Are PCIe SSDs Worth It? 🤔 - HDD VS SATA VS NVMe!
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2018
- Are NVMe PCIE SSDs worth it? We've installed three drives, and have tested Boot times, Load times and Gaming to analyse performance of PCIE SSDs vs SATA SSDs vs hard drives!
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When I built my gaming PC, I went with a NVMe boot drive + a couple games, and stuck with a 7200 HDD for the rest of my files/games. Couldn't be happier, I'll never go back to a spinnie boi for the OS
speedy boi
Unless you need a ton of storage, for video editing, photo editing, or gaming then there is really little need to have hdd's anymore, considering how cheap SSD's have gotten. A 1tb SSD can be found for under 150 bucks now which is large enough to suit the majority of pc consumers needs.
@Keelan keep the spinnie around for mirroring, ssds have a best before date and it is usually around 5 years. You want to make sure you have a recent backup when that happens. This is something most people are oblivious to...
I couldnt only choose one so I took a M.2 NVME, a Samsung SSD and finally a hybrid SSHD drive for the rest stuff :D
@@SteelRhinoXpress depends, i have over 6TB+ worth of games in my steam library alone. i have have a 8x3TB raid10 setup(over 5 years old now) for my library with random 6TB+8TB HDDs for backup. the last 8TB HD i bought was still 75% the price of the cheapest 2TB SSD... with games like gears of war 4 that are 130GB, doesn't take long to fill up a 1TB drive... probably fit 6 GoW4 on a single 1TB, thats around $25USD for storage of one single game... storage costs more than the games on sale, $10CAD... lol
Enough torque. Let‘s talk about performance.
If you're building a PC in 2021 I recommend putting a 1TB NVMe drive in there for your OS and games. Windows 11 will be using DirectStorage which will remove the buffer between the SSD and CPU. This is where having a fast drive like NVMe will help speed up load times and asset loading even more. It's a no brainer really.
From other tests I've seen, the answer to "Is NVME worth it" is :
(i) Yes if you're comparing with any other kind of mechanical HD, massively so.
(ii) Yes if you routinely copy or move very large files around
(iii) No if you're comparing with SATA SSDs.
(iv) No if NVME is more expensive than SATA.
This seems correct
NVME is better than SATA SSDs. He just said that it's not immediately worth upgrading. NVME drives are moderately more expensive than SSDs now.
bleh. they cost like 10% extra over a SATA. way worth it for NVMe. When you error check your 1TB SSD and it takes like 1.5 hours, you'll be smacking yourself for not spending that 10% extra.
dont forget practicality. You cannot quickly get to those drives, so they good for OS, but I keep my video, music docs on a ssd.
@@Hugh_Mungus_Johnson He likely meant with respect to game-load times, which have virtually no difference when comparing SATA SSDs and NVMe SSDs.
This is exactly the kind of video I was looking for. Thanks!
Yes, I am considering getting an NVME drive for my next PC build out, as it takes less space and the prices for them are slowly becoming economical enough to want to use them. Thanks for the video, as that topic was something I was wondering about, but never got around to checking out.
Good straight forward info without any fluff. I like it!
This isn't very fair to NVMe, as the drive you chose was only X2 (B and M key). The M key only drives tend to be X4 and can be faster.
Considering that this video is more of an ad for Kingston SSDs, I'm not surprised at the oversight.
He did mention it is a budget NVMe.
MATS0ZETEX a proper nvme SSD should achieve reads of 2K MB/s which is definitely noticeable
@MATS0ZETEX A budget NVMe can be just barely more expensive than a SATA SSD
The point of budget NVMe, and SATA M.2 is not greater transfer speed, it's the smaller form factor. If there is not a lot of space, or you don't want the cables, or don't have the SATA ports available, then M.2 is a great option and very much worth the cost. But if you are only interested in speed, it is an unfair comparison to limit one of the interfaces being tested.
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but high quality video - subbed
Your videos have now officially become slick af well done brother
How kind of you!
