There was such operation between Hamburg and Copenhagen, with trains being loaded to ferry between Puttgarden and Rodby. But it will be replaced by Fehmarn Belt Tunnel.
Stupendo rievocare le fasi di quello che è il traghettamento con questo video. Quanti ricordi a bordo dei lunghi treni espressi dal nord a Sud con appunto, l'imbarco, la traversata e tutte le fasi delle manovre. Ricordo il lungo e pesante Espresso Trinacria, con cuccette e vagone letto Siracusa - Milano C.le con le sezioni da Palermo a Messina. Il Treno Rapido 883/882 Peloritano Roma - Reggio Calabria, Siracusa e Palermo. Video interessantissimo....
@massimoz8530 Gracie. Thank you, I found the crossing and all the manoeuvres very interesting. For me it was the first time on board of the train crossing the sea inside of a ferry boat. It was a great experience and I am glad, that I could share it with the viewers.
Complimenti. Very beautiful this video. A perspective of the journey of entry and leaving the ferry that I had never seen. The bridge? Smoke in the eyes
Fantastico e come sempre complimenti! Tuttavia, stavolta c'è una grandissima falla! La vista, come immagino saprai bene, non è quella del macchinista! La motrice è posta in coda dopo i carri scudo e non entra MAI sul traghetto! Grazie ancora per gli splendidi video! Impareggiabile!
Certainly.a cab ride but also an aerial views of operations concerning passengers or freight trains having to cross the strait of Messina. First for the aerial views. Congratulations (complimenti). Very interesting. Grazie per questo video.
@javierguidounicaud6621 thank you. I am glad that you like it. I thought that different perspective, from above, would be very interesting for that not so common train ride.
There was a rail ferry between Rødby DK and Puttgarden DE on the line between Copenhagen and Hamburg. I traveled it on a DB ICE train back in 2014 and it was really fun. The ferry took 45 minutes to cross. Unfortunately because the water was choppy that day, passengers had to disembark the train before it loaded onto the ferry. I believe train service ended 2019 and now takes a longer route. The whole thing is being replaced by the massive Fehmarn Belt Tunnel project led by Denmark set to complete 2029. The B1M has a terrific video on the project. Thanks for your video; gave me similar vibes to that day crossing from Germany to Denmark.
@glensandberg4863 It seems as a great experience. This ferry ride is shorter, all together with loading and unloading the train takes about an hour, just the ride is about 20 minutes, I guess.
Yes, I know. I traveled by train between Copenhagen and Hamburg during 1980s when I was a student and I had my "compulsory" experience with InterRail. I also travelled with the Oslo - Hamburg train that was ferried twice at the time. The first between Sweden and Denmark between Helsingborg and Helsingor (the bridge was not there at the time), and the second between Denmark and Germany between Rodby and Puttgarden. That was a record, because I don't think there were any other train that were ferried twice on their route.
This is not the only existing rail ferry system in Europe, but it is currently the only one that also has passenger service. For your information, until 2009 railways in Italy also ferried trains (but only for freight service) between Civitavecchia and Golfo Aranci in Sardinia. Now the service has been closed (not without controversy), and if any movement of rolling stock to and from Sardinia is required for service reasons then the Villa San Giovanni rail docking is used on the mainland Italy side. In Sardinia, the Golfo Aranci rail docking has been kept partially active just for these services, which as far as I know are quite rare, while the Civitavecchia docking has been completely dismantled.
@marcopascucci7580 Thank you for your information. I had the info that until 2020 there was another service from Germany to Sweden, it looks that only fright, but from 2020 the only active is this one. I did not know that there are still connections to Sardinia. It is nice that there are more active connections like this.
The Sardinia sea connection is active in some circumstances like train movement from/to Sardinia such as delivery new trains (Blues) from Italy to Sardinia and, at the same time, the reverse delivery for older trains (ALn, D445, MDVE passenger railcar)
Hvala za ovaj video! Interislander, NZ ferry za prijevoz vagona između Wellingotona i Pictona radi i nema namjere prestati. Dva nova broda većeg kapaciteta bi trebala ući u servis 2025.
Congratulations, really a great video. I believe it is the first about the Messina Strait train ferry with aerial views and will become historic when the bridge is finally built!
@giuseppemasciale1693 I am so happy to hear that. I found the crossing very, very interesting and though that in the combination with the aerial view would be nice.
