I went into this movie with low expectations, but I was blown away. This film was well made with its detail and story work. The offspring was creepy as hell, seeing it smile was haunting. I enjoyed it.
I just love how this film 'redeemed' the other less popular installments by incorporating key plot points into this, so every film is valued and included. No Way Home did the same with the other previous Spiderman films (TASM 1 and 2, Spider-Man 3 etc.) This is a sharp contrast to Halloween franchise that kept rebooting itself, which I find a bit disrespectful to the previous installments.
PERFECTION. I saw Erik in the thumbnail(yay he’s on the breakroom!), I hit play and see Coy in the teaser clip, and I think to myself “yesss two of my favorites, if Brandon is also at the desk I’m gonna be so happy” and Biggitty BAM we’ve got Brandon too - it’s the Nerdy Trinity!! 😂
i genuinely dont understand the hate and diminishing of this film. I went in, with the simple expectations of it being a Fede Alvarez film. Tight script/runtime, practical effects, and effective enough characters. I did not expect the emotional core of Andy and Rain's relationship, the amazing tonal changes, beautiful cinematography, making Xeno's intelligent again, and the interesting connection of the prequels. It was everything I expected, with another 50% of things I did not know we needed. I think you guys explain it in such a good way. It respects what came before, plays the hits, and also expands the lore for the inevitable future.
@@DVEric-d3v it finally showed a glimpse into how the Aliens hibernate/evolve so quickly. It gives background information on what happened after the events of Alien, and where the original Alien ended up. It ties in the Prometheus black goo way closer to the original movies, then Ridley Scott could do himself. It gives hint at what that black goo is capable of and why it’s so important to corporation. It also provides more context as to why the Queen Alien, in Aliens, is important to a hive. How are the Aliens immortal? Genuine stupid thought because we watched a hive get murdered off in one act of the film. Nothing states they are immortal. They are just a super intelligent species that is designed to survive. Which means you can kill a lot of them, but if one manages to get away it could create a whole new problem. Did you even watch the movie? If so, do you use your brain at all. 🤡 can’t complain about a movie being bad, when you can’t even process simple things like this.
@@JoeGrizz1y Oh my lord, can you set the bar any lower? If the Xenomorphs cocoon themselves, there would have been cocoons everywhere in Aliens. And nothing, absolutely nothing can survive in space. The Xenomorphs can't stand the cold, but they can cocoon themselves floating in freezing space? The Xenomorphs would be frozen solid within 15 minutes. And if you stop to think about it, it's physically impossible for Big Chap to build a cocoon. Big Chap had two feet of black rock around it. And yes, it is heavily implied that Xenomorphs are immortal. Romulus is terrible.
@@JoeGrizz1y It used to take at least one or two days for the impregnation process. It took a day or two for the Xenomorph to grow full size. Now everything happens in a few minutes. It's ridiculous. And to answer your question, yes, I did use my brain. That's the problem -- if you stop to think for even two minutes, everything that happens in Romulus falls apart completely -- including this film sitting between Alien and Aliens. This film doesn't even follow its own rules.
@@DVEric-d3v I agree. The film is structured to make fanboys blow their load. The film is terrible. It's well made, and nicely shot, but everything else is horrible. The cast, the story, the acting, the dialogue -- terrible.
Alien Romulus is more than about merging both Alien and Prometheus, it's a story about two siblings and how far anyone can throw away humanity to achieve their goals.
Can we just talk about how great the Xenomorphs look?! They had all the elements like the skull plus electricity to show they were biomech but somehow looked even creepier and more real. Love the use of practical effects. Great job from the creature design.
@@TheJaker5 In a scene where Kay is being hunted, the main scar Xeno, you can see a flicker of electricity in his head where the scar is. Implying that they have strong currents of electricity in their bodies. It was also said in interviews that they use the ships power to accelerate growth. Check out the "10 days left trailer " and look for about halfway through after dude gets his eye taken out by the cocoon.
Since they tied everything together, how crazy would it be if David was mother? What if somehow his body was destroyed but he managed to swap places with the main system or AI over the company similar to how he swapped places in Alien covenant. Now he uses the androids as his pawns while he secretly continue his experiments using the company as a disguise. They wouldn’t have to reboot what’s already established and would give writers an opportunity to build a wider world that we already know while keeping an interesting character around that faded away after covenant.
My favourite obsessive movie nerd and my favourite not quite as obsessive but obsessive nonetheless comic book nerd meet in the UA-cams! It's weird that this isn't about a Superhero project but I'll take it!
This is a hit podcast ready to go. I could listen to Erik and Coy talk about/debate movies all day. Brando makes a great mediator. Lets make it happen please. Even if it's once a month, please!!
One thing that Covenant hints at is David's inevitable deterioration. _"When one note is off, it eventually destroys the whole symphony David" - Walter_ This was a subtle overarching theme with David's character - his flawed superiority complex with the false expectation of immortality which his creator, Peter Weyland, claimed to him. David even remarks the engineers as being _"Mortal after all"_ - and at the beginning of Covenant, realizes how he'll serve Weyland despite his humanity - that he will die, and David won't. David has this ideology to be a creator to the perfect organism - an undying god. But what's clear by the end of Prometheus, Walter's engagement with David, and Andy in Romulus is... ...David is yet another imperfect, mortal, killable being in the universe. He wanted to create an equal, being the Xenomorph - but that too is killable. Had we got a Covenant sequel, we could've seen the humanity of David start to show more nakedly, as the synthetic nature of him deteriorated, and he started to 'lose' his bearings. It could've been a great way to bring back Noomi Repace as a hallucination - and even Guy Pearce. But would also be a last ditch effort to explain what the company KNEW about the Alien.
It could be that not only W-Y but other megacorps have the same directive to mine ancient alien tech. Just like Rick Sanchez always checks out an SOS loking for derelicts and their booty.
I really enjoyed this movie. I cannot wait for another sequel. Andy may be my second fav character behind Ripley of course. I just downloaded Isolation and man this game is scary. Can’t believe I missed this.
Someone asked me what I thought of Romulus and I told them it was my 3rd fav movie in the franchise, and they thought i was crazy. Im glad to see that others think the same. (Aliens, Alien, Romulus, Promethus/3 [Tie], Covenant, Resurection)
MOST reviewers have said it's easily the 3rd best. Seeing as most of the entries other than the 1st 2 are terrible I don't know why your friend was surprised. It's not that hard to nab the 3 spot. Which movies did your friend think were better?
@@russelldriver2476resurrection has a lot of great things going for it. It’s always an enjoyable watch when it comes on. I think people have just had the ending with the baby alien stuck in their mind and judge the whole movie on that. Every time I re-watch it, I like it more than the last, including the ending.
When you put the Shaw events to the side, David's story is really fascinating, I saw Covenant yesterday again and I saw it in a new very different light, the first times I saw it in 2017 I was a bit mad and disappointed by the fact that they cut off Shaw and the engineers from the story, this time was different.
David the rise of a Dark Messiah of taking the error of the Engineers and then raising it to eleven. Yes I see the religious implications of his story arc.
Forgive my rant. I enjoyed the movie as an Alien fan. I liked the heist idea. I have only seen one screening so far, lol, but I have been waiting for someone to mention this. Aliens implies that they never picked up Riley’s message from 57 years ago. They state they retrieved it from the lifeboat when they found her. Now the company or some scientific off shoot of the company actually picked up her message long before she stumbled into a random system. It caught my attention right away but they also kept repeatedly stating how they retrieved the alien she shot out of the air lock which they would only know if they heard her recording. and intentionally never retrieved her. I cant get over how messed up it is that they intentionally found her and didn’t retrieve her, bur it is also not surprising. If they picked up her beacon they knew exactly where she was and chose to leave her for dead. Maybe they will revisit this somehow in later movies. The minute that girl revealed she was pregnant I said “ oh we are calling back to Requiem? “. The excavation of the Alien from space and the cocoon felt like a nod to The Thing, one of my favorite movies. Rook in the monitors kept reminding me of The Red Queen in Resident Evil.
