Ex-soldier found guilty of manslaughter of man during Northern Ireland troubles
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2022
- Former British soldier David Holden has been found guilty of the manslaughter of a young man as he walked through an army checkpoint in Tyrone more than 30 years ago.
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He's the first veteran to be convicted of an historical offence since the Good Friday agreement.
Aidan McAnespie was shot in the back as he was on his way to a Gaelic football match.
His family welcomed today's ruling - saying they were relieved and happy after their long wait for justice.
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Fair Play to Channel 4 for giving this unbiased report
They call it troubles and not fight for independence..
Unbiased?! Out of a 7 minutes report in favour of prosecuting a soldier, 40 seconds was given to the vetrens association! Very Unbiased indeed! Channel 4 reporting is notorious for far-left bias, and its general programming propagates extreme cultural degradation!
@@andethidialbubabibub3261 do the majority want independence?
@@andethidialbubabibub3261 well, that's what the conflict is called...
I think this is one of the only unbiased bits I have ever seen English media do.
They want us dead
"And you dared to call me a terrorist, as you look down your gun.. "
Go on home British soldier go on home have you got no f..king homes off your own....
Scotland needs good rebel music like the great Irish republicans
@@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 You realize Scots are brits right or has nationalist delusion taken hold that you can pretend in your head that Scotland was holding your hand the whole way.
Ever heard of the Ulster Scots, I’m sure you have
@@natenae8635 yer ulster Scots, an utterly fucking stupid identity that makes no sense
@@natenae8635 I'm Scottish never a colony of England
@@natenae8635 you think scots will lie down when presented with fascism lol you don't know us scots
It’s a disgrace it took this long
Wrong is wrong no matter who’s to blame
No one is above the law everyone should be prosecuted for murder no matter what side they were on
noone is above the law yeh tell that to pedo andrew
You use soldiers in lieu of police, and this is what happens.
@@ChristianPatriarchy You could say the same thing about UVF AND UDA HANDELERS LIKE MI5
@@ChristianPatriarchy you know the nationalists/republicans weren't fighting for or on behalf of "the pope"....right?
Saying "papists" just makes you sound ignorant and bigoted. In fairness, your YT handle does enough to convey that.
Defending one's community is not the same as being a soldier in someone else's country terrorising a community.
@@ChristianPatriarchy They weren’t absolved. Anyone who wasn’t charged and convicted at the time is still liable to prosecution. You dull f&ck.
Well done the UK has been chirping especially loudly as of late about human rights. Perhaps it will look inward more often.
Great response.
It's easier to virtue signal for them though
These are Irish people. Their family member was killed by an inexperienced soldier… have a wee bit of respect?
@@samh200 what about all the inocent civvies blown to bits?? Known to security forces says it all for me, pot calling.....
@@wor53lg50 what about them? Did he pose a threat in his car? Did he have a trigger to blow people up with him? What links did this guy have to bombing?
Since when did the UK start saying "two wrongs make a right"?
Trigger happy 18 year old hot head soldier who shot an unarmed man in the back. Too right they should be consequences
He shot an innocent 23 year old man in the back then tried to blame his actions on a wet trigger the rain didn't release the safety catch and point his automatic gun at the victim
Mmm, i guess you have never been in a potential life or death situation. I think that this death was sad, but what about the murders of Warrenpoint.? .the sooner the UK ģet rid of Ireland the better. Ireland is more trouble than they are worth.
@@tomjones8715 yes. Londonderry 1979 and South Armagh 1983.
The man was known...
Coming from SERGEI, the question is how many has he shot in the back this summer!!
@@tomjones8715 THATS NO FKN EXCUSE.
I think the title of the video is inaccurate. It should say "...during illegal occupation of NI by the British army"
Irish unity it's the only solution for Brexit!
@@ChristianPatriarchy your leave our island when we say you left Europe your Billy no mates with no power now for us to slap around 😎👍🇮🇪
How to be Irish:
1. Get drunk 24/7
2. Wear shorts in cold weather
3. Steal lead from church rooves
4. Speak a dead language
5. Have an ugly face
6. Be sexually abused by a priest
7. Plant bombs
8. Do a silly dance
9. Dress up as a leprachaun
10. Wave and point at passers-by
@@saxglend9439
You'll be crying for many years when Ireland is united again and I'm glad for it.
