How Did "Ordinary Men" Become Murderers?

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    Historian Prof. Christopher R. Browning discusses his well known book: "Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland". On this topic and more in Yad Vashem's new online course: "The Final Solution to the Jewish Question".

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  • @lauralott2741
    @lauralott2741 9 місяців тому +44

    I’ve seen herd mentality in young children. My son is disabled and all he ever wanted was to feel included and belong. He doesn’t have a mean bone in his body. I watched as these so called “ nice” kids all ganged up on him. Individually they can be okay but in a group with one bully and they all turn. Bullies are very sophisticated by the age of three. It’s fascinating and terrifying at the same time. I watched a 3 year old bully another 3 year old. She had two other kids working for her and would direct them on what to do and then pretend she had nothing to do with it!!

    • @robertedwards3551
      @robertedwards3551 7 місяців тому +6

      I feel for you, organised and socialised bullying is one of the most cruel things and is one of the most distasteful aspects of human nature. The self esteem of your son is the most important thing and I hope that with your encouragement and the support of just a few, he will come through these experiences stronger and better than these bullies. Life is often unfair and is especially so for disabled people, their resilience in the face of such extra challenges is an example to us.

  • @RedBarnArt
    @RedBarnArt 8 місяців тому +3

    If you study the Covid response and how people acted then you know exactly how these things can happen.

  • @neilchaplin8235
    @neilchaplin8235 Рік тому +8

    That same question could and should be asked about recent events?

    • @MisterIvyMike
      @MisterIvyMike Рік тому

      Read Victor Klemperer, "I Will Bear Witness 1933-1945". A book from a german jew who wright his diaries in that dark evil german times. And than compare the years 1933-1936 with the years of the "pandemic" and how unvaccinated people were treated...
      If the right situation and the right people come together we humans will it repeat again. Everywhere and everytime...

  • @Sam-ou3tl
    @Sam-ou3tl 24 дні тому

    Murder is classified as killing another human

  • @johnsinclair2672
    @johnsinclair2672 Рік тому +4

    It’s a good question. We could say “how did Jimmy Saville, and countless others get away with it?”
    People fear for their income, for their safety, for the safety of their family...
    so they go along with the evil.

  • @bradfordeaton6558
    @bradfordeaton6558 Рік тому +4

    I recommend David Grossman's book; "On Killing: The psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society."

    • @susanne5803
      @susanne5803 Рік тому +1

      Thank you for your book recommendation. I will read that now.

  • @Susieq26754
    @Susieq26754 Рік тому +2

    Because they were afraid of poverty and death. People are still like that today. They will throw their own under a bus to save their pathetic lives.

  • @LindaLinda80Linda
    @LindaLinda80Linda 10 місяців тому +2

    Please. Anti-Semitism was endemic in Germany and Europe in general. It would not have been that difficult a transition.

    • @daniel135975
      @daniel135975 Місяць тому

      ...and it sitll is!

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      Rasism was very common but not every country did death camps.

    • @LindaLinda80Linda
      @LindaLinda80Linda Місяць тому

      @@WielkaStopa-qh1rr The Nazis used our laws against slaves and persons of color to instruct them in how to deal with Jews. We have a lot to answer for. But the Europeans., Arab countries and Argentina have more.

  • @ItsMe-yv9jd
    @ItsMe-yv9jd Рік тому +5

    Yet another movie promoting the same old narrative about how many jews were killed by Nazis, during the war... completely ignoring the 11 millions other people killed by nazis, because apparently the jews claim that God told them they are 'the chosen ones' and anybody else that was killed, (homosexuals, communists, gypsies, disabled, rebellious clergy and germans, resistance fighters, prostitutes and alcoholics for example) is not worth mentioning. (It is BEYOND insulting to constantly dismiss the other victims that died a horrific death and only focus on the jews that died!)

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      @robertstallard7836 you wrong they started from persecution of poles

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      @robertstallard7836 Incorrect. Teach me more about my country. Simply open a wikipedia and checl thei "first task". They haven't drop from a sky in 1942 but existed before.

  • @FISCHER-71
    @FISCHER-71 Рік тому +4

    These were not "ordinary men" but demons placed in human guise at that time by the devil to commit evil depravities. Their eternal future is sealed to be cast into the flames of hell amongst other vile beasts from the dawn of history!

    • @FISCHER-71
      @FISCHER-71 Рік тому

      @robertstallard7836 MOST DEFINITELY NOT!

    • @FISCHER-71
      @FISCHER-71 Рік тому

      @robertstallard7836I definitely know myself. The question is DO YOU KNOW YOURSELF?

    • @MisterIvyMike
      @MisterIvyMike Рік тому

      ​@@FISCHER-71Of course you will. If it's against the right people in the right situation, led by the right people, you will too!

    • @tst128
      @tst128 9 місяців тому

      Definition of human depravity

    • @TemmieContingenC
      @TemmieContingenC Місяць тому

      See the issue is that you chalk it all up to them being demons in uniform. This takes away any kind of deeper thought and reasoning as to what causes ordinary, fleshed out and decent human beings to become mindlessly, apathetic killers on such a wide scale. These folks were people and mostly ordinary people to boot, they didn’t just wake up and thirst for Jewish blood.

  • @dano3952
    @dano3952 Рік тому +91

    Above all...how could they murder children and babies???

