Our diesel brake tenders were a different thing though. A purpose made box filled with scrap metal to aid braking on heavy freight trains. After several runaways they realised the light diesels could not stop the same weight of our wagons with no brakes as a steam locomotive could. Rather than running shorter trains until wagons with brakes were built they built the brake tenders which increased the diesels brake power to that of a steam locomotive. A replica one now lives on Great Central Railway
I love the WP! Though one small detail for 1:09, the Sacramento Northern did go to Oakland, and eventually into San Francisco in 1939, but thats minor. Great video, I'm impressed someone actually knows about the 171 class.
the WP is one of my favorite railroads because it’s 1st Sub ran through my home town, and the SN ran through the city I live in now. Most railfans learn a lot about the SP and ATSF since they had the biggest presence in the Bay Area but I favor the WP because of its interesting history
According to Wikipedia, the Florida East Coast Railroad uses liquified natural gas tender on their diesels (1 tender between each pair of diesels), and they run on a mix of diesel and natural gas.
The Union Pacific turbines also had tenders for their fuel, either liquid natural gas, pressurized propane, or bunker fuel oil. On the flip-side, as tenders have gotten rarer, some roads that need water tanks for diesel engines or auxiliary tenders for their remaining steamers have resorted to converting tank cars to the task, which is why nowadays you sometimes see a tank car behind the locomotive of a passenger train.
@@asteroidrules I haven't heard of the Union Pacific gas turbine locomotives using liquified natural gas, although one was temporarily converted to use propane, which worked, but was considered to be too much of a headache to transport. Also, Union Pacific cobbled together a gas turbine electric locomotive using pulverized coal, but unlike those using oil (or temporarily propane), it was a failure -- blade erosion (already a problem with the heavy fuel oil0 was too fast, and making sure that the coal finely powdered was too much of a headache.
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio I stand corrected then, I thought they had experimented with either natural or coal gas in one of the turbines but now that I look I don't see any indication of that having actually been attempted.
@@asteroidrules Those would be logical things to try, but I never heard of them doing so. The Florida East Coast Railroad is the first railroad I know of to use liquified natural gas on a regular basis, although I could have sworn to having read that somebody experimented with it earlier (Burlington Northern or BNSF?).
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Yeah it looks like BN experimented with an LNG locomotive but shelved it until BNSF brought it back, their design also used a fuel tender for the LNG made from a modified tank car. More recently BNSF has also been testing liquid hydrogen fuel.
Interesting video. They are probably another reason water stops and their communities are literally dried up and disappear. The railway funded building and maintaining the water supply and stops. If a place like a small town couldn't take that over, it was not water and no place, and nothing survives without it. I still know some small desert towns that use railway built water systems. Nolonger for steam trains but the communities supply.
In my country it was common to permanently couple two oil fuel tenders from steamers and use them for oil fuel tankers or water tenders these were used for years after steam locomotives were withdrawn
Don't forget the ex-NYO&W F's that the WP picked up after the Old Woman was abandoned! They pulled stints on passenger service,and there were also units assigned to the Sacramento Northern! Another side light,on some now,unknown engines! Thank you! Thank you 😇 😊!
How so? Other than one being behind the other, they do completely different jobs. It’s like calling a tank car a caboose just because it gets pulled by a locomotive and is sometimes on the rear of a train.
Huh, what a weird thing. A good friend if mine was a big fan of the WP. Mentioned something about a diesel aux tender once but I didnt have any idea what he meant. Shows what I know. Also, this same man was on the SP Passenger train that got stuck over Donner Pass. Something about that incident that always stuck out was the fact he said a WP 2-8-8-2 as sent to assist the SP getting the train out. Never have seen anything to support this, but my friend Dan wasnt a passing railfan he was a dedicated WP Foamer. He knew what he saw over Donner
The source where I got the photo from (Old Time Trains) doesn't specify any further about the use of the tender, which makes me suspicious as to whether the tender was just being moved instead of powering something for the diesel.
IF it ran on oil then it's not a diesel and also why would a diesel locomotive need a tender when it has it's own fuel tank underneath and also there are stations along the line in various towns and cities for the locomotive to refuel.