The production quality of your videos are second to none man! Keep em coming
I wanna get an NVMe but it would be usless on ps4 external usage
Love the Transistor wallpaper. It's been a while since I've played it, but I love the soundtrack.
My first laptop with NVMe SSD was back in 2013. It took a long while for it to get popular, but nowadays it is a must. Good to see how better things got!
The literal only reason why these things are getting more necessary... ironic enough, is because of consoles. We have had ssd forever on pc, but developers never developed with it in mind....... Now that they do for console, its the only reason why its a must on pc to have a fast non sata ssd. Funny how this works.
Def gonna get a 500 or 1tb nvme/m.2 drive when I upgrade this year.
oohh love those 600s B&W, have been waiting a while to see someone else using that on youtube!
It appears that NVMe SSD prices have been plummeting of late, and though more costly than their SATA counterparts, have been narrowing the gap considerably, making the decision to take the plunge quite a bit easier. As for those puzzling load times, my guess is that for those games whose load times were similar between all three devices, it's due to them having already been loaded into the hard drive's large cache. Maybe try loading something that's never been loaded before?
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For anybody who doesn't know what a non volatile drive is, it basically means that the storage isnt temporary, like ram/ram drives for example, every time you shut your computer down, the ram and/or ram drive resets all of its data after a restart or shutdown.
Correct me if im wrong
Cool vid and informative. Can you you tell me where you got those speaker stands from?
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btw, happy subscriber / notified person over here on the other side of the pond :) Always like to see what you have on deck my friend. Great review and really appreciate the reviews in 4k. Most people have 4k capable rigs now anyway, and even if they don't, they can always step down a few settings to accommodate what their rigs can do, and everybody's happy. Good review and coverage. Your camera focus was spot on and the voice clarity was super crisp. Well done mate !!
I realize you put this out last November, but I must have missed this review. I built my rig about a year and a half ago. I would consider it to be in the low end of the top tier for performance. I chose to;
- get a decent gaming mobo; Asus z370-e ROG Strix ****CHOSE THIS ONE FOR FUTURE PROOFING [UPPING TO AN M.2 SSD IN NEAR FUTURE]
- a high end cpu [at the time]; Intel i7 8700K 6 core [overclockable]
- a decent graphics card; Asus Strix 2060 6g RTX
- ram; 16g of DDR4 Corsair XMP
I brought over my Samsung SSD 500g 850 evo to use as my C drive, reformatted it and did a fresh install of win10. I also brought over my various HDD's that I use for storage and older backups.
Canada Computer had the new Samsung M.2 NVMe 960 Pro SSD's in stock one day when I was browsing and I immediately got weak-kneed as soon as I laid eyes on em ;) , and I ended up buying a 512g stick.. . . . . . .
WOW, did that thing ever FLLLLLYYY :0 !!!!! Had it for about a month until I came across a vid on YT from a dude called VORTEZ about how he did a raid0 array with a pair of 1tb's. As soon I heard him RRRRAVING about it ???.....well, the only thing I could say to that was "TAKE MY MONEY". And off to Canada Computers I went.
He produced a really helpful video on how to set it up and it worked, but because each bios is setup differently, terms, locations, etc were not the same. But with a little searching around, I found what I was looking for and got it up and running. Once my Win10 was up to date and vid card drivers installed. I had a 14.3 second boot time from POST to win10 desktop !!!! [Even after having some background apps to load] !!!!
All I gotta say is everything loads so fast it almost loads before I even take my finger off the mouse button LULZ.
I'm sure nobody even reads this article now since its 6 months old. But in case anyone does, and is still on the fence as to whether to pull the trigger on one or even go for broke and get 2 for a raid0 array, trust me my dudes, you will NOT regret it !! :)
Very helpful video. Thanks!
Great video! Keep it up bro!
Nice video. Clean & informative. Relaxing vibes, and English accent.
Peripheral Component Interconnect Express, Non Volatile Memory Express. So it's Express Express. Must be fast.
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Love the vids as always bro
For a new build I was seriously considering two NVme 480GB drives rather than the SSD/HDD combo I have at present. Your video may have convinced me that would be a good way forward, thank you.
