It is what it is. Beat makers are gonna' sample and musicians are gonna compose. Both styles of production is gonna' take you to a level based on your creativity.
I made a pretty neat beat with a guitar sample on splice lol i was bored and messing around with some sounds. Usually i just download kicks, snares, 808s, stuff like that on splice. I always wondered, where do producers buy their kicks and 808s?? It seems like the free ones are too messed with already. They dont sound clean.
I'm a musician and I don't see it as cheating. I have always created original beats as well as sample based beats. My only issue with what is currently happening is I think the market is oversaturated because it's so easy to make beats. It has sort of lost its magic. You used to have 100 rappers to 1 producer, so as a beatmaker you had some status. Now the value of the art has been watered down and artist don't respect the craft as much. We didn't used to have to tag our beats to get recognition.
Not really, all musician sound the same. You've to be a natural to be noticed these days. All the raps are the same, every single one of them. These guys now sound the same on an album and for the rest of their career. If you want value, give value
I agree w u 100. One thing I have encountered as a mixer is: I had a producer send me a track that used a sample packs melody as is. Then the next guy sent the same sample. coincidence. Neither or them changed the sample from how it was sold in the pac, because friend of mine heard it and sent it to me. His version took the sample chopped it up, pitched it etc.....and was creative..
loops and free UA-cam beats fucked the whole game up. There's so many folks in the way that have no business callin themselves producers. I blame the real producers who give the sauce away that only real ones who have worked hard can make from scratch
I agree but, if you make original music with some of the current patterns like the hi hats, I still think that just any old body can make music that an artist will want to be on. Plus, most rappers don't/can't rap so I think the ratio has come down but, the talent of the artists have come down as well. Mumble rap is an actual THING where all you need to know is the melody because the words/subject matter is the same.
I really do feel what you're saying, but the thing is...beat makers who are genuinely dope *do* have that status. There is always room for those to rise above the average. There will *never* be a good substitute for time and effort. and time. and time. and consistency over time. and luck of course.
It's not cheating at all. Just because you buy the ingredients doesn't mean you can cook like a master chef. Meaning - just because you have the sample or midi packs doesn't mean you can make a 🔥 record. There is a lot that goes into making a banger then just sample or midi packs. Any real producer knows this. So whatever you can use to create that idea is just good producing
@@emericas9 How naive! Just because you know music theory doesn't mean you can make a hit record. How many musicians know music theory and have never had a hit record, countless. The true talent is in a producer ability to put it all together with or without midi or sample. If using a sample or a midi packs helps you achieve your vision then that's the producers genius. How many successful musicians have been sued for copy right infringement. Countless! Have you ever asked yourself why that is?
@@deniswilliams5043 The most successful producers/musicians/songwriters understand theory! There’s no disputing that! Glen frey, steely dan, prince, stevie, quincy, mike, organized noize, diddy, timbo, dre, ye etc.... Nothing wrong with sampling but producers that understand theory have the best sample game in the books! Ye, jus, madlib, etc. Do u know how to make 3 different samples the same key? What if two are major and one is minor? Can u make that work? Relative minors! Music modes! Different scales? It’s extremely important that u know or else ur limited! Naive huh lol
@@emericas9 The true talent of a producer is... what they produce. The spectrum is wide, and the names you mentioned have their own spectrum of actual music theory knowledge, ranging from very little to complex. For example, Diddy mostly worked with MANY other producers/writers for his projects, his own depth of theory is actually pretty limited. Have you seen Timbo lately? Watched his stream? He's almost exclusively using sample packs and barely even chopping those now, almost just loops, purely making sonic choices around the samples and using his his signature drums. Dre has been hiring ghost producers for years now and making mixing decisions around them (like he did with Khalil in the 2010s). He also is an incredible producer because of his CHOICES. What you say is extremely important is not to some of the most game changing albums in the history of music. Rza had no music theory when he did 36 chambers. Dilla, Madlib, Pete Rock, I mean KANYE came from no theory besides hearing church music and messing with sounds. Many understood scales by playing with sounds around samples. It can LEAD you to more theory knowledge when you use Midi chords. The idea behind music is to make a good song and share it. Your comments are a bit closed minded. I appreciate both sides of the coin, but don't think one needs to be exclusive.
What a time to be alive as a DJ and Producer! I use everything I can that accomplishes the track I'm trying to produce - Splice, Output, Captain Chords, whatever allows the creativity to flow without being hung up too long on the technical. At the end of the day it's about creating something the listener will enjoy and they don't care what you used to make it. To get to the penthouse i'd rather take the elevator than the stairs. #Salute
Ok, I feel like when you make a beat completely from scratch with no samples or midi files, it makes you feel more proud because it's all you. when you use samples and midi, you use other people's sounds and still create something that only you would create it's just you won't feel as proud only because you feel like someone else made the sample or the midi. In reality, it doesn't matter, depends on the type of producer you want to be. I love art, and I think everyone has different sounds to offer and I love hearing someone else's loop kit knowing I can throw a beat on it and I love the hi hats people come up with, so I use loops and hi hat midi, but when I listen to the creators beats of whatever midi or loop I used, I become fascinated because even tho I'm using their loop or their hat pattern, my beat sounds completely different than theirs. It's amazing how everyone has a different approach, I say approach and not style because we all use allot of the same style beats, but the approach is always different. I'm more concerned about royalties tbh. Some hi hat midi are just pure dope, and they have potential to carry the whole beat, but hi hats are royalty free. And loops be dope too but you can't get major placements because of communication issues or money issues. But I say follow your heart and your ears, if you wanna feel proud then put time into your music, if you wanna go ahead and make a vibe real quick or want that beat to sound dope and full in 10 mins, then use midi and loops. If anything take time out to create a loop and put a beat later. There's nothing wrong with using sounds and patterns, especially for producers like me who just started but want to get the same feeling as someone who's been doing this for years. I love that about the producer community, and if money didn't make the world go round then socializing through music would be way better like, music merchants.
When I was younger, I had time to just sit up all night and make music. Now with a family and a job, these midi packs and samples help me get thing out faster. Quickness and Quality. If you’re young and have time, take your time and enjoy the process. Get creative..... WITH THE MIDI CHORD PACKS AND SPLICE LOL. To each their own.
bolodapraducer, I started with Garageband in 2004 by dragging and dropping midi and audio loops to arranging them. All of my first beats were made of loops provided by Garageband; hence, using pre-made loops is a good way to start. I stayed with this formula until I learned how to rewrite midi chords and record audio for loops. Therefore, using both midi and audio samples is my preferred method. chopping up samples, looping them, and mixing them with midi drums and keys give a lot of access to the tonal range in a track; ie combining a low sine wave midi keyboard with a hi-range vinyl cut. thanks for the discussion.
I’ve been dabbling with midi chords... to save time... or to use them as a base idea! I’ve written many many songs over the last 30 years... I use to feel like it was cheating, but now, not so much! Thanks for the video!
I’m blessed to have grown up in an era where the intro to most songs I’ve learned are more difficult than the chords in the songs today! It’s about taking pride in your craft!
I think,midi packs,samples,are made to help those who are not good in instrument playing,but if you are a producer you should be able to come up with your on melodies,
Great video. Been having a blast reading the comments. I actually tried the MIDI chord pack last year. But I actually found two great apps that let me make my own MIDI loops EASILY on iOS. 1. Piano Motifs (uses AI to make MIDI loops) 2. TONALY (lets me make chords EASILY) Great discussion all around.
I like sampled instruments. It’s pretty cool to have something you’d never have access to right on your keyboard. Loops are kind of boring to me, though.
Actually I feel like it's the industry. For decades the industry has controlled what goes major. This leaves most people to being skipped over or having to find a way around it. People who love music but don't have the exposure to blow up. This causes a bottleneck effect where these things are created for the bottlenecked people. Say you don't know music theory, does that stop you from singing in the shower or drumming to your favorite song? We create based on what is in our heads. Sometimes its a loop we hear or a tone in a melody and we put those together to create something new an inspiring. Is it cheating? No! People who have a problem with it typically have a problem from a competitive side which ends up exposing a persons emotional side to how they do make music. People who straight up copy is different than those who put their flare on a track. You like Da Baby so you sing his song however you hate your job or you stuck in traffic so you put your own spin on Bop and make a song inspired by Da Baby. So no it's not cheating, just pay credit to who you were inspired by.
