A lot of people don't understand that female otaku is pretty much the same as male otaku. They don't feel comfortable interacting with the other gender.
In the end, everyone is just acting like morons. As someone else wrote, "Don't push them to do collabs with male vtubers, don't punish them when they DO collab with male Vtubers." If it happens, tough shit. Wait for the next stream if you hate it that much. If the vtuber flat out says it's not going to happen, tough shit. Write fanfic if you want it that much. I'm not sure why this is so difficult.
It's really just as simple as respecting their decision either way. While I personally can't understand the hate towards Holostars, everyone has their preferences including the talents. I hope Liz lets more talents who do have an interest in collabing with the whole company feel more comfortable. She's been a breath of fresh air. I'd never ask for collabs though. Even between the girls that feels weird to me unless it's brought up. It's one of the rules to not bring up other talents when not being discussed anyway.
I just think it's hilarious how worked up people get over the whole idea, when Mio's the only one who even mentioned it. Chat never said anything about a collab server with men, just people from outside the company. Nothing about that necessitates the presence of male vtubers, and her viewers know that by this point.
i'm confused as to what you mean by punishing as far as i know, unicorns have no power to do anything except stop supporting and stop watching are you saying people should be forced to watch and support something they don't like?
oof it is, and I think the TL also is part of it some Discord server's TL is different on the "Yuck" part than here. So yeah the Clip is made for ragebait.
Having watched both the girls, the boys and even their collabs (yes, I have no life) The dynamic are different, the vibe, the way they do things are different, even their preference are different. It's all different experience between all girls, all boys and mixed. It just matter of what vibe they prefer, if the girls like sticking to the atmosphere of girls doing girls things, it's fine. If they want the more co-ed dynamic, it's also fine. This is often the case, with how a lot of them talked about it, rather than fear of some random unicorns out of thousands or millions of fans they have. For us viewers, we just need to pick what they have and enjoy it. If it ain't your taste, then just don't watch it, just watch something else, simple. No point trying to argue should they or should they not. They are all adults, with managers behind them. And Cover knows what they doing to expand their brand and the talents channel.
I once thought about joining Holostars, but as soon as my conscience was clear I gave up on the idea. I felt I wanted to hang out with Hololive members because of how friendly and happy they were with each other. So really my reasoning was mostly a parasocial want -- a mix of admiration and envy (how sad is that, right? 😕 ). Such a motive is obviously unhealthy and could lead to trouble. I also later realized such a thing isn't possible anyway, not because of outside influence, but because most of them are introverts that avoid socializing with any men. So yeah, your comment pretty much sums up how impractical male to female Holocollabs are. I mean, when was the last time we saw a Holostars member collab with a Hololive member, particularly HoloEN?
@@GawainW Yeah, even the boys also talk a bit about it. It pretty much boiled down to the vibe and how comfortable are they during the collab. Even if people want a co-ed collab between this and that talents out of the blue, are we sure it's gonna be enjoyable when both of them barely knew anything about each other? Forcing things will just make it awkward, and awkward stream make for awkward experience for the viewers. For the content creators like these talents, able to have fun and enjoy themselves is the top priority. Cause it's not video editing or acting out a script, it's a stream where they play games or do things together to entertain us, it's "live". And the audience will 100% knows if they aren't enjoying thing. Just let it happens naturally, if it happens to be the pair you want to see, good, you get to appreciate it more. If not, then just let it go, it's a false expectation you set up for yourself anyways. Plus, when things happen naturally, you get peak contents like with Pizzaria family, or Liz and Flayon banter like sibling, Kobo Altare things, HoloSalt, Ao-kun getting bullied by literally every Holostars she met and it still fun to watch. Beside, the Holostars and Hololive collabs aren't that so much rare you have to force it to happens. Like they aren't even as rare as HoloExodia Collab or worse... HoloForce or Suntempo Collab.
Perhaps I am overthinking, but I can't rule that out as a possibility from what I've seen, past and present. Those like Kiara have experienced idol culture first hand before she even started Hololive, and how obsessive men can be for female idols. The thing is that those in Japan don't want to see female idols with other men, because they themselves want to believe that they have a chance with them. Sad (and creepy) but true. Then there's the other hand, though likely in a similar vein. Some fans, particularly overseas fans, who want to SEE more interactions between Hololive and Holostars -- an opposite to what Japanese fans want. Seeing gender neutral parties between Holomems is one thing, but expecting some of them to connect romantically is another. Remember when Altaire was teasing Kronii during the Dead By Daylight collab? A lot of people had the misconception that teasing was the same as flirting, so they were "shipping" those two together. Kronii had to address this too. Why would those fans think a Hololive and Holostars member could hit it off? Why would they support such a thing? Think about that. Although I could also be thinking this because I haven't seen any clips or collabs involving Holostars as often as some would have hoped. Though through the majority of evidence I am aware of, the former thought is the one that makes the most sense to me. Almost every fan has a parasocial side to them, some more than others. As much as they want to deny it, it's true.
This is more about hololive audiences, it was created to interact female vtubers with a male audience, so the company is betting on the audience that makes the most profit
Those pushing for male collabs should really understand that not every female vtuber is comfortable with it. It's a matter of preference. Let them be with what they want to do. There are already plenty of chuba out there who's comfortable with it, watch them instead.
I mean I get that and a vtuber is free to collab with who they want when they want. But at the end most of the explanation is because they're a femcel or that their fans are... Weird. Tho I guess that's mainly hololive there are plenty other agencies that do mix genders do tbh it's whatever
I love seeing the cross-gender collabs, but at the same time I get that this really is something that has to come naturally. You aren't gonna get an entertaining stream if the people involved really have no interest in the other party or even what's going on, and forcing/pressuring people to collab with each other when they barely know anything about them other than "they work at the same company as me" just puts stress on them too. At the end of the day they're all people, and just because people work under the same umbrella doesn't mean they're instantly going to hit it off.
I mean in this case they not pushing them to collab with male vtubers 😅 In the first place mio just speak up that it will be more fun if more members can joining in, because make sense with how big the map in GTA it needs more people in it. And then mio fans only said "collab with other companies" probably referring to invite female vtubers outside hololive because they didnt even said holostar dude, especially it's hololive game project, they can directly invite indie / company with only female vtubers.
no one is forcing male collabs on girls tho? all i see is people saying "oh pls i want gura to collab with [insert hologirl]" which is just another case of collab begging
Admit it. There are more phasekeks and nijikeks in this comment section stirring the pot than there are actual holo fans. The actual holofans are actually watching the content instead of trying to make this "drama" bigger than it actually is.
There are more phasekeks and nijikeks here than their branches have average ccv. Literal dramabeggers who can't even be bothered to watch their own vtubers 😂
@@TeeDude-k3w can confirm. I never heard of a hologirl fan go "oh my god mio is so based for this frfr" but they said "oh ill have to keep that in mind then" No sane holofans would dog on fellow holofans because doing that is a sign that theyre a faker
While potential fan outrage is something that might matter for some members, I feel like the main reason why most of the girls in Hololive don't collab with Holostars is the same reason why most Hololive viewers don't watch Holostars- it's not what they're here for and not what they're interested in.
i mean thats obvious considering most of the hololive fan base is made up of males...males that kinda dont see the light of day sometimes. guys that wanna see cute kawaii girls do cute kawaii things with their kawaii voices.
@@nguyenho5859 isnt me proving that i can enjoy any content despite being a bigger fan to something you dont have interest in something you wanna hear?
Slightly different perspective here, aside from the "idol" angle: Mio's comments reminds me of my friends who attended all-girls secondary schools (not sure of other equivalents, but 13-16 years old) and overall most of them won't want to trade that experience for a co-ed one. It's a safe space to be, well, silly in their own way. I attended an all-boys school and I feel that way as well (though honestly we were more stupid than silly). The social dynamics are just different compared to co-ed schools. And besides, it's her content and her career. It's her choice.
miko has literally stated over and over that one of the things she likes the most about hololive is that it feels like going to an all girls high school every day the people who push for mixed collabs do not care about what the girls want, they do not respect what they want, they just want them to shut up and collab with the stars so they can ship them
@@starboy9002Yeah, and the Holomems best known for not collabing with guys are the ones from all-girls schools. What a surprise~ (deadpan voice) Like, idk much about Japanese culture but when I remember how sadly common sekuhara and stalking is over there, am I supposed to be surprised that Holomems prefer the company of other girls?
@@starboy9002 That is some serious strawmanning, especially with the "they just wanna ship them" comment. Kobo and Altare were popular despite their sibling vibes, Calli explicitly mentioned that if anything, she'd rather the Tempus bois be considered her sons etc. Hell, if anything I'd argue it's the gachikois and unicorns who hate-ship them, weirdos that they are. Like, I've watched Kronii's interactions with the bois. None of them were even a little romantic or shippable. Most of it was a "comedic frenemies" tone. Yet seething gachikois insisted on interpreting her interactions with them in a sexual light. Calli, again, never gave me a vibe that seemed "shippable" but what do you know-I saw plenty of comments involving her too, where people would insinuate sexual relationships between her and the Stars members. Hell, the fact that I've seen hate porn from gachikois on multiple occassions makes them look even more deranged to me. How are you going to look at a perfectly healthy, platonic, male-female interaction and be so mentally ill that you have to take it as some act of betrayal and make porn of a non-existent relationship to try and stir people up further. I'm not saying you're one of em, I'm just saying you sound concerningly similar.
@@JohnDoe-pc3uk holy fuck i'm not reading any of that, all i'll say is people very conveniently forgot all about how when nodoka was first introduced you people shipped her so hard with that one EN star it became really weird and she had to stop appearing for a while and only came back rather recently
@starboy9002 Zeta literally completely stopped collabing with dudes because the fandom shipping her with Axel got so terrible and invasive. It’s impossible for Nodoka to be brought up in English without some idiot bringing up Axel based on one collab they did over a year ago. Shiori replied to Flayon on Twitter once, it has resulted in literally hundreds of porn art of the two courtesy of the pro-Collab okbuddyhololive subreddit. The Stars fanbase is very bad with unwanted shipping. You’re right that Kronii and Vesper’s actions weren’t romantic, but that didn’t stop Vesperonii from being a massive ship. And people were being up Vesper so much in her chat after he graduated that she has his name banned in her chat, your comment is automatically removed if you mention him
Nah, as a female myself, I agree with her, its not for gachikoi or unicorn reasons, I just like the vibe better with all females. I still watch the girls even if they have collabed with males, I just avoid those streams.
idk my childhood is full of me playing together with girl and even i get asked do i want to go out with them all to the restourant, i said yes, and i was the only Male in their group XD, even the restourant waiter say that im their bodyguard XD idk its fun to play with girl, even if im a male, i respect their to and they respect me back
well i live in indonesia, and indonesia people dont care if they play with girl or male, as long they having fun that mean they are friend, even in school teacher sometime will make group work of both male and female so they can get along too, you can see holo id can easily getting along with holostars..
@@kaigaikarano they do play around that term, even Inuyama Tamaki have his own unicorn outfit lmao Proud is a strong word but Japanese do understand what unicorn means, I see it more like self-depreciating jokes when they label themselves as unicorns
yeah its weird that 🦄 are labeling the talents, no matter the gender, as one when the reason being they have the ability to communicate with each other (because they would probably trust a holostar than any other male strangers in public)
They're gonna claim that Mio, who had the balls to calmly scold Cover over the 3rd Fes banner incident (Luna disappeared from the banner in the 3rd Fes venue) on stream is "too scared of unicorns" to _aCkSuALly_ say her ""true opinions."" Lol, lmao even. Holomems can do whatever they want, except when that "whatever" runs counter to their headcanon, then suddenly it's "actually they're being forced".😂
And there is some guy several days ago before the HoloGTA starts and he says HoloGTA would be boring and it is no fun without holostar and I think now he is dying that his expectation didn't achieve. It is so much fun and chaotic that the girls did and we all enjoy it and girls did our expectation was beyond that! ABSOLUTLY CINIMATIC!