There are many people who'd disagree. But I'm not one of them. David was such a good character and Michael Fassbender carried it like he's the King of Kings
Say and think what you want I f'ing loved Prometheus and Covenant and I'm dissapointed that we may never get a thrid movie in the David trilogy. What a badass character David is/was. Oh well. Love the first two movies like everybody else. I really enjoyed the 3rd but I understand why fans didn't like it. Didn't watch 4. HATE AvP movies what a bad idea they don't exist in my head canon. F'ing LOVED Romulus. Bring Fede back for another please!
So in the book out of the shadows, ash had uploaded part of himself into muther and the Narcissus what if it wasn’t just the narcissus and maybe they had recovered data from the nostromo(similar to isolation) and Ash had infected the Rook synthetic so that’s why he says the same things ash did to ripley
Even better on the second viewing: you're so overwhelmed the first time, the second reveals more layers, details and structure to the film making, which is THAT GOOD!
imo while I didn’t love the idea of seeing a CGI Ian Holm I did think it was the right move as it directed our attention to Alien 1 because he cited that they were retrieving the xenomorph Ripley launched out of the air lock. If I saw Fassbender, I would definitely be thinking Prometheus
I had a great time with this film. Back to the claustrophobic horror from the first one, but still some great action like in the second one. It was awesome.
If you want a carbon copy of the first two films, you might as well just watch Alien and Aliens. What's the point of a movie without a single original idea?
Yes but this movie dove into other things like the aliens biology,its resilience making a cocoon in space,its ability to heal itself rapidly,immune to disease all that,talks more about how it’s the perfect organism
@@bladethebeast2 That scene made no sense. Alien blood just freezes into place with the gravity turned off. The acid would float over to the wall, and burn through the ship. Then again, ever since Aliens, the acid blood only burns through things when the screenplay calls for it.
@@Ninjersey1 Seriously? After all the Alien movies, the Xenomorphs are suddenly immortal? They can build a cocoon around themselves in space? Terrible writing.
So now after watching this movie I'm thinking that the planet from Covenant where we see the more human like engineers might have used the black goo to evolve themselves into the huge strong looking engineers that was in Prometheus.
I was actually thinking a bit the opposite: it could be another planet the Engineers "seeded" with life like Earth but instead of humans becoming the dominant lifeforms, it was those humanoids that had more blatant Engineer characteristics. It might also explain why we see in Prometheus that they were planning to "start over" by bioweapon bombing Earth yet the planet in Covenant had clearly been left alone by them, perhaps viewed as more of a success? 🤔 But either theory is certainly possible!
Good discussion guys! Personally all the call backs and references in Romulus makes it impossible to rank above Alien 3, which despite being a bit of a mess, at least stands on its own. Romulus is slicker and better executed, and it is a very satisfying watch, but the abundance of ‘member-berries just dragged it down and pulled me out too much. That and it committed the same cardinal sin as Alien 4-6 by making the Alien a secondary threat to another giant monster. But Romulus is still easily the fourth best in the series! Had a great time with it at the theater.
You know what, the way I see the black goo wasn't made by the Engineers, I think the black goo comes from the Xenomorphs and the Engineers discovered them and reverse engineered it. Remember the Alien mural on the wall in Prometheus, that's how they knew about them and they figured that the Xenomorphs were a great weapon. This is how Rook and the team on the Romulus were able to discover the goo because the reverse engineered it. Maybe the ship that crashed on LV426 was the Engineers transporting eggs for experimentation, but one of the face huggers got out which killed the pilot (But what happened to the chest burster :P ) Anyways, that's my thoughts :)
The liquid used to create life at the beginning of Prometheus is gold. It’s the blood of the lord of the engineers. Completely different from the black goo that the engineers created later on in an attempt to recreate this blood
I cannot conceive of a better idea in this franchise, than Trachtenberg and Alvarez getting together to make an AVP sequel! The two of them would take a poorly conceived AVP franchise, and elevate it to greatness. ..and I enjoy the two AVP movies! They were just hindered by poor writing and creative choices, here and there (not to mention Requiem being WAY too dark, in order to create an artificial sense of suspense).
David has probably went to the engineers ships thought the galaxy took the black goo and replaced it with eggs sent out a signal knowing some lifeforms will find it and create xenomorpths. He's kinda Immortal and knows the engineers tech so I can imagine he's going to every engineers seed plants to replace them with xenos
Some of the lore around the black goo has been verified by ridley Scott and the earlier prometheus scripts. The engineers were apparently unable to create life so they travelled across space and found the "original facehugger" which impregnated one of them with a deacon, the engineers viewed the deacon as biologically perfect (which they worshipped). The engineer that offered himself as sacrifice was the same one they built a statue for in prometheus who they referred to as the chosen one. The engineers were attempting to perfect themselves using the blood of the deacon (which is what was being drank at the beginning of prometheus), this failed and humans were created instead. This is why engineers decided that humans should be wiped out as they were a failed experiment. The black goo is the engineers attempt at recreating the blood of the deacon after it died.
I'm sure people that are in a certain trade notice things in movies that don't make sense. mine was the scene when they were in one room while brining an ajoining rooms temperature up to 98.6f to be invisible to the face huggers. which means the room they were in was lower. most likely 70f. as soon as they open the door the heat in the room with the face huggers would immediately rush to the cooler room the humans were in. that 98.6f room temp would've dropped at least 15 degrees to equalize. as soon as they step into the face hugger room they'd be 99+ in a room that's suddenly 85f. they'd be instantly visible until the heat could be brought up in both areas now.
They did use an animatronic of Ian Holm's face. Legacy Effects managed to find a life cast at Weta Workshop that had been used for Lord of the Rings. There's a combination of animatronic Ian Holm and deepfake over Daniel Betts's face to make the final version (along with Respeecher over Betts's vocal performance)
(Ranking below) As someone new to the franchise I’ve always really like Prometheus and ranked it highly. And maybe because I didn’t have years of not decades to theorize on the origins it’s very easy for me to accept David being the creator and the black goo and so much of it. I have yet to watch Alien 3 and Resurrection so I will update once I’ve watched - Alien Romulus - Alien (I know but I watch this movie days before seeing Romulus so it doesn’t have the benefit of me feeling it’s groundbreaking history like most people who watched it so long ago) - Prometheus - Alien Covenant - Aliens
Also the human/alien hybrid zucked his mama’s teet at the end. It’s like a Oroborus theme throughout the Alien films . Using ancient imagery to mirror what happens in the film and the mythology of creation in the Alien/Predator/Blade Runner cinematic universe
Arrival of Big Chap was like “somehow palpatine returned.” I need to know where the face huggers came from. Also, zero gravity yet there was water only in one room that the door wouldn’t close all the way. Other than that, I loved every bit of this movie, yes even the ending.
My theory pre-viewing that would have explained the multitude of facehuggers was that Ash had transmitted the facehugger DNA sequences to Weyland-Yutani via MUTHUR after we see him dissecting the dead one from Kane. He clearly had some sort of access to it based on the "crew expendable science officer eyes only" special order. So then WY set up Renaissance Station to essentially 3D print facehugger based on that data. Discrepancies could result in the darker and barb-legged facehuggers we see in the movie. They also name dropped "Plagiarus propetens" which is straight from the "Alien: The Cold Forge" novel which tells us it is found specifically within the facehuggers and is what jumpstarts the chestburster process. Having that many facehuggers on ice would give them plenty of samples to, ahem, "milk" for lack of a better term... With what we see in Romulus, I know we're told by Rook that they got the "plagiarus" samples from the Big Chap itself, but that still doesn't explain all of the facehuggers...the only possible explanation is that they sacrificed dozens of people to the Big Chap to "eggmorph" and eventually get facehuggers...but seems like a much more lengthy process to me 🤷♂️ Obviously WY would have no compunction against the sacrifice, but acquiring enough people who wouldn't be noticed as missing might also present a problem if we recall that the USM in the far future was outsourcing that kind of acquisition to mercenaries, presumably to keep an extra buffer of deniability.