You have to trawl through a lot of library samples to find decent ones, but that's no different to crate-digging. You just have to make them your own by chopping/layering/effecting etc. Totally valid.
Ain’t Neva seen Puffy play namn keyboard. He’s rich. Keep using splice, unison, niko, loopmasters, whatever. Still gotta learn how to use it all and make it sound good. Everybody wit a stove can’t cook 👩🍳
You’re wrong about Puff. Puff had the baddest production team in the game at one time. All musicians all musicians. They were players of multiple instruments. J-dub, Dave Hall, Mario Winans, Chucky Thomson, & I’m missing a few cats but he had a team💯✊🏾
@@ernestenoch6436 I’m just happy to not be the only person that knows info like this. Puff was and possibly still is one the industries best Networker and A&R in his prime, he knew how to get brilliant musicians all in one room to create a masterpiece. You gotta have the ear for music to do shit like that.
McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's all make burgers....what sets them apart is how it's prepared. I would think the same for the packs, the creativity in the production will set it apart. Just my thought. Salute King.
Mostly from scratch. I’ll use a melodic loop as beat starter sometime but even then I’ll flip the loop until it sounds completely different. I also sample oldies sometimes. Only time I consider it cheating is if you use midi clips for the majority of the beat.
Yeah! It’s all about collaboration for sure. But definitely chop those samples up and make them your own and use them for inspiration. Definitely avoid using those samples as is do to UA-cam copyright strikes and what not when releasing beats and other music out here.👌
Hey Bolo, Quick series of questions! Is it cheating for a Muscle car mechanic to use or install a Turbo? Does it take away from his skills of tuning an engine?? Does it just help bring out the best in his performance as a motor builder??? Have a great day my man, I appreciate your outlook and value your opinion on the gear you use!!! You steered me right on the HS8's!!!
Here is my take on it. I'm an "old school" producer (started in '95). I like to use MIDI packs or loop packs for ideas. I was also a sample-heavy "East Coast Hip-Hop" type producer. The new era has a particular sound and vibe that II basically had to use midi and loop packs to get a handle on it. But I do like to create from scratch but not everyone has the same skill set ( like I said I've been producing for almost 30yrs) so those tools can be essential to newer producers. Today's generation is always searching for instant satisfaction and gratification so if midi and loop packs get your creative juices flowing then have it.
@@CMane Yes, that is true. That's why it seems like everyone is just making the same two songs over and over. Rappers don't rap anymore and singers don't sing anymore.
I can change the sound patch or instrument with VSTs and midi packs for all my synths/pads. But for realistic guitars and brass I might find an audio loop that can spice up the beat. I never use synth based sample packs. Serum, Heatup3 and Omnisphere have plenty of those.
I like captain cords for helping people like myself to label cords down 90% of the time. It helps learning cords for future use and an insight to cord progression and what would sound good. It's a second hand in helping to make beats.
Sampling is a legit art. It was the most affordable way of making music at the time for most hip hop artists back in the 80s and 90s. You can literally make entire albums with samples. It's cost effective, it saves sooooo much time and it's generally easy to learn. But when you master it, it can be something that can win you diamond records.
And dont be fooled the industry producers arent wasting time coming up with chords and melodies they have stuff submitted to them all the time and they lay drums over them and boom thats how they produce so many records at a time they ain't doing all the work a fair amount of time nobody cares who did what when its on the radio or in the club all they care about is it a BANGER!!!
The music business ain't for me anymore. Too much un-creativity and extremely weak singers and rappers. You used to have some kind of talent. Not anymore.
The best producers of all time have sampled and most of them only sample and never make a beat from scratch, so I don’t see it as a bad thing or cheating if these legends did it and became successful
Don't use midi chord packs, but I do use splice type samples. They get the creativity flowing, and I'll build around the sample. With my own ideas and melodies to compliment the sample.
Wait don't use midi when you can re arrange s midi to something new but use a sample that every one can use and your limited to edit🤔 that doesn't even add up
@@yxnggod9444 all beats are made per order. However I sense a bit of aggression in your comment,are you idk maybe up for a challenge? I mean I could be wrong however it's just the way you came off you know. It sounded like you wanted to create a channel AMD invite everyone on this video and where ever else for a set date battle. I'm sure we can figure out a way to find a trust holder of the prize which will be what ever you feel is fair enough for you time talent and participation. Would a $100.00 us currency be fair enough to start at? I'm open to go higher. Look at it this way even if you loose you'll have soooo much recognition I'm sure you can make that money back whatever it is you feel comfortable putting up. So you down or you still curious as to where my beats at🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@aishine8184 😂 if you are really good at beats I gotta hear it bro. Fuck all that talking. It’s big love over here especially when I find somebody who can inspire me. So if you nice I’ll tell you. If you’re garbage I’ll tell you. My track record is public, i go hard
Coming from the realm of playing every part to now using midis and samples, I personally love working with them to find inspiration or to create something that is beyond my ability. I still have to use my skills as a musician to alter and manipulate them to them fit musically. And if I can’t, I can always go back to playing the part!
Dude, I love the midi chord packs; they're great for messing around or sketching out ideas. As for samples, hell, it depends on how you use them; are you doing no mods, or are you tweaking it to something different. But honestly, isn't one of the core functions of the MPCs sampling? A little late to get all holier than thou at this point, don't you think?
I think midi chord packs, splice, scaler and any other tool that can help with being creative is a plus because you still have to put it all together. I was diagnosed with MS 6 years ago and have limited use of my hands I just found out about these things several months ago and these tools help me be able to do something I love to do again (music). And like Bolo says in the video, sampling has been around for a while.
Really appreciating your Insight and experience into the process your generosity with your wisdom. As a lifelong performing & Studio musician (guitar / percussion / synths / vocals) who's diving deeper into production, I think it's short-sighted to think that your hands alone can or even should play all the parts of a beat or track. Some people specialize in Rhythm others in composition, production, mixing, ambient pads, the emcee, harmonic or melodic elements. Samples can be a good way of grounding the daunting digital sound hunting process. But what you sculpt around the sample, or by manipulating it, should make for a sound that's Uniquely Yours (& will by default so long as you bring your voice to the table) either through unique combinations mixing, matching or extracting unheard sounds through manipulation. If you apply yourself in one way or several others, your voice Will come across - no matter the ingredients.
Techniques while played like an instrument. Use a sequencer like Image Line Minihost to make your own sequence, it free. I tried to drag in midi data but u can't in Minihost.
If MOZART was still alive he'd think HIP HOP is not real music!! Once upon a time "REAL DJ's' used vinyl break beats and turntables, then along came CD's and now we got digital What I'm trying to say is THE ONLY THING CONSTANT IN LIFE IS CHANGE! NOTHING STAYS THE SAME. However you make music , dont let ANYONE JUDGE YOU on whatever method you use to make music and be creative. There is ALWAYS more than one way to do things . Do your thing, be creative and make music.
I’d bet Mozart would think hip hop was the dopest thing ever actually...he was a musical pioneer and defied a lot of the norms of music at the time...pretty much just like hip hop.
*Great video topic, Bolo! My opinion is; I like the creativity of making it my own. So for me, I like to chop up loops add effects etc. BUT ULTIMATELY THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH USING SAMPLES.*
Idk maybe I’m a purist but I love searching for a sample and finding the right spot. Speeding it up slowing it down chopping it up . Pitching it up pitching it down. It’s like a puzzle but it took me a while to enjoy the process. I get the purpose of sample packs. To me it feels like everyone is using it. Sampling from a obscure song feels very special to me like opening up a Pokémon pack
I do it all. Some of my folkz say certain new modalities are cheating. But… I have to say… “didn’t I teach you how to make beats in ‘95”?! Well damn bruh! Hip Hop is what we gather from the atmosphere and stir in a pot. Sprinkle in som of our flavor and voila! Great content.
Well, I just recently found out that the Iris 2 VST has a way that you can customize certain sounds to the point of where you can create your own drum kits. I think it's unlimited on how much you can customize within the creative sounds, that way you can call it your own.👍
Yo BDP. We're about the same age and I remember what it was like to sample on my Mirage. Now that I'm a not as hungry as I used to be. I will use a chord pack depending on what I'm doing. It's all about the times. People have just forgotten what it was like grabbing your crate and trying to find the right four bars. In the end, let's be real. If its not banging it doesn't matter.