@@gottmituns813 Clover hat
Helps to put some perspective on the "Troubles." In the sense that the PIRA were clearly not operating in a vacuum nor were they the only "Bad actors," in a vicious cycle of murder. Sadly in addition to terrorist / paramilitary murders there where many extra judicial assignations carried out by Crown Forces never mind the sustained collusion between state and Crown forces with the various "Loyalist," murder squads.
He was convicted on manslaughter. The PIRA literally burned people alive with fire bombs.
@@TheScaryTruthCatalyst Shoot in the back ! Coward
Do you mean assassinations?
The Irish had no rights in their own country. Thats over.
@@dibble2005 Yeah right, that's what all the Shinners say while they sip the champagne 🍾
This murder by a soldier would have had so many knock on impacts of distrust and hate. Waiting so long for justice to be served.
IRA WAS USING THE PUBLIC AS SHIELDS TO HIDE BEHING AND THE PUBLIC NEW THAT WAS SO . WE are talking about people who used bombs in super markets among other places .and now they want human rights you should check your self.people did not deserve to die on both sides .but while you was fighting for a course a rightfull one that i agree with this was not played fair by either side but those lads your trying to jail did not wake up in the morning with an itch to kill people to prove a point they simply trying to do the service they been paid and ordered to do .just simple men following orders .
Murder it was not.
Negligence, it absolutely was.
How many other innocent people were murdered by paramilitary and walked out of prison due to the Good Friday agreement.
He was convicted of manslaughter not murder.
@@ne1273 You are missing the point here.
The Ira served thousands of years between their sentences added up.
The British Security forces often were never even charged with all the evidence against them, let alone do one year in jail.
@@georgebrowne5935 no point missed at all.
The IRA killed, murdered hundreds of innocent civilians. Manchester bombing for example. They had their sentences cut.
The soldier was guilty of gross negligence, not murder. The round ricocheted from the ground. He should of had the safety on.
So, shall we talk about the bereavement of the innocent civilians. They need justice.
I sense a witch hunt!!!!
🙏Greetings from Arg.🇦🇷
There's a very sad song about this from back in the day. It's late. But it's progress.
About time some justice was done
Doe's that include ira murdering scum being let off .
@@douglastaggart9360 what for the love of jesus are yu referring to
This should only be the beginning. There are so many ex-soldiers who were deployed to the Falkland’s, Iraq and Afghanistan that need to be put under investigation. That is a short list.
funny coming from someone who never been to war
The Falklands? Why?
I hate comments like this! (Unless you know something we don't and were there).
you must be unlucky to have ended up in the middle of the Falkland's War, the Iraq War, AND the war in Afghanistan
@@FeWolf Since when is shooting an unarmed civilian from 50 metres in the back part of war?.
Safety catch off?!?!?!? 😳
Why has it taken so long?
Perhaps it takes so long because the TRUTH is a bit too abrasive on some ears in the UK system?
Sadly this case evidences but only one of systematic "cover ups" by the UK govt during +800 years of brutal,sectarian occupation....such is how they seemingly help to not expose that "APPALLING VISTA" of british system, mentioned by Lord Denning- 1979?
Today, the "bill of shame" is but yet another attempt again by the UK to "cover up" the rot.
Incompetence
Because the British government didn't want admit that the solders they sent were murdering innocent people. Most people have no idea about the crimes the army committed in N.Ireland
British propaganda machine and absolute lies
Time is a snake eating its tail.
Make it a crime for the leaders if they place soldiers with machine guns into civilian areas without it being a war. These actions come from the top.
And we also learn the Ministry of Defence / Military Attacks will support an appeal even though the police stated "the soldier's statement of events are the least likely". The military are controlled by the Tories, who do not want peace in Ireland.
Make it a crime for leadership to try to cause and forment division among the people.
Do people wonder why these issues don't exist in the Republic even though there are both communities there as well? Both communities live happily and peacefully side by side and the Republic. The money is given out equally, schools, hospitals and other services are placed equally, without trying to divide communities.
Still no operating parliament in Northern Ireland. This situation is going on for several years supported by the Tories.
The Tories seem to cause trouble for the people and exploit them in England, Wales, Scotland, and all parts of Ireland.
The army was originally sent in to stop the Protestants burning Catholics out of their homes at a point what the RUC was not deemed unbiased enough.
