*Ok, as a Japanese woman, I can see where “everyone” is coming from.* *Japanese people is just upset that “certain” westerners are always forcing their idealisms into our arts and culture.* *Anime is our product and it is created with our culture idealisms. If you don’t like my country’s media, then don’t consume it.* *It is not yours. Only the creator can decide who the fictional character is and what the character does.* *Stop forcing your idealisms into others’ cultures. Stop forcing media censorship, because “YOU” choose to be offended by it.* *And yes, I don’t care. You can change my color of my fictional avatar, but you can’t tell me how to live my own life! F Off!* *Hi Savii. Thanks for covering this. Appreciate you.* ❤️
@@rotmistrzjanm8776 Many of the people that complained here don't hold that, but they might have the "You should be glad that you even have us making fan art of oyur work" mentality.
I gotta disagree. This isn't "just" about one art piece. It's about a series of many pieces that one side got to dictate were/weren't racist. Specifically TO japanese artists. This one is just the straw that broke the camels back.
Which that’s fair too I mainly go over this because the fact that this is an issue to people is such a nothing burger. This one and the ones before it just make me laugh. Wish people would not throw out the race card so much it’s annoying on both ends
Well, it was mostly one-sided that being the ones who call racist over the mere few shades lighter skin tone police individuals. Usually, the artist goes off and apologizes for it, and life goes on, but mindsets don't change. This has been happening, basically 7 years at this point. The backlash has only just now been a "both-sides issue." So, in situations like this, it is best to understand the full extent of both sides. Or else you'll look pretty tone deaf to the situation. In another apology to make, it's like if the bullied kid finally fought back and started beating the snot out of the bully and you come here punished both because they both fought while you ignored the fact the bully did this for a long time and the kid just now defened himself from him. That's this situation present. (It might not fit one-to-one, but I bet this is a clear enough analogy to make here)
It also didn't help that alot of those art pieces just looked like basic simple edits, which I'd be worried wouldn't be seen as any differentfrom just tracing normally. Like the only one I remembered seeing and enjoying was a black Super Saiyan Goku because it looked like there was more effort put into it overall.
@@twentysecondcenturywomanIt's either black person bad or white person bad on social media. This hyper fixation on race and appearance really needs to stop.
@@savisenpaiiCannon busters is made by a black man who moved to Japan years ago and writes Manga. He has a few other series and has been studying Japanese culture and art and media history for years. He’s a good example of respectfully appreciating a foreign industry while bringing in his own influences
Little bit of context. The Asian artist community never had issues with people drawing their characters in different styles, races etc. The reason this changed is because twitter freaks in the west would constantly bombard Asian artists that made fan art of brown characters that for no reason were drawn a tiny bit lighter probably without extra thought behind it. They would seek problems where there were none. They basically got hunted by rabbid rabbies infected dogs(the west) and got harassed by any means possible. So after all that shit happening for multiple years, to no1's surprise, the Asian artists got fed up with it. And here we are now.
@@savisenpaii figured I'd mention this cause this hero hei video was the latest in a series of video's about this topic. So I thought some extra context would be handy ^_^
@@savisenpaii Additional context worth stressing is that Japan has ties with India going way back, and direct references aren't necessarily uncommon. So that will naturally lead to situations where a character may be drawn and colored to effectively fit a Indian. Ditto Hawaiians given Japan's fascination with Hawaii, and similar groups who have nothing to do with Africa... And these weirdos are effectively trying to declare them Africans. Ironically it would be analogous to them declaring you African, and that they needed to "fix" your model to reflect that. Given Pre-Historic Mongols->Native Americans->South Americans means you have darker skin due to descending from a darker skinned Asiatic group, like their usual targets.
@@savisenpaii this has been going on since the days of Tumblr, they only came to Xitter when NSFW was banned from that platform. And now it has expanded to Bsky.
Chud is the derogatory version of “Chad.” The left tried to use it to label their opponents, like everything the left uses, it became a badge of honor.
@@savisenpaii Hadn't heard that connection with "chad," but was aware that there's a a pair of low budget films named "C.H.U.D." from the 80s and that seems to get acknowledged in relationship to that a lot. The short version is in their intent is they're declaring people who don't agree with them to be not human... Historically it's of course not _that_ uncommon for groups to look to dehumanize opponents to enable justification of things they otherwise would recognize they shouldn't do, but... This is tending to be on the more extreme end of that.
@@jebe4563 I doubt the people saying chud know anything about those movies since they don’t watch movies, play games, read manga or comics, or do anything that’s actually fun.
@@hieronimzmora4153 I put that in the same category of Chai tea. Chai is tea, tea is tea. Chai tea mean that specific of tea. Same as anime. Anime is animation, animation is animation...You get it.
I like Savii's chill attitude but I think she rides the fence post a little too hard here. It is not brain rot to have an opinion that you don't want Twitter afrocentrists changing everyone else's culture to be theirs. And it is not brain rot to take 3 seconds to post a tweet or give one a like. Lots of people do this thing where whenever it comes time to have an opinion on something, they just beat everyone else over the head with "you have an opinion that's cringe." One edit: the "Twitter freaks" don't matter has the same energy as "it's just college campuses". They aren't just on Twitter, they are your HR, your government official, you mayor.
This, i feel the same "fence riders" would be upset if a trend started of taking black characters from many different medias and making them white or asian....at only the side doing it, not the side complaining. It's fine to complain when someone is being ridiculous, saying your just as bad is a dumb take. It's the same mentality of the teacher punishing both the bully and the child being bullied because "they both need to stop"...no one child is a bully and a problem and the other is trying to stop the assault.
As silly as it is, this wasn't just because of the art piece. It's the years of hypocrisy where Japanese artists always get harassed just because of skin tone. This was years of this, and it wasn't until recently when the Japanese had enough. So it wasn't really both sides.
This. They (JP artists) can't have any skin-tone in their art that isn't considered "fair". Nagatoro? She's tanned, but Western (specifically brainrot artists) will consider her "black" when she's not. Then there's the constant harassment of JP artists when they dare to lighten pigmentation on characters for a variety of reasons (lighting, style, etc.) but then the same people will blackwash established "fair skinned" characters and get upset when people call that action out.
C.H.U.D. is the title of an 80s horror movie. It stands for Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller. It's evolved into an insult meaning a basement-dweller.
@savisenpaii It's not a bad watch, honestly. A tad slow in places, but has that old gritty New York feel and a great cast. It's a fun monster movie if you're in the mood for that kind of thing.
27:46 sav, its not "just art" its a cultural clash. And the very tolerant Japanese have starting to say enough is enough and are fixing to go completely isolated again
@@zaxscat5357 I think it’s completely fine with that if peeps in the west going to act like this I think you can do whatever you desire with your creation. Just makes me laugh knowing the big picture of all this is a drawing but ehhhh people like to fight over anything haha
@@savisenpaii I don't understand how you're so hyperfixated on the argument starting with a drawing. It seems like there are several comments explaining to you how that's not the root cause of the issue. If you really think that the big picture is about the drawing then damn, man. At least try to think about it more.
I understand that some care deeply about their own race. But why appropriate other races and skin colors? Something off about that. Make your own characters from scratch! Nuff said.
I mean its fun and fine if you're just doing it for silly shits and giggles like for fan art or whatever, its when you hold double standards or try to "fix" shit is when it actually becomes a problem.
@@darcidious99 I'd argue that as long as the artwork is original (is not based on anyone's established pieces but still use established characters if they really want to) it's fine to an extent. But if you're tracing and "fixing" it, then it's a problem for sure.
Bro the fence sitting in this video is outrageously high. Black people started it and Japanese people got fed up with the double standards and hypocrisy. But some how both are wrong ??? ok LMAO
@@savisenpaii but it is a problem. Black people attack Japanese artist every time they draw a dark skin character and harass them to the point that most Japanese artists delete there twitter cause of how much hate they get. What did you expect Japanese people to do ? Just take it and say nothing ?? Obviously there gonna fight back and call out the hypocrisy and double standard. It’s ignorant to say “both” are wrong when one is the aggressor and the other is just tired of the bullshit they have to deal with.