    • @jacobweinstein9136
      @jacobweinstein9136 Рік тому +1

      And not just murder them, either. Multiple survivor testimonies say that at Auschwitz, an entire transport's population of babies were thrown alive into the ovens, simply because the gas chamber's ventilation was malfunctioning. Another testimony tells of gunny sacks full of babies being thrown into the Vistula alive to drown. The criminals deserved far more than the death penalty.

    • @nonomnismoriar9051
      @nonomnismoriar9051 Рік тому +28

      Simple and sad: human beings are social animals, and like most social animals, including our chimpanzee cousins, we can be extremely violent towards what becomes defined as the out-group. Once these primeval instincts are manipulated/when certain conditions are in place to target the enemy as "other/out-group" it easily happens. Take the bombings of Japan: the US, although aggressed upon and knowing the Japanese had killed millions of Asians before, had suffered very few American civilian casualties. And "only" less than 100,000 dead soldiers by 1945 killed by the Japanese (in a struggle like WW2 a quite small number). It then proceeded to burn alive (even before the atomic bombs) several tens of thousands of women, children and elderly (true, partly for military objectives to annihilate Japan's industry) in a few months. The navy blockaded Japan such that had they not surrendered when they did, they would have starved by the millions. True that when they did surrender, they were treated exceptionally well, which is part of the reason why this atrocity is nowhere near the Holocaust and other genocides (apart from several other reasons which also make these much worse). But the point here is that no bomber pilots felt any remorse, and in late 1944 early 1945 opinion polls were taken in the US and 10 to 13% of Americans wanted to exterminate ALL Japanese people, and this percentage reached a whopping 50% when asked to American soldiers. Food for thought.

    • @petejames1326
      @petejames1326 Рік тому +1

      @@nonomnismoriar9051 i agree and i also think that homo sapiens probably GENOCIDED the other hominid species like homo erectus and neanderthals, they said the others died out because of climate change and "competition" but i dont believe it for a second, i truly think homo sapiens most probably killed off the other hominid species to reign supreme, in a sort of ancient genocide, thats why we are the only hominid species left

    • @achime.6645
      @achime.6645 Рік тому

      @@nonomnismoriar9051 No I do not agree! This is perverse! But the murder was not Eye in eye! The mothers hade to carry their babies! And then were the prisoners in the KZ that have to carry out after they were gased! And like I wrote above! It was a dehumanification of the jewish as”rats”!
      But there was also sadistic people! Learn about “Einsatzgruppen” and their crimes!

    • @Chuck44442
      @Chuck44442 Рік тому +6

      @@nonomnismoriar9051 if what I read is correct, today's nukes are a 1000x the Hiroshima one. And, it takes only 7, anywhere on Ezrth..to put Earth into a 10 year nuclear Winter. ( frankly, I'm surprised, no one had push the button.) I'm really think Iran will.

  • @susanne5803
    @susanne5803 Рік тому +55

    This is the book I always recommend as a read if someone wants to know how it is possible that people can turn to such extreme cruelty. I am very very grateful to the author!

    • @MisterIvyMike
      @MisterIvyMike Рік тому

      Me as a german have read "Ordinary men" too. But if you want to know how it starts from the early thirties read Victor Klemperer, "I Will Bear Witness 1933-1945". A book from a german jew who wright his diaries in that dark evil german times. And than compare it with the years of the "pandemic" and how unvaccinated people were treated...
      If the right situation and the right people come together we humans will it repeat again. Everywhere and everytime...

    • @bobmassey7227
      @bobmassey7227 Рік тому +3

      Same here.

  • @Hongaars1969
    @Hongaars1969 Рік тому +43

    Once again, thank you Prof Browning.
    What most people won’t ever accept, or acknowledge is that any one of us - ALL of us - are capable of killing.

    • @user-qr9uh1fd8g
      @user-qr9uh1fd8g Рік тому +3

      I disagree with you because I'm not even able of defend myself I never hit back when I was hit and I didn't even tell on anyone when I was hurt or when I was raped I ran away and I have cptsd dissociation episodes and tourette episodes. I helped everyone else except for me and I saved lives.

    • @philholding6905
      @philholding6905 Рік тому +2

      Agree, but it's a taboo to admit to it

    • @SirHumphrey498
      @SirHumphrey498 11 місяців тому

      @@ItsMe-yv9jd sound's like you want the exerm*nation of jews , you are an extremely dangerous person , I can't believe what I just read

    • @cm9748
      @cm9748 5 місяців тому

      @@philholding6905 Plenty of Amish went to jail becasue they couldn't go to war and kill ... Do you not know how hard it its to get people to kill people.. you have to program them ... Thats what they figured out around Vietnam and started training soldiers differently ... There s abook called "on killing" every Officer reads this book...

    • @gregmcclelland3488
      @gregmcclelland3488 3 місяці тому +1

      Yes, some more than others!

  • @Grofvolkoren
    @Grofvolkoren 2 місяці тому +5

    Following group behavior is an incredibly strong motivation for the choices people make. This book presents straightforward facts about human behavior during its darkest periods. For me, it also explains why the struggle for what many in the Western world now accept as normal-women's equality, gay rights, the abolition of slavery, and more-originated from a small, dedicated group. The majority, meanwhile, were either neutral or went along with the prevailing practices of the time. 'Ordinary Men' is a poignant exploration of these dynamics, shedding light on how ordinary people can commit extraordinary acts, both good and bad, under the influence of group and societal pressures and norms.