@antonius5143 hvala vam za komentar. Po pravici povedano, do pred kratkim niti sam nisem vedel, da obstaja trajekt, na katerega lahko gre cel vlak. Čudovito doživetje.
Attenzione la loco ripresa al secondo 02:15 è una E.652 non una E.633. Questo ultimo modello è accantonato da moltissimi anni, oltre ad essere diverso rispetto alla E.652 sul gruppo fari.
Bellissimo video interessantissimo !!!!!! dei traghettamenti speriamo che non facciano MAI e ripeto MAI il ponte sullo stretto di Messina non serve a niente con la Sicilia che si sposta verso Nord e la Calabria verso Sud deve rimanere cosi per sempre bellissimo video un saluto buona note ciao
Hello...Encore 😁 Celle-ci est unique en son genre... BRAVISSIMO !!👏💪 Maîtrise totale du drone...👍 Franchement, elle est belle...🤩 Je t'ai cherché en train de diriger le drone du sol, mais je ne te trouve pas...😉 Cette vidéo me fait penser à une chose... Mais je ne sais pas si je peux mettre un lien, ici, vers une autre vidéo youtube...🤔 En tous les cas, superbement filmée !! 😋 Idée géniale, tout simplement...👍👍👍👍👍 Merci pour le partage.🙏 Amicalement. @+👋
@gargamel91 hello. Yes, this journey is unique. For me it was the first time to ride on the train on the ferry. Very nice experience. I am glad that you like the video. Kind regards.
Ho viaggiato per parecchi anni da Torino a Milazzo con il Treno del Sole, e con l'auto al seguito (Espresso 1940 Siracusa/1941 Palermo). L'arrivo a Villa San Giovanni rappresentava molto spesso (anche mentalmente) l'inizio e la fine delle ferie. Adesso non vi sono relazioni dirette fino a Milazzo...☹☹☹ Così, la cosa più conveniente, per non farsi la sfacchinata di guidare fino in sicilia, è rimasta il traghetto da Genova a Palermo...⛴⛴⛴
@@RailRelaxation Partenza intorno alle 17,30 da Torino Porta Nuova, Arrivo a Milazzo intorno alle 10,00 del giorno dopo. Bisognava presentarsi 1,30 h prima in via nizza per poter caricare le auto sui vagoni predisposti e una volta arrivati a Milazzo, veniva staccato il vagone del trasporto auto e circa alle 11,00 veniva riconsegnata l'auto. Una vera impresa, considerati i ritardi cronici...
If i'm not wrong, existed another night train plus car following. the "Freccia della Laguna" express From Venezia S. Lucia, numbered 1931/1933 (because arrived at Messina was separated in two sections: 1931 towards Palermo, the 1933 towards Catania and Siracusa). But the characteristic was that the car wagons were added at Bologna and like the Treno del Sole you had to load the car at least 1 hour and half before departure at Piazzale Est. The car following in this case ended at Villa San Giovanni. I made fantastic voyages because i reserved two beds in the sleeping carand the service for the early nineties was very good and confortable. and the marvel of passing Messina strait with the ferry renewed every year. Unfortunately all that come to an end abruptly and without a serious explanation by Trenitalia. Now you have a night train from Roma termini, but no longer following car. So you have to drive 1000 km at least or take a plane with Ryan air with proihibitive costs.
The next video that I will produce for you, friends, viewers and subscribers of the Rail Relaxation channel, will be a video to commemorate the 100 cab ride journeys on the channel and will be a very special one!
hola en 2 semanas tengo boletos de tren desde bagnara a palermo con tramo villa san giovanni ,messina maritima,messina centrale palermo,uno debe bajar del tren en san giovanni y en el ferry debe bajar del vagon? gracias
@mikezard1311 I have the info that this train ferry is the only remaining in Europe. Someone just wrote in the comments today, that there is a possibility for similar service, if needed, from Villa S. Giovanni to Sardinia, just for freight trains. There were more ferries like this around, but they were replaced by bridges and tunnels.
Was. Line between Hamburg and Copenhagen (which used ferry between Puttgarden and Rodby) isn't running any more as the line is being upgraded on both sides to prepare for the completion of the Fehmarn Belt undersea tunnel. It was operated by Danish (DSB) IC3 trains and later by (those unlucky) DB ICE-TD tilt-diesel trains. When the tunnel is built and lines upgraded, there will be a high(er)-speed (200-250km/h) electrified fixed link between Hamburg and Copenhagen.