@@itsahostiletakeover yeah… that all sounds probable, but when it’s such a big leap ON SCREEN, I need a little more exposition. I’m in for the ride, but I need to know a little more about how we got here. If you think about it, the Alien franchise - for better or worse - has always gone out of its way to make sure we see/understand the lifecycle. I’m ok with the “black goo” makes it happen, and “it’s just science” ( again recalling “somehow palpatine returned”) but show us something more… Also, If WY’s goal was not xeno drones as weapons, but rather black goo as a genetic mutant, they don’t need to make xenos to reverse engineer the goo, the xenos are a byproduct. They just get the sequence for the goo and move on.
I’m thankful to experience the first alien and this one- I believe I saw Prometheus but don’t remember much of it. Romulus had me on edge the whole time, I was just so on edge. The smile of the last villain really is the most evil dark part of the movie. Also I just doubt that they could have swam through all that acid without getting touched just a bit?
To be completely fair, the original actor of Ashe in Alien wanted publicly to be brought back into the alien franchise and he was very upset about not ever being brought back, this was known well by his family and those who worked with him. Using his likeness knowing he would've wanted to do the role while also doing the role well and having his family enjoy and sign off on it seems like all the permission you need. It's weird to think about hindsight permissions of likeness back then when this stuff like deepfakes isa very recent development. The only weird thing was really some of the cgi around his face but it's an android so the uncanny valley works. Plus it was probably a combination of puppetry and cgi. Could it have been better, sure, but it also cost money and time. Also it stands to reason that specific models of likeness would be used for specific androids and their specialties. Of course different androids can always take the role, but in the grand scheme of a corpo mass producing androids, likeness would be universally common for some roles these androids are in.
This film was a breath of fresh air. I am about yalls age so Resurrection was also "my" Alien film. Combine that with it being one of those TV movies that just always seems to be on in the late 90s. It was not all that exciting to watch. I've seen Alien and Aliens in small independent theaters a few times. Romulus is the only other film in the series that legit feels like the viewer expectations going into an Alien film are met. Prometheus and Covenant are cool too, but they have a totally different feel to them. When I want to watch an Alien film, those don't apply.
This film is incredible from beginning to end and I enjoyed world building of last two. Terrifying in a cool way and tremendous action. 4th act gave it that something extra after being lulled in but knew injecting herself with compound was hanging there
Interesting to see the variety of rankings. Beyond having the same top three and last place as Brandon and Coy, it’s incredibly difficult to give a definitive ranking of the remaining three films, especially since there would be distinct differences between listing them in order of the most enjoyable/entertaining watch vs the films’ the overall quality. Then there’s the stark difference between the Theatrical Release of Alien 3 vs the Assembly Cut, which reportedly hews much closer to Fincher’s vision of the film.
Supposedly it is their lord deacons blood, this lord deacon died and they were trying to recreate bit it turned into a bio weapon and killed the engineers off except the 1 in crio-sleep.
@@NorthLVLowRoller but the destructive black goo was in the vials and was ready to go to earth to destroy the human species. the black goo being deacon blood is something I never heard and is very interesting. I dig it.
@moviereelnews check out the "kroft talks deacon" video, it gets deep into the parts of the script that were never explained in the movie. There's almost a communion type of scene that was supposed to open the movie that another engineer bends down and gives the cup to engineer that sacrificed himself and says "take this, the blood of our lord". Pretty wild interesting x1000 stuff was completely left out of this movie.
@NorthLVLowRoller interesting kroft has done a lot of videos on alien and prometheus I need to find it somewhere. does it answer if there's one substance to create and one to destroy?
I think the substance the engineer consumed was refined from the black goo. It seems that the black goo is life essence itself and what David, engineers, and humans do is modify it to meet specific needs. The alien xenomorph and all its subsets is what you get when things go wrong.
How can a "holographic" image of the black goo vase can be in this movie? I mean I saw it, but the only way for the humans to know about that vase shape is from the planet seen on Prometheus. (meaning another crew was sent there at some point in time?) or by David returning to earth and giving humanity this knowledge (highly improbable...). I don't know... Maybe the scientists on Romulus recreated this black goo from the alien itself, that I can understand, but that vase shape? How?
I personally love the addition to the life cycle and it makes total sense in my opinion and its looks are on par with the rest of the imagry of H.R. Gieger.
I loved this movie so much and what I noticed in the theater was everyone showed so much respect that not even a sound of a person chewing popcorn was heard lol until later on after the first 15 min
None of the scientists in Resurrection seem to have any knowledge of, or interest in, any black goo compound so I am guessing that technology either didn't make it to that century or was abandoned. I want the franchise to fill in some of the gaps between the time of Alien 3 and Resurrection.
its gross to imagine but with the Trilobite a man was infected with The Black Goo, which we now know wouldn't have immediate visual affects but alter you eventually. He has sex with an infertile Shaw leaving his altered genetic material within her. The Black Goo would then "Heal her womb" allowing her body to act as an Ovomorph (Alien Face hugger Egg) to house his Black Goo Xenomorphized sperm, which grows into the Trilobite, which has face hugger properties. Where as with Kay, she gave birth to a Black Goo infused human. Potentially if left alive long enough, like the rat, I speculate Kay and Holloway would have began to morph into a being similar to the Offspring. In Promethus we see the Engineer "Sacrifice" drink Black Goo and breakdown into micro organisms that would eventually become life, where as The Black Goo Infecting Kay has been modified to not just breakdown at the cellular level and reconstitute Engineer like.
wasn't there an episode with Jessica Clemons and Gina Ippolito? The thumbnail was like BEST ALIEN MOVIE EVER? or something? is it me?!?!? *insert thinking emoji*
The sequel to this should be Rain and Andi arriving at the Yvaga planet only to find it’s under David’s control. It’s described as a “paradise” to lure in people that are done with Weyland Youtani. The reason for “no synthetics” is because they could potentially ruin David’s rule.
In terms of using dead actor's likenesses posthumously I get why some feel it is ghoulish but I also think if you seek permission & don't betray the nature of the original character I have less issue with. However let's not pretend that people who get involved in entertainment don't crave attention and aspire to leave a legacy. Of course that might not be true for everyone in the industry but it applies to a majority of the people. Additionally I think the person's relationship to the role & experience on the film should be a factor. If someone hated the role or wanted to forget that they had anything to do with a film would not be someone who would be ok with posthumous usage. If an actor is on the record; having an opinion about doing sequels, revisiting roles, about why the stayed in/left the industry or how they live their life off screen should be factored into posthumous usage. For example if someone wanted to do a sequel involving an actor like Daniel Day Lewis (I get no role or movie he has done would warrant a reprisal it is just an example of an actor who is extremely selective about roles) permission should be denied because he has expressed his opinions and would never be interested in being used posthumously. Whereas someone like Sylvester Stallone has demonstrated a willingness to revist roles & participate in sequels so using him posthumously wouldn't be problematic unless he explicitly stated otherwise. Now of course there is nuance and I get that down the road the person who controls an estate will be someone who never knew the actor. In that case deferring to their public record should be the first consideration then seeking permission from the estate.