    • @daniel135975
      @daniel135975 Місяць тому +1

      To me this is a rather lame attempt to explain something which goes far beyond. At the end of WWII, Himmler ordered the end of the Jewish killings. These orders were disobeyed, resulting in the death marches. That takes care of the 'I had to obey or face dire consequences' thesis. The Germans did it, because they were individually convinced of the inferiority of the Jewish race and felt perfectly justified in killing them, even when their leaders told them to stop.

    • @mmeeozzzaaa3421
      @mmeeozzzaaa3421 18 днів тому

      It's also a hard read.

  • @Chuck44442
    @Chuck44442 Рік тому +44

    In College, in specific classes, I often asked this question. Usually ( well, not usually)... everytime, the professor wouldn't say sht. The students stared- around in space. Later, we lived next door to a German descent woman and family. She was a young- girl, growing up in Nazi Germany. She wasn't Jewish. She said, you had to just accept what the government was doing. Like today.

    • @achime.6645
      @achime.6645 Рік тому +3

      Sure that she wasn’t jewish? I only ask because most Germans didn’t know that they have jewish relatives! In my family it is the same! They were „Arier“ but long ago there was a „Birnbaum“. this is a jewish name! And the Antisemitism in Germany was relativ new in Germany! Rathenau former Minister was jewish! A lot of professors high up in the universities was jewish! But I hope you know the book Henry Ford wrote!

    • @Chuck44442
      @Chuck44442 Рік тому +1

      @@achime.6645 I had heard about Ford. But, literally, two days ago I saw a video that really explained it.

    • @achime.6645
      @achime.6645 Рік тому

      @@Chuck44442 Very good! This book read also Adolf. And the Party was supported of the “Wallstreet” because of their eugenics! This is supported by Lia weintraub. You can easily find her research and article on Google.
      This shall not take away the german reponsibility what happened but we have to ask why also the conference of Evian had no consequences and there was also very awful statements of some politicians! Auschwitz was known of the Allies long before because the bomber pilots was told not to bomb the KZ but the industrial facilities! Surely the should not have bombed the Kz but the railroads to the Kz that would eventually saved a lot of lives!

    • @glendaharris7219
      @glendaharris7219 Рік тому +3

      Yup...never again, right?
      Bless you..God sees all.

    • @karenk2409
      @karenk2409 7 місяців тому +2

      You asked THE most important question. Shame on your professors for refusing to engage. This behavior was not particular to Germans.

  • @yooperlooper
    @yooperlooper Місяць тому +1

    I've read dozens of books on the Holocaust and watched dozens more documentaries on it. I'm in no way an expert on the mind set of the SS soldiers but this sounds like psycho-babble to me. Torture, beatings, paraded around naked in winter, not enough clothing or shoes, medical experimentation on all including children, starvation, typhoid, sub-human living conditions, whipping, extermination. Truly Hell on earth for innocent people by their fellow humans. Pure Evil plain and simple. Satanic - no longer human. No excuses

  • @teresabaptista7016
    @teresabaptista7016 Рік тому +32

    Listening to Professor Browning is always fascinating and inspiring.
    Ordinary people's herd mentality is terrifying.
    From my own experience, I can conclude a crowd is less intelligent than a herd of sheep (and it smells worst!).
    Although, I find "herd mentality" falls short in the attempt of the explanation of any kind of genocidal endeavor. I find it to be inhuman.
    There's a sadistic vector in it and it is societal!

    • @Anna-xh2mo
      @Anna-xh2mo Рік тому

      "herd mentality" is blind whereas conformity or wanting to conform is a conscious choice.

    • @Bill_of_Rights
      @Bill_of_Rights Рік тому

      999 out of 1000 people fall right in line with the heard mentality. The other .01 percent are far more likely to be persecuted in one way or another.

  • @usenglishwithnativeenglish3820
    @usenglishwithnativeenglish3820 13 днів тому +1

    As an enrolled member of the Northern Cheyenne tribe, my people suffered the largest genocide in human history with 50-100 million indigenous people murdered by illegal European settlers. The questions that should be asked are why does the media consider the genocidal deaths of indigenous people less relevant and valuable than European people and does being the victim of such violence then give you the right to then subject others to the same treatment?

    • @Irgma112
      @Irgma112 8 днів тому

      You are wrong, nobody cares about the deaths of ordinary Europeans. It is about the deaths of Jews. In World War II, up to 80 million people died (including 50-55 million civilians). But who remembers that?

  • @bernicerogers2383
    @bernicerogers2383 Рік тому +22

    I was going to share that I could never do these kinds of things because of my values, faith and strong sense of right and wrong I learnt since childhood. Then I thought about times when I did things I knew to be wrong due to feelings, selfishness, anger etc. Now I'm not so sure...