Don’t know if you already bought it or not. But the Samsung 970 evo plus(1TB NVMe) is insanely fast and is about the price of two drives you mentioned. I would strongly suggest going with that.
For me it is worth it since I use a laptop, had the open slot for NVMe. Fully powered down to login is 12seconds
how did you do that
Yes after reading about them, and videos like this I will update in the future to the PCI drive as my new motherboard (when it arrives) supports the format.
Which camera are you using for recording this video? Quality is very good.
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Found an even better track for today's video 🔥
@@PcCentric ohh yess
I intend to get the 970 evo 1tb with an 860 evo 1tb. Additionally it appears that some games rely on frame time loading, in some games including older ones like Skyrim increasing the frame times in loading screens will make the game load faster. This is however particularly noticable when your game is heavily modded.
I recently did an upgrade to my gaming laptop and replaced my 1TB HDD as the boot drive with a Samsung 500GB 970 EVO NVMe and was floored with the difference. From close to 2 minutes from button push to usable state to around 20 seconds. I have now moved the HDD to mass storage for pics, videos, etc. and have the NVMe for boot and games. Also made a big difference in my games loading times as well. Again as stated in the video the difference was more so in some than in others but still a noticeable difference. My upgrade was timed with Black Friday sales here in the states and got my NVMe for what I was told was a really good price. To me it was a well timed and needed upgrade for my laptop. Thinking of getting another NVMe to further supplement storage for gaming.
What camera do you use for filiming? quality is great!
I've updated my system with the M.2 (NVME) 500GB from Western Digital. The install took a bit more effort than just plugging an SSD drive. Also found that the ease or difficulties of configuring your motherboard for the M.2 drive varies wildly. Still it does provide a better result. I have also tried the Crucial product however the first drive I got was DOA, sent it back and got a replacement. The second one did work but then a week later it corrupted itself (Must a feature for bad techs) So I ended up with the Wester Digital, no problems. and it does speed up everything.
Yep, I went with an NVME PCIe SSD for my recent PC build. Since it was solely for gaming in a mini-ITX case and for playing only a few games, I just wanted the best performance I could get at the time. The much higher $/GB trade-off was fine for me. If the machine was going to my main machine, then I'd probably have gone with SATA for the increased storage, convenience and lower $/GB cost.
I was a bit worried that your cat would be cleaning its balls through the whole video. Sweet cat though, keep up the good work!
keep up the good work.your channel is growing fast.do some giveaways to accelerate that
I recently upgraded my Phenom Quad Core based system, where the boot drive was an IDE spinning drive. It literally took about 7 minutes from power on to boot into Windows and become usable. I took advantage of Black Friday to get some bargain purchases and upgrade to a Ryzen 5 2600x with a Samsung EVO 960 NVME SSD. From power on I can be in Windows in about 20 seconds, including post and login, and windows is completely usable. From 7 minutes to 20 seconds!! In my case NVME was well worth every penny!!
Just built a new PC on an Asus ROG board with an i7-9700 cpu and a Samsung 970 Evo 1TB NVMe boot drive. 3~4 seconds from end of POST to Windows 10 desktop. Whee!
@@mjordan812 - The difference is literally night and day, right? I could never go back to a spinning platter boot drive even if you paid me!!
@@kevinlynch8614 i have a quad core phenom from 2011 and it takes forever to show w7
@@reneernesto5748 - I feel your pain!! If you get the chance to upgrade your system in the near future you'll be amazed at the difference in performance. The Phenom is an ancient CPU by today's standards, you won't regret the upgrade at all!!
@@kevinlynch8614 i remember back in the days it was as fast as the flash...
"HDD vs SATA" u wot m8
hahaha
@Steven Lang Both can be SATA. It's a type of standard.
In fact, 80 of users don't need it and only see an advantage in boot times. Thirty seconds vs 15 seconds. Big deal.
@@pramitkhanna7163 it was a joke m8
@@idontexist7305 not funny actually, this video is filled with so much misinformation that it could be a parody.
