Israel's diplomacy just keeps making more and more enemies for no good reason. Same happened in Poland: we voted for Palestine to be a full member of the UN and Israel's ambassador in Poland threw a fit in response.
Poland: look I am on your side and hate Islamic fundamentalist, but we have to admit Palestine statehood. Irasel: you are a traitor and would let jews to the Nazis!!
Im usually of the opinion that announcements like this doesn’t actually change much. But it does signal to other countries shifting perceptions and ways of approaching Palestine within these countries, which is why they are important to notice.
@@starmaker75 Leo Varadkar has Been saying Ireland would recognize but only do as whole of EU rather than one nation but his successor is little more nationalist in his heart and decide go ahead without need EU to do it
Well actually, you can say Palestine is independent.Except for the fact that the Israeli army is keeping the Order for them...And the fact that Israel surpresses most of the extreme Jihadi factions...So yeah...Independence!
@dimaignatiev6370 lol, israel has a history of suppressing secular independance movements in palestine and promoting/supporting jihadist movements. Right-wing Israeli governments need a foil to maintain occupation and expansion of settlements. Lets also not forget the most pro-peace israeli president was assassinated with wide support and edorsment by society and currrent leaders.
To be fair the people that are infront of this movemenr are a bit shady, like Macrom supportinf Ukraine, is just wet paper, but hey more power to You guys.
At this point, I’m convinced that Netanyahu is willing to do anything to stay in power, regardless of how much it damages Israel’s international reputation in the process.
It's not all on him though, some of Israel's other politicians are just as monstrous and should be held accountable. Israel isn't like Russia where you get defenestrated if you speak up
Bull crap its real easy for you Europeans who are thousands of miles away to tell Israel how it can fight a war when you dont have to deal with hamas @@rene280195
The announcement of Rishi calling for the general election in July was the most memeble thing I've seen in my life. Not only it started raining, but someone blasted out 'Things can only get better' in a speaker nearby. The overall feeling of failure has to be the worst ever beginning of a political campaign in years.
Because it’s after they started 5th terrorist war, while most of Palestinians still would vote in radical Islamist that wants violence. Why not recognise ISIS then?
@@fionanosullivan6522 You "shudder"? Have a bit more nuance. It's not an easy word to pronounce, just as I wouldn't expect a Chinese person to pronounce "ostentatious" perfectly on their first try. It's a hard word to pronounce with sounds that aren't native to their language. Don't be so judgemental.
Most nations officially support a two states solution, so the recognition of Palestine statehood is something that is on the roadmap for these countries. Ireland, Spain & Norway simply chose to act on it now because it's a powerful symbolic gesture at a time when it's very obvious that Israel actions in Gaza are completely disproportionate to its right to self-defense..
Another way to see it is: Hamas has gain the support of Spain president and other Spain mimisters, and said president is trying to make a smoke screen around his wife corription investigation through a diplomatic action, so Israel is mad with this political movemenr because: 1) some of the isreali ministers are monster and asshole 2) is like a treat to Hamas, they started this particular conflict and now they have a political Ally within the EU, Pedro Sánchez.
maybe there could be a Muslim willing to be president that you could write-in a vote for? or vote for the Greens if available in your state as they are pro-peace in general? or you could just abstain if you don’t want your voice to be heard
LOL Israel took control over the Philadelphi Corridor today. Now there are even less chances for a Palestinian state to ever be possible. The international community can do as they please, the facts speak louder than their tantrums. Palestine is not independent.
Getting more than a little tired of the media over emphasising the vote winning capability of Nigel Farage. Remember that he has stood for election to the UK parliament 7 times and failed every time. Maybe he will help Trump to similar success.
He's seen as the lead voice of people to the right of the Conservatives and gets given air time in the media by people who want to shift UK political discourse rightwards. Remember that a lot of the UK medias journalists/reporters see the Conservatives as the default middle ground as they are in the same political bubble, are friends with and went to the same schools/universities as them.
I think it's less about 'ability to win' and more about 'ability to take votes away from people on the same end of the political spectrum'. Nobody is really expecting him to 'win', but the Tories are likely very glad that he isn't running for that reason alone - the UK has a very different culture around voting for non-primary parties even in elections where it is strategically disadvantageous, compared to, say, the US.
Canada has the far right, xenophobic, somewhat Trumpian "People's Party of Canada" led by a disgruntled politician who didn't think that the Conservatives' shift to the right was far right enough. Although it got more votes in 2021 hitting about 6% of voters by getting almost all the votes of Canadians who are full bore anti-vaxers the People's Party didn't win a single seat in the country for the second election in a row. I'm not sure if it cost Conservatives any seats in either 2019 or 2021. Now that vaccine mandates are long gone I suspect that the People's Party will in the next election fall back to 2% of voters where it was in 2019 and likely will fall into complete irrelevance after that, especially as the Conservatives have moved even further right.
There is a big discussion in Czechia, if we recognise Palestine, current government says no, but other people say yes. Complicated thing after the split of Czechoslovakia
Yeah, here in Czechia we overwhelmingly support Israel with extremely small portion of population expressing sympathy with Palestine. Calling it Big, is disingenuous.
Genuine question with no political agenda. If, say, Ireland, Norway or Spain “recognises” Palestine: 1) What territory does it recognise as constituting the boundaries of that state? 2) Who does it recognise as the de jure (or even de facto) government of that state? Given that the West Bank and Gaza are not physically connected, and have different governments (one of which is arguably not currently in control of its territory), which one does it choose, and why?
My country recognised Palestine years ago and we simply say that the border havent been decided yet. Its done so the 2 state solution will be more likely. Btw this does not mean that we support hamas or any other terrorist group.
It doesn't mean anything. No country recognizes Palestinian borders or government. Practically, Israel controls everything but Gaza (although they have now set foothold in the territory). The West Bank and Gaza are ruled by different bodies, but the West Bank is overseen by Israel. Contrast that with Taiwan, which is de facto an independent country but not recognized as such. In the current global order, being recognized as an independent state comes with certain benefits. Palestine cannot take advantage of most of them however, because it's just not independent. Having other countries recognize Palestine is a way for them to show disapproval of Israel. Nothing more, nothing less.
It’s interesting that Eastern European states mostly recognize Palestine whereas Western European states mostly don’t, while the public opinion tends to be the opposite, as I see a lot of Western Europeans calling out Israel recently and protesting, whereas Eastern Europeans either don’t seem to care that much, or tend to be more in favour of Israel (I’m not taking any sides here, but the latter is a bit unfortunate, because those who seem to support Israel often do so not because they are informed in the conflict, but due to prejudices against Arabs). Obviously, I know that public opinion can differ a lot, and is probably different in places like Bosnia and Serbia than Hungary and Czechia, and I also know that Eastern European recognition of Palestine often happened thanks to the USSR. But it’s still an interesting development.
The Palestinians probably find it hilarious as they have been offered that 5 times since 1948 and rejected it because they only believe in a one state solution