How Tight was the Drain Plug?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Just a quick follow-up to answer a few questions from the Instant Oil Change FAIL video:
-how tight was the drain plug?
-was an impact wrench used to tighten the plug?
-were the welds on the inner nut too weak?
Since we like to be quantitative on the PHAD channel, let's actually get a number: how hard was the Chrysler drain plug tightened before the inner nut stripped off of the oil pan body?
Enjoy!
Ivan
What the hell happened to that toenail?
R. E. Hill LOL yeah the carnage was that toenail lol. And people with funky feet and nasty toenails always wanna be the ones who always wear sandals lol
It got ripped clean off in a collegiate road cycling crash about 8 years ago. Never grew back quite right. And I was even wearing shoes during the crash!
Toe nailed
+R.E. Don't tell Ivan but I'm getting him a pedicure gift card for Xmas this year ;)
his feet are fine apart from that injury and who cares. maybe you all should work at a salon if bothers you so much.
the guy who tightened the drain plug used to work at the pickle factory tightening the metal lids.
You'd think your trying to pull Excalibur out of the enchanted stone.
😂
😂😂😂
keep tightening till car flips on its side then back off 1/8 turn
LOL
😂😂😂
Another good video! I don't change my own oil to save money, I do it to keep those people away from my car.
B crinshaw Yes.
Exactly. That's why I became an auto technician haha
I agree pops plus if a man's working on your car in flip flops run away I work at the #1 dealer in Southeastern Toyota yup Dave Edwards and if we wore flip-flops to work we would be sent home
Oil Pan Plugs and Lug Nuts, Smfh.
Yep, first time I did my oil was the morning after Jiffy Lube didn't properly install my oil filter. Most (but not all) the oil was leaked out near the filter because part of the old filter's gasket had ripped off the old filter and was stuck to the block.
Ivan your foot in that oil pan gives new meaning to the term "foot pounds"!!!
Now thats comedy.
😂😂😂😂
I saw this comment and I just had to like it😂
Lol😂
You should get some steel toed sandals.
Tighten drain plug until crush washer disappears lol
Or until the crush washer friction welds itself to be part of the oil pan lol
Hey, they don't call them crush washers for nothing.
They used the German torque spec on that bolt: "Good'n Tight".
That's German for virgin, right? lol
That's the problem; some will over-tighten because they got into trouble once for not tightening it properly (or at all) because they were rushed and forgot.
This is beyond long handle ratchet tight. This is run it down with an impact till it squeaks, then give it another quarter turn.
In order to save time they used the same impact gun and torque stick to tighten the drain plug as they did for the tire rotation.
With you, the slipping flipflop and the oil pan balanced on the 2x6, it’s like watching a train wreck.
I'll do anything to get more views haha
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics Ivan: Take a look at the DeadOnDiagnostics Channel here on UA-cam. You are the only person I know of who has the education and training to fully appreciate what that mechanic/technician is actually talking about and doing. Enjoy!
Doesn't shock me seeing as how Jiffy Lube stripped my oil plug and then refused to take responsibility for it. Them and Pep Boys especially are on my shit list.
The guys at Speedy Lube must watch Scotty Kilmer's repair videos. How to fix an oil drain plug bolt...... weld it! haha
And then you tighten it down! Ugh!
Scotty!!!!!!
I'm waiting for Scotty Kilmer's repair video. How to fix a bad toenail with .... Weld It!
Fake Scotty Kilmer profile....
Scotty doesn't fix cars! He does vids. and his vids. are snake-oil salesman type solutions! He yells!
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your shoes! ;)
they gave it the beansssssss
Gat big nasty to vibrate it loose!
those guys routinely use an impact on drain plugs ...Over the years Ive probably replaced 70 oil pans from them ...if they arent stripped and falling out the other end of the spectrum is the bolt is so tight welded nut snaps off trying to remove them..
Nice nike air jarusalems
Conor Cousins 😂😂😂😆😆😆😆😆😂😂😂😂😂
Haven't had anyone change my oil in years. I have had striped oil drain plugs. I have had were they didn't change the oil, just the filter. I have had them try and sell me a needless transition flush. Some of my friends have had even worse things happen. Can't trust anyone, now I do everything my self. Great video, thank you
You can tell the service poor already ... they didnt weld the plug.
I see you really get into your work. I bought car that had been to K-Mart for an oil change and the drain plug fell out as the owner drove it home. The engine was toast. I bought a wrecked car with the same engine and made a good profit when I sold the car. The mechanic that made that expensive mistake (K-Mart did pay) probably has been overcompensating ever since and working at Valvoline.