I was always wondering what is the point of that. Would not be easier, faster and with less work to unload the passangers to a boat, which they do anyway, cross the sea and than jsut load them into a different train?
@@pavlik02 As far as I know (informal sources), Trenitalia's intention for several years was to close the service to passengers and have them walk onto the ship, without ferrying the train, at least during the day. But it seems that despite the long time required for the ferry, travellers prefer to stay on the train therefore they mantained the service. Now the Rome-Sicily daytime Intercity runs with two separate sections of four carriages each, with two control cars in the middle, one locomotive at the head and the other at the tail. On arrival at Villa San Giovanni, the two sections enter the ferry separately. The idea (I do not know if they have already done this) is to equip the two locomotives with batteries to allow the two sections to enter the ferry independently even in the absence of a catenary and gain as much time as possible. On departure from Messina, the two sections split up, one continues on to Palermo, the other to Catania and Syracuse. One section continues with the locomotive in pull mode, the other with the locomotive on push mode (the semi-pilot cars are used for this). On the return journey, exactly the opposite occurs.
Fuori dall'Europa, mi pare ci sia ancora la Nuova Zelanda a mantenere un servizio simile, tra le due isole che costituiscono quel paese; senza che ancora vi sia un collegamento stabile con ponte o tunnel.
@nicolasmoreau3084 I have read about the plans that have been approved and cancelled a few times already. I don't think this will happen any time soon. Although I think this ferry is one of the unique places where we can see the train entering the ferry.
The plans have been around since the 19th century. I hope it never happens. Sicily is too beautiful to be connected to the mainland. Moreover it would be extremely difficult and costly, Messina is in a very earthquake prone zone. Remember the 1908?
@luisaanderlini3592 Thank you for that information. I did it already, but, unfortunately, I got a big mosquito in the middle of the camera from Villa S. Giovanni to Sapri. I have to record it again. Next time when in Italy.
@luisaanderlini3592 You are very welcome. To be honest there is not much to see on that part. But for sure I will film it again. There are still some very nice lines that I want t o film around there.
Suspension bridges are not ideal for the railway (though there are long suspension bridges that carry railway - April 25th bridge in Lisabon with a main span of about a kilometre) and most long railway (or combined road/rail) bridges are cable-stayed. Due to the width and depth of the Messina strait, bridge would probably need to be a single-span of over 3km (which is cca 50% longer than longest suspension bridge span today - 1915 Çanakkale Bridge in Turkey and about 3 times longer than longest cable-stayed bridge span which is Russky Bridge in Vladivostok). To get railway on that bridge would be rather difficult. Another option I have seen is railway tunnel, but it would need to be south where the sea is shallower but the tunnel would be longer (mere fact that You need to go deep under the sea means tunnel must be long due to grade limitation). Of course, tectonics is a huge issue for either tunnel or bridge, also very long span might mean it could end up being only a road bridge.
E' più il tempo che si perde nella scomposizione e ricomposizione dei treni, che quello di effettiva traversata (3 km scarsi). Meglio sarebbe rinunciare al traghettamento, istituendo traversate con lance o imbarcazioni veloci, in coincidenza coi treni dalle due parti.
Penso che questo infatti si pratica durante le ore diurne (forse hai notato un'imbarcazione veloce accanto al traghetto dove a un punto si stava imbarcando la gente che probabilmente era appena scesa dalla stazione e poco dopo l'imbarcazione e' partita). D'altra parte il traghetto e' ancora molto conveniente per quelli che partono da Palermo o Siracusa per la terraferma di notte e non hanno bisogno di cambiare il treno, soprattutto nelle vetture letti e cuccette. E poi ci sono pure i treni merci.
@@maxart3392 No no, l'Intercity diurno Roma - Sicilia, con le due sezioni per Palermo e Catania/Siracusa viene sempre traghettato. Vedi l'altro mio commento in inglese dove spiego come.