I'm with you on the hi hat midis. I use them from time to time. As for, sampling and melody midis, that is a no go. I don't want to invest time in learning to sample when I can create my own melodies. The piano roll makes it convenient to edit melodies. I have nothing against sampling though.
@@CMane The hi hat midi I have came as part of an Ave Mcree drum kit. I haven't bought any hi hat midi packs. Not gonna lie, I have thought about it. I think it is because of the cost of the packs vs. just creating my own as to why I haven't bought any. I rather buy XPs for Electra for the money.
I have never used sample pack or midi pack or other things you talk about. I do not find a problem if people use them. For my creativity I like to do the beats from scratch with my hands an keyboard creativity. I choose a kontakt library that i feel and start from scratch by let my creativity and emotion wake up. I like sometimes start from a personal chords or a sample from my old vinyle and build by that way. But I have never used a sample pack or midi pack because or other things because it’s not my definition of my creativity. People like to use it and I have no judgement of that. Every producer have his own way to express. I use my keyboard and my MPC because I like to feel physically what I play. That is why I have never used fruity loops or other mouse click to put midi. I préfère to feel the music as a musician feel his drum or guitar or bass. That is my way.peace
I'm making my own samples mostly for fx and drones sometimes percussion, but i just got an mpc one 2 months ago and bought a bunch of samples and expansion packs to jump start my own creative juices. In the end i usually mash em up no matter what so its got my own flavor...so either way i don't care!
Greetings, This is gonna HURT some feelings!!! Rotfl, I've started using some of these new samples libraries and already noticed that other people are making beats with the same samples 😳 Soooooo, now we get into the who owns what debate!!! I dropped a dope beat to an artist and the day before the release someone made a track on UA-cam with the same sample. That's when people start saying that you gotta chop it and pitch the key to make it yours, but there's only so much you can do. Rotfl
@@havenrab very few and I mean less than 5% can flip something to the point of no one knowing where it came from. Unless you're reversing every sample or chopping everything to a note level and rearranging... or "unless the sample is obscure" meaning a genre most don't listen to or, from another culture, it's never really unknown...
Question? Why buy beat machines and other sythns if you can just use an iPad? Is there a difference in using a dedicated stand-alone vs just using an iPad?
I think it depends on how your using these things... I’m more in the hard rock genre but I see this a lot with programmed drums and midi instruments...everybody starts sounding the same..I think they are great tools for writing and creating.. but just change something here and there..just like music... there’s only 7 notes.. how you put them together is what is import!! I really enjoy your content brother!!! Just subscribed!
I just started making beats about 2 years ago.... I like Output and splice .. Output helps a lot it makes a basic beat sound a little bit more professional
I am more of a midi pack user than a sample user. I love having control over how the chords/melody play out and what they sound like. I can chop up midi like some of y’all’s chop up samples and being able to use my own sound design on top makes the final product sound way different then the basic midi loop. I can write chords and melodies, and I have composed entirely original songs. I can chop samples. I can chop midi. Each project has its own way of wanting to develop. I’m just there to guide the process.
Purchase my sample packs, let's collaborate, that's what it is at the end of the day! Seeing what someone else does with something you've made is a beautiful thing. Two minds at work. Peace and love you all of you making music.
I feel you on the hi-hats, I feel that creating drum patterns outside of boom bap are a challenge for me. I do like using output and chord packs for inspiration. One of my favorite beats, I used an Apple drum loop and Output and it came out dope. I always am thinking to myself that someone's gonna find me out but SHEEIT, dope is dope.
I've made beats as a musician and I've made beats using samples. I find myself starting with a sample and building around that. I have the best results that way. 💯
I make my own chords with ez keys and scaler and captain chords when I want something made fast. Hi-hats are always made myself using reason rack poly sequencer
Just wanted to drop in to say im finally making beats!! my number one goal this year as a artist. I always seen bolo talking about making beats on the"Ipad" so i ended trying it out and beatmaker 3.. ive only had for less than 2 weeks and i absolutely love it.. thanks so much bolo! you've been biggest help and couldnt have done it without ya.. thanks for all the tutorial videos and same with drum kits!!
Dude, garage band is whereit's at, if you have an iPad and aren't fucking with garage band, you're missing out. It's a fully featured daw with excellent sounding instruments and also has plugin functionality so you can use third party synths and effects inside of it.
@@DodgaOfficial appreciate the help! the main reason i started in beatmaker 3 is because i have troubles making beats in logic so im not sure if garageband would be much help.. but i'll try it out thank you
Bolo!! Great subject. Awesome content! I remember back in the late 80's and actual instrumentalist would look down on sampling musicians. Most hip hop producers in the 80's could play only one instrument and that was the sampling drum machine of their choice. Music production is all about vision, creativity, execution and ability. An individuals choice of tool to work with doesn't matter. Regarding the music sounding the same, that speaks to the technology and how it allows almost anyone to express their musical ideas. Even if that idea is to sound like everyone else.
personally we are music producers and artists, and im learning with my MPC One i can make my own chords or use sample packs. So i dont understand how using splice or THE UNISON MIDI CHORD PACK is cheating. its not a P.E.D. Bolo i agree with you 1000% cause every once in a while i need a jumpstart to make a beat
Using premade loops is the musical equivalent of using PEDs. If I put most of these producers in a room with with some instruments and a laptop with a fresh install of their favorite DAW with not access to internet or loops, they wouldn’t be able to make a dope beat to save their lives.
I have always been more into sound design and up until about a year ago was mostly writing in midi notes and using stock synths but have been getting into the hardware lately so that has lead me to enjoy the speed and feeling of actually recording the parts and playing/sequencing things outside of the box. I would say in the future I see myself mostly using hardware but I still will use soft synths and midi for certain things or when I am traveling.
I'm a beat maker, and I don't rely on sampling. I usually make a beat, and then create my own melodies. Lately I have been using the app Chomplr. Which is a sampler app. Along with creating my own melodies to make a song. It still takes creativity to make something new out of any sounds!
I feel the same way. When it comes midi chord packs they can be useful when having a creative block. And splice is dope when I don’t want to sound like me all the time. I agree with hi-hat. My hi ha hat needs help so I use the drag and drop.
Grew up nda 90's where u had to be original. I luv all muzik but trap is the new ting rite now for this generation. I dig a song here n der, but to me all the beats sound similar. If I get good lyrics I can vibe wit it. Jus part of the natural evolution of muzik, do what makes yu happy bro. I'll chek for minute to see what's goin on, but I'm Kool wit listening to my Funk n Ol Skool hip hop joints from the past. Pay homage n big up the culture. 👊 good talk.
Never used digital plugins before, but still open to it. Sometimes I use samples from past recordings of mine, and a few .wav files that are defaults on my computer
This is a good topic in my opinion i think its ok to use for inspiration and ideas but its no different from sampling I wouldn't rely on it whole heartedly i believe in crafting my own sound because all the sample packs are recycled and it takes the art and creativity away get it how you live though.
It’s really up to each individual artist to determine where their personal line in the creative sand is drawn, and what the distinction is between originality and letting someone else structure your beat. For me, 1/2 the fun of the process is the treasure hunt of finding the right samples. Something that’s never been flipped. But IDGAF what the next kid does. It has zero effect on my output.
I think it comes down to everyone having their preferred ways of working. I might not like working with midi packs, but someone else might love it for their process. Really it all comes down to your vision, what you want to do and how you go about that in your creative process. Maybe a midi pack or a sample or a guitar pedal cracks that process open and pushes it along and that's all that matters!
