Jesus fed 5000 people with two pieces of bread but does nothing to help the millions of people today that are starving he doesn't even help his so call people Israel who are at war
I have been informed by a former Christian turned skeptical/atheistic UA-camr who labels himself with the appellative Paulogia. In one of his interviews, he introduced me to an impeccable analogy in relation to the dependableness of evidence: "Would I take the evidence to be compelling if i was not convinced beforehand?" This is a paraphrased version of his statement, but you, in all likelihood, find this point to be totally cogent. He articulately and scrupulously encapsulates the most paramount argumentations from a skeptical perspective of Scripture, such as a) the fact that the gospels are all anonymously segmented by unknown authors and, subsequently, Paul of Tarsus is the single human in history to directly and distinguishably record himself as having seen a risen Jesus; he did not allegedly see Jesus' until a handful of years after his death. b) There are some blantly contradictions that exist in the biblically canonical gospels. Take a gander at Mark 16:6-15. You'll notice that the gospel has two endings.
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Why should the Abrahamic God be immune from criticism? Your amount of mightiest, or lackthereof, doesn't determine how much criticism you should or should not receive ❤🤔
A Christian quoted the apostle Paul to me the other day. He said can the clay say to the potter what are you doing or why are you making me this way. I responded no because the clay is an inanimate object with no sentience or consciousness but if the clay was imbued with those things I think it would have every right to question the potter. After that I asked him would it be reasonable for a painter to paint a picture and then say to the picture he or she painted Why do you have those lines? Why do you have those shapes? Why do you have those colors? He didn't respond but I suspect he understood what I was getting at..
@@abiliv-lf9tz I grew up asking that exact question so I can recognize the toxic parallels. I don’t say this in a way to blame or shame. You’re absolutely right.
Took me a minute to get the painter analogy asking the the picture he painted why the lines,the colors,the shapes...because the painter(god) painted (made it) that way !!
My faith is crumbling before me and its terrifying. EDIT: to share more about my story Thank you everyone for the support. I'm 31.. I did not grow up in the church. I became a Christian 3 years ago after I truly believed Jesus was drawing me and he delivered me from alcohol and chronic panic attacks. It was all so real to me. Until I spent the past 3 years very involved in my church and that has been a crazy experience. It's a small fundamental baptist church. Very strict and no one lives like Jesus said to. So my husband and I took the teachings in Luke very seriously and left our home and moved across the country to work in a ministry. That lasted 6 weeks because it was WILD and corrupt. We've been searching and asking questions since. Very recently the whole hell doctrine became such an issue we don't believe it anymore. Now I'm questioning the entire faith. And here I am. Hanging with atheists on the internet lol
another great one! Evil? Hold someone's hand during the last few hours of their life as they literally scream in agony and endure a nurse walking in saying, in an attempt to soothe you: "it's part of God's plan." That's evil.
@@gerb3664 how awful! How sad. Our last moments - if we are free enough of pain and lucid should be to be able to look at loved ones around us and feel at peace with what we did with our life. Poor woman.
@@gerb3664 When my mom was dying of cancer, her sister kept saying how she was at risk of going to hell for one stupid reason or another, like inviting people into her home and talking to them. Another friend of the family kept saying things like, "if she isn't wearing this necklace when she dies then she'll go to hell." It honestly INFURIATED me and I'm not even religious. But the idea that my mom, who dedicated her life to God and became a foster parent who adopted children like me whom no one loved and ensured those who had loved ones had a stable home until they worked their way through the lengthy court system which sometimes took 4 years. If SHE could go to hell then we're all fucked and God is the most evil being in creation.
@@hesuskristo5642 I hope you don’t think all rich people are greedy and selfish. Abigail Disney donates and gives away much more money than most people will ever have! There are some good rich people. If hell was real I can, however, think of a few people who deserve to go there. But, it isn’t real just like heaven isn’t real. Sometimes I wish they were. 🤷🏼♀️
Inconsistencies upset me more than anything. They leave me confused and demoralized. Humans are flawed & are often inconsistent. As a Christian, I was taught that God was unchanging. God could be trusted to keep his promises. It took decades before the cognitive dissonance I lived with broke me. I remember when my belief in Christianity crashed down around me. The disconnect between the Bible & reality became apparent. I realized humans created God & not the other way around. Years of Bible study turned me into an atheist.
I am not really concerned about what any particular person BELIEVES. You may believe that there is an old man with a white beard perched in the clouds, that the Ultimate Reality is a young blackish-blue Indian guy, that the universe is eternal, that Mother Mary was a certifiable virgin, or that gross physical matter is the foundation of existence. The ONLY thing that really matters is your meta-ethics, not your meta-physics. Do you consider any form of non-monarchical government (such as democracy or socialism) to be beneficial? Do you unnecessarily destroy the lives of poor, innocent animals and gorge on their bloody carcasses? Do you believe homosexuality and transvestism are moral? Do you consider feminist ideology to be righteous? If so, then you are objectively immoral, and your so-called "enlightened/awakened" state is immaterial, since it does not benefit society in any way.
@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices Ah, a meta fanatic. I'm a humanist. If you believe that makes me immoral, that's a you problem, not my problem at all. You meta people really are quirky. But, as long as you do no harm, you do you, boo! The complexities of humans is never boring.
It's very jarring when you realize how petty vindictive and evil god of Abraham is and yet people so many of them think he is great therefore justifying all the evil.
I don't know which "god" you are talking about. The God of the Bible is Holy, Righteous, and Just. "The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether." (Psalm 19:9) "The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever." (Psalm 119:160)
@christophergibson7155 This man-made god. But what else we expect from an indoctrinated fool? --------------------------------------------------------- *This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. *It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! *Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.*** ***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.* The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice. *And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page. *If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.* www.evilbible.com/ Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector (A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".)
25:50.... Yep. Creating an entity that turns bad and THEN letting that creature loose to deceive and torment humanity IS EVIL. Not to mention it's ridiculous absurd fiction / mythology.
The Typically BRILLIANT insights we have come to expect from Brandon.. As an atheist, I dont personally believe in the religious concept of "good Vs evil" but if anyone does, the arguments given here would then point to God himself as evil..
Even without God we still have Objective Morality, which we observe from Cause and Effect. And our Sense of Morality comes from Positive and Negative Outcomes of our actions and the actions of others.
3:57 - Even if evil is just a lack of good, it wouldn't save the argument. A shadow is just a lack of light, but we don't speak as if shadows don't exist and don't have effects on the world around us. By stepping into the sunlight, I create a shadow, and whatever horrible thing happens as a result is my fault.
Where are the rainbow creating unicorns? Where are the floating islands with Valkyries and Amazons living on them? What's with the mosquitos, etc? Creation, indeed, could be so much better.
@@pineapplepenumbra We have some pretty cool animals here. But the so-called "wonderful"...all-powerful God will taketh them away just like us and let them DIE, just like us. There is ZERO concrete evidence it will get better after this.
Thanks for your comments. A problem I see with apologists is that they have to use a book written by many different men over thousands of years to defend a supposedly perfect god.
Exactly. They have to reconcile the irreconcilable, explain the unexplainable, excuse the unexcusable. If they would open their eyes to what the Bible actually is, all those problems would vanish.
@MindShiftSkeptic My son wants to believe, he is looking for reasons to believe. He has ocd to the point it affects the quality of his life and he has told me he can find some peace if he can give it up to god. (One issue is his ocd leads to deep fear that people will be harmed or killed if he doesn't do his job perfectly so he tears the work apart repeatedly to improve it based on fears that wake him at night but if he can do it once and whatever happened after is up to the god, then he can stop obsessing about it.) I've agreed to read, again, the bible with him and I've told him I want him to understand the character of the god he wants to give himself up to. His feeling is that if he does the job then gives up whatever happens to god he can have peace. If that would be the full of it then it might not be so bad, regardless of the fact the god isn't real. It would be like the feather for Dumbo. But ocd, unlike the god, is real and it's getting worse. So I do understand his near desperation to find a way to be rid of it or at least to lessen its grip. But he has my mother (extreme southern baptist and retired psychologist) and an ex friend of mine (highly judgmental and manipulative) pressing him to join them .. this will not end as a dip of his toe into xianity, especially when the god doesn't relieve him of his ocd burden. I don't want to hit him over the head with the terrible character of the god, I want him to discover it via our reading. But where do I start? What direction should I go in? I want him to see the god as it is, not as people like my mother tell him it is. He distrusts medicine and to a good extent, doctors but if I can get him to see a therapist instead of looking for a miracle in a myth, he could make a substantial change in his life as he learns tools to deal with ocd Can you help me. A place to start and a path through books that could allow him to see the reality of the god and bible? TIA
@@suzibikerbabe8073 Damn, that sounds really bad. He definitely will need therapy, and not by a fundamentalist religious person. I say that as a Christian myself: The best thing would be to try and get him a good, licensed, secular therapist. Other than that, I have two book suggestions for you: One that I absolutely love, it gives a very wholesome perspective on a non-toxic, helpful iteration of Christianity, very removed from the usual "orthodox" views. It's called "The sound of life's unspeakable beauty" by Martin Schleske. It's not an easy read, but definitely worth it. This one would not be to guide your son away from faith, but to bring him in contact with a healthy form of faith. The other one I can recommend is called "Putting away childish things" by Uta Ranke-Heinemann. She's also still a believer, but in this book, she deconstructs the core tenants of traditional Christianity by explaining the biblical contradictions and how extrabiblical elements found their way into the Christian doctrine. She dismantles everything from the virgin birth over atonement to hell. I hope you find something helpful and wish you and your son all the best.
Something you mentioned in passing, about people getting different revelation, is the thing that set me on the track to being an atheist. I remember watching several elders of my church arguing about whether to do something or not, and all claiming to have prayed about it and got different answers. I realised in that moment that they couldn’t all be right, but that they could all be wrong.
The problem with the Abrahimic religions is that the texts: a.) Were written by multiple authors. b.) Were altered numerous times by numerous people with different agendas. c.) Were never intended by the original authors to be combined into a single collection of texts. d.) Were written as a contemporary explanation for a religion that changed it's own theology numerous times over the first 2,000 + years. e.) Were all used as political propaganda. In order to truly understand how this religion has changed so much from the oldest texts to the youngest texts and from the original meaning to the current meaning a person would need to isolate each book of the Tenakh, Quran, and NT. Then they would need to compare each text with the history of the region during the time the text was written. Finally they would need to trace the evolution of the interpretation of each texts from the oldest interpretation to the current interpretation. Once you do this, you realize that it is impossible to objectively and honestly synchronize all of this information into a single cohesive theology. Ergo the differences between Judaism, Islam and Christianity as well as the internal differences within Judaism, Islam and Christianity.
