not chopped liver.
"It's not possible for Zigzagoon to have evolved the exact same way in every region outside of Galar" But that's exactly what happened to Exeggcutor. Alolan Exeggcutor is the true form, with Exeggcutor in other regions unable to grow into their full potential due to environmental factors. Also, look up convergent evolution. Multiple species converge on the same solutions to problems through evolution all the time. Nature has tried to make crabs from non-crab species in a process known as Carcinisation at least five separate times! Also, the explanation for the absence of a Hoennian Obstagoon, is that Zigzaggoon has less pressure to fight in the wild in other regions, so had no need for a third more defensive evolution, and was eventually lost.
@@aikou2886 darwinism evolution doesnt work in that direction though. Unless being able to evolve was maladaptive, it wouldnt "evolve out". But I could see it being maladaptive if they had less access to food or something. Also totally possible they didnt evolve to evolve into obstagoon until after the hoenn version split off. Thus hoenn zigzagoon didnt lose the ability to evolve but the galarian ones gained it.
@@pixality7902 Oh Okay, I think I misunderstood the dex description then. The way I thought it worked assumed the original line was Galarian so Zigzagoon just lost competition but then it wouldn't make sense since more food = more chances to evolve. Thanks for clarifying this.
Alolan Exeggutor:*profusely sweating at obstagoon* Also for an argument for obstagoon is that mean the zigzagoon lines were put in the other regions the competition is was much more wild than it to where they became docile and are like the forms they are now, while obstagoon and it's prevolutions still thrive in its home region and still gets to act wild, plus animals do change over time, maybe the old zigzagoons and linoones all slowly became the versions that are more seen around the world)
I mean that's fine to say for an explanation, but they didn't show it much at all. Galar seems perfectly nice to live in; maybe the Wild Area is full of conflict but we never got to witness it. I think they really just wanted to party with Team Yell...
@@emperorcubone I'm sure they wanted a more wild version of them and they wanted to fit with team skull and the wild area would be more crazy with tyranitars ane mudale running around
Well, the wild area is full of very high level pokemon you can encounter from the start, so I could understand the difference if you were to include that.
My friend. “There are no non avian dinosaur fossils there” means “we have found bird bones” Also, the islands in the real world didn’t exists when pterodactyls did. So unless the timeline is really different, aerodactly couldn’t be there.
The reason no non-avian dinosaurs are on Hawaii is because they had all gone extinct by the time it came into being, not because they couldn’t fly. Hawaii itself is only a couple million years old. (Plus, Aerodactyl isn’t even a dinosaur, it’s a pterosaur, which, while close cousins, are different lineages entirely)
i can understand pumpkaboo originating in kalos (stand in for france) because the legend of the jack o lantern was first established in ireland, they were said to banish evil spirits.
Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist being from Unova also works well because Pumpkins are native to the Americas, and Unova is the only region based on North America
I feel like Exeggutor belongs in the Alola region. Even though there's some hardy palm trees that can live in cold temperatures, most need to live in more tropical environments if they even want to live in the first place. Sure, Alolan Exeggutor exists, but that form was made since Exeggutor's appearance just screams tropical plant.
I made a normal type counterpart evolution for Linoone called Curvoone. A flattened Zigzag is a Line, but an even more flattened Line gets bent into a Curve. Thus Curvoone. It's very curved in shape and rolls around like a wheel.
I do think grass/ghost is fitting for pumpkaboo and gourgeist. It’s a literal pumpkin/jack o lantern. The whole Halloween theme fits. But I do agree that it should’ve been in unova because Halloween is a very American thing and unova is based off America.
Yangoos and Zangoos still haven’t given an origin. One of the Pokédex entries says they were brought into Alola from another region. Also Alolamalola should’ve been in the Alola region.
Is Zangoose from another region? I must have forgotten that; no wonder Seviper hates it if it's an invasive species. (Also Alomomola should evolve from Luvdisc!)
Joke aside, I don't think that Kanto/Johto are the best for Ponyta to be native to. I honestly think that it is ALSO a regional variant, and that there should be a a new region based on Russia or something that has the original horse (possibly a normal/fighting type?).
@@---jt5wg Plus in the Kanto remakes, it made it seem like Ponyta were more imported due to being in the Pokemon Mansion in Red/Blue and the Cycling Road in Yellow. Them being on One Island in the remakes and removed from those Gen 1 locations makes it seem like it has to be from a different region
@@---jt5wg Didn't the Ponyta line use to be version exclusive counterparts to the Growlithe line? I can't recall, haven't played Gen 1 games in like 10+ years
Pinsir's counterpart used to be schyther but since scyther got an evolution and pinsir didn't scyther became it's own thing and pinsir's New counterpart is heracross
I mean, counterparts are subjects to change anyways. Gen 1 counterparts: Oddish and Bellsprout line, Electabuzz, Jynx, Magmar, Mr. Mime, the trade evo's, Caterpie and Weedle line, Pinsir and Scyther. Some of them changed. In gen 2, Heracross became Pinsir counterpart, while Oddish and Bellsprout lost counterpart status. You can argue Oddish and Poliwag are counterparts in Johto, then we got both Scizor and Steelix. Both evolve via Metal Coat, so Onix line and Scyther line became counterparts. Mr. Mime lost counterpart status. In gen 4, Jynx lost counterparts status with Electabuzz and Magmar, but it became a counterpart to Mr. Mime once again, while Rhyhorn line joined Electabuzz and Magmortar as counterparts. In gen 6, the counterparts were once again shaken up again, since Machamp and Golem lost their counterpart status with Alakazam and Gengar, since the latter 2 got Mega's, while the former 2 didn't. They haven't basically gotten counterpart status with eachother anymore, since Golem got Alolan form, while Machamp and Gengar got Gigantamax form.
I actually created my own region with my friend a few years ago, and we included a Legendary trio of Ghost-types, and they've all got the starter types as well! They're based on the spirits of Celtic druids.
We know the SS anne goes to France, I would say the only reason anyone has a Mr Mime (a pokemon you couldn't catch in kanto) would be traders from Kalos
1:38 well it could have happened like this: Galarian zigzagoon left and went to another region. Then it adapted to that region. Then after becoming the normal version a population of them split up.
Isn't the Alolan Exeggcutor the "original" version? If that's the case, what's the difference between it and the Zigzagoon line? I mean, sure, that's probably easier to argue because the sunlight would help it grow, but it's still the same deal.
They never said that the Alolan Exeggcutor is "the original." Rather, it is how Exeggcutor is meant to look with the proper amount of sunlight. But the Kanto Exeggcutor is just as original, simply not receiving as much sunlight.
I like mandjtv's theory where there are more than 1 Regis and each continent and island has a regi trio and a regigas but the galar regigas got creative and creat regieleki and regidrago
With all pokemon regional variants included (also doubling up pokemon who evolve into a variant like Marowak and wheezing) what would your regions look like if you could create an origins dex with 117 pokemon per region(117 is max number of pokemon plus variants divided by 8)
Exactly; Aerodactyl wouldn't be considered avian, but has the same qualities that would have allowed those avian fossils to be found there in the first place.