    • @patriciadavis2506
      @patriciadavis2506 Рік тому +1

      We all have cruelty, murder, & evil in our hearts, tjis is why we DO NOT, AUTOMATICALLY, GO TO HEAVEN, ST THE END OF OUR LIVES, OR BECAUSE WE ARE BAPTISED, AS A BABY, TO GO TO HEAVEN YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN, OF THE SPIRIT ABOVE, & OF WZTER THEN GET BAPTISED, READ BOOK OF JOHN, CHAP 3, VERSE3.
      Heaven is not very big, Hell is much larger because, morepeople will go there, think about thst, it only takes one sin to go to hell, jow many sins bave you committed to dateoh dear, do you not tjink its time to start Repenting Now, before its too late, this kncludes, known, unknown sins hidden sins, sins of iniquity & transgressions, thats a lkt of sin in your ljves, the next second is not promised to anyone, so no time to wasteyou vould be called to stand before God, in a second, if you become born again, by accepting The Lord Jesus, into your heart as Lord & Saviour, All your sins are forgiven & you start with a clean slate, so to speak, you must truly mean every wordor the holy spirit will not come into your heart, do it now don't procrastinate,, if you vhoose not to do it, the Lord tells you, you will nkt even see heaven, if you can't see it, you cannot enter in, think abkut that😮

    • @philholding6905
      @philholding6905 Рік тому +3

      You may want to look at the Milgram and Zimbardo studies

    • @taliabraver
      @taliabraver Рік тому +1

      They have evil in their veins,its part of the german race

    • @barbsmart7373
      @barbsmart7373 Рік тому

      I couldn't!!!!!! If brainwashed from birth with somethjng completely retarded....I
      wouldn't thjnk like a normal human being. But if still is really incomprehensible.

    • @karenk2409
      @karenk2409 7 місяців тому

      That is a very mature insight.

  • @MM-yi9zn
    @MM-yi9zn Рік тому +15

    The ordinary men suddenly enjoyed their power. Intoxicating.

    • @taliabraver
      @taliabraver Рік тому +1

      Wimps murdering women and children and unarmed people,arrogant a holes.

  • @Iceageonmars
    @Iceageonmars 22 дні тому +1

    When everyone is doing something or steered into believing something, it becomes normalised.

  • @davidbrown5411
    @davidbrown5411 10 місяців тому +6

    Lockdown taught us there are many people who would have happily turned in Anne Frank.
    Human nature is predictable. Scarily so.

  • @RoxanneSharbono-mb8ol
    @RoxanneSharbono-mb8ol 28 днів тому +1

    That's what happens when you turn your back on GOD.

  • @ernatillmann
    @ernatillmann Рік тому +18

    Vielen Dank für diesen Beitrag. 👍🌹👍🌹👍🌹

  • @jimfischione2743
    @jimfischione2743 8 місяців тому +2

    This sounds like Telford Taylor's account of this behavior. "They did it because it became the thing to do."

  • @brianquigley1940
    @brianquigley1940 Рік тому +12

    The first 20 were given a choice... only 1 opted out... and he was cursed out for his choice.

  • @HouseOfBread.
    @HouseOfBread. Рік тому +23

    It is so disturbing, God knows what those poor families mental state must have been in, being on the receiving end of this cruelty. Germany as a nation has a reputation for great efficiency. It chills me to the bone to say it, but they put this efficiency into a production line of cruelty, suffering, and destruction. And they did it with their conscience clear, as if they were trying to be the most efficient baked bean canning factory.

    • @taliabraver
      @taliabraver Рік тому +1

      Germany is evil

    • @taliabraver
      @taliabraver Рік тому +1

      They all have OCD!

    • @YouAreTheRaidBoss
      @YouAreTheRaidBoss 8 місяців тому +1

      @@taliabravercasting such attributes on an entire country/people is the exact mindset from which the atrocities of the nazi stem.
      Please don’t be racist.

  • @cherrytate7149
    @cherrytate7149 Місяць тому +1

    😮😮😮😮😮 Thank you very much for that very explicit commentary .I always wondered where ,when and WHO these terrible ""HUMAN" ? BEINGS came from that could inflict
    such attrocities on fellow humans .
    VERY GOOD REPORT .👍😉

  • @cherilynnfisher5658
    @cherilynnfisher5658 5 місяців тому +8

    One of the most sickening tragedies in the entire history of mankind.
    "NEVER AGAIN"!

    • @ashmalsulaiman7271
      @ashmalsulaiman7271 3 місяці тому

      Yeah,one of,but there are many more,but only this one popular, because they are pushing it so that they can do more holocaust by playing as a victim

  • @cellomoore
    @cellomoore 3 місяці тому +1

    So you said nothing!,,

  • @mmeeozzzaaa3421
    @mmeeozzzaaa3421 18 днів тому

    After starting to read this book, I've wondered what would have happened had at least one person said.. "I forgot a pot on the stove. If I leave it, it will burn the house down and my wife will be mad. Sorry. Gotta go." What happens to group dynamics if someone leaves or doesn't participate, and bails on whatever the group is trying to do?.

  • @MooMoo-fw3kh
    @MooMoo-fw3kh 20 днів тому

    I can see now why I have never been part of groups they've never attracted me the only groups that were a part of were those involved in a chorus since I studied to become a music teacher and I enjoyed being part of choirs very much but we were all similar in our thinking and music really tied us together outside of that I've never been attracted to groups sororities sports teams I think that's all a form of indoctrination and brain washing

  • @ofcourse7357
    @ofcourse7357 20 днів тому

    I heard Jordan Peterson recommend this book. I must read it again. Thanks, understanding this dynamic is so important. This behavior is built into human beings.

  • @andretemplet2578
    @andretemplet2578 19 днів тому

    Crazy to think those that survived the holocaust turned around and committed the nakba. They survived a genocide only to commit one.

