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Miami Heat Lose Caleb Martin and Kel'el Ware Makes Summer League Debut
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- The Miami Heat lost Caleb Martin to the Philadelphia 76ers over the weekend. Did Martin make a mistake by turning down an extension offer? And where does this leave the Heat?
Wes Goldberg and David Ramil discuss Martin's departure, other free agent options and Kel'el Ware's Summer League debut.
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They’re undrafted guys…which means they’re a surplus of these guys…nobody has left the program and looked better after they left but best of luck to Caleb
Facts. Only one that has somewhat maintained value is Strus and even he hasn’t been that good
@@marqsmith3187 The Law of averages says that eventually a Heat development player will be good elsewhere and I think it's. Caleb. That's why the Heat mada a significant contract extension offer to try to keep him
Martin failed
@@javi10872006 Strus literally had a better year in CLE than his last season in MIA lol idiot
Excited for next season regardless to see Jaime and Jovic play with another season under their belt and to see how kelel ware fits
Jaime and Jovic are just gonna get better and better.
@@angelotorres334that’s what I’m saying I’ve been waiting since we got eliminated
@@angelotorres334 we better pray there isn’t a sophomore slump🙏
Me too!!!Pat Riley getting new stuff
Paul George is old
Yo I like Caleb as a ball player but my goodness people including lock on heat, Miami will be fine without him just like they were without max and Gabe
LMAO at thinking they were fine last season hahahaha the heat fucking suck
heavily agree with david on highsmith. having wing defenders is arguably the most important part of spos defense. i want u to imagine our wing defenders with both caleb and haywood gone. who’s gonna defend the wing. we have jimmy, bam and then who else. tyler? duncan? terry? niko? we literally have no one else to defend the wing
Heat needs to think ahead for the next two seasons. That should be the goal now. Whatever happens this season, this should be the last one with this specific trio. Start to shed salary. That way, they open up the cap and can attract big free agents. At the end money talks....not culture
We relying on Haywood 😂😂 this team is cooked
Not only do I think we have to sign Haywood, if we don’t go out and trade for a point of attack defender, we have to START Haywood.
We have to focus on how untenable the Terry/Tyler/Duncan guard situation is. We can’t have 3 of our 5 biggest contracts be guys that all basically fill the same role and struggle to play together.
It would be one thing if it results in some high-powered offense at the expense of defense, but our offense is trash. We’re not creating any advantage, and spending a lot to do it. UNTENABLE.
I feel like he wanted to be in a better situation. He seen what the sixers had while Miami still trying to figure it out
Ask Joel embide when was the last he's been in the finals..
Let's ask Buckets how many times he's gonna lose a finals? Answer before this yr, Tatum and Brown never won....so, let's go 6ers!
@@paulgurley719 yeah but know you have Paul George
He tired of position less basketball 🏀
Because Caleb knew the Heat would be trying to include him in a trade for a star player. He'd prefer to choose where he wanted to play, and he gets to be a starter
I find that extremely hard to believe.
Who’s he gonna start over 💀
Here you go again bending over backwards to suit your agenda. No basis in reality.
@@seanquinn4787, Then don't believe it
@@Zayy_ontop, He's going to be starting at PF in Phily
The real problem is tyler herro being that $30m albatross. He has to re-earn that money like duncan did.
18 points 8 rebounds 8 asts is the perfect stat line for Herro. He doesn't even have to live up to that luka and trae comment., but he does need to get that 6th man award... at the very least.
I was saying that before lol he is over paid wayy too much
I get the 18pts but 8 rebounds and 8 assists is basically rare. Only players I can think on top of my head that have those stat line are Jokic and Luka.
It’s simple.. bro gets to start and he feels like he’d be better off with the 6ers with the addition of pg
Ima skip on watching this team struggle to score 90 this season, I’m done. GL yall 👋🏽
The talk last summer of not wanting to include Caleb in a trade for Lillard looks even more puzzling now.
Man, ya'll will never learn to stop overrating these role players. The Heat got lucky he didn't take that first offer because that was AWFUL!
Thank you and Good Luck to Caleb but the Heat are not missing anything.
Why not make a move and cut some of this salary already?