Diamond was the first main series game I owned (I played Emerald first, but it was owned by my classmate), so I thought Roselia was a Sinnoh Pokémon, since it has Budew and Roserade as pre- and final evolutions. So after I gained the National Dex, I was confused that Roselia had suddenly moved away from Sinnoh and into Hoenn, and thus I learned it was from Hoenn. In the past, I kept thinking Miltank, Nosepass, Togepi and Wobbuffet were all in Gen 1, and that Tangela was not in Gen 1, mostly because I keep forgetting about its existence. I think Tangela might be the most forgettable Gen 1 Pokémon. Speaking of Togepi, since you only get it as an Egg in Johto but can find them in the wild in Diamond and Pearl, and since Togekiss exists, Togepi might actually be from Sinnoh. And then of course there are wild Munchlax in Sinnoh, which means there might be wild Snorlax as well, even if you can't catch them, while there are only 2 Snorlax in Kanto, which might have been shipped there from Sinnoh or something. Riolu and Lucario, however, do not appear to be native to Sinnoh, since you can only get it as an Egg, while it does exist in the wild in Unova, Kalos and Alola. I'm not certain which region Lucario could have originated from, though since it's based on the Anubis, it might originate from an Egyptian region that we don't have access to yet. At the very least, Riolu is not native to Sinnoh. It also seems Zorua and Zoroark are not native to Unova, since they're event-only Pokémon and can't be found in the wild. Zorua can, however, be found in the wild in Hoenn and Alola, so they may originate from either of those regions, or maybe somewhere else, but at least they're native there. I think it's kinda crazy that they made a non-legendary evolutionary line an event-only Pokémon, in the same generation it was introduced, and you can only get them by transferring SPECIAL SHINY LEGENDARIES and a SPECIAL MYTHICAL Pokémon over. Like, instead of giving it as an Egg like with Riolu in Sinnoh, GameFreak is just like "Nope, gotta make this one harder to get!" And then of course there's Spiritomb who really can't be found in the wild... ANYWHERE. It's always just the one event one, or you have to go through a lot to get one to appear, like talk to 32 people in the Underground or Crown Tundra or whatever. Spiritomb is a really weird non-legendary Pokémon. It made sense before gen 6 when it had no weaknesses, but there was also Sableye with the same typing but could still be found in the wild, though it might be because Spiritomb is stronger than Sableye, but still. After gen 6 though, it has a weakness, yet it's still only found as an "event", while others like Riolu and Zorua can be found in the wild after the generation they were introduced in. Spiritomb is a weird one...
The pumpkaboo line being in unova region would make further sense because pumpkin based Jack o lanterns didn't happen till America where pumpkins were originally found and the unova region is based on east coast of America.
Come to think of it, that also might help explain it's slow start ability: it has been away from it's creations for so long now that it lost the power it once had as a result of it's connection to them.
My thought on Regigas has been they wanted to keep the master regi far far away from the others. Especially since in some cases it seems the others are keys to unseal the lock on Regigas.
Ok for your first one i flat out disagree with you. I can totally buy it. The galar region was the original home of the zigzagoon line. The original enviroment was so harsh that that it needed that third evolution. However when it is transported to other region like hoen the environment their is more friendly to their species and thus the zigzagoon lines becomes more docile. And since every other region is less harsh to the zigzagoon line it becomes the more docile variant it makes sense. Also your raichu example is wrong because raichu is explicitly stated as a regional variant while the galarian ziggy line is the original line.
Mime junior was probably intended as gimmicky pokemon for Hearthome city super contest. It may have been introduced in gen 3 games too as Mime jr made debute in anime season prior to D&P and with Mime jr Jessie made a bunch of super contests! In between 3 years of R&S and the anime episode, development came to a conclusion what like Mr. Mime's pre-evolution would be and so it didn't make it to its real origin region game. Who knows if super contest actually only exist in DPPt because of Mime junior's slow development?
Just going to say, Mainland Zigzagoon's calmer nature was explained somewhat lol. It branched off due to having less need to be aggressive, which would also explain the lack of Obstagoon since they're all about being aggressive. Not saying it's the best explanation, but even then, using Galarian Corsola as a comparison doesn't work since we also know they they died off in Galar due to Eternatus
Who says a Pokémon species couldn't evolve (in the traditional sense) and then only that evolved form was transported to other regions for whatever reasons? It would be like transporting Galapagos tortoises all over the world while restricting other tortoise species to their natural habitats. It may be somewhat unlikely, but it's still perfectly feasible, especially if the non-Galarian Zigzagoon was preferred by most humans for some reason such as making for more well-behaved pets. Meanwhile, Linoone obviously lost the ability to evolve into Obstagoon as part of its "evolution" into its other form.
The Hoenn Regis were exported from Sinnoh and sealed far away from Regigigas. This was done because the people at that time feared it and didn't want it getting loose. And it does fit with the others in creating the world, it towed the continents with ropes into their current positions.
I had the same opinion on obstagoon/galarian zigzagoon but the Shield dex entry makes it slightly more bearable. If its galarian form is simply the oldest iteration of zigzagoon, then it’s believable the hoennian iteration eventually came to exist, whereupon it eventually reached more regions as opposed to the galarian form & it’s evolution. Still think they should make hoennian obstagoon though
I can see the Galarian Zigzagoon being the original. If some time, thousands of years ago, the Pokémon world was more clumped together like Pangea, maybe the Galarian ones formed first, some moved to another part of the world, got separated eventually by the world shifting, and then those ones evolved (like Darwin evolution, not Pokémon) into being the way they are because idk, maybe it helped them blend in with the duller colored grass and trees of nature, while the Galarian ones just never happened to come across that genetic mutation, but instead evolved (Darwin sense) to have an evolution (in the Pokémon sense, being Obstagoon). Now is that all just something I made up in my head? Yes. Was Pokémon just BSing because they wanted to make the Galarian forms more interesting? Yes. But I just think it’s a fun possibility. Also, great video!
Roselia kinda makes sense to get Roserade and Budew you need to find its correct evolution stone and breeding item which can only be found in the Sinnoh region after all a regional pokedex is literally based on not just the Pokémon native to the region but also the type of items that are only found in those said regions
Here’s a plausible fan theory- The Zigzagoon we were introduced to in RSE are a Hoenn variant. Both the Hoenn and Galarian variants were accidentally introduced to other regions, but since the Galarian variant evolves into Obstagoon, it was hunted to extinction in every region it was introduced to because it was too destructive to the native Pokemon. The Hoenn Zigzagoon line was allowed to stay because it wasn’t invasive enough to be worth the effort to hunt to extinction.
It's very possible that zigzagoon moved from galar to hoenn, changed and that form moved to other regions. And because of the lack of evolutionary pressure, or maybe just the linoones not being strong enough, meaning they didn't need to evolve, or just couldn't, and so obstagoon was trapped in galar.
I'm sure someone has already said it - but the Zigzagoon issue is because of the European badger - the only other European region prior to Gen IX was Kalos. While the Hoenn version does show up there, that is one fluke, it not appearing in any other region actually makes sense as an American Badger would be in Unova, and the Tanuki version is the one that makes sense for Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh And Regigigas is easily explained as he is part of a creation myth, as it was said to have pulled the continents into their present positions
I mean, they literally said the same thing they said about Galarian Zigzagoon about Alolan Exeggcutor (and it is also implied to be the case with Vulpix), and that's how Darwinian Evolution works.