@@harveywabbit9541 If you mean to say that Christianity was a Roman construction I would agree but we would need to call it a Greco-Roman construction. A small but relevant clarification. If you mean to say that all the Abrahimic religions are a Roman construction then I would strongly disagree. The influences of so many different theological beliefs have been amalgamated together to create all three (and the subsequent) variations of the Abrahimic religions. Either way I think we can both agree that there is no evidence of any divine inspiration to the texts. I assume we would both agree that the religions are a man-made construct ie. man creates God; God does not create man.
@@ObjectiveEthics The Romans incorporated Greek and other myths into the bible. None of the patriarchs (fathers of the arc/ark) are historical characters.
@@harveywabbit9541 What do you mean when you say "none of the patriarchs are historical characters"? It is highly unlikely that the Old testament patriarchs are complete mythology. For example: 1). We have archeological evidence for King David. 2). We have archeological evidence that Moses means "Son of" in Egyptian and that the Hebrews were most likely the Hyksos who were expelled out of Egypt. As in Thutmoses. 3). We have archeological evidence of the Enumma Elise which is the Sumerian origin of Noah's flood. Granted we can use this evidence to calculate the probability that these stories were highly mythological but we also must accept that myths and legends of this type were almost always based on a historical person or event.
I suspect that it's that frame of reasoning that separated those with a more progressive interpretation of the faith, from those with more reactionary interpretation of the faith. Progressive denominations generally emphasize the loving and merciful nature of God, but reactionaary denominations emphasize the authority and righteousness of God.
@@chewxieyang4677 Nope. Some just pretend the version of their god is more loving than another christians version of the same god. Its people pretending their god is loving while ignoring the history of the religion and its fundamental doctrine thats filled with violence and atrocities. In short: They make it up as they go to remain a trend. And all those gods are still completely missing from reality.
Yes, God created everything, so yeah. Regardless of what you believe, in the universe made by "God of Love", he MADE the universe, therefore he's the architect of everything, including everything within his "created" universe, he's ultimately responsible.
I'm confused as to how the Abrahimic God is responsible for the choices that people make. Is Henry Ford responsible for all of the automotive related deaths? Are the Wright brothers responsible for all the aviation related deaths? The Chinese invention of gun powder has been used to create weapons of mass destruction. Are the Chinese responsible for all deaths related to gun powder? I am not a theist or an atheist. I am an agnostic so I am trying to understand all of the arguments from both sides as unbiased as possible.
@@Deridus sry to hear that king, i believe that if you make an earnest attempt you could probably make some really good ones of your own with a few youtube tutorials. May the pretzels of your choosing ever be at your immediate and joyful side.
Yah, 5:50 Supposedly we have the holy spirit guiding us into the truth, but we can't figure out / agree on what is true . This was one of the first problems I observed as a Christian studying for the ministry. I agree..... problem #1. Almost as if there is no god doing anything. And studying Greek and Hebrew made me see how the problem was much worse than I first thought.
Jesus said so much when he said, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God (Luke 4:4b). God's word equips believers to withstand the things that would assail their faith, but this requires reading and study of EVERY WORD along with application of his truth, warnings, and promises (ref. 2 Timothy 3:16-17). Failure to do these could result in the shipwreck of one's faith.
No matter how someone translates this Bible scripture: God creating evil, calamity, destruction, blah blah blah. Bottom line is that this all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving Divine Perfect Being decidedly created an imperfect heaven and earth..I mean Satan himself picked up on evil and chose to disobey God and convinced a pack of other angels to join him. Did God give them free will? And, even with free will, why did these angelic beings go against God living in such a perfect Paradise? The concept of "original sin" didn't start in the Garden of Eden..it began with the supposed fall of a wicked angelic being, who was created by an omniscient God. Then, He creates the first man and woman because He was lonely. Why was he lonely? Didn't He socialize with all those angels up there anyway? And then God knew that man and woman would sin after being tempted by that little wicked angelic scamp who was the first sinner in the first place! It all doesn't make sense and we have to do mental gymnastics in order try and make rational sense out of a pretty sad mixed-up narrative.
"But, God can't get rid of evil, without taking away Free Will!" I must have misinterpreted the definition of Omni-potent!😅 I guess God can't fix his own mistakes!
If a Mafia boss or godfather orders his men to murder someone, the boss is just as guilty of the evil done as the men he sent.Most Christians would tell us that Satan is evil, without thinking that God used Satan against Job.Also, they skip over the verses in Judges and in 1 Sam. where God sends evil spirits to people.But, to me, this verse sums up the evilness of god. " I will make my arrows drunk with blood while my sword devours flesh." If that ain't evil I don't know what is! And he is bragging about it! It sounds like something a vampire or a monster would say in a horror flick.
I dunno, I just came from a Professor Plink video where a woman gave really really short explanations for everything, and it seemed WAY the heck worse than this. I think longer explanations really are more feasible....which tells you something about the quality of their arguments, when even the lengthiest chonkers are hogwash.
@@flyingpuma9729 The Jesus who brings the sword (winter) and not peace (summer) is the biblical Satan. His sign is Scorpio and his name is Beelzebub (Lord of the Flies). Matthew 3.20-27. The year of 12 signs/months is commonly divided into seven months of summer (Aries thru Libra) aka God. ...and five months of winter (Scorpio thru Pisces) aka Satan. We have God, the summer sun and Satan, the winter sun. They are one and the same sun.
This might not be exactly what happened, but didn't god flood in the entire Earth in Noa's arc or something? Because if so, I always wondered how you could justify that. If you are born 1 week before this, then how is it fair that you died. I saw someone in this comment section (or maybe on another video) say that you are a sinner until you believe in god. This would "justify" this (god flooding the earth), but I find it so funny that someone would believe that a baby deserves to die when its born.
@@Syffx. "but I find it so funny that someone would believe that a baby deserves to die when its born." I've had religious people attempt to defend Slavery, Child Murder and Genocide; it's not so much funny, it's criminal. People make the stupid claim that everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but say you come across a group cutting the head of a screaming 5 year old girl. They say, "It's her own fault; our belief system says that anyone wearing a red jumper must be beheaded, and she's wearing a red jumper!" Would you say that they are entitled to that belief? *There are real world examples of similar evil!* These idiotic, infantile, illlogical, immoral, but above all, evil, cults have to go. This is one reason why the _child abuse_ of bringing children up in _any_ religious/cult belief system needs to be recognised as such and banned. We don’t (if we’re responsible) let children have access to porn or recreational drugs, so why is it legal to expose them to far more dangerous material, such as the torah, bible and qur’an?
@@Syffx.they believe this concept because it’s essential to the salvation complex. It’s our inherent sin, being passed down from Adam (which is totally fair 🙄) that corrupts us at our conception. So yes, in the minds of a vast majority of Christians, the baby who’s only a few months, few days, or few hours old is deserving of God’s ultimate wrath. It’s insane.
Why didn't God curse Lucifer after his rebellion and war in heaven with mortality like he did with Adam and Eve? And why no eternal torture in hell for the Devil but instead for sinful souls that have absolutely no knowledge about god or that this god even exists? There's also this quite weird theistic view that the Devil (the bad guy who fyi did a war in heaven) has dominion over the earth and that God for some awfully weird reason "allows" or permits the Devil to have Dominion over it for reasons beyond human comprehension. So what this shows is not that God is evil but rather the many convoluted attempts of theists in trying to reconcile the evil that exists in the world with an omni benevolent god that the same people claim into existence.
@@Bojan12 God is being inconsistent here whereas one would expect consistency from a God. Why hold the Devil the embodiment of pure evil to a different standard as compared to souls that are supposed to be tested by life to see if they worship God or the Devil all throughout their lives? Now of course one of the Theistic explanation for why the Devil get's the feather padded glove treatment is that the Devil is a spirit being so therefore it/they fall under metaphysical punishments so it's "different" for them vs as how humans get judged by others and finally by God. This of course right off the bat contradicts how god punished the trickster snake (the Devil? and or just one demon minion of the Devil?) with a physical punishment to eat dust and crawl on it's belly. The Devil get's the special privilege treatment while for humans they are just one inch away from hell just by looking at another woman lustfully (in their heart-brains). Humans want justice all the time however God does not seem to give a bother. And here we go again with the theistic excuses for why not such as all will be corrected and revealed in the fullness of time or some such b.s. So the counter argument to that excuse is that Jesus knows shit about time! Jesus says "soon" he will return to set up his kingdom on earth all within the life time of his apostles, some will not taste death and all that is underscored with "truly." So then any rational sane person would have to conclude that "soon" can mean any f-ing period of time (god is not the author of confusion you naughty sinners). It could be 1 second or 1000 yrs soon. So then as if contradictions do not exist in the bible theists waltz into claiming that God is also time-less (and space less) and we have no idea how metaphysical time works and only god knows that. So then why is Jesus still clueless about how time works when Jesus is supposed to be the son of God? All these stories are all cool and all however there has to be something...I don't know how else to say it but something useful about them such as promoting(!) freedom and just help (contra condemning) people in general. But this just does not show up at all! Christians for example go to war the exact same way as any other non Christians and non Believers (and of course non believers rarely go to war over such things such as evolution by natural selection). You can't be say a Communist-Atheist or Fascist-Atheist because it's a contradictory position to hold in both cases. If you are an atheist then war is immediately off the table even if the atheist knows nothing about evolution. We are the same pond scum some billions of years ago...heh try to get an ideology out of that and make people fight against each other. Not gonna happen. And these humility parroting Christians are just annoying so they should shut the hell up with their blind virtue of "humility." You are poor because of the lack of technology not because it's some weird special plan of god just for you and it will all make sense after the heat death of the universe. People get cancer not because of sin but because of cells and entropy. Is that something evil? Well the person has to decide.
17:44 - Oh I've been surprised by how many people disagree: many people think punishment is primarily meant as retribution, to almost... morally balance out the universe in some way.
@14:55 it was at 15 in mid 00s when i realized i was more moral than my parents religion. it was over the debate of marriage equality. besides bowing a knee to AN interpretation of an anient text, i could see no good reason to deny marriage and every single reason why to support it as good.
Brandon buddy, we gotta talk about this idea I had for an episode called " In search of... the True Christian " I'm thinking American Gladiator/Survivor style show with tests and obstacles all based upon Bible criteria. Starting with simple things like a Pious Eating Contest, and ending with the harder ones like plucking out eyeballs and cutting off hands while healing the sick and casting out demons and moving mountains and such, but for the grand prize the have to handle snakes and drink poison, then if they survive all that they win a meeting with Jesus himself who then says to them, I never knew you, depart from me into everlasting torment, all your righteousness is just a bunch of filthy rags, and then the winner will say but Lord lord I performed miracles in your... Bup bup bup, Jesus interrupts saying are those clothes you're wearing? I said you must give EVERYTHING to the poor. Then the show ends with the winner walking away with a handful of filthy rags, and a one way ticket to Hel, (Poland)... anyways what do think?