@Jeisr4207-bc5ui Yes, if you've seen Leokimvideo's knockoff toy videos (at one point he found one of Chuggington in the form of a roller coaster style train set
I'm just gonna say at the top of my fuckin lungs. What.....THE...FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! (VOICE ECHOING EVERYWHERE)
British Railways: Use brake tenders Western Pacific in America: Reuse steam locomotive tenders for water carriers Other railways: Use tank wagons as water tenders
@ I was making it up. Would be nice if Texas railroads learned innovation and technology from Western Pacific. I coined “Texas Pacific”. Central Texas, used to have 120-200 miles of track and by 1941 just a few months before WW-2 broke, the old Cotton Belt lost track from Stephenville to Gatesville TX They didn’t know how to improve their business savvy.
In my opinion a diesel locomotive with a steam locomotive tender looks out of place and I've post a tiktok video about b units and slugs can be used as a tender for diesels for more fuel and boost for freight trains getting heavier and route will take miles.
Other than occupying physical space behind a lead locomotive, a tender and a B unit have nothing to do with each other. It’s a silly assertion. I understand you’re trying something different, but this ‘conversation’ bit is off the charts cringe. Otherwise interesting tho
Not an easy narration to follow. Clarity, . . . . questionable; demeanor of the narrator - annoying. Subject could have been more serious and thus more informative. Got the impression that this was aimed at high school audience.
For some reason, these phony made-up conversations (sometimes not between actual people but between institutions) are quite popular on You Tube and other video media these days. All of them are lame, juvenile, and sophomoric.
@2quintly @tcarney57 I understand your complaints, as my past four years of making history related videos on this channel have otherwise been more serious and to the point. However, I feel that after a while of trying the same tactics with decent to poor viewership results, I might as well consider ways to make my videos stand out and to make parts of them a bit more fun, and the record high viewership numbers with this video seem to indicate that I'm doing something right. I include these dialogues in order to oversimplify some of the key concepts behind these stories, but to your point, I will try to make them shorter and more serious toned depending on the topic in order to reach out to a wider audience, as a significant portion of my viewers are over the high school/college age according to youtube studio analytics.
Finally, a video focusing on actual tenders for diesels
I was expecting these diesel tenders to be just extra fuel carriers, but the actual answer was much more interesting!
“Never before had they been used to assist diesel engines”
British Diesel Brake Tenders:
Our diesel brake tenders were a different thing though. A purpose made box filled with scrap metal to aid braking on heavy freight trains. After several runaways they realised the light diesels could not stop the same weight of our wagons with no brakes as a steam locomotive could. Rather than running shorter trains until wagons with brakes were built they built the brake tenders which increased the diesels brake power to that of a steam locomotive. A replica one now lives on Great Central Railway
First we had electric steam locomotives now we have diesel tenders
I love it!! Diesel Tenders are coool AF!!! Don’t waste good equipment! Some Tenders might be useful for diesel fuel, oil, and air brake booster.
I love the WP! Though one small detail for 1:09, the Sacramento Northern did go to Oakland, and eventually into San Francisco in 1939, but thats minor. Great video, I'm impressed someone actually knows about the 171 class.
This is a certified Western Pacific moment
(Also hi yes I voiced the railfan tee hee)
Lackawanna diesel tenders next
They were cause the lackawanna liked Drawbar'ed F's, so draw bar covers.
the WP is one of my favorite railroads because it’s 1st Sub ran through my home town, and the SN ran through the city I live in now. Most railfans learn a lot about the SP and ATSF since they had the biggest presence in the Bay Area but I favor the WP because of its interesting history
Charles Smiley videos got me hooked on the WP.
Love the WP.
Tenders? Love the WP even more now.
The Northern Pacific modified several baggage cars(!) to carry extra water for F-units in passenger service also.
really enjoyed the play at the beginning lol, amazing works!
oh western pacific, what a work
According to Wikipedia, the Florida East Coast Railroad uses liquified natural gas tender on their diesels (1 tender between each pair of diesels), and they run on a mix of diesel and natural gas.
The Union Pacific turbines also had tenders for their fuel, either liquid natural gas, pressurized propane, or bunker fuel oil.