It was a beyond fair offer to Caleb, horrible overpay by Miami so I'm glad we dodged the bullet
I think you guys have it a little wrong. if he opted into his contract and signed the extension, then I think his cap is less and then the miami heat also can plan around that. By the time he came back, they couldn't offer him extension money and matching the contract that Philly paid would put them over the second apron. So now all they could do was offer mid-level taxpayers exception Which is like 5.6 per year. So all around complete fumbling of the bag
Philly is got old George and Joel has injuries and now martin stuck for years
Hero to Nuggets and Jimmy to Grizzlies
For who
You have a good team dont worry about top 4 you want to at least 6 top 6 and you have the players to do this.
You have jimmy buckets ,bam duncan, terry rozier kevin love thats a good starting 5 plus jamie he's only going to get better, jovic,jj,you might need one draft pick or 2
No Panglossian…heat very high salary…. Getting worse on the court…. Just have to enjoy what moments there are next season without playoff expectations
Wes that was a good one . j cole could not take the pressure 💯😁
Ware's IU teammates called him mini-Wimby
Must go all in for Ingram now 🤷🏾♂️
What is "all in" Jimmy is probably gone next season or sooner...why trade all the upside young guys for B.I who is looking for the max as well🤔
@@Miles_305 Caleb gone for less ,lost derozan
Help me understand why y’all trust Pat Riley y’all live in the past he got Shaquille O’Neal. He got the big three after that. Nothing actually Dwyane Wade did all that.
Hilarious! If you think LeBron came to the Heat just because of Wade I don't know what to tell you. Also, Miami is the only expansion team from the 80s to win a Chip. Also, the only organization other than the Spurs, Warriors, and Lakers to have multiple chips in the last 2 decades.
Best bet is trade Jimmy for picks and rebuild young
Herro Duncan Jaimie jovic bam and ware probably trade rozier to a team mid season to get a pick also
You can't trade a max contract for picks... Why is that so hard to understand?
@@Wilcorankingyou can if the team has the cap space to absorb it
@@pv2639 🥺.. [sigh]... Teams can't take in more money in a trade than they are sending out
Teams over the 1st apron can only match salaries 100% of the money they are sending out. Teams under the apron can go as high as 125%.
Teams can't aggregate salaries....
That's the CBA.
Horrible idea
Heard podcast
Very good
You were on point on ware huge upside in my pov would be steal if he can get 12 pounds of muscle and hit threes on a good percentage bam at the 4 big time jovic at 3 would be great play different game
If that was true, Caleb would've signed a 1 year deal and went back into Free Agency next off season.... It makes no sense
Ware is not very fluid and looked sluggish at times.
Caleb fumbled the bag and Philly got a steal
@steve_santiago Caleb join a better team with a chance to actually win a championship, be a starter, and receive other incentives and perks that can come his way from being in that situation
He can sign an extension after the 3rd year, which could increase his salary amount in the 4th year and beyond.
In addition, the Heat would've most certainly include him and his new higher salary in a trade for a star or better player had he signed that extension with the Heat.
He wanted to control where he plays and bet on himself again to get a bigger extension in 3 years as a starter
Should the Heat try to get DFS, Cam, and/or Schroder from the Nets? Any or all 3 would be nice and fill in a lot of holes on the team 🔥
So disappointing , that Hassan Whiteside was not mentioned once ! I watched the Summer league game and immediately after seeing Ware shot blocking , Hassan Whiteside came to mind . My God , the kid is quick twitch , he resets his feet fast and leaps fast , he takes terrific angles . I wouldn't be surprised if Ware , like Hassan , have multiple games with ten or more block shots .
So, I expect major changes next year..clearly they running it back this year. The notable free agents in Summer 2025 are:
1. Derrick White
2. Alex Caruso
3. Kyrie Irving
4. Jamal Murray
5. Rudy Gobert
6. Naz Reid
7. Jalen Brunson
8. Jayli Williams
9. Lauri Markkanen
10. Jimmy Butler
Yeah 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
liting ppl who signed extensions already and others who are restricted free agents lmao typical dumb shit heat fans. No one is coming to play on that shit team
I watched all but 2 of Ware's games at IU. He did look sluggish and lacked hustle a few times. Kelel is somewhat timid at the start of hit higher level of play. In time the coaches will bring Ware along and he can be a great player
Blessed 😊
This is the reason why NBA teams treat players the way they do it’s no loyalty on both sides the Miami he gave him a chance he turned his back
If I was Jimmy Butler, I’m out next year
bigger pay day, but won't be in the playoffs. think he just wanted to be on a winning situation
Caleb is smart… he gets to play with:
*Embiid who is much better than Bam
*Maxey who is better than Rozier
*PG13 who is better than Jimmy in the regular season
Herro is the only player better than Oubre & who is the Heat’s 4? Jovic?