2:20 Maybe its because Oh i dont know Zigzagoon is native to galar and was removed and brought to anither region therefore causeing it to change and loes a form it didnt need in this new area and then it was brought to more regions and stayed the same way as it needed no more changes and people liked it better than the galar one but thats just me
Just so you know Im Negative about Regigigas , Afterall there was an Episode in Seasons 10-12 Where the Last Gym Leader of the Battle Frontier , Showed us the way to Regigigas , Which was in the temple , There are multiple other Regis that were most likely taken due to specific circumstances , Also The Battle Frontier Brain was the Moving temple that kept moving and moving.
This list (and some of the comments) just goes to show that there has been quite a lot of the Pokémon series that game freak just kinda made spontaneous decisions without future planning when it comes to their game design and if they did have future plans for some of the games, it wasn’t fleshed out very well or they just messed up with some of the decisions. I still play many of the Pokémon games but sometimes I think either game freak didn’t know what they were doing or were trolling people (if you think they haven’t trolled people then you’re wrong)
I feel like the Pumpkaboo line would’ve made more sense for the Galar region seeing as Jack O’Lanterns came from Ireland, which is right next to the UK
the Regis are sealed in Hoenn (and I guess in galar too) in an effort to make it more difficult to find the keys to wake Regigigas bc of how powerful and dangerous they are
Giant's Cap- Regirock Giant's Mirror- Regice Giant's Seat- Registeel Giant's Bed- Regidrago Giant's Foot- Regieleki "Regirock, Regice, and Registeel were formed of a special rock, ice, and magma by Regigigas. They can never be destroyed... Ancient Humans sealed them away due to fear of their powers." "Regidrago was created by Regigigas using crystalized draconic energy. It meant to create the strongest Dragon-Type Pokémon, but ran out of materials, so it is just a head." "Regieleki was born of pure electricity, created by Regigigas. Ancient Humans fitted it with a restrictive harness, limiting its full powers for fear of it running wild." "Regigigas is said to have one time towed Continents with ropes. It created several smaller Pokémon that are said to look like it out of a special rock, iceberg, magma, draconic energy, and electricity. It was sealed deep away so that it wouldn't run wild." It's safe to assume that due to timelines//multiverse(?), Regigigas has been sealed away in every Region's Myths, but was always meant to come from Galar. Why else name your Region's locations after literal giants??? Even the Turrfield Hill drawing can be interpreted as Regigigas. *"Head of UNYIELDING rock. Arms of ETERNAL ice. Torso of OTHERWORLDLY metal. Legs of CRYSTALLINE dragon. Feet of INFINITE electricity."*
I mean if the gala region might be the only area where it fits it’s niche, the other zigs might be more generalist and are able to live in a verity of places
The reason why zigzagoon look different everywhere else is because they devolved to suit the more relaxed environments they didn’t need to evolve into obstagoon because survival isn’t as harsh and intense So when galarian zigzagoon was brought to other regions it devolved to adapt So being the first makes some sense
Despite them living in more peaceful area they still have ability to resist kidnappers such as Prof. Birch, the odds were even as Birch kept spamming tail whip and Zigzagoon used growl!
I've always thought of baby pokemon like they were preemies. Like they got exposed to incense and didnt fully develop. So rosalia didnt need to come from budew, rosalia is really the base and produces other rosalia normally unless exposed to incense. So they got there by being roselia.
6. You dont understand how regional species work? Also, There is no alolan pichu or pikachu. 5. You dont understand how fossils work. Try using the fact that Aerodactyl comes from Amber instead of bone fossils or the fact that there is a mega stone for it(kalos) 4. I like it. 3. I like it, also in beta the swapping duo weren't connected. 2. Totally, I headcanon do this with most babysitter that come after an evolution. 1. The regis aren't servants, they are his children. He gets around.
Well actually given that regieleki and regidrago were introduced in hisui(sinnoh in the past) I’d say it’s safe to assume that the original regi’s aren’t actually from hoenn and at some point in the past for whatever reason moved to hoenn……maybe some ancient battle was going down in hisui and they were able to escape while regigas/eleki/drago ended up staying and getting sealed away
@@emperorcubone thanks that means a lot coming from you! Your channel is a big reason that I decided that I wanted to give YT a try. You, Lockstin, and Birdkeeper Toby are what I’m modeling my channel after.
I liken Obstragoon to Australia and its mammals. I know mammals are not the narrowly defined species like Zigzagoon line, but Australian mammals are so different from mammals on any other continent. Different biological pressures to evolve and whatnot.
Gamefreak explained the original Galar Zigzagoon behaved that way because of scarce food in the region which is also the reason why it lost the dark typing in other regions due to better conditions. It seems like a plausible theory to me. For example, (say) the African elephants could be only from Africa and be the OG species but the Asian elephant is seen throughout Asia.
For me it’s Slugma. It’s never used by trainers in Johto, and it’s only available in the Kanto postgame. In Hoenn, they are very commonly found in the fiery pass, and used by many trainers. Flannery (the fire type gym leader) uses a Slugma on her team. For years I thought Slugma and Magcargo were from Hoenn, and introduced in Gen III. I also know a few think Skarmory and Natu were from Gen III also.
Lol I like how he says in the beginning that it’s crazy for zigzagoon to have a third evolution in one region and then the rest of the video talks about how common it is for Pokémon to have evolutions from specific regions.
@@emperorcubone well galar is where the species originated from. However the I can totally see it being plausible. In galar the environment is harsh enough to where the species required a third evolution to survive. However once exported to the hoen and other similar regions the environmental pressures allowed the species to become docile. Once it was docile it was more advantageous for the species to loose obstagoon as an evoltuion since it no longer needed it to survive. Which lead to the more docile variant being more successful everywhere else around the world except for galar.
Maybe Zigzagoon were just simply introduced into Hoenn, evolved (dawinian wise) into different Zigzagoons without having Obstagoon due to the Hoenn region being way more tame than the Galar region, and then through human activity were introduced super recently into every other region they appear in since
The Beldum line are meant to be from Hoenn, but are never found in Hoenn. But they are found naturally in Unova and Alola, as well as the Crown Tundra. I reckon Steven liked the Beldum line so much (he does say Beldum is his favourite Pokemon) that during his travels, he caught a Beldum and simply brought it back with him to Hoenn. As for the one he leaves the player, he either bred it specifically to give to the player, or he imported another one.
Meltan and Melmetal: You guys have a region?
Yes, do they have a region!?
Maybe they're from Alola but idk..
@@Saviarai-Dravolika they arenet in the alola game
@@neutralboi1984 They're from Pokemon Go and LGPE, so they may be Gen 7 Pokemon... But idk if Pokemon Go has Gen 7 mons yet, so we'll just wait and see XD
I would say Kanto Metan line fits that region.
@@TsuriaDragon yep
I'd like to add that Eevees could be native to Unova, since Gen 5 was the first gen they were seen in the wild, rather than a gift 'mon.
So syther would be sinnoh?
@@morgankundrick8289 I guess so
It's kinda iffy since they only appear in a random backyard in the center of the largest city in the region. Eevees in Castilian could be more of a stray dog thing. They do appear in the wild in Alola but they could be an invasive species like the Yungoose line
@@iancypes5911 Yes, those Eevees are probably translocated by the rich dude that own's the mansion along with the other rare pokémon that are not found anywhere else in Sinnoh.