Take an excessively greedy huge corporation, add under trained and under paid employees who hate their employer, and you end up with lots of cars being harmed when customers just want a simple proper oil change. The Internet is full of well documented examples of quick lube places harming vehicles, not performing the services they charge for, up selling and performing unneeded and sometime harmful services (like "motor flushes"), and generally proving they can't be trusted to service a lawnmower let alone a valuable car. Thanks for providing another example.
I don't know what's worse, Ivan's music or his toe nail.
My wife calls it "Franken-nail" xD
I can never trust a man working on a car wearing sandals
Lol!
Wow that was insane. I'm speechless.
I think the real test is how much torque did it take to break the welds of the inner jam nut...
This is extremely common, even at car dealers. Idiots over torquing not only the drain plug but wheel nuts and pretty much every thing else. I bet if one is relatively strong, it would not leak if you just finger tightened it.
I've left one finger tight by accident once and it came back dry, but Ford's also have rubber o rings on their plugs. But I dont work at a quick lube place and I definitely don't over torque the drain plugs. It's very annoying having to replace them after we get one from a quick lube place. I work at a Ford Dealership, and always have to deal with the tire shops and other places over torquing the lugnuts and destroying the caps also as well as the threads on the drain plugs. I had a car come in with the drain plug so tight i had to use a long breaker bar to break torque, Most of the time it's from Valvoline or Jiffy Lube.
Break away torque is always more then tightening torque for several reasons...
#1 It takes less torque to keep a bolt in motion then it does one that is stationary.
#2 Heat cycles warp the metal overtime and cause binding.
The other fault:
Re-using crush gaskets can damage threads as gaskets can only be deformed so many times before they no longer "Crush".
Replace your damn bolts and crush gaskets on parts of the car that go through that stress... NEVER REUSE OLD GASKETS and replace the bolt when needed.
Yes,thanks for sharing this video.The last 2× my oil has been changed I went to jiffy lubes once,and the plug was very tight.Then I went out of town,and I had someone else change the oil,and I told him make sure that drain plug is not to tight.
Smh,just 2day I tried to loosen the drainplug,and some idiot used LOCKTITE on it.Anything to keep you coming back.I usually change it myself.But customers BEWARE!!!!
Holy crap. Must have been Goofy Lube
The oil pan on all 3 of my daily driven vehicles are aluminum... I usually break out the actual torque wrench and torque it to the factory specified 13 lb-ft. That sounds ridiculously low, and in fact you can easily turn it further, but I've found 2 major things are at play here: 1) the oil is deceptive, the added lubricity makes the 13 lb-ft more like 25 or even 30 dry. 2) after a couple of heat cycles it seems to tighten up even more, so by the time 5,000 miles have rolled around it's on there good and tight. You can still bust your knuckles breaking the drain plug loose if you're not paying attention.
I'm about to try and drain my sisters car ugh it's really stuck in there
Great Video, just Freekn - RIDICULOUS!!, Also, try to use, or should I say always use the 'Box End Side' of the wrench which is good for holding the NUT, So it won't strip on you... 👌
It wouldn't fit around the nut...too close to the bottom of the pan!
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics, + Ohhhhhh, i see, okay, my bad, can I take it back???, LOL 😁
Had an intresting pub debate over this and conclusion is undo torque is considerably less than torque used to tighten the same
Took me an 8' extension and a bolt remover to get my plug off my BRZ when the dealer did an oil change. By some miracle they didn't fuck it.
My wife went to one of those quick oil change places and when she got back there was a large puddle of oil under the car.Upon inspection i found the oil filter had the gasket from the old filter on top of the new filter gasket. I called the place and talked to the manager he wanted us to drive back down so they could fix it.I fixed it myself and had them reimburse the cost of the oil.I should have just changed the oil myself.NEVER Again will i take my vehicles to a quick lube place.
Who is liable for this , these jiffy loob places do this on purpose !
My guess is, three ugg duggs was used to tighten the bolt.
Can't believe the threads held up to that!
That pan looks super thin - no wonder the nut didn't hold! Still, gorillas at the quick lube joint! What a joke!
Great video, but breakaway torque is different than original torque. Almost always I believe because you have to break the static friction between plug and nut
You couldn't find the welds? Maybe the nut was just glued into place, evidently the glue didn't stand up. Of course it's hard to estimate what force was applied but less than 70 ft lbs sounds like a good guess. Sure, that was too much, but I think you have found evidence the pan was defective or at least inadequately manufactured. It makes one wonder how often that happens, and whether the company quietly replaces pans when this happens at the dealer. The drain nut on my Subaru tends to leak, and it's a little frustrating knowing that new pans are made so poorly compared to the heavy designs of the past. Old style drain plugs could tolerate 70 foot pounds every day, even though nobody was applying that much force. Good engineering should design the easily replaced part (the bolt) to fail first, so you would have more of a chance to replace it without having to take the pan off.