Heat will be in the play-in & Sixers will be the 2nd or 3rd seed. He got the $ and a better team. Happy for him & sad as the Heat continue to get left in the dust
Hey @Mac2Fag
Embiid injuries prone and has never passed the 2nd round of the playoffs
Paul George injuries prone and has never been in the NBA finals
Maxey is a poor man Allen Iverson
philly ain't winning shit with caleb martin
You forgot the part where the 76ers don't make it past the 2nd round🤨....likely due to Embiid and PG being injured as is historically been the case😐
@@Miles_305 notice I NEVER said champions?.. I said a “2nd or 3rd seed” while the Heat are in the play-in… also you must have forgotten the Heat have been nothing without Jimmy putting on his super hero cape? That guy is about to be 35, that cape ain’t cape-ing no more
C. Martin chose what he saw as a better vibe or team to play for in Philly! Sixers are the threat in the East vs Celtics now. Sixers are considering another move for either Highsmith, Finney-Smith, Achiuwa, KJ Martin, K. Lowry, etc.. C. Martin is a Cog (starter) in the wheel to the direction of this squad ! N Nurse' coaching schemes are based on Switchable Wing players with a big time center/player!
Joke all injury prone ,bam is king sixers stink old players ,but good one is only maxey
Ware, Bam, Jovic/JJJ, Jimmy, Terry. Tyler is coming off the bench
7th seed 😂
I’m frustrated with the same formula of Pat Riley. He keeps running it back while losing core players. They keep acquiring these veteran role players that fixes nothing. Can’t sign a big name to save their lives. It’s like trying to make the same cake with lesser and lesser quality ingredients. At this point it’s just sad seeing Pat and the Heat front office regressing worse than Joe Biden’s cognitive memory!!! Pat needs to go at this point. This team gives you no real hope to contend.
This season is gonna suck really bad
Jimmys gonna get him to jump during practice so many times he’s gonna learn quick ware gonna be great
Heat haven’t had a point general since Tim Hardaway
It’s summer league….
Duncan leaving,highsmith,pat Riley getting money trade and posted will get a new 14 player total.Martin played bad last year so he failed at everything,and there's no point sixers don't have a big future.Heat and Boston will advance.He took less money.Lets get markkinn,now pat got money and martin always got sick when heat traveled,good luck sucking snow,it's cold as hell in philly.
They lost redundancy that's whst
Ware reminds me of Hassan. Chasing blocks and doesn’t hustle.
I need to buy Caleb’s agent a drink because Jesus Christ did he save Miami from itself? Five years?!!! For Caleb Martin?!! Have they learned nothing from their mistakes??
Trade Jimmy Buckets 🪣 for young players and drafts picks👍
No wonder the Heat need to save his career before. Super stupid agent by Caleb. Always overplaying their cards. He lost a lot. And he will not be the next guy there. tsk
Caleb Martin played like a bum last year that’s why no one wanted to pay him he played his worst on a contract year
Absolutely
Martin stinks
Can't take anything Heat fans say for their word... You guys struggle to fill up the stadium even for playoff games lol
Pula reed?
Yeah get Paul Reed good
Lowery still on the market.He still got us in finals and jimmys friend
Stop it.
Sadiiq bey and Fultz or Dennis smith jr….go get em!
With no state income tax in florida he would have made more, That 8 mill in philly will be 3 after taxes and his agent fees. In miami that 7 would have been 4.5 to 5. These agents leading these player wrong is inexcusable. That knew the new cba.
@@jaya6329 Caleb join a better team with a chance to actually win a championship, be a starter and receive other incentives and perks that can come his way from being in that situation. He can sign an extension after the 3rd year, which could increase his salary amount in the 4th year and beyond.