I'm old. Let's get that out of the way. Bolo, what you are asking is a really complicated question. I came up as a drummer. I learned music theory at a young age and it helps me everyday. My thinking changed dramatically when I heard Public Enemy and what they were doing with samples. Before them, I looked down on sampling because people were grabbing a two bar phrase and looping it. It felt to me like these producers were just relying on the artistry of the people they were sampling and not relying on their own creativity. But when I heard PE, (really Hank Shocklee, Eric Sermon, etc.) they were putting everything into a blender and what came out was something totally different. From there on out, I had a lot more respect for sampling when it was done creatively and I recognized it for the art form it truly could be. Then my own journey with sampling began for real. Fastforward to today and we have a huge market for production content, whether it's user sample packs, chord packs, midi files, instrument presets or whatever. What is cheating? That has to be defined. I think it's cheating when you buy some software, load up your sampler, and smack a few pads or play the keyboard, and making little to no changes to the content. You really are depending almost entirely on someone else's creativity. But if you take the time to get in there and chop it, filter it, reorder it, effect it, play it, transpose it, combine with things not from the same pack in a way that works, in other words, make it your own, then you're not cheating. The reason everything sounds the same is because a) most of the content is fad based and b) producers aren't changing it up. The industry perpetuates the idea that any kid can buy a sampler and some packs and be a star. Most kids, by nature, are impatient so when someone tells them all they have to do is buy these packs and they'll be as good as _________, it's very appealing. Everyone want to make money fast and these companies play into short attention spans. The myth is perpetuated that in order to make money, you have to do what's hot now. I mean, we all need money, but if that's by far the main reason you're in the game, then cheating and originality don't matter to you. If you're in it to make a living with your artistic voice, then you'll do the work to find your style and develop it continuously. Most people are allergic to work. That's the real problem. All this being said, it's more important to encourage these kids to be creative than to put them on blast because they're not. They'll just close their ears and not give a f*ck. One must give respect to get respect and just because someone is younger, or making "fast food music" or whatever, doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected as human beings. Hating is like a drug and nothing good comes from it. So cheating is a matter of perspective and attitude. The key is to make creativity cool so kids will want to do it and be it. It's a cultural shift that needs to happen. Me personally, I use all approaches, sampling, playing live, writing my own chords and lines, whatever I need to do to make the thing happen. Anything is fair game but if it's not creative, it doesn't matter what techniques are used. It's just whack.
@@BoloDaProducer thanks, man. I'm a new subscriber and I'm digging the channel. You're a thoughtful cat and your beats are dope. Keep up the great work
I been making beats for years i know theory play steel drums and more instruments i tried the samples and it was fun ..changed keys put effects i ll use it sometimes
I feel like sample/midi packs are like the modern session musician. A lot of great producers utilized the talents and creativity of the session musicians who never got credit for their contributions even though they are the ones who may have come up with the melody or groove and the record producer used their talents to pull everything together into a song. If the creator is putting it out there to be used in that manner and another artist makes something good with it, I say it's a win-win.
In the 90s me and a friend made over 70 songs, one CD on a label and one unpublished, and there are no MIDI packs and just one sample...but im going to try MIDI Packs for inspiration and trying out samples this weekend, got around 50GB with samples legally from the web.
I look at it like the nautilus song and take me to the madi gras by bob james everybody in the previous generation to now flips those particular songs but the most notable versions have been different. Peter Piper by run dmc is different from the Memphis movement. Ghostface Daytona Rakims follow the leader and that one PM dawn are really different vibes
I play by hand mostly the last year because of hand injuries i have had to adjust and try using helpers I look at it like this to each music producer's his or her own make music by any means as long as you the one making the music weather it be by hand samples banging on pots and pans you make it its your creativity your expressions of your music ideals being shared with the world 🙏🏾🔥🙏🏾✌🏾
When you get on that keyboard you make the BEST beats in my opinion. I like the idea of sampling, I've got some sick samples I could use to make a beat. But I prefer using my VST's and playing an instrument like a musician/creator should. That is just my opinion, because I come from the Atari 1040ST and sound module era I never use a sampler personally. Just a few VST's and my heart ❤️🎹🔊
I feel like they are all just tools. I still feel some kind of way about myself if I'm just dragging and dropping tho. So I still Gotta make it my own. But the end result is all that matters. How you get there is just your creative process. Ive been a musician my whole life. Guitar and drums as a kid and wanting to learn Keys now. So I still play things but Scaler 2 is GOATED in my book. It has saved me so much time memorizing scales and modes. Especially the exotic ones. I no longer have to waist that brain power on memorization. It can all go toward creating. And just the sheer power to create chord progressions super fast is priceless. You asleep if y0u aint using Scaler.
I have been contemplating about the ready made chords because sometimes you can hear it in your head but it wont come thru your fingers. I usta do a lot of sampling but i would use the whole loop not much slicing. I am from the boom bap days tho.
I'm old school. I play bass, keys and guitar but I use samples also. I think it all good. Just make great music no matter how your make it. Because at the end of the day if it's banging nobody is go give a damn how you made it.
I’m into both I use to be salty about using samples , realized all My fav artist use them even rock like limp bizkit , slipknot , linkin park . Samples are AWESOME especially when messed with imo . Can make dope stuff . Thanks bolo
I don’t overthink on sampling the idea, i do whatever I want. It’s all about being original with your resources, if it’s either samples or making your chords from scratch, just keep creating. Once you use royalty free samples, no need to worry.
There is something magic about mastering the playing of instruments. And taping your drums out on the pads. That swing is where a lot of the bounce comes from. Quantize just takes the soul out of a record. At least nudge stuff. Once you try it you will notice a level up in your production and an understanding of music better. But your ear has to be right. You have the ear or you don’t.
Oh shit, Bolo.... u have some classics with Doe B, salute. To the subject, if a producer can make a hustle out of those sample packs, more power to them. For me, if I’m sampling, I’m digging in the crates for something old and rare. If I can clear it, cool, but there is a certain joy of flipping a vintage sample into something fresh. If I’m composing something more modern, I want it to be 100% my idea, my chord progressions, my instrumentation, etc. If anything, I’d put energy into making a sample pack than utilizing one.
Honestly, whether original or sample, to me it’s all about feeling. If it takes you somewhere it’s a go to me. The thought of cheating never crosses my mind.
Sampling old school records is apart of Hip-Hop so the way it’s done today is no different. I love splice do you know how hard it was back in the day to find a fire 🔥 sample and get that shit cleared! I don’t use the MIDI packs only because I’m learning how to play the keys 🎹. But no it’s not cheating it’s how you flip the sample. I actually like the challenge of having the same sample as everyone to see who’s going to flip it the hardest. Folks don’t let no one dictate on how you should be creative 🎨
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It is what it is. Beat makers are gonna' sample and musicians are gonna compose. Both styles of production is gonna' take you to a level based on your creativity.
That's it right there.
It's the magician, not the wand.
Agreed
THis comment should be automatice answer to the "is it cheating" question from now on.
I made a pretty neat beat with a guitar sample on splice lol i was bored and messing around with some sounds. Usually i just download kicks, snares, 808s, stuff like that on splice. I always wondered, where do producers buy their kicks and 808s?? It seems like the free ones are too messed with already. They dont sound clean.
THANK YOUUUUUUU CREATIVITY
I'm a musician and I don't see it as cheating. I have always created original beats as well as sample based beats. My only issue with what is currently happening is I think the market is oversaturated because it's so easy to make beats. It has sort of lost its magic. You used to have 100 rappers to 1 producer, so as a beatmaker you had some status. Now the value of the art has been watered down and artist don't respect the craft as much. We didn't used to have to tag our beats to get recognition.
Not really, all musician sound the same. You've to be a natural to be noticed these days. All the raps are the same, every single one of them. These guys now sound the same on an album and for the rest of their career. If you want value, give value
I agree w u 100. One thing I have encountered as a mixer is: I had a producer send me a track that used a sample packs melody as is. Then the next guy sent the same sample. coincidence. Neither or them changed the sample from how it was sold in the pac, because friend of mine heard it and sent it to me. His version took the sample chopped it up, pitched it etc.....and was creative..
loops and free UA-cam beats fucked the whole game up. There's so many folks in the way that have no business callin themselves producers. I blame the real producers who give the sauce away that only real ones who have worked hard can make from scratch
I agree but, if you make original music with some of the current patterns like the hi hats, I still think that just any old body can make music that an artist will want to be on. Plus, most rappers don't/can't rap so I think the ratio has come down but, the talent of the artists have come down as well. Mumble rap is an actual THING where all you need to know is the melody because the words/subject matter is the same.