Seems like above all else the black goo is an agent of chaos, if the black goo was sentient enough to have its own perspective, I think it would consider humanity to be the "perfect organism" given the chaotic nature of humanity, so much variety and unpredictability on an individual basis, every other species is highly predictable with the same behaviors regardless of the specimen, in this story that includes the xenomorphs and the engineers, there is an obvious "sameness" among the engineers and a total lack of individual expression or creativity, ultimately they are boring and predictable in the same way as animals and xenomorphs, but even in the very small sample group of humans that find the engineer there is a lot of variety and without knowing each of them on an individual personal level it's impossible to predict their behaviors, even the engineer has a somewhat hesitant systematic approach in dispatching them because they're all acting different (one confidently trying to persuade, one attacking with a weapon, one just standing there frozen in silence, one running for her life), unlike any other species where all specimens would react the same (all flee, all attack, all freeze, etc), this also seems to be the underlying real reason the engineers are freaked out by humanity, individuality is chaotic and uncontrollable, just like the engineers lost control of the black goo itself on their own ship, to the engineers the humans are a horror on the loose
They have a giant virtual floating globe that’s Battleworld. They let RDJ interact with it and when he clicks on regions it pulls up actors already contracted to the film. A ton of big name secrets. They tell RDJ they need the right person to rule this planet
(Spoilers) Hey, Coy, I think your perspective on Jurassic Park is totally valid as it can be kind of dumb seeing certain things on screen but I do think that Jurassic Park not going into the human-dino hybrids made the franchise get stuck and not progress because the whole point of Jurassic park is pushing the ethical and technological advancements of mankind and seeing the consequences. As for the alien-human hybrid was already done in Resurrection. So it was more of a safe bet, yet still, the way they did it in Romulus was way scarier, as it looked sort of demonic and sinister compared to just an abomination like in Resurrection. The hybrid in Romulus had no attachment to the mother they just wanted to kill the humans. While the old hybrid in Resurrection wanted cuddles from Sigourney Weaver.
With the black goo, I feel it's the same base but all different. The engineers have the base goo that for seeding live, then their modified goo to destroy worlds. David then modified the modified goo. Now, in Romulus, they took some black goo, and they even said in the Romulus movie weyland genetically modified the goo, to make a human work in Mines and not get sick. The showed on the screen the rat being able to heal after being crushed but then you see the rat in the cage all messed up, singing that weyland experiment was not a success yet.
One thing to fix that Eric has said in his breakdown and this video, nothing bad of course, but The Big Chap, and the Xenos in this film, are what are considered Drones, while the xenos in Aliens are the warriors like he says, other than that I’m so happy they enjoyed the film, I loved it so much as a long time alien fan
I think the reason Shaw had the squid thing was because it was a mutated sperm cell that came from Holloway. He had just been infected by David before he and Shaw did their "special hug". Shaw was unable to conceive children, so the sperm cell just remained in her body until it fully mutated and grew (why wouldn't there be millions of squid babies.... I don't know). But Kay was already pregnant so... um... well.... I don't know. It happened the way it did because that's the way Fede Álvarez wanted it to happen in his movie lol. It's also worth noting the Fede Álvarez specifically wanted the new creature to look similar to an engineer, because he misinterpreted what the black goo did in the Prometheus and Covenant movies. He thought the engineers came from the black goo, which is incorrect.
Shaws death is actually very necessary for David to create the alien, he was experimenting on living organisms seeing what mutations occur. He definitely experimented on Shaw to perfect the face hugger. Hence why he’s able to create the first eggs. That’s my theory on why Shaw is dead at least
Ok, here me out… I think, honestly, with how well they played their roll, it would have been extra great and creepy to have encountered another Synthetic played by David Jonsson. This way, instead of the bad CGI and already know Ash was a trickster, we have a sort of Walter vs. David scenario that has us not knowing if we can trust them and he gets to wield a third personality as Rook, too! There would have been no draw back to this, in my opinion, because we know his model exists in that time, and it adds more unknown, and them encountering another Andy-faced Synthetic would have been unnerving to them as well. Just imagine their faces flipping him over! Seriously!! There were never any throw away lines about the specified functionality of each model prior… which is why we had David and Walter, and sure there are upgrades with other faces, etc., but eliminate the throw away line, et viola. 😆 I think that would have only enhanced this film more with less relying too heavily on the old stuff, not using a dead person and doing them dirty with bad CGI, and allowing a new up and coming actor who was killing it continue to shine in this tale. Still really enjoyed the movie, but this was something I thought about a lot afterwards as an avid franchise fan.
The squid thing was mutated sperm, kay was a mutated infant...shaw was infertile so the goo never interacted with her eggs. The squid thing was a sperm cell goo'd through and through.
I will always forgive Resurrection a bit just for Call’s “all aliens please report to deck 1” line. Classic.
If you separate Ressurection from the series, it's a great fun campy action movie
😂 I loved that line too.
I went into this movie with low expectations, but I was blown away. This film was well made with its detail and story work. The offspring was creepy as hell, seeing it smile was haunting. I enjoyed it.
Exaggerate much?
@@LemonsAndSalt69guess people aren’t allowed to have an opinion
Has some like pt 4 very simular especially the end
What planet you on mate
@@Design909.they’re just a miserable person 🤷🏻♂️😂
I just love how this film 'redeemed' the other less popular installments by incorporating key plot points into this, so every film is valued and included. No Way Home did the same with the other previous Spiderman films (TASM 1 and 2, Spider-Man 3 etc.) This is a sharp contrast to Halloween franchise that kept rebooting itself, which I find a bit disrespectful to the previous installments.
Every film except aliens. Which gets shit on.
how did aliens get shit on? @@jamesday1295
@@jamesday1295 aliens is widely adored???
@@jamesday1295um what? Aliens is like the globaly accepted best alien movie, u live under a rock?
@@jamesday1295you must be thinking resurrection
PERFECTION. I saw Erik in the thumbnail(yay he’s on the breakroom!), I hit play and see Coy in the teaser clip, and I think to myself “yesss two of my favorites, if Brandon is also at the desk I’m gonna be so happy” and Biggitty BAM we’ve got Brandon too - it’s the Nerdy Trinity!! 😂
WE OUT HERE
Biggity BAM for sure 😂🔥🎉
i genuinely dont understand the hate and diminishing of this film. I went in, with the simple expectations of it being a Fede Alvarez film. Tight script/runtime, practical effects, and effective enough characters. I did not expect the emotional core of Andy and Rain's relationship, the amazing tonal changes, beautiful cinematography, making Xeno's intelligent again, and the interesting connection of the prequels. It was everything I expected, with another 50% of things I did not know we needed. I think you guys explain it in such a good way. It respects what came before, plays the hits, and also expands the lore for the inevitable future.
Expands the lore? Romulus added nothing to the Alien franchise - except now the Xenomorphs are immortal. It’s just another terrible Alien movie.
@@DVEric-d3v it finally showed a glimpse into how the Aliens hibernate/evolve so quickly. It gives background information on what happened after the events of Alien, and where the original Alien ended up. It ties in the Prometheus black goo way closer to the original movies, then Ridley Scott could do himself. It gives hint at what that black goo is capable of and why it’s so important to corporation. It also provides more context as to why the Queen Alien, in Aliens, is important to a hive. How are the Aliens immortal? Genuine stupid thought because we watched a hive get murdered off in one act of the film. Nothing states they are immortal. They are just a super intelligent species that is designed to survive. Which means you can kill a lot of them, but if one manages to get away it could create a whole new problem. Did you even watch the movie? If so, do you use your brain at all. 🤡 can’t complain about a movie being bad, when you can’t even process simple things like this.
@@JoeGrizz1y Oh my lord, can you set the bar any lower? If the Xenomorphs cocoon themselves, there would have been cocoons everywhere in Aliens. And nothing, absolutely nothing can survive in space. The Xenomorphs can't stand the cold, but they can cocoon themselves floating in freezing space? The Xenomorphs would be frozen solid within 15 minutes. And if you stop to think about it, it's physically impossible for Big Chap to build a cocoon. Big Chap had two feet of black rock around it. And yes, it is heavily implied that Xenomorphs are immortal. Romulus is terrible.