I imagine he'll pretend it wasn't that good or that it'd be better with Stars. Some people cannot accept that there are a lot of people that just want to watch the girls and that they're vastly more popular than males in vtubing.
I agree. However, in my opinion, VCR GTA with male and female vtubers turned out to be a much larger, more dynamic and interesting event than HoloGTA, although it also had its own highlights and innovations.
i was thinking abt the same thing; what if cover hosts an omega collab where ppl who are comfortable with each other can collab in one server? it would be interesting to see that in action
@@Deathellos vcr in general is so vast and has more content being put in just one week. shibuya did a great job on providing genres of content from different perspectives and groups
@@jin12345678 no point getting bothered about it, it will inevitably happen to content creators. When people express their opinions at least they get feedback they can choose to take or ignore rather than utter silence, you don't really want an echo chamber of positivity either. If they're fine with the response and keep creating content eventually the hate will go away after their fanbase has properly solidified.
As someone who’s been primarily a stars fan since stars en debuted, I’ve always hated the collab beggars. All it did was make the guys look bad and bothered the girls. While I’m sure a majority of collab beggars were just socially inept stars fans, I swear that some of the begging was a psyop by stars or holopro antis.
@@sorakazeharu They do. Ever wonder why what Aki said to him had as much impact as it did? The famous "you're Hololive too, you're the same as us!" quote.
I'm against collabs outside Hololive in general. I just think the world building gets better if they stick with eachother. But exceptions are fine as long as it's not often enough to break the dynamic. But this seems to be common sense policy for how Japan manages groups. Every agency should follow this standard to strengthen their brand. Holo GTA, Minecraft, Mario Kart etc wouldn't be the same if it was open entry. And I think you can apply this also to normal collabs and storytelling about offline meetups. The issue with including Holostars more is that some members would embrace them and some would avoid them. This is bad since it creates unnecessary division. The same would happen to the viewer base.
holoGTA is only available because it's an all-girls... some joke wont be available if its done by male vtuber or it will become sekuhara or atleast they have to hold back more
Far too often I see comments on YT, Twitter, etc that refuse to respect the simple idea that maybe, just maybe, the girls are making their own choice when they don't stream with Stars, etc. For these people, a Holo member is never actually choosing what they themselves want unless they happen to be choosing what these people want. It's ridiculous and leads to swathes of fan insults and drama spreading.
@@QBeeIII Nothing except multiple reports form Nijisanji and Cover themselves have shown that: Nijisanji is 70%~ Female fans Hololive is 80%~ Male fans The overlap is minimal, someone who enjoys both is gonna be the Minority. If a Hololive fan goes to a Nijisanji clip then they should be ignore for the most part too.
@@QBeeIII nijisister doesn't mean you like nijisanji, it means a very specific kind of toxic nijisanji fan that demands mixed collabs and demonizes anyone who doesn't like them you can even see them right here pretending to respect mio's stance and immediately going on to attack people who feel the same way
Go look up the use of the term. Here, I'll even do you a favor: ライバー 定義 Liver is a commonly used term for Japanese live streamers. Notice all the results from websites completely unaffiliated with Nijisanji when you Google the word? Go spend some time in 5ch discussions about streamers (vtubers or otherwise) and see how frequently they're referred to as a liver. Maybe learn something.
people have their preference, some people okay with male collab, some people are not, there is nothing wrong with that, and i strongly agree with Mio on the good vibe between girls, especially within holo, it's something special and different from other agencies, essentially that's what made Holo stand out, went from a small startup to the industry leader.
i feel like she likes the girl x girl stuff more bc it relates to her preferences (i mean she did say that) but this might be a hint that shes lesbian? (which most unicorns objectify)
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 let's not go further about that topics, because it will summon another type of annoying horde, arguably more annoying than unicorns.
I can respect her choice and agree with her perspective. It's not the case that she's against it, or wants to stop it, it's just that it isn't what she wants to consume or put out there. I'm good with that! I also salute her courage to speak her mind; normally this kind of thing gets people all hot and bothered in the reply section 😶
@@MakotoTheKnight I don't agree myself but I respect it. It's her channel to govern, and I'm glad she's now open about it, even if it took more than half a decade to cut short the mongerings.
@@GoodOleDFT I guess where I agree is that I like to see the interactions between the girls too, but in fairness it's a spectrum rather than a hard and fast rule. These days there's always bound to be something that gets me to laugh, so I like to watch as much as I can. 😅
@@MakotoTheKnight i respect her choice, but imo it's not all about the relationship between the girls. Holostars actually have more talent that can be shown to outside people but they have no chance to show it, that's why i just hope they can include holostars in hologta cz many holostars is good at doing rp too. But maybe some mem still find it difficult to play with the holostars that might make the holostars didn't included in the event. Hologta is good many drama and roleplay, but i think next time they can give a chance to collab with holostars too with big event like this and if there's holomem can't play with opposite gender they can make their group themself without including the holostars
As a Holostars watcher... I think VCR RP is enough for me. The members who are fine with male interaction are already there anyway. And it's not forced either.@@StarDust-t2u
I dont understand people who come to Hololive streams and say holo girls should be like other vtubers and collabs with guys... Why don't you go watch those vtubers then? Hololive has their own identity and that is what I watch them for.
I mean, a lot of the Hololive girls DO collab with guys, though. Matsuri, Polka, Laplus, Korone, Bae, recently Elizabeth, basically all of Holo ID -- heck, even Sora has paid her dues at Roberu's bar, and even Kiara has started getting buddy-buddy with Koefficient! "All girls all the time" is hardly Hololive's "identity," it's just kind of the natural state of being when you're part of an all-girls group. But I'd say at this point, more Hololive girls have branched out to collab with men than those who haven't, and the resulting collabs have been a ton of fun. Personally, I watch the Hololive girls because they're great talents that are fun to see. This applies equally to those who have collabed with men as to those who haven't -- in fact, I'd say it perhaps applies even more to those who've branched out and collabed with men quite often, like Ollie, Kobo, Bae, and Matsuri, whose openness to co-ed collabs have created some absolutely legendary moments and interactions, from Kobo's many streams with Rrrrragus to Roberu's priceless reaction when Bae made him try vegemite for the first time. I respect Mio's decision here, but I do think it may hold her back a bit in the end -- her subscriber numbers and viewership are much smaller than most others of her generation, and limiting potential collab partners likely will do her no favors in that regard. It's a disappointing stance, but at least it's her own stance, and not her capitulating to idol "fans" -- and her honesty on the matter is greatly appreciated!
@@starboy9002 I'm a wall-of-texter. Every reply I write, everywhere, is a wall of text. It's just kind of what I do! Comes with being a translator and editor by trade, I guess. The tl;dr version is, I respect Mio's decision, but at the same time, it does disappoint me. I've never watched Mio much, admittedly, but I always thought she was one of the more open-minded members when it came to co-ed interactions. Learning that she's not has made me less inclined to watch her content in the future -- I guess similarly to how Mio herself is less inclined to watch other Holomems interact with male talent! So yes. It very much is "I respect her choice, but." And I think that's fair! That's how the internet should be. Respect the choices of others, but if you don't like them, you don't have to watch them. Doesn't mean I can't express my grievances, though! ;)
Even with the ones that do male collabs hololive is like 90% cute girls doing cute things content, a member could ignore a superchat about males/ skip a Collab with males involved/ avoid a Holostars reference/ not give male vtubers a follow in social media/ ignore forced fanarts of her X holostars or literally say "Male collabs are not going to happen" and you'll still have beggars going - "Well I respect that BUT we can convince her to change" "Never say never ;)" "I'm sure she will open up eventually" "I'm sure you are scared of the evil fans, just do male collabs to make them mad ;)"
So like why can't there just be a group of Female only Streamers? What's so wrong about that? Why do people want for EVERYTHING to the be same thing everywhere? Personally i think Hololive girls have been a great thing for female streamers in general. Has knocked off a lot of stigma that female streamers had for people, me include.
It's what helped them distinguish themselves from just being a Niji-lite early on. The people who think they should change really are mental. A lot of it comes down to them wanting the girls to boost the Stars popularity when that's really not their responsibility.
It Baffles me why those who Virtue signals Female empowerment are making the Hololive talents force to Collab with Males? Like are they even hearing themselves? By the end it's not about Female empowerment it's about "Owning the Chuds" and sabotage this community.
Nobody even said any of that. Her chat was asking about cross-company collabs; they didn't say anything about her playing with men. There are PLENTY of female-only streaming groups out there. The only person who mentioned co-ed collabs was Mio herself. And yet as always, the viewers in these comments have to turn it into some kind of weird crusade. Like seriously, you have weirdos here straight up attacking even the VCR events because they dare to feature men, accusing anyone who likes them as being "anti-Holo" despite the fact they're something Hololive members continue being invited to and attending.
Because the real incels are the ones asking and pushing these girls to do better by working with men. Because they are not allowed to be successful without males around.
I'm just a dude who got attracted to Hololive from Ayame and Korone's cute clips. And now, my free time is just full of watching Holomems. I don't watch male vtubers because I don't know much of them, and I'd rather watch Holomems in the time I'll spend in getting to know other vtubers now. I'm just out of discovering phase. I know what I want to watch. I only watch new vtubers when hololive debuts a new gen.
@@nagz7920 That's true. I did watch the recent debuts and few 3D lives but that was it. Their clips didn't show up in my feed so I didn't watch much more of them.
Ive been made to feel guilty and a hypocrite holofan bcs i dont watch the guys too, and ive always tried to see aspects that i can enjoy the guys from just to compensate. Sure, theres some funny times like ao and aruran’s interaction, but i really cant say i would deliberately go out of my way to watch them. I dont hate them, i just dont enjoy them as much. Im glad to see an actual holomem feels the same way of not really interested in watching guys.
maybe just maybe, since they(holostar) also had "idol" in their name, they always feels like tried to charm their audience whenever they stream on their's usual place. But they really shining whenever collab like vcr since their's idol status is not important. Welp, what can i say, i also never watch their stream but only clip.
@@illuminaughty2813 should've put your last sentence at front so I don't bother reading all that /jk Joke aside, while yes some Stars do brand themselves as idol, I don't see any intention to 'charm' the audience whenever I watched their stream. They don't do BFE either, so at the end of the day it's really just a preference, no need to put anything complicated behind it.
@@wolfwoof4446 Sad to hear that what is supposed to be the core audience of Hololive gets treated like this. Just remember that you're not alone, the vast majority of Hololive fans watch the girls alone. Having a preference for the type of stream you want to watch isn't something you should feel guilty about.
I said this for years, if the demand for boys and girls interaction are actually feasible they would do it without the beggars begging. Like the beggars don't even spend or watch as much as the 'unicorn' counterpart, so why would they appeal to that area? Don't you think beggars don't actually want to see their oshi collab with males, but they just spite 'unicorn' and supposedly want to see them 'suffer'?
unicorn/gachikoi are people who really support their oshi financially. What's the difference between beggars and antis? They both don't like Hollive getting support
Normal fans : oh i love this cute girl, she is funny, she is entertaining, she is good singer etc. Collab beggar : oh i love this girl because she collab with da boiz. I will watch a tons of her clips only when she is collab with da boiz. BRUHHHHH
Maybe. To me seems more like a case of Mio being older, older people being more traditional, and the idol culture tradition of no co-ed under any circumstances, for better or worse. And if any nationality knows anything about sticking to tradition, it's the Japanese.
@@anagittigana I think favoring girls-only content is pretty normal for most Hololive viewers. I'd assume they'd prefer watching other vtuber orgs or streamers who are more open to mixed gender collabs, if that wasn't the case.
Id have to agree that 'yuck' isn't quite the correct translation here, though its hard to put the correct one into words. Ugh also doesn't sound quite right as well. She literally goes 'Uu', so think like a sudden heart pain that makes you grab your chest. Think the old man holding his chest meme, like that. An uncomfortable painful sensation.