That's really funny. I think it's also funny how not many Christians know of that line from Jesus and then after you tell them they instantly try to apologize it as meaning something other than what it explicitly says. Then there are a few Christians who do know this and it scares them because they have no idea if they are worshipping properly until death.
@@GameTimeWhyThat line makes sense if they knew the original intent of Jesus. The guy who created Christianity wrote the Book of Judas where it says Yahweh is NOT the god of Jesus. Yahweh is a god of fools who tricked people into worshipping it and doing its evil bidding. Supposedly, the guy who invented Christianity actually read the Bible and concluded Yahweh is evil and incapable of creating anything good. So Jesus was going to come from a higher mysterious being. It would have been a pretty cool twist. Lol.
@@suicune2001 that would have been a cool twist. I have wondered since being a Christian if Satan could have written the Bible to make people hate god. Now i know it's just humans who wrote it and that the books use some pretty amazing psychological tricks to get scared and downtrodden people to join and then stay (for the most part).
@@GameTimeWhy It would make sense for the devil to create the Bible to trick people into doing clearly evil things. I've heard a couple people say things like, "the devil wouldn't dress up as some clearly bad person to try and trick you. He'd dress up as your local priest." Slavery, rape, murder (in many instances), and physical abuse aren't even considered sins. What kind of moral structure is that?? The Taliban basically follow the commands of the Bible to a T and look how they are.
Love that he immediately begins with “which translation? There are many to choose from 🤓” as if that isn’t absolutely and exclusively an argument against and not for Christianity.
Any god that could interfere with evil but chooses not to is still guilty in my book, so it really doesn’t matter what excuses apologists invent to defend their gods’s incompetence or indifference.
Thank you, Brandon, for your sound and well thought out rebuttles to so many things bout the nature of the god of the Bible. And thank you for the respectful way you do it. Addressing the issue and the concept rather than attacking or belittling other people. Especially those on the opposite side than yourself in the conversation. THAT is both mature and respectful in nature. To bad the god of the bible did not operate in such a dignified manner when addressing those he considered his adversaries...especially since he supposedly created them out of omnipotent love and perfection on his part.
This video is a breath of fresh air. It’s a pleasure to hear you point out everything that’s so wrong about these apologetics. And as a side note, your beard is looking great!
Christian’s say “god gave us free will and didn’t want us to be robot” but what if I want to be a robot? If god is all good and perfectly loving then I would choose to be a robot to that gods will. So I guess I don’t actually have the free will to decide just like I didn’t have the free will to even decide to exist. That decision was also made against my free will. So god wants you to make your own decisions but he also want you to beleive something that’s proving itself to to be untrue and whose messengers are untrustworthy and intellectually dishonest.
That is because King Saul had given himself over to rebellion against the Lord. The prophet Samuel told Saul what his problem was..."For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king.” (1 Samuel 15:23) And this is why the evil spirit at times came upon King Saul. "But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him." (1 Samuel 16:14)
@@christophergibson7155 "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" - 1 Samuel Brings to mind a different quote. "During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after eight hundred years, gathered up its halters, thumb-screws, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood. Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry.....There are no witches. The witch text remains; only the practice has changed. Hell fire is gone, but the text remains. Infant damnation is gone, but the text remains. More than two hundred death penalties are gone from the law books, but the texts that authorized them remain." - Mark Twain
That's still collaboration. If he's rejected from being king, just strip his titles from him. As was never done to Torquemada, or numerous others. Not even, chastised? Also, David slipped up, in the Bathsheba incident. And in 2 Samuel 24. Both times, of course... other people, paid, with their lives, instead of him.@@christophergibson7155
22:32 "Before the CONCEPT of Heaven and Hell were around" P E R F E C T!!!! Deut: 28:63 Deut: 32: 20-25 Especially 25. Poor infants. Deut 32: 39 Good job Brandon.
If he created Satan, and possesses both omnipotence and omniscience, he knew what Satan would turn into and he knew he had the power to change Satan so that would not happen and yet chose not to do so. It’s really hard to justify how an omniscient and omnipotent creator isn’t responsible for evil when by definition he’d have to be responsible for everything in the universe.
Yeah. Also, if God didn't create evil, then who did? Us? Satan? And if either humans or Satan have the ability to create a force that rivals the goodness of God, I think it opens up a lot of philosophical questions about how powerful God even is. So, the way I see it, he either created evil and is therefore not all-good, or someone else created evil and he is therefore not all-powerful.
God created evil for his purposes. But he is not evil, for you are not what you create. Because he created it, he controls it, and when he is done with it, God will destroy evil. This is God's plan. We may not like it, but it is what it is, and we have to live with it.
The book of Job has a bit of a mythical feel to it. Nowhere else in the Bible do you hear about God sitting around shootin the breeze with someone. But in Job, God and the devil are just hangin out like friends. The devil kind of seems like Loki messing with Thor in the book of Job.
I get your drift, but the satan character doesn’t necessarily mean Lucifer. It’s a nondescript character aside from the role “accuser.” We could just as well name the character Ronan. That’s why is appears to be more of a fable since there’s a lesson it’s attempting to convey.
When did god become "outside of space and time"? I mean, in the old testament, he literally lived in the sky, which is why the whole story of the Tower of Babel happened. I mean they were trying to build a tower to reach god and he got mad that they were going to reach him. So did they build a stargate instead of a tower?
The home of god evolved with each century. First he lived on the mountains. When we explored the mountains, he moved to the sky. When he explored the sky, he moved beyond the sky. When he explored space, me moved beyond space. All to excuse his absence.
The Book of Job is the book that began my deconstruction. God and the Devil are just hanging out one day (I have SO many questions) and the Devil makes a bet with God that one of his believers only believes in him because of the life he provided for him. So, God just goes down and starts ransacking this man’s life…..to prove a point…..to the father of all lies. Like, God was NOT aware of what Lucifer was going to become? Didn’t know that this action would make him the bad guy in the morality tale? I thought God was all knowing. And, what does proving a point to the Devil prove to God, or you or me again??? If God did not “create” evil, he doesn’t seem to have a problem using it to prove a point. I always wondered what Lucifer would have been thinking in this story, watching this event play out. I can only imagine his character just wanting to burst out in laughter and bewilderment at how he played God like a fiddle.
Some constructive feedback on the studio: it looks great. I’m not a big fan of a giant mic covering half your face, but not a huge deal. You could turn up the gain and back the mic off a few inches. The bigger issue is you have some really resonant frequencies (I think mid/low) that could be taken out with some EQ adjustment. It would improve the sound quality quite a bit. Love the channel. Keep up the good work!
When I was a christian, I remember feeling very unemotional about morality. If you were to categorize God's definition of evil and good you begin to realize that what's good to God are just things he approves of. And things that are evil he disapproves of. And in terms of punishment, all who are not saved by repentance(whatever that means), though Jesus's blood, will go to hell. People who steal a penny, And those who brutally murder thousands of people will receive the same treatment. As a christian, this messed with my head. Good didn't mean as much as people normally think it to be because it's just what God approves of. And from my perspective, he arbitrarily chooses what he approves of. This worldview, I think, causes one's moral compass to lack nuance. God does emphasize certain wrongdoings over others, but the treatment in the final judgment remains the same.
Another clarification on the definition: good is what is obedient to God. Evil is what is disobedient to God. I apply this to my statement above equally.
The punishment is not the same at all even in the world however the end if it is which is complete destruction of once whole being from complete existence never to be again
There was a video that I watched, unfortunately I don't remember who made it, but it was an atheist responsning to a Christian's video. In the Christian's video, they said that Christians all agreed on the basics of the faith and only disagree on the specifics. The atheist responded to the point by pointing out some major disagreements on the basics like "do you need to do good works to be saved?" He also said that there was a really early group of Christians who believed that the god of the old testament was an amazing evil god, but Jesus was the son of a good god. Your video reminded me of that piece of trivia.
I saw it worded once that God of the Old Testament was Lucifer who had corrupted the text to make the God of the Bible look evil. I thought the idea seemed unlikely, but it allowed me the chance to consider God’s actions in the Bible as potentially evil (rewritten as good as an apologetic).
Great video! I love how you discussed the verse and broaden the context. I think one of the major issues facing Christians such as IP is they tend to read translations that “ lie” to them or muddle a meaning of a word if theologically inconvenient. I use the NRSVUE to contrast the evangelical translation of the ESV. ”I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe; I the Lord do all these things.“ Isaiah 45:7 NRSVUE ”I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things.“ Isaiah 45:7 ESV ”Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that evil and good come?“ Lamentations 3:38 NRSVUE ”Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?“ Lamentations 3:38 ESV If IP reads the ESV, IP will read a watered down version that attempts to portray YHWH in a better light. In Lamentations, evil is now bad and the order is reversed from evil and good to good and bad.
What troubles me the most is how can people believe that a perfect god created everything imperfect, a loving rightful god created evil and let it rule over earth and his supposed creation... Absurd!
I do think that there is a higher standard on us that god doesn’t live up to. I’ve heard people talk about visions they’ve had where people died with unforgiveness in their hearts, and were being judged by god. It was a terrible scene. What is crazy to me is how people are being damned to hell by the same god that demands we forgive every offense, whether a person is sorry or not, but his forgiveness has its limits. We have to pray for our enemies, while god will eventually punish his. Now i dont want to hold grudges or harm anyone, but i believe in boundaries and people being held accountable. Not in a place like hell though. Its just too much. I think hell existing is a problem if you claim to be love itself. How can love conceptualize then create a place so dark, and for the purpose of torturing those it claims to love. Not creating “the lost” is more loving than letting them exist while hoping they love you back. You know they wont! How can you toy with their entire existence, while knowing they’ll be tortured forever! So sorry, i think im just venting now. Lol
Great points! I hear from Christians that we are supposed to become like Christ, but how can we do that when God can do so many things that we can't, as you pointed out.
If God didn't create evil and it appeared spontaneously (or as a byproduct of His creation), then He can't be all knowing or all powerful. If evil was not part of His creation, then He either didn't know it would appear or He didn't care. And once it did appear He didn't have the power to stop it, or He didn't have the desire to stop it. Any of these explanations is damning. Cheers.
As always f-ing brilliant Brandon. You have helped me so much with searching for truth on this topic as well as 1,000's of other people I'm sure. Always a pleasure watching ur channel.
This reminds me of another verse contrasting peace with evil in the KJV - Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. In the New American Standard it is "plans for prosperity and not for disaster". Agreed that it is unfair to insist the translation must be "evil" in either verse.