@@JoeGrizz1y It used to take at least one or two days for the impregnation process. It took a day or two for the Xenomorph to grow full size. Now everything happens in a few minutes. It's ridiculous. And to answer your question, yes, I did use my brain. That's the problem -- if you stop to think for even two minutes, everything that happens in Romulus falls apart completely -- including this film sitting between Alien and Aliens. This film doesn't even follow its own rules.
@@DVEric-d3v I agree. The film is structured to make fanboys blow their load. The film is terrible. It's well made, and nicely shot, but everything else is horrible. The cast, the story, the acting, the dialogue -- terrible.
Alien Romulus is more than about merging both Alien and Prometheus, it's a story about two siblings and how far anyone can throw away humanity to achieve their goals.
"My name is Ozymandias, King of kings. Look upon my works ye mighty and despair"
Can we just talk about how great the Xenomorphs look?! They had all the elements like the skull plus electricity to show they were biomech but somehow looked even creepier and more real. Love the use of practical effects. Great job from the creature design.
What you mean “they had Electricity to show they were biomech “?
@@TheJaker5 In a scene where Kay is being hunted, the main scar Xeno, you can see a flicker of electricity in his head where the scar is. Implying that they have strong currents of electricity in their bodies. It was also said in interviews that they use the ships power to accelerate growth.
Check out the "10 days left trailer " and look for about halfway through after dude gets his eye taken out by the cocoon.
@@cajohnson130That's so dumb I hope you're mistaken
@@hen5555 Why is that dumb? They are by design bio mechs by Giger. The inclusion of sparks in the skull is F ing awesome.
@@cajohnson130 That's probably because he was literally trying to shock the cocoon with an electric rod...
God the face huggers in Romulus where so much creepier than some of the other films, the puppet feeling of them and how they move freaked me out!
Since they tied everything together, how crazy would it be if David was mother? What if somehow his body was destroyed but he managed to swap places with the main system or AI over the company similar to how he swapped places in Alien covenant. Now he uses the androids as his pawns while he secretly continue his experiments using the company as a disguise. They wouldn’t have to reboot what’s already established and would give writers an opportunity to build a wider world that we already know while keeping an interesting character around that faded away after covenant.
Holy shit that would be the plottwist of all plottwists!
I started calling the big guy “Romulus” and I had a lot of fun doing that “if that’s who Romulus is he can go back home”
Coy and eric in 1 episode? I've seen everything
CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER
@@CoyJandreauGhost Busters. I understood that reference.
My favourite obsessive movie nerd and my favourite not quite as obsessive but obsessive nonetheless comic book nerd meet in the UA-cams!
It's weird that this isn't about a Superhero project but I'll take it!
@@CoyJandreau MASS HYSTERIA!
This is a hit podcast ready to go. I could listen to Erik and Coy talk about/debate movies all day. Brando makes a great mediator. Lets make it happen please. Even if it's once a month, please!!
One thing that Covenant hints at is David's inevitable deterioration. _"When one note is off, it eventually destroys the whole symphony David" - Walter_
This was a subtle overarching theme with David's character - his flawed superiority complex with the false expectation of immortality which his creator, Peter Weyland, claimed to him.
David even remarks the engineers as being _"Mortal after all"_ - and at the beginning of Covenant, realizes how he'll serve Weyland despite his humanity - that he will die, and David won't.
David has this ideology to be a creator to the perfect organism - an undying god. But what's clear by the end of Prometheus, Walter's engagement with David, and Andy in Romulus is...
...David is yet another imperfect, mortal, killable being in the universe. He wanted to create an equal, being the Xenomorph - but that too is killable.
Had we got a Covenant sequel, we could've seen the humanity of David start to show more nakedly, as the synthetic nature of him deteriorated, and he started to 'lose' his bearings.
It could've been a great way to bring back Noomi Repace as a hallucination - and even Guy Pearce. But would also be a last ditch effort to explain what the company KNEW about the Alien.
It could be that not only W-Y but other megacorps have the same directive to mine ancient alien tech. Just like Rick Sanchez always checks out an SOS loking for derelicts and their booty.
I think Erik and Coy could easily carry a series where they debate nerdy topics, while Brandon is the comedic relief host 😂
I really enjoyed this movie. I cannot wait for another sequel. Andy may be my second fav character behind Ripley of course.
I just downloaded Isolation and man this game is scary. Can’t believe I missed this.
Still have visceral reactions when an oak leaf comes skittering towards me in the Fall. Friggin' Facehuggers.
@@RealBradMiller "visceral reactions" -- exaggerate much?
Someone asked me what I thought of Romulus and I told them it was my 3rd fav movie in the franchise, and they thought i was crazy.
Im glad to see that others think the same.
(Aliens, Alien, Romulus, Promethus/3 [Tie], Covenant, Resurection)
MOST reviewers have said it's easily the 3rd best. Seeing as most of the entries other than the 1st 2 are terrible I don't know why your friend was surprised. It's not that hard to nab the 3 spot. Which movies did your friend think were better?
I have it tied with Prometheus. Alien, Aliens, and Prometheus/Alien Romulus.
Why is there so much Resurrection hate? I dont get it. I loved that film
@@russelldriver2476resurrection has a lot of great things going for it. It’s always an enjoyable watch when it comes on. I think people have just had the ending with the baby alien stuck in their mind and judge the whole movie on that.
Every time I re-watch it, I like it more than the last, including the ending.
The first alien predator is 3rd
When you put the Shaw events to the side, David's story is really fascinating, I saw Covenant yesterday again and I saw it in a new very different light, the first times I saw it in 2017 I was a bit mad and disappointed by the fact that they cut off Shaw and the engineers from the story, this time was different.
David the rise of a Dark Messiah of taking the error of the Engineers and then raising it to eleven. Yes I see the religious implications of his story arc.
@@randallbesch2424 I think David`s creations eventually will kill him.
Forgive my rant. I enjoyed the movie as an Alien fan. I liked the heist idea. I have only seen one screening so far, lol, but I have been waiting for someone to mention this. Aliens implies that they never picked up Riley’s message from 57 years ago. They state they retrieved it from the lifeboat when they found her. Now the company or some scientific off shoot of the company actually picked up her message long before she stumbled into a random system. It caught my attention right away but they also kept repeatedly stating how they retrieved the alien she shot out of the air lock which they would only know if they heard her recording. and intentionally never retrieved her. I cant get over how messed up it is that they intentionally found her and didn’t retrieve her, bur it is also not surprising. If they picked up her beacon they knew exactly where she was and chose to leave her for dead. Maybe they will revisit this somehow in later movies. The minute that girl revealed she was pregnant I said “ oh we are calling back to Requiem? “. The excavation of the Alien from space and the cocoon felt like a nod to The Thing, one of my favorite movies. Rook in the monitors kept reminding me of The Red Queen in Resident Evil.
David is, by far, the best character in the entire franchise. Prometheus and Alien Covenant lifted this franchise out of the gutter.
There are many people who'd disagree. But I'm not one of them. David was such a good character and Michael Fassbender carried it like he's the King of Kings
@@chrischl8003 exactly! Ozymandias, King of Kings. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
Say and think what you want I f'ing loved Prometheus and Covenant and I'm dissapointed that we may never get a thrid movie in the David trilogy. What a badass character David is/was. Oh well.
Love the first two movies like everybody else. I really enjoyed the 3rd but I understand why fans didn't like it. Didn't watch 4. HATE AvP movies what a bad idea they don't exist in my head canon.
F'ing LOVED Romulus. Bring Fede back for another please!