I am with you 100,.% bro
Would it also be a crime for" leaders" to place gunmen into civilian areas to plant bombs in pubs and hotels and shopping centres where there are no military ? Asking for a friend .....
Says a lot when a 18 year old can be put in that situation.
Says more that a government thinks people shouldn't be held accountable for the death of a person st the end of her majesty's rifile
Well he did volunteer to join the army didn't he.
The. British state don’t care about their citizens, the soldier or the victim.
At 18 in the UK and in Ireland you are a man.
This young man would have undergone training with the army before going to Ireland. While he was in Ireland there would have been some further on the job training.
Even if he was verbally provoked, he fired his gun when there was no need knowing it was loaded.
@@melvinpenman1102 If they don't care, then what have you just watched? Did you not hear the government say they'll support the guard if he appeals? Are they not introducing a bill, a law, that will prevent British soldiers from being prosecuted?
How is that not caring?
Good reporting from Channel 4. Nothing something any of us are used to is the conflict in Ireland receiving unbiased news reports from the British media.
This is the result of occupation of a foreign country, it has taken this long for one case of the brutally of the occupation attitude of Britain, imagine if they were to teach the truth about the Empire and all the murder theft and disregard of human rights at an industrial level.
Not really that simple though is it, no one has clean hands or a moral hill to stand on.
Imagine your true outrage if we stopped giving you lot money. Since you hate us can we have it back please?
As a British Person, I don`t accept this wet finger on the Trigger nonsense or that he did not know it was cocked. He was a member of a Guards Regiment, not some Micky Mouse outfit, so the Rifle drills would have been hammered home to him. On another note, these historical cases should have a Time line built into them, it is no good pursing something that is say 30 years old, it is just too faded and getting to the absolute truth, would be virtually impossible. Also, I would love to hear the views of the people who are saying NO amnesty in these cases when it came to releasing Bombers and Gunmen, under the amnesty of The Good Friday Agreement and that goes for both sides by the way. It`s time to put all what happened during The Troubles to bed and move forward, for everyone concerned and concentrate on the future.
In fairness, anyone convicted of a crime pre 1998 was freed, loyalist republican policeman etc
It is still possible to prosecute paramilitaries (civil case against Liam Campbell and the case against Gareth Doris for bombing Coalisland police station) buy the vast majority of suspects in other crimes are either dead, already jailed for their crimes or disappeared off the face of the earth. The only people left really to prosecute are soldiers, and it's not like it's some mad witch-hunt, there's only 4 or 5 active cases and only McAnespies was resolved before this new amnesty bill comes in
It took so long to get to court because of UK government resistance and army cover-up. This case shod have come to trial immediately following the murder but justice was obstructed by the powers with vested interests in concealing the truth behind the apartheid system that prevailed and the collusion between the army and Loyalist/Unionist paramilitaries.
Only took 35 years
This case goes some way to prove that British veterans aren't above the law that they were supposed to up holding at the time.?!!
Just because someone is wearing British military uniform doesn't make them innocent.
Well done Mr Gormley! very well spoken.
RIP Aidan .
These were awful dark days that we do not want to revisit. Everyone every day prayed for a ceasefire. No matter what side you're on, if somebody committed a crime, they need to be prosecuted for those crimes and give peace to the families of the victims.
In Spain after the dictator, who lead a coup of estate against the democratic government ,and established a dictatorship for 40 years and inprisioned and applied the death penalty to many of the oposition people, died of old age . An agreement was signed by all parties to NOT prosecute the attrocities of the dictatorship, and start a new period, effectibly turned against the people , because it left the people supporting the dictatorship not only free but also in POWER.
IT Was A Huge Mistake! They Celebrate The Dictator in Public demostrations, THey hold strategic positions in the Civil Servant, in the Army, in The Judiciary, in the Highest Court and The Constitutional Court. If THey had been prosecuted , we would have had JUSTICE. AS it is They corrupt Justice itself
Justice for the family... I hope it brings some sort of peace to there lives
State sponsored murder, hopefully the start of many more convictions.
Manslaughter not murder, big difference.
He aimed the gun at the ground, likely because he wanted Aidan to runaway. Aidan likely taunted him at the check point, said something. The officer lost his temper, fired the gun at the ground to make him run, get his own back for the taunting. Didn't realise the bullet would ricochet and kill him.
He lied and said his finger slipped. He's lied for so long it's now probably become the the truth.