As someone who watched the NijiGTA and HoloGTA I can confidently day that HoloGTA is better. HoloGTA actually did Roleplay, many moments resemble existing pop culture references like Subaru x Kanade being a Shonen jump manga called Kochikame. There is also the Baket family drama becoming a sope opera, in the EN side we got Kronii bring a Grade A Karen with the whole police force on her ass lol. Sora and Azki being country bumpkins who got tricked into signing into being Cabaret Dancers and being corrupted by it. I could name more but I think I made my point.
the whole police force being regular in cabaret is not something I expect but love lmao. and the gang being wholesome family, making Ao-kun questioning whos the real gangster.
@@deanthomas2305it all boils down to what fans know them as and what the RP they do and their performance. NijiGTA has organic comedic moments but none of them are RP related
Its wrong to compare both NijiGTA & HoloGTA, they are both fruits but you can`t compare an Orange to Apple you know. NijiGTA has its fair share of great content too like Enigma/Cabaret Yakuza/Purpleman, you doesn`t need to bring down others to make yourself looks good.
@@Tamashii994 Yeah sure it is apples to oranges comparison but Hololive is the Orange and Orange is the better fruit lol. - Has more Vitamins and Minerals and can aid digestion - Has a protective Shell against pests - Doesn't spoil easily - overall better product Translate it to Hololive it means - More quality talents or "Livers" as you call them - has better community and don't attack their talents by simply eating McDonald's lol - each talent is being taken care of evenly - I mean need I say more? lol
@@squalleonkeneddyheart4191 None of what you said has jackl to do with the actual events. If you prefer one over the other, cool, but you're flat out making shit up. Go watch Corvus Interpreter's 11 hour series on *just* Furen's perspective of the whole Enigma journey, and tell me there's no story arcs, rp'ing, drama, or referencing.
I feel the exact same way as Miosha. I like seeing cute girls doing cute things and their interactions/collabs with each other. It's the kind of entertainment I want and it's what I'm watching Hololive for. I just avoid any male collabs. More than anything, it's very important to respect the girls' decisions. If they're not doing what you want then just go watch one of the girls that does. It's that simple. Everyone can have their preferences so long as they don't harass anyone over it imo.
I don't think the meaning of Unicorn is particularly different, it's just been massively misinterpreted (oftentimes in a purposefully bad-faith manner) by certain wings of western 'Tourists'.
It's pretty straightforward: "Unicorns" are the fans who act like the world is ending if their oshi gets within five feet of a man who isn’t Yagoo. They start doomposting, claiming the idol is now "tainted" or a "slut" and that they can never trust her again. Having a preference is one thing, but enforcing it with a zero-tolerance mindset is another. The ones who push this absolute zero-tolerance policy are the Unicorns. As a Westerner, while I mostly watch female VTubers-99.9% of the time-I’m not going to lose my mind if they collaborate with a guy every now and then, especially for major projects like Rust or GTA, where having 100+ people in the same game just makes sense. She said herself that they could use 2x the amount of people for GTA. That being said I did enjoy the all female cast so I wouldent mind if they just start truing out the next waves instead. A solid wave for each JP/EN/ID would help round out the compnay.
ngl i found hololive PRODUCTION through girl clips, and only then i started to get recommendations of holoboys, and i went "oh its like hololive but for boys! i didnt know theres one for male vtubers!" and bopped on both mio has the lesbian charm that a lot of girl fans can relate to. just hope that the male fans she have arent misogynists tho
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 I'd argue it's vastly more misogynist to want more guys in vtubing when it's literally the only female dominated field for content creation.
I can't believe the unicorns and their invisible guns are forcing Holo talent to not work with men! They should be allowed to collab with whoever they want! *Holo talent mentions they're allowed to collab with whoever they want but prefer women* Nooooo not like this you're doing it wrong, obey me~~~~!
@@SDE1994i agree with your opinion, holostars also a part of hololive so they can be given a chance to collab or play together but not forcing the one didn't want to collab with male vtubers. I know they're idol but when streaming game they're the same as common streamer. So as a listener i want both to have equal chance, i respect mio choice that just want to see relationship between girls but if you watch towa/akirose/matsuri they can play with male streamer/vtuber without having feeling included, they just think them as friend or family that they have in every encounter and they just want to maintain their good relationship to play together
Consider, if you would, the fact that the Holomems themselves are also fans of Hololive. They have preferences for the content they like to watch, same as anyone. They're just in the position where they can create the content they want to see. Not necessarily to then watch their own content, of course. It's more about the feedback loop of supply and demand centered around the content they prefer.
I don't like Male collabs, but not for the "They are dating raaah" reason, more like, I don't find the same vibes and humor from men, I don't enjoy them. And I know a lot of other fans who think the same. People just don't enjoy men. And that fact is even more common in Idol spaces. Maybe is because I'm a female, so I want a female only space. Covers are ok, they're good tbh.
This only applies to this vtber idol culture space... The biggest channels are still people who who collab with anyone. Personally I loved the Calli collabs with the Holo boys. She and her chat seemed to be have the grandest time too from the clips I had seen. And there isn't there also Roberu with Mea being basically the most shipped pairing among holofans and staff lol
@@comfyfizz7124Comparing a niche like vtubing to normal content creators seems redundant. And its not much different for them, their audience also has things they watch and things they don't watch. It comes down to the branding of a particular creator.
@@comfyfizz7124 I'd like to point out that "the biggest channels", when it comes to female streamers, are VTubers, though. And that's with large majority of top female VTubers "handicap" their viewership by streaming on UA-cam (YT is a lot stricter when it comes to counting viewers compared to Twitch) On the other hand, top male normal streamers are way bigger than VTubers, but they target different audiences altogether and follow different standards / kinds of contents
I won't force Mio or other Holomebers if their hearts are intolerant or not used to collaborating with male VTubers. Mio's statement was the same as what Kanata said. yeah... when it comes to collabs with male VTubers, there are already several Holomembers who often do it, such as Akirose, Ayame, Laplus, Towa, and Fubuki. let them represent the Hololive Collaboration with Holostar or other Male VTubers.
I don't know, I always thought this topic was pretty simple. They stream with whoever and however they are most comfortable with. Just like they don't all play certain games. I think that's a pretty great deal since that means they feel less restricted and will want to keep doing what they are doing. While I'd love to see more Stars interaction, the boys are given the same boundaries. It's all good imo
I'm glad Miosha ended up saying something; that's just my preference. Because they are idols and because I'm here for my oshi who's a cute girl vtuber. If I watch collabs, I want to see them with other girls. Just let them do what they want, and let people watch what they want.
There are also some hologirls that collab just fine with males like Towa, La+, Aki, Robocco, Choco, Botan, among others. There are several that already stated themselves to be uncomfortable with it. And honestly, it's good to let the talents decide for themselves
Don't know why this is hard to understand for a lot of people. Hololive is a female idol group, the members are the once who created this environment. They love the environment they have created and don't want it changed. If you don't like it then don't watch it, going around making fantasies about how they want to collab with males but don't because muh unicorn/gatchi/fans just makes you an anti.
I'd say that since Stars EN landed there have slowly been more transplants from over from the NijiEN fandom. Often when I see complaints about Holo's fandom on Twitter for example it's generally from people that have a mix of Stars and NijiEN oshi marks or had a histroy of posting about those vtubers before the EN branch over there cratered. They just wanted a new place and couldn't handle that other people don't what they want.
I've always deemed them as casuals and for a good reason. They only think of themselves on what they personally enjoy and hope to see instead of respecting their oshi's wishes.
That's right. Even now they barely have any interaction with each other, but putting them in the same agency is just causing unnecessary drama. They should be separated to make the noisy minority give up on begging for collaboration.
The community causes drama all on its own. You're just making excuses for them. This clip is a perfect example of it. Mio answered an innocent question about a cross-company (they never said co-ed) collab server to get a higher player count, and people here have turned it into some stupidass male vs female and "holo only" vs everyone else war. The EN fanbase really are the worst part of vtubing.
Not much people aware but ever since the graduation of the two EN Holostars since last year (shortly before Advent debut) Hololive are currently having the best and most peaceful no-drama time period right now (aside from the unavoidable graduations of course). It's the greatest time to be a Hololive fan right now, just enjoying and supporting their own individual oshis in their lanes. Of course, only outsiders hate seeing this current state of Hololive
They are seperated. Only Vtuber Fans being the usual brain-melted asylum escapees they are can't handle something this simple that most entertainment companies do.
@@goldendrain1776 Of course, because you and your little clique have been basking on it like it's a win. Tell us how you really feel about ERB's debut now.
So, Mio Mama is a Yuri enthusiast. Good to know. But in all seriousness, I get it. When she mentioned idols at the beginning, that struck a chord because I know idols aren't really supposed to have too much interaction with men, so the mentality checks out.
Based Cute Wolfu. I'm also a CGDCT Enjoyer. "You know they all have boyfriends, right?" I don't care, I just want to watch what I like. Everything else is not my business.
@@senny- It's like seeing a bunch of puppies/kittens/your choice of cute animals playing in front of you. Makes you go "aww cute!" Occasionally they'll do something dumb/stupid and make you laugh your ass off.
Well, I hate harems, too, and how they make their female cast useless. Not my favorite genre, but I also used to watch CGDCT, like K-on, Non Non Byori stuff like that. Recently, I was an avid Bokita shipper from BTR, because they're so cute and they deserve each other. But it's not like I'm gonna go nuts when a male character appears in those shows. I don't get the outrage. Males kinda of do exist irl.
A female-male collab is a different dynamic and vibe. Its the same reason male conversations and female conversations completely change when someone of the opposite gender enters the other's. If your unfamiliar with it or dont know the other person's vibe, it can get awkward very easily. I think if theyre gonna do a female-male collab, they should make an event or performance out of it. That way both sides have something to focus on and then end the collab when its over. Also not to mention the shippers and super fans...
Collab beggars really don't understand the big picture. You can't just wake up and go "hey let's play this with these people" and it happens. Schedules need to line up, the streamers need to have some sort of common ground or knowledge of each other, and even then the collab itself usually lasts for 1-2 hours on average. "Oh just play with Holostar" is lame too because not everyone watches both sides. Yeah there's an idol culture in Japan that limits male/female interaction, but here's the thing - the streamer makes the rules for who they stream with. Go watch any of the millions of others out there who collabe with anyone and everyone, and those who post their IRL selves yet still claim to be a Vtuber - those are the ones that collab beggars should flock to instead.
@@frobsonsdesenhos That _is_ what unicorns are tho. They're called that coz unicorns the mythical creatures only accepted virgin girls as riders. It's just that unicorns are more obsessed with keeping their favorite female streamers away from males than just "not interested". IMO: -Hearing that your oshi might collab with a guy and reacting with either "oh that sounds cool" or "hmm, idk..."? Normal reaction. -Reacting with "HOW DARE YOU, I WILL DESTROY ALL MY MERCH OF YOU AND HATE YOU UNLESS YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND!!!"? Yeah unicorn.
I get what she feels. Male and Female collabing has this sense of awkwardness. especially when playing role play in games, especially mature games like GTA. But collabing for singing, talk show or competitive game like FPS, Fighting, or DOTA is ok though. Oh by the way yuck and ugh is not the same.
Awkwardness, tiptoeing (especially around mock flirting that same-gender collabs do all the time), and when things get chaotic and loud and (mock) aggressive, not every woman wants to match the rowdy energy. So yeah, it's 💯% a different vibe and fair to not want to be a part of it.
am i the only one who is wondering who exactly is pushing her/them to do anything? lol the comment in the video said "collab with other companies" not "collab with males" so im confused why half the comments here are using the word "push". I watch quite a bit of live streams and archives/clips, and i dont ever remember seen someone commenting it either. When has any member been "pushed" to collab with males?