On the flip-side, as tenders have gotten rarer, some roads that need water tanks for diesel engines or auxiliary tenders for their remaining steamers have resorted to converting tank cars to the task, which is why nowadays you sometimes see a tank car behind the locomotive of a passenger train.
@@asteroidrules I haven't heard of the Union Pacific gas turbine locomotives using liquified natural gas, although one was temporarily converted to use propane, which worked, but was considered to be too much of a headache to transport. Also, Union Pacific cobbled together a gas turbine electric locomotive using pulverized coal, but unlike those using oil (or temporarily propane), it was a failure -- blade erosion (already a problem with the heavy fuel oil0 was too fast, and making sure that the coal finely powdered was too much of a headache.
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio I stand corrected then, I thought they had experimented with either natural or coal gas in one of the turbines but now that I look I don't see any indication of that having actually been attempted.
@@asteroidrules Those would be logical things to try, but I never heard of them doing so. The Florida East Coast Railroad is the first railroad I know of to use liquified natural gas on a regular basis, although I could have sworn to having read that somebody experimented with it earlier (Burlington Northern or BNSF?).
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Yeah it looks like BN experimented with an LNG locomotive but shelved it until BNSF brought it back, their design also used a fuel tender for the LNG made from a modified tank car. More recently BNSF has also been testing liquid hydrogen fuel.
How interesting! Never heard of this before. Well done!
The only tenders the UK Diesels had was the Break Tender before Diesels got heavier.
mom come pick me up i'm scared
Thanks for a very interestng video.
Nice video thanks for informing me I didn’t know that they used steam tenders👍
Interesting video. They are probably another reason water stops and their communities are literally dried up and disappear. The railway funded building and maintaining the water supply and stops. If a place like a small town couldn't take that over, it was not water and no place, and nothing survives without it. I still know some small desert towns that use railway built water systems. Nolonger for steam trains but the communities supply.
Lol i loved it! If you didn't show us pictures of this i wouldn't have believed you 😂😂😂
In my country it was common to permanently couple two oil fuel tenders from steamers and use them for oil fuel tankers or water tenders these were used for years after steam locomotives were withdrawn
What country (or counties) was this done in, out of curiosity?
Don't forget the ex-NYO&W F's that the WP picked up after the Old Woman was abandoned! They pulled stints on passenger service,and there were also units assigned to the Sacramento Northern! Another side light,on some now,unknown engines! Thank you! Thank you 😇 😊!
The NYOW F3s also used tenders for steam generator support. There's a picture or two in the Joeseph Heller NYOW book.
A tender would make an ideal match wagon for a train!
EXCELLENT video.
I'm subscribing to your channel.
As a WP Fan I never knew of this, also the CP Geep had the Barrel style head light like WP, never knew that either.
Love the skits 👌🏾
Where was the information about this?
Mostly on WPLives.com, which is listed in the video description.
Question is that guy in the beginning Amtrak guy 365
The two people who offered voice lines were Cowl Unit Productions and Stockton Subbber, respectively.
Interesting video,
Rio grand had a b unit converted to a steam heater car.
Slugs should be for Diesel Locomotives just like a Tender for a Steam Locomotive.
How so? Other than one being behind the other, they do completely different jobs. It’s like calling a tank car a caboose just because it gets pulled by a locomotive and is sometimes on the rear of a train.
Huh, what a weird thing. A good friend if mine was a big fan of the WP. Mentioned something about a diesel aux tender once but I didnt have any idea what he meant. Shows what I know. Also, this same man was on the SP Passenger train that got stuck over Donner Pass. Something about that incident that always stuck out was the fact he said a WP 2-8-8-2 as sent to assist the SP getting the train out. Never have seen anything to support this, but my friend Dan wasnt a passing railfan he was a dedicated WP Foamer. He knew what he saw over Donner
Nice video, but it would be helpful were you to speak a bit slower.
What other info do you have on Canadian pacific using one??
The source where I got the photo from (Old Time Trains) doesn't specify any further about the use of the tender, which makes me suspicious as to whether the tender was just being moved instead of powering something for the diesel.
@ ahhh okay. I have a feeling that’s likely what was happening. Cp did use steam tenders in water service for work trains.
IF it ran on oil then it's not a diesel and also why would a diesel locomotive need a tender when it has it's own fuel tank underneath and also there are stations along the line in various towns and cities for the locomotive to refuel.
