The clip at 5:00 made me look up the laws, 10.7b does indeed state that an offside player can be put back onside when the opposition 1. carries the ball 5 metres 2. passes the ball 3. kicks the ball 4. intentionally touches the ball without gaining possession of it. I have to be missing something in the way this interacts with other laws, otherwise what's to stop 13s and wings shooting up offside all the time? The only way the ball gets out there is by running 5 metres, passing, or kicking.
I'm not sure but my initial assumption would be that they're intended to have a defensive role as well, and it's harder to do that defensive role and maintain the structure of the whole team when your wings are charging too far forward. Does seem like it's not used a lot, but it could also be that it's just not been a target for exploitation of rules yet.
I also just looked this up and my conclusion is that once the ball was kicked number 4 slowly retreats as to not be offside by moving towards the ball but due to the camera angle we don't see this. The ball is then caught and number 4 is further than 10m towards his own try line so that's why he's not initially penalised (10.4c). Then 10.7b puts him onside
interesting… so long as you are working towards playing yourself back to an onside position you’re fine? so when a line break happens you could lazily amble back and then get in the passing lane between the first receiver & 9 as the ball is being played😮
because you sacrifice your ability to be to be a tackler? Laziness just paid off here, and good. Looks so stupid to just pass it to the opposing team and expect the ref to grant you a pen.
I think those would be covered by Law 10.11(a): An offside player may be penalised if that player: (a) Fails to retire without undue delay and benefits from being put onside in a more advantageous position
that quick lineout for Leicester (?) should probably have been called back for the player in front impeding the would-be tackler. Even if was accidental, it is still an infringement.
6:16 Trying to understand how black 6 was onside? I’m assuming the scrum half had his hands on the ball after ref called “use it” which meant the ruck was over?
The clip at 6:30 makes no sense to me because if the player kicks the ball out from a kick off ,is it not a scrum on the half way line? And if so why can the other team do a quick line out throw?
Joe Marler is technically not bound to the ruck as he is only holding onto it with is hand. This means the ball is well out of the ruck and free to play
for the Ben Youngs quick line-out try, the ref says twice "it hasn't been touched" as he allows play to go. what does that mean? what hasn't been touched (by what), and what would've happened?
To be able to take a quick lineout, you have to use the same ball and it can’t be touched by anyone apart from the team who’s lineout it is, such as opposition, ball boys, coaches etc. Hence they could go back up to the half way line and take the quick lineout because the ball was kicked out on the full from the kickoff
@@jamesmarshall6024 thank you! Also, how about for when the ball hits advertising boards, perimeter walls or other apparatus? I think there was a clip where that happened but the quick lineout was allowed. I was under the impression that prevented a quick lineout - would it?
So the plane of touch is the imaginary wall going up from touch, the ball is always in, unless you are holding the ball, i think you can punch or slap it back, you can kick it, its up to the ref it it went out or not. You can also catch it with one foot in touch and it counts as going out on the full.
@@christoffhavinga983 because he didnt catch it with his foot. he bumped it. Catching = Ball and player is one whole object and when that object is in touch its in touch. Bumping = ball is the object and if it isnt in touch, it isnt in touch. Maybe you can header it or slap or punch it too. You can see the linesman look at the ball and not the player.
Eben Etzebeth knows the rules of this game like the back of his hand. And he definitely uses that to gis advantage
The kick pass on a penalty is awesome
people forget, its called rugby football - the reason you tap and go is because you need to kick it for it to be a free kick.
I love tadgh berine placing the ball for dupont 😂 hilarious watching it live
Fun fact is that he did It again vs Dupont in the last Ireland vs France game
Silly question: wouldn't that be an infringement for playing the ball on the ground?
@@archverminit is but in both cases the ref let it go because he’s essentially offering clean, quick ball to the opposition.
@@kieranwalker7005 Makes sense. Thanks
2:30 great to see that sort of awareness and ingenuity at the schoolboy level
The clip at 5:00 made me look up the laws, 10.7b does indeed state that an offside player can be put back onside when the opposition 1. carries the ball 5 metres 2. passes the ball 3. kicks the ball 4. intentionally touches the ball without gaining possession of it. I have to be missing something in the way this interacts with other laws, otherwise what's to stop 13s and wings shooting up offside all the time? The only way the ball gets out there is by running 5 metres, passing, or kicking.
I'm not sure but my initial assumption would be that they're intended to have a defensive role as well, and it's harder to do that defensive role and maintain the structure of the whole team when your wings are charging too far forward. Does seem like it's not used a lot, but it could also be that it's just not been a target for exploitation of rules yet.