He said he wasnt talking about these types of situations. But yea thats one of many pokemon that belong to a different region in that sense
What about the Swords of Justice? They being based on the Three Musketeers makes me think they'be more fitting to the Kalos region than Unova.
And they were mentioned to fight in wars too which is heavy in Kalos' history
@@StormbringerT54 maybe when ythe French aided America to gain independence they were left there
The zigzagoon thing is pretty easily explained. The hoennian form evolved after the galarian form, and then proliferated more. Older forms of animals that only survive in some areas are pretty usual
I can agree with your point except for that losing the final evolution IS strange I think. It should instead just have a different final evolution to match. Simply the fact that it has a third evolution in Galar throws me from agreeing.
@@---jt5wg I'd say it's similar to how a lot of animals shed unnecessary features and adaptations in less harsh environments. Evolving takes a lot of energy presumably, so if linoone can survive fine without doing so, they'll gradually select out the ability as those who don't evolve will use less energy
@@ElodieCunningham plus there are already plenty of pokemon that hunt large game in Hoenn. There's just more competition to make it less worth it to evolve.
@-- axolotls and that phenomenon Is called neotony
Like the dingo apparently is from Britain and those died out, Leaving the Australian versions to be “native”
If I remember correctly, the thing with the Obstagoon line is that they are originally from Galar, went to another region, change to be more docile (loding the capability to evolve to Obstagoon in the process I guess) and this more docile version extended to other regions.
This is correct. The thing is, in Galar, Zigzagoon and its family actually have to compete for food. This has caused them to evolve as an aggressive species and including Obstagoon. But, long ago, when the species was introduced into other areas, they found they had no real competition for food. Thus, they evolved for different tactics.
This is hinted at in Sword and Shield.
In short, they are an invasive species in other regions.
And in reality, we as players have zero right to tell the devs they are wrong for doing something like that. Well, you can tell them they are wrong, but, does not mean you are right to do so.
Also, the fact that multiple regions wound up with the exact same docile variant can be easily explained in that it was only shipped to one other region at first, and then when the new docile variety became popular it was then shipped to even more regions.
@@Compucles It reminds me of how IRL raccoons became invasive species in Japan because many bought them as pets and released them when they became too much to handle.
Unova & Kalos:
• Swap out Ferroseed & Ferrothorn for Pumpkaboo & Gourgeist
• Move Swords of Justice (all 4) to Kalos
Number one should be the Swords of Justice. They're based on a French story and Kalos had no smaller trio
Personally, if Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist hadn't been introduced in Kalos, I think they should have been saved for Galar, since the tradition of carving pumpkins for Halloween originated in the UK. Although they used turnips at first, and it was Americans who switched to pumpkins because they were more readily available, so Unova could work, too. Also, I couldn't agree more about Karrablast and Shelmet; how was a Pokemon called Escavalier with built-in jousting lances not saved for the France-inspired region? And yeah, what you say about Roselia echoes something my best friend said recently: "Roselia is basically a Sinnoh Pokemon that got a preview in Hoenn."
It would be cool if it was introduced in unova and have a galarian turnip form of it
Halloween itself is an American tradition, so it wouldn’t be out of place in Unova either.
Gourgeist has a Halloween theme, which is mainly known as an American holiday. Thought that was the reason why you’d choose it for Unova. That story about the 3 ghost types is a bit convoluted and a stretch lol
I didn't make the Halloween connection, but I agree, I thought that the reason he did give didn't make too much sense. I mean, sure, that would've been cool, but at the same time, it sounds more like something they might use to justify giving us a certain new Pokemon these days
I’d like to argue A. The trapped him in Sinnoh to ultimately prevent his awakening. B. He is included with them as he is a creator of lives and arguably moved the continents where we find em today
I heard some people saying they forget that Slugma and Magcargo are from gen 2 since you can find them in the wild more often in Hoenn, so I think they might come from there.
Yeah, I've heard people say the same about the Xatu line and Skarmory as well!
I agree, I always forget Slugma/Magcargo are from Johto. They are not even used by trainers in Johto, and they're synonymous with Flannery.
Yeh, When i play RSE i really think slugma is from Hoenn
Slugma and magcargo are gen 2 mons? Huh
I thought Qwilfish was gen 3 for years because i first caught one relatively early in sapphire and that's one of my favorite pokemon
No real basis but I like the idea regigigas was too powerful so it was locked away in the ruins of sinnoh instead. Not only would it be contained but Not have access to its servants of the other regis
Imagine if they did have the Old Amber in Alola though but the description remarks that it looks odd compared to Old Amber from other regions and then when you revive it it was an Alolan Aerodactyl
I think that would have been a cool way to introduce a new Aerodactyl form
Make it all melted like lava and make it a fire type
They should have made it the first non rock fossi?
The reason why is because they had Mega Aerodactyl
I swear to god they had the idea for Budew and Roserade in Ruby and Sapphire, but cut them and kept Roselia to spend more time on the baby and evolution.
Source?
@@WatchVidsMakeLists If you reread my comment you would know it is just a theory I had you dolt
*Rotom being hurt that he isnt a ghost grass, water and fire type*
And ice and flying. 😂
He is just Ghost in His regular form in his other forms he is electric and the other type
and electric
@@SabirTheHuman i guess it that’s how you’d classify it, but electric is his type no matter what.
To be fair, most of the dual-Electric types it does get instead are just as rare.
Another argument in favor of moving Gourgeist to Unova: in France, we don't really celebrate Halloween that much, or at least when we do, pumpkins are almost never involved. For French people, it's mainly costumes and candies. Personaly I don't know anyone who ever carved a pumpkin in France.
Yeah, they're all over Halloween here in America so that's perfect!
The brown zigzagoons aren't native to any other region except hoenn & maybe kalos & the ones from kalos could've been imported from Hoenn & let loose (would make more sense if they were Galarian since Galar's probably closer)
So the solution to the plothole is that the original Galarian Zigzagoon was *first* imported to neighbouring Kalos, and it was there where it went divergent evolution and became a normal type while also losing it's final evolution? And then this newer Kalosian Zigzagoon was exported to the rest of the world and for some reason this variant from Kalos did ok everywhere else so it didn't need further changing?
It's a stretch (especially arguing that a *weaker* form would be more suitable for survival than a more powerful evolved form), but otherwise, it may actually work. Also, that would retroactively make Kalos, not Alola, the first region ever to introduce regional variants.
I was about to say this same thing.
@@VeggiePopper based upon their dex entries is possible that linoone only evolves in galar due to the presence of the wild area.
“...will recklessly challenge opponents stronger than itself”
The wild area has access to higher levelled Pokemon at an earlier point than other games so it may be that evolution to Obstagoon is beneficial to allow it to compete. In regions where it has less competition (Hoenn), it likely has less battling experience and therefore doesn’t evolve as evolution likely comes with high energy demand.
The way I see it, Galar doesn't have pack predators. Nothing like Mightyena, Lycanroc, Houndoom, or Manectric. In that setting, it would make sense that Obstagoon would evolve to be able to defend big kills from large single assailants, like Dragapult. In the other regions, pack hunting Pokemon are abundant, and going after big prey would eventually prove unfeasible, and thus Obstagoon would be outcompeted. Thus, Linoone is a mid-level predator like most mustellids.
