BJJ Scout: Ben Askren Study Part 2 - Hand Control
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
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Part 2 of a a study on Ben Askren's adaption of Folk Wrestling for MMA.
* I do not own any of the above footage used. It's reproduction is merely for critique and educational purposes.
Music:
Peggy Suave:
The Greatest Invention
Posin'
Nobody Knows
Now Looka Here
One thing about Askren is how relaxed he is when he is grappling on top, he doesn't force a lot of positions nor does he tense his body up while scrambling. Tensing up and muscling positions is why he's opponents get so gassed out while he is relatively fresh. Also Askren just has some out of this world grappling reflexes and intuition, from years of wrestling competition.
Khabib vs Askrin... Dream match.
I will make it hapend!!!
capitalistraven it would be very boring to watch for most people.
@@spiderjump most people are fuck nuts
I would love to see Askrin vs Maia first. He should work his way up first and that fight is a good start.
@@FilipCordas got your wish I guess
This is so crazy complex... Mad props to BJJSCOUT for making some sense out of it, and of course props to Askren for doing the things shown.
Israel Adesanya shouted this video out on Joe Rogan podcast. He said he learnt from this.
Joe Rogan's got so much power now, he invites someone, the guy tells his story and boom everyone wants him in the UFC. Best move Askren ever did to get on the show. By the way we really see how much MMA fans have evolved now, to be excited to see two wrestlers against each other. Love it.
How does this not have a bazillion likes? Great work, I enjoy your videos.
Your grappling breakdowns are the best I've ever seen! Thanks so much for the amazing content!
Hey BJJScout, have you considered doing a study of Khabib's game?
Frenk van Vlissingen if he ever does a breakdown of Khabib's game, I hope it accompanies another breakdown of with Ferguson's defensive wrestling and guard game, or Kevin Lee's wrestling, if Khabib is ever set to fight either of them.
@@NeedSleep008 now he has a whole series on khabib
just discovered your breakdowns. your a superb analytic mind. thank you sir I have learnt a tremendous amount from you.
Bro, amazing channel. Love watching these in my spare time. Definitely used a few of these tactics in combatatives. Keep it up, love the channel and your work
Omari Akhmedov showed some beautiful wrestling in his last fight. He just glided across the canvas when he was in on those shots.
Hey bjjecout love you content! Your videos have helped me understand grappling and fighting so much better with you breakdowns! Can you guys please do a video on takedown defense please!? Thanks guys!
please do an updated garry tonon study, or else gordon ryan or danaher death squad in general
Doubt that'll happen, considering Danaher makes these videos. (!!!!!)
Good trolling. Danaher doesn't even own a computer lol.
Scientist Sam he's all over social media...
He has said in interviews that he makes posts on the subway using his smartphone.
What a pain in the ass to type those huge posts on a smartphone
Brilliant breakdown mate. I'm a big fan of your work 👍 I'd say my favourite mma wrestler was gsp. The way in which he timed his shots based on the reads he would make off of an opponents strike was just a thing of beauty to watch
You're really perfecting the style of your videos. Getting much more clearer to follow. Reminds me very much Firas Zahabi's style of explaining moves. Like the new music to. Maybe not always, but definately in this case. Keep it up. You deserve more subs!
This is the best analysis I have ever seen!
Finally!! Was impatiently waiting.
When I was a wrestler, a cross wrist would usually be considered more advantageous/dominant than an inside wrist. With an inside wrist, you have to "suck it in" or "roll it in" in order to keep the other guy from posting that arm. With the cross wrist, by it's very nature, (with their hand at their belly or even pulled across their body) the post is already taken out. Also, an opponent can often fight off or break inside wrist control just using that same arm, whereas breaking cross wrist almost always requires two hands. Finally, cross wrist naturally provides a level of waist/hip control.
From an mma perspective, having a cross wrist means that the near side of the opponent's head is exposed, which makes it harder for them to protect against hard strikes (as opposed to near wrist, where the opposite side is what's exposed, which means they have a bit more protection).
So, it might not be a matter of Askren preferring inside wrist control so much as it's easier/more common to obtain. And in the process of his opponent fighting off the inside wrist, Askren can chain his wrestling to get the cross wrist, arguably an even better position.
I'd love to see a Khabib study.
best video series on mma ever
Really like the mix you used for this vid. Music was dope...Oh, fav MMA wrestlers: Khabib, Ben, & Yoel.
Have you studied some russian Wrestlers like Buvaisar and Adam Saitiev? They don't do MMA but I think their Style would transfer very well. Would be interesting to hear your opinion on their wrestling.
@bjjscout Thank you so much for your work! This content is next-level!!
9:23 that man is fucken determined to hold his wrist in place, and Ben is even more determined to get it xD
Best channel ever!! Great stuff!
Awesome breakdown of technique
You are the king!wish I could watch youtube at work, we can only open gif break downs
If you ever decide to do them I'll be all over it
Awesome music and knowledge . Thanks man :D
Great Video.
Great job on the breakdown
This shit is life changing
@BJJ_Scout - I was watching GSP Vs matt serra 2 - GSP did exactly this when serra turtles - hand control, ride the leg & bring him back on the ground.
wrist control is very important to stay on top and tire your opponent
Super useful my man.
Plz do a Shinya Aoki vid!?
waiting for part 3!!
Do a study of Eberth Santos' snap down throw.
Folkstyle wrestling is so pretty even at the youth level. Ben makes it look like speed painting or some form of sculpting.
5:12 THAT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL *danavoice*
what about doing one on Justin Gaethje?
Imagine what grapplers could achieve if MMA were bareknuckle
Strikers who nowadays flee to the safety of the turtle position would get destroyed under the old UFC rule set: they'd have the backs of their heads cracked open by elbows.