@ I’m not saying I like that this is happening I wish it would stop because if people would just take a minute and a step back and see what they are actually arguing about it would be so silly. Not main core issues in the world just pixels but ya I am not on the team on either side here just people be good to people ezpz
@@savisenpaii I think it's better to at least understand why one side would react a certain way and how different their decision would be had it not happened. In this case, the Japanese people didn't really change their mind, their idea was still "either all is allowed or none of it is, you (the people w/ double standard) made this happened". You are a bystander, it's better if you can see what they're doing rather than **Judging Them FIrst** because of your idea. It's Understanding, it helps. In this case, it's preferable as nuances exists and people want at least some acknowledgement about that, here it's like "there's a reason why this situation happened, i hope you can understand that".
Respectfully L opinion. You focus mostly on this one picture and not the entire trend of japanese discrimination they receive from the west. They arent hyper focusing on the Dan da Dan picture becuase its insanely bad, are mad in general but can finally do something when its an anime VA perpetuating it.
@@TomTucker4157 I have been informed about the history and pics as of the last hour. I do go in blind with these reacts does not mean I don’t feel strongly about BOTH groups fighting over pictures just find it silly.
This comment is a complete L tbh Japanese people have hade nothing but love from the west. It’s actually the other way around. That the discrimination comes from and since that one guy Johnny something it’s only got louder.
This may rub some people the wrong way, but the original creator of a work, wrote/drew/created a character a certain way. For someone to come after and CHANGE it is disrespecting THAT ORIGINAL Creator and their vision. If you cannot have your creations stand up on their own merits, don't you DARE take another creators' vision and change it to fit your perceived notions or narratives. To do so is both LAZY and DISINGENUIOUS. Do not race or gender swap a character in an attempt to "Reach a broader audience" or for "Inclusion". LEAVE THE ORIGINAL WORKS ALONE. You can expand upon them, by creating new characters, but you DO NOT have the RIGHT to change those characters just because you want to. If your new characters do not resonate with the audience, that is on YOU, and your lack of writing a compelling character. You DO NOT change the original vision that made the works popular in the first place, just because you want to.
No artist has ever "fixed" anything. Redrawing characters in different races or genders. Drawing characters in different art styles? Cool Awesome stuff. It didn't fix anything cause you can't fix what was never broken.
This isn't just because of the dandandan art. This has happend because of years of artists "darkening" characters (often by tracing which the dandandan person does), followed by rhe absolute freakout if anyone thinks a 'dark' chatacter is lightened. Literally these people claim blackwashing is the moral thing and whitewhashing is evil.
The way I've always considered how anime is seen is kinda like how most Italians don't consider American pizza "real pizza" but we consider all pizza to be pizza. All animation is anime for Japan, but anime is a specific art style with specific tropes and typically specific cultural differences in America. Idk about the skin color thing nowadays tho, I always found it weird but it was how people have fun. Now (or post 2019) its hard to gauge if the person is making the art for legitimate fun or because of their beliefs. There was an art mutual on my main that had a huge thing for Mina Ashido. At first people kinda assumed he was just drawing her black for fun, but eventually he went mask off and just started shaming people who assume she was japanese and saying his head canon is the correct head canon. All because her hairstyle looks like an afro. My problem is when people try to force head canons on others and always will be. Fun fact: anyone actually interested in japanese culture would know that perms are very popular in Japan. This doesnt really add much but i feel like it should be brought up because a lot of hairstyles probably escist because of that. Unless you're Oda
Nope I never talked to a Japanese person born and raised in Japan that thinks all animation is anime the separate anime and cartoons the past localizers gas lit us into thinking that’s what they by telling us Japanese cartoons are anime.
Oh please any body that says they see nothing wrong with Asian and European characters being race swapped will throw hissy fit or African characters being race swapped.😂
This is what i've been saying for a while now. People say "draw what you want" and that's all well and good, however the people doing the anime race swaps do not share this sentiment.. they were the people that would skin you alive if you DARED to even draw a character with the SLIGHTEST of lighter skin tones. "Whitewashing is bad but Blackwashing is a-okay." This is the problem, the hypocrisy, the only reason ANYONE is talking about ANY of this is because of the race freaks cried about color pallets and lighting calling it racist an whitewashing, and it seems so many people, on youtube & twitch don't get it..!
@@savisenpaii The whole point is that many people act like this all just came out of nowhere, when in reality 90% of them just don't have the context. This is an ongoing issue where people will attack others for doing one thing, then turning around and doing the same thing in reverse and nobody says a word. it's infuriating! Rules for thee not for me, f**k no! Either it's all okay or none of it is! Hope I shed some light on the issue at least a little with these two comments. Aside from all this, I love your content!
@@dreymak4071 ya I think I brought it up before but I think we will always have some kinda race issue till the dawn of time it’s usually a lot of people’s first thing they hit. I just want people to be good people and if someone said I fixed it there wrong lol. Also thank you
I find it funny that people say that its racist to get mad that they make characters black but if you make a black character a different race those same people lose their minds and threaten nonstop
Respect for having your own stance, yeah, this was pretty much my exact thoughts on it. I remember a while back a teen artist drew a Rose Quartz from Steven Universe and the community freaked the fuck out because she drew her slightly skinier than her original design, it got so bad the artist almost off'd herself. Here we are with this story and I'm like ''how is this fucking different?'' Completely locos de la cabeza (I love how you pronounce it btw)
How Brazilian Miku is well received by the Japanese and others, but this triggers negative emotions from the Japanese saying it all. I mean, everyone creates their version of Miku to follow the trends. The intention and attitude mean something. Indeed, it is a non-issue on the Internet, after all. No matter how you put it, obnoxious people make others angry.
@@xN0XvRVLEZx It’s complicated. Vtubers are like the new no-face UA-camrs, and not everyone comes from the otaku or weeb communities. I get why some might see this as a non-issue, especially if they’re looking at it as a single event. And yes, most Twitter dramas are dumb af. However, for Japanese artists and some of us who’ve been in these communities for a long time, this isn’t just a one-off thing. We’ve seen situations like this happen over and over again, and each time it chips away at something. That’s why it feels like a bigger deal than it might seem to someone outside looking in.
2:04 My policy is “allow it all or ban it all” because this conditional “historical context” justification makes me deeply upset as it’s often used as an excuse for abhorrent behavior.
I'll never understand why alot of people seem to think something can't be racist as long as its against a race they consider socially acceptable. Racism is racism thats literally it.
32:57 probably the best animated movie disney ever did was the robin hood movie with anthropomorphize animals depicting every character. Solves all the race problems it just instead encourages people to become furries
Something I remembered just now. When they took Ariel from the Little Mermaid and race swapped her, taking the character of an ethnically caucasian origin and turning her black, there was very little backlash. When someone decided to draw Puss in Boots as a human, who was clearly of Spanish decent--NOT MEXICAN--and was a few shades whiter than me, EVERYONE was up in arms. Because, apparently, everyone who speaks Spanish needs to be colored the same color as America's southern neighbors. The ignorance and bigotry of the people who decry it astounds me to no end.
I'm going to say this in regards to the JP "overreaction," turnabout is fair play. They didn't make the rules, they're just now abiding by them. What do I mean? JP artists have been harassed for years by the same Xitter weirdos that are all for pandering on a surface level that does nothing at all and basically "asset flipping" or tracing official art and then "fixing" it in their eyes. Those people can only take, they cannot create something from the heart themselves so they have to take it from others. And to be frank, I'm all for JP artists "revolting" against it. No one should be forced to change their art because of what a few weirdos have been saying or doing to them. And to be honest, I find it funny in an ironic way that's entertaining for me. I'm not going to stoke the flames, but I am going to sit back and laugh as the cows finally come home to roost.
i made a video saying the same thing trust me on this please don't make anyone change your mind on this you are right, this is not ok for Japanese people to be harassing this random girl over over some skin changing 90% of the people talking about this literally are just sitting there thinking Japan = good and won't realize that this is just plan hypocrisy, no art was "fixed" cause the creator didn't calm to fix the art the worst thing she did was basically "agree blackwashing is not real" which i don't agree but that's her opinion she's allowed to have it, and sell black edits which yeah is scummy but tbh she's just some teen on the internet it's not that deep (and i think it's just recoloring anime and i don't think big animations studios are gonna be hurt by this) thank you for having a normal take on this and not, oh Japan is based or Japan is good and can do no evil, like they're doing what the bad people are doing it's not good
This is objectively not a both sides issue, and no Savii, it isn’t a nothingburger. Only one side is editing skin color of a character and then saying “I fixed it”.
first off i found you like....i think yesterday or the day before. second off i partially agree with you on most of this but at the same time i have to say that i disagree with you about them getting fired. i 100% think they should be fired. not cuz i actually care about the art race swapping the characters but because like you said because the way they acted was 100% a brand risk. they should 100% be fired and the studio should look for a different person to dub the voices. either way the reason i subbed is cuz i love that your vtuber persona has so much movement and i think the character is so animated compared to other vtubers ive seen whos arms just stay at their side the entire time. i like that and i agreed with most of the points you make....so keep doing your thing. just had to put in the 1 thing i disagreed about.