Bought a Samsung 950pro in 2017 and, after installing it in my mobo never looked back. It uses 4 pci express lanes and it's unbelievably fast.
my last hdd laptop took over a minute to load into user screen, now my new NVMe laptop took around 8sec.
guess the world is moving so fast that we would never want to revisit the past.
The nvme pcie adapter works is compatible with m.2 ssd?
Thank you for interesting comparison, can you tell what model of speakers you have on your desk?
Bowers and Wilkins 685 S2
already have and installed it last weekend :D
I use NVME drives as scratch drives for my OS. I switch between Windows an Linux a lot and have both drives mounted on a DIMM.2 slot for easy access. Local storage is handled by a 1tb SSD. I have traditional HDDs in my home NAS for backup.
Last November when I built my first computer I decided to go with the latest hardware. I used a Samsung 960 M.2 SSD with 500GB for my OS. Today I'm upgrading to a Samsung 970 with 1TB of storage. Fortunately, my motherboard is an MSI SLI Pro which holds two M.2 drives with the option to run them in RAID. These are getting surprisingly cheaper than expected.
I got one last year. The gaming performance is not huge but definitely better than SATA. The other advantage is the small form factor which consumes less space and power from your computer. I would definitely recommend it!
Good video!!
0:50 I like your ASUS Prime B350 Plus motherboard good choice, Same one I bought for my Ryzen 1700 at launch. So rocking it today, Recently downgrading the bios to 5204 to retain my PCIe 4.0 for my RX 6800 with my 3900x. Works great :)
Already have one as a boot drive in my workstation as well as two additional sata type m.2 drives. Not really necessary but it is very nice for loading software. Ive noticed that visual studio opens much faster now as well as a handful of other development software I use. I didn't really research software that specifically takes advantage of it but I do know my OS loads pretty quick and some games do as well.
I bought a Asus VivoPC VC66 about a year ago. They obviously scrimped on the HDD which was a standard SATA disk. It had issues when windows update was running where the PC was not usable due to 100% HDD and CPU usage. Once I installed a Samsung 960 and cloned the system over my issues went away and the PC has been working flawlessly. Boot times are short and it turns off in about a second. It was well worth it to upgrade for me.
depends on what you do on your computer. 7200rpm HDD is actually more than enough if you switch off all the startup programs in task mgr and regularly defrag the drive. your pc shoot boot into desktop in less than 30 seconds on windows 10.
You can get used to it, but in general, compared to my a400, it feels sluggish and unresponsive.
Were did you get that desktop background on your computer?
So unless you are doing file transferring or working on large projects, the much cheaper M.2 SSD's should be the device of choice over NVME for gamers?
What speakers are you using? They look very nice. I bet they sound great.
B&W 685 S2 along with an Marantz PM6006 Integrated Amplifier.
Speakers: www.bestbuy.com/site/bowers-wilkins-600-series-685-s2-6-1-2-2-way-loudspeakers-pair-black/4827037.p?skuId=4827037
Amp: www.amazon.com/Marantz-Hi-Fi-Integrated-Amplifier-PM6006/dp/B01FWM4A0G
Honestly can't find the speakers for sale anywhere, sorry.
Great video, love your cat!!
Love your videos amazing,keep them coming .
I’m trying to build a new pc with only m.2 for game and app storages what you you recommend and I’m thinking of three for a total of 3tbs and can it be done? What motherboard would you recommend? Thank you in advance.
Check your motherboard specs but most high to mid range motherboards only have two M.2 slots
Okay that’s great, but will this bottle neck or cause problems or is it safe and a great idea lolol
What’s the music in the beginning?
Warm nights
Garbo Fire
do you really keep your cat on the desk like that ? XD
I think you brushed past one of the most important parts of this issue near the beginning. In order for these drive to do their thing, you need PCIe lanes on the mobo bus to make it go. One of the most compelling reasons to buy m.2 drive, IMO, is when making compact ITX rigs. I am not sure what the state of PCIe lanes is on these types of mobos (acknowledging the fact that they will all have slightly different specs), and it would have been nice to get a sort of summary on the current lay of the land in that regard. Specifically: With motherboards that are only made to have one PCIe slot that typically runs on x16, are you dropping that down to x8 when you plug an NVMe drive in? I have seen some older mobo configs that do this. I would hope at this point mobo manufacturers are building in some overhead to accommodate for these drives without cutting GPU lanes.