YES more prometheus and covenant fans there's gota be more of us out there, shits like I am legend😭
Sure 'David' a psychopathic android is a real bad ass.
So in the book out of the shadows, ash had uploaded part of himself into muther and the Narcissus what if it wasn’t just the narcissus and maybe they had recovered data from the nostromo(similar to isolation) and Ash had infected the Rook synthetic so that’s why he says the same things ash did to ripley
Even better on the second viewing: you're so overwhelmed the first time, the second reveals more layers, details and structure to the film making, which is THAT GOOD!
This film did an excellent job at setting up something that it was going to pay off later on in a set piece. That was great to see.
Bruh! Erik AND Coy! I’m overwhelmed! 🙌🏽
That squid thing from Prometheus was a giant face hugger
Erik AND Coy? Oh this is gonna be fun 😁
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to recognize the Tremors 2 reference. And I would KILL for a Graboids vs Xenomorphs movie!!!
Once the Graboid tastes a Xenomorph it will not try to eat another.
imo while I didn’t love the idea of seeing a CGI Ian Holm I did think it was the right move as it directed our attention to Alien 1 because he cited that they were retrieving the xenomorph Ripley launched out of the air lock. If I saw Fassbender, I would definitely be thinking Prometheus
I had a great time with this film. Back to the claustrophobic horror from the first one, but still some great action like in the second one. It was awesome.
If you want a carbon copy of the first two films, you might as well just watch Alien and Aliens. What's the point of a movie without a single original idea?
@@LemonsAndSalt69 zero G acid scene was new and super cool
Yes but this movie dove into other things like the aliens biology,its resilience making a cocoon in space,its ability to heal itself rapidly,immune to disease all that,talks more about how it’s the perfect organism
@@bladethebeast2 That scene made no sense. Alien blood just freezes into place with the gravity turned off. The acid would float over to the wall, and burn through the ship. Then again, ever since Aliens, the acid blood only burns through things when the screenplay calls for it.
@@Ninjersey1 Seriously? After all the Alien movies, the Xenomorphs are suddenly immortal? They can build a cocoon around themselves in space? Terrible writing.
Please may we get an episode with Erik, Coy, Hector and Maud!? Pretty please!
Rook in a Zoom call with Kay 😂😂😂
So now after watching this movie I'm thinking that the planet from Covenant where we see the more human like engineers might have used the black goo to evolve themselves into the huge strong looking engineers that was in Prometheus.
I was actually thinking a bit the opposite: it could be another planet the Engineers "seeded" with life like Earth but instead of humans becoming the dominant lifeforms, it was those humanoids that had more blatant Engineer characteristics. It might also explain why we see in Prometheus that they were planning to "start over" by bioweapon bombing Earth yet the planet in Covenant had clearly been left alone by them, perhaps viewed as more of a success? 🤔 But either theory is certainly possible!
Good discussion guys!
Personally all the call backs and references in Romulus makes it impossible to rank above Alien 3, which despite being a bit of a mess, at least stands on its own. Romulus is slicker and better executed, and it is a very satisfying watch, but the abundance of ‘member-berries just dragged it down and pulled me out too much. That and it committed the same cardinal sin as Alien 4-6 by making the Alien a secondary threat to another giant monster.
But Romulus is still easily the fourth best in the series! Had a great time with it at the theater.
You know what, the way I see the black goo wasn't made by the Engineers, I think the black goo comes from the Xenomorphs and the Engineers discovered them and reverse engineered it. Remember the Alien mural on the wall in Prometheus, that's how they knew about them and they figured that the Xenomorphs were a great weapon. This is how Rook and the team on the Romulus were able to discover the goo because the reverse engineered it.
Maybe the ship that crashed on LV426 was the Engineers transporting eggs for experimentation, but one of the face huggers got out which killed the pilot (But what happened to the chest burster :P )
Anyways, that's my thoughts :)
Wow coy and Erik together this is wild 🤘🏽
Wow!! Coy and Eric Voss in one frame!!!!
I want Eric, coy and hector in one episode one day 🥺
After years, WE DID IT
Coy so good he needs to be on TV.
9:09 “trying to make it look like a puppet when it’s not” it IS actually primarily puppets, believe it or not.
The opening comment sums it up PERFECTLY!
The liquid used to create life at the beginning of Prometheus is gold. It’s the blood of the lord of the engineers. Completely different from the black goo that the engineers created later on in an attempt to recreate this blood
I cannot conceive of a better idea in this franchise, than Trachtenberg and Alvarez getting together to make an AVP sequel!
The two of them would take a poorly conceived AVP franchise, and elevate it to greatness.
..and I enjoy the two AVP movies! They were just hindered by poor writing and creative choices, here and there (not to mention Requiem being WAY too dark, in order to create an artificial sense of suspense).
Alway love the commentary from you guys every one brings something different to the show everytime
David has probably went to the engineers ships thought the galaxy took the black goo and replaced it with eggs sent out a signal knowing some lifeforms will find it and create xenomorpths. He's kinda Immortal and knows the engineers tech so I can imagine he's going to every engineers seed plants to replace them with xenos
I like that
He needs access to high tech to maintain his operations.
Some of the lore around the black goo has been verified by ridley Scott and the earlier prometheus scripts. The engineers were apparently unable to create life so they travelled across space and found the "original facehugger" which impregnated one of them with a deacon, the engineers viewed the deacon as biologically perfect (which they worshipped). The engineer that offered himself as sacrifice was the same one they built a statue for in prometheus who they referred to as the chosen one.
The engineers were attempting to perfect themselves using the blood of the deacon (which is what was being drank at the beginning of prometheus), this failed and humans were created instead. This is why engineers decided that humans should be wiped out as they were a failed experiment.
The black goo is the engineers attempt at recreating the blood of the deacon after it died.
I disagree the Engineers are an artificial race themselves. They are expert at life creation. The black material is a mutagen.
I'm sure people that are in a certain trade notice things in movies that don't make sense.
mine was the scene when they were in one room while brining an ajoining rooms temperature
up to 98.6f to be invisible to the face huggers. which means the room they were in was lower.
most likely 70f. as soon as they open the door the heat in the room with the face huggers would
immediately rush to the cooler room the humans were in. that 98.6f room temp would've dropped
at least 15 degrees to equalize. as soon as they step into the face hugger room they'd be 99+
in a room that's suddenly 85f. they'd be instantly visible until the heat could be brought up in
both areas now.
I love how Erik is just knowledgable on basically every epic pop culture franchise.
My girlfriend called this movie A Pup Named Scooby Doo ass film and well... yes!
Now the theme song is playing in my head. Lol
@@RealBradMiller There is a lot os space in your head. Plenty of room for a song.
They did use an animatronic of Ian Holm's face. Legacy Effects managed to find a life cast at Weta Workshop that had been used for Lord of the Rings. There's a combination of animatronic Ian Holm and deepfake over Daniel Betts's face to make the final version (along with Respeecher over Betts's vocal performance)
ERIK and COY is the team up I never knew I needed. Super surprised this is their first time together.
love this trio crew!
(Ranking below) As someone new to the franchise I’ve always really like Prometheus and ranked it highly. And maybe because I didn’t have years of not decades to theorize on the origins it’s very easy for me to accept David being the creator and the black goo and so much of it.
I have yet to watch Alien 3 and Resurrection so I will update once I’ve watched
- Alien Romulus
- Alien (I know but I watch this movie days before seeing Romulus so it doesn’t have the benefit of me feeling it’s groundbreaking history like most people who watched it so long ago)
- Prometheus
- Alien Covenant
- Aliens
Also the human/alien hybrid zucked his mama’s teet at the end. It’s like a Oroborus theme throughout the Alien films . Using ancient imagery to mirror what happens in the film and the mythology of creation in the Alien/Predator/Blade Runner cinematic universe
The pilot is made for the chair to live out its life as a living pilot for each ship.