I know someone pointed it out in the comments. But yea once again wanna confirm the Japanese used to not care. But extremes cause other extremes and fire spreads. My personal take it its either no one can race swap or everyone can.
They won’t come up with a new story. Mainly because they have no originality or creativity. That’s why they race swap with no real change to the overall story.
I think you’re a bit off on your judgement but like on the peripherals. Japan has different laws and cultural norms with art than the US. Like tracing and selling traced work is not legal in Japan. I think this is a result over the last few years of death threats against Japanese artists. It really got bad during lockdowns and it hasn’t returned to normal since. 27:52 anthropologically, they are racist. Ignorance is the basis of racism and they are ignorant. Racism requires doubling down on it, or as you said earlier that performative back peddling. I’ve had to take too many courses on this stuff for work and my degree.
Theres a quote somewhere i recall don't argue with stupid because they'll beat you with their own experience and drag you down to their level. I've seen people throw the its just a drawing calm down and these people go throw the whole " a drawing of what!?!?" Just seems they do want the attention and not be in the wrong when it comes to debates even as crazy as a drawing. I remember on twitter a Japanese artist drew nessa the water gym leader of the new Pokémon games and someone said there i fixed it for you! The artist said that was wrong and not your right to do it. The person literally told them its" their right" and to put the artist in their place which is pretty messed up thing to say. Yeah overall i don't bother because how insane twitter can be and the people I've met who uses it
I think its ok to mess with a character design as long as the intention is "for fun." Like its one of your favorite characters and you just think it would be fun/funny if like they genderswapped them. They don't think its a better version they are just goofing around. When it has a "I fixed it" or "my version is the true version!" mentality is when it gets really bad.
I don't really disagree with people doing fan reskins of characters. What I DO disagree with is calling it "an improvement" as if they know better than the original artist. I wouldn't even call it "fanart" at that point because it shows contempt of the original piece and artist for the "fan's" stupid agenda.
As a weeb I'm not affected since I only watch original Japanese content in Japanese, but I hope they stop ruining it for the rest of the world. I hear the western gaming industry is already destroying the appearance of female characters in video games even in Japan which sucks. I tried to escape the west by moving to Japan and I feel like the west is still trying to encroach on me
Remember. This whole thing started because a few months ago, a Japanese artist drew a picture of marina from splatoon 3 but she had lighter skin and twitter people freaked out on him and someone responded with a splatoon art pretty much talking about cutting the artist life short and the artist deleted the marina art and apologized. When Japanese people got mad over that dandadan art alot of them and i think shin (the one comment that's very popular) all brought up the marina situation. Pretty much saying how they got mad over marina having light skin from the artist and but wont do anything for the dandadan art. Also the dandadan artist that changed their skin color Also is facing controversy because they traced the pictures and are telling people if you trace over their trace work then you have to pay them
I agree with you when it comes to race swapping, but I would also add that if the actor of a film or show can embody the spirit of the character despite not being the same race as the source material then it shouldn’t be an issue. The only time this doesn’t work, in my opinion, is when there are traits about the character that are specific to their race; Ex: A Nigerian man in the 1600s can’t be played by an Indian man.
those "Twitter freaks" are the same people w pronouns in bio that are the creative directors of modern video games, the the designers, the consultants, the journalists, the ceos. lots of them aren't nobodies, and they keep ruining content for everybody
i dont care that they drew the characters black...i care that they drew the character black after YEARS of complaining about whitewashing. its only ok when THEY do it.
I'm an artist, and I honestly don't understand these people's minds, you have the power to draw literally anything, you can create a character with an incredible story that can still represent you, but instead you prefer to limit your techniques to redesigning original characters just to satisfy your narcissistic ego of seeing a character (curiously always a popular character) physically similar to you. ... anime doesn't have that many black characters, but I always find one who is extremely cool and sometimes even more charismatic than the protagonists, it seems that it's not a question of “right and wrong” but of jealousy.
People don't really have an issues with "raceswaps" it is mostly the chronically online that seems to take issues with this. The situation with the DanDaDan color change is mostly because of double standards. God forbid drawing a shade lighter characters like the splatoon girls or Nessa from Pokemon, but this one is praised. As for the voice actors that swapped their pfps we all know why they did it, for virtue signalling and when they couldn't take the heat anymore they quickly changed and ran to blusky. Which is just another indicator that they know they did something wrong, but don't want the accountability.
I think the dude just liked the art, especially since he himself is a black person who voiced the character. Like many have said it truly is just an overly zealous crowd on Twitter who gets too aggravated about fan drawings. Pretty much no one you meet irl is having a melt down over a completely fan made made work that isn't claiming to "fix" something about the original work.
The drama has been mostly 1 sided. Many Japanese artists have been harassed and threatened over the past few years whenever they draw something that doesn't match with a specific character. This time around its the opposite. Its just Twitter people being extremely toxic and stupid.
I think if they gave the people in the picture blonde hair and blue eyes and pale skin they would not have criticized it or make them goth or alt hell throw a reverse pentagram on they would love it
37:03 Chud is the name of a movie. The way those type of people use? That was only recently. Just assume anyone who unironically uses it is mentally challenged
Oh god this whole drama is just so stupid😂. Listen when it comes to fan projects/cosplay or whatever in a nice normal world people should be allowed to do whatever they want. The problem is (and this is the root issue of most of these modern race related issues) that they always develop into double standards. Manga artist changes nessa from pokemon's skin color to be ever so slightly lighter in an animated episode? Black erasure and theyre awful people. Taking manga art and making characters darkskinned fat and hideous? "Fixing it". Race swap a white redheaded character into a black character? Great. Flip the script? Thats white washing and reinforcing racist ideology. Samurai jack's voice actor is perfectly fine even though they arent the same color or culture, but cleveland brown's old voice actor is problematic. Of course I guess nowadays in the west asian people are also held to "white status" with being labelled as "privileged" so... I mean at least theyre consistent in their stupidity. We constantly SAY we want equality, while then providing clear biases and favoritism for people of certain backgrounds and condemning others in areas where their skin color or sex doesnt matter at all like art or voice acting especially. And when you enforce double standards onto people for too long, well look at that twitter is having another race war... Must be a day ending in Y. And for the record in those examples, Im 100% fine with samurai jacks VA, Im 100% fine with people race swapping characters in art for fun and seeing how it would look, let black guys and white guys both cosplay astolfo so I can see cute guys playing dress up. But I am so sick of seeing double standards and hypocrisy every way I look.
When I hear "it's about the culture" I'm thinking more along the lines of Japanese culture being targeted by the west. Example such as western media demanding more censorship for games, manga, and anime coming out of Japan, double standards on social media when it comes to fan art, payment processors like Master Card and Visa revoking payment processes from companies related to the anime industry, and the United Nations demanding Japan to make anime and manga more "Diverse and Inclusion". This is just a snippet of topics Hero Hei has covered throughout the past year or two. I understand that it's just a picture, but the picture means more than five cents it's worth. Also, after Hero Hei's last video, Japan seems to be done putting up with this behavior. And they should be.
I think it needs to be said that this isn't just something going on in a vacuum and the race thing is just the straw that broke the camel's back. Japan has more or less been under assault from certain elements of western media and culture trying to exert their will on Japanese art and culture for a few years now, with the most atrocious and unforgivable probably being the parade of disrespect that was/is Assassin's Creed Shadows. To give an idea of reasons why Japan was pissed at that, there was the rewriting of Japanese history by westerners, the 1:1 recreation of a Buddhist statue/shrine that explicitly forbids such recreations in just about all media, and the use of the Sannō Shrine Torii Gate in their advertising. For those who don't know, the Sannō Torii Gate, more commonly referred to as the one-legged Torii gate, is famously the only part of the shrine/temple complex to survive the *atomic bombing of Nagasaki* at the end of World War II. If memory serves there were members of the Japanese government who were discussing treating it as a diplomatic incident because of just how seriously and frequently the game disrespected and abused their culture. Ubisoft essentially using a cultural symbol of one of Japan's greatest tragedies to market a game that was already hostile to Japan in basically every way made the entire country increasingly hostile towards outsiders trying to tell them how to make their manga, shows, and games to the point where the people of Japan now have a (rightfully) low tolerance for the threats, intimidation, and bullying directed at anyone from their country that does anything to remotely offend western consumers and media.