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"our revenge will be the laughter of our children" Bobby Sands MP (RIP)
Are you in need of a cheeseburger?
It didn't ricochet off the road. He shot him.
90% of those killed in NI were killed by Irish paramilitaries not the security forces, important to understand that.
Could they take the path South Africa took ,if I remember correctly it was Desmond Tutu who was prominent in the setting up of reconciliation hearings with no fear of prosecution, restorative justice, truth and reconciliation, Nelson Mandela approved it with Desmond Tutu as chairman
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Hhahaahaah Aye right ! And you seriously believe the Republicans or indeed the Loyalists would agree to that ? You seriously have no idea do you ? The Republicans are very good at bleating about "justice" Except when it applies to them.
Good. One small iota of justice for Northern Ireland people. But the government is going to stop this.
Editor: "solider" in title = "soldier."
G'day,
"Soldier"
Crypto-Semantics...;
Secret Meanings of Words,
Hidden in
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View...
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(In the same manner that
"Therapist" = The Rapist ;
And "Red Hat" is
Impossible - without
Hatred...)
Just(ifiably ?) sayin'.
Such is life,
Stay safe...
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Ciao !
@@WarblesOnALot Ahhh, pattern seeking goes haywire again. Funny the unrelated things you can pick out in words.
Would be good to hear the British people come to grips with why an English teenager was in Ireland pointing guns at Irish people
Join the army.
See the world.
.
The advert never said anything about arming young men and putting them in trouble zones
British I ain't British our imperial masters see us scots as a colony well that ain't f..king happening if England wants war I'm up for dying for my oppressed colony of fascist England
@@Dylanesque trouble zones? The persecution of Irish catholics by the British state to be precise
@@rockcorryman Indeed. 'Trouble Zones' is where the British were always found.
Because Irish people were kling each other
Very bad is happning
We can't ignore crimes.
Why, the IRA managed to avoid justice.
@@st8918 I am talking about the amnesty they were given by the good Friday agreement.
@@nigeljohnson9820 why are there foreign soldiers in Ireland?
Why do the Tories seem to divide communities in Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales?
Why do the Tories look to exploit the people?
The Tories are funding the super wealthy with our wages and taxes.
They deliberately underbuild the required amount of houses in order to force up the prices so that we are in debt for longer and higher in our lives.
This money goes to the super rich in the form of bank profits, share dividends etc.
Britain has a costs issue in terms of business and one of its biggest costs is the price of housing.
Do you wonder why the Tory government never tried to tackle housing cost?
Other countries have passed laws restricting rent rises, increasing the number of builds, forcing building projects to LEGALLY contain a minimum number of affordable housing units, etc.
Other countries put their people first, the Tories never have.
Tories didn't want men or women to have a vote.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now at the moment there are no foreign soldiers in Ireland. There were British soldiers in the NI. There maybe again if the brexit arrangements are opposed by the unionists.
@@nigeljohnson9820 what do you think of Tory divisive policy that exploits the people of Britain and Ireland, making them poorer and giving their taxes to the super rich?
Whoever came up with the he title did a mediocre job. I don’t think they ever tried to read it themselves.
When will those people be prosecuted that ordered these kind of soldiers to pull the trigger surely they are responsible too
A soldier does not Murder, He or She does thier job..... and the IRA were legal targets
@@beachy9686 I've seen in alot of countries soldiers get trialed and sentenced if he killed a innocent person he should be behind bars
Sad
Besides What do you do to a family if you let a criminal get away, what do you do to society - justify crimes?
Shocking decision. Murder is MURDER.
A total mess. Ultimately caused by in initial invasion of Ireland by England, and it's annexation of the North. My sympathy goes to all those involved,
When was the initial invasion of Ireland???
@@bensims7501 1171
@@markstevens1237 Yeah it’s bit weird to be shaming and blaming for something that happened almost 1000 years ago.
Like those people in power at that time weren’t even English but Norman
Let’s hope there will be more to come
On both sides
@@hugohugo2832 sounds like a threat
Nice one.
Sad very Sad
There will never be justice
When are these people going to cancel the pardons that have been given to the paramilitary murdering cowards, who wouldn't wear a uniform and put them in a court ?
Amazing
Bring the killers of captain Nirac to justice too
And corporals woods and howe.