Well to the unfortunately perpetually socially maladapted individual (of where there are a lot in his fandom) apparently the idea of -wanting- something even unrealistically or even questioning it is some manner of sin and means you're trying to push / beg even though simple viewers can't push anything and there isn't and never has been a large contingent of people going "you must collab!" or anything. Its at most just spoken personal desires, personal disappointment, group fights, and personal concerns but to some this is a problem. I'm sure there are some people who are a very annoying about it but its generally not what I see. Basically never. At most there was HLZNTL (which had more to do with Esports than males) but no one pushed them into anything. They were asked to do a thing, it didn't work out, and they didn't do it again. Never has a member been pushed to do anything. So this whole issue is just fandom stupidity.
Yuck is not the best onomatopoeia. That reflects disgust but she is talking about pain or discomfort. I would have used Ugh. Way closer to how it sounds too
as someone who watch hololive for their streamer side and not their idol side since idol culture is not my thing I never opposed to male collab but given how hololive brand is positioned it's totally understandable that most of them prefer to not collab with male streamer, I love seeing cute girls tho so I'm not complaining.
@@azurerider812 Same as anyone that _doesn't_ mind cross-gender collabs is automatically a beggar. And anyone that so much as thinks of enjoying another company is automatically a Nijisister. Intellectual dishonesty is their bread and butter.
The worst thing about this whole topic is the hate and vitriol that's spewed alongside it. It's kinda insane how things can escalate so fast. It's just so tiresome.
Part of the problem is the culture warrior raiders that try to make a stink for the Holostars whether or not they actually watch them. I make a pretty normal comment and they come in trying to suggest I support antis, dox people, etc. They're exceedingly unwell and sadly folks like this have anti'd Hololive for ages.
As someone who watches both Hololive and Holostars and would like to see more collaborations between them, I respect Mio's decision and think it is entirely valid even if I cannot relate to her reasons for it. I think it's a shame, as I think there is a lot of potential fun to be had with it like with the Pizzeria that Aruran ran and his subsequent friendship with Ao, but most of all I think that talents should not ever be forced into something they do not wish to do, by either the agency itself or the fans. And I also recognize that especially because of the nature of their profession as entertainers that it probably wouldn't make for great entertainment if the talents felt super awkward about whatever they were doing so forcing things is also bad in that regard. I appreciate her honesty in this regard very much and will continue to enjoy her content as before.
speaking of which, do you remember when people thought that the management is "forcing fwmc to collab with stars" when the promo for holofes (an event which involves both agencies btw) showed men on screen? and they thought they went silent "because they hate men grrr" and its just- look ruffians youre making your oshi look bad to anyone who just discovered vtubers thinking they enable freaks like you and its not good they held that so well unlike the ppl over on lets say reddit
I’m not really sure why this always seems to be such a divisive issue. Letting the members decide for themself what they are comfortable with as it is now feels like the only way that makes sense. I think Hololive is in a good spot where there are plenty of members that only collab with other female streamers, and plenty that don’t have any restrictions as all. I Personally have two Oshi and one is from the former group and the other the latter because it has never really been something I cared about. If the talent is forced one way or the other, the content they put out is not going to be as good.
I think it’s divisive because it can come across as sexism. And if it were just your average VTuber viewer avoiding male streams on purpose, I would say that it’s sexist because more likely than not, you are assuming that you won’t like the content they put out mainly because of their sex/gender. Not wanting to produce certain content is something that I can understand however.
It's not really "divisive", it's just the common sentiment among 99% hololive fans, it's only a few loud minorities that spam collab begging requests under every single thing involving the girls that cause trouble. Some poor artist was drawing cat-type holos in a fanart and even he got hit with the "please draw holostars too" comment. It's so widespread and a terrible look for that side of the fanbase. At least some people on reddit are pushing back on this behavior but the twitter crowd is just too far gone, or just outright refusing to acknowledge the problem.
@@cyberdsaiyan I wouldn’t say that the sentiment of actively disliking co-ed collabs is common, and if so, I’m certainly not part of that group. But I would say that the sentiment of liking the vibes that Hololive in-group collabs give is common. If Hololive were a tight-knit co-ed group instead, I’d love it just as much and we likely wouldn’t be having this conversation here.
@@ranstuff12572Why do people like you push the Nijisanji agenda? Like seriously bro? Nijisisters aside why can't y'all accept that "Hololive is an Idol Group composed of Women?" You are free to think whether Idol Culture is wierd but if you do please the door is right there.
@@ranstuff12572 Nijisanji and several other small EN corpos exist for people that like that type of content, Hololive is unique because of their all-girls-school vibe, multiple girls including Miko, Mumei, Subaru etc. have stated how they love this atmosphere. Naturally both talents and fans want to keep this atmosphere and vibe intact.
This is a perfectly fine take to have, people shouldn’t have a problem with it. Do things with who you want to do things with. Just please, don’t go out of your way to hate on the members who DO do things with other guys, or the stars. Remember the whole Kronii situation with the first gen of en stars? Even the official holo account had to make a statement saying she can collab with anyone she wants because of the hate she was getting for it. No one should collab beg, and no one should hate on co-ed collabs. It’s that simple. Let the members do what they feel comfortable doing, and don’t hate either way. It’s all supposed to be a positive environment here, and we should always try and keep it that way.
@@Z.A.D.D. Kronii with Tempus, Ao with Aruran, or Raden when she scheduled a collab talk with Joe Rikiichi of Niji. These fake fans do be foaming behind their masks.
i feel like this channel in general is bad for hololive enjoyers (and i mean hololive AND holostars) bc mistranslations can cause misunderstandings and misunderstandings can lead to discrimination. look at what happened to lev 18 22. it used to refer to pederasty, but now the people who promoted the book is spreading false information to fuel their ego
Just remember if they don't collab, don't complain, if they do collab don't complain. Everyone's excuses are stupid and pitiful, support your oshi whatever their choice.
I mean... When playing games with others, it is usually not a girl/guy thing. Been online gaming a lot, and only a few times there's been one or two girls playing along the guys. I still really like seeing this happen, or be part of it in the background, you know... But I would feel so strange if I was the one doing the quests or objectives alone with a girl while playing games. So I totally understand what she means if she was to stream with a guy. Especially when it needs to be on a professional level, it kind of distrupts the purpose of having fun while at it.
I personally like the mixed streams, it add some uniqueness, and the guys tend to be very respectful, well it doesnt happen often, so I treasure it the few times it happened, in holoverse at least.
@@stikyfinkaz183 One thing I like is seeing how far into the pseudo-toxic trash talk banter the girls can go since the boys take it in stride and everyone laughs. In all-female collabs they don't unsheathe the verbal claws as hard, or as often.
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A lot of people don't understand that female otaku is pretty much the same as male otaku. They don't feel comfortable interacting with the other gender.
And the exceptions prove the rule.
In the end, everyone is just acting like morons.
As someone else wrote, "Don't push them to do collabs with male vtubers, don't punish them when they DO collab with male Vtubers."
If it happens, tough shit. Wait for the next stream if you hate it that much.
If the vtuber flat out says it's not going to happen, tough shit. Write fanfic if you want it that much.
I'm not sure why this is so difficult.
I agree. I know someone that pushes them to collab with males, and I'm like gawd, your must as bad as the unicorns.
It's really just as simple as respecting their decision either way. While I personally can't understand the hate towards Holostars, everyone has their preferences including the talents. I hope Liz lets more talents who do have an interest in collabing with the whole company feel more comfortable. She's been a breath of fresh air. I'd never ask for collabs though. Even between the girls that feels weird to me unless it's brought up. It's one of the rules to not bring up other talents when not being discussed anyway.
I just think it's hilarious how worked up people get over the whole idea, when Mio's the only one who even mentioned it. Chat never said anything about a collab server with men, just people from outside the company. Nothing about that necessitates the presence of male vtubers, and her viewers know that by this point.
Ngl, I don't care who they Collab with, I just want to see them stream and have fun
i'm confused as to what you mean by punishing
as far as i know, unicorns have no power to do anything except stop supporting and stop watching
are you saying people should be forced to watch and support something they don't like?
Whole comments section seems like 5 dudes arguing with each over and over again..
Because It is
I even almost memorized who's who
Hello everyone how’s your day
oof it is, and I think the TL also is part of it some Discord server's TL is different on the "Yuck" part than here. So yeah the Clip is made for ragebait.
16k views (when i write this comment) and 1.1k comment, holy they really like fighting
Having watched both the girls, the boys and even their collabs (yes, I have no life)
The dynamic are different, the vibe, the way they do things are different, even their preference are different. It's all different experience between all girls, all boys and mixed.
It just matter of what vibe they prefer, if the girls like sticking to the atmosphere of girls doing girls things, it's fine. If they want the more co-ed dynamic, it's also fine. This is often the case, with how a lot of them talked about it, rather than fear of some random unicorns out of thousands or millions of fans they have.
For us viewers, we just need to pick what they have and enjoy it. If it ain't your taste, then just don't watch it, just watch something else, simple. No point trying to argue should they or should they not. They are all adults, with managers behind them. And Cover knows what they doing to expand their brand and the talents channel.
I once thought about joining Holostars, but as soon as my conscience was clear I gave up on the idea. I felt I wanted to hang out with Hololive members because of how friendly and happy they were with each other. So really my reasoning was mostly a parasocial want -- a mix of admiration and envy (how sad is that, right? 😕 ). Such a motive is obviously unhealthy and could lead to trouble. I also later realized such a thing isn't possible anyway, not because of outside influence, but because most of them are introverts that avoid socializing with any men.
So yeah, your comment pretty much sums up how impractical male to female Holocollabs are. I mean, when was the last time we saw a Holostars member collab with a Hololive member, particularly HoloEN?
@@GawainW you're overthinking this
@@GawainW Yeah, even the boys also talk a bit about it. It pretty much boiled down to the vibe and how comfortable are they during the collab.
Even if people want a co-ed collab between this and that talents out of the blue, are we sure it's gonna be enjoyable when both of them barely knew anything about each other? Forcing things will just make it awkward, and awkward stream make for awkward experience for the viewers.
For the content creators like these talents, able to have fun and enjoy themselves is the top priority. Cause it's not video editing or acting out a script, it's a stream where they play games or do things together to entertain us, it's "live". And the audience will 100% knows if they aren't enjoying thing.
Just let it happens naturally, if it happens to be the pair you want to see, good, you get to appreciate it more. If not, then just let it go, it's a false expectation you set up for yourself anyways.
Plus, when things happen naturally, you get peak contents like with Pizzaria family, or Liz and Flayon banter like sibling, Kobo Altare things, HoloSalt, Ao-kun getting bullied by literally every Holostars she met and it still fun to watch.
Beside, the Holostars and Hololive collabs aren't that so much rare you have to force it to happens. Like they aren't even as rare as HoloExodia Collab or worse... HoloForce or Suntempo Collab.
Perhaps I am overthinking, but I can't rule that out as a possibility from what I've seen, past and present. Those like Kiara have experienced idol culture first hand before she even started Hololive, and how obsessive men can be for female idols. The thing is that those in Japan don't want to see female idols with other men, because they themselves want to believe that they have a chance with them. Sad (and creepy) but true. Then there's the other hand, though likely in a similar vein. Some fans, particularly overseas fans, who want to SEE more interactions between Hololive and Holostars -- an opposite to what Japanese fans want. Seeing gender neutral parties between Holomems is one thing, but expecting some of them to connect romantically is another. Remember when Altaire was teasing Kronii during the Dead By Daylight collab? A lot of people had the misconception that teasing was the same as flirting, so they were "shipping" those two together. Kronii had to address this too. Why would those fans think a Hololive and Holostars member could hit it off? Why would they support such a thing? Think about that.
Although I could also be thinking this because I haven't seen any clips or collabs involving Holostars as often as some would have hoped. Though through the majority of evidence I am aware of, the former thought is the one that makes the most sense to me. Almost every fan has a parasocial side to them, some more than others. As much as they want to deny it, it's true.
This is more about hololive audiences, it was created to interact female vtubers with a male audience, so the company is betting on the audience that makes the most profit
Don't push them to do collab with male vtubers, Don't Punish them when they do collab with male Vtubers.
This is the way.