Hey @SaviSenpai , how do you spell the "you're stupid with a capital R" sentence in your language? I think you're saying "loca laca cereza" but I dont know if I got it right. I really like that phrase, would love to know how to say it in both languages
If you have to “fix” something (I.e. someone’s art), it should tell you that you have the wrong idea of the art and disrespecting the artist. You shouldn’t compensate with your insecurities and project onto others just because you feel inferior due to what you maybe lacking.
Someone smarter than me needs to do a look back on 80's anime. (Doing woke right) From what I remember, not all, but some of the shows had; gay characters, cross dressing, and other LGBTQ+ people that elude me. They were never the "bad" guys, but friends of the MC. I know that was a big reason anime couldn't go main stream back then. Anime didn't make a big deal about it either. (They used humor over confrontation. ) I really want to thank anime for doing its homework on subjects they want to include in the plot / story. Violet Evergarden was a big help in allowing me to get past... being medically retired from the army. (And also showed PTSD and other battlefield trauma in a respectful and educational way.) For a down and dirty / in your face education in understanding your veteran / military friend went through, I suggest, Attack on Titan. Also educational in both mental health issues from the battlefield, but how a first time deployment to a war zone goes. Most of the world is NOT a melting pot like the US. (I know, that term is not allowed anymore.) Its also why, we do well in most Olympic events and, should of been allowed to take on covid in a more offensive manner. We should be celebrating our genetic diversity. (History note, we had laws against mixed marriages back in the day.) It turns out, a mixing of all the "races," is the superior result than the idea of a "master" race. Back on track. Japan is one of the most difficult countries to immigrate to. You can visit, just not allowed to plant roots. I believe anime will always reflect that aspect of the country. (The true bloods vs the foreigners.) That seems to be a constant theme of someone from another country transferring to a school in Japan. And then dealing with the friction that follows. Its poor form for one country to continue to impress our values onto another. (At the end of WWII, Japan did its best to clone itself to a copy of the USA.) As the generations come and go, that way of thinking has faded. Bottom line anime is from Japan, for Japan. Love it or just make the version of what you want.
Arcane is not an anime. If I'm going to be generous, animé is if the animated show is catered primarily to a Japanese audience. For example if a black man makes an animated show that's primarily catered towards a Japanese audience, it's an animé.
8:58 i dont know about that. I dont think that its ridiculous at all. Pointing out a dumb double standard douesnt make someone ridiculous. Its more of a ridiculous situation. The person there is actually making a valid point imo
It's also literally just traced one-for-one with nothing added other than the hair and skin color. That's my issue with it. If it was a different pose rather than a new hairstyle and skin color and added shading, then I'd support the work. They are implying they've fixed it without saying it.
@@Taz-ey4jl Anyone that feels so strong about what color a picture is might need to see a therapist about why the scary picture made them mad. Both sides need to relax and maybe worry about things that actually matter
i dont really care about arts in general so all these art "edits" is whatever to me. but the one thing that tick me off is the hypocrisy and double standards. and this VA and the artist that make the "edit" just reek of it.
also the reactions from Japanese isnt as simple as Twitter brain rot. as a culture, the Japanese have immense respect for artists. any artist with acknowledged art works will be addressed with the honorific of "sensei", which can be translated to "master", as in master of their respective profession.
Sorry for the comment spam. But last thing is I believe it is somewhat justified for people to care. Letting people constantly harasss you and your community. Is how you get stepped over.
Each time you say "I could care less" it affects me in the same way as nails on a chalkboard. That means you do care, and you say it a lot lol. What I really wanted to comment on in this situation was that the race swapped art is done by someone that takes art from others and race swaps it then sells it. The person that said they fixed it just literally had the original art. That's what they found offensive at first. How the voice actor then planted himself in the middle and started stuff with those people was unnecessary. Completely unnecessary and unprofessional and rude. He could just go and apologize and it would take all the wind out of their sails. Instead, he doubled down and tripled down then ran away and called them racist for not seeing things his way. 😮💨 We've had this culture for the past...16+ years? Where people tell you "hey, this offends me in this way" and what we've been told is that if we don't stop and correct our actions immediately, we're in the wrong and acting in a way that is socially unacceptable.
Tbh most are probably bots lol, but I could really care less about what people want to do with the art. But yeah, there's always those double standards ... 😅
Tbh I used to care I don’t anymore. I want to see a black anime character and there barely are any so I’m gonna pick a character I like and make them black. If you don’t like it don’t look I don’t care dude I’m so done with this tbh I don’t care now I’m not one of those people that say I fixed the art or anything I don’t see many black anime boys that’s all.
I think the voice actor thing pretty dumb. The VA read the sorce material and loves the character. He saw an edit of the character he voices and loves that black like him then choose it as his pfp. Like ther nothing weird or wrong about that and he had to drop everything and delete it due to the harassment and death threats. Anyone making it a big deal pretty weird
@@OneofmanyASMR are you dumb or just blind ???? He said nobody should voice black character except black people cause “MuH cUlTuRe” and yet the only reason he’s known is for voice acting ASIAN CHARACTERS IN ANIME. He’s not a victim he’s a hypocrite and a racist.
@@OneofmanyASMR are you blind ???? He said nobody should voice black character except black people cause “MuH cUlTuRe” and yet the only reason he’s known is for voice acting ASIAN CHARACTERS IN ANIME. He’s not a victim he’s a hypocrite and a racist.
*Ok, as a Japanese woman, I can see where “everyone” is coming from.*
*Japanese people is just upset that “certain” westerners are always forcing their idealisms into our arts and culture.*
*Anime is our product and it is created with our culture idealisms. If you don’t like my country’s media, then don’t consume it.*
*It is not yours. Only the creator can decide who the fictional character is and what the character does.*
*Stop forcing your idealisms into others’ cultures. Stop forcing media censorship, because “YOU” choose to be offended by it.*
*And yes, I don’t care. You can change my color of my fictional avatar, but you can’t tell me how to live my own life! F Off!*
*Hi Savii. Thanks for covering this. Appreciate you.* ❤️
@@MelRetro yeah maybe that's resoult of "Artist loose their art the moment they publish it" philosophy
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Isn’t commercial tracing illegal in Japan?
@@rotmistrzjanm8776 Many of the people that complained here don't hold that, but they might have the "You should be glad that you even have us making fan art of oyur work" mentality.
I gotta disagree. This isn't "just" about one art piece. It's about a series of many pieces that one side got to dictate were/weren't racist. Specifically TO japanese artists.
This one is just the straw that broke the camels back.
Which that’s fair too I mainly go over this because the fact that this is an issue to people is such a nothing burger. This one and the ones before it just make me laugh. Wish people would not throw out the race card so much it’s annoying on both ends
Well, it was mostly one-sided that being the ones who call racist over the mere few shades lighter skin tone police individuals. Usually, the artist goes off and apologizes for it, and life goes on, but mindsets don't change.
This has been happening, basically 7 years at this point. The backlash has only just now been a "both-sides issue."
So, in situations like this, it is best to understand the full extent of both sides. Or else you'll look pretty tone deaf to the situation.
In another apology to make, it's like if the bullied kid finally fought back and started beating the snot out of the bully and you come here punished both because they both fought while you ignored the fact the bully did this for a long time and the kid just now defened himself from him.
That's this situation present.
(It might not fit one-to-one, but I bet this is a clear enough analogy to make here)
It also didn't help that alot of those art pieces just looked like basic simple edits, which I'd be worried wouldn't be seen as any differentfrom just tracing normally. Like the only one I remembered seeing and enjoying was a black Super Saiyan Goku because it looked like there was more effort put into it overall.
Redhead characters in superhero comics:
First time?
The casting department are dyslexic and got confused when they saw the word "ginger character".
@@darcidious99 lol
Bro they literally change them all to black 😭
@@twentysecondcenturywomanIt's either black person bad or white person bad on social media. This hyper fixation on race and appearance really needs to stop.
You had one job bro
People should create their own characters instead of changing the pigmentation of an established character
☝This.