Nirac was colluding with loyalist terrorists, helping them with the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the Miami showband attack plus more attacks.
He was in the military, in the middle of a conflict, so he was a legitimate target in the eyes of some people.
True RIP
LOL even a British Judge didn't believe the lies David Holden told.
"Ex-solider"
Terrorist, murderer.. Take yer pick
The woman is correct the UK Government shouldn't decide who is above the law and should avoid prosecution as dozens of IRA murderers have been given amnesty and should be brought to justice.
If British soldiers who murdered innocent people had not been protected by the state and been convicted for their crimes, they could have been allowed early release as well under the GFA. Instead they were protected and their victims never received any kind of justice at all.
Dozens were but if you want them to be treated the same then proscribe the British Army as a terrorist organization.
@Steven GerencserBritish people also tend to only be outrages by IRA attacks in Britain. Any atrocities committed in Ireland, by any of the belligerents, rarely feature.
War with your neighbours is a mess.
Finally a news channel not miss spreading information on purpose like the BBC
His immunity letter from Tony Blair must have got lost in the post...
No you don't understand. When Blair attacked Arabs he was the devil. When he murdered Catholics and Irish patriots he was a hero.
@@davidhoward4715 Are those the same Irish Patriots who murder children?
British governments were asked several times by Irish officials and United States of America officials to add the soldiers who committed crimes to the Good Friday agreement treaty but British governments refused to listen to it
An immunity letter to the soliders means the British government would be admitting their soliders where also murderers. They will never do that
@@TheScaryTruthCatalystyour own murdered children burnt them alive, remember the Quinn Children???
Very Bad"
Westminster refused to label the conflict a war, then promptly brought in the army. While I oppose the legacy bill, I do think the UK government did their soldiers a great disservice by leaving them to operate within a complex legal mousetrap for no better reason than labeling it a 'police action' was perceived as good politics.
Johnny Mercer now stop protecting guilty soldiers
Dark days for sure on both sides (or three sides if you correctly include the often unmentioned Loyalist Paramilitaries)
Two sides. The loyalists are British nationalists and the British Armed Forces were colluding with them.
@@Oluinneachain Not correct explain your logic here?
@@Mike_5 the conflict in Northern Ireland was between those who resisted British occupation and those who defended it. Regular or irregular is irrelevant. Only two sides involved in violence.
@@Oluinneachain Nonsense the Loyalist Paramilitaries were not supported by the British Army or do you have evidence to support your comments?
@@Mike_5 so you never heard of the Steven’s Inquiries? No.3 details collusion between her majesty’s Crown Forces and the UDA.
To all of the people saying "What about the IRA", please look into the history, not just listening to British news.
To all the people taking sides admit that both sides did horrible things and we want peace
And what do you know probably absolutely nothing.
First thing is to sue the MOD then enjoy the money
No mercy"killing
From someone growing up in n Ireland, the British should never have sent boys to do men's work, an 18 Yr old sent over here, like come on , where does this end ?, is every soldier going to be held accountable for their actions ?, its a slippery slope and as always there's always more innocent suffer in war . As for good Fri agreement just look what happened it put mcguinness on the hill, sad but I won't see peace in my lifetime, and as for this it's a sacrificial lamb to quiet the masses
Disgraceful Troy government
Let's hope the scales of justice are even and people from both sides get the justice deserve.
Ira literally got away with murder
Perhaps, but around 15,000 Irish republicans were imprisoned during the war while virtually no British soldiers or police have ever received adequate punishment for their actions.
@Seán Ó Laocha I just want peace! This is stirring up ill feeling! It has to be equal justice for everyone!
I remember what it was like it was terrible.
The British created the IRA
@@seanolaocha940 So did they really deserve to get out of prison.
Don’t forget people were killed and crippled for life by them bombs.
If you don’t believe me search up the Canary Wharf bombing
@@seanolaocha940 There's more rats within the IRA than you could ever count.
The Truth must always be achieved and Told, care how ugly it may be to those who would try to sweep it away.
The World today condemns Colonisation Past and Present, maybe it time to put it to rest once and for all.
I agree to a certain point but Irish Catholic people were really treated horrific by unionists loyalists Catholic people hadn't the same rights even down to voting rights and Catholic people could not adopt children.