Tenendo presente che stiamo parlando di treni della Lunga Percorrenza, occorre considerare che normalmente si hanno dei bagagli, salire e scendere dai treni, salire e scendere dall'aliscafo e soprattutto a Messina, la stazione centrale non è in prossimità del punto di arrivo degli aliscafi, rende la soluzione non fattibile, sia di giorno che di notte. Cosa diversa è per i pendolari che, essendo privi di bagagli, loro si che utilizzano l'aliscafo.
Bellissimo video, mi fa tornare bambino, quando con i miei cari tornavo in Sicilia per le vacanze estive, grazie.
@giuseppegeraci6678 I love the fact that those video are bringing back good memories from childhood.That is always so good.
Zum 1. Mal sehe ich, dass ein Zug in die Fähre reinfährt. Das finde ich sensationell. 😊👍🏻
Freundliche Grüße von Alex aus Berlin (Deutschland) 😊
There was such operation between Hamburg and Copenhagen, with trains being loaded to ferry between Puttgarden and Rodby. But it will be replaced by Fehmarn Belt Tunnel.
It was operated by Danish IC3 and DB 605 ICE-TD trains, being loaded to a ferry for the crossing.
@alexanderthielsch7370 it is nice to show something different from times to times. 😊
Amazing video! Interesting proces! Good work! Thumbs Up
All the best from Dublin
Andrew
@trainsmachineryldegmtrains3509 thank you very much Andrew.
So Beautiful and Cool train ferry ...never seen anything like this ......Wonderful video my friend..... Thanks for sharing👍👍👍
@kartikeyawalks6066 you are welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. I have to admit that I have neves seen anything like that either.
It's a valuable ferry since "ICE train: bird flight line" ended. The video from the drone is also amazing!
Grazie mille!🥰
@xeneelik5037 Glad you enjoyed it!
Stupendo rievocare le fasi di quello che è il traghettamento con questo video. Quanti ricordi a bordo dei lunghi treni espressi dal nord a Sud con appunto, l'imbarco, la traversata e tutte le fasi delle manovre. Ricordo il lungo e pesante Espresso Trinacria, con cuccette e vagone letto Siracusa - Milano C.le con le sezioni da Palermo a Messina. Il Treno Rapido 883/882 Peloritano Roma - Reggio Calabria, Siracusa e Palermo. Video interessantissimo....
@massimoz8530 Gracie. Thank you, I found the crossing and all the manoeuvres very interesting. For me it was the first time on board of the train crossing the sea inside of a ferry boat. It was a great experience and I am glad, that I could share it with the viewers.
Complimenti. Very beautiful this video. A perspective of the journey of entry and leaving the ferry that I had never seen.
The bridge? Smoke in the eyes
@cordialifetecchie Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastico e come sempre complimenti! Tuttavia, stavolta c'è una grandissima falla! La vista, come immagino saprai bene, non è quella del macchinista! La motrice è posta in coda dopo i carri scudo e non entra MAI sul traghetto! Grazie ancora per gli splendidi video! Impareggiabile!
@francescoditora7180 Grazie.
Great video! Thank you very much for sharing!
@beautifulflorida Our pleasure!
Certainly.a cab ride but also an aerial views of operations concerning passengers or freight trains having to cross the strait of Messina.
First for the aerial views. Congratulations (complimenti). Very interesting. Grazie per questo video.
@javierguidounicaud6621 thank you. I am glad that you like it. I thought that different perspective, from above, would be very interesting for that not so common train ride.
Joli vidéo bien filmée et rare . Merci pour le voyage et de nosu l'avoir transmis. Amicalement de la France.
@xavierthomas8311 thank you for watching.
There was a rail ferry between Rødby DK and Puttgarden DE on the line between Copenhagen and Hamburg. I traveled it on a DB ICE train back in 2014 and it was really fun. The ferry took 45 minutes to cross. Unfortunately because the water was choppy that day, passengers had to disembark the train before it loaded onto the ferry. I believe train service ended 2019 and now takes a longer route. The whole thing is being replaced by the massive Fehmarn Belt Tunnel project led by Denmark set to complete 2029. The B1M has a terrific video on the project. Thanks for your video; gave me similar vibes to that day crossing from Germany to Denmark.
@glensandberg4863 It seems as a great experience. This ferry ride is shorter, all together with loading and unloading the train takes about an hour, just the ride is about 20 minutes, I guess.