Amen! 🙏
preach
For the people in the back!
I don't punish them, I just stop watching them. 😎
Those pushing for male collabs should really understand that not every female vtuber is comfortable with it. It's a matter of preference. Let them be with what they want to do. There are already plenty of chuba out there who's comfortable with it, watch them instead.
I mean I get that and a vtuber is free to collab with who they want when they want. But at the end most of the explanation is because they're a femcel or that their fans are... Weird.
Tho I guess that's mainly hololive there are plenty other agencies that do mix genders do tbh it's whatever
@@ZHibiki "Femcels" Man, holostar fans really are holoantis
I love seeing the cross-gender collabs, but at the same time I get that this really is something that has to come naturally. You aren't gonna get an entertaining stream if the people involved really have no interest in the other party or even what's going on, and forcing/pressuring people to collab with each other when they barely know anything about them other than "they work at the same company as me" just puts stress on them too. At the end of the day they're all people, and just because people work under the same umbrella doesn't mean they're instantly going to hit it off.
I mean in this case they not pushing them to collab with male vtubers 😅
In the first place mio just speak up that it will be more fun if more members can joining in, because make sense with how big the map in GTA it needs more people in it. And then mio fans only said "collab with other companies" probably referring to invite female vtubers outside hololive because they didnt even said holostar dude, especially it's hololive game project, they can directly invite indie / company with only female vtubers.
no one is forcing male collabs on girls tho? all i see is people saying "oh pls i want gura to collab with [insert hologirl]" which is just another case of collab begging
Admit it. There are more phasekeks and nijikeks in this comment section stirring the pot than there are actual holo fans. The actual holofans are actually watching the content instead of trying to make this "drama" bigger than it actually is.
There are more phasekeks and nijikeks here than their branches have average ccv.
Literal dramabeggers who can't even be bothered to watch their own vtubers 😂
@@TeeDude-k3w can confirm. I never heard of a hologirl fan go "oh my god mio is so based for this frfr" but they said "oh ill have to keep that in mind then"
No sane holofans would dog on fellow holofans because doing that is a sign that theyre a faker
While potential fan outrage is something that might matter for some members, I feel like the main reason why most of the girls in Hololive don't collab with Holostars is the same reason why most Hololive viewers don't watch Holostars- it's not what they're here for and not what they're interested in.
i mean thats obvious considering most of the hololive fan base is made up of males...males that kinda dont see the light of day sometimes. guys that wanna see cute kawaii girls do cute kawaii things with their kawaii voices.
@@Nthdegree2 yes, and those males are the ones that feeds them too
Exactly
@@lifdrazor The girls don't owe you anything. "They feed them" do you hear yourself you sad subhuman being?
While I do agree, those incel minorities do be very vocal
The thing is even female unicums don’t like their male vtubers interact with female ones
Breed them together.
Get new unicorn mutants.
@@nguyenho5859 holostar fan here!
I like irys
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 well, too bad your stand doesn’t matter much.
@@nguyenho5859 isnt me proving that i can enjoy any content despite being a bigger fan to something you dont have interest in something you wanna hear?
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 your statement explains the problem pretty clearly, it is just you, the unicums can't careless.
Slightly different perspective here, aside from the "idol" angle: Mio's comments reminds me of my friends who attended all-girls secondary schools (not sure of other equivalents, but 13-16 years old) and overall most of them won't want to trade that experience for a co-ed one. It's a safe space to be, well, silly in their own way. I attended an all-boys school and I feel that way as well (though honestly we were more stupid than silly). The social dynamics are just different compared to co-ed schools.
And besides, it's her content and her career. It's her choice.
miko has literally stated over and over that one of the things she likes the most about hololive is that it feels like going to an all girls high school every day
the people who push for mixed collabs do not care about what the girls want, they do not respect what they want, they just want them to shut up and collab with the stars so they can ship them
@@starboy9002Yeah, and the Holomems best known for not collabing with guys are the ones from all-girls schools. What a surprise~ (deadpan voice) Like, idk much about Japanese culture but when I remember how sadly common sekuhara and stalking is over there, am I supposed to be surprised that Holomems prefer the company of other girls?
@@starboy9002 That is some serious strawmanning, especially with the "they just wanna ship them" comment. Kobo and Altare were popular despite their sibling vibes, Calli explicitly mentioned that if anything, she'd rather the Tempus bois be considered her sons etc.
Hell, if anything I'd argue it's the gachikois and unicorns who hate-ship them, weirdos that they are. Like, I've watched Kronii's interactions with the bois. None of them were even a little romantic or shippable. Most of it was a "comedic frenemies" tone. Yet seething gachikois insisted on interpreting her interactions with them in a sexual light. Calli, again, never gave me a vibe that seemed "shippable" but what do you know-I saw plenty of comments involving her too, where people would insinuate sexual relationships between her and the Stars members.
Hell, the fact that I've seen hate porn from gachikois on multiple occassions makes them look even more deranged to me. How are you going to look at a perfectly healthy, platonic, male-female interaction and be so mentally ill that you have to take it as some act of betrayal and make porn of a non-existent relationship to try and stir people up further.
I'm not saying you're one of em, I'm just saying you sound concerningly similar.
@@JohnDoe-pc3uk holy fuck i'm not reading any of that, all i'll say is people very conveniently forgot all about how when nodoka was first introduced you people shipped her so hard with that one EN star it became really weird and she had to stop appearing for a while and only came back rather recently
@starboy9002 Zeta literally completely stopped collabing with dudes because the fandom shipping her with Axel got so terrible and invasive.
It’s impossible for Nodoka to be brought up in English without some idiot bringing up Axel based on one collab they did over a year ago.
Shiori replied to Flayon on Twitter once, it has resulted in literally hundreds of porn art of the two courtesy of the pro-Collab okbuddyhololive subreddit.
The Stars fanbase is very bad with unwanted shipping. You’re right that Kronii and Vesper’s actions weren’t romantic, but that didn’t stop Vesperonii from being a massive ship.
And people were being up Vesper so much in her chat after he graduated that she has his name banned in her chat, your comment is automatically removed if you mention him
They are idols after all, and she respects the tittle of idol.
@@7andaswitchbladeYes.
@@Cuacky_RK not true lol, real life idols Interact with males all the time
@@jm8a819 what does your comment imply?
What are Idols?
@@jm8a819 would say the same thing for tokino sora, yes?
Nah, as a female myself, I agree with her, its not for gachikoi or unicorn reasons, I just like the vibe better with all females. I still watch the girls even if they have collabed with males, I just avoid those streams.
@@alycans That's a healthy and respectable outlook. Co-ed vibes are really not for everyone, they get a lot rowdier than a girls-only collab.
Exactly, it's about personal preference and comfort, I don't enjoy it and avoid it because I'm simply not comfortable with it
idk my childhood is full of me playing together with girl and even i get asked do i want to go out with them all to the restourant, i said yes, and i was the only Male in their group XD, even the restourant waiter say that im their bodyguard XD
idk its fun to play with girl, even if im a male, i respect their to and they respect me back
well i live in indonesia, and indonesia people dont care if they play with girl or male, as long they having fun that mean they are friend, even in school teacher sometime will make group work of both male and female so they can get along too, you can see holo id can easily getting along with holostars..
@@ぼぺんげ It's not about you
A lot of people don't realize that there are many "unicorns" even among hololive members themselves.
And I think Japanese people see the term unicorns the same as we see the term simp. It is not as bad as it used to be.
source?
@@divingradish they even labeled themselves as one sometimes, and take proud from it lmao 😂
@@kaigaikarano they do play around that term, even Inuyama Tamaki have his own unicorn outfit lmao
Proud is a strong word but Japanese do understand what unicorn means, I see it more like self-depreciating jokes when they label themselves as unicorns
Even among the male members, lol. A lot of them do their own thing and refuse to collab with the g*rls
Here comes comments labeling holos as 'livers'
yeah its weird that 🦄 are labeling the talents, no matter the gender, as one when the reason being they have the ability to communicate with each other (because they would probably trust a holostar than any other male strangers in public)
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 Is this written by ChatGPT?
They're gonna claim that Mio, who had the balls to calmly scold Cover over the 3rd Fes banner incident (Luna disappeared from the banner in the 3rd Fes venue) on stream is "too scared of unicorns" to _aCkSuALly_ say her ""true opinions.""
Lol, lmao even. Holomems can do whatever they want, except when that "whatever" runs counter to their headcanon, then suddenly it's "actually they're being forced".😂
@@Helmir no, but why are YOU here instead of hiding in reddit?
@@HudaefCares didnt shuba featured holostars once in her channel
And there is some guy several days ago before the HoloGTA starts and he says HoloGTA would be boring and it is no fun without holostar and I think now he is dying that his expectation didn't achieve. It is so much fun and chaotic that the girls did and we all enjoy it and girls did our expectation was beyond that! ABSOLUTLY CINIMATIC!
we could make movies out of this crazy week!
I imagine he'll pretend it wasn't that good or that it'd be better with Stars. Some people cannot accept that there are a lot of people that just want to watch the girls and that they're vastly more popular than males in vtubing.
I agree. However, in my opinion, VCR GTA with male and female vtubers turned out to be a much larger, more dynamic and interesting event than HoloGTA, although it also had its own highlights and innovations.
i was thinking abt the same thing; what if cover hosts an omega collab where ppl who are comfortable with each other can collab in one server? it would be interesting to see that in action
@@Deathellos vcr in general is so vast and has more content being put in just one week. shibuya did a great job on providing genres of content from different perspectives and groups
Male, female, combat helicopter, a fucking toaster, whatever they want to collab with or not, should be up to them not anyone else.
Agreed. Respect that she stood on what she said too. Not to say I hate the members who do those collabs, it's just not my thing.
@@mysticruin6043 It's definitely not a thing for everyone.
A lot of holostar haters out there are willing to harass their idols in many ways if they collab.
Glad you are not one of them.
@@gazardガザード Citation needed.
@@jin12345678 no point getting bothered about it, it will inevitably happen to content creators. When people express their opinions at least they get feedback they can choose to take or ignore rather than utter silence, you don't really want an echo chamber of positivity either. If they're fine with the response and keep creating content eventually the hate will go away after their fanbase has properly solidified.
@@taeybae5086 I mean there's feedback and there's also what happened when Kronii streamed with Holostars.
As someone who’s been primarily a stars fan since stars en debuted, I’ve always hated the collab beggars. All it did was make the guys look bad and bothered the girls. While I’m sure a majority of collab beggars were just socially inept stars fans, I swear that some of the begging was a psyop by stars or holopro antis.
I think the holostars collab/interact like 10x more often with girls from other vtuber agencies outside of cover which is interesting in of itself
Holostars is considerably smaller than the girls, both in term of size of members and also the amount of attractions they can pull by themselves.
Cause there isn't much choice. and mixed collabs are normal in Niji and Vspo
@@sorakazeharu They do. Ever wonder why what Aki said to him had as much impact as it did? The famous "you're Hololive too, you're the same as us!" quote.
I'm against collabs outside Hololive in general. I just think the world building gets better if they stick with eachother. But exceptions are fine as long as it's not often enough to break the dynamic. But this seems to be common sense policy for how Japan manages groups. Every agency should follow this standard to strengthen their brand.
Holo GTA, Minecraft, Mario Kart etc wouldn't be the same if it was open entry. And I think you can apply this also to normal collabs and storytelling about offline meetups.
The issue with including Holostars more is that some members would embrace them and some would avoid them. This is bad since it creates unnecessary division. The same would happen to the viewer base.
Bad take lol alot of holos are friends with niji
holoGTA is only available because it's an all-girls... some joke wont be available if its done by male vtuber or it will become sekuhara or atleast they have to hold back more
Far too often I see comments on YT, Twitter, etc that refuse to respect the simple idea that maybe, just maybe, the girls are making their own choice when they don't stream with Stars, etc. For these people, a Holo member is never actually choosing what they themselves want unless they happen to be choosing what these people want. It's ridiculous and leads to swathes of fan insults and drama spreading.
ohno its you the one whos doxxing my info to anyone. yikes
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Get a clue.