Home run my man! I love these videos, gives so much perspective. You should write a book 😊 also stop hogging all the smartness, share some of it with us dumb people 😂 have a awesome day
The idea that the Abrahimic God is an "Omni-God" is not actually the way this God is described in the texts. The idea that "God" is Omnipresent and Omniscient is a religious apologetic that is not written anywhere in the Bible. The only time "Omni" is used in the Bible is Omnipotent which is only found one time in Revelations. If you study the Bible you will see that God changes It's mind all the time. God regrets It's decisions all the time. This cannot be rationalized with Omniscience. You will also see that God is isolated to specific locations such as 'walking in the garden of Eden', or 'up in the heavens', or 'seated at the right hand of God'. This cannot be rationalized with Omnipresent. So if we were to assume that this God is all-powerful then we should not assume that a God which is all-powerful but not all-knowing would necessarily design a perfect creation just because this God is technically capable of doing so.
@@ObjectiveEthics Oh I'm aware of that. It's basically the end point of how he is imagined starting from a figure with very human characteristics - not unlike other gods of that era - until the more ethereal being of the New Testament that is pretty much incompatible with the previous texts. But that's the reality of what most people believe so that's what I'm working with... Would love to hear some believers say "don't blame God, he had no idea this would happen!" though for a change 😉
@@dasbus9834 Loving that last sentence you wrote! Hearing a Christian say that would absolutely make my day. "How could we expect God to predict this would all go off the rails. It's not like God's perfect."
Discipline is much different than punishment. Discipline shows us how to change things due to consequences. Plus there is a thing called restorative justice
example of the Kidspeak sentence, “Yo, it’s chill, bro.” I could have translated that sentence to my dad in a number of ways: “Hey, it’s all good, man.” “Listen, everything is okay, my friend.” “You know what? The situation is copacetic, loved one.” The specific words differ in all these translations. But even so, is there really any doubt about what “Yo, it’s chill, bro” is communicating? Whichever of these translations you use, what the sentence means is that my son wants someone with whom he is in a friendly relationship to be aware that he does not think his current situation is problematic; he’s satisfied with it. This can be used as a God example on different bible translations 👍🙏❤️
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament: "I Jehovah, and there is none else, former of the light, and creator of the darkness; founder of peace, and creator of *evil:* I Jehovah am He who worketh all this." Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers: I am JEHOVAH, and none else; forming light, and creating darkness; making peace, and creating *evil; Lament 3 38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? Deut 30 15 “See,I have set before you today life and good, death and *evil* Strong's Number: 7451 bad, evil Brown-Driver-Briggs I. רַע226 adjective bad, evil
The thing that gets me is that once you realize that these were just DIFFERENT WRITERS and the apparent contradictions between them are DISAGREEMENT (or more charitably, differing interpretations), the Bible suddenly makes so much more sense while also falling apart as a holy work. Does God have a body or not? Some people say yes, some people say no. Can you see God? Some people say yes, some people say no. Is God merciful or wrathful? Some say merciful, some say wrathful; some say merciful at some times and wrathful at others, some say wrathful at some times and merciful at others. Is God responsible for everything or just everything good? Depends who is writing and what they want to say. This makes vastly more sense than "An omniscient God is trying to tell us about himself but can never get his own story straight," and redeems the Bible for its historical, social, and literary value. It isn't one confused book that has no idea what it's talking about, it's an array of books from a particular cultural and religious tradition that grows and changes and experiments. Just like in Hinduism, in Buddhism, heck, even in Mormonism (on a much shorter timescale). The truth is, the apologists are sort of right: In many respects apparent scriptural contradictions *aren't* contradictions. They're just different opinions and takes. If we understand the lack of univocality we don't need to cite contradictory passages as if they're a "gotcha" anymore; we just acknowledge, well, these writers thought different things about theology, as people have for all of human religious history. And the scholarship is firmly with us on this, however much the contractual obligations of the specifically Christian scholars have to dance around outright saying so.
Yeah. Learning the history around the writing of the Bible and how Christianity was formed really takes the mysticism out of it. It all feels so political and man made.
@@sanjeevgig8918Yep! But those people tell CHILDREN how Yahweh genocided the ENTIRE WORLD and try to spin it as justified. No wonder they believe QAnon BS or whatever as adults. They've been conditioned to believe whatever they're told.
One of my favorite channels, I know why, this is a sector of knowledge that deals with happiness, purpose of life, what is life all about? For year many have looked to God as Strong Man, Might Makes right, which makes sense in a barbaric, cave man, medieval survival mentality, even today with organized crime, "Hey, don't mess with Guido!", but does not track with a Loving Father, the God of Love, etc. Good vid, thanks.
One thing that doesn’t get enough attention that I think this conversation brings to light is the fact that god revealing himself through written words is extremely problematic to the point that it ensures he’s the author of confusion. Why is it that an all-powerful and all-knowing being would choose written language as the means for us to know him post ascension when that method has a 100% probability to lead to misunderstanding? It makes no sense.
Have you done a video on "biblical parenting"? Just thought of it when you used correcting children's behaviour as an example of punishment. It's something I've been meaning to go more in depth into, as I have heard a few Christian opinions on parenting that go against current research and data on child development, and developmentally appropriate parenting approaches.
Re: calamity, acts of destruction. All he does is say that God can use them to destroy evil, but that doesn’t matter unless ONLY evil is destroyed by calamities.
Kinda off topic here but what do you think of the story of Lillith? As always, I dont think I even need to watch the video to tell it's a masterpiece. Watching it anyways though.
Here we go! Excited to share these 5 additional verses that highlight gods responsibility of evil. Thanks for being here!
Nice work👍exposing the Indoctrination
Omnipresent Greetingz. Nice work.
So do people perpetuate suffering and evil by procreating. Keeping this unfair and evil rollercoaster called life going.
@@AnonymousWon-uu5yn That's probably why Gord Almighty made sexuality and lust
Case closed councilor !... IF god is real, THEN he is evil..
Jesus fed 5000 people with two pieces of bread but does nothing to help the millions of people today that are starving he doesn't even help his so call people Israel who are at war
Yup. Pretty darn telling
just one myth after another....
Yeah, but reasons.
The bread is symbolic of the teachings, likewise with water. Common motifs throughout the Bible. It's not literal, it's literary.
“ Feeding the 5,000? I reckon that was 4,998 people saying’ what’s to eat? Bread and fish??!??
No thanks “
David Mitchell
If their god is responsible for everything, it stands to reason that he cannot condemn anyone for anything without condemning himself.
Excellent point!
I have been informed by a former Christian turned skeptical/atheistic UA-camr who labels himself with the appellative Paulogia. In one of his interviews, he introduced me to an impeccable analogy in relation to the dependableness of evidence:
"Would I take the evidence to be compelling if i was not convinced beforehand?" This is a paraphrased version of his statement, but you, in all likelihood, find this point to be totally cogent. He articulately and scrupulously encapsulates the most paramount argumentations from a skeptical perspective of Scripture, such as
a) the fact that the gospels are all anonymously segmented by unknown authors and, subsequently,
Paul of Tarsus is the single human in history to directly
and distinguishably record himself as having seen a risen Jesus; he did not allegedly see Jesus' until a handful of years after his death.
b) There are some blantly contradictions that exist in the biblically canonical gospels. Take a gander at Mark 16:6-15. You'll notice that the gospel has two endings.
If you desire to further consume my content, then proceed to the comment section under The Infographics Show's video on Jesus' alleged resurrection. My comment is categorized under the "newest" portion of that thread!!
Why should the Abrahamic God be immune from criticism? Your amount of mightiest, or lackthereof, doesn't determine how much criticism you should or should not receive ❤🤔
@@BenjaminEaster-b8b I would be very careful about that because If He is who He is our life is held hard in palm of His hands
A Christian quoted the apostle Paul to me the other day. He said can the clay say to the potter what are you doing or why are you making me this way. I responded no because the clay is an inanimate object with no sentience or consciousness but if the clay was imbued with those things I think it would have every right to question the potter. After that I asked him would it be reasonable for a painter to paint a picture and then say to the picture he or she painted Why do you have those lines? Why do you have those shapes? Why do you have those colors? He didn't respond but I suspect he understood what I was getting at..
If the child said to the parents "why did u abuse me so?”
@@abiliv-lf9tzYes, I think that would be a valid question.
@@abiliv-lf9tz I grew up asking that exact question so I can recognize the toxic parallels. I don’t say this in a way to blame or shame. You’re absolutely right.
That was awesome..for sure I'll be ready to use that..thank you..dude that was brilliant!!!! ✌️
Took me a minute to get the painter analogy asking the the picture he painted why the lines,the colors,the shapes...because the painter(god) painted (made it) that way !!
My faith is crumbling before me and its terrifying.
EDIT: to share more about my story
Thank you everyone for the support. I'm 31.. I did not grow up in the church. I became a Christian 3 years ago after I truly believed Jesus was drawing me and he delivered me from alcohol and chronic panic attacks. It was all so real to me. Until I spent the past 3 years very involved in my church and that has been a crazy experience. It's a small fundamental baptist church. Very strict and no one lives like Jesus said to. So my husband and I took the teachings in Luke very seriously and left our home and moved across the country to work in a ministry. That lasted 6 weeks because it was WILD and corrupt. We've been searching and asking questions since. Very recently the whole hell doctrine became such an issue we don't believe it anymore. Now I'm questioning the entire faith. And here I am. Hanging with atheists on the internet lol
It can be scary at first, but it’s incredibly liberating once you get grounded again :)
Remember you are not alone!
Strongs my friend!
At first it will be. But you will feel more alive and free more than you can ever imagine. Knowledge and truth is the ultimate peace.
Embrace the existential crisis, it’s better on the other side anyway.
Did you scream? 😋
another great one! Evil? Hold someone's hand during the last few hours of their life as they literally scream in agony and endure a nurse walking in saying, in an attempt to soothe you: "it's part of God's plan." That's evil.
Just yesterday a friend told me that her 93 yr old mother was afraid to die because she did not know if she was going to hell or heaven.
@@gerb3664 how awful! How sad. Our last moments - if we are free enough of pain and lucid should be to be able to look at loved ones around us and feel at peace with what we did with our life. Poor woman.
Yup. When people suffer in the worst ways imaginable and prayers go unanswered its for the greater good.
@@gerb3664 When my mom was dying of cancer, her sister kept saying how she was at risk of going to hell for one stupid reason or another, like inviting people into her home and talking to them. Another friend of the family kept saying things like, "if she isn't wearing this necklace when she dies then she'll go to hell."
It honestly INFURIATED me and I'm not even religious. But the idea that my mom, who dedicated her life to God and became a foster parent who adopted children like me whom no one loved and ensured those who had loved ones had a stable home until they worked their way through the lengthy court system which sometimes took 4 years.
If SHE could go to hell then we're all fucked and God is the most evil being in creation.
@@maggienewton8518Yes.😔❤️
25,000 children starve to death each day and I am supposed to believe there is a loving God? 🤦🏼♀️
Pretty darn stark. No getting around this issue
Exactly true love is shown through kindness and unselfish acts and we see no evidence in today's world of that from a God.