  • @joekev27
    @joekev27 25 днів тому

    What i find really scary lately is how many police will use the same exact excuses these men used. I've heard countless police say were just following orders yet none of them seem to understand where that mentality will get you.

  • @lauralott2741
    @lauralott2741 9 місяців тому +2

    It would be interesting to know how many chose not to shoot? What would have happened if they ALL said we are not going to shoot? It’s very relevant today because so many young people in particular believe propaganda. Social media is controlling what they believe, and they haven’t been taught to think for themselves.

    • @jfournerat1274
      @jfournerat1274 9 місяців тому +1

      Roughly about 20% of the members of the battlion chose not to shoot.

    • @razinabbas4551
      @razinabbas4551 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@jfournerat1274 Make that 2.5%. 12 out of 500 men in Police Reserve Battalion 101. At least in the beginning.

    • @jfournerat1274
      @jfournerat1274 8 місяців тому +2

      @@razinabbas4551 you are actually right about that.

  • @bruceerwin5430
    @bruceerwin5430 6 днів тому

    The Covid response and Net2050 is worth thinking about too.

  • @nikolairomanoff6969
    @nikolairomanoff6969 21 день тому

    This is the other side of humanity that could be unleash when an opportunity arises. So beware.

  • @Bobby-d1j
    @Bobby-d1j 14 днів тому

    Somebody showed them Barbara Spectre in a crystal ball.

  • @filiperiksson9208
    @filiperiksson9208 Рік тому +11

    Very interesting indeed. Prof. Browning is a very good speaker too. I actually have his book on my desk. Going to read it soon.

  • @richardque1036
    @richardque1036 Рік тому +7

    This happen to a lot of countries,in rwanda genocide, or even the armenia genocide,a lot of killer were ordinary people.a lot of time the victim knew there killer.

    • @Utkarsh-v4g
      @Utkarsh-v4g 25 днів тому

      Yes right, most of the time these people are known and from nearby.

  • @angloaust1575
    @angloaust1575 22 дні тому

    My lai ...americans committing
    Such horrors!

  • @lovesallanimals9948
    @lovesallanimals9948 20 днів тому

    No they had something in them already they were born that way

  • @ragnapodewski4694
    @ragnapodewski4694 Рік тому +7

    I read often G.K Chesterton " Heresy" and Orthodoxy" He says only "The fall of Man is a reality , if you try to deny it, history becomes inexplicable" Holocaust was unique, but there have been the Khmer Rouge, there is North Korea and there has been M Duvalier of Haiti.Without a hard rooted ethic human beings are able to any cruelty. Read Hannah Ahrend!

    • @OscarOSullivan
      @OscarOSullivan 4 місяці тому

      Bosnia, Rwanda, Darfur, Syria and Iraq, Myanmar too many to count. Hitler used the Armenian genocide and the genocide of the native nations in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and America as an example.
      The book Hearts of Darkness and its film adaption Apocalypse Now has Kurtz as its fallen man after reading and watching those two you realise we all have the potential to become Kurtz.

  • @nemeczek67
    @nemeczek67 Рік тому +1

    If you were 48 in 1942, you sure had been likely to experience fighting in WWI.

    • @allanfifield8256
      @allanfifield8256 11 місяців тому +1

      My math says that you would have been 24 in 1918 and 20 in 1914. They would have experienced a lot of WW I combat.

  • @robertedwards3551
    @robertedwards3551 7 місяців тому +1

    I read the book and for anyone unhindered by subjectivity will see in it how decent people can be coerced to commit terrible acts and to then reconcile these acts to become a new normal, just another day at work. Its the banality of it that's so chilling.

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      not really, just think why germans could, and e.g. poles did not do it. there must be something more than peer pressure and obeying the orders.

  • @gunnarstolthet4265
    @gunnarstolthet4265 Місяць тому

    Coerced confession and false testimony

  • @sierravista9013
    @sierravista9013 15 днів тому

    I am reading the book

  • @cm9748
    @cm9748 5 місяців тому

    Imagine this was an objective documentary ... Not put together by the winners of WW2 (Yad Vashem) ...

  • @sierravista9013
    @sierravista9013 15 днів тому

    Peer pressure

  • @justme-iw6rk
    @justme-iw6rk 7 місяців тому

    Just watched the documentarty and it should be noted MOST of the men stepped aside. Unfotuntatley they hsd to live with with those that did for months and months and wete subjected to bullying

  • @wr1120
    @wr1120 11 місяців тому +4

    You do crazy things because you see others do it too and get away with it, and you don't want to be the odd one out in the group.

    • @hanscombe72
      @hanscombe72 11 місяців тому

      I watched a documentary on this group of police. That was one major thing. You could step back but you would be treated with disdain by the other members of the group so you kept shooting. And then you got used to it.

  • @johnwright291
    @johnwright291 Рік тому +6

    I tend toward the theory put forth by Daniel goldhagen in his book hitlers willing executioners.

    • @daniel135975
      @daniel135975 Місяць тому

      Absolutley, because it really analyses the historical context and build up to the point where ordinary citizens became feral killers. To the point where orders to sop the killings before the end of WWII were blissfully ignored by the people and the killings continued until the very last day.