I really do feel what you're saying, but the thing is...beat makers who are genuinely dope *do* have that status. There is always room for those to rise above the average. There will *never* be a good substitute for time and effort. and time. and time. and consistency over time. and luck of course.
It's not cheating at all. Just because you buy the ingredients doesn't mean you can cook like a master chef. Meaning - just because you have the sample or midi packs doesn't mean you can make a 🔥 record. There is a lot that goes into making a banger then just sample or midi packs. Any real producer knows this. So whatever you can use to create that idea is just good producing
Def cheating using midi packs!!!! Learn some theory
@@emericas9 How naive! Just because you know music theory doesn't mean you can make a hit record. How many musicians know music theory and have never had a hit record, countless. The true talent is in a producer ability to put it all together with or without midi or sample. If using a sample or a midi packs helps you achieve your vision then that's the producers genius. How many successful musicians have been sued for copy right infringement. Countless! Have you ever asked yourself why that is?
@@deniswilliams5043 The most successful producers/musicians/songwriters understand theory! There’s no disputing that! Glen frey, steely dan, prince, stevie, quincy, mike, organized noize, diddy, timbo, dre, ye etc.... Nothing wrong with sampling but producers that understand theory have the best sample game in the books! Ye, jus, madlib, etc. Do u know how to make 3 different samples the same key? What if two are major and one is minor? Can u make that work? Relative minors! Music modes! Different scales? It’s extremely important that u know or else ur limited! Naive huh lol
thats the truth of it it doesn't maker how you got there its what the end result is
@@emericas9 The true talent of a producer is... what they produce. The spectrum is wide, and the names you mentioned have their own spectrum of actual music theory knowledge, ranging from very little to complex. For example, Diddy mostly worked with MANY other producers/writers for his projects, his own depth of theory is actually pretty limited. Have you seen Timbo lately? Watched his stream? He's almost exclusively using sample packs and barely even chopping those now, almost just loops, purely making sonic choices around the samples and using his his signature drums. Dre has been hiring ghost producers for years now and making mixing decisions around them (like he did with Khalil in the 2010s). He also is an incredible producer because of his CHOICES. What you say is extremely important is not to some of the most game changing albums in the history of music. Rza had no music theory when he did 36 chambers. Dilla, Madlib, Pete Rock, I mean KANYE came from no theory besides hearing church music and messing with sounds. Many understood scales by playing with sounds around samples. It can LEAD you to more theory knowledge when you use Midi chords. The idea behind music is to make a good song and share it. Your comments are a bit closed minded. I appreciate both sides of the coin, but don't think one needs to be exclusive.
What a time to be alive as a DJ and Producer! I use everything I can that accomplishes the track I'm trying to produce - Splice, Output, Captain Chords, whatever allows the creativity to flow without being hung up too long on the technical. At the end of the day it's about creating something the listener will enjoy and they don't care what you used to make it. To get to the penthouse i'd rather take the elevator than the stairs. #Salute
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Ok, I feel like when you make a beat completely from scratch with no samples or midi files, it makes you feel more proud because it's all you. when you use samples and midi, you use other people's sounds and still create something that only you would create it's just you won't feel as proud only because you feel like someone else made the sample or the midi. In reality, it doesn't matter, depends on the type of producer you want to be. I love art, and I think everyone has different sounds to offer and I love hearing someone else's loop kit knowing I can throw a beat on it and I love the hi hats people come up with, so I use loops and hi hat midi, but when I listen to the creators beats of whatever midi or loop I used, I become fascinated because even tho I'm using their loop or their hat pattern, my beat sounds completely different than theirs. It's amazing how everyone has a different approach, I say approach and not style because we all use allot of the same style beats, but the approach is always different. I'm more concerned about royalties tbh. Some hi hat midi are just pure dope, and they have potential to carry the whole beat, but hi hats are royalty free. And loops be dope too but you can't get major placements because of communication issues or money issues. But I say follow your heart and your ears, if you wanna feel proud then put time into your music, if you wanna go ahead and make a vibe real quick or want that beat to sound dope and full in 10 mins, then use midi and loops. If anything take time out to create a loop and put a beat later. There's nothing wrong with using sounds and patterns, especially for producers like me who just started but want to get the same feeling as someone who's been doing this for years. I love that about the producer community, and if money didn't make the world go round then socializing through music would be way better like, music merchants.
this is true bro
When I was younger, I had time to just sit up all night and make music. Now with a family and a job, these midi packs and samples help me get thing out faster. Quickness and Quality. If you’re young and have time, take your time and enjoy the process. Get creative..... WITH THE MIDI CHORD PACKS AND SPLICE LOL. To each their own.
Same thing with me
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The exact reason i use it i work 12hr days and a family i rarely have time to sit and make beats anymore
When I was younger I was against sampling now I don’t care.
That's the worst excuse ever...
bolodapraducer,
I started with Garageband in 2004 by dragging and dropping midi and audio loops to arranging them.
All of my first beats were made of loops provided by Garageband; hence, using pre-made loops is a good way to start.
I stayed with this formula until I learned how to rewrite midi chords and record audio for loops.
Therefore, using both midi and audio samples is my preferred method.
chopping up samples, looping them, and mixing them with midi drums and keys give a lot of access to the tonal range in a track; ie combining a low sine wave midi keyboard with a hi-range vinyl cut.
thanks for the discussion.
I’ve been dabbling with midi chords... to save time... or to use them as a base idea! I’ve written many many songs over the last 30 years...
I use to feel like it was cheating, but now, not so much!
Thanks for the video!
I’m blessed to have grown up in an era where the intro to most songs I’ve learned are more difficult than the chords in the songs today! It’s about taking pride in your craft!
I think,midi packs,samples,are made to help those who are not good in instrument playing,but if you are a producer you should be able to come up with your on melodies,
Great video. Been having a blast reading the comments.
I actually tried the MIDI chord pack last year. But I actually found two great apps that let me make my own MIDI loops EASILY on iOS.
1. Piano Motifs (uses AI to make MIDI loops)
2. TONALY (lets me make chords EASILY)
Great discussion all around.
I like sampled instruments. It’s pretty cool to have something you’d never have access to right on your keyboard. Loops are kind of boring to me, though.
I flip my samples like sponge bob with krabby patty’s
I create my own samples
Actually I feel like it's the industry. For decades the industry has controlled what goes major. This leaves most people to being skipped over or having to find a way around it. People who love music but don't have the exposure to blow up. This causes a bottleneck effect where these things are created for the bottlenecked people. Say you don't know music theory, does that stop you from singing in the shower or drumming to your favorite song? We create based on what is in our heads. Sometimes its a loop we hear or a tone in a melody and we put those together to create something new an inspiring. Is it cheating? No! People who have a problem with it typically have a problem from a competitive side which ends up exposing a persons emotional side to how they do make music. People who straight up copy is different than those who put their flare on a track. You like Da Baby so you sing his song however you hate your job or you stuck in traffic so you put your own spin on Bop and make a song inspired by Da Baby. So no it's not cheating, just pay credit to who you were inspired by.
You have to trawl through a lot of library samples to find decent ones, but that's no different to crate-digging. You just have to make them your own by chopping/layering/effecting etc. Totally valid.
Bingo!
Ain’t Neva seen Puffy play namn keyboard. He’s rich. Keep using splice, unison, niko, loopmasters, whatever. Still gotta learn how to use it all and make it sound good. Everybody wit a stove can’t cook 👩🍳
THIS, tho.
that last line was a bar!
You’re wrong about Puff. Puff had the baddest production team in the game at one time. All musicians all musicians. They were players of multiple instruments. J-dub, Dave Hall, Mario Winans, Chucky Thomson, & I’m missing a few cats but he had a team💯✊🏾
@@ernestenoch6436 I’m just happy to not be the only person that knows info like this. Puff was and possibly still is one the industries best Networker and A&R in his prime, he knew how to get brilliant musicians all in one room to create a masterpiece. You gotta have the ear for music to do shit like that.
McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's all make burgers....what sets them apart is how it's prepared. I would think the same for the packs, the creativity in the production will set it apart. Just my thought. Salute King.
Mostly from scratch. I’ll use a melodic loop as beat starter sometime but even then I’ll flip the loop until it sounds completely different. I also sample oldies sometimes. Only time I consider it cheating is if you use midi clips for the majority of the beat.