Nice safety shoes ivan🤣
Jews are the smartest people in the world, not when it comes to mechanical stuff/common sense life though, you heard!
Oh, how about "down till it smokes, then a quarter of a turn."
Um...why is there a nut on the back of it ....on the inside of the sump?? Makes it pretty impractical!! ...or indeed broken hence the internal nut...I change my Isuzu D'Max oil every 5000 km. Unless the sump gasket is leaking why would you take the sump off ... no wonder it tightened down so hard. Both meshed to the sump!! The
thread for sump plug should be part of the sump.. not an internal bolt! Wtf! Seen it all 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
so just imagine the guy probably had car jacked up and used a wrench.he must have used his body and cranked that thing down.or someone hit it on there with a impact?
I will never go back to any Valvoline oil change place at any locations. They strip oil plug on my 2016 Huyandi Santa Fe Sport and on my 2009 Chevy Silverado they over tighten oil plug and oil filter. Oil filter had use extreme measure get it off and lucky oil plug on Silverado wasn't strip had use a breaker bar. Going back do my own oil changes.
I have found that they will lose, or fail to put the sealing washer back on the drain plug. so when put it back in, it may only be tighten to 20 or 30 ft. lbs., but now you have the steel flange on the plug tightened against the steel pan creating a lot of friction, so it may take 80 or 90 lb, of torque to remove.
you mean, steal plug onto an aluminum pans, bro.
Jesus Christmas! I hate those instant lube places. I checked my 1999 Ford E-150 in for an oil change. I was having some health problems and really wasn't feeling up to getting into the van. The sky behind the counter was telling me they're all certified mechanics! Bravo! Then he opens the door and yells out into the bay to the guy working on my van is that E150 front wheel drive or rear wheel drive. Seriously you're a Certified mechanic and you don't know the answer to that one?!? I specifically told the butt munch that I only wanted the oil change I did not want them touching anything else on the van. The next day my power steering was low, the AC was suddenly a pound or so low on R134, and suddenly my differential was low on oil I could hear it. Coincidence? I think not. If I go to burn the place down I would have. Yeah this really happened. Corner of Gandy Boulevard and Manhattan Avenue in Tampa Florida. Don't use a place to change the oil on your lawn mower.
At 21 yo I stoped trusting majority of mechanics and auto repair shops.
I'm 68 yo now.
Yrs I have been to good shops with good honest mechanics, few and far in between.
The last shop ended up Replaceing 2 of their automatic transmissions, ( under warrenteed). They did both for free. They were honest. Fired 2 installers and a rebuilder.
But after last one I had starter issues, turned out 2 bolts from flax plate to torque converter came loose and fell out.
The whole issue left my truck out of commission for months.
Part of problem was China flu shut down and supply chain shortages.
Even dealerships have "certified tech" issues.
Till the day I strip driveing I will change my own oil, tune ups, replace small component parts.
Yes, but if in the manual I have a tightening torque, let's say 40 nm, in reality, because there is oil on the screw, I will probably tighten 40% more. Correct?
Your customer was a fool to eat the cost. It makes us all look bad!!!
Sandels??? wake up,son....and don't use that piece of shit harbor freight torque wrench. and don't tell me it isn't!
no offense, but you gotta be a Jew.
They didn’t want to take the chance of it coming loose and losing all the oil!😆
My last trip to a quick change shop was to Jiffy Lube, which provided their "Signature Service" to my car. It was a Mazda MX-6 with a manual transaxle. They changed the oil and filter and as I was about to pay they ran down their list of items they supposedly checked and offered suggested services based on car mileage and age. Sounds good so far, right? They rattled off about ten things that were fine then said they checked the transaxle fluid level and it was good. I suspected they hadn't checked this, so I asked them how they did that. Oh, there is a dipstick in the engine compartment. No, there is not... Oh, Mr. Raasch, we know your car, there is a dipstick in the engine compartment. No, there is not... Ah, there is a plug in the side of the transaxle, we take that out to check the oil level. No, there is not. At this point we went out to the car which was still in the bay and the tech was under the car. The sales clerk asked the tech if he checked the transaxle oil level. Yes. How? Dipstick in engine compartment. No... Plug in side of transaxle. No. As I stumped both of these liars, they asked, so how DO you check it? You remove the speedometer cable and check for the level on the plastic gear. It is simple to do, but I highly suspected did it. What good is a signature when the people filling out the form are liars? Last time ever to Jiffy Lube.