    • @johnwright291
      @johnwright291 Місяць тому

      @@daniel135975 that certainly is a fact and the case of Hungary in 1944 really proves it. Virtually everyone knew the wars outcome by then. And thats a case where the evidence is so strong that deniers avoid mentioning it.

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      @@daniel135975 for them this was an armageddon and they were scared of jews and bolsheviks revenge that is the missing context

  • @jillianlawrie8618
    @jillianlawrie8618 8 днів тому

    This is happening in gaza

  • @nadezdapatusova8630
    @nadezdapatusova8630 Місяць тому

    Thankyou Yad Vashem for the documentation of this horrible time😢

  • @bakeneko5343
    @bakeneko5343 Рік тому +6

    Christopher R. Browning's book is amazing

    • @MisterIvyMike
      @MisterIvyMike Рік тому +2

      Read Victor Klemperer, "I Will Bear Witness 1933-1945".

    • @bakeneko5343
      @bakeneko5343 Рік тому +1

      @@MisterIvyMike Thank you

  • @LanceRomanceF4E
    @LanceRomanceF4E 9 місяців тому +3

    “We were men of the time” was a common response when asked about their generation’s participation in Nazi war crimes

  • @TonyBlu-l4b
    @TonyBlu-l4b 10 місяців тому

    Power/Authority

  • @timr8971
    @timr8971 4 місяці тому

    I've always been fascinated how normal people bought into the Nazi movement.

    • @daniel135975
      @daniel135975 Місяць тому

      There were many more Anti-Semites than Nazis. Only this can explain the horror killings.

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      They were leading step by step in a unique country and times of creating a new system, so it was like a courageous prometeism against sinister powers when they feel being part of it and raised in it. "Ordinary men" were obviously under influence local culture (there is silly claim they were not under nazi influence as middle aged).

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      ​@@daniel135975 They killed not only a Jews. They did the same things with the Poles after long propaganda, and then with other nations too. Some theories say they were afraid of Jews and Bolscheviks. Which also explains why they murdered in last days as they stand firm in their armageddon and also were in a fear of revenge.

  • @suzanneali2377
    @suzanneali2377 9 місяців тому

    0:59

  • @philholding6905
    @philholding6905 Рік тому +4

    If you are interested, look at both the Milgram and Zimbardo studies ( which have both been replicated many times since the original work), and then tell me 'normal decent people' don't do these vile actions- Called sometimes ' banal evil'.

    • @allanfifield8256
      @allanfifield8256 11 місяців тому

      The ' Milgram' experiment is not so clear cut, although it is quoted to death. The subjects were college students and some number of them figured out that it was 'theater' and went along with the pretense as a lark.
      Wikipedia: In a 2004 issue of the journal Jewish Currents, Joseph Dimow, a participant in the 1961 experiment at Yale University, wrote about his early withdrawal as a "teacher", suspicious "that the whole experiment was designed to see if ordinary Americans would obey immoral orders, as many Germans had done during the Nazi period."[24]
      In 2012 Australian psychologist Gina Perry investigated Milgram's data and writings and concluded that Milgram had manipulated the results, and that there was a "troubling mismatch between (published) descriptions of the experiment and evidence of what actually transpired." She wrote that "only half of the people who undertook the experiment fully believed it was real and of those, 66% disobeyed the experimenter".[25][26] She described her findings as "an unexpected outcome" that "leaves social psychology in a difficult situation."[27]

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      such books are criticised as there were unique germans who did it, let's not whitewash them saying like a we all would be to do such bad things

  • @jeanettesstewart807
    @jeanettesstewart807 9 місяців тому +2

    They were brought up by individuals brutalised by war and suffering from PTSD. Not an excuse just a factor to consider.

    • @LindaLinda80Linda
      @LindaLinda80Linda Місяць тому

      @@jeanettesstewart807 They started a war they lost and when they were freed from their obligations to reimburse their victims they started another war. Two world wars in the same century. The Russians lost millions more than anyone else and that led to Stalin who murdered more millions . Did he have PTSD ?

  • @mikepaleocrassas3250
    @mikepaleocrassas3250 10 місяців тому +3

    It still happens today ;look what Israel does in Gaza…

    • @richardmorgan6105
      @richardmorgan6105 10 місяців тому

      You are without knowledge! You are like your father Satan, who was antisemetic from the beginning. Repent or face the righteous judgment of your Creator!

    • @tst128
      @tst128 9 місяців тому +2

      You mean look at what Hamas did to Israel?

  • @hirokomlm131
    @hirokomlm131 9 місяців тому +2

    How did ordinary men become murderers? It started with them believing they were on the right side of history.
    Sound familiar?

  • @revelation2916
    @revelation2916 3 місяці тому +2

    He describes IDF to a T.

  • @StefanoManferlotti
    @StefanoManferlotti Рік тому +2

    So interesting, so incomplete. Many questions, no answer. Here, at least.

  • @stevenkreiss2113
    @stevenkreiss2113 Рік тому +3

    Fascinating and disturbing...

  • @sue9151
    @sue9151 Рік тому +3

    Has man learned anything about History.

    • @cookla3050
      @cookla3050 Рік тому

      No...mass killings go on

    • @MisterIvyMike
      @MisterIvyMike Рік тому

      Nope. We will repeat it again and again if the right situation will occur led by the right leaders against the right people...

  • @thomasbrookes2266
    @thomasbrookes2266 Рік тому +1

    what a book i recommend it,,, but having said that ,, the bottom line was that they were afraid for themselves, kill or be killed is the bottom line ...... FEAR.