It's not cheating if you can make em sound dead different from what they really sound like.
Yeah! It’s all about collaboration for sure. But definitely chop those samples up and make them your own and use them for inspiration. Definitely avoid using those samples as is do to UA-cam copyright strikes and what not when releasing beats and other music out here.👌
Hey Bolo, Quick series of questions!
Is it cheating for a Muscle car mechanic to use or install a Turbo?
Does it take away from his skills of tuning an engine??
Does it just help bring out the best in his performance as a motor builder???
Have a great day my man, I appreciate your outlook and value your opinion on the gear you use!!! You steered me right on the HS8's!!!
"Music right now it's being watered down"...one of the best and accurate sentences I've heard in a long time.
Here is my take on it. I'm an "old school" producer (started in '95). I like to use MIDI packs or loop packs for ideas. I was also a sample-heavy "East Coast Hip-Hop" type producer. The new era has a particular sound and vibe that II basically had to use midi and loop packs to get a handle on it. But I do like to create from scratch but not everyone has the same skill set ( like I said I've been producing for almost 30yrs) so those tools can be essential to newer producers. Today's generation is always searching for instant satisfaction and gratification so if midi and loop packs get your creative juices flowing then have it.
Instant satisfaction and gratification have microwave-oven’d the music industry.
@@CMane Yes, that is true. That's why it seems like everyone is just making the same two songs over and over. Rappers don't rap anymore and singers don't sing anymore.
I can change the sound patch or instrument with VSTs and midi packs for all my synths/pads. But for realistic guitars and brass I might find an audio loop that can spice up the beat. I never use synth based sample packs. Serum, Heatup3 and Omnisphere have plenty of those.
I think as long as you chop it and tweak it to make it your own it’s a great tool to get you inspired!
I like captain cords for helping people like myself to label cords down 90% of the time. It helps learning cords for future use and an insight to cord progression and what would sound good. It's a second hand in helping to make beats.
I use both. Spice definitely gets the flow going but also like creating my own melodies and drum patterns.
Sampling is a legit art. It was the most affordable way of making music at the time for most hip hop artists back in the 80s and 90s. You can literally make entire albums with samples. It's cost effective, it saves sooooo much time and it's generally easy to learn. But when you master it, it can be something that can win you diamond records.
And dont be fooled the industry producers arent wasting time coming up with chords and melodies they have stuff submitted to them all the time and they lay drums over them and boom thats how they produce so many records at a time they ain't doing all the work a fair amount of time nobody cares who did what when its on the radio or in the club all they care about is it a BANGER!!!
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The music business ain't for me anymore. Too much un-creativity and extremely weak singers and rappers. You used to have some kind of talent. Not anymore.
@@edwinragland2883 i hear that bro problem too is that so many artists sound the same
Perfect example is Miss the rage by trippy Redd . It was a loop from cymatics . It was a thing of who got to it first
@@edwinragland2883 don't worry.. Nobody will miss you too.
Sounds are sounds. it takes skill and creativity to put it all together.
Facts!!!!
The best producers of all time have sampled and most of them only sample and never make a beat from scratch, so I don’t see it as a bad thing or cheating if these legends did it and became successful
Don't use midi chord packs, but I do use splice type samples. They get the creativity flowing, and I'll build around the sample. With my own ideas and melodies to compliment the sample.
Same bro
Wait don't use midi when you can re arrange s midi to something new but use a sample that every one can use and your limited to edit🤔 that doesn't even add up
@@aishine8184 where ya beats at?
@@yxnggod9444 all beats are made per order. However I sense a bit of aggression in your comment,are you idk maybe up for a challenge? I mean I could be wrong however it's just the way you came off you know. It sounded like you wanted to create a channel AMD invite everyone on this video and where ever else for a set date battle. I'm sure we can figure out a way to find a trust holder of the prize which will be what ever you feel is fair enough for you time talent and participation. Would a $100.00 us currency be fair enough to start at? I'm open to go higher. Look at it this way even if you loose you'll have soooo much recognition I'm sure you can make that money back whatever it is you feel comfortable putting up.
So you down or you still curious as to where my beats at🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@aishine8184 😂 if you are really good at beats I gotta hear it bro. Fuck all that talking. It’s big love over here especially when I find somebody who can inspire me. So if you nice I’ll tell you. If you’re garbage I’ll tell you. My track record is public, i go hard
Coming from the realm of playing every part to now using midis and samples, I personally love working with them to find inspiration or to create something that is beyond my ability. I still have to use my skills as a musician to alter and manipulate them to them fit musically. And if I can’t, I can always go back to playing the part!
I need them Hat's too , sometimes when being original you may start feeling drained .
This became my one go to channel, even im more into electronic music european style, than rap and hip-hop...
Dude, I love the midi chord packs; they're great for messing around or sketching out ideas. As for samples, hell, it depends on how you use them; are you doing no mods, or are you tweaking it to something different. But honestly, isn't one of the core functions of the MPCs sampling? A little late to get all holier than thou at this point, don't you think?
I think midi chord packs, splice, scaler and any other tool that can help with being creative is a plus because you still have to put it all together. I was diagnosed with MS 6 years ago and have limited use of my hands I just found out about these things several months ago and these tools help me be able to do something I love to do again (music). And like Bolo says in the video, sampling has been around for a while.
Really appreciating your Insight and experience into the process your generosity with your wisdom.
As a lifelong performing & Studio musician (guitar / percussion / synths / vocals) who's diving deeper into production, I think it's short-sighted to think that your hands alone can or even should play all the parts of a beat or track.
Some people specialize in Rhythm others in composition, production, mixing, ambient pads, the emcee, harmonic or melodic elements.
Samples can be a good way of grounding the daunting digital sound hunting process. But what you sculpt around the sample, or by manipulating it, should make for a sound that's Uniquely Yours (& will by default so long as you bring your voice to the table) either through unique combinations mixing, matching or extracting unheard sounds through manipulation.
If you apply yourself in one way or several others, your voice Will come across - no matter the ingredients.
Techniques while played like an instrument. Use a sequencer like Image Line Minihost to make your own sequence, it free. I tried to drag in midi data but u can't in Minihost.
If MOZART was still alive he'd think HIP HOP is not real music!! Once upon a time "REAL DJ's' used vinyl break beats and turntables, then along came CD's and now we got digital What I'm trying to say is THE ONLY THING CONSTANT IN LIFE IS CHANGE! NOTHING STAYS THE SAME. However you make music , dont let ANYONE JUDGE YOU on whatever method you use to make music and be creative. There is ALWAYS more than one way to do things . Do your thing, be creative and make music.
I’d bet Mozart would think hip hop was the dopest thing ever actually...he was a musical pioneer and defied a lot of the norms of music at the time...pretty much just like hip hop.
GMAB dude!! If Mozart was alive he’d be making beats
@@TeslaOsiris 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯
*Great video topic, Bolo! My opinion is; I like the creativity of making it my own. So for me, I like to chop up loops add effects etc. BUT ULTIMATELY THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH USING SAMPLES.*
“If I had this when I was ... I’d prolly be a billionaire by now”
“Unison. Unison. Unison midi chord pack”
You can still get it, if you're skilled enough!
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😆😆😆😆I can't y'all. This kills me all the time. Those ads haunts me☠️☠️
That was output not unison.
With the time Frame of this video i could agree but how you liking music now its opening a WHOLE new realm
Idk maybe I’m a purist but I love searching for a sample and finding the right spot. Speeding it up slowing it down chopping it up . Pitching it up pitching it down. It’s like a puzzle but it took me a while to enjoy the process. I get the purpose of sample packs. To me it feels like everyone is using it. Sampling from a obscure song feels very special to me like opening up a Pokémon pack
I do it all. Some of my folkz say certain new modalities are cheating. But… I have to say… “didn’t I teach you how to make beats in ‘95”?! Well damn bruh! Hip Hop is what we gather from the atmosphere and stir in a pot. Sprinkle in som of our flavor and voila! Great content.