Employee: hey boss how tight do I tighten the drain plug on this vehicle.
Boss: um 5 uga doogas is how tight you should tighten it. Next service we will charge the customer for a new oil sump.
A shop I used to work for did a deal with a local Discount Tire. We would replace the wheel studs they break for free (except those that require removal of the hub or more parts expense than just the stud and nut) if they refer all alignments to us. I think we ended up replacing at least one wheel stud a day from them. During winter it would sometimes be several a day. I understand that they're dealing with a lot of wheel studs and lug nuts on a daily basis, but still! Don't even get me started on quick lube places. Last year, I replaced 3 engines and did one timing chain job for a quick lube place (just one location) for their customer's cars that had no oil in them shortly after they did an oil change.
BMW worked on my M5 they left bolts undone and I had a rubber plug going to my fuse box totally missing they had to order a new one from Germany but it came with cut out hole so I had to fill it with silicone. They also damaged my windshield and hood after car wash malfunction they did paint and replace my parts.
Was the drain plug repedidly over tightened , YES . .
But with all due respect , BREAKAWAY TORQUE IS NOT THE SAME AS TIGHTENING TORQUE......you Can NOT reverse touque measure...
The breakaway torque would be less than the torque it was actually torqued to, so either way the drain plug was ridiculously over tightened. The torque spec on that vehicle is most likely about 20ft lbs and if he got up to 70ftlbs then it was torqued higher than that.
ua-cam.com/video/0zuqSrD6F8I/v-deo.html
50000000 ft lbs
I take my Rav 4 to the dealer that way if they screw up it’s on them ...
And only use dealer for exactly this reason no blame games
How come you didn't try an put a breaker bar an socket on the bolt while it was still on the car? Might of saved the lady some funds?
At least it would not come on done driving down the road🤣🤣🤣🤣
Today I ran my Porter Cable torque driver to the limit to remove the drain plug. The drill, on its highest setting, was not enough to loosen the bolt. I'm going to try my impact drill today.
same thing happened too me
I've never understood over tightening a drain plug. I've never stripped one out.
You must leave the car runi g for 30 mins amd then untighten the drain plug the heat will help loosen the bolt
Of course they used an impact. That’s what all those muppets use on everything.
Im not sure what's worse. The instant oil change botch job or your big toe nail.
What's wrong with my toenail? Should I put some pink nailpolish on it for the next camera appearance? xD
I think we all can agree the worse thing is not the drain plug but those sandals
Out here with your chanqletas in a oil pan tussilin wit a torque wrench ... god damn it man get your shit together 😂
Last weekend I couldn't get mine loose with an impact drill. Idiots.
Жесть на СТО. (Станция Технического Обслуживания)😉
nice ; as you can see people, not safety first here; working with gougounes; not safe at all !!
Why don't you use woodclamps and a proper bench????
exactly, and some real work boots! thank you, I was waiting for a smart comment.
I hate this. I just tried to do an oil change on a kia I just bought and now I have to go take it in because whoever tightened the plug on it last time did it so tight that I can't get it off no matter how hard I try. Without a lift I can't put a breaker bar under it so im screwed.
hammer is your friend
The FCA drain plugs are so simple to deal with. I've found a couple of plugs finger tight that didn't leak and didn't back off. You just need a gentle tug on the wrench after it bottoms out, as the soft gasket on the plug needs very little torque to create an oil tight seal.
If I guess do I get a new dewalt drill I didn't win from Eric o
bring it back to the shop and let them change the oil again..let them deal with this shit.
Fun, i'm going to guess 75 lbs.. And i just started the video so it is a true guess, no jumping a head....
Most Toyota lug nut torques are 76 ft*lbs, so I'm right there with ya! Torqued to 76 ft*lbs or thereabouts
Gotta get me some of those safety sandals🤣
They used impact 345ft lbs
same in the uk , best do it your self of find a good mechanic ,
How to change a motor oil pan cover on a 2019 challenger
Anyone ever rounded a plastic Toyota oil filter cartridge lid before? I did because the last person who changed the filter made it ridiculously tight. Even a breaker bar didn't work. I had to use a pneumatic hammer to break it open into millions of pieces and replace the god forsaken lid.
I had to use an impact gun to get it off one time. Another time after that i had to break another one off with a hammer and pick haha. Same customer both times, he didnt trust that we put it on tight enough so he would go home and tighten it himself with the power of thor and hulk combined. He just never learned haha.