That requires a modicum of self-awareness and creativity to do, and these weirdos can't even manage that.
I too would like to see new and original characters
Did you UA-cam delete my comment?
@@savisenpaiiCannon busters is made by a black man who moved to Japan years ago and writes Manga. He has a few other series and has been studying Japanese culture and art and media history for years. He’s a good example of respectfully appreciating a foreign industry while bringing in his own influences
If it’s not okay for certain races to change the race of a character, it’s not okay for any race to do it
I just hate how we put a saying of we can but you can’t let’s make everything equal either it’s all okay or none ezpz
Little bit of context.
The Asian artist community never had issues with people drawing their characters in different styles, races etc.
The reason this changed is because twitter freaks in the west would constantly bombard Asian artists that made fan art of brown characters that for no reason were drawn a tiny bit lighter probably without extra thought behind it.
They would seek problems where there were none. They basically got hunted by rabbid rabbies infected dogs(the west) and got harassed by any means possible. So after all that shit happening for multiple years, to no1's surprise, the Asian artists got fed up with it. And here we are now.
It’s always the twitter freaks. Thanks for educating me I must of jumped into the matter half way in haha.
@@savisenpaii figured I'd mention this cause this hero hei video was the latest in a series of video's about this topic. So I thought some extra context would be handy ^_^
@@savisenpaii Additional context worth stressing is that Japan has ties with India going way back, and direct references aren't necessarily uncommon. So that will naturally lead to situations where a character may be drawn and colored to effectively fit a Indian. Ditto Hawaiians given Japan's fascination with Hawaii, and similar groups who have nothing to do with Africa...
And these weirdos are effectively trying to declare them Africans. Ironically it would be analogous to them declaring you African, and that they needed to "fix" your model to reflect that. Given Pre-Historic Mongols->Native Americans->South Americans means you have darker skin due to descending from a darker skinned Asiatic group, like their usual targets.
@@savisenpaii this has been going on since the days of Tumblr, they only came to Xitter when NSFW was banned from that platform. And now it has expanded to Bsky.
Chud is the derogatory version of “Chad.” The left tried to use it to label their opponents, like everything the left uses, it became a badge of honor.
Ohhhhh thank you for educating me there is so many terms I don’t know
@@savisenpaii Hadn't heard that connection with "chad," but was aware that there's a a pair of low budget films named "C.H.U.D." from the 80s and that seems to get acknowledged in relationship to that a lot. The short version is in their intent is they're declaring people who don't agree with them to be not human...
Historically it's of course not _that_ uncommon for groups to look to dehumanize opponents to enable justification of things they otherwise would recognize they shouldn't do, but... This is tending to be on the more extreme end of that.
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I doubt the people saying chud know anything about those movies since they don’t watch movies, play games, read manga or comics, or do anything that’s actually fun.
I thought it had to do with cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers
@@savisenpaii No problem.
Arcane is not an anime. Its animated, but it's 100% a Western art style and is not 2D.
Americanime
Word "anime" came from "animation" which in japanese is pronounced "animeshon". Technically it's the same thing, western or eastern.
@@hieronimzmora4153 I put that in the same category of Chai tea. Chai is tea, tea is tea. Chai tea mean that specific of tea. Same as anime. Anime is animation, animation is animation...You get it.
@@airynod no, it's redundant it's either chai or so.e other tea
How would you call Avatar the legend of Aang? It was made in anime style by american studio composed by Korean animators
I like Savii's chill attitude but I think she rides the fence post a little too hard here. It is not brain rot to have an opinion that you don't want Twitter afrocentrists changing everyone else's culture to be theirs. And it is not brain rot to take 3 seconds to post a tweet or give one a like. Lots of people do this thing where whenever it comes time to have an opinion on something, they just beat everyone else over the head with "you have an opinion that's cringe."
One edit: the "Twitter freaks" don't matter has the same energy as "it's just college campuses". They aren't just on Twitter, they are your HR, your government official, you mayor.
I can see where your coming from makes me nervous all these crazy people will be in important jobs one day running the world
@@savisenpaii always have been.
This, i feel the same "fence riders" would be upset if a trend started of taking black characters from many different medias and making them white or asian....at only the side doing it, not the side complaining. It's fine to complain when someone is being ridiculous, saying your just as bad is a dumb take. It's the same mentality of the teacher punishing both the bully and the child being bullied because "they both need to stop"...no one child is a bully and a problem and the other is trying to stop the assault.
As silly as it is, this wasn't just because of the art piece. It's the years of hypocrisy where Japanese artists always get harassed just because of skin tone.
This was years of this, and it wasn't until recently when the Japanese had enough. So it wasn't really both sides.
This. They (JP artists) can't have any skin-tone in their art that isn't considered "fair". Nagatoro? She's tanned, but Western (specifically brainrot artists) will consider her "black" when she's not. Then there's the constant harassment of JP artists when they dare to lighten pigmentation on characters for a variety of reasons (lighting, style, etc.) but then the same people will blackwash established "fair skinned" characters and get upset when people call that action out.
C.H.U.D. is the title of an 80s horror movie. It stands for Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller. It's evolved into an insult meaning a basement-dweller.
Ohhhh that’s actually clever
@savisenpaii It's not a bad watch, honestly. A tad slow in places, but has that old gritty New York feel and a great cast. It's a fun monster movie if you're in the mood for that kind of thing.
27:46 sav, its not "just art" its a cultural clash. And the very tolerant Japanese have starting to say enough is enough and are fixing to go completely isolated again
@@zaxscat5357 I think it’s completely fine with that if peeps in the west going to act like this I think you can do whatever you desire with your creation. Just makes me laugh knowing the big picture of all this is a drawing but ehhhh people like to fight over anything haha
@@savisenpaii I don't understand how you're so hyperfixated on the argument starting with a drawing. It seems like there are several comments explaining to you how that's not the root cause of the issue. If you really think that the big picture is about the drawing then damn, man. At least try to think about it more.
I understand that some care deeply about their own race. But why appropriate other races and skin colors? Something off about that. Make your own characters from scratch! Nuff said.
I mean its fun and fine if you're just doing it for silly shits and giggles like for fan art or whatever, its when you hold double standards or try to "fix" shit is when it actually becomes a problem.
Ezpz
@@johnarcher6150 It hates many key words and we are left to deduce which ones.
@@darcidious99 I'd argue that as long as the artwork is original (is not based on anyone's established pieces but still use established characters if they really want to) it's fine to an extent. But if you're tracing and "fixing" it, then it's a problem for sure.
Bro the fence sitting in this video is outrageously high. Black people started it and Japanese people got fed up with the double standards and hypocrisy. But some how both are wrong ??? ok LMAO
Both wrong because it’s a problem that shouldn’t be a problem like fighting over if you want your burger with or without cheese
@@savisenpaii but it is a problem. Black people attack Japanese artist every time they draw a dark skin character and harass them to the point that most Japanese artists delete there twitter cause of how much hate they get. What did you expect Japanese people to do ? Just take it and say nothing ?? Obviously there gonna fight back and call out the hypocrisy and double standard. It’s ignorant to say “both” are wrong when one is the aggressor and the other is just tired of the bullshit they have to deal with.
@ I’m not saying I like that this is happening I wish it would stop because if people would just take a minute and a step back and see what they are actually arguing about it would be so silly. Not main core issues in the world just pixels but ya I am not on the team on either side here just people be good to people ezpz
Only one side is allowed to be obnoxious and agressive
@@savisenpaii I think it's better to at least understand why one side would react a certain way and how different their decision would be had it not happened.
In this case, the Japanese people didn't really change their mind, their idea was still "either all is allowed or none of it is, you (the people w/ double standard) made this happened".
You are a bystander, it's better if you can see what they're doing rather than **Judging Them FIrst** because of your idea. It's Understanding, it helps.
In this case, it's preferable as nuances exists and people want at least some acknowledgement about that, here it's like "there's a reason why this situation happened, i hope you can understand that".
The funniest part about the Disney race swap is Snow white not being white
@@RaNgErs_Rep this I agree with 🤣
Respectfully L opinion. You focus mostly on this one picture and not the entire trend of japanese discrimination they receive from the west.
They arent hyper focusing on the Dan da Dan picture becuase its insanely bad, are mad in general but can finally do something when its an anime VA perpetuating it.
@@TomTucker4157 I have been informed about the history and pics as of the last hour. I do go in blind with these reacts does not mean I don’t feel strongly about BOTH groups fighting over pictures just find it silly.