Running away from the facehuggers in the hallway throwing away the red flare maybe is a nod to Jeff goldbloom from jurassic park
Arrival of Big Chap was like “somehow palpatine returned.” I need to know where the face huggers came from. Also, zero gravity yet there was water only in one room that the door wouldn’t close all the way. Other than that, I loved every bit of this movie, yes even the ending.
My theory pre-viewing that would have explained the multitude of facehuggers was that Ash had transmitted the facehugger DNA sequences to Weyland-Yutani via MUTHUR after we see him dissecting the dead one from Kane. He clearly had some sort of access to it based on the "crew expendable science officer eyes only" special order. So then WY set up Renaissance Station to essentially 3D print facehugger based on that data. Discrepancies could result in the darker and barb-legged facehuggers we see in the movie. They also name dropped "Plagiarus propetens" which is straight from the "Alien: The Cold Forge" novel which tells us it is found specifically within the facehuggers and is what jumpstarts the chestburster process. Having that many facehuggers on ice would give them plenty of samples to, ahem, "milk" for lack of a better term...
With what we see in Romulus, I know we're told by Rook that they got the "plagiarus" samples from the Big Chap itself, but that still doesn't explain all of the facehuggers...the only possible explanation is that they sacrificed dozens of people to the Big Chap to "eggmorph" and eventually get facehuggers...but seems like a much more lengthy process to me 🤷♂️ Obviously WY would have no compunction against the sacrifice, but acquiring enough people who wouldn't be noticed as missing might also present a problem if we recall that the USM in the far future was outsourcing that kind of acquisition to mercenaries, presumably to keep an extra buffer of deniability.
@@itsahostiletakeover yeah… that all sounds probable, but when it’s such a big leap ON SCREEN, I need a little more exposition. I’m in for the ride, but I need to know a little more about how we got here. If you think about it, the Alien franchise - for better or worse - has always gone out of its way to make sure we see/understand the lifecycle. I’m ok with the “black goo” makes it happen, and “it’s just science” ( again recalling “somehow palpatine returned”) but show us something more…
Also, If WY’s goal was not xeno drones as weapons, but rather black goo as a genetic mutant, they don’t need to make xenos to reverse engineer the goo, the xenos are a byproduct. They just get the sequence for the goo and move on.
Logically the Engineers did at every phase of the creation of their best yet slave species.
I’m thankful to experience the first alien and this one- I believe I saw Prometheus but don’t remember much of it. Romulus had me on edge the whole time, I was just so on edge. The smile of the last villain really is the most evil dark part of the movie. Also I just doubt that they could have swam through all that acid without getting touched just a bit?
To be completely fair, the original actor of Ashe in Alien wanted publicly to be brought back into the alien franchise and he was very upset about not ever being brought back, this was known well by his family and those who worked with him. Using his likeness knowing he would've wanted to do the role while also doing the role well and having his family enjoy and sign off on it seems like all the permission you need. It's weird to think about hindsight permissions of likeness back then when this stuff like deepfakes isa very recent development. The only weird thing was really some of the cgi around his face but it's an android so the uncanny valley works. Plus it was probably a combination of puppetry and cgi. Could it have been better, sure, but it also cost money and time.
Also it stands to reason that specific models of likeness would be used for specific androids and their specialties. Of course different androids can always take the role, but in the grand scheme of a corpo mass producing androids, likeness would be universally common for some roles these androids are in.
The Alien Queen is a Disney Queen. lol. amazing.
i want the 3rd Fasbender film we need the end of the prequel story
This film was a breath of fresh air. I am about yalls age so Resurrection was also "my" Alien film. Combine that with it being one of those TV movies that just always seems to be on in the late 90s. It was not all that exciting to watch. I've seen Alien and Aliens in small independent theaters a few times. Romulus is the only other film in the series that legit feels like the viewer expectations going into an Alien film are met. Prometheus and Covenant are cool too, but they have a totally different feel to them. When I want to watch an Alien film, those don't apply.
This film is incredible from beginning to end and I enjoyed world building of last two. Terrifying in a cool way and tremendous action. 4th act gave it that something extra after being lulled in but knew injecting herself with compound was hanging there
How did Rook know Ripley survived? This takes place 30 years before she was found.
They can recieve the record before they find her body. Thus, she survived the Nostromo.
@@platoniczombie her recording wouldn't be on the Nostromo flight recorder, she recorded it AFTER it blew up.
@stevedrawdy2532 I mean, either way, was it not a broadcast? I didn't assume it was a recording only to be heard when she is found.
Isn't all recorded by Muther and send to weyland Yutani? @@platoniczombie
I get why there's comparisons of Romulus to Prey, but I really feel like Romulus was the Alien franchise's Rogue One...
It really is the best alien yet giving it a second viewing… THIS TIME WITH THE BOYZ 😂🎉
Interesting to see the variety of rankings. Beyond having the same top three and last place as Brandon and Coy, it’s incredibly difficult to give a definitive ranking of the remaining three films, especially since there would be distinct differences between listing them in order of the most enjoyable/entertaining watch vs the films’ the overall quality. Then there’s the stark difference between the Theatrical Release of Alien 3 vs the Assembly Cut, which reportedly hews much closer to Fincher’s vision of the film.
Fede needs to be in control from here on
is the substance the engineer consumes at the beginning of prometheus the same as the black goo
Supposedly it is their lord deacons blood, this lord deacon died and they were trying to recreate bit it turned into a bio weapon and killed the engineers off except the 1 in crio-sleep.
@@NorthLVLowRoller but the destructive black goo was in the vials and was ready to go to earth to destroy the human species. the black goo being deacon blood is something I never heard and is very interesting. I dig it.
@moviereelnews check out the "kroft talks deacon" video, it gets deep into the parts of the script that were never explained in the movie. There's almost a communion type of scene that was supposed to open the movie that another engineer bends down and gives the cup to engineer that sacrificed himself and says "take this, the blood of our lord". Pretty wild interesting x1000 stuff was completely left out of this movie.
@NorthLVLowRoller interesting kroft has done a lot of videos on alien and prometheus I need to find it somewhere. does it answer if there's one substance to create and one to destroy?
I think the substance the engineer consumed was refined from the black goo. It seems that the black goo is life essence itself and what David, engineers, and humans do is modify it to meet specific needs. The alien xenomorph and all its subsets is what you get when things go wrong.
How can a "holographic" image of the black goo vase can be in this movie? I mean I saw it, but the only way for the humans to know about that vase shape is from the planet seen on Prometheus. (meaning another crew was sent there at some point in time?) or by David returning to earth and giving humanity this knowledge (highly improbable...). I don't know... Maybe the scientists on Romulus recreated this black goo from the alien itself, that I can understand, but that vase shape? How?
🤔🤔🤔🤔
I personally love the addition to the life cycle and it makes total sense in my opinion and its looks are on par with the rest of the imagry of H.R. Gieger.
I loved this movie so much and what I noticed in the theater was everyone showed so much respect that not even a sound of a person chewing popcorn was heard lol until later on after the first 15 min
None of the scientists in Resurrection seem to have any knowledge of, or interest in, any black goo compound so I am guessing that technology either didn't make it to that century or was abandoned. I want the franchise to fill in some of the gaps between the time of Alien 3 and Resurrection.
I'm happy to say this movie was actually decent
I seen someone say that a world with no synthetics would be something David would do
its gross to imagine but with the Trilobite a man was infected with The Black Goo, which we now know wouldn't have immediate visual affects but alter you eventually. He has sex with an infertile Shaw leaving his altered genetic material within her. The Black Goo would then "Heal her womb" allowing her body to act as an Ovomorph (Alien Face hugger Egg) to house his Black Goo Xenomorphized sperm, which grows into the Trilobite, which has face hugger properties. Where as with Kay, she gave birth to a Black Goo infused human. Potentially if left alive long enough, like the rat, I speculate Kay and Holloway would have began to morph into a being similar to the Offspring. In Promethus we see the Engineer "Sacrifice" drink Black Goo and breakdown into micro organisms that would eventually become life, where as The Black Goo Infecting Kay has been modified to not just breakdown at the cellular level and reconstitute Engineer like.