Even at one point Irish people could not own a horse or own a weapon, speak your own Irish language which even now unionists loyalists are totally against and yet Irish people fought Britain for our independence and freedom from Britain some of the people who fought for irelands independence were British and protestants some paid with their lives for irelands independence and freedom
@@Raggman42 The World knows all about the Poor treatment of Irish Natives on their own Land.
Just one thing though, the Irish Nationalists could own a horse so long as its value wasn't more than 5 Pounds.
ie. A Protestant could approach the Catholic owner of any horse worth 30 Pounds, and buy it for 5 Pounds.
@@georgebrowne5935 you are right of course I did forget about the five pounds rule George doesn't make it any better but as regards the world knows well I cannot say if the world knows about what happened in Ireland I'm more interested in British public knowing and understanding that some unionists loyalists ruled without mercy and I do apologise for forgetting the five pounds rule
@@Raggman42 You don't have to doubt that the Unionists/Loyalists know all about their dreadful history in Ireland, but they will always try to deny and twist Irelands History here on Social media, and point the finger at the Irish Nationalists, this of course is only for the benefit of English People who have been hoodwinked by the British Media over the Period of the Troubles.
They ain't fooling anyone else though!
It's all about the money they will receive after.
One way street.
Troubles?
Fight for independence?
Act stand"on gun ban
Just because someone has army uniform that doesn’t make them holly Saint . Anyone in British armed forces who committed war crime in Iraq , Afghanistan, Ireland should be held accountable
And where were you when the bullets were flying?
Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland...
Solders should not be tried in civilian courts... That is all.
WHEN SHOOTING CIVILIANS ??? MILITARY JUSTICE NEVER LIFTED A FINGER. SO... NEH ... FK THEM. LET THEM ANSWER FOR THEIR CRIMES
A soldier does not Murder, He or She does thier job..... and the IRA were legal targets
How many of that lot have been properly bought to book for murdering our lads in uni ?
Thousands
Shut up suzy
Who’s “that lot”? The IRA? Many thousands. And many more thousands, mostly innocent, arrested and interned without trial. Maybe don’t talk about things you appear to not have the first clue about.
How many of your lads in uni killed innocent people going about their business and have gotten away with it because of said uni ? You're too thick to even half know the answer.
There were 10 innocent Irish people beating to pulps to get false confessions from them over the Birmingham & Guildford bombings back in the 70s. Were any of your lot ever prosecuted for theses beatings.
We British really love lashing ourselves.
Irish republicans killed the vast majority of people during the troubles - over 60% of killings committed by irish terrorists.
But not a single IRA terrorist is being pursued for prosecution.
Meanwhile, we throw our veterans, our best men, to the wolves. It's utterly pathetic and embarrassing.
Hit er square on the heed.
The whole conflict was the fault of loyalists and their paramilitaries. It's a shame he's getting prosecuted for participating as he never should have been there in the first place
All republicans and loyalists have done time in jail
"Best men" they were fucking animals
Those who uphold the law shouldn't break it he's a murderer
It really annoys me when people, like this reporter, pronounce Ireland 'island'. Stop it.
Eire
@@saxglend9439 Éire.
@@PNETriffid Rival end
Tragedy
Justice 🇮🇪☘️
Yes, British justice. 🖕
Now we scots need to do what Ireland did to win their freedom from the fascist dictators in england
@@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 You Scots are full blown participants I’ve never seen such a sickening case of amnesia.
Pretending to be victims, I ask of what other than yourselves.
@@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 Grow up.
@@jonathonhamilton3889 stfu and stfd ya colonizer clown I will help destroy this fascist dictatorship from within the people who bend the knee to the butchers apron is my enemy
Sad for the family. But an 18yr old with a loaded weapon in this situation. Once he pulled the trigger and it took a life. My money not to do anything to do with law. He would suffer for the rest of his life. Then he has been under the magnifying glass since. His intention wasn't to kill as shot fired hit the road. There is a chance he was holding SLR with finger tight against the trigger with safety off. The victim was known to the security forces and the gunman would have been on heightened alert. Within seconds for some reason the trigger was pulled. The only result could be manslaughter. Bearing in mind a man died I suspect the other has been dead inside to a degree since. I don't think after all this time a prison sentence would be appropiate. He is not a risk to society. More likely he may well be a risk to himself.
So it's alright because he was known to security forces but was he what evidence have you of that? Was he in prison because he held the hand of a Protestant girl many many Irish Catholic lads were in prison because it didn't go down well you know Catholic and Protestants mixing together.