@@VeggiePopper well funny thing is about evolution while yes it means survival of the fittest it doesn't necessarily mean the physically strongest species will survive. Evolution is also more like whatever works the best for a species survives. Many extinct species of the past were apex predators at their time but overtime they died because they couldn't survive in the enviroment change. For the galarian ziggy line once they were imported to a new region over time, The more docile variant was able to survive better then the galarian version. Even if it was technically weaker then the original version the docile one was able to survive to the point where it was able to thrive more successfully after it lost obstagoon.
Alternatively, the Gourgeist line could stay Ghost/Grass but have an ability that gives Fire STAB, like Dhelmise's ability Steelworker
Beldum can only be found in the wild on Ula’Ula Island and the Crown Tundra, while its evolutions hide in the Giant Chasm. Steven simply caught one in Alola, brought it to Hoenn, and gifted the player the only available Beldum in its debut game.
Would be interesting to see a OG form Obstagoon. Doesn’t even have to be a boring version of Galar’s, could be more of a Quadraped like it’s prevolutions, or even a different type (first ever normal-dragon?)
Yeah, it could be more than just a reskinned version of the Galar one. Also we do have Drampa, but it could be the first ever GOOD Normal/Dragon type.
@@emperorcubone Drampa is awesome :(
@@emperorcubone drampa rocks tho
@@emperorcubone Drampa could honestly be on one of those Top Ten most forgettable Pokémon. Those vids are always fun because they remind me of Pokemon that look like they were fan made
I think that keeping it normal type makes the most sense as Galar's doesn't change typing as it evolves. Yet, instead of calling it Obstagoon, I think a new name is in order as I don't see it serving the same role as the one from Galar. It should be even speedier instead of bulkier, a real sneaky type of personality possibly, keeping a low profile and being more of an ambush predator. Like how they did with Galarian Meowth to Purrserker.
4:56 The reason Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist are better fitted for Unova is because it’s based on an area of the USA, and the USA takes Halloween very seriously.
Really liked this, nice reasoning! With Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist, there's also the Halloween aspect-- it's a *huge* holiday in the US but not really a thing in France, aka Unova/Kalos. I don't think France does jack-o-lanterns at all...
Budew & Roserade are hoenn pokemon (just introduced later on both are even in the Updated ORAS pokedex) just like Gallade, Froslass, Probopass, Dusknoir, & Chingling they've been retconned
Avian and non-avian don't refer to flight when talking about dinosaurs. Kinda. Avian dinosaurs are the group that eventually became birds. (I think this includes raptors and t-rexes but i'm not sure). Non-avian dinosaurs are the ones that did not become birds. So archeops and tyrantrum are avian (possibly zolt and draco). Rampardos, bastiodon, and aurorus are non-avian (also possibly draco). While the rest aren't dinosaurs at all.
You are absolutely right about raptors and t-rexes. Most of what we think of as dinosaurs are avian dinos. One group which isn't avian is the pterosaurs. So you definitely wouldn't be finding Aerodactl there.
Non-avian basically means anything that isn't what we would consider a bird. Whilst Tyrannosaurus and Velociraptor are more closely related to birds than to many other theropods, they're still technically non-avian.
And Aerodactyl, being a pterosaur, is not a non-avian or avian dinosaur, simply because it isn't a dinosaur at all. Pterosaurs are closely related to dinosaurs (they're archosaurs, as are modern day birds and crocodiles), but they're completely different lines.
@@killdozer7792 so then only archeops is avian? And tyrantrum is non-avian?
Blastoise and Torterra may be counterparts, bc both are turtles, are starter Pokemon, and have awesome shells. Blastoise is Gen 1 and Torterra is Gen 4, but I think they should be starter counterparts tho.
That would actually be pretty cool! And the rest of the region could be filled with Torkoal, Carracosta, etc...
Having two starters in the same region based off the same animal would be too redundant.
Personally I think the reason why Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist would fit better in Unova is because they're jack-o-lanterns, Unova is based on New York and the Americans are obsessed with Halloween, but maybe that's just me
That works too! Anything to help my case! (But seriously, it is easily the second biggest holiday commercially...)
@@emperorcubone Second biggest? Well, I guess you’re right. While Halloween is celebrated for one month, Christmas is celebrated for at least 2. Seriously, you eat turkey for Thanksgiving, not chopped liver.
Well the Jack o lanterns origins are from Ireland though
I'd have put Accelgor in Johto. Johto is the region that feels the most "Japanese" and when I look At accelgor I'm like "oh yeah that's like a ninja"
"It's not possible for Zigzagoon to have evolved the exact same way in every region outside of Galar"
But that's exactly what happened to Exeggcutor. Alolan Exeggcutor is the true form, with Exeggcutor in other regions unable to grow into their full potential due to environmental factors.
Also, look up convergent evolution. Multiple species converge on the same solutions to problems through evolution all the time. Nature has tried to make crabs from non-crab species in a process known as Carcinisation at least five separate times! Also, the explanation for the absence of a Hoennian Obstagoon, is that Zigzaggoon has less pressure to fight in the wild in other regions, so had no need for a third more defensive evolution, and was eventually lost.
With zigzagoon, it could be that the other variant is more adaptable and able to assimilate to other reigons easier than the galar one.
I agree. That probably removes the need for an evolution since evokutions are usually there to help a creature adapt to its environment.
@@aikou2886 darwinism evolution doesnt work in that direction though. Unless being able to evolve was maladaptive, it wouldnt "evolve out". But I could see it being maladaptive if they had less access to food or something. Also totally possible they didnt evolve to evolve into obstagoon until after the hoenn version split off. Thus hoenn zigzagoon didnt lose the ability to evolve but the galarian ones gained it.
@@pixality7902 Oh Okay, I think I misunderstood the dex description then. The way I thought it worked assumed the original line was Galarian so Zigzagoon just lost competition but then it wouldn't make sense since more food = more chances to evolve.
Thanks for clarifying this.
Alolan Exeggutor:*profusely sweating at obstagoon*
Also for an argument for obstagoon is that mean the zigzagoon lines were put in the other regions the competition is was much more wild than it to where they became docile and are like the forms they are now, while obstagoon and it's prevolutions still thrive in its home region and still gets to act wild, plus animals do change over time, maybe the old zigzagoons and linoones all slowly became the versions that are more seen around the world)
I mean that's fine to say for an explanation, but they didn't show it much at all. Galar seems perfectly nice to live in; maybe the Wild Area is full of conflict but we never got to witness it. I think they really just wanted to party with Team Yell...
@@emperorcubone I'm sure they wanted a more wild version of them and they wanted to fit with team skull and the wild area would be more crazy with tyranitars ane mudale running around
Well, the wild area is full of very high level pokemon you can encounter from the start, so I could understand the difference if you were to include that.
Normal Farfetch'd: _You dudes from Galar have an evolution??_
Imagine all the regional variants of Farfetch'd if everyone had one except Kanto my god it would be glorious.
My friend. “There are no non avian dinosaur fossils there” means “we have found bird bones” Also, the islands in the real world didn’t exists when pterodactyls did. So unless the timeline is really different, aerodactly couldn’t be there.
The reason no non-avian dinosaurs are on Hawaii is because they had all gone extinct by the time it came into being, not because they couldn’t fly. Hawaii itself is only a couple million years old. (Plus, Aerodactyl isn’t even a dinosaur, it’s a pterosaur, which, while close cousins, are different lineages entirely)
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i can understand pumpkaboo originating in kalos (stand in for france) because the legend of the jack o lantern was first established in ireland, they were said to banish evil spirits.