Yes, I know. I traveled by train between Copenhagen and Hamburg during 1980s when I was a student and I had my "compulsory" experience with InterRail. I also travelled with the Oslo - Hamburg train that was ferried twice at the time. The first between Sweden and Denmark between Helsingborg and Helsingor (the bridge was not there at the time), and the second between Denmark and Germany between Rodby and Puttgarden. That was a record, because I don't think there were any other train that were ferried twice on their route.
Danke für die Berichte .Klasse gemacht .Die sollen auch Mal was mehr so wie das hier berichten .Das ist auch leerreich
Sehr gut erklärt
@@rockabilli3058 Sie sind willkommen.
This is not the only existing rail ferry system in Europe, but it is currently the only one that also has passenger service.
For your information, until 2009 railways in Italy also ferried trains (but only for freight service) between Civitavecchia and Golfo Aranci in Sardinia. Now the service has been closed (not without controversy), and if any movement of rolling stock to and from Sardinia is required for service reasons then the Villa San Giovanni rail docking is used on the mainland Italy side. In Sardinia, the Golfo Aranci rail docking has been kept partially active just for these services, which as far as I know are quite rare, while the Civitavecchia docking has been completely dismantled.
@marcopascucci7580 Thank you for your information. I had the info that until 2020 there was another service from Germany to Sweden, it looks that only fright, but from 2020 the only active is this one. I did not know that there are still connections to Sardinia. It is nice that there are more active connections like this.
There is another rail ferry service (Interislander) between Wellington and Picton (New Zealand).
The Sardinia sea connection is active in some circumstances like train movement from/to Sardinia such as delivery new trains (Blues) from Italy to Sardinia and, at the same time, the reverse delivery for older trains (ALn, D445, MDVE passenger railcar)
@@ironicloud thank you for this info.
Hvala za ovaj video! Interislander, NZ ferry za prijevoz vagona između Wellingotona i Pictona radi i nema namjere prestati. Dva nova broda većeg kapaciteta bi trebala ući u servis 2025.
@medoswalks Po cijelom svijetu ima jih još nešto, samo u Europi ostao je samo ovaj.
Fantastic, David, i've never seen kind of this! Congratilation!
@sergiohenrique49 Sérgio, obrigado!
great train video bro
@EntertainmentWorldz
Thank you very much!
Muito legal! Eu nunca tinha visto um trem sendo transportado de balsa 👍
É realmente impressionante! 🙌
Complimenti all'autore del video!! Molto interessante!
@marcopascucci7580 Grazie mille.
Waw.Amazing video i fist time see train on ship
@24painkiller Thanks for watching. It is not a common thing, agree.
Complimenti, davvero un film più unico che raro! ❤
@bruno68berretta53 gracie!
Questo l'ho visuto una volta quando sono andato da Amantea (CS) a Messina. Belli ricordi.
@mariobuffone865 it is so nice t o hear that the video brings back beautiful memories on the past travels.
Congratulations, really a great video. I believe it is the first about the Messina Strait train ferry with aerial views and will become historic when the bridge is finally built!
@giuseppemasciale1693 I am so happy to hear that. I found the crossing very, very interesting and though that in the combination with the aerial view would be nice.
excellent video, great quality and a really interesting subject!
@thatsme9875 Thank you very much!
Thanks for this, it's a fascinating video of a really remarkable operation.
@Korschtal I agree with you that it is a remarkable operation. I enjoyed very much filming this video. I am glad you enjoyed watching it!
Zelo imenitna podrobnost nam nepoznanega železniškega prometa. BRAVO!🖕!
@antonius5143 hvala vam za komentar. Po pravici povedano, do pred kratkim niti sam nisem vedel, da obstaja trajekt, na katerega lahko gre cel vlak. Čudovito doživetje.
Great ⚓🚞♦!!!
Interesting🚃 in many ways🤩🤩🤩
@nongminfangwu Thank you 👍
Attenzione la loco ripresa al secondo 02:15 è una E.652 non una E.633. Questo ultimo modello è accantonato da moltissimi anni, oltre ad essere diverso rispetto alla E.652 sul gruppo fari.
@Gabri656 thank you for the info.
This is your best video ever! :)
@eulero75 Glad you think so!
Wow,super video👍👍👍
@pavelbartik3717 Thank you 👍
Great Video! 👏
@RobertoCopia Thanks for the visit.