So wait can i just use the nvme or do i have to use nmve and a hard drive??
Something else to remember is the drive is not always going to be the decider. My motherboard supports NVMe M.2 drives but the dedicated slot is only PCIe Gen2 x2, meaning I will never see the most of what the Samsung 960 EVO can do.
Since learning of the PCIe NVME SSD's have been craving for one, but as you say, unless you are doing a new build or actually need more storage will hold off, as my 2.5" SATA SSD's are already owned and I am still in awe of the improved performance over the hot spinning HDD's.... Will make the move when the need arises... Power outages are abundant here and on my fourth motherboard in as many years, so it's just a matter of time... Three systems, one to run, one for backup and one to swap parts to troubleshoot/analyze one that takes a hit...
Great video, thank you.
Managed to bag a 1TB 970 evo (NVMe) for £175 on Amazon's Black Friday, so it's worth it for me. The one thing that nobody talks about is how bloody loud mechanical drives are
Wait until it starts to click. Rotation and clicking.
Hello. I could buy the same GB-size SSD or NVMe M.2 at the same price from my local dealer. So should I just go and take the NVMe of course?
I have a couple AHCI SSD blades. Would it make sense to change them out for NVME ones??
There's a huge difference in DAW applications. Loading of big and heavy samplers, and multitrack recording/playback. Regarding games, I don't know. But in the audio world, writing and reading speeds are fundamental.
The difference is night and day. My unoptimized ubuntu setup with all of work environment apps, servers etc which takes 7 minutes from bootloader to desktop now it takes 22 seconds, that is more than 2500% improvement.. and apps load instantly, which is something I require as I can be diverted easily.. I feel more productive now..
However, suspend/sleep is broken on ubuntu 18.04 with the nvme drive.. though, it is fixable by substituting the sleep inducing mechanics to hibernate instead, the time it takes to sleep is identical to hibernating to ssd. Also, hibernating also saves battery life and avoid warm bag issue.
Now I regret all my wasted hours in previous months patiently waiting for the bottleneck instead of doing useful work..
Also that particular M.2 drive is a B+M keyed device meaning that it's only 2X max speed (1000 MB/s)
The faster modern ones are the M keyed devices, 4X (2000 MB/s)
new ones are touching 3500mbps, i think that'd be a fairer comparison
Getting rid of most cables is awesome, my favorite part about M.2 NVMe although the speed is nice. I have been using a VMultra drive (upgraded to an internal SSD and blu-ray drive) both as a USB 3 hub and external storage and a reason to never install an optical drive in an actual PC ever again.
Not having cables isn't exclusive to NVMe drives. SATA SSDs can also be like that. It's all about the form factor. Typically, consumer NVMe SSDs come in the M.2 form factor, and that's why there are no cables. However, SATA SSDs can also come in the M.2 form factor, meaning that those, too, don't have cables. The SSDs that require cables are the 2.5-inch form factors. SATA SSDs can be found in either 2.5 or M.2.
I could see myself using a PCIE SSD 250 as a boot drive but for everything else I would use the SATA SSD 1TB.
It doesn't even boot that much faster, no point
Jack Tran it’s really only useful for creators with 4K+ footage that they need to transfer. I think it also helps with smoother playbacks in editing but don’t quote me
Awesome video thanx .
Thanks for your video
Installed the samsung evo 500gb nvme ssd on my pc and I absolutely love it. Boots up in seconds, loads in seconds, its amazing best upgrade Ive ever done.
Do you only use it for a boot drive?
@@brendanlucero8585 you have to store your games on it too
seems like somthing ppl would forget to remove when throwing away PC or trading them in.
watch the temps when transferring a large file, They tend to get toasty, you could be getting thermal throttled without getting a heatsink for it. I did with my 2 drives and after getting a heatsink it sustained speeds for much longer
Can you do gaming testing for framerate/frametime/stability/temps with SATA SSD and PCIE/NVME SSD? Because they use PCIE lanes.