This comment is a complete L tbh Japanese people have hade nothing but love from the west. It’s actually the other way around. That the discrimination comes from and since that one guy Johnny something it’s only got louder.
@@kazum1809 oh yeah? tell me then, what is this discrimination you're talking about by the jap to the west
This may rub some people the wrong way, but the original creator of a work, wrote/drew/created a character a certain way. For someone to come after and CHANGE it is disrespecting THAT ORIGINAL Creator and their vision. If you cannot have your creations stand up on their own merits, don't you DARE take another creators' vision and change it to fit your perceived notions or narratives. To do so is both LAZY and DISINGENUIOUS.
Do not race or gender swap a character in an attempt to "Reach a broader audience" or for "Inclusion". LEAVE THE ORIGINAL WORKS ALONE. You can expand upon them, by creating new characters, but you DO NOT have the RIGHT to change those characters just because you want to. If your new characters do not resonate with the audience, that is on YOU, and your lack of writing a compelling character. You DO NOT change the original vision that made the works popular in the first place, just because you want to.
@@greylocke100 Preach.
No artist has ever "fixed" anything.
Redrawing characters in different races or genders. Drawing characters in different art styles? Cool
Awesome stuff.
It didn't fix anything cause you can't fix what was never broken.
This isn't just because of the dandandan art. This has happend because of years of artists "darkening" characters (often by tracing which the dandandan person does), followed by rhe absolute freakout if anyone thinks a 'dark' chatacter is lightened.
Literally these people claim blackwashing is the moral thing and whitewhashing is evil.
The way I've always considered how anime is seen is kinda like how most Italians don't consider American pizza "real pizza" but we consider all pizza to be pizza.
All animation is anime for Japan, but anime is a specific art style with specific tropes and typically specific cultural differences in America.
Idk about the skin color thing nowadays tho, I always found it weird but it was how people have fun. Now (or post 2019) its hard to gauge if the person is making the art for legitimate fun or because of their beliefs. There was an art mutual on my main that had a huge thing for Mina Ashido. At first people kinda assumed he was just drawing her black for fun, but eventually he went mask off and just started shaming people who assume she was japanese and saying his head canon is the correct head canon. All because her hairstyle looks like an afro. My problem is when people try to force head canons on others and always will be.
Fun fact: anyone actually interested in japanese culture would know that perms are very popular in Japan. This doesnt really add much but i feel like it should be brought up because a lot of hairstyles probably escist because of that. Unless you're Oda
Nope I never talked to a Japanese person born and raised in Japan that thinks all animation is anime the separate anime and cartoons the past localizers gas lit us into thinking that’s what they by telling us Japanese cartoons are anime.
south park into the panderverse
I fought over ppl calling Anime "cartoon" in my teens.
I grew up & realised it's all ANIMATION.
DC & Marvel cartoons are basically shounnen anime
Nope it’s not all just animation they’re separate equally great art forms.
Oh please any body that says they see nothing wrong with Asian and European characters being race swapped will throw hissy fit or African characters being race swapped.😂
@@Taz-ey4jl the world does I could care less it’s a drawing
Honestly, noone would have cared about it, except the same people that do this go up in arms and cancel people who do it the other way around.
This is what i've been saying for a while now.
People say "draw what you want" and that's all well and good, however the people doing the anime race swaps do not share this sentiment.. they were the people that would skin you alive if you DARED to even draw a character with the SLIGHTEST of lighter skin tones.
"Whitewashing is bad but Blackwashing is a-okay." This is the problem, the hypocrisy, the only reason ANYONE is talking about ANY of this is because of the race freaks cried about color pallets and lighting calling it racist an whitewashing, and it seems so many people, on youtube & twitch don't get it..!
@@dreymak4071 Exactly.
@@dreymak4071it is always race freaks and because of that everyone feels like they can’t do anything now a days
@@savisenpaii The whole point is that many people act like this all just came out of nowhere, when in reality 90% of them just don't have the context. This is an ongoing issue where people will attack others for doing one thing, then turning around and doing the same thing in reverse and nobody says a word. it's infuriating! Rules for thee not for me, f**k no! Either it's all okay or none of it is!
Hope I shed some light on the issue at least a little with these two comments. Aside from all this, I love your content!
@@dreymak4071 ya I think I brought it up before but I think we will always have some kinda race issue till the dawn of time it’s usually a lot of people’s first thing they hit. I just want people to be good people and if someone said I fixed it there wrong lol. Also thank you
I find it funny that people say that its racist to get mad that they make characters black but if you make a black character a different race those same people lose their minds and threaten nonstop
Respect for having your own stance, yeah, this was pretty much my exact thoughts on it.
I remember a while back a teen artist drew a Rose Quartz from Steven Universe and the community freaked the fuck out because she drew her slightly skinier than her original design, it got so bad the artist almost off'd herself. Here we are with this story and I'm like ''how is this fucking different?''
Completely locos de la cabeza (I love how you pronounce it btw)
@@capucharoja6887 ❤️❤️
Or how about the amount of hate Blake cosplayers get
@@kazum1809 I haven't heard anything about that, what's going on?
@@capucharoja6887 well black peoples that cosplay non black characters get bullied hard
@@kazum1809 oh wait, Black characters. I didn't know that either, that sucks. People need to start living for themselves and stop acting like babies
How Brazilian Miku is well received by the Japanese and others, but this triggers negative emotions from the Japanese saying it all.
I mean, everyone creates their version of Miku to follow the trends.
The intention and attitude mean something. Indeed, it is a non-issue on the Internet, after all. No matter how you put it, obnoxious people make others angry.
@@airynod literally the best take here, idk why everyone here can’t grasp this, especially some vtubers, this seems to be a common thing.
@@xN0XvRVLEZx It’s complicated. Vtubers are like the new no-face UA-camrs, and not everyone comes from the otaku or weeb communities. I get why some might see this as a non-issue, especially if they’re looking at it as a single event. And yes, most Twitter dramas are dumb af. However, for Japanese artists and some of us who’ve been in these communities for a long time, this isn’t just a one-off thing. We’ve seen situations like this happen over and over again, and each time it chips away at something. That’s why it feels like a bigger deal than it might seem to someone outside looking in.
@@airynod Yea, but this more or less seems like a huge misunderstanding and ppl have their hatred and vitriol misplaced if anything.
Savii over here saying "Draw me like one of your French girls." 🤣
2:04 My policy is “allow it all or ban it all” because this conditional “historical context” justification makes me deeply upset as it’s often used as an excuse for abhorrent behavior.
Stop changing stories stop changing art.....respect the Japanese artist
Happy to be there live. Definitely interesting to hear your thoughts on it!
Happy you like it!
Glad you could make it!
💯 Savii! Hammer hits the nail on the head again. 😅
Dan da Dan is freaking awesome but also gets freaky 😅
Just keep that in mind so you dont get caught off guard
I'll never understand why alot of people seem to think something can't be racist as long as its against a race they consider socially acceptable. Racism is racism thats literally it.
32:57 probably the best animated movie disney ever did was the robin hood movie with anthropomorphize animals depicting every character. Solves all the race problems it just instead encourages people to become furries
Something I remembered just now.
When they took Ariel from the Little Mermaid and race swapped her, taking the character of an ethnically caucasian origin and turning her black, there was very little backlash.
When someone decided to draw Puss in Boots as a human, who was clearly of Spanish decent--NOT MEXICAN--and was a few shades whiter than me, EVERYONE was up in arms. Because, apparently, everyone who speaks Spanish needs to be colored the same color as America's southern neighbors.
The ignorance and bigotry of the people who decry it astounds me to no end.
X got me confused on what's going on with society
Nothing good haha
I believe in Goose-Gander and Pot-Kettle. Never use a weapon that you don't want an enemy to use.