    • @daniel135975
      @daniel135975 Місяць тому

      Don't believe this lie. There are numerous, well documented situations, and battallion 101 is one of them, where people refused to carry out orders without any consequence, whatsoever. Most Germans stood 100% behind the killings. During the 90ies I spent much time in Germany and was shocked about how strong and present the Antisemitism still is. Same in Austria and Switzerland (of which I'm a citizen).

  • @DrCruel
    @DrCruel 10 місяців тому +2

    That's easy. They learned from the socialists. They learned from the Bolsheviks.

  • @aaaht3810
    @aaaht3810 10 місяців тому +2

    Just finished reading this book. Good read.

  • @yolandacabrera4117
    @yolandacabrera4117 Рік тому +1

    Easy they had black hearts. It was not the color of skin. They had a black heart. I'm not juish but my respect l have. It's not easy seeing them kill kids. Special kids like my son.

  • @1voluntaryist
    @1voluntaryist Рік тому +1

    It's a sad fact that we have to add the redundant adjective, "rational" to the concept "self-interest" or "selfishness". An irrational self-interest or an irrational selfishness is a contradiction, i.e., an oxymoron. But, since that fact is not commonly, instantly recognized, it is necessary.
    Additionally, I don't like to focus on the role (end) of govt. as most do. It's a distraction, a waste of time. I would focus on the means of govt. because "The means determines the end".
    Since the govt. means is taken for granted, not debated, not even identified, to skip it and go to the end of govt. causes a great deal of confusion.
    I would begin with criticism and rejection of the initiation of force, threat, which is the political paradigm all governments use.
    This overwhelms, impedes reason, rights, choice, which should be the first focus as the political paradigm.
    The worldwide political paradigm harms us, e.g., "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose, gives examples of how anti-life, inhuman, irrational, the worship of authority can be.
    Past societies practiced human sacrifices and forced them on all, no exceptions allowed, no respect for dissent, discussion that might eventually change the practice.
    People who disagreed were not even allowed to exist. They were murdered.
    Superstition together with coercion is not scientific. It's not rational to exclude ideas by violence, threats, fraud.
    But the initiation of force, threats, fraud, is accepted "on faith", i.e., superstitiously, as "orderly", "civilized", and the opposite, i.e., non-violence, reason, rights, choice, is claimed to be chaos, anarchy, and is stopped by force.
    This is species suicide. Eventually, if the custom "get alone, go along by obeying authority" continues, humanity will self-destruct.

  • @chrisburns143
    @chrisburns143 11 місяців тому +1

    Most SS camp guards were the bottom of the bucket type. Drunks, criminals, and people that been at the lower end of society. Poor drunks always find someone to blame for all the problems

    • @romualdlukaszczyk7299
      @romualdlukaszczyk7299 11 місяців тому

      Bzdura! Większość zbrodniarzy którzy kierowali Holokaustem, miała wyższe wykształcenie!! Dr. Josef Mengele który dokonywał selekcji na rampie w Auschwitz, jest jednym z wielu z absolwentów niemieckich uczelni!!

  • @jvill79
    @jvill79 4 місяці тому +1

    They were fooled into believing they did the “right” thing.

    • @daniel135975
      @daniel135975 Місяць тому

      Not fooled, they were convinced!

  • @bonitareid2741
    @bonitareid2741 Рік тому +1

    Only godless people can

  • @Sir.Fisher
    @Sir.Fisher Рік тому +1

    Video does not answer the question ..................

  • @oliviaginsbourg6541
    @oliviaginsbourg6541 Рік тому +3

    This is worse because they chose mediocrity . In France ordinary people became intoxicated with cruel zealous ollaboration

  • @Hope-qi4bf
    @Hope-qi4bf Рік тому +18

    We Must Pray and Support God's Chosen People. This Shall Never Happen Again. We Shall Never Forget.

    • @Hope-qi4bf
      @Hope-qi4bf Рік тому

      @@staopnederland-qh1oh God's chosen people are the Jews. It's in the Bible

    • @DaveV173
      @DaveV173 Рік тому

      How do you explain why throughout history the Jews keep getting killed off , Are they doing something wrong ?? And what is it ? 🤔 am curious

    • @maryshaffer5675
      @maryshaffer5675 Рік тому +5

      God's people is every man, woman, child after Jesus Death.

    • @Hope-qi4bf
      @Hope-qi4bf Рік тому +4

      @@maryshaffer5675 The Bible states The Jewish People Are God's Chosen People ❤️

    • @JESUSisLORD24151
      @JESUSisLORD24151 Рік тому

      ​@@staopnederlandthe Jews were GOD's chosen people. They are the only people GOD made a covenant with and they were supposed to be a witness nation. However, they didn't recognize their visitation when JESUS came. But GOD will still fulfill HIS promise to HIS people. That is soon to take place.

  • @yolandacabrera4117
    @yolandacabrera4117 Рік тому

    But today they marry the Germans blending again. But it's what they do. Blue eyes green. But they were not in Holocaust it was there family tree. D.N.A. WILL EXPLAIN WHY? 😢

  • @ruthgallagher9584
    @ruthgallagher9584 10 місяців тому

    Ask Hamas and Israel...