Bellissimo video interessantissimo !!!!!! dei traghettamenti speriamo che non facciano MAI e ripeto MAI il ponte sullo stretto di Messina non serve a niente con la Sicilia che si sposta verso Nord e la Calabria verso Sud deve rimanere cosi per sempre bellissimo video un saluto buona note ciao
@alexberto6094 thank you for your comment. Buona note.
Traghetti più capienti e, corse più frequenti oltre a moderne strutture portuali.....altro che Ponte sullo stretto!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks!
@rostilembe Welcome!
Very interesting!
It is truly amazing.
Hello...Encore 😁
Celle-ci est unique en son genre...
BRAVISSIMO !!👏💪
Maîtrise totale du drone...👍
Franchement, elle est belle...🤩
Je t'ai cherché en train de diriger le drone du sol, mais je ne te trouve pas...😉
Cette vidéo me fait penser à une chose...
Mais je ne sais pas si je peux mettre un lien, ici, vers une autre vidéo youtube...🤔
En tous les cas, superbement filmée !! 😋
Idée géniale, tout simplement...👍👍👍👍👍
Merci pour le partage.🙏
Amicalement.
@+👋
@gargamel91 hello. Yes, this journey is unique. For me it was the first time to ride on the train on the ferry. Very nice experience. I am glad that you like the video. Kind regards.
Bellissimo video!!
@antoniocalderone7137 thank you.
Ho viaggiato per parecchi anni da Torino a Milazzo con il Treno del Sole, e con l'auto al seguito (Espresso 1940 Siracusa/1941 Palermo). L'arrivo a Villa San Giovanni rappresentava molto spesso (anche mentalmente) l'inizio e la fine delle ferie. Adesso non vi sono relazioni dirette fino a Milazzo...☹☹☹ Così, la cosa più conveniente, per non farsi la sfacchinata di guidare fino in sicilia, è rimasta il traghetto da Genova a Palermo...⛴⛴⛴
@sergiomoretuzzo975 wow, that must have been a great journey. It sounds very interesting.
@@RailRelaxation Partenza intorno alle 17,30 da Torino Porta Nuova, Arrivo a Milazzo intorno alle 10,00 del giorno dopo. Bisognava presentarsi 1,30 h prima in via nizza per poter caricare le auto sui vagoni predisposti e una volta arrivati a Milazzo, veniva staccato il vagone del trasporto auto e circa alle 11,00 veniva riconsegnata l'auto. Una vera impresa, considerati i ritardi cronici...
@sergiomoretuzzo975 very nice. But it is nice that you have your car with you n the holidays and don't need to drive whole night.
If i'm not wrong, existed another night train plus car following. the "Freccia della Laguna" express From Venezia S. Lucia, numbered 1931/1933 (because arrived at Messina was separated in two sections: 1931 towards Palermo, the 1933 towards Catania and Siracusa). But the characteristic was that the car wagons were added at Bologna and like the Treno del Sole you had to load the car at least 1 hour and half before departure at Piazzale Est. The car following in this case ended at Villa San Giovanni.
I made fantastic voyages because i reserved two beds in the sleeping carand the service for the early nineties was very good and confortable.
and the marvel of passing Messina strait with the ferry renewed every year.
Unfortunately all that come to an end abruptly and without a serious explanation by Trenitalia. Now you have a night train from Roma termini, but no longer following car. So you have to drive 1000 km at least or take a plane with Ryan air with proihibitive costs.
Interesting views from the drone ? LOL🥸
@veijovuorela7574 thanks.
Did the drone take off from the "H" on top deck? Would be great to see.
@emilebarco9132 No, it was not from there.
Very nice video. Some news about the next one?
The next video that I will produce for you, friends, viewers and subscribers of the Rail Relaxation channel, will be a video to commemorate the 100 cab ride journeys on the channel and will be a very special one!
Hi Rail Relaxation, could you do the MESSINA - PALERMO cab ride section? please, it would be a wish I've been waiting for a long time
DAVIDBLADE94 I would love to do it. I will do my best on my next trip to South Italy.
@@RailRelaxation thank you 🤗❤️
hola en 2 semanas tengo boletos de tren desde bagnara a palermo con tramo villa san giovanni ,messina maritima,messina centrale palermo,uno debe bajar del tren en san giovanni y en el ferry debe bajar del vagon? gracias
@alejandrohugocampos6919 It sounds great. For the crossing the Messina straight you can stay on the train. Enjoy your trip.
per carità, video bello e interessante... ci vuole il ponte pero'!