I'm going to say this in regards to the JP "overreaction," turnabout is fair play. They didn't make the rules, they're just now abiding by them. What do I mean? JP artists have been harassed for years by the same Xitter weirdos that are all for pandering on a surface level that does nothing at all and basically "asset flipping" or tracing official art and then "fixing" it in their eyes. Those people can only take, they cannot create something from the heart themselves so they have to take it from others. And to be frank, I'm all for JP artists "revolting" against it. No one should be forced to change their art because of what a few weirdos have been saying or doing to them. And to be honest, I find it funny in an ironic way that's entertaining for me. I'm not going to stoke the flames, but I am going to sit back and laugh as the cows finally come home to roost.
i made a video saying the same thing trust me on this please don't make anyone change your mind on this you are right, this is not ok for Japanese people to be harassing this random girl over over some skin changing 90% of the people talking about this literally are just sitting there thinking Japan = good and won't realize that this is just plan hypocrisy, no art was "fixed" cause the creator didn't calm to fix the art the worst thing she did was basically "agree blackwashing is not real" which i don't agree but that's her opinion she's allowed to have it, and sell black edits which yeah is scummy but tbh she's just some teen on the internet it's not that deep (and i think it's just recoloring anime and i don't think big animations studios are gonna be hurt by this) thank you for having a normal take on this and not, oh Japan is based or Japan is good and can do no evil, like they're doing what the bad people are doing it's not good
This is objectively not a both sides issue, and no Savii, it isn’t a nothingburger. Only one side is editing skin color of a character and then saying “I fixed it”.
first off i found you like....i think yesterday or the day before. second off i partially agree with you on most of this but at the same time i have to say that i disagree with you about them getting fired. i 100% think they should be fired. not cuz i actually care about the art race swapping the characters but because like you said because the way they acted was 100% a brand risk. they should 100% be fired and the studio should look for a different person to dub the voices. either way the reason i subbed is cuz i love that your vtuber persona has so much movement and i think the character is so animated compared to other vtubers ive seen whos arms just stay at their side the entire time. i like that and i agreed with most of the points you make....so keep doing your thing. just had to put in the 1 thing i disagreed about.
I know someone pointed it out in the comments. But yea once again wanna confirm the Japanese used to not care. But extremes cause other extremes and fire spreads.
My personal take it its either no one can race swap or everyone can.
They won’t come up with a new story. Mainly because they have no originality or creativity. That’s why they race swap with no real change to the overall story.
I think you’re a bit off on your judgement but like on the peripherals. Japan has different laws and cultural norms with art than the US. Like tracing and selling traced work is not legal in Japan. I think this is a result over the last few years of death threats against Japanese artists. It really got bad during lockdowns and it hasn’t returned to normal since. 27:52 anthropologically, they are racist. Ignorance is the basis of racism and they are ignorant. Racism requires doubling down on it, or as you said earlier that performative back peddling. I’ve had to take too many courses on this stuff for work and my degree.
This isn't East vs West in this case. This is East vs South.
Theres a quote somewhere i recall don't argue with stupid because they'll beat you with their own experience and drag you down to their level. I've seen people throw the its just a drawing calm down and these people go throw the whole " a drawing of what!?!?" Just seems they do want the attention and not be in the wrong when it comes to debates even as crazy as a drawing. I remember on twitter a Japanese artist drew nessa the water gym leader of the new Pokémon games and someone said there i fixed it for you! The artist said that was wrong and not your right to do it. The person literally told them its" their right" and to put the artist in their place which is pretty messed up thing to say. Yeah overall i don't bother because how insane twitter can be and the people I've met who uses it
I think its ok to mess with a character design as long as the intention is "for fun." Like its one of your favorite characters and you just think it would be fun/funny if like they genderswapped them. They don't think its a better version they are just goofing around. When it has a "I fixed it" or "my version is the true version!" mentality is when it gets really bad.
I don't really disagree with people doing fan reskins of characters. What I DO disagree with is calling it "an improvement" as if they know better than the original artist. I wouldn't even call it "fanart" at that point because it shows contempt of the original piece and artist for the "fan's" stupid agenda.
Agreed it’s not an improvement just your style
As a weeb I'm not affected since I only watch original Japanese content in Japanese, but I hope they stop ruining it for the rest of the world. I hear the western gaming industry is already destroying the appearance of female characters in video games even in Japan which sucks. I tried to escape the west by moving to Japan and I feel like the west is still trying to encroach on me
Remember. This whole thing started because a few months ago, a Japanese artist drew a picture of marina from splatoon 3 but she had lighter skin and twitter people freaked out on him and someone responded with a splatoon art pretty much talking about cutting the artist life short and the artist deleted the marina art and apologized. When Japanese people got mad over that dandadan art alot of them and i think shin (the one comment that's very popular) all brought up the marina situation. Pretty much saying how they got mad over marina having light skin from the artist and but wont do anything for the dandadan art.
Also the dandadan artist that changed their skin color Also is facing controversy because they traced the pictures and are telling people if you trace over their trace work then you have to pay them
I agree with you when it comes to race swapping, but I would also add that if the actor of a film or show can embody the spirit of the character despite not being the same race as the source material then it shouldn’t be an issue. The only time this doesn’t work, in my opinion, is when there are traits about the character that are specific to their race; Ex: A Nigerian man in the 1600s can’t be played by an Indian man.
those "Twitter freaks" are the same people w pronouns in bio that are the creative directors of modern video games, the the designers, the consultants, the journalists, the ceos. lots of them aren't nobodies, and they keep ruining content for everybody
i dont care that they drew the characters black...i care that they drew the character black after YEARS of complaining about whitewashing. its only ok when THEY do it.
I beleive people are more mad of the double standar.
The reason people resort to racism is because it is an insult that is horrible and that is hard to disprove. How do you prove that you are not racist?
@oven723 yeah all of us normal people agree. It is really hard to prove someone isnt racist but really easy to accuse someone of it.
I'm an artist, and I honestly don't understand these people's minds, you have the power to draw literally anything, you can create a character with an incredible story that can still represent you, but instead you prefer to limit your techniques to redesigning original characters just to satisfy your narcissistic ego of seeing a character (curiously always a popular character) physically similar to you. ... anime doesn't have that many black characters, but I always find one who is extremely cool and sometimes even more charismatic than the protagonists, it seems that it's not a question of “right and wrong” but of jealousy.
People don't really have an issues with "raceswaps" it is mostly the chronically online that seems to take issues with this. The situation with the DanDaDan color change is mostly because of double standards. God forbid drawing a shade lighter characters like the splatoon girls or Nessa from Pokemon, but this one is praised.
As for the voice actors that swapped their pfps we all know why they did it, for virtue signalling and when they couldn't take the heat anymore they quickly changed and ran to blusky. Which is just another indicator that they know they did something wrong, but don't want the accountability.
I think the dude just liked the art, especially since he himself is a black person who voiced the character.
Like many have said it truly is just an overly zealous crowd on Twitter who gets too aggravated about fan drawings. Pretty much no one you meet irl is having a melt down over a completely fan made made work that isn't claiming to "fix" something about the original work.
6:54 If they do it like they did with Nick Fury I.E for a difference in character design for that interpretation that’s fine.
Say what you mean and mean what you say, because the people that mind don't matter and the people that matter don't mind
The drama has been mostly 1 sided. Many Japanese artists have been harassed and threatened over the past few years whenever they draw something that doesn't match with a specific character. This time around its the opposite. Its just Twitter people being extremely toxic and stupid.
I think if they gave the people in the picture blonde hair and blue eyes and pale skin they would not have criticized it or make them goth or alt hell throw a reverse pentagram on they would love it
I don’t care about art so I can enjoy most things that are art. Granted if something looks bad imma roast the heck outta it.
37:03 Chud is the name of a movie. The way those type of people use? That was only recently. Just assume anyone who unironically uses it is mentally challenged
Oh god this whole drama is just so stupid😂. Listen when it comes to fan projects/cosplay or whatever in a nice normal world people should be allowed to do whatever they want. The problem is (and this is the root issue of most of these modern race related issues) that they always develop into double standards. Manga artist changes nessa from pokemon's skin color to be ever so slightly lighter in an animated episode? Black erasure and theyre awful people. Taking manga art and making characters darkskinned fat and hideous? "Fixing it".
Race swap a white redheaded character into a black character? Great. Flip the script? Thats white washing and reinforcing racist ideology.
Samurai jack's voice actor is perfectly fine even though they arent the same color or culture, but cleveland brown's old voice actor is problematic. Of course I guess nowadays in the west asian people are also held to "white status" with being labelled as "privileged" so... I mean at least theyre consistent in their stupidity.
We constantly SAY we want equality, while then providing clear biases and favoritism for people of certain backgrounds and condemning others in areas where their skin color or sex doesnt matter at all like art or voice acting especially. And when you enforce double standards onto people for too long, well look at that twitter is having another race war... Must be a day ending in Y.