He is the one who supports the antis
God man Helmir has arrived
@@Sundonower You folks make up lies constantly, so not surprising to see you doing more of it here.
You know who's a nijisister in this comment section when they say "livers". Lol
Completely out of the loop, whats wrong with liking nijisanji streamers??
@@QBeeIII Nothing except multiple reports form Nijisanji and Cover themselves have shown that:
Nijisanji is 70%~ Female fans
Hololive is 80%~ Male fans
The overlap is minimal, someone who enjoys both is gonna be the Minority. If a Hololive fan goes to a Nijisanji clip then they should be ignore for the most part too.
@@QBeeIII nijisister doesn't mean you like nijisanji, it means a very specific kind of toxic nijisanji fan that demands mixed collabs and demonizes anyone who doesn't like them
you can even see them right here pretending to respect mio's stance and immediately going on to attack people who feel the same way
Go look up the use of the term. Here, I'll even do you a favor: ライバー 定義
Liver is a commonly used term for Japanese live streamers. Notice all the results from websites completely unaffiliated with Nijisanji when you Google the word? Go spend some time in 5ch discussions about streamers (vtubers or otherwise) and see how frequently they're referred to as a liver.
Maybe learn something.
@@QBeeIII Nothing. Enjoy whoever you want to enjoy, and ignore these tribal weirdos thinking they know anything.
people have their preference, some people okay with male collab, some people are not, there is nothing wrong with that, and i strongly agree with Mio on the good vibe between girls, especially within holo, it's something special and different from other agencies, essentially that's what made Holo stand out, went from a small startup to the industry leader.
i feel like she likes the girl x girl stuff more bc it relates to her preferences (i mean she did say that) but this might be a hint that shes lesbian? (which most unicorns objectify)
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 let's not go further about that topics, because it will summon another type of annoying horde, arguably more annoying than unicorns.
@@kanzaki2672 but all unicorns are homophobes so theres no change anyway
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 what's wrong with you? Holy mother of inappropriate comment
@@WD_Batora how is someone having a gender label equates to someone watching porn? is it because YOU consume adult yuri content? fair
I can respect her choice and agree with her perspective. It's not the case that she's against it, or wants to stop it, it's just that it isn't what she wants to consume or put out there.
I'm good with that! I also salute her courage to speak her mind; normally this kind of thing gets people all hot and bothered in the reply section 😶
@@MakotoTheKnight I don't agree myself but I respect it. It's her channel to govern, and I'm glad she's now open about it, even if it took more than half a decade to cut short the mongerings.
@@GoodOleDFT I guess where I agree is that I like to see the interactions between the girls too, but in fairness it's a spectrum rather than a hard and fast rule. These days there's always bound to be something that gets me to laugh, so I like to watch as much as I can. 😅
@@MakotoTheKnight i respect her choice, but imo it's not all about the relationship between the girls. Holostars actually have more talent that can be shown to outside people but they have no chance to show it, that's why i just hope they can include holostars in hologta cz many holostars is good at doing rp too.
But maybe some mem still find it difficult to play with the holostars that might make the holostars didn't included in the event. Hologta is good many drama and roleplay, but i think next time they can give a chance to collab with holostars too with big event like this and if there's holomem can't play with opposite gender they can make their group themself without including the holostars
@@StarDust-t2ucan't holostars develop without hololive? If they really have talent like you said, they should be able to get it themselves
As a Holostars watcher... I think VCR RP is enough for me. The members who are fine with male interaction are already there anyway. And it's not forced either.@@StarDust-t2u
I dont understand people who come to Hololive streams and say holo girls should be like other vtubers and collabs with guys... Why don't you go watch those vtubers then? Hololive has their own identity and that is what I watch them for.
How dare you make sense! Lol
I mean, a lot of the Hololive girls DO collab with guys, though. Matsuri, Polka, Laplus, Korone, Bae, recently Elizabeth, basically all of Holo ID -- heck, even Sora has paid her dues at Roberu's bar, and even Kiara has started getting buddy-buddy with Koefficient! "All girls all the time" is hardly Hololive's "identity," it's just kind of the natural state of being when you're part of an all-girls group. But I'd say at this point, more Hololive girls have branched out to collab with men than those who haven't, and the resulting collabs have been a ton of fun.
Personally, I watch the Hololive girls because they're great talents that are fun to see. This applies equally to those who have collabed with men as to those who haven't -- in fact, I'd say it perhaps applies even more to those who've branched out and collabed with men quite often, like Ollie, Kobo, Bae, and Matsuri, whose openness to co-ed collabs have created some absolutely legendary moments and interactions, from Kobo's many streams with Rrrrragus to Roberu's priceless reaction when Bae made him try vegemite for the first time.
I respect Mio's decision here, but I do think it may hold her back a bit in the end -- her subscriber numbers and viewership are much smaller than most others of her generation, and limiting potential collab partners likely will do her no favors in that regard. It's a disappointing stance, but at least it's her own stance, and not her capitulating to idol "fans" -- and her honesty on the matter is greatly appreciated!
@@Wyrdwad "i respect mio decission here, BUT..."
Yea yea
@@Wyrdwad a whole essay just to say "i respect her choice, but" is crazy
@@starboy9002 I'm a wall-of-texter. Every reply I write, everywhere, is a wall of text. It's just kind of what I do! Comes with being a translator and editor by trade, I guess.
The tl;dr version is, I respect Mio's decision, but at the same time, it does disappoint me. I've never watched Mio much, admittedly, but I always thought she was one of the more open-minded members when it came to co-ed interactions. Learning that she's not has made me less inclined to watch her content in the future -- I guess similarly to how Mio herself is less inclined to watch other Holomems interact with male talent!
So yes. It very much is "I respect her choice, but." And I think that's fair! That's how the internet should be. Respect the choices of others, but if you don't like them, you don't have to watch them.
Doesn't mean I can't express my grievances, though! ;)
Even with the ones that do male collabs hololive is like 90% cute girls doing cute things content, a member could ignore a superchat about males/ skip a Collab with males involved/ avoid a Holostars reference/ not give male vtubers a follow in social media/ ignore forced fanarts of her X holostars or literally say "Male collabs are not going to happen" and you'll still have beggars going -
"Well I respect that BUT we can convince her to change"
"Never say never ;)"
"I'm sure she will open up eventually"
"I'm sure you are scared of the evil fans, just do male collabs to make them mad ;)"
The question is whose the evil one
So like why can't there just be a group of Female only Streamers? What's so wrong about that? Why do people want for EVERYTHING to the be same thing everywhere?
Personally i think Hololive girls have been a great thing for female streamers in general. Has knocked off a lot of stigma that female streamers had for people, me include.
because it threatens their "muh political ideology". im just here to watch teletubbies man.
It's what helped them distinguish themselves from just being a Niji-lite early on. The people who think they should change really are mental. A lot of it comes down to them wanting the girls to boost the Stars popularity when that's really not their responsibility.
It Baffles me why those who Virtue signals Female empowerment are making the Hololive talents force to Collab with Males?
Like are they even hearing themselves? By the end it's not about Female empowerment it's about "Owning the Chuds" and sabotage this community.
Nobody even said any of that. Her chat was asking about cross-company collabs; they didn't say anything about her playing with men. There are PLENTY of female-only streaming groups out there. The only person who mentioned co-ed collabs was Mio herself. And yet as always, the viewers in these comments have to turn it into some kind of weird crusade.
Like seriously, you have weirdos here straight up attacking even the VCR events because they dare to feature men, accusing anyone who likes them as being "anti-Holo" despite the fact they're something Hololive members continue being invited to and attending.
Because the real incels are the ones asking and pushing these girls to do better by working with men. Because they are not allowed to be successful without males around.
Based mio mama
I'm just a dude who got attracted to Hololive from Ayame and Korone's cute clips.
And now, my free time is just full of watching Holomems.
I don't watch male vtubers because I don't know much of them, and I'd rather watch Holomems in the time I'll spend in getting to know other vtubers now.
I'm just out of discovering phase. I know what I want to watch.
I only watch new vtubers when hololive debuts a new gen.
What about if they debut a new holostars gen? That technically means they are new for you to discover right lol.
@@nagz7920 That's true. I did watch the recent debuts and few 3D lives but that was it. Their clips didn't show up in my feed so I didn't watch much more of them.
Ive been made to feel guilty and a hypocrite holofan bcs i dont watch the guys too, and ive always tried to see aspects that i can enjoy the guys from just to compensate. Sure, theres some funny times like ao and aruran’s interaction, but i really cant say i would deliberately go out of my way to watch them. I dont hate them, i just dont enjoy them as much.
Im glad to see an actual holomem feels the same way of not really interested in watching guys.
maybe just maybe, since they(holostar) also had "idol" in their name, they always feels like tried to charm their audience whenever they stream on their's usual place. But they really shining whenever collab like vcr since their's idol status is not important. Welp, what can i say, i also never watch their stream but only clip.
It's just redditards with a ccklding fetish.
@@illuminaughty2813 should've put your last sentence at front so I don't bother reading all that /jk
Joke aside, while yes some Stars do brand themselves as idol, I don't see any intention to 'charm' the audience whenever I watched their stream. They don't do BFE either, so at the end of the day it's really just a preference, no need to put anything complicated behind it.
@@wolfwoof4446 Sad to hear that what is supposed to be the core audience of Hololive gets treated like this.
Just remember that you're not alone, the vast majority of Hololive fans watch the girls alone.
Having a preference for the type of stream you want to watch isn't something you should feel guilty about.
@@kanzaki2672 haha sorry, english is my 3rd language
I said this for years, if the demand for boys and girls interaction are actually feasible they would do it without the beggars begging. Like the beggars don't even spend or watch as much as the 'unicorn' counterpart, so why would they appeal to that area?
Don't you think beggars don't actually want to see their oshi collab with males, but they just spite 'unicorn' and supposedly want to see them 'suffer'?
unicorn/gachikoi are people who really support their oshi financially. What's the difference between beggars and antis? They both don't like Hollive getting support
@@smoker_uhuh?
That's my Oshi right there!
Mio is right
Right? There's no right or wrong answer here lol she just said it's her preference
@@frobsonsdesenhos No, she's right
@CherryBoy_y lol
Normal fans : oh i love this cute girl, she is funny, she is entertaining, she is good singer etc.
Collab beggar : oh i love this girl because she collab with da boiz. I will watch a tons of her clips only when she is collab with da boiz. BRUHHHHH
The ERB fanbase experience
@@brat894 do you actually watch her?
@@frobsonsdesenhos No he does not. And yet she lives in his brain rent-free more than in any of her biggest fans' minds. The salt gives it away.
I think she's just saying what most people are thinking
Maybe. To me seems more like a case of Mio being older, older people being more traditional, and the idol culture tradition of no co-ed under any circumstances, for better or worse. And if any nationality knows anything about sticking to tradition, it's the Japanese.
No. I do not think this way, and I consider thinking this way to be weird.
@@anagittigana Your anecdotal example is not statistically relevant. You need numbers to dispute what OP said.
@@anagittigana hololive is successful because its all girls, open your eyes
@@anagittigana I think favoring girls-only content is pretty normal for most Hololive viewers. I'd assume they'd prefer watching other vtuber orgs or streamers who are more open to mixed gender collabs, if that wasn't the case.
waiting for the reddit and twitter people call her an incel lol
The Holo subreddit would side with Mio. Twitter is a different issue though as Niji folks basically live on it.
isnt that term only limited to men tho? like how f*ta is referred to "femboys" (which is transphobic btw)
@@Helmir just label Mio as lesbian, twitter people would ate it.
@@Helmir The Hololive subreddit and the vtuber side of Twitter are both sewage drains in their own ways. Don't put one above the other.
just gonna label her as a unicorn
Id have to agree that 'yuck' isn't quite the correct translation here, though its hard to put the correct one into words. Ugh also doesn't sound quite right as well. She literally goes 'Uu', so think like a sudden heart pain that makes you grab your chest. Think the old man holding his chest meme, like that. An uncomfortable painful sensation.