@user-og5jo4vo6i thanks for your comment.
very nice. is this the only place that does something similar? i can't think of any other.
@mikezard1311 I have the info that this train ferry is the only remaining in Europe. Someone just wrote in the comments today, that there is a possibility for similar service, if needed, from Villa S. Giovanni to Sardinia, just for freight trains. There were more ferries like this around, but they were replaced by bridges and tunnels.
@@RailRelaxation thank you very much!
@@mikezard1311 you are welcome.
Welcome villa san Giovanni.
@TheChester1023 ️👍
Ya que moi que le bip agace ? C'est tout le long de la vidéo ? Sinon a par ça génial
@poissondetoiles8159 I know that the beeps a bit annoying, but the crossing was like that.
That is similar setup in Denmark as well I believe
Was. Line between Hamburg and Copenhagen (which used ferry between Puttgarden and Rodby) isn't running any more as the line is being upgraded on both sides to prepare for the completion of the Fehmarn Belt undersea tunnel. It was operated by Danish (DSB) IC3 trains and later by (those unlucky) DB ICE-TD tilt-diesel trains. When the tunnel is built and lines upgraded, there will be a high(er)-speed (200-250km/h) electrified fixed link between Hamburg and Copenhagen.
@@ZvonimirZelenika Fala puno
Assistir Rail relaxation em:01/04/2023, ás 12:38 minutos, Sábado, estado de Pernambuco-Brazil. Um pouco de relaxamento para aliviar o estresse.
@marcosantonio1006 este é para relaxar mesmo. Com a parte filmado com drone, visão diferente...tenha um bom sábado.
Ciao , arriverai sulla Caserta/Foggia?
@Gabri656 I have plans to film there too. On my next trip to Italy.
@@RailRelaxation Thank you, it deserves a lot, the line will be discontinued in a few years and replaced by a new one.
@Gabri656 thank you for this information. I did not know that. I should better be quick then.
I was always wondering what is the point of that. Would not be easier, faster and with less work to unload the passangers to a boat, which they do anyway, cross the sea and than jsut load them into a different train?
@pavlik02 For the passengers yes, but for the cargo, transfer the whole train with the ferry is the best and easiest thing.
@@RailRelaxation sure think, but this was passanger train
@@pavlik02 As far as I know (informal sources), Trenitalia's intention for several years was to close the service to passengers and have them walk onto the ship, without ferrying the train, at least during the day. But it seems that despite the long time required for the ferry, travellers prefer to stay on the train therefore they mantained the service. Now the Rome-Sicily daytime Intercity runs with two separate sections of four carriages each, with two control cars in the middle, one locomotive at the head and the other at the tail. On arrival at Villa San Giovanni, the two sections enter the ferry separately. The idea (I do not know if they have already done this) is to equip the two locomotives with batteries to allow the two sections to enter the ferry independently even in the absence of a catenary and gain as much time as possible.
On departure from Messina, the two sections split up, one continues on to Palermo, the other to Catania and Syracuse. One section continues with the locomotive in pull mode, the other with the locomotive on push mode (the semi-pilot cars are used for this). On the return journey, exactly the opposite occurs.
@marcopascucci7580 thank you for the detailed description, Very interesting.
اللهم صل على محمد وال محمد ❤ good
@user-np7se4cs6t Thanks.
Only his family
Can you upload something about Naples
@antonioio7238 there will be published something about Naples in the next weeks, I am working on it already.
what is that massive beeping sound in the beginning.!?
@evangouldtransit it is the operator's radio.
On Sicilia it's much railways around the island.
Yes, it is a lot of lines around Sicily
Quanto dura la traversata?
@vassallo49 it is more than an hour the whole process and the actual crossing is about 20,25 minutes. It is not far.
@@RailRelaxation thaks!
@vassallo49 you are welcome. Have a nice Easter!
@@RailRelaxation Grazie buona Pasqua!
@vassallo49 Grazie!
Il video è veramente bello!! Ma quel beep è veramente fastidioso
@stefaniaromeo9776 I know. I did not like it either. But it is a part of the crossing.
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Cos'è questo fastidioso beep intermittente?
@vassallo49 it is a kind of radio that the operator has with him.