And for the record in those examples, Im 100% fine with samurai jacks VA, Im 100% fine with people race swapping characters in art for fun and seeing how it would look, let black guys and white guys both cosplay astolfo so I can see cute guys playing dress up. But I am so sick of seeing double standards and hypocrisy every way I look.
Dandadan is sick….Bit bizarre…. But good
When I hear "it's about the culture" I'm thinking more along the lines of Japanese culture being targeted by the west. Example such as western media demanding more censorship for games, manga, and anime coming out of Japan, double standards on social media when it comes to fan art, payment processors like Master Card and Visa revoking payment processes from companies related to the anime industry, and the United Nations demanding Japan to make anime and manga more "Diverse and Inclusion". This is just a snippet of topics Hero Hei has covered throughout the past year or two. I understand that it's just a picture, but the picture means more than five cents it's worth. Also, after Hero Hei's last video, Japan seems to be done putting up with this behavior. And they should be.
I think it needs to be said that this isn't just something going on in a vacuum and the race thing is just the straw that broke the camel's back. Japan has more or less been under assault from certain elements of western media and culture trying to exert their will on Japanese art and culture for a few years now, with the most atrocious and unforgivable probably being the parade of disrespect that was/is Assassin's Creed Shadows. To give an idea of reasons why Japan was pissed at that, there was the rewriting of Japanese history by westerners, the 1:1 recreation of a Buddhist statue/shrine that explicitly forbids such recreations in just about all media, and the use of the Sannō Shrine Torii Gate in their advertising. For those who don't know, the Sannō Torii Gate, more commonly referred to as the one-legged Torii gate, is famously the only part of the shrine/temple complex to survive the *atomic bombing of Nagasaki* at the end of World War II. If memory serves there were members of the Japanese government who were discussing treating it as a diplomatic incident because of just how seriously and frequently the game disrespected and abused their culture.
Ubisoft essentially using a cultural symbol of one of Japan's greatest tragedies to market a game that was already hostile to Japan in basically every way made the entire country increasingly hostile towards outsiders trying to tell them how to make their manga, shows, and games to the point where the people of Japan now have a (rightfully) low tolerance for the threats, intimidation, and bullying directed at anyone from their country that does anything to remotely offend western consumers and media.
Hey @SaviSenpai , how do you spell the "you're stupid with a capital R" sentence in your language?
I think you're saying "loca laca cereza" but I dont know if I got it right.
I really like that phrase, would love to know how to say it in both languages
Still waiting on Stalker 2 btw.
If you have to “fix” something (I.e. someone’s art), it should tell you that you have the wrong idea of the art and disrespecting the artist. You shouldn’t compensate with your insecurities and project onto others just because you feel inferior due to what you maybe lacking.
Someone smarter than me needs to do a look back on 80's anime. (Doing woke right) From what I remember, not all, but some of the shows had; gay characters, cross dressing, and other LGBTQ+ people that elude me. They were never the "bad" guys, but friends of the MC. I know that was a big reason anime couldn't go main stream back then. Anime didn't make a big deal about it either. (They used humor over confrontation. )
I really want to thank anime for doing its homework on subjects they want to include in the plot / story. Violet Evergarden was a big help in allowing me to get past... being medically retired from the army. (And also showed PTSD and other battlefield trauma in a respectful and educational way.) For a down and dirty / in your face education in understanding your veteran / military friend went through, I suggest, Attack on Titan. Also educational in both mental health issues from the battlefield, but how a first time deployment to a war zone goes.
Most of the world is NOT a melting pot like the US. (I know, that term is not allowed anymore.) Its also why, we do well in most Olympic events and, should of been allowed to take on covid in a more offensive manner. We should be celebrating our genetic diversity. (History note, we had laws against mixed marriages back in the day.) It turns out, a mixing of all the "races," is the superior result than the idea of a "master" race.
Back on track. Japan is one of the most difficult countries to immigrate to. You can visit, just not allowed to plant roots. I believe anime will always reflect that aspect of the country. (The true bloods vs the foreigners.) That seems to be a constant theme of someone from another country transferring to a school in Japan. And then dealing with the friction that follows. Its poor form for one country to continue to impress our values onto another. (At the end of WWII, Japan did its best to clone itself to a copy of the USA.) As the generations come and go, that way of thinking has faded. Bottom line anime is from Japan, for Japan. Love it or just make the version of what you want.
Arcane is not an anime. If I'm going to be generous, animé is if the animated show is catered primarily to a Japanese audience. For example if a black man makes an animated show that's primarily catered towards a Japanese audience, it's an animé.
8:58 i dont know about that. I dont think that its ridiculous at all. Pointing out a dumb double standard douesnt make someone ridiculous. Its more of a ridiculous situation. The person there is actually making a valid point imo
Btw no hate I love your stuff just sharing my opinion ❤❤
It's also literally just traced one-for-one with nothing added other than the hair and skin color. That's my issue with it. If it was a different pose rather than a new hairstyle and skin color and added shading, then I'd support the work. They are implying they've fixed it without saying it.
deployed to the desert? you were in the military?
Yep air force about twelve years now
@savisenpaii my respects ma'am 🫡
This is just some weirdo nonsense. Enjoy what you enjoy - everybody spazzing out over drawings on the Internet... Oh right, it's Twitter. Carry on.
Preach
You wouldn’t be saying that if it was a African character being made Asian or European.
@@Taz-ey4jl Anyone that feels so strong about what color a picture is might need to see a therapist about why the scary picture made them mad. Both sides need to relax and maybe worry about things that actually matter
@@Taz-ey4jl I think that statement goes both ways.
@@savisenpaii
I love how UA-cam deleted my comment to you despite the fact the worse thing I said was glass and my races were being erased on fiction.
I see you are a woman of culture.
This shyt pisses me off. I hate these Twitter freaks.
when you say raw what do you mean by that? 0.o???
Sad because alot of black people love Japanese
i dont really care about arts in general so all these art "edits" is whatever to me.
but the one thing that tick me off is the hypocrisy and double standards. and this VA and the artist that make the "edit" just reek of it.
also the reactions from Japanese isnt as simple as Twitter brain rot.
as a culture, the Japanese have immense respect for artists. any artist with acknowledged art works will be addressed with the honorific of "sensei", which can be translated to "master", as in master of their respective profession.
Sorry for the comment spam. But last thing is I believe it is somewhat justified for people to care. Letting people constantly harasss you and your community. Is how you get stepped over.
@@RaNgErs_Rep no I agree I just think it’s silly it’s gotten this far
Each time you say "I could care less" it affects me in the same way as nails on a chalkboard. That means you do care, and you say it a lot lol.
What I really wanted to comment on in this situation was that the race swapped art is done by someone that takes art from others and race swaps it then sells it. The person that said they fixed it just literally had the original art. That's what they found offensive at first.
How the voice actor then planted himself in the middle and started stuff with those people was unnecessary. Completely unnecessary and unprofessional and rude. He could just go and apologize and it would take all the wind out of their sails.
Instead, he doubled down and tripled down then ran away and called them racist for not seeing things his way.
😮💨 We've had this culture for the past...16+ years? Where people tell you "hey, this offends me in this way" and what we've been told is that if we don't stop and correct our actions immediately, we're in the wrong and acting in a way that is socially unacceptable.
Tbh most are probably bots lol, but I could really care less about what people want to do with the art. But yeah, there's always those double standards ... 😅
Tbh I used to care I don’t anymore. I want to see a black anime character and there barely are any so I’m gonna pick a character I like and make them black. If you don’t like it don’t look I don’t care dude I’m so done with this tbh I don’t care now I’m not one of those people that say I fixed the art or anything I don’t see many black anime boys that’s all.
I think the voice actor thing pretty dumb. The VA read the sorce material and loves the character. He saw an edit of the character he voices and loves that black like him then choose it as his pfp.
Like ther nothing weird or wrong about that and he had to drop everything and delete it due to the harassment and death threats. Anyone making it a big deal pretty weird
@@OneofmanyASMR are you dumb or just blind ???? He said nobody should voice black character except black people cause “MuH cUlTuRe” and yet the only reason he’s known is for voice acting ASIAN CHARACTERS IN ANIME. He’s not a victim he’s a hypocrite and a racist.
@@OneofmanyASMR are you blind ???? He said nobody should voice black character except black people cause “MuH cUlTuRe” and yet the only reason he’s known is for voice acting ASIAN CHARACTERS IN ANIME. He’s not a victim he’s a hypocrite and a racist.
AYO my man herohei?!?!