Well, I just recently found out that the Iris 2 VST has a way that you can customize certain sounds to the point of where you can create your own drum kits. I think it's unlimited on how much you can customize within the creative sounds, that way you can call it your own.👍
Yo BDP. We're about the same age and I remember what it was like to sample on my Mirage. Now that I'm a not as hungry as I used to be. I will use a chord pack depending on what I'm doing. It's all about the times. People have just forgotten what it was like grabbing your crate and trying to find the right four bars. In the end,
let's be real. If its not banging it doesn't matter.
I'm with you on the hi hat midis. I use them from time to time. As for, sampling and melody midis, that is a no go. I don't want to invest time in learning to sample when I can create my own melodies. The piano roll makes it convenient to edit melodies. I have nothing against sampling though.
I can’t get into hi-hat midi packs.... They just don’t click for me. Gotta create my own...
@@CMane The hi hat midi I have came as part of an Ave Mcree drum kit. I haven't bought any hi hat midi packs. Not gonna lie, I have thought about it. I think it is because of the cost of the packs vs. just creating my own as to why I haven't bought any. I rather buy XPs for Electra for the money.
Do you use a analog mixer to rock beats and if so how do you collaborate it with your daw ?
No mixer I run everything through Dangerous music monitor st
you seem like an honest man @bolodaproducer
you get a new subscriber today
Thanks!
I have never used sample pack or midi pack or other things you talk about. I do not find a problem if people use them. For my creativity I like to do the beats from scratch with my hands an keyboard creativity. I choose a kontakt library that i feel and start from scratch by let my creativity and emotion wake up. I like sometimes start from a personal chords or a sample from my old vinyle and build by that way. But I have never used a sample pack or midi pack because or other things because it’s not my definition of my creativity. People like to use it and I have no judgement of that. Every producer have his own way to express. I use my keyboard and my MPC because I like to feel physically what I play. That is why I have never used fruity loops or other mouse click to put midi. I préfère to feel the music as a musician feel his drum or guitar or bass. That is my way.peace
I'm making my own samples mostly for fx and drones sometimes percussion, but i just got an mpc one 2 months ago and bought a bunch of samples and expansion packs to jump start my own creative juices. In the end i usually mash em up no matter what so its got my own flavor...so either way i don't care!
Greetings,
This is gonna HURT some feelings!!! Rotfl, I've started using some of these new samples libraries and already noticed that other people are making beats with the same samples 😳
Soooooo, now we get into the who owns what debate!!! I dropped a dope beat to an artist and the day before the release someone made a track on UA-cam with the same sample. That's when people start saying that you gotta chop it and pitch the key to make it yours, but there's only so much you can do. Rotfl
I notice that bro so I’m gone pitch it or reverse the sample make it sound a little different cause everyone is buying the same sample packs 👍🏾
Always flip your sample always
@@havenrab very few and I mean less than 5% can flip something to the point of no one knowing where it came from. Unless you're reversing every sample or chopping everything to a note level and rearranging... or "unless the sample is obscure" meaning a genre most don't listen to or, from another culture, it's never really unknown...
@@geebee44 when searching for samples like 70s soul search stuff From aisa stuff is just as goood without being so obvious
@@havenrab lol, preciate it... (although I'm 48 and understand the digging process)
Question?
Why buy beat machines and other sythns if you can just use an iPad?
Is there a difference in using a dedicated stand-alone vs just using an iPad?
Love your input. I’d say the music all sounds the same because it follows what’s popping at the moment. It changes a little bit every two years.
I think it depends on how your using these things... I’m more in the hard rock genre but I see this a lot with programmed drums and midi instruments...everybody starts sounding the same..I think they are great tools for writing and creating.. but just change something here and there..just like music... there’s only 7 notes.. how you put them together is what is import!! I really enjoy your content brother!!! Just subscribed!
Great content! I'm struggling with this right now as a older producer. But not anymore. I needed to hear this
I just started making beats about 2 years ago.... I like Output and splice .. Output helps a lot it makes a basic beat sound a little bit more professional
I am more of a midi pack user than a sample user.
I love having control over how the chords/melody play out and what they sound like.
I can chop up midi like some of y’all’s chop up samples and being able to use my own sound design on top makes the final product sound way different then the basic midi loop.
I can write chords and melodies, and I have composed entirely original songs. I can chop samples. I can chop midi. Each project has its own way of wanting to develop. I’m just there to guide the process.
Purchase my sample packs, let's collaborate, that's what it is at the end of the day! Seeing what someone else does with something you've made is a beautiful thing. Two minds at work. Peace and love you all of you making music.
I feel you on the hi-hats, I feel that creating drum patterns outside of boom bap are a challenge for me. I do like using output and chord packs for inspiration. One of my favorite beats, I used an Apple drum loop and Output and it came out dope. I always am thinking to myself that someone's gonna find me out but SHEEIT, dope is dope.
I've made beats as a musician and I've made beats using samples. I find myself starting with a sample and building around that. I have the best results that way. 💯
I make my own chords with ez keys and scaler and captain chords when I want something made fast. Hi-hats are always made myself using reason rack poly sequencer
Just wanted to drop in to say im finally making beats!! my number one goal this year as a artist. I always seen bolo talking about making beats on the"Ipad" so i ended trying it out and beatmaker 3.. ive only had for less than 2 weeks and i absolutely love it.. thanks so much bolo! you've been biggest help and couldnt have done it without ya.. thanks for all the tutorial videos and same with drum kits!!
Dude, garage band is whereit's at, if you have an iPad and aren't fucking with garage band, you're missing out. It's a fully featured daw with excellent sounding instruments and also has plugin functionality so you can use third party synths and effects inside of it.
@@DodgaOfficial is there a lot of good stock sounds?
@@sullyb337 yes, the stock sounds are amazing and it comes with a huge library of loops and samples as well. It's also free which is a huge plus
@@DodgaOfficial appreciate the help! the main reason i started in beatmaker 3 is because i have troubles making beats in logic so im not sure if garageband would be much help.. but i'll try it out thank you
I get chord ideas from Scaler 2, then I play them in myself. It's a very useful tool for me.
Sampling is cool. I just like everything exclusive. I can say nobody has this.
Bolo!! Great subject. Awesome content! I remember back in the late 80's and actual instrumentalist would look down on sampling musicians. Most hip hop producers in the 80's could play only one instrument and that was the sampling drum machine of their choice. Music production is all about vision, creativity, execution and ability. An individuals choice of tool to work with doesn't matter. Regarding the music sounding the same, that speaks to the technology and how it allows almost anyone to express their musical ideas. Even if that idea is to sound like everyone else.
Every song I hear on the radio, always use that 808 bass or bass drums in their beats.
personally we are music producers and artists, and im learning with my MPC One i can make my own chords or use sample packs. So i dont understand how using splice or THE UNISON MIDI CHORD PACK is cheating. its not a P.E.D. Bolo i agree with you 1000% cause every once in a while i need a jumpstart to make a beat
Using premade loops is the musical equivalent of using PEDs. If I put most of these producers in a room with with some instruments and a laptop with a fresh install of their favorite DAW with not access to internet or loops, they wouldn’t be able to make a dope beat to save their lives.
I'd only use a sample from a different genre to the track I'm making, for example I'd use an old random sample and put it to a trap/rnb beat ect
I have always been more into sound design and up until about a year ago was mostly writing in midi notes and using stock synths but have been getting into the hardware lately so that has lead me to enjoy the speed and feeling of actually recording the parts and playing/sequencing things outside of the box. I would say in the future I see myself mostly using hardware but I still will use soft synths and midi for certain things or when I am traveling.
I'm a beat maker, and I don't rely on sampling. I usually make a beat, and then create my own melodies. Lately I have been using the app Chomplr. Which is a sampler app. Along with creating my own melodies to make a song. It still takes creativity to make something new out of any sounds!
I feel the same way. When it comes midi chord packs they can be useful when having a creative block. And splice is dope when I don’t want to sound like me all the time. I agree with hi-hat. My hi ha hat needs help so I use the drag and drop.
Grew up nda 90's where u had to be original. I luv all muzik but trap is the new ting rite now for this generation. I dig a song here n der, but to me all the beats sound similar. If I get good lyrics I can vibe wit it. Jus part of the natural evolution of muzik, do what makes yu happy bro. I'll chek for minute to see what's goin on, but I'm Kool wit listening to my Funk n Ol Skool hip hop joints from the past. Pay homage n big up the culture. 👊 good talk.