@prince.s3638 He apparently also tells them to “buy more jets” and “hide the cash in the walls”. 🤣
Yes because every rich persons are going to hell
@@hesuskristo5642 I hope you don’t think all rich people are greedy and selfish. Abigail Disney donates and gives away much more money than most people will ever have! There are some good rich people. If hell was real I can, however, think of a few people who deserve to go there. But, it isn’t real just like heaven isn’t real. Sometimes I wish they were. 🤷🏼♀️
Inconsistencies upset me more than anything. They leave me confused and demoralized. Humans are flawed & are often inconsistent. As a Christian, I was taught that God was unchanging. God could be trusted to keep his promises. It took decades before the cognitive dissonance I lived with broke me. I remember when my belief in Christianity crashed down around me. The disconnect between the Bible & reality became apparent. I realized humans created God & not the other way around. Years of Bible study turned me into an atheist.
I am not really concerned about what any particular person BELIEVES. You may believe that there is an old man with a white beard perched in the clouds, that the Ultimate Reality is a young blackish-blue Indian guy, that the universe is eternal, that Mother Mary was a certifiable virgin, or that gross physical matter is the foundation of existence.
The ONLY thing that really matters is your meta-ethics, not your meta-physics.
Do you consider any form of non-monarchical government (such as democracy or socialism) to be beneficial?
Do you unnecessarily destroy the lives of poor, innocent animals and gorge on their bloody carcasses?
Do you believe homosexuality and transvestism are moral?
Do you consider feminist ideology to be righteous?
If so, then you are objectively immoral, and your so-called "enlightened/awakened" state is immaterial, since it does not benefit society in any way.
@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices Ah, a meta fanatic. I'm a humanist. If you believe that makes me immoral, that's a you problem, not my problem at all. You meta people really are quirky. But, as long as you do no harm, you do you, boo! The complexities of humans is never boring.
@@IheartDogs55, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices how do any of those make you immoral?
@@IheartDogs55, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
It's very jarring when you realize how petty vindictive and evil god of Abraham is and yet people so many of them think he is great therefore justifying all the evil.
Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.
But those inside the tent are scared to step outside, just in case he's real.
I don't know which "god" you are talking about. The God of the Bible is Holy, Righteous, and Just. "The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether." (Psalm 19:9)
"The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever." (Psalm 119:160)
@christophergibson7155 This man-made god. But what else we expect from an indoctrinated fool?
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*This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along.
*It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).
God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife!
*Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.***
***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.*
The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.
*And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page.
*If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.*
www.evilbible.com/
Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector
(A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".)
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The abrahamic bible is a joke.
There is no god.
Is archaic and silly to believe in magic
25:50.... Yep. Creating an entity that turns bad and THEN letting that creature loose to deceive and torment humanity IS EVIL. Not to mention it's ridiculous absurd fiction / mythology.
Well god was bored so created his own horror movie; even sadistic gods must get their entertainment somehow!
The Typically BRILLIANT insights we have come to expect from Brandon.. As an atheist, I dont personally believe in the religious concept of "good Vs evil" but if anyone does, the arguments given here would then point to God himself as evil..
Appreciate that! And yes i agree. Evil is a religious word.
Even without God we still have Objective Morality, which we observe from Cause and Effect. And our Sense of Morality comes from Positive and Negative Outcomes of our actions and the actions of others.
@@thing1thing2themediamaniac43 Well said, friend.
3:57 - Even if evil is just a lack of good, it wouldn't save the argument. A shadow is just a lack of light, but we don't speak as if shadows don't exist and don't have effects on the world around us. By stepping into the sunlight, I create a shadow, and whatever horrible thing happens as a result is my fault.
Neglect is just the lack of support. I didn't "create" neglect never excuses the action.
This is great!
There is no choice to chose between two paths if there is no Light and Darkness and Light shines brightest in the Darkness
@@Bojan12 So you're saying God had no choice?
@@goldenalt3166 No what I am saying is we would not have a choice and God would not be able to fully represent Himself
No matter which definition is used, it is a creation that is not "good".
Where are the rainbow creating unicorns? Where are the floating islands with Valkyries and Amazons living on them? What's with the mosquitos, etc?
Creation, indeed, could be so much better.
@@pineapplepenumbraBut it could be much worse.
@@junekazama4578 Depends when and where you live, but yes, it could be.
@@pineapplepenumbra We have some pretty cool animals here. But the so-called "wonderful"...all-powerful God will taketh them away just like us and let them DIE, just like us. There is ZERO concrete evidence it will get better after this.
@@KevvaPMcK Sadly, too true.
Thanks for your comments. A problem I see with apologists is that they have to use a book written by many different men over thousands of years to defend a supposedly perfect god.
Thanks, Duane!
Exactly. They have to reconcile the irreconcilable, explain the unexplainable, excuse the unexcusable. If they would open their eyes to what the Bible actually is, all those problems would vanish.
@@DoloresLehmann Defend the indefensible.
@MindShiftSkeptic
My son wants to believe, he is looking for reasons to believe. He has ocd to the point it affects the quality of his life and he has told me he can find some peace if he can give it up to god. (One issue is his ocd leads to deep fear that people will be harmed or killed if he doesn't do his job perfectly so he tears the work apart repeatedly to improve it based on fears that wake him at night but if he can do it once and whatever happened after is up to the god, then he can stop obsessing about it.)
I've agreed to read, again, the bible with him and I've told him I want him to understand the character of the god he wants to give himself up to. His feeling is that if he does the job then gives up whatever happens to god he can have peace. If that would be the full of it then it might not be so bad, regardless of the fact the god isn't real. It would be like the feather for Dumbo. But ocd, unlike the god, is real and it's getting worse. So I do understand his near desperation to find a way to be rid of it or at least to lessen its grip. But he has my mother (extreme southern baptist and retired psychologist) and an ex friend of mine (highly judgmental and manipulative) pressing him to join them .. this will not end as a dip of his toe into xianity, especially when the god doesn't relieve him of his ocd burden.
I don't want to hit him over the head with the terrible character of the god, I want him to discover it via our reading. But where do I start? What direction should I go in? I want him to see the god as it is, not as people like my mother tell him it is. He distrusts medicine and to a good extent, doctors but if I can get him to see a therapist instead of looking for a miracle in a myth, he could make a substantial change in his life as he learns tools to deal with ocd
Can you help me. A place to start and a path through books that could allow him to see the reality of the god and bible?
TIA
@@suzibikerbabe8073 Damn, that sounds really bad. He definitely will need therapy, and not by a fundamentalist religious person. I say that as a Christian myself: The best thing would be to try and get him a good, licensed, secular therapist.
Other than that, I have two book suggestions for you:
One that I absolutely love, it gives a very wholesome perspective on a non-toxic, helpful iteration of Christianity, very removed from the usual "orthodox" views. It's called "The sound of life's unspeakable beauty" by Martin Schleske. It's not an easy read, but definitely worth it. This one would not be to guide your son away from faith, but to bring him in contact with a healthy form of faith.
The other one I can recommend is called "Putting away childish things" by Uta Ranke-Heinemann. She's also still a believer, but in this book, she deconstructs the core tenants of traditional Christianity by explaining the biblical contradictions and how extrabiblical elements found their way into the Christian doctrine. She dismantles everything from the virgin birth over atonement to hell.
I hope you find something helpful and wish you and your son all the best.
Something you mentioned in passing, about people getting different revelation, is the thing that set me on the track to being an atheist. I remember watching several elders of my church arguing about whether to do something or not, and all claiming to have prayed about it and got different answers. I realised in that moment that they couldn’t all be right, but that they could all be wrong.
Its a very stark realization. Hit me like a ton of bricks also!
The problem with the Abrahimic religions is that the texts:
a.) Were written by multiple authors.
b.) Were altered numerous times by numerous people with different agendas.
c.) Were never intended by the original authors to be combined into a single collection of texts.
d.) Were written as a contemporary explanation for a religion that changed it's own theology numerous times over the first 2,000 + years.
e.) Were all used as political propaganda.
In order to truly understand how this religion has changed so much from the oldest texts to the youngest texts and from the original meaning to the current meaning a person would need to isolate each book of the Tenakh, Quran, and NT. Then they would need to compare each text with the history of the region during the time the text was written. Finally they would need to trace the evolution of the interpretation of each texts from the oldest interpretation to the current interpretation.
Once you do this, you realize that it is impossible to objectively and honestly synchronize all of this information into a single cohesive theology. Ergo the differences between Judaism, Islam and Christianity as well as the internal differences within Judaism, Islam and Christianity.
Wonderful wonderful comment!
This monstrosity is a Roman creation.
@@harveywabbit9541 If you mean to say that Christianity was a Roman construction I would agree but we would need to call it a Greco-Roman construction. A small but relevant clarification.
If you mean to say that all the Abrahimic religions are a Roman construction then I would strongly disagree. The influences of so many different theological beliefs have been amalgamated together to create all three (and the subsequent) variations of the Abrahimic religions.
Either way I think we can both agree that there is no evidence of any divine inspiration to the texts. I assume we would both agree that the religions are a man-made construct ie. man creates God; God does not create man.
@@ObjectiveEthics
The Romans incorporated Greek and other myths into the bible. None of the patriarchs (fathers of the arc/ark) are historical characters.
@@harveywabbit9541 What do you mean when you say "none of the patriarchs are historical characters"?
It is highly unlikely that the Old testament patriarchs are complete mythology. For example:
1). We have archeological evidence for King David.
2). We have archeological evidence that Moses means "Son of" in Egyptian and that the Hebrews were most likely the Hyksos who were expelled out of Egypt. As in Thutmoses.
3). We have archeological evidence of the Enumma Elise which is the Sumerian origin of Noah's flood.
Granted we can use this evidence to calculate the probability that these stories were highly mythological but we also must accept that myths and legends of this type were almost always based on a historical person or event.
“If God is all powerful, he cannot be good. If God is good, he cannot be all powerful.”
I always joked that evil was just that good at being evil
@@lyokianhitchhiker "I may be bad, but I feel good." *Evil dead movie quote
I suspect that it's that frame of reasoning that separated those with a more progressive interpretation of the faith, from those with more reactionary interpretation of the faith. Progressive denominations generally emphasize the loving and merciful nature of God, but reactionaary denominations emphasize the authority and righteousness of God.
@@chewxieyang4677 Nope. Some just pretend the version of their god is more loving than another christians version of the same god. Its people pretending their god is loving while ignoring the history of the religion and its fundamental doctrine thats filled with violence and atrocities.
In short: They make it up as they go to remain a trend. And all those gods are still completely missing from reality.
@@chewxieyang4677 I always reasoned that the reason evil still exists in the face of a tri-omni god is because it’s just that good at being bad
Yes, God created everything, so yeah. Regardless of what you believe, in the universe made by "God of Love", he MADE the universe, therefore he's the architect of everything, including everything within his "created" universe, he's ultimately responsible.