Your thumbnail is Mr. Mime, who is obviously a French mime from Kalos
Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist being from Unova also works well because Pumpkins are native to the Americas, and Unova is the only region based on North America
Regigigas does relate to creation. he pulled the continents that groudon created into different formations
And created the other Regis
That is literally the whole point of Regigigas ya know sealed away far from the hoenn region due to rampaging with the og regi trio ???
I feel like Exeggutor belongs in the Alola region. Even though there's some hardy palm trees that can live in cold temperatures, most need to live in more tropical environments if they even want to live in the first place. Sure, Alolan Exeggutor exists, but that form was made since Exeggutor's appearance just screams tropical plant.
I made a normal type counterpart evolution for Linoone called Curvoone. A flattened Zigzag is a Line, but an even more flattened Line gets bent into a Curve. Thus Curvoone. It's very curved in shape and rolls around like a wheel.
I do think grass/ghost is fitting for pumpkaboo and gourgeist. It’s a literal pumpkin/jack o lantern. The whole Halloween theme fits. But I do agree that it should’ve been in unova because Halloween is a very American thing and unova is based off America.
Yangoos and Zangoos still haven’t given an origin. One of the Pokédex entries says they were brought into Alola from another region. Also Alolamalola should’ve been in the Alola region.
Is Zangoose from another region? I must have forgotten that; no wonder Seviper hates it if it's an invasive species. (Also Alomomola should evolve from Luvdisc!)
@@emperorcubone Yangoos were imported into Alola to deal with the Rattata problem
Ponyta is native to Sinnoh, c'mon guys, please, it's all DP has
What about Chimchar?
@@VeggiePopper Legends shows that it is already Native, but it's already part of the Sinnoh introduced Pokemon so it's a given
Joke aside, I don't think that Kanto/Johto are the best for Ponyta to be native to. I honestly think that it is ALSO a regional variant, and that there should be a a new region based on Russia or something that has the original horse (possibly a normal/fighting type?).
@@---jt5wg Plus in the Kanto remakes, it made it seem like Ponyta were more imported due to being in the Pokemon Mansion in Red/Blue and the Cycling Road in Yellow. Them being on One Island in the remakes and removed from those Gen 1 locations makes it seem like it has to be from a different region
@@---jt5wg Didn't the Ponyta line use to be version exclusive counterparts to the Growlithe line? I can't recall, haven't played Gen 1 games in like 10+ years
Pincer and Heracross are counterparts, but one is Gen 1 and the other Gen 2
Pinsir's counterpart used to be schyther but since scyther got an evolution and pinsir didn't scyther became it's own thing and pinsir's New counterpart is heracross
Yeah, I do like all three of those Bugs, I just wish it were a little more cleaned up...
I mean, counterparts are subjects to change anyways.
Gen 1 counterparts: Oddish and Bellsprout line, Electabuzz, Jynx, Magmar, Mr. Mime, the trade evo's, Caterpie and Weedle line, Pinsir and Scyther. Some of them changed.
In gen 2, Heracross became Pinsir counterpart, while Oddish and Bellsprout lost counterpart status. You can argue Oddish and Poliwag are counterparts in Johto, then we got both Scizor and Steelix. Both evolve via Metal Coat, so Onix line and Scyther line became counterparts. Mr. Mime lost counterpart status.
In gen 4, Jynx lost counterparts status with Electabuzz and Magmar, but it became a counterpart to Mr. Mime once again, while Rhyhorn line joined Electabuzz and Magmortar as counterparts.
In gen 6, the counterparts were once again shaken up again, since Machamp and Golem lost their counterpart status with Alakazam and Gengar, since the latter 2 got Mega's, while the former 2 didn't. They haven't basically gotten counterpart status with eachother anymore, since Golem got Alolan form, while Machamp and Gengar got Gigantamax form.
@@bromicorn actually, Onix and Scyther became counterparts.
Both are 2 stage lines and evolve into Steelix and Scizor via Metal Coat.
I still have no idea why Pinsir can't learn Megahorn. The move is practically tailor made for it!
Mkay, I needed something to watch
We gonna talk about how Corpipsh is stated not to be from Hoenn, and seemingly, every other region they are in currently
True, I do love Corphish so hopefully we can nail that down at some point...
I actually created my own region with my friend a few years ago, and we included a Legendary trio of Ghost-types, and they've all got the starter types as well! They're based on the spirits of Celtic druids.
We know the SS anne goes to France, I would say the only reason anyone has a Mr Mime (a pokemon you couldn't catch in kanto) would be traders from Kalos
Big props for such an interesting concept for a video. Keep it up!
1:38 well it could have happened like this:
Galarian zigzagoon left and went to another region. Then it adapted to that region. Then after becoming the normal version a population of them split up.
Isn't the Alolan Exeggcutor the "original" version? If that's the case, what's the difference between it and the Zigzagoon line? I mean, sure, that's probably easier to argue because the sunlight would help it grow, but it's still the same deal.
The difference is trees growing smaller in less sunlight is science; common mammals only being edgy in Britain is hogwash...
They never said that the Alolan Exeggcutor is "the original." Rather, it is how Exeggcutor is meant to look with the proper amount of sunlight. But the Kanto Exeggcutor is just as original, simply not receiving as much sunlight.
Gourgeist in Unova would also make a Coven of witches, and you know Salmen, Halloween and stuff that'd be pretty cool!
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@@UltaFlame Oh it was meant to be "Salem" SHUAHSAUHSAU I didn't see my mistake. But thank you anyway
I like mandjtv's theory where there are more than 1 Regis and each continent and island has a regi trio and a regigas but the galar regigas got creative and creat regieleki and regidrago
Aegislash could've been the legendary for sword and shield and you wouldn't even have to change it stats or anything about it
Semi-ironically, they changed the stats of Aegislash in SwSh.
I don't know about making it a Legend, but it certainly should be a Galar region Pokémon.
With all pokemon regional variants included (also doubling up pokemon who evolve into a variant like Marowak and wheezing) what would your regions look like if you could create an origins dex with 117 pokemon per region(117 is max number of pokemon plus variants divided by 8)
scientifically, avian dinosaurs = birds; non-avian dinosaurs = dinos; archosaurs = dinosaur look-alikes, such as gators & pterodactyls
Exactly; Aerodactyl wouldn't be considered avian, but has the same qualities that would have allowed those avian fossils to be found there in the first place.
@@emperorcubone when you started mentioning Johto, I thought you'd make Aeroboi the Johto fossil.
Diamond was the first main series game I owned (I played Emerald first, but it was owned by my classmate), so I thought Roselia was a Sinnoh Pokémon, since it has Budew and Roserade as pre- and final evolutions.
So after I gained the National Dex, I was confused that Roselia had suddenly moved away from Sinnoh and into Hoenn, and thus I learned it was from Hoenn.
In the past, I kept thinking Miltank, Nosepass, Togepi and Wobbuffet were all in Gen 1, and that Tangela was not in Gen 1, mostly because I keep forgetting about its existence. I think Tangela might be the most forgettable Gen 1 Pokémon.
Speaking of Togepi, since you only get it as an Egg in Johto but can find them in the wild in Diamond and Pearl, and since Togekiss exists, Togepi might actually be from Sinnoh.