I also just looked this up and my conclusion is that once the ball was kicked number 4 slowly retreats as to not be offside by moving towards the ball but due to the camera angle we don't see this.
The ball is then caught and number 4 is further than 10m towards his own try line so that's why he's not initially penalised (10.4c).
Then 10.7b puts him onside
interesting… so long as you are working towards playing yourself back to an onside position you’re fine? so when a line break happens you could lazily amble back and then get in the passing lane between the first receiver & 9 as the ball is being played😮
because you sacrifice your ability to be to be a tackler? Laziness just paid off here, and good. Looks so stupid to just pass it to the opposing team and expect the ref to grant you a pen.
I think those would be covered by Law 10.11(a):
An offside player may be penalised if that player:
(a) Fails to retire without undue delay and benefits from being put onside in a more advantageous position
That Moefana try for UBB where Lucu does a 55:22 and they go for the pass instead of the line out should be here
@1:06 I genuinely initially heard "And Jonah Lomu's gonna score" ^^
1:18 🤣🤣🤣 "YOINK!"
massive hands on that dude
The quick throw in try is one of the most amazing moments if it's your team, bur one of the most fucking frustrating things if it's against you
1:17 that sound effect sent me
that quick lineout for Leicester (?) should probably have been called back for the player in front impeding the would-be tackler. Even if was accidental, it is still an infringement.
Ah I was wondering if you'd put that Oyonnax try at 6:37 ! Number 4 Phoenix Battye is one of my best mates!
2.03. The law regarding touch in goal is quoted. The situation doesn't involve touch in goal. It's the touch line, not touch in goal.
2:14 who doesn't love local rugby
That steal by Dixon 🤤
1:17 LMAOOO
2:02 the balls clearly over/on top of the plane of touch (which is the line) so should have been disallowed technically
Can't really make that call if you are the Touch Judge (based on his angle), and the TMO can't say conclusively either...so the try has to stand.
@@chris5240no TMO in 7s, but if there was they'd clearly be able to overrule
For a subsequent edition: Matt McGahan, Ricoh Black Rams vs Toyota Verblitz, 2023, 80+ mins.
6:16 Trying to understand how black 6 was onside? I’m assuming the scrum half had his hands on the ball after ref called “use it” which meant the ruck was over?
The clip at 6:30 makes no sense to me because if the player kicks the ball out from a kick off ,is it not a scrum on the half way line? And if so why can the other team do a quick line out throw?
Could Someone explain the technicalities of the Eben Etzebeth try?
Marler didn’t bind with his shoulder so he wasn’t part of the ruck, so as the ball was under him it was out of the ruck
Joe Marler is technically not bound to the ruck as he is only holding onto it with is hand. This means the ball is well out of the ruck and free to play
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we want a par 3
for the Ben Youngs quick line-out try, the ref says twice "it hasn't been touched" as he allows play to go. what does that mean? what hasn't been touched (by what), and what would've happened?
To be able to take a quick lineout, you have to use the same ball and it can’t be touched by anyone apart from the team who’s lineout it is, such as opposition, ball boys, coaches etc. Hence they could go back up to the half way line and take the quick lineout because the ball was kicked out on the full from the kickoff
@@jamesmarshall6024 thank you! Also, how about for when the ball hits advertising boards, perimeter walls or other apparatus? I think there was a clip where that happened but the quick lineout was allowed. I was under the impression that prevented a quick lineout - would it?
It only has to touch other people, objects are ok I believe.
The last one is just cynical, imagine wasting 80 seconds from the lives of a whole stadiums worth of people.
The rule is wrong, he is just abusing it. He couldn't have wasted 80 seconds if he wasn't allowed to.
4:37 what happened ?
when he binded he would have gone in legally, i.e not from the side, the ruck moved 90 degrees so its not disturbance
Very good but a little more explanation by you would enhance the video
Noted 👍🏻
4:00 isn’t that a knock on ?
Could someone explain 3:38 to me?
I don't quite understand Law 18.2d, could someone explain it to me please?
So the plane of touch is the imaginary wall going up from touch, the ball is always in, unless you are holding the ball, i think you can punch or slap it back, you can kick it, its up to the ref it it went out or not. You can also catch it with one foot in touch and it counts as going out on the full.
@@SoSo-li6dn I understand that but his foot was in touch when he kicked the ball with his other foot so why was it not a lineout?
@@christoffhavinga983 because he didnt catch it with his foot. he bumped it. Catching = Ball and player is one whole object and when that object is in touch its in touch. Bumping = ball is the object and if it isnt in touch, it isnt in touch. Maybe you can header it or slap or punch it too. You can see the linesman look at the ball and not the player.