Ridley Scott has somehow managed to simultaneously reinvigorate and ruin almost every franchise he’s been a part of 😩
wasn't there an episode with Jessica Clemons and Gina Ippolito? The thumbnail was like BEST ALIEN MOVIE EVER? or something? is it me?!?!? *insert thinking emoji*
Andy was a standout, such a good job by the actor.
They already left room for REMUS.. we don't know much about that half of the ship
cant wait to watch this movie over and over
The sequel to this should be Rain and Andi arriving at the Yvaga planet only to find it’s under David’s control. It’s described as a “paradise” to lure in people that are done with Weyland Youtani. The reason for “no synthetics” is because they could potentially ruin David’s rule.
David was such an amazing character, sad Erik is one of those Prometheus haters
I bought the DVD for a movie night and we had no clue it was an Alien movie.... I have been hooked ever since!
Shout out to tremors! Absolute classic!
It's Perfection!
Remember, David will never die…
What the ginger dude said at the start of this video was SPOT ON great video 💯💯💯💯💯💯
Damn ... nobody noticed the turbine exhaust looks like water in the first scene ... even leaves an effect on the lense like in the first movie
The casting was so phenomenal
Sperm makes squid things AND fetus make OMG WTF IS THAT! with black glue goo
In terms of using dead actor's likenesses posthumously I get why some feel it is ghoulish but I also think if you seek permission & don't betray the nature of the original character I have less issue with. However let's not pretend that people who get involved in entertainment don't crave attention and aspire to leave a legacy. Of course that might not be true for everyone in the industry but it applies to a majority of the people. Additionally I think the person's relationship to the role & experience on the film should be a factor. If someone hated the role or wanted to forget that they had anything to do with a film would not be someone who would be ok with posthumous usage.
If an actor is on the record; having an opinion about doing sequels, revisiting roles, about why the stayed in/left the industry or how they live their life off screen should be factored into posthumous usage. For example if someone wanted to do a sequel involving an actor like Daniel Day Lewis (I get no role or movie he has done would warrant a reprisal it is just an example of an actor who is extremely selective about roles) permission should be denied because he has expressed his opinions and would never be interested in being used posthumously.
Whereas someone like Sylvester Stallone has demonstrated a willingness to revist roles & participate in sequels so using him posthumously wouldn't be problematic unless he explicitly stated otherwise.
Now of course there is nuance and I get that down the road the person who controls an estate will be someone who never knew the actor. In that case deferring to their public record should be the first consideration then seeking permission from the estate.
Seems like above all else the black goo is an agent of chaos, if the black goo was sentient enough to have its own perspective, I think it would consider humanity to be the "perfect organism" given the chaotic nature of humanity, so much variety and unpredictability on an individual basis, every other species is highly predictable with the same behaviors regardless of the specimen, in this story that includes the xenomorphs and the engineers, there is an obvious "sameness" among the engineers and a total lack of individual expression or creativity, ultimately they are boring and predictable in the same way as animals and xenomorphs, but even in the very small sample group of humans that find the engineer there is a lot of variety and without knowing each of them on an individual personal level it's impossible to predict their behaviors, even the engineer has a somewhat hesitant systematic approach in dispatching them because they're all acting different (one confidently trying to persuade, one attacking with a weapon, one just standing there frozen in silence, one running for her life), unlike any other species where all specimens would react the same (all flee, all attack, all freeze, etc), this also seems to be the underlying real reason the engineers are freaked out by humanity, individuality is chaotic and uncontrollable, just like the engineers lost control of the black goo itself on their own ship, to the engineers the humans are a horror on the loose
They have a giant virtual floating globe that’s Battleworld.
They let RDJ interact with it and when he clicks on regions it pulls up actors already contracted to the film. A ton of big name secrets.
They tell RDJ they need the right person to rule this planet
(Spoilers) Hey, Coy, I think your perspective on Jurassic Park is totally valid as it can be kind of dumb seeing certain things on screen but I do think that Jurassic Park not going into the human-dino hybrids made the franchise get stuck and not progress because the whole point of Jurassic park is pushing the ethical and technological advancements of mankind and seeing the consequences. As for the alien-human hybrid was already done in Resurrection. So it was more of a safe bet, yet still, the way they did it in Romulus was way scarier, as it looked sort of demonic and sinister compared to just an abomination like in Resurrection. The hybrid in Romulus had no attachment to the mother they just wanted to kill the humans. While the old hybrid in Resurrection wanted cuddles from Sigourney Weaver.
Is it me or did they not get the perfect human, alien hybrid with Ripley in Alien Resurrection?
With the black goo, I feel it's the same base but all different. The engineers have the base goo that for seeding live, then their modified goo to destroy worlds. David then modified the modified goo. Now, in Romulus, they took some black goo, and they even said in the Romulus movie weyland genetically modified the goo, to make a human work in Mines and not get sick. The showed on the screen the rat being able to heal after being crushed but then you see the rat in the cage all messed up, singing that weyland experiment was not a success yet.
One thing to fix that Eric has said in his breakdown and this video, nothing bad of course, but The Big Chap, and the Xenos in this film, are what are considered Drones, while the xenos in Aliens are the warriors like he says, other than that I’m so happy they enjoyed the film, I loved it so much as a long time alien fan
I think the reason Shaw had the squid thing was because it was a mutated sperm cell that came from Holloway. He had just been infected by David before he and Shaw did their "special hug". Shaw was unable to conceive children, so the sperm cell just remained in her body until it fully mutated and grew (why wouldn't there be millions of squid babies.... I don't know).
But Kay was already pregnant so... um... well.... I don't know. It happened the way it did because that's the way Fede Álvarez wanted it to happen in his movie lol.
It's also worth noting the Fede Álvarez specifically wanted the new creature to look similar to an engineer, because he misinterpreted what the black goo did in the Prometheus and Covenant movies. He thought the engineers came from the black goo, which is incorrect.
My Ranking:
Alien
Aliens
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Alien Romulus
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
Shaws death is actually very necessary for David to create the alien, he was experimenting on living organisms seeing what mutations occur. He definitely experimented on Shaw to perfect the face hugger. Hence why he’s able to create the first eggs. That’s my theory on why Shaw is dead at least
Ok, here me out…
I think, honestly, with how well they played their roll, it would have been extra great and creepy to have encountered another Synthetic played by David Jonsson. This way, instead of the bad CGI and already know Ash was a trickster, we have a sort of Walter vs. David scenario that has us not knowing if we can trust them and he gets to wield a third personality as Rook, too! There would have been no draw back to this, in my opinion, because we know his model exists in that time, and it adds more unknown, and them encountering another Andy-faced Synthetic would have been unnerving to them as well. Just imagine their faces flipping him over! Seriously!! There were never any throw away lines about the specified functionality of each model prior… which is why we had David and Walter, and sure there are upgrades with other faces, etc., but eliminate the throw away line, et viola. 😆 I think that would have only enhanced this film more with less relying too heavily on the old stuff, not using a dead person and doing them dirty with bad CGI, and allowing a new up and coming actor who was killing it continue to shine in this tale.
Still really enjoyed the movie, but this was something I thought about a lot afterwards as an avid franchise fan.
The squid thing was mutated sperm, kay was a mutated infant...shaw was infertile so the goo never interacted with her eggs. The squid thing was a sperm cell goo'd through and through.
So why wasn’t Andy allowed to go to the new planet with them?