Never used digital plugins before, but still open to it. Sometimes I use samples from past recordings of mine, and a few .wav files that are defaults on my computer
This is a good topic in my opinion i think its ok to use for inspiration and ideas but its no different from sampling I wouldn't rely on it whole heartedly i believe in crafting my own sound because all the sample packs are recycled and it takes the art and creativity away get it how you live though.
It’s really up to each individual artist to determine where their personal line in the creative sand is drawn, and what the distinction is between originality and letting someone else structure your beat. For me, 1/2 the fun of the process is the treasure hunt of finding the right samples. Something that’s never been flipped. But IDGAF what the next kid does. It has zero effect on my output.
I think it comes down to everyone having their preferred ways of working. I might not like working with midi packs, but someone else might love it for their process.
Really it all comes down to your vision, what you want to do and how you go about that in your creative process. Maybe a midi pack or a sample or a guitar pedal cracks that process open and pushes it along and that's all that matters!
It’s cheating just as much as music theory is just a “theory”. Regardless of how it’s made. If it sounds good, it is good.
I'm old. Let's get that out of the way. Bolo, what you are asking is a really complicated question. I came up as a drummer. I learned music theory at a young age and it helps me everyday. My thinking changed dramatically when I heard Public Enemy and what they were doing with samples. Before them, I looked down on sampling because people were grabbing a two bar phrase and looping it. It felt to me like these producers were just relying on the artistry of the people they were sampling and not relying on their own creativity. But when I heard PE, (really Hank Shocklee, Eric Sermon, etc.) they were putting everything into a blender and what came out was something totally different. From there on out, I had a lot more respect for sampling when it was done creatively and I recognized it for the art form it truly could be. Then my own journey with sampling began for real.
Fastforward to today and we have a huge market for production content, whether it's user sample packs, chord packs, midi files, instrument presets or whatever. What is cheating? That has to be defined. I think it's cheating when you buy some software, load up your sampler, and smack a few pads or play the keyboard, and making little to no changes to the content. You really are depending almost entirely on someone else's creativity. But if you take the time to get in there and chop it, filter it, reorder it, effect it, play it, transpose it, combine with things not from the same pack in a way that works, in other words, make it your own, then you're not cheating.
The reason everything sounds the same is because a) most of the content is fad based and b) producers aren't changing it up. The industry perpetuates the idea that any kid can buy a sampler and some packs and be a star. Most kids, by nature, are impatient so when someone tells them all they have to do is buy these packs and they'll be as good as _________, it's very appealing. Everyone want to make money fast and these companies play into short attention spans. The myth is perpetuated that in order to make money, you have to do what's hot now. I mean, we all need money, but if that's by far the main reason you're in the game, then cheating and originality don't matter to you. If you're in it to make a living with your artistic voice, then you'll do the work to find your style and develop it continuously. Most people are allergic to work. That's the real problem.
All this being said, it's more important to encourage these kids to be creative than to put them on blast because they're not. They'll just close their ears and not give a f*ck. One must give respect to get respect and just because someone is younger, or making "fast food music" or whatever, doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected as human beings. Hating is like a drug and nothing good comes from it. So cheating is a matter of perspective and attitude. The key is to make creativity cool so kids will want to do it and be it. It's a cultural shift that needs to happen.
Me personally, I use all approaches, sampling, playing live, writing my own chords and lines, whatever I need to do to make the thing happen. Anything is fair game but if it's not creative, it doesn't matter what techniques are used. It's just whack.
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@@BoloDaProducer thanks, man. I'm a new subscriber and I'm digging the channel. You're a thoughtful cat and your beats are dope. Keep up the great work
I been making beats for years i know theory play steel drums and more instruments i tried the samples and it was fun ..changed keys put effects i ll use it sometimes
I feel like sample/midi packs are like the modern session musician. A lot of great producers utilized the talents and creativity of the session musicians who never got credit for their contributions even though they are the ones who may have come up with the melody or groove and the record producer used their talents to pull everything together into a song. If the creator is putting it out there to be used in that manner and another artist makes something good with it, I say it's a win-win.
.....and the crazy shit is when the algorithms start comparing the sound structures and harmonic . ..and deny your ownership.
In the 90s me and a friend made over 70 songs, one CD on a label and one unpublished, and there are no MIDI packs and just one sample...but im going to try MIDI Packs for inspiration and trying out samples this weekend, got around 50GB with samples legally from the web.
I look at it like the nautilus song and take me to the madi gras by bob james everybody in the previous generation to now flips those particular songs but the most notable versions have been different. Peter Piper by run dmc is different from the Memphis movement. Ghostface Daytona Rakims follow the leader and that one PM dawn are really different vibes
I play by hand mostly the last year because of hand injuries i have had to adjust and try using helpers I look at it like this to each music producer's his or her own make music by any means as long as you the one making the music weather it be by hand samples banging on pots and pans you make it its your creativity your expressions of your music ideals being shared with the world 🙏🏾🔥🙏🏾✌🏾
When you get on that keyboard you make the BEST beats in my opinion. I like the idea of sampling, I've got some sick samples I could use to make a beat.
But I prefer using my VST's and playing an instrument like a musician/creator should. That is just my opinion, because I come from the Atari 1040ST and sound module era
I never use a sampler personally. Just a few VST's and my heart ❤️🎹🔊
I feel like they are all just tools. I still feel some kind of way about myself if I'm just dragging and dropping tho. So I still Gotta make it my own. But the end result is all that matters. How you get there is just your creative process. Ive been a musician my whole life. Guitar and drums as a kid and wanting to learn Keys now. So I still play things but Scaler 2 is GOATED in my book. It has saved me so much time memorizing scales and modes. Especially the exotic ones. I no longer have to waist that brain power on memorization. It can all go toward creating. And just the sheer power to create chord progressions super fast is priceless. You asleep if y0u aint using Scaler.
facts.. im glad u made this. i was feeling the same way
What’s getting more placements the cord packs or the original composed melodies?
Getting placements but still unknown and broke 😆
I have been contemplating about the ready made chords because sometimes you can hear it in your head but it wont come thru your fingers. I usta do a lot of sampling but i would use the whole loop not much slicing. I am from the boom bap days tho.
I'm old school. I play bass, keys and guitar but I use samples also. I think it all good. Just make great music no matter how your make it. Because at the end of the day if it's banging nobody is go give a damn how you made it.
I’m into both I use to be salty about using samples , realized all
My fav artist use them even rock like limp bizkit , slipknot , linkin park . Samples are AWESOME especially when messed with imo . Can make dope stuff . Thanks bolo
I don’t overthink on sampling the idea, i do whatever I want. It’s all about being original with your resources, if it’s either samples or making your chords from scratch, just keep creating. Once you use royalty free samples, no need to worry.
There is something magic about mastering the playing of instruments. And taping your drums out on the pads. That swing is where a lot of the bounce comes from. Quantize just takes the soul out of a record. At least nudge stuff. Once you try it you will notice a level up in your production and an understanding of music better. But your ear has to be right. You have the ear or you don’t.
Hahah omg “THE MIDI PACK”. Subbed. You’re awesome.
Oh shit, Bolo.... u have some classics with Doe B, salute. To the subject, if a producer can make a hustle out of those sample packs, more power to them.
For me, if I’m sampling, I’m digging in the crates for something old and rare. If I can clear it, cool, but there is a certain joy of flipping a vintage sample into something fresh. If I’m composing something more modern, I want it to be 100% my idea, my chord progressions, my instrumentation, etc. If anything, I’d put energy into making a sample pack than utilizing one.
Honestly, whether original or sample, to me it’s all about feeling. If it takes you somewhere it’s a go to me. The thought of cheating never crosses my mind.
Sampling old school records is apart of Hip-Hop so the way it’s done today is no different.
I love splice do you know how hard it was back in the day to find a fire 🔥 sample and get that shit cleared!
I don’t use the MIDI packs only because I’m learning how to play the keys 🎹.
But no it’s not cheating it’s how you flip the sample.
I actually like the challenge of having the same sample as everyone to see who’s going to flip it the hardest.
Folks don’t let no one dictate on how you should be creative 🎨
ngl i just subscribed on the strength of that crisp camera and the intro track. wow. looking forward to digging in here brotha