  • @angelamwatts
    @angelamwatts Рік тому +4

    I think that the people most resistant to the Nazis were people who critically thought for themselves and people who were deeply religious such as devout Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses. Because the religious answer to a higher authority. The 5th Commandment by God commands "thy shalt not kill." This is why many righteous people were religious but not all.

    • @sundancetitan5675
      @sundancetitan5675 Рік тому

      Hitler was a Christian mate

    • @daniel135975
      @daniel135975 Місяць тому +1

      Although there were a few courageous Christians who protected Jews, you obviously didn't read about Pope Pius XII'th thundering silence about the Jewish extermination, even after it had been well documented prior to the war's end.

    • @TemmieContingenC
      @TemmieContingenC Місяць тому

      @@daniel135975didn’t he actually protect certain Nazis that came to him or something? Or advocated for them?

    • @WielkaStopa-qh1rr
      @WielkaStopa-qh1rr Місяць тому

      @@daniel135975 BS that was KGB secret operation to mock papacy, first ask rabbi of rome how was it

  • @pellepopcorn6129
    @pellepopcorn6129 Рік тому

    A question to be asked in Russia of today. How was “Bucha” even possible?

  • @asimotechnology1806
    @asimotechnology1806 Рік тому

    Same as mentioned in Hindus mythology that they are superior.

  • @alexanderhoffmann8368
    @alexanderhoffmann8368 Рік тому

    Gerard Menuhin : " Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil ".Bitte lesen : Professor Gerard Menuhin " Wahrheit sagen , Teufel jagen ". Жерар Менухин " Правду сказать ,чёрта прогнать " :

  • @ruoazquara6070
    @ruoazquara6070 11 місяців тому

    A nice uniform, a paycheck and a lil peer pressure

  • @mansoursadigi443
    @mansoursadigi443 Рік тому

    😩🙏🏿

  • @MichaelKMorris
    @MichaelKMorris Рік тому +5

    You're surprised that unsaved men who have little to no exposure to God would engage in sin? Y'all need to sit closer to your Bibles. Political positions are dictated by your theological choices folks.

    • @nonomnismoriar9051
      @nonomnismoriar9051 Рік тому +1

      Delusional... Your fantasies and psychological coping mechanisms do not save you. You're Christian and Protestant, correct? Did this prevent your correligionists, among others, from engaging in the horrendous transatlantic slave trade? In colonialism all over the world? In genocide and oppression of native peoples? (Perhaps you favour good old Joshua's biblical approach in warfare by killing everything that breathes?) In often preaching hatred and discrimination towards the Jews following ancient church tradition? In being the second bloc in the deadliest war in Europe until WW1 (the Thirty Years War), which by the way was proportionally deadlier to its population, and deadlier towards civilians in ABSOLUTE terms, and was only surpassed by WW2? By the way, the German regions that most supported Hitler were the Protestant ones. This isn't a direct correlation, as other largely Protestant countries were anti-Nazi, but it proves that the opposite, namely, being a Christian and the "good type" of Christian and knowing the Bible more than average, is no guarantee at all.

    • @susanne5803
      @susanne5803 Рік тому +2

      The men in this book were from Hamburg. They were probably (somewhat) practicing protestants.
      No one person is exempt from becoming torturer, murderer or victim given the circumstances. Most people are not even aware they are given a choice, they just slide down the slippery slope into evil.
      People who believe in the Christian god have done unspeakable evil. And people who believe in the Christian god have saved others or become victims themselves.
      People who don't believe in any religion have done unspeakable evil. And people who don't believe in any religion have saved others or become victims themselves.

    • @MichaelKMorris
      @MichaelKMorris Рік тому

      @susanne5803 sadly historically challenged. Almost every war of the last 100 years was started by atheists. Name a single war started by Bible believers in the last 2000 years (Catholics don't count...you have to be actually born again).
      You are right in that every type of person is capable of evil. All men are sinners in need of salvation, but the saved rarely pursue evil while the enemies of God live for it.

    • @nonomnismoriar9051
      @nonomnismoriar9051 Рік тому

      @@MichaelKMorris Re-read my comment, fool.

    • @jordanjoestar-turniptruck
      @jordanjoestar-turniptruck Рік тому +2

      We need strong Christian leaders like Stonewall Jackson. There was a biblical leader, fighting for only good things and no crimes against humanity whatsoever.

  • @joeburns88
    @joeburns88 Рік тому +1

    Group Think and tribalism is very strong, like a great title wave that washes practically everyone towards a certain action.

  • @Mr.khan_op
    @Mr.khan_op 4 місяці тому +2

    The quote - " History repeats itself" is so adept to today's circumstances where the same practical massacre is being carried out by Israelites (IDF) onto the Palestinians muslims .
    And the
    World Stands Watching 💔

  • @judithrothman4424
    @judithrothman4424 Рік тому +2

    Sad to say, still today, we have the choice to choose life over death for our innocent unborn children.

  • @conmanumber1
    @conmanumber1 10 місяців тому +1

    Germany should be held liable even today for what they did.

    • @TemmieContingenC
      @TemmieContingenC Місяць тому

      Trust me Germany does a lot to educate its people about its bleak history and they don’t shy away from stringing up old people who used to be part of the regime. No point giving them hassle for a regime that they didn’t even live in

  • @alexisleon23
    @alexisleon23 11 місяців тому

    It depends on the MENTALITY of the country you were born into....