Always knew Mio was the goat
😭🙏
Based. I will now member and akasupa 🦄.
You probaly didn't watch her in the first place lol
As someone who watched the NijiGTA and HoloGTA I can confidently day that HoloGTA is better.
HoloGTA actually did Roleplay, many moments resemble existing pop culture references like Subaru x Kanade being a Shonen jump manga called Kochikame.
There is also the Baket family drama becoming a sope opera, in the EN side we got Kronii bring a Grade A Karen with the whole police force on her ass lol.
Sora and Azki being country bumpkins who got tricked into signing into being Cabaret Dancers and being corrupted by it.
I could name more but I think I made my point.
the whole police force being regular in cabaret is not something I expect but love lmao.
and the gang being wholesome family, making Ao-kun questioning whos the real gangster.
@@deanthomas2305it all boils down to what fans know them as and what the RP they do and their performance.
NijiGTA has organic comedic moments but none of them are RP related
Its wrong to compare both NijiGTA & HoloGTA, they are both fruits but you can`t compare an Orange to Apple you know. NijiGTA has its fair share of great content too like Enigma/Cabaret Yakuza/Purpleman, you doesn`t need to bring down others to make yourself looks good.
@@Tamashii994 Yeah sure it is apples to oranges comparison but Hololive is the Orange and Orange is the better fruit lol.
- Has more Vitamins and Minerals and can aid digestion
- Has a protective Shell against pests
- Doesn't spoil easily
- overall better product
Translate it to Hololive it means
- More quality talents or "Livers" as you call them
- has better community and don't attack their talents by simply eating McDonald's lol
- each talent is being taken care of
evenly
- I mean need I say more? lol
@@squalleonkeneddyheart4191 None of what you said has jackl to do with the actual events. If you prefer one over the other, cool, but you're flat out making shit up. Go watch Corvus Interpreter's 11 hour series on *just* Furen's perspective of the whole Enigma journey, and tell me there's no story arcs, rp'ing, drama, or referencing.
I feel the exact same way as Miosha. I like seeing cute girls doing cute things and their interactions/collabs with each other. It's the kind of entertainment I want and it's what I'm watching Hololive for. I just avoid any male collabs.
More than anything, it's very important to respect the girls' decisions. If they're not doing what you want then just go watch one of the girls that does. It's that simple. Everyone can have their preferences so long as they don't harass anyone over it imo.
Based Mio mama
I don't think the meaning of Unicorn is particularly different, it's just been massively misinterpreted (oftentimes in a purposefully bad-faith manner) by certain wings of western 'Tourists'.
often political tourist
It's pretty straightforward: "Unicorns" are the fans who act like the world is ending if their oshi gets within five feet of a man who isn’t Yagoo. They start doomposting, claiming the idol is now "tainted" or a "slut" and that they can never trust her again.
Having a preference is one thing, but enforcing it with a zero-tolerance mindset is another. The ones who push this absolute zero-tolerance policy are the Unicorns. As a Westerner, while I mostly watch female VTubers-99.9% of the time-I’m not going to lose my mind if they collaborate with a guy every now and then, especially for major projects like Rust or GTA, where having 100+ people in the same game just makes sense. She said herself that they could use 2x the amount of people for GTA. That being said I did enjoy the all female cast so I wouldent mind if they just start truing out the next waves instead. A solid wave for each JP/EN/ID would help round out the compnay.
pick your poison:
"based"
or
"I respect her decision, but [Insert 3 paragraph diatribe on why this makes you seethe]"
ngl i found hololive PRODUCTION through girl clips, and only then i started to get recommendations of holoboys, and i went "oh its like hololive but for boys! i didnt know theres one for male vtubers!" and bopped on both
mio has the lesbian charm that a lot of girl fans can relate to. just hope that the male fans she have arent misogynists tho
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056You just self reported yourself there Nijisis lol
BASED
@@squalleonkeneddyheart4191 i barely not ish abt nijisanji, hell idk what TTT means! Other than... well, why is it called ttt?
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 I'd argue it's vastly more misogynist to want more guys in vtubing when it's literally the only female dominated field for content creation.
I can't believe the unicorns and their invisible guns are forcing Holo talent to not work with men! They should be allowed to collab with whoever they want!
*Holo talent mentions they're allowed to collab with whoever they want but prefer women*
Nooooo not like this you're doing it wrong, obey me~~~~!
while despising the unicorn gate keeping, i can respect those that dont want to collab if its just their own preference rather than pressure
@@SDE1994i agree with your opinion, holostars also a part of hololive so they can be given a chance to collab or play together but not forcing the one didn't want to collab with male vtubers. I know they're idol but when streaming game they're the same as common streamer. So as a listener i want both to have equal chance, i respect mio choice that just want to see relationship between girls but if you watch towa/akirose/matsuri they can play with male streamer/vtuber without having feeling included, they just think them as friend or family that they have in every encounter and they just want to maintain their good relationship to play together
Bro, relax.
That would be a nice joke if people complaining about collab beggers didn't also pretend they had invisible guns too.
It is because of the idol theme of hololive since it depends on each girl if she is looking for a male collaboration
based
Consider, if you would, the fact that the Holomems themselves are also fans of Hololive. They have preferences for the content they like to watch, same as anyone. They're just in the position where they can create the content they want to see. Not necessarily to then watch their own content, of course. It's more about the feedback loop of supply and demand centered around the content they prefer.
I don't like Male collabs, but not for the "They are dating raaah" reason, more like, I don't find the same vibes and humor from men, I don't enjoy them.
And I know a lot of other fans who think the same. People just don't enjoy men.
And that fact is even more common in Idol spaces.
Maybe is because I'm a female, so I want a female only space.
Covers are ok, they're good tbh.
This only applies to this vtber idol culture space... The biggest channels are still people who who collab with anyone.
Personally I loved the Calli collabs with the Holo boys. She and her chat seemed to be have the grandest time too from the clips I had seen.
And there isn't there also Roberu with Mea being basically the most shipped pairing among holofans and staff lol
@@comfyfizz7124Comparing a niche like vtubing to normal content creators seems redundant.
And its not much different for them, their audience also has things they watch and things they don't watch.
It comes down to the branding of a particular creator.
@@comfyfizz7124 well, yeah. I said it "Idols spaces", this is not twitch
@@comfyfizz7124She already mentions she ain't collabing with Holostars EN ever again as she doesn't like the ones who are there.
@@comfyfizz7124 I'd like to point out that "the biggest channels", when it comes to female streamers, are VTubers, though. And that's with large majority of top female VTubers "handicap" their viewership by streaming on UA-cam (YT is a lot stricter when it comes to counting viewers compared to Twitch)
On the other hand, top male normal streamers are way bigger than VTubers, but they target different audiences altogether and follow different standards / kinds of contents
I won't force Mio or other Holomebers if their hearts are intolerant or not used to collaborating with male VTubers. Mio's statement was the same as what Kanata said. yeah... when it comes to collabs with male VTubers, there are already several Holomembers who often do it, such as Akirose, Ayame, Laplus, Towa, and Fubuki. let them represent the Hololive Collaboration with Holostar or other Male VTubers.
How do we keep winning unicorn bros?
@@qinoga you're not a unicorn
@@qinoga you dont
Based idollover
Holostars are idols too you know
@@frobsonsdesenhosWho cares
@@RicardoPalo-pe9hn people into idols?
@@frobsonsdesenhos The overlap betwen fans of female idols and fans of male idols is too little. Like oil and water
@@RicardoPalo-pe9hn not the point of my comment also i recognize your profile picture lol you tend to Go around UA-cam comments hating on holostars
I don't know, I always thought this topic was pretty simple. They stream with whoever and however they are most comfortable with. Just like they don't all play certain games. I think that's a pretty great deal since that means they feel less restricted and will want to keep doing what they are doing. While I'd love to see more Stars interaction, the boys are given the same boundaries.
It's all good imo
Oh so when my oshi becomes a unicorn its fine BUT WHEN I
I'm glad Miosha ended up saying something; that's just my preference. Because they are idols and because I'm here for my oshi who's a cute girl vtuber. If I watch collabs, I want to see them with other girls. Just let them do what they want, and let people watch what they want.
There are also some hologirls that collab just fine with males like Towa, La+, Aki, Robocco, Choco, Botan, among others.
There are several that already stated themselves to be uncomfortable with it. And honestly, it's good to let the talents decide for themselves
Lot of hololive streamers do collabs with males and it gets 0 drama cause the fans support them and not like lot of comments saying will bring drama
mio based as usual
Don't know why this is hard to understand for a lot of people. Hololive is a female idol group, the members are the once who created this environment.
They love the environment they have created and don't want it changed.
If you don't like it then don't watch it, going around making fantasies about how they want to collab with males but don't because muh unicorn/gatchi/fans just makes you an anti.
I'd say that since Stars EN landed there have slowly been more transplants from over from the NijiEN fandom. Often when I see complaints about Holo's fandom on Twitter for example it's generally from people that have a mix of Stars and NijiEN oshi marks or had a histroy of posting about those vtubers before the EN branch over there cratered. They just wanted a new place and couldn't handle that other people don't what they want.
@@HelmirThose guys are Psyops and want to tarnish what special Hololive has into the being Nijilite
I've always deemed them as casuals and for a good reason. They only think of themselves on what they personally enjoy and hope to see instead of respecting their oshi's wishes.
"change my mind"
Instead of increasing profits, the arrival of holostars actually caused problems.
Its better from holostars and hololive to be separated people asking for collab only brings drama to the community
That's right. Even now they barely have any interaction with each other, but putting them in the same agency is just causing unnecessary drama. They should be separated to make the noisy minority give up on begging for collaboration.
The community causes drama all on its own. You're just making excuses for them. This clip is a perfect example of it. Mio answered an innocent question about a cross-company (they never said co-ed) collab server to get a higher player count, and people here have turned it into some stupidass male vs female and "holo only" vs everyone else war.
The EN fanbase really are the worst part of vtubing.
Not much people aware but ever since the graduation of the two EN Holostars since last year (shortly before Advent debut) Hololive are currently having the best and most peaceful no-drama time period right now (aside from the unavoidable graduations of course). It's the greatest time to be a Hololive fan right now, just enjoying and supporting their own individual oshis in their lanes. Of course, only outsiders hate seeing this current state of Hololive
They are seperated.
Only Vtuber Fans being the usual brain-melted asylum escapees they are can't handle something this simple that most entertainment companies do.
@@goldendrain1776 Of course, because you and your little clique have been basking on it like it's a win.
Tell us how you really feel about ERB's debut now.
So, Mio Mama is a Yuri enthusiast. Good to know. But in all seriousness, I get it. When she mentioned idols at the beginning, that struck a chord because I know idols aren't really supposed to have too much interaction with men, so the mentality checks out.
Real life idols interact with men all the time
Mio mama Yuri enjoyer confirmed
shes a lesbian in heart and i wont be surprised if she is in a relationship
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 yeah lmao, she's cooking both metaphorically and literally
Based Cute Wolfu. I'm also a CGDCT Enjoyer. "You know they all have boyfriends, right?" I don't care, I just want to watch what I like. Everything else is not my business.
@@Aguriasu You are lucky you haven't seen those twats.
yeah, me
Genuine question: Why? What's so fun about CGDCT? I don't get it.
@@senny- It's like seeing a bunch of puppies/kittens/your choice of cute animals playing in front of you. Makes you go "aww cute!" Occasionally they'll do something dumb/stupid and make you laugh your ass off.
Well, I hate harems, too, and how they make their female cast useless. Not my favorite genre, but I also used to watch CGDCT, like K-on, Non Non Byori stuff like that. Recently, I was an avid Bokita shipper from BTR, because they're so cute and they deserve each other. But it's not like I'm gonna go nuts when a male character appears in those shows. I don't get the outrage. Males kinda of do exist irl.