I also think its this simple but still fun to be able to use the bible as ammo
Yep. If with great power comes great responsibility then with ultimate power comes ultimate responsibility.
@@suicune2001 well said!
@@MindShift-Brandon agreed 👍🏼
I'm confused as to how the Abrahimic God is responsible for the choices that people make.
Is Henry Ford responsible for all of the automotive related deaths?
Are the Wright brothers responsible for all the aviation related deaths?
The Chinese invention of gun powder has been used to create weapons of mass destruction. Are the Chinese responsible for all deaths related to gun powder?
I am not a theist or an atheist. I am an agnostic so I am trying to understand all of the arguments from both sides as unbiased as possible.
Once you employ a thousand excuses and mentally twist yourself into a pretzel, you'll see that the Bible is the perfect word of God.
... Now I want salty pretzles with hot cheese.😢
@@Deridusauntie annes pog
@@Deridusjust have faith that you have one already
@@ChillAssTurtle There's none nearby, believe me, I checked.
@@Deridus sry to hear that king, i believe that if you make an earnest attempt you could probably make some really good ones of your own with a few youtube tutorials. May the pretzels of your choosing ever be at your immediate and joyful side.
Yah, 5:50 Supposedly we have the holy spirit guiding us into the truth, but we can't figure out / agree on what is true . This was one of the first problems I observed as a Christian studying for the ministry. I agree..... problem #1. Almost as if there is no god doing anything.
And studying Greek and Hebrew made me see how the problem was much worse than I first thought.
Exactly!
When I thought about going to Westminster Seminary a friend who got his doctorate there told me that going to seminary is a quick route to unbelief.
Actually, the Bible addresses these points and provides a framework for both understanding these things and responding to them biblically.
@@sdlorah6450 No. It actually doesn't.
Jesus said so much when he said, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God (Luke 4:4b). God's word equips believers to withstand the things that would assail their faith, but this requires reading and study of EVERY WORD along with application of his truth, warnings, and promises (ref. 2 Timothy 3:16-17). Failure to do these could result in the shipwreck of one's faith.
No matter how someone translates this Bible scripture: God creating evil, calamity, destruction, blah blah blah. Bottom line is that this all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving Divine Perfect Being decidedly created an imperfect heaven and earth..I mean Satan himself picked up on evil and chose to disobey God and convinced a pack of other angels to join him. Did God give them free will? And, even with free will, why did these angelic beings go against God living in such a perfect Paradise? The concept of "original sin" didn't start in the Garden of Eden..it began with the supposed fall of a wicked angelic being, who was created by an omniscient God. Then, He creates the first man and woman because He was lonely. Why was he lonely? Didn't He socialize with all those angels up there anyway? And then God knew that man and woman would sin after being tempted by that little wicked angelic scamp who was the first sinner in the first place! It all doesn't make sense and we have to do mental gymnastics in order try and make rational sense out of a pretty sad mixed-up narrative.
Well said.
100%!
I would give them more credit if they just admitted that their God is evil, but they worship it anyway because there's nothing else they can do.
@@chameleonx9253
Because they are scared he will set them on fire unless they kiss his ass with sufficient tongue.
Yes great comment
The mental gymnastics that apologists go through, it's exhausting to watch...
"But, God can't get rid of evil, without taking away Free Will!"
I must have misinterpreted the definition of Omni-potent!😅
I guess God can't fix his own mistakes!
If a Mafia boss or godfather orders his men to murder someone, the boss is just as guilty of the evil done as the men he sent.Most Christians would tell us that Satan is evil, without thinking that God used Satan against Job.Also, they skip over the verses in Judges and in 1 Sam. where God sends evil spirits to people.But, to me, this verse sums up the evilness of god. " I will make my arrows drunk with blood while my sword devours flesh." If that ain't evil I don't know what is! And he is bragging about it! It sounds like something a vampire or a monster would say in a horror flick.
If a being is creating these calamities, then they aren’t just random happenstance. The being is creating evil.
You do not punish wickedness with sunshine and rainbows but with Darkness
The longer the apologists explanations are the less feasible they are to be true in my opinion
Especially the ones that claim Christian translators misunderstood the Christian Bible. That's a really hard path to try to take.
I dunno, I just came from a Professor Plink video where a woman gave really really short explanations for everything, and it seemed WAY the heck worse than this. I think longer explanations really are more feasible....which tells you something about the quality of their arguments, when even the lengthiest chonkers are hogwash.
"Jesus holds the keys to hell and death."
Sounds like the devil to me.
The entry to hell and death is unguarded. The entry to heaven is guarded by Perseus a son of Jupiter. Don't get in the way of his twirling sword.
@@harveywabbit9541
Cringe neo pagan nonsense lol
Doesnt make it any better
@@flyingpuma9729
The Jesus who brings the sword (winter) and not peace (summer) is the biblical Satan. His sign is Scorpio and his name is Beelzebub (Lord of the Flies). Matthew 3.20-27.
The year of 12 signs/months is commonly divided into seven months of summer (Aries thru Libra) aka God.
...and five months of winter (Scorpio thru Pisces) aka Satan.
We have God, the summer sun and Satan, the winter sun. They are one and the same sun.
Sounds like you’re confused why cops carry lethal power and appropriate use.
@@harveywabbit9541ok like he said cringe neo paganism still doesn’t answer anything
Thanks!
Appreciate the support!
"god's" judgments and punishments, are like taking a steam roller to an Amiba.
Lol!
This might not be exactly what happened, but didn't god flood in the entire Earth in Noa's arc or something? Because if so, I always wondered how you could justify that. If you are born 1 week before this, then how is it fair that you died. I saw someone in this comment section (or maybe on another video) say that you are a sinner until you believe in god. This would "justify" this (god flooding the earth), but I find it so funny that someone would believe that a baby deserves to die when its born.
@@Syffx. Right now where I am california we have no attack rain it's crazy here
@@Syffx. "but I find it so funny that someone would believe that a baby deserves to die when its born."
I've had religious people attempt to defend Slavery, Child Murder and Genocide; it's not so much funny, it's criminal.
People make the stupid claim that everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but say you come across a group cutting the head of a screaming 5 year old girl. They say, "It's her own fault; our belief system says that anyone wearing a red jumper must be beheaded, and she's wearing a red jumper!" Would you say that they are entitled to that belief? *There are real world examples of similar evil!*
These idiotic, infantile, illlogical, immoral, but above all, evil, cults have to go.
This is one reason why the _child abuse_ of bringing children up in _any_ religious/cult belief system needs to be recognised as such and banned.
We don’t (if we’re responsible) let children have access to porn or recreational drugs, so why is it legal to expose them to far more dangerous material, such as the torah, bible and qur’an?
@@Syffx.they believe this concept because it’s essential to the salvation complex. It’s our inherent sin, being passed down from Adam (which is totally fair 🙄) that corrupts us at our conception. So yes, in the minds of a vast majority of Christians, the baby who’s only a few months, few days, or few hours old is deserving of God’s ultimate wrath. It’s insane.
Oh cool, I just made a very similar point, I'm glad to see other people are pointing this out!
Yes someone just mentioned your video. I’ll have to check other out!
Why didn't God curse Lucifer after his rebellion and war in heaven with mortality like he did with Adam and Eve? And why no eternal torture in hell for the Devil but instead for sinful souls that have absolutely no knowledge about god or that this god even exists?
There's also this quite weird theistic view that the Devil (the bad guy who fyi did a war in heaven) has dominion over the earth and that God for some awfully weird reason "allows" or permits the Devil to have Dominion over it for reasons beyond human comprehension. So what this shows is not that God is evil but rather the many convoluted attempts of theists in trying to reconcile the evil that exists in the world with an omni benevolent god that the same people claim into existence.
You know why? Because Light shines brightest in the Darkness
@@Bojan12 God is being inconsistent here
whereas one would expect consistency
from a God. Why hold the Devil the embodiment of pure evil to a different
standard as compared to souls that are supposed to be tested by life to see if they worship God or the Devil all throughout their lives?
Now of course one of the Theistic explanation for why the Devil get's the feather padded glove treatment is that the Devil is a spirit being so therefore it/they fall under metaphysical punishments so it's "different" for them vs as how humans get judged by others and finally by God. This of course right off the bat contradicts how god punished the trickster snake (the Devil? and or just one demon minion of the Devil?) with a physical punishment to eat dust and crawl on it's belly. The Devil get's the special privilege treatment while for humans they are just one inch away from hell just by looking at another woman lustfully (in their heart-brains).
Humans want justice all the time however God does not seem to give a bother. And here we go again with the theistic excuses for why not such as all will be corrected and revealed in the fullness of time or some such b.s. So the counter argument to that excuse is that Jesus knows shit about time! Jesus says "soon" he will return to set up his kingdom on earth all within the life time of his apostles, some will not taste death and all that is underscored with "truly." So then any rational sane person would have to conclude that "soon" can mean any f-ing period of time (god is not the author of confusion you naughty sinners). It could be 1 second or 1000 yrs soon. So then as if contradictions do not exist in the bible theists waltz into claiming that God is also time-less (and space less) and we have no idea how metaphysical time works and only god knows that. So then why is Jesus still clueless about how time works when Jesus is supposed to be the son of God?
All these stories are all cool and all however
there has to be something...I don't know how else to say it but something useful about them such as promoting(!) freedom and just help (contra condemning) people in general.
But this just does not show up at all!
Christians for example go to war the exact same way as any other non Christians and non Believers (and of course non believers rarely go to war over such things such as evolution by natural selection). You can't be say a Communist-Atheist or Fascist-Atheist because it's a contradictory position to hold in both cases. If you are an atheist then war is immediately off the table even if the atheist knows nothing about evolution.
We are the same pond scum some billions of years ago...heh try to get an ideology out of that and make people fight against each other. Not gonna happen. And these humility parroting Christians are just annoying so they should shut the hell up with their blind virtue of "humility." You are poor because of the lack of technology not because it's some weird special plan of god just for you and it will all make sense after the heat death of the universe. People get cancer not because of sin but because of cells and entropy. Is that something evil?
Well the person has to decide.
17:44 - Oh I've been surprised by how many people disagree: many people think punishment is primarily meant as retribution, to almost... morally balance out the universe in some way.
Its so disgusting. Sadly its mostly believers i have heard this from. So much for grace.
Great video. Great logical reasoning. Your 'go-tos' of David and the Passover are always zingers...
Ha. Thank you! And yes ill be rotating in some new stories. Theres too many good ones to always stick with these.
I haven't watched yet.
I'm just so excited for this conversation/deep dive!!!