And then of course there are wild Munchlax in Sinnoh, which means there might be wild Snorlax as well, even if you can't catch them, while there are only 2 Snorlax in Kanto, which might have been shipped there from Sinnoh or something.
Riolu and Lucario, however, do not appear to be native to Sinnoh, since you can only get it as an Egg, while it does exist in the wild in Unova, Kalos and Alola. I'm not certain which region Lucario could have originated from, though since it's based on the Anubis, it might originate from an Egyptian region that we don't have access to yet.
At the very least, Riolu is not native to Sinnoh.
It also seems Zorua and Zoroark are not native to Unova, since they're event-only Pokémon and can't be found in the wild. Zorua can, however, be found in the wild in Hoenn and Alola, so they may originate from either of those regions, or maybe somewhere else, but at least they're native there.
I think it's kinda crazy that they made a non-legendary evolutionary line an event-only Pokémon, in the same generation it was introduced, and you can only get them by transferring SPECIAL SHINY LEGENDARIES and a SPECIAL MYTHICAL Pokémon over. Like, instead of giving it as an Egg like with Riolu in Sinnoh, GameFreak is just like "Nope, gotta make this one harder to get!"
And then of course there's Spiritomb who really can't be found in the wild... ANYWHERE. It's always just the one event one, or you have to go through a lot to get one to appear, like talk to 32 people in the Underground or Crown Tundra or whatever.
Spiritomb is a really weird non-legendary Pokémon. It made sense before gen 6 when it had no weaknesses, but there was also Sableye with the same typing but could still be found in the wild, though it might be because Spiritomb is stronger than Sableye, but still.
After gen 6 though, it has a weakness, yet it's still only found as an "event", while others like Riolu and Zorua can be found in the wild after the generation they were introduced in.
Spiritomb is a weird one...
The pumpkaboo line being in unova region would make further sense because pumpkin based Jack o lanterns didn't happen till America where pumpkins were originally found and the unova region is based on east coast of America.
Why was Regigigas imprisoned away from its servants?
Maybe that was the entire point...
Come to think of it, that also might help explain it's slow start ability: it has been away from it's creations for so long now that it lost the power it once had as a result of it's connection to them.
Imagine how fast 5 turns goes by in a live pokemon battle
My thought on Regigas has been they wanted to keep the master regi far far away from the others. Especially since in some cases it seems the others are keys to unseal the lock on Regigas.
Ok for your first one i flat out disagree with you. I can totally buy it. The galar region was the original home of the zigzagoon line. The original enviroment was so harsh that that it needed that third evolution. However when it is transported to other region like hoen the environment their is more friendly to their species and thus the zigzagoon lines becomes more docile. And since every other region is less harsh to the zigzagoon line it becomes the more docile variant it makes sense. Also your raichu example is wrong because raichu is explicitly stated as a regional variant while the galarian ziggy line is the original line.
You used a mr mime on your thumb nail, I didn't see you mention the mr mime line.. why does it have a baby form in sinoh region?
Mime junior was probably intended as gimmicky pokemon for Hearthome city super contest. It may have been introduced in gen 3 games too as Mime jr made debute in anime season prior to D&P and with Mime jr Jessie made a bunch of super contests! In between 3 years of R&S and the anime episode, development came to a conclusion what like Mr. Mime's pre-evolution would be and so it didn't make it to its real origin region game. Who knows if super contest actually only exist in DPPt because of Mime junior's slow development?
Just going to say, Mainland Zigzagoon's calmer nature was explained somewhat lol. It branched off due to having less need to be aggressive, which would also explain the lack of Obstagoon since they're all about being aggressive. Not saying it's the best explanation, but even then, using Galarian Corsola as a comparison doesn't work since we also know they they died off in Galar due to Eternatus
Swana should’ve been from Galar since the Queen is famous for owing all Swans in the UK.
Huh, I didn't realize that. At least they got her dogs in there...
Who says a Pokémon species couldn't evolve (in the traditional sense) and then only that evolved form was transported to other regions for whatever reasons? It would be like transporting Galapagos tortoises all over the world while restricting other tortoise species to their natural habitats. It may be somewhat unlikely, but it's still perfectly feasible, especially if the non-Galarian Zigzagoon was preferred by most humans for some reason such as making for more well-behaved pets.
Meanwhile, Linoone obviously lost the ability to evolve into Obstagoon as part of its "evolution" into its other form.
The Hoenn Regis were exported from Sinnoh and sealed far away from Regigigas. This was done because the people at that time feared it and didn't want it getting loose. And it does fit with the others in creating the world, it towed the continents with ropes into their current positions.
I had the same opinion on obstagoon/galarian zigzagoon but the Shield dex entry makes it slightly more bearable. If its galarian form is simply the oldest iteration of zigzagoon, then it’s believable the hoennian iteration eventually came to exist, whereupon it eventually reached more regions as opposed to the galarian form & it’s evolution. Still think they should make hoennian obstagoon though
I can see the Galarian Zigzagoon being the original. If some time, thousands of years ago, the Pokémon world was more clumped together like Pangea, maybe the Galarian ones formed first, some moved to another part of the world, got separated eventually by the world shifting, and then those ones evolved (like Darwin evolution, not Pokémon) into being the way they are because idk, maybe it helped them blend in with the duller colored grass and trees of nature, while the Galarian ones just never happened to come across that genetic mutation, but instead evolved (Darwin sense) to have an evolution (in the Pokémon sense, being Obstagoon). Now is that all just something I made up in my head? Yes. Was Pokémon just BSing because they wanted to make the Galarian forms more interesting? Yes. But I just think it’s a fun possibility. Also, great video!
Roselia kinda makes sense
to get Roserade and Budew you need to find its correct evolution stone and breeding item which can only be found in the Sinnoh region after all a regional pokedex is literally based on not just the Pokémon native to the region but also the type of items that are only found in those said regions
Tyrantrum should’ve been Unovan. Who associates T. rex with French?
If it makes it any better, my fanmade region, the Anteria region has a regional variant of Shelmet that's based on the apple snail.
Here’s a plausible fan theory- The Zigzagoon we were introduced to in RSE are a Hoenn variant. Both the Hoenn and Galarian variants were accidentally introduced to other regions, but since the Galarian variant evolves into Obstagoon, it was hunted to extinction in every region it was introduced to because it was too destructive to the native Pokemon. The Hoenn Zigzagoon line was allowed to stay because it wasn’t invasive enough to be worth the effort to hunt to extinction.
I would certainly want to hunt Obastgoon too, so I would believe this...
It's very possible that zigzagoon moved from galar to hoenn, changed and that form moved to other regions. And because of the lack of evolutionary pressure, or maybe just the linoones not being strong enough, meaning they didn't need to evolve, or just couldn't, and so obstagoon was trapped in galar.
I'm sure someone has already said it - but the Zigzagoon issue is because of the European badger - the only other European region prior to Gen IX was Kalos. While the Hoenn version does show up there, that is one fluke, it not appearing in any other region actually makes sense as an American Badger would be in Unova, and the Tanuki version is the one that makes sense for Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh
And Regigigas is easily explained as he is part of a creation myth, as it was said to have pulled the continents into their present positions
I mean, they literally said the same thing they said about Galarian Zigzagoon about Alolan Exeggcutor (and it is also implied to be the case with Vulpix), and that's how Darwinian Evolution works.