Is yuck the translation of ughh? It sounds so wrong 😅
It's not. The clipper put that one in and twisted the message, whether by malice or incompetence.
@@GoodOleDFT prolly the latter
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Time to get some popcorn 🍿
A female-male collab is a different dynamic and vibe. Its the same reason male conversations and female conversations completely change when someone of the opposite gender enters the other's. If your unfamiliar with it or dont know the other person's vibe, it can get awkward very easily.
I think if theyre gonna do a female-male collab, they should make an event or performance out of it. That way both sides have something to focus on and then end the collab when its over.
Also not to mention the shippers and super fans...
Mom said no heartthrobs
I feel same.
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oh boy 💀
Collab beggars really don't understand the big picture. You can't just wake up and go "hey let's play this with these people" and it happens. Schedules need to line up, the streamers need to have some sort of common ground or knowledge of each other, and even then the collab itself usually lasts for 1-2 hours on average. "Oh just play with Holostar" is lame too because not everyone watches both sides. Yeah there's an idol culture in Japan that limits male/female interaction, but here's the thing - the streamer makes the rules for who they stream with. Go watch any of the millions of others out there who collabe with anyone and everyone, and those who post their IRL selves yet still claim to be a Vtuber - those are the ones that collab beggars should flock to instead.
istg whenever i hear this word i think of "i want girl to talk with girl!" which is VERY COMMON on twitter posts evverytime theres a debut wave
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 If nothing else you make it very clear you're a nijisister when you make a mess of comment sections.
I do things different, Mio do things different, I respect Mio's difference
uniGODS run this joint
creep behavior frfr
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 dont like it dont watch it
Just because you're only into female vtubers this doens't makes you a unicorn
More proof that it's always the fandom creating unnecessary drama.
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she is based! im glad shes not spreading negative oppressions against the boys for being in the same company as her, unlike redditors....
People seem to forget that we have unicorns even inside HoloEN, it's part of the idol culture.
EN has absorbed otaku culture as well.
Define the term "unicorn", this is just a buzzword now
@@frobsonsdesenhosdefine collab beggar
@@metalgearunicorn4863 someone who begs for collabs now define unicorn, and no you only being interested in female vtubers doesn't makes you a unicorn
@@frobsonsdesenhos That _is_ what unicorns are tho. They're called that coz unicorns the mythical creatures only accepted virgin girls as riders. It's just that unicorns are more obsessed with keeping their favorite female streamers away from males than just "not interested".
IMO:
-Hearing that your oshi might collab with a guy and reacting with either "oh that sounds cool" or "hmm, idk..."? Normal reaction.
-Reacting with "HOW DARE YOU, I WILL DESTROY ALL MY MERCH OF YOU AND HATE YOU UNLESS YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND!!!"? Yeah unicorn.
I get what she feels. Male and Female collabing has this sense of awkwardness. especially when playing role play in games, especially mature games like GTA. But collabing for singing, talk show or competitive game like FPS, Fighting, or DOTA is ok though.
Oh by the way yuck and ugh is not the same.
Awkwardness, tiptoeing (especially around mock flirting that same-gender collabs do all the time), and when things get chaotic and loud and (mock) aggressive, not every woman wants to match the rowdy energy. So yeah, it's 💯% a different vibe and fair to not want to be a part of it.
am i the only one who is wondering who exactly is pushing her/them to do anything? lol the comment in the video said "collab with other companies" not "collab with males" so im confused why half the comments here are using the word "push". I watch quite a bit of live streams and archives/clips, and i dont ever remember seen someone commenting it either. When has any member been "pushed" to collab with males?
People are literally creating the whole situation out of thin air. Her chat never mentioned it, only she did.
Do someone remember that HLZNTL thing? Yeah.
@@Cuacky_RK that was something Cover did to try and get into the esports market, nothing to do with males
Well to the unfortunately perpetually socially maladapted individual (of where there are a lot in his fandom) apparently the idea of -wanting- something even unrealistically or even questioning it is some manner of sin and means you're trying to push / beg even though simple viewers can't push anything and there isn't and never has been a large contingent of people going "you must collab!" or anything. Its at most just spoken personal desires, personal disappointment, group fights, and personal concerns but to some this is a problem.
I'm sure there are some people who are a very annoying about it but its generally not what I see.
Basically never. At most there was HLZNTL (which had more to do with Esports than males) but no one pushed them into anything. They were asked to do a thing, it didn't work out, and they didn't do it again. Never has a member been pushed to do anything.
So this whole issue is just fandom stupidity.
Yuck is not the best onomatopoeia. That reflects disgust but she is talking about pain or discomfort. I would have used Ugh. Way closer to how it sounds too
I'd use an image. Maybe the old man grabbing his chest meme.
YURI!?
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Waaaa i love miosha so much❤
Understandable, have a nice day
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as someone who watch hololive for their streamer side and not their idol side since idol culture is not my thing I never opposed to male collab but given how hololive brand is positioned it's totally understandable that most of them prefer to not collab with male streamer, I love seeing cute girls tho so I'm not complaining.
i like fwmc as much as i support holostars fulltime. they all provide very dynamic content that all (or specific, in this case) people can enjoy
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056no one asked you
This clip remind me of Ninja. Sometimes short answer is better than giving long answer.
Organ fans in this comments section makes me 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
our opinions are le valid too, chud, we've watched several clips
@@starboy9002malebeggars strongest soldier💀
@@Rice--0 your channel is younger than rices tho
@@starboy9002vt is down the hall to the left
@@bonephone3990 what's vt
Nothing wrong with unicorns that respect others' boundaries as much as they do their own.
As it should be. Mio mama is so based. Beggars might cry about it.
Homobeggars are talking about Mio Mama & that should tell you that they're worse than unicorns.
Mio Mama is one of the kindest in Hololive
Male x Female are not Homo
Homosexuality are
Male x Male
Female x Female
@@hanakuso1999 a simple fact unicorns and their cabal ignore because it threatens the narrative.
@@azurerider812 Same as anyone that _doesn't_ mind cross-gender collabs is automatically a beggar. And anyone that so much as thinks of enjoying another company is automatically a Nijisister.
Intellectual dishonesty is their bread and butter.
@@hanakuso1999 They're not sharp enough to catch that irony.
The worst thing about this whole topic is the hate and vitriol that's spewed alongside it. It's kinda insane how things can escalate so fast. It's just so tiresome.
Part of the problem is the culture warrior raiders that try to make a stink for the Holostars whether or not they actually watch them. I make a pretty normal comment and they come in trying to suggest I support antis, dox people, etc. They're exceedingly unwell and sadly folks like this have anti'd Hololive for ages.
As someone who watches both Hololive and Holostars and would like to see more collaborations between them, I respect Mio's decision and think it is entirely valid even if I cannot relate to her reasons for it. I think it's a shame, as I think there is a lot of potential fun to be had with it like with the Pizzeria that Aruran ran and his subsequent friendship with Ao, but most of all I think that talents should not ever be forced into something they do not wish to do, by either the agency itself or the fans. And I also recognize that especially because of the nature of their profession as entertainers that it probably wouldn't make for great entertainment if the talents felt super awkward about whatever they were doing so forcing things is also bad in that regard. I appreciate her honesty in this regard very much and will continue to enjoy her content as before.
speaking of which, do you remember when people thought that the management is "forcing fwmc to collab with stars" when the promo for holofes (an event which involves both agencies btw) showed men on screen? and they thought they went silent "because they hate men grrr" and its just- look ruffians youre making your oshi look bad to anyone who just discovered vtubers thinking they enable freaks like you and its not good
they held that so well unlike the ppl over on lets say reddit
I’m not really sure why this always seems to be such a divisive issue. Letting the members decide for themself what they are comfortable with as it is now feels like the only way that makes sense. I think Hololive is in a good spot where there are plenty of members that only collab with other female streamers, and plenty that don’t have any restrictions as all. I Personally have two Oshi and one is from the former group and the other the latter because it has never really been something I cared about. If the talent is forced one way or the other, the content they put out is not going to be as good.
I think it’s divisive because it can come across as sexism. And if it were just your average VTuber viewer avoiding male streams on purpose, I would say that it’s sexist because more likely than not, you are assuming that you won’t like the content they put out mainly because of their sex/gender. Not wanting to produce certain content is something that I can understand however.
It's not really "divisive", it's just the common sentiment among 99% hololive fans, it's only a few loud minorities that spam collab begging requests under every single thing involving the girls that cause trouble.
Some poor artist was drawing cat-type holos in a fanart and even he got hit with the "please draw holostars too" comment. It's so widespread and a terrible look for that side of the fanbase.
At least some people on reddit are pushing back on this behavior but the twitter crowd is just too far gone, or just outright refusing to acknowledge the problem.
@@cyberdsaiyan I wouldn’t say that the sentiment of actively disliking co-ed collabs is common, and if so, I’m certainly not part of that group. But I would say that the sentiment of liking the vibes that Hololive in-group collabs give is common. If Hololive were a tight-knit co-ed group instead, I’d love it just as much and we likely wouldn’t be having this conversation here.
@@ranstuff12572Why do people like you push the Nijisanji agenda? Like seriously bro?
Nijisisters aside why can't y'all accept that "Hololive is an Idol Group composed of Women?" You are free to think whether Idol Culture is wierd but if you do please the door is right there.
@@ranstuff12572 Nijisanji and several other small EN corpos exist for people that like that type of content, Hololive is unique because of their all-girls-school vibe, multiple girls including Miko, Mumei, Subaru etc. have stated how they love this atmosphere.
Naturally both talents and fans want to keep this atmosphere and vibe intact.
This is a perfectly fine take to have, people shouldn’t have a problem with it. Do things with who you want to do things with. Just please, don’t go out of your way to hate on the members who DO do things with other guys, or the stars. Remember the whole Kronii situation with the first gen of en stars? Even the official holo account had to make a statement saying she can collab with anyone she wants because of the hate she was getting for it. No one should collab beg, and no one should hate on co-ed collabs. It’s that simple. Let the members do what they feel comfortable doing, and don’t hate either way. It’s all supposed to be a positive environment here, and we should always try and keep it that way.
@@Z.A.D.D. Kronii with Tempus, Ao with Aruran, or Raden when she scheduled a collab talk with Joe Rikiichi of Niji. These fake fans do be foaming behind their masks.
You translating "ugh" to "yuck" is petty, it's more like a pain in the chest than disgust, she even says it herself lol
Though I was more female and male collabs ok, but for this one. I AGREE.
Misstranslation can be huge deal.
Especially in this sensitives topic
i feel like this channel in general is bad for hololive enjoyers (and i mean hololive AND holostars) bc mistranslations can cause misunderstandings and misunderstandings can lead to discrimination. look at what happened to lev 18 22. it used to refer to pederasty, but now the people who promoted the book is spreading false information to fuel their ego
Agreed with this. It is being used as ammo rn
yeah theyre defo pulling a levictus 18 22 here
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 elaborate?
what's with video resolution? why are there black bars on a 16:9 screen?
If this come back to Mio because your translation take liberation with wording then you better watch yourself
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Just remember if they don't collab, don't complain, if they do collab don't complain.
Everyone's excuses are stupid and pitiful, support your oshi whatever their choice.
I mean... When playing games with others, it is usually not a girl/guy thing. Been online gaming a lot, and only a few times there's been one or two girls playing along the guys. I still really like seeing this happen, or be part of it in the background, you know... But I would feel so strange if I was the one doing the quests or objectives alone with a girl while playing games. So I totally understand what she means if she was to stream with a guy. Especially when it needs to be on a professional level, it kind of distrupts the purpose of having fun while at it.
I personally like the mixed streams, it add some uniqueness, and the guys tend to be very respectful, well it doesnt happen often, so I treasure it the few times it happened, in holoverse at least.
@@stikyfinkaz183 One thing I like is seeing how far into the pseudo-toxic trash talk banter the girls can go since the boys take it in stride and everyone laughs. In all-female collabs they don't unsheathe the verbal claws as hard, or as often.