Hope it lived up to your expectations! Thanks for watching
Good video i fb shared it...it straight up says Yahweh-Jesus hardens Pharoahs heart every time
I truly hope Inspiring Philosophy sees this video! This comment is me helping the algorithm make it so!
I hope so too! Would love a dialogue
@14:55 it was at 15 in mid 00s when i realized i was more moral than my parents religion. it was over the debate of marriage equality. besides bowing a knee to AN interpretation of an anient text, i could see no good reason to deny marriage and every single reason why to support it as good.
That was awesome. Finally, a straight answer about this fundamental problem with a "holy" God.
Glad to hear it. Thanks!
Brandon buddy, we gotta talk about this idea I had for an episode called " In search of... the True Christian " I'm thinking American Gladiator/Survivor style show with tests and obstacles all based upon Bible criteria. Starting with simple things like a Pious Eating Contest, and ending with the harder ones like plucking out eyeballs and cutting off hands while healing the sick and casting out demons and moving mountains and such, but for the grand prize the have to handle snakes and drink poison, then if they survive all that they win a meeting with Jesus himself who then says to them, I never knew you, depart from me into everlasting torment, all your righteousness is just a bunch of filthy rags, and then the winner will say but Lord lord I performed miracles in your... Bup bup bup, Jesus interrupts saying are those clothes you're wearing? I said you must give EVERYTHING to the poor. Then the show ends with the winner walking away with a handful of filthy rags, and a one way ticket to Hel, (Poland)... anyways what do think?
That's really funny. I think it's also funny how not many Christians know of that line from Jesus and then after you tell them they instantly try to apologize it as meaning something other than what it explicitly says. Then there are a few Christians who do know this and it scares them because they have no idea if they are worshipping properly until death.
Lol! That was a wild and funny ride.
@@GameTimeWhyThat line makes sense if they knew the original intent of Jesus. The guy who created Christianity wrote the Book of Judas where it says Yahweh is NOT the god of Jesus. Yahweh is a god of fools who tricked people into worshipping it and doing its evil bidding.
Supposedly, the guy who invented Christianity actually read the Bible and concluded Yahweh is evil and incapable of creating anything good. So Jesus was going to come from a higher mysterious being. It would have been a pretty cool twist. Lol.
@@suicune2001 that would have been a cool twist. I have wondered since being a Christian if Satan could have written the Bible to make people hate god. Now i know it's just humans who wrote it and that the books use some pretty amazing psychological tricks to get scared and downtrodden people to join and then stay (for the most part).
@@GameTimeWhy It would make sense for the devil to create the Bible to trick people into doing clearly evil things. I've heard a couple people say things like, "the devil wouldn't dress up as some clearly bad person to try and trick you. He'd dress up as your local priest."
Slavery, rape, murder (in many instances), and physical abuse aren't even considered sins. What kind of moral structure is that??
The Taliban basically follow the commands of the Bible to a T and look how they are.
I enjoy when you digress. It’s always something very insightful.
Always excited to see a new video from you. I appreciate the work rate and consistency. Top tier!
Thanks so much!
Love that he immediately begins with “which translation? There are many to choose from 🤓” as if that isn’t absolutely and exclusively an argument against and not for Christianity.
Game, Set, Match.
Brandon, nice work.
Mark in Michigan
Haha! Thank you
Any god that could interfere with evil but chooses not to is still guilty in my book, so it really doesn’t matter what excuses apologists invent to defend their gods’s incompetence or indifference.
I invite you to read the Bible and learn about God.
Thank you, Brandon, for your sound and well thought out rebuttles to so many things bout the nature of the god of the Bible. And thank you for the respectful way you do it. Addressing the issue and the concept rather than attacking or belittling other people. Especially those on the opposite side than yourself in the conversation. THAT is both mature and respectful in nature. To bad the god of the bible did not operate in such a dignified manner when addressing those he considered his adversaries...especially since he supposedly created them out of omnipotent love and perfection on his part.
Appreciate that very kind feedback. Thanks!
"God doesn't create evil, but if he does, it's actually good that he does, so no, he doesn't!"
This video is a breath of fresh air. It’s a pleasure to hear you point out everything that’s so wrong about these apologetics. And as a side note, your beard is looking great!
Ha! Thank you so much!
Christian’s say “god gave us free will and didn’t want us to be robot” but what if I want to be a robot? If god is all good and perfectly loving then I would choose to be a robot to that gods will.
So I guess I don’t actually have the free will to decide just like I didn’t have the free will to even decide to exist. That decision was also made against my free will.
So god wants you to make your own decisions but he also want you to beleive something that’s proving itself to to be untrue and whose messengers are untrustworthy and intellectually dishonest.
Its all just pure cognitive dissonance. Mass confusion.
IP makes his living shilling for Jesus! $
Never mind in 1 Samuel when God sends his "evil spirit" to Saul multiple times
Yes! Great addition.
I liked Darkmatter2525's interpretation of the evil spirit - an amalgamation of Buzzfeed and Infowars
That is because King Saul had given himself over to rebellion against the Lord. The prophet Samuel told Saul what his problem was..."For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king.” (1 Samuel 15:23) And this is why the evil spirit at times came upon King Saul. "But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him." (1 Samuel 16:14)
@@christophergibson7155 "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" - 1 Samuel
Brings to mind a different quote. "During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after eight hundred years, gathered up its halters, thumb-screws, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood.
Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry.....There are no witches. The witch text remains; only the practice has changed. Hell fire is gone, but the text remains. Infant damnation is gone, but the text remains. More than two hundred death penalties are gone from the law books, but the texts that authorized them remain." - Mark Twain
That's still collaboration. If he's rejected from being king, just strip his titles from him.
As was never done to Torquemada, or numerous others. Not even, chastised?
Also, David slipped up, in the Bathsheba incident. And in 2 Samuel 24.
Both times, of course... other people, paid, with their lives, instead of him.@@christophergibson7155
22:32 "Before the CONCEPT of Heaven and Hell were around" P E R F E C T!!!! Deut: 28:63 Deut: 32: 20-25 Especially 25. Poor infants. Deut 32: 39 Good job Brandon.
Many thanks!
If he created Satan, and possesses both omnipotence and omniscience, he knew what Satan would turn into and he knew he had the power to change Satan so that would not happen and yet chose not to do so. It’s really hard to justify how an omniscient and omnipotent creator isn’t responsible for evil when by definition he’d have to be responsible for everything in the universe.
If he creates everything then that includes evil
Yeah. Also, if God didn't create evil, then who did? Us? Satan? And if either humans or Satan have the ability to create a force that rivals the goodness of God, I think it opens up a lot of philosophical questions about how powerful God even is. So, the way I see it, he either created evil and is therefore not all-good, or someone else created evil and he is therefore not all-powerful.
God created evil for his purposes. But he is not evil, for you are not what you create.
Because he created it, he controls it, and when he is done with it, God will destroy evil.
This is God's plan. We may not like it, but it is what it is, and we have to live with it.
The book of Job has a bit of a mythical feel to it. Nowhere else in the Bible do you hear about God sitting around shootin the breeze with someone. But in Job, God and the devil are just hangin out like friends. The devil kind of seems like Loki messing with Thor in the book of Job.
I get your drift, but the satan character doesn’t necessarily mean Lucifer. It’s a nondescript character aside from the role “accuser.” We could just as well name the character Ronan.
That’s why is appears to be more of a fable since there’s a lesson it’s attempting to convey.
@@BessieRiggs i agree
Mindshift, you should invite IP on for a discussion about various topics.
I do hope to star doing those more. Id love to discuss this topic with him
When did god become "outside of space and time"? I mean, in the old testament, he literally lived in the sky, which is why the whole story of the Tower of Babel happened. I mean they were trying to build a tower to reach god and he got mad that they were going to reach him. So did they build a stargate instead of a tower?
Lol yup. After the fact excuses made up by apologists of what god would have to be to somehow work lol.
The home of god evolved with each century. First he lived on the mountains. When we explored the mountains, he moved to the sky. When he explored the sky, he moved beyond the sky. When he explored space, me moved beyond space. All to excuse his absence.
A brilliant ananlysis, thank you!
Thanks so much!
I've been watching your videos for so long and I wasn't aware that am not subscribed to your channel.
Am really sorry it took me so long
Appreciate you watching and now joining. Thanks so much!
It's pretty hard to create evil if you don't exist.
Great video, you nailed it
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks!
16:40 A good point!
Thanks!
The Book of Job is the book that began my deconstruction. God and the Devil are just hanging out one day (I have SO many questions) and the Devil makes a bet with God that one of his believers only believes in him because of the life he provided for him. So, God just goes down and starts ransacking this man’s life…..to prove a point…..to the father of all lies. Like, God was NOT aware of what Lucifer was going to become? Didn’t know that this action would make him the bad guy in the morality tale? I thought God was all knowing. And, what does proving a point to the Devil prove to God, or you or me again??? If God did not “create” evil, he doesn’t seem to have a problem using it to prove a point. I always wondered what Lucifer would have been thinking in this story, watching this event play out. I can only imagine his character just wanting to burst out in laughter and bewilderment at how he played God like a fiddle.
Amen!
Exactly!!!
Some constructive feedback on the studio: it looks great. I’m not a big fan of a giant mic covering half your face, but not a huge deal. You could turn up the gain and back the mic off a few inches. The bigger issue is you have some really resonant frequencies (I think mid/low) that could be taken out with some EQ adjustment. It would improve the sound quality quite a bit.
Love the channel. Keep up the good work!
Appreciate the feedback!
He either created evil, isn't all powerful, or doesn't exist. Can anyone think of another option?
Only an 'all-powerful' God can be good and also create and control evil.
The YHWH character comes up quite short quite often. Box jellyfish is one.
Thank you for your excellent videos
My pleasure! Thanks for being here.
great video...thanks so much 🙂
Glad you liked it!
When I was a christian, I remember feeling very unemotional about morality. If you were to categorize God's definition of evil and good you begin to realize that what's good to God are just things he approves of. And things that are evil he disapproves of. And in terms of punishment, all who are not saved by repentance(whatever that means), though Jesus's blood, will go to hell. People who steal a penny, And those who brutally murder thousands of people will receive the same treatment. As a christian, this messed with my head. Good didn't mean as much as people normally think it to be because it's just what God approves of. And from my perspective, he arbitrarily chooses what he approves of. This worldview, I think, causes one's moral compass to lack nuance. God does emphasize certain wrongdoings over others, but the treatment in the final judgment remains the same.
Another clarification on the definition: good is what is obedient to God. Evil is what is disobedient to God. I apply this to my statement above equally.
The punishment is not the same at all even in the world however the end if it is which is complete destruction of once whole being from complete existence never to be again
Some Christians go out of their way to justify the evil deeds done by their sweetheart god.
God permits evil to happen, but he does not commit evil - sinful and fallen human beings do.
That is the difference.
Awesome podcast 👍😄
Thanks so much!