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Zigzagoon is native to galar and was removed and brought to anither region therefore causeing it to change and loes a form it didnt need in this new area and then it was brought to more regions and stayed the same way as it needed no more changes and people liked it better than the galar one but thats just me
Just so you know Im Negative about Regigigas , Afterall there was an Episode in Seasons 10-12 Where the Last Gym Leader of the Battle Frontier , Showed us the way to Regigigas , Which was in the temple , There are multiple other Regis that were most likely taken due to specific circumstances , Also The Battle Frontier Brain was the Moving temple that kept moving and moving.
This list (and some of the comments) just goes to show that there has been quite a lot of the Pokémon series that game freak just kinda made spontaneous decisions without future planning when it comes to their game design and if they did have future plans for some of the games, it wasn’t fleshed out very well or they just messed up with some of the decisions. I still play many of the Pokémon games but sometimes I think either game freak didn’t know what they were doing or were trolling people (if you think they haven’t trolled people then you’re wrong)
I feel like the Pumpkaboo line would’ve made more sense for the Galar region seeing as Jack O’Lanterns came from Ireland, which is right next to the UK
the Regis are sealed in Hoenn (and I guess in galar too) in an effort to make it more difficult to find the keys to wake Regigigas bc of how powerful and dangerous they are
Nice “it can be better” reference
Great reasoning for roselia
@Emperor Cubone
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I personally think Regigigas is from Galar.
Look at the Wild Area names for some locations, or even the Dynamax Phenomenon...
Giant's Cap- Regirock
Giant's Mirror- Regice
Giant's Seat- Registeel
Giant's Bed- Regidrago
Giant's Foot- Regieleki
"Regirock, Regice, and Registeel were formed of a special rock, ice, and magma by Regigigas. They can never be destroyed... Ancient Humans sealed them away due to fear of their powers."
"Regidrago was created by Regigigas using crystalized draconic energy. It meant to create the strongest Dragon-Type Pokémon, but ran out of materials, so it is just a head."
"Regieleki was born of pure electricity, created by Regigigas. Ancient Humans fitted it with a restrictive harness, limiting its full powers for fear of it running wild."
"Regigigas is said to have one time towed Continents with ropes. It created several smaller Pokémon that are said to look like it out of a special rock, iceberg, magma, draconic energy, and electricity. It was sealed deep away so that it wouldn't run wild."
It's safe to assume that due to timelines//multiverse(?), Regigigas has been sealed away in every Region's Myths, but was always meant to come from Galar.
Why else name your Region's locations after literal giants??? Even the Turrfield Hill drawing can be interpreted as Regigigas.
*"Head of UNYIELDING rock. Arms of ETERNAL ice. Torso of OTHERWORLDLY metal. Legs of CRYSTALLINE dragon. Feet of INFINITE electricity."*
I mean if the gala region might be the only area where it fits it’s niche, the other zigs might be more generalist and are able to live in a verity of places
The reason why zigzagoon look different everywhere else is because they devolved to suit the more relaxed environments they didn’t need to evolve into obstagoon because survival isn’t as harsh and intense
So when galarian zigzagoon was brought to other regions it devolved to adapt
So being the first makes some sense
Despite them living in more peaceful area they still have ability to resist kidnappers such as Prof. Birch, the odds were even as Birch kept spamming tail whip and Zigzagoon used growl!
I've always thought of baby pokemon like they were preemies. Like they got exposed to incense and didnt fully develop. So rosalia didnt need to come from budew, rosalia is really the base and produces other rosalia normally unless exposed to incense. So they got there by being roselia.
6. You dont understand how regional species work? Also, There is no alolan pichu or pikachu.
5. You dont understand how fossils work. Try using the fact that Aerodactyl comes from Amber instead of bone fossils or the fact that there is a mega stone for it(kalos)
4. I like it.
3. I like it, also in beta the swapping duo weren't connected.
2. Totally, I headcanon do this with most babysitter that come after an evolution.
1. The regis aren't servants, they are his children. He gets around.
Well actually given that regieleki and regidrago were introduced in hisui(sinnoh in the past) I’d say it’s safe to assume that the original regi’s aren’t actually from hoenn and at some point in the past for whatever reason moved to hoenn……maybe some ancient battle was going down in hisui and they were able to escape while regigas/eleki/drago ended up staying and getting sealed away
I have the intention of making a UA-cam channel and making a series similar to this. Glad I can credit you for this idea.
This would be a great idea for a whole series. Can't wait to watch it!
@@emperorcubone thanks that means a lot coming from you! Your channel is a big reason that I decided that I wanted to give YT a try. You, Lockstin, and Birdkeeper Toby are what I’m modeling my channel after.
Well jellicent and frillish wasn't originally supposed to be Ghost type it was supposed to be just plain water but they wanted to mix it up a bit
I liken Obstragoon to Australia and its mammals. I know mammals are not the narrowly defined species like Zigzagoon line, but Australian mammals are so different from mammals on any other continent. Different biological pressures to evolve and whatnot.
Gamefreak explained the original Galar Zigzagoon behaved that way because of scarce food in the region which is also the reason why it lost the dark typing in other regions due to better conditions. It seems like a plausible theory to me. For example, (say) the African elephants could be only from Africa and be the OG species but the Asian elephant is seen throughout Asia.
For me it’s Slugma.
It’s never used by trainers in Johto, and it’s only available in the Kanto postgame. In Hoenn, they are very commonly found in the fiery pass, and used by many trainers. Flannery (the fire type gym leader) uses a Slugma on her team. For years I thought Slugma and Magcargo were from Hoenn, and introduced in Gen III. I also know a few think Skarmory and Natu were from Gen III also.
4:10 yes, but please consider sunflora
If it were designed a bit different then sure, but Gourgiest could be good as is!
In Reggigigas defence, i always saw it that Reggigigas was contained in another Region so it won´t wake up
Also mr. mime in kalos cause well mimes are known to be from france
That's why it's on the thumbnail, buddy!
Lol I like how he says in the beginning that it’s crazy for zigzagoon to have a third evolution in one region and then the rest of the video talks about how common it is for Pokémon to have evolutions from specific regions.
The crazy part is just that it's "supposed" to be the real one when we've never seen it before...
@@emperorcubone oooh! Ok, Gotcha. My mistake!
@@emperorcubone well galar is where the species originated from. However the I can totally see it being plausible. In galar the environment is harsh enough to where the species required a third evolution to survive. However once exported to the hoen and other similar regions the environmental pressures allowed the species to become docile. Once it was docile it was more advantageous for the species to loose obstagoon as an evoltuion since it no longer needed it to survive. Which lead to the more docile variant being more successful everywhere else around the world except for galar.
Maybe Zigzagoon were just simply introduced into Hoenn, evolved (dawinian wise) into different Zigzagoons without having Obstagoon due to the Hoenn region being way more tame than the Galar region, and then through human activity were introduced super recently into every other region they appear in since
The Beldum line are meant to be from Hoenn, but are never found in Hoenn. But they are found naturally in Unova and Alola, as well as the Crown Tundra. I reckon Steven liked the Beldum line so much (he does say Beldum is his favourite Pokemon) that during his travels, he caught a Beldum and simply brought it back with him to Hoenn. As for the one he leaves the player, he either bred it specifically to give to the player, or he imported another one.