Fuori dall'Europa, mi pare ci sia ancora la Nuova Zelanda a mantenere un servizio simile, tra le due isole che costituiscono quel paese; senza che ancora vi sia un collegamento stabile con ponte o tunnel.
@vincenzocanta9783 Yes, I believe that out of Europe there are still some ferries like that. I find them very interesting.
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@bolesawkukuniek1605 thank you for your feedback.
Uora uora arriv' o' ferribbott'
@emiliobarbieri1348 👍
Un pont était prévu sur le détroit de Messine, le projet est abandonné?
@nicolasmoreau3084 I have read about the plans that have been approved and cancelled a few times already. I don't think this will happen any time soon. Although I think this ferry is one of the unique places where we can see the train entering the ferry.
The plans have been around since the 19th century. I hope it never happens. Sicily is too beautiful to be connected to the mainland. Moreover it would be extremely difficult and costly, Messina is in a very earthquake prone zone. Remember the 1908?
@luisaanderlini3592 Thank you for that information. I did it already, but, unfortunately, I got a big mosquito in the middle of the camera from Villa S. Giovanni to Sapri. I have to record it again. Next time when in Italy.
@luisaanderlini3592 You are very welcome. To be honest there is not much to see on that part. But for sure I will film it again. There are still some very nice lines that I want t o film around there.
Suspension bridges are not ideal for the railway (though there are long suspension bridges that carry railway - April 25th bridge in Lisabon with a main span of about a kilometre) and most long railway (or combined road/rail) bridges are cable-stayed. Due to the width and depth of the Messina strait, bridge would probably need to be a single-span of over 3km (which is cca 50% longer than longest suspension bridge span today - 1915 Çanakkale Bridge in Turkey and about 3 times longer than longest cable-stayed bridge span which is Russky Bridge in Vladivostok). To get railway on that bridge would be rather difficult. Another option I have seen is railway tunnel, but it would need to be south where the sea is shallower but the tunnel would be longer (mere fact that You need to go deep under the sea means tunnel must be long due to grade limitation). Of course, tectonics is a huge issue for either tunnel or bridge, also very long span might mean it could end up being only a road bridge.
Ma in quel video c'è qualcuno che lavora...???
Tutti con le mani in tasca......😅😅😅😅😅
Si, come no, il treno e il traghetto fanno tutto da soli. Che commento idiota!
@@giumas1693 Era ironico….come non capirlo.
Pazienza…..😂😂😂
@@giovannigatti4166 Io ci ho visto più sarcasmo che ironia, ma se lo dici tu ci credo e scusami.
@@giumas1693 E' ironia se no non facevo le faccine da ridere. 👍
E' più il tempo che si perde nella scomposizione e ricomposizione dei treni, che quello di effettiva traversata (3 km scarsi).
Meglio sarebbe rinunciare al traghettamento, istituendo traversate con lance o imbarcazioni veloci, in coincidenza coi treni dalle due parti.
@vincenzocanta9783 I guess it would be faster. But for the train enthusiasts it would not be so interesting😊
Penso che questo infatti si pratica durante le ore diurne (forse hai notato un'imbarcazione veloce accanto al traghetto dove a un punto si stava imbarcando la gente che probabilmente era appena scesa dalla stazione e poco dopo l'imbarcazione e' partita). D'altra parte il traghetto e' ancora molto conveniente per quelli che partono da Palermo o Siracusa per la terraferma di notte e non hanno bisogno di cambiare il treno, soprattutto nelle vetture letti e cuccette. E poi ci sono pure i treni merci.
@maxart3392 yes, that is true. It is much more convenient for the night trains. Not to mention the cargo trains....
@@maxart3392 No no, l'Intercity diurno Roma - Sicilia, con le due sezioni per Palermo e Catania/Siracusa viene sempre traghettato. Vedi l'altro mio commento in inglese dove spiego come.
Tenendo presente che stiamo parlando di treni della Lunga Percorrenza, occorre considerare che normalmente si hanno dei bagagli, salire e scendere dai treni, salire e scendere dall'aliscafo e soprattutto a Messina, la stazione centrale non è in prossimità del punto di arrivo degli aliscafi, rende la soluzione non fattibile, sia di giorno che di notte.
Cosa diversa è per i pendolari che, essendo privi di bagagli, loro si che utilizzano l'aliscafo.