In addition, the Heat would've most certainly include him and his new higher salary in a trade for a star or better player had he signed that extension with the Heat. He wanted to control where he plays and bet on himself again to get a bigger extension in 3 years as a starter
@shawncain882 I know his plan. It's a bad based on if they win a chip. He's going to be 34 or 35 at the end of his current contract. The chance of him as a role player getting another deal then is low. The idea of a role player chasing rings is foolish. Also if miami wanted to trade him they would have done so after last years playoff run.
For him to have gone from out of the league to 60 mil contract at 30 would have been huge and probably the best he could hope for as a professional.
Hope he is good with his money since he is going to net 10 to 12 mil at the end of his Philly deal. With bills a home and regular expenditures it's could be far less.
He's coming off two leg injuries at 30 as a role player that depends on his athleticism. And his plan is to bet on himself getting another big long term deal at 34. Check around the league at how many 34 year old role players are getting big deals. The only Two are kcp and holiday both helped multiple teams win chip while being arguably to 20 players at their position in the league. He ain't that.
@@jaya6329 , Nah, you nor nobody else can determine what's best for his career/life. He's has already made and will continue to make good money playing basketball. He's good regardless
@@shawncain882 nobody can say whether hes good but then you do just that.Haha.Do you know how many pros end up dead broke after they finish playing. Im saying what his best financial path would have been. That is easy to do. Plenty of data to pull from. He is easily giving up 20 -30 million dollar he might not ever be able to get again. He was already out of the league at one point. So if anyone would have understood maximizing your earnings while you can it should have been. Hope he does well. Statistics say he is making a mistake financially.
How is ANY Heat fan supposed to be EXCITED about the upcoming season?
Well first time any one in a heat jersey gets 5 blocks since whitside so that is a bright side
By being a fan? idk i been excited about every season since '88
By being able to analyze, get information and be logical not emotional
Part of being a sports fan man, you don’t just stop liking your team
This team hasn't had a long off season in a looong time. There's something to be said about getting burned out physically and focusing on recovery. The two things the Heat need are health and improvement.
If the young guys improve as scheduled and if key players can be relatively healthy, this team isn't as weak as the majority of the fanbase thinks.
No let heywood go he sucks
These guys stank heat gonna suck this year
They got destroyed in that Summer League game BUT they could bounce back it's too soon to tell👀
Bam and butler are still champions,bozos
@@robinshaul4069champions of what..? They’re 0-2 in the finals.
@@robinshaul4069 what chip did I miss them getting?
Just gut the team already. Pat Riley needs to retire. We need to stop running it back. There’s no quality team left to run back with. We lost all those past core players. Heat can’t sign a star to save their lives. Pat continues to sign veteran role players that addresses nothing. Just gut the team and start over.
This Heat summer roster sucks. This Heat regular season roster sucks.
Who cares, the Heat players were trash last season anyway and cant even gut this team because nobody wants them😅😅😅
Alec Burk is a dog,terry is good,hero can still get it in ,love is good .Pat Riley gonna get one more,and we have the new center, Spanish guy is good
@@robinshaul4069cope
GO Sixers
Ok,where's the cane in a few years,grandpa will be in town with donuts Morey
Donuts Morey,all old on his team
@@robinshaul4069 lol.. you must a be a Heat fan...Right? Do you really want me to cook or embarrass you here? Your squad starting to look Trashy. Man the Life boats ! Can you say Rebuild ! Nobody wants the big $$ Hero contract .. Can you say stuck! Don't start with me ...I am not the one . I have watched your Heat squad the first game when the started in the NBA . I saw Pat Riley when he played as a guard for the Lakers.. I will be nice to you today after your old players comments because you have not seen the new Sixers squad.. C.Martin is how old? 28 , Embiid is 30, Maxey is 23, Oubre is 28, PG is 34 , KJ Martin is 23, Adem Bona @20, Jared McCains is @21, R. Council IV is 22. Drummand is 30.. What are you talking about? Only older player is Lowry @ 38.. Really? All teams need seasoned or older vets ! Helps out the culture & direction in the NBA! Ask Udonis Haslem.. lol..
Let’s be real he played himself. He fail deal with the consequences.