I like that watch brother, and the new set up is just too good! Thanks for all the heart you put into your content💯
Lovely to hear! Thanks so much
There was a video that I watched, unfortunately I don't remember who made it, but it was an atheist responsning to a Christian's video. In the Christian's video, they said that Christians all agreed on the basics of the faith and only disagree on the specifics. The atheist responded to the point by pointing out some major disagreements on the basics like "do you need to do good works to be saved?" He also said that there was a really early group of Christians who believed that the god of the old testament was an amazing evil god, but Jesus was the son of a good god. Your video reminded me of that piece of trivia.
I saw it worded once that God of the Old Testament was Lucifer who had corrupted the text to make the God of the Bible look evil. I thought the idea seemed unlikely, but it allowed me the chance to consider God’s actions in the Bible as potentially evil (rewritten as good as an apologetic).
Love this channel man. Your mic is hot when on your "s" sounds. Hurts my ears with my earbuds. Check your sibilance please. You rule
Thanks for the feedback. Been working on my audio and trying to hone it in.
If God created everything, then yes he did create evil. Even if people use the free will argument, it was God that made people inclined to do evil.
If we cant judge god by calling him evil, how can we judge him by saying hes good?
Saying something as good, evil or neutral are all judgements.
Great video! I love how you discussed the verse and broaden the context. I think one of the major issues facing Christians such as IP is they tend to read translations that “ lie” to them or muddle a meaning of a word if theologically inconvenient.
I use the NRSVUE to contrast the evangelical translation of the ESV.
”I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe; I the Lord do all these things.“
Isaiah 45:7 NRSVUE
”I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things.“
Isaiah 45:7 ESV
”Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that evil and good come?“
Lamentations 3:38 NRSVUE
”Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?“
Lamentations 3:38 ESV
If IP reads the ESV, IP will read a watered down version that attempts to portray YHWH in a better light. In Lamentations, evil is now bad and the order is reversed from evil and good to good and bad.
Do you really don't like IP schooling you, do you?
@@misterauctor7353 IP schooling me? I do not think you read my post carefully.
What troubles me the most is how can people believe that a perfect god created everything imperfect, a loving rightful god created evil and let it rule over earth and his supposed creation... Absurd!
Does not Light shine brightest in the Darkness?
@@Bojan12 So god created evil just to show off? And us to be his audience?
I do think that there is a higher standard on us that god doesn’t live up to. I’ve heard people talk about visions they’ve had where people died with unforgiveness in their hearts, and were being judged by god. It was a terrible scene. What is crazy to me is how people are being damned to hell by the same god that demands we forgive every offense, whether a person is sorry or not, but his forgiveness has its limits. We have to pray for our enemies, while god will eventually punish his. Now i dont want to hold grudges or harm anyone, but i believe in boundaries and people being held accountable. Not in a place like hell though. Its just too much. I think hell existing is a problem if you claim to be love itself. How can love conceptualize then create a place so dark, and for the purpose of torturing those it claims to love. Not creating “the lost” is more loving than letting them exist while hoping they love you back. You know they wont! How can you toy with their entire existence, while knowing they’ll be tortured forever! So sorry, i think im just venting now. Lol
Great points! I hear from Christians that we are supposed to become like Christ, but how can we do that when God can do so many things that we can't, as you pointed out.
If God didn't create evil and it appeared spontaneously (or as a byproduct of His creation), then He can't be all knowing or all powerful. If evil was not part of His creation, then He either didn't know it would appear or He didn't care. And once it did appear He didn't have the power to stop it, or He didn't have the desire to stop it. Any of these explanations is damning. Cheers.
As always f-ing brilliant Brandon. You have helped me so much with searching for truth on this topic as well as 1,000's of other people I'm sure. Always a pleasure watching ur channel.
Thanks so much for that!
This reminds me of another verse contrasting peace with evil in the KJV - Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. In the New American Standard it is "plans for prosperity and not for disaster". Agreed that it is unfair to insist the translation must be "evil" in either verse.
Would be interested to see a video on disease/infirmities. Just thinking about john 9:3, or leviticus 14:34 for some examples.
Takedown? More like a body slam!
Great episode
Can't wait til sbs
Haha! Thanks, my friend!
Home run my man! I love these videos, gives so much perspective. You should write a book 😊 also stop hogging all the smartness, share some of it with us dumb people 😂 have a awesome day
Too kind, my man! And it is a goal to write a book but i have no idea how to narrow a topic down lol. Maybe someday
The buck stops at the top. No way around that, especially for an omni-God.
It truly is this simple!
The idea that the Abrahimic God is an "Omni-God" is not actually the way this God is described in the texts.
The idea that "God" is Omnipresent and Omniscient is a religious apologetic that is not written anywhere in the Bible. The only time "Omni" is used in the Bible is Omnipotent which is only found one time in Revelations.
If you study the Bible you will see that God changes It's mind all the time. God regrets It's decisions all the time. This cannot be rationalized with Omniscience.
You will also see that God is isolated to specific locations such as 'walking in the garden of Eden', or 'up in the heavens', or 'seated at the right hand of God'. This cannot be rationalized with Omnipresent.
So if we were to assume that this God is all-powerful then we should not assume that a God which is all-powerful but not all-knowing would necessarily design a perfect creation just because this God is technically capable of doing so.
@@ObjectiveEthics Oh I'm aware of that. It's basically the end point of how he is imagined starting from a figure with very human characteristics - not unlike other gods of that era - until the more ethereal being of the New Testament that is pretty much incompatible with the previous texts. But that's the reality of what most people believe so that's what I'm working with... Would love to hear some believers say "don't blame God, he had no idea this would happen!" though for a change 😉
@@dasbus9834 Loving that last sentence you wrote! Hearing a Christian say that would absolutely make my day. "How could we expect God to predict this would all go off the rails. It's not like God's perfect."
God created Satan knowing full well that he would turn, so yes, God created evil…
Discipline is much different than punishment. Discipline shows us how to change things due to consequences. Plus there is a thing called restorative justice
example of the Kidspeak sentence, “Yo, it’s chill, bro.” I could have translated that sentence to my dad in a number of ways:
“Hey, it’s all good, man.”
“Listen, everything is okay, my friend.”
“You know what? The situation is copacetic, loved one.”
The specific words differ in all these translations. But even so, is there really any doubt about what “Yo, it’s chill, bro” is communicating? Whichever of these translations you use, what the sentence means is that my son wants someone with whom he is in a friendly relationship to be aware that he does not think his current situation is problematic; he’s satisfied with it. This can be used as a God example on different bible translations 👍🙏❤️
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament:
"I Jehovah, and there is none else, former of the light, and creator of the darkness; founder of peace, and creator of *evil:* I Jehovah am He who worketh all this."
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers:
I am JEHOVAH, and none else; forming light, and creating darkness; making peace, and creating *evil;
Lament 3 38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?
Deut 30 15 “See,I have set before you today life and good, death and *evil*
Strong's Number: 7451
bad, evil
Brown-Driver-Briggs
I. רַע226 adjective bad, evil
The thing that gets me is that once you realize that these were just DIFFERENT WRITERS and the apparent contradictions between them are DISAGREEMENT (or more charitably, differing interpretations), the Bible suddenly makes so much more sense while also falling apart as a holy work. Does God have a body or not? Some people say yes, some people say no. Can you see God? Some people say yes, some people say no. Is God merciful or wrathful? Some say merciful, some say wrathful; some say merciful at some times and wrathful at others, some say wrathful at some times and merciful at others. Is God responsible for everything or just everything good? Depends who is writing and what they want to say. This makes vastly more sense than "An omniscient God is trying to tell us about himself but can never get his own story straight," and redeems the Bible for its historical, social, and literary value. It isn't one confused book that has no idea what it's talking about, it's an array of books from a particular cultural and religious tradition that grows and changes and experiments. Just like in Hinduism, in Buddhism, heck, even in Mormonism (on a much shorter timescale).
The truth is, the apologists are sort of right: In many respects apparent scriptural contradictions *aren't* contradictions. They're just different opinions and takes. If we understand the lack of univocality we don't need to cite contradictory passages as if they're a "gotcha" anymore; we just acknowledge, well, these writers thought different things about theology, as people have for all of human religious history. And the scholarship is firmly with us on this, however much the contractual obligations of the specifically Christian scholars have to dance around outright saying so.
Yeah. Learning the history around the writing of the Bible and how Christianity was formed really takes the mysticism out of it. It all feels so political and man made.
Very nuanced take i dont often see in this comment section, i like it
ALL Xtian Excuse-makers:
Good things: Praise my god.
Bad things: Everyone else's responsibility BUT my god.
LOLZ
Or bad things are part of his "plan" which means Yahweh is an "ends justify the means" kind of villain.
@@suicune2001 Exactly. AND, by that "logic" god planned and executed The Holocaust - of his chosen people.
SMH
@@sanjeevgig8918Yep! But those people tell CHILDREN how Yahweh genocided the ENTIRE WORLD and try to spin it as justified. No wonder they believe QAnon BS or whatever as adults. They've been conditioned to believe whatever they're told.
One of my favorite channels, I know why, this is a sector of knowledge that deals with happiness, purpose of life, what is life all about? For year many have looked to God as Strong Man, Might Makes right, which makes sense in a barbaric, cave man, medieval survival mentality, even today with organized crime, "Hey, don't mess with Guido!", but does not track with a Loving Father, the God of Love, etc. Good vid, thanks.
22:04 Isaiah 47,11 there is the word calamity used later in the paragraph translation.What word was used in the original Hebrew?
Funny enough, it was not ra’ah. I meant to mention this but never got back to it. I really should script lol
Guy. I’ve liked you from the getgo! Surprise! My youngest Christian bro also listens to you! Get your reach 😘
So kind. Thanks, Rach. Appreciate you!
One thing that doesn’t get enough attention that I think this conversation brings to light is the fact that god revealing himself through written words is extremely problematic to the point that it ensures he’s the author of confusion. Why is it that an all-powerful and all-knowing being would choose written language as the means for us to know him post ascension when that method has a 100% probability to lead to misunderstanding? It makes no sense.
Have you done a video on "biblical parenting"? Just thought of it when you used correcting children's behaviour as an example of punishment.
It's something I've been meaning to go more in depth into, as I have heard a few Christian opinions on parenting that go against current research and data on child development, and developmentally appropriate parenting approaches.
It is on my list for sure!
Re: calamity, acts of destruction. All he does is say that God can use them to destroy evil, but that doesn’t matter unless ONLY evil is destroyed by calamities.
Great video ❤️
Many thanks!
If there is a omnipotent and omniwhatever being who created the universe, and there is evil, it exists because this being created it.
This right here!!
Kinda off topic here but what do you think of the story of Lillith? As always, I dont think I even need to watch the video to tell it's a masterpiece. Watching it anyways though.