I use a 960 evo 250gig for my OS. 15-18 second load time. I have a Micron 2 terabyte ssd for game storage.
Everything is faster now.
I bought an inland 256gb NVMe for os and it's the fastest thing I ever had. SATA III SSD drive 1tb could be used for games
What would be better for a gaming pc? get like a 2TB m.2 ssd for bootdrive/os AND games or should i get like a 256gb m.2 for boot/os and a hardrive for games? pls help!!
How did you do that 35 second boot time? My 6 year old Dell laptop with in i7 2670HQ boots into desktop under 13 seconds with the A400 and it is not even a fresh install now.
With my new PC i just built i got a 2 TB NvMe drive for a boot drive plus games and a 4 TB mechanical drive for other storage.
WHATS YOUR BACKGROUND, the moving transistor one?
yes correct, the 970 Evo Plus has write speeds of almost 3000 and cloning the older drive on it took just under 15 min, no the speed didnt drop put actually increased by the end.
So should I get my PC a Corsair MP300 240 Gb nvme pcle SSD to go along with my 1 TB HDD
The small form-factor make NVMe drives very appealing but the fact that I was required to sacrifice three sata ports on my MB to install it, made the virtually unnoticeable speed increase hardly worth the expense. Some applications may justify the upgrade but none that I use.
"but enough talk... HAVE AT YOU!"
Something you forgot to mention, witch might be the middle road between M2 gen3 and Sata ssd is Sata SSD in raid. This is where you get the price of the SSD's, but almost the speed of the m2 gen 3.
Something like 3 500 gb SSD's in raid will give you read 1500 mbs write 1500 mbs.
Is it good to use more than one or is one nvme drive fine and then you can use either a sata drive or hdd.
my question is on a Z390 board with 24 pcie lanes, would using 2-4x pcie lanes for your M.2 nvme drive take away from GPU performance when running 2x SLI/NVLink etc? I don't think a z390 can run full 2 x 16xpcie3.0. I think it actually runs 2 x 8x pcie 3.0 giving you 16+8 left over for other things, but if you only have 24 pcie lanes, dont you want them all to go to your GPUs in an SLI/NVLink configuration?
I went with the Crucial MX500 (SATA) even though I could have gotten an HP EX920 (NVMe) for $2 more. The numbers look better on paper regarding the EX920's speeds, but I never move big files, ever! So I went with the extremely reliable and performance rated MX500. My PC already boots from a 240GB SSD. Also, this was just an upgrade to a PC built-in 2016. I figured I'd wait for Gen4 and then build a new PC with an NVMe.
Hey, I have been facing problem of artifacts patch on random areas of screen some times while gaming sometimes not, also a full screen artifacts (also caps not working ie stuck but cpu fans running). But after I restart PC it gets backs to normal, so wanted some help in finding what is the solution to this issue.
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Would I buy one? Of course, they are six (6) times faster than SSDs. So, the tiers (for example) of memory (oitside CPU caches) ... NVME M2 (2TB), 4TB SSD, 10TB HDD ... or somethimg similar.
love the animated transistor wallpaper
i bought the 970 evo nvme a couple of days ago, am planning to switch my current ssd so i can use the 970 evo as my OS/ c-drive, use a 860 as back-up and the current one as a cache for my game storage HDD
Same price right now. I'd get it for a fresh build but not really worth switching over to atm
Hello all, not too experienced with computers so here goes my question. I currently have a gaming pc with just a hdd (2tb) and want to upgrade to an ssd. Will it make sense/difference if I upgrade to a m.2 ssd for the windows, and an ssd to store my games? Or should I put both (game and os) in the same spot? I read that my pc can't get more than a 250 gb m.2 ssd so I was looking ti get that. Thank you!
Is this PCI adapter included? I dont have nvma slot on my board.
so uh whats that sound system youre rockin my dude
Yup I am so using m.2 ssd for my new gaming PC. Will get a 1tb.