1) Askren
2) Khabib
3) Kormier
4) Cain
5) Khabilov Rustam
Is turtle safe when you include soccer kicks and knees to head and body though?
Askren has alot to teach us all. He has single handedly rewritten the manual on controlling and striking from the top position. The old mount to punch and then to choke hardly ever works against today's fighters. And, he proves that Jiu Jitsu strategy is almost completely dead. The guard is too risky, the mount isn't strong enough and leads to getting reversed. The rear choke is too easy to defend. None of the techniques from Jiu Jitsu are effective anymore. It's a new world where wrestling is King. Long live the current kings of MMA- Wrestlers.
Mark Tennenhouse jiujitsu is super effective still. people just have more understanding of defense now, but that doesn't stop guys from getting submissions on almost every fight card.
Low quality bait.
You sound like someone that hasn't done Jiu Jitsu a day in your life
I believe there is a place for BJJ and it is effective in some situations but you're right. Askren and Nurmagomedov are so effective at using these techniques and progressions that are unconventional to MMA grappling yet really conventional to them. Their dominance with this style of grappling is more effective than any one BJJ practitioner in UFC except maybe Ortega but hes a steroid cheat so I don't pay him mind.
Dude no
Go Ben 👍
Thanks for the videos. By the way, when I've tried the wrist control in the top position in training, the bottom guy usually traps my arm under his and rolls me off (like an outer wind) and onto my back. What's stopping Ben Askren's opponents from doing the same thing?
Cyclonex1CA. Many thanks. I'll give it whirl at training today.
Your positioning is also very important. You can't allow your opponent to suck your arm in too deep, and you need to use your Iowa ride to avoid getting pulled too far to the side or loaded up across your opponent's back as you both fight for control. One trick to try is to get both the inside wrist and the cross wrist simultaneously, allowing you to safely adjust your weight distribution and/or break them down with forward pressure, before you let go with one hand to attack.
+David Taylor hi that's called a Peterson roll, you can UA-cam some counters, you can also try look up tripod wrestling counters (which involve granby rolls) to see how to move to match their movement, once you understand the escape path you will know how to match it
They both have the ability to take each other down and keep him there and win rounds that way. The question is who tries first and how much would the stand up play a factor. I think Khabib's got the better takedowns. Askren's entries are very sloppy and susceptible to counters. But in that particular matchup i don't think it matters. Once on top of you they are both experts at suffocating you. Both undefeated. Wow.
Hehehe always like something about askren.
Why forego the Peruvian necktie?
Askren vs Maia
7:05~7:30
are there no wrist and finger locks in bjj?
+kungfujoe wrist lock is allowed
What's the track? Shazam didn't read it :/
Peggy Suave:
The Greatest Invention
Posin'
Nobody Knows
Now Looka Here
N1rOx thank you 🙏🏻
study of khabib please
headaches.
_he's an easy rider_
CM Punk is my favorite wrestler in MMA.
Khabib has a few wrestling skills but nobody is able to stop him.
Can you please do McGregor vs. Floyd?
@9:10 would have been nice if he got that hammerlock... but dude grabbed his leg
Everyone know about controlling the wrist from the back. That's not some new or innovative technique. Watch the weak side for life approach by Rener Gracie. It's called the triple threat in youtube
him vs meme master khabib
Randy couture khabib nurmegomedov
If everybody fought like Askren most people would stop watching mma.
While I like your BJJ studies, I feel like most of these MMA studies are hardly ground breaking and you often identify an interesting part of the metagame but don't provide its proper context. One could make the argument here that Askrens use of basic folk style tactics are more of a stall technique since the damage he gets in is so minor. Since most MMA guys aren't comfortable with Granbying to recompose the guard and building up from there, these tactics can work in that context but you're not doing that much damage, moreso hurting their gas tank if they keep trying to explode up to their knees. There's a reason most mma guys prefer to set the hooks and use the body triangle to strike and work chokes and it's not because they're not Woke to Askrens sick new tech but rather they prefer to try to end the fight while Askren prefers playing it a little safer to win rounds and tire out opponents.
+Cole Eppstein hi hopefully part 3 answers some of these points. Imo askren is doing something ive seen no one else do but then I don't think I watch as much mma as most. As for doing ground breaking mma studies, actually I have a lot of other stuff not on UA-cam. If you Google around , those too probably aren't really going to do it for you, but I promise I haven't stopped trying...
BJJSCOUT I eagerly await part 3 and commend you for the thought provoking work you do. Respectfully, I just think there's a flip-side to some of your arguments and you do sometimes point them out like in your Rousey work. For example, you heaped a lot of well deserved praise on Cruz and did an Amazing job with his patterns but didn't real point out his style's obvious flaw in that he was doing no real damage with his strikes like his backwards-jumping stiff-arm overhand counters. As soon as Garbrant landed a weighted shot, Cruz suddenly felt behind and his style fell apart. Sorry if that was too tangential to the Askren convo. As far as folk style rides in MMA, I feel it has been done before. Phil Davis does it often. I can remember as far back as CB Dollaway vs Mayhem Miller when CB kept Mayhem in the turtle with ankle control for 2 rounds straight and Mayhem had no answer as a BJJ guy. Might be worth checking out. Sorry for this novel and keep up the good work!!!
a good bjj would turn to him and then escape facing him. not the other way around. basic jj. all these guys give their back to him thays stupid, you would think at this level that they are they should know this.
Bill Gates nope look at damian maia always facing the opponent and never gets trapped. like I said on my 1st coment a good bjj won't get trapped that easy
See: Nick Diaz vs GSP
Good JJ isn't always the answer
DJ BLACKWHOLE But Askren is too a Jiu - Jitsu fighter......
GSP is the best wrestler in MMA
Horrible song !
Great video.