Diesel is a FUEL OIL.
Looks like something you'd see in those bootleg Chuggington train sets
There’s bootleg Chuggington merch?
@Jeisr4207-bc5ui Yes, if you've seen Leokimvideo's knockoff toy videos (at one point he found one of Chuggington in the form of a roller coaster style train set
Isn't Chuggington's entire existence a bootleg of Thomas & Friends?
@@InventorZahran Uh, no. Just because Chuggington is a kids show involving talking trains, it doesn't mean it's a "TTTE knockoff".
@@InventorZahran Going by your logic, the cars franchise is a TTTE knockoff because it focuses on talking vehicles
I didn’t know that a diesel locomotive could have a tender behind.
Wonder why they just didn't use tank cars?
diesel with steam locomotive's tender?!
That just looks weird.
I'm just gonna say at the top of my fuckin lungs. What.....THE...FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! (VOICE ECHOING EVERYWHERE)
British Railways: Use brake tenders
Western Pacific in America: Reuse steam locomotive tenders for water carriers
Other railways: Use tank wagons as water tenders
Everyone knows that tenders are a mark of distinction for an engine.
When I saw the title, I thought they would be steam loco tenders with diesel motors for extra traction
How wrong was I?
And with the hydrogen electric locomotives... TENDERS ARE SO BACK!
what the hell-
All the train museums that I've been to I have never heard or seen a diesel tender.
Yea… they deserved the merger…
Unlike the C&NW, the WP was able to 'keep' its last name.
the think the union pacific ones look best in my opinion. The western pacific ones look like a cartoon depiction of a locomotive 😂
I wish Texas had a Texas Pacific Railroad like Western Pacific
You mean the Texas and pacific
@ I was making it up. Would be nice if Texas railroads learned innovation and technology from Western Pacific. I coined “Texas Pacific”. Central Texas, used to have 120-200 miles of track and by 1941 just a few months before WW-2 broke, the old Cotton Belt lost track from Stephenville to Gatesville TX They didn’t know how to improve their business savvy.
This is what you would get if a diesel wanted to identify as a steam engine.
Why Would Diesel Use Tender Engines for Man!?
Wow.
Good video, like ...
Mopac boxcar!! 2:30
Mopac caboose!! 1:45
Diesel would have words
Tender engines don't shunt! It's not dignified!
hey wait a minute.. I know that maple syrup voice anywhere..
4:15 nice Lehigh Valley Railroad photo lol
Bro is acting like trainz
25k views in 1 day im impressed! (This is yeet on a alt
Definitely some on from a lab probably made this
just put the elephant ears on lil bro 🙏
Cool
💀
The audio in this video is awful.
So is the acting
In my opinion a diesel locomotive with a steam locomotive tender looks out of place and I've post a tiktok video about b units and slugs can be used as a tender for diesels for more fuel and boost for freight trains getting heavier and route will take miles.
beginning of this video is cringe worthy. Here to learn some history not cringe.
Other than occupying physical space behind a lead locomotive, a tender and a B unit have nothing to do with each other. It’s a silly assertion.
I understand you’re trying something different, but this ‘conversation’ bit is off the charts cringe. Otherwise interesting tho
Not an easy narration to follow. Clarity, . . . . questionable; demeanor of the narrator - annoying. Subject could have been more serious and thus more informative. Got the impression that this was aimed at high school audience.
For some reason, these phony made-up conversations (sometimes not between actual people but between institutions) are quite popular on You Tube and other video media these days. All of them are lame, juvenile, and sophomoric.
Not easy to follow? Did we watch the same video?
@2quintly @tcarney57 I understand your complaints, as my past four years of making history related videos on this channel have otherwise been more serious and to the point. However, I feel that after a while of trying the same tactics with decent to poor viewership results, I might as well consider ways to make my videos stand out and to make parts of them a bit more fun, and the record high viewership numbers with this video seem to indicate that I'm doing something right. I include these dialogues in order to oversimplify some of the key concepts behind these stories, but to your point, I will try to make them shorter and more serious toned depending on the topic in order to reach out to a wider audience, as a significant portion of my viewers are over the high school/college age according to youtube studio analytics.