Unionists loyalists and some say British government people involved too tried to send a van back to Dublin on it's way back from the six counties of Ireland with bombs 💣 in back of van which would have killed a lot of people in Dublin.
There is rules of engagement while enforcement of the law but it's British government officials and British officers who should be answering questions on these killings and ruc officials udr officials too
HE TOOK LIFE. NOW PAY THE PRICE
He was “known “ to those squaddies as he had to pass through that checkpoint everyday. He was “known”to be not one of them. He was “known “ to be “other”. He was “known “ to be unknowable. He was known to not be the same as them. He was known to be less. He was known to be alien. He was known to be an easy target. He was known to be expendable.
@@Raggman42 Either way the shooter was 18 and his previous training and the situation him and others were put in. Effectively Policing checkpoints and trained to fight an enemy in war. To these Soldiers it was as if in battle. He would have anyone passing through a checkpoint in his sights. Safety off. Maybe this lad didn't even know the victim. The charge is manslaughter. He didn't plan or intend to kill. But something went wrong. A person died. The family and the soldier have had to and will have to live with this until they pass away. That's the Tradgegy that was the Troubles in Northern Ireland and all conflicts.
@@raylp4751 He was nearly 300 metres from the checkpoint, walking away from the checkpoint, which means that he had his back towards the checkpoint.
Ban gunn's
the emotive word 'veteran' does NOT give you free rein to get away with murder...there are rules that occupying forces have to adhere to, if they unlawfully kill people they HAVE to face justice. if they don't then they occupying state and its warbots are guilty of war crimes. there are MANY more british state grunts that are guilty and must face justice.
A soldier does not Murder, He or She does thier job..... and the IRA were legal targets
@@beachy9686 tell that to the families of all the civilians murdered by the occupying army.
@@beachy9686 he did not kill a member of the IRA though, he shot a man on his way home from work in the back
And tell me , what rules were the PIRA adhering to ? In what set of rules does it make it acceptable to bomb civilians in pubs and discos , shopping centres , force them to drive car bombs into a target and detonate it whilst holding their family hostage to ensure they comply ? Had we played by PIRA "rules" there would have been "peace" in a month, maximum.
@@georgerobert4709 had the Loyalists not started the conflict in the first place there would have been co conflict at all
Act on gun'ban
No gun's uk
Unless of course, you consider a BLACK BALACLAVER a uniform !
Unity 2 ban'gun
And terrorists walk free with letters from Tony Blair, an absolute disgrace.
Gun'ban must
lets hope he serves his time in mount joy.
Let’s hope the Good Friday agreement gets scrapped and the remaining paramilitary’s god back to mount joy
What is the point in punishing mid aged men for the trouble that happened when they were teenagers put in impossible decision - stop hammering on kids and take the leaders of the nation to justice for the crimes that they organized. That boy shldnt have been there with a gun !
I wonder how some of as would react when sent to a war zone and you are a target 🎯 fear of everything that surrounds you
Including unarmed men with their backs turned? Sounds like your soldiers need more vetting and training. They're not fit for purpose.
Shooting a Catholic priest waving a white cloth , a 44 year old housewife , putting a dozen bullets into a wounded man lying on the ground. Ballymurphy. Clearly all very frightening targets.
All my life I have watched apologists scrape and bow to their catholic counterparts in Northern Ireland. This scraping and bowing did not and has not stopped further violence from the republican terrorist parties. Dragging old men to court for fighting in a war against terrorists 30 years ago is a crime in itself. No apology from me. NO SURRENDER.
No one expects apologies from your lot. England will have to do it for you.
David Holden is 53 years of age, hardly an old man.
if you where there , you can talk and comment about this!!! Iwas there in 1977 and 1979 , its easy for for people just hearing somthing to judge
Do you have to be there or witness something in order to determine a crime was committed? A man is shot in the back by a soldier at an observation post and people cannot comment?
If he had taken up politics would that have given him immunity from prosecution? Seems that those who chose that career were given a pardon.
If his actions had been properly investigated at the time, along with those of the dozens of other British soldiers who murdered civilians, he may very well have been included in the early release programme. But the MoD looked after its own and justice was never done until now.
Morgoth Review - You Tube
Should get Tony Blair back he gave all murderers and bomber little comfort Letterston go free