@@Constipatedoverlord Ever since then, I always went straight for the breaker bar. I used to use a smaller wrench first, and that would round it from trying too many times. If I use the breaker bar first, I can get it right off the first try, preventing it from rounding. Nevee had a problem since.
... and that right there is why you do your own oil and filter.
Just tighten till it's tight, don't use a power tool. Jesus.
You moved to fast and I couldn't see if the threads were pulled. Also isn't there supposed to be a washer/seal of some kind on the bolt? I could never understand how a parts store would sell a filter without a new washer.
brainfreeze44131 Chrysler/jeep/dodge have a rubber seal built into the drain plug head. You can see it when he shows the bolt in the oil pan.
This is why people get mad when I tighten stuff 😂
Honestly I do not believe it was ever tightened that tight. My thoughts are the butt. Crack who was changing the oil was going the wrong way and instead of lefty loosey was going the opposite way
Was thinking the same
lol, 'can't get it to come off, oh well' while right turning it
I disagree. I see this daily as a Lube Tech at a Ford Dealership. I just recently had a car that went to Valvoline for their last oil change and the drain plug was so tight, Even double wrenching it didn't budge it. I had to use a long breaker bar to break the torque. I see it quite often from Valvoline and Jiffy Lube. They also like to destroy the lug nuts by hammering them on till they stop with an impact. With Ford lug nuts, when they get hammered it destroys the caps and the 19mm socket wont fit on them, and then if you use a 20 mm it can sometimes spin the caps on the actual lugnuts and make it worse. I have a special socket for distorted lugnuts that is 19.5mm and alot of times even that wont fit on them. So your only option is to hammer your 19mm socket on it and hope it corrects it enough for the 19.5mm socket to fit on it. but sometimes the cap just comes off and customers don't like that. When i tighten lugnuts i tap my Impact trigger once and then let the lugnut stop itself, then once i lower the vehicle on the ground i torque all the lugnuts to spec. That is the only way to not destroy the lugnuts on the newer ford and even some other makes. I love cars that i've serviced since brand new, I have 0 problems and my 19mm socket fits perfectly.
@@Zalagar619 to long!
I mean they probably overtorqued the shit out of it anyway because it's a shitty quick oil change company, but breakaway torque is definitely not the same thing as original tightening torque. Your breakaway torque force is always going to be higher than the tightening torque due to static friction and microburring from the bolt head. It's incorrect to check the torque on the bolt this way.
i guess they used a 8 ft pipe on top of the wrench to tighten it LOL what a buncha clueless savages.
could have taken it apart as you did here and welded the nut back?
No, nut was made of some softer metal I think.
Lmao at the comments on here but those jusus shoes are too funny
QI would to Fion tight. 100 ft. Pounds
I work at a vioc and this guy is full of it. Unless he went to one that was not corporate other wise we tighten it to 25 fp.
haha and who checks the actual torque?
My plug was over tightened and now it keeps spinning either way please help how do I remove it now?
William Maisonave get a new oil pan
After all that he like oh crap I was turning it the wrong way. Lmao
yes we used 2 impacts, thats why we get sued.
I get that it's fashionable to bang on quick lubes about how terrible they are at everything (even though the reputable ones stay in business by getting it right the vast majority of the time) but two videos to show how dumb someone was for over tightening a drain plug is a little unprofessional. What's the moral to the story? Always bring your vehicle to an ASE mechanic for a simple oil change? Most people don't have time for that and in most cases it would be unnecessary.
I was just experimenting with new video editing software...we'll get back to some hardcore case studies soon :)
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics I meant no disrespect. Just felt like you were still picking on them lol. Looking forward to the next case study :)
85ft lbs I would say Ivan
Just heat that bolt up and quala! 😅
I read some where that aluminum pans are suppose to be 20 to 25 ft/lb of torque. Steel pans require to 25 to 30 ft pounds. I just like to go a little over snug. Or a little over spec. I only trust needle torque wrenches. But they only come in real big sizes. And it's not a good idea to use something big to tighten a oil drain plug. You wont have much space. You will hit something if the car isn't really high off the ground. Another rule of thumb is just don't use excessive force. Remember, snug, snug. And you can turn it a little more after a snug. And just keep an eye on it from time to time to see if it's leaking. I actually worried that I over tighten it once, but I didn't.
I would buy new oil pan with plug.
Who works in a garage wearing sandals?
How about some fungi nail!
I purchased a car off an auction and the drain plug was warped, the head of the bolt was warped by an impact wrench. I put 100 or more pounds on it and it wouldn't come out, then my wrench started slipping a lot so i had to use an impact wrench to undo it.
....."Steel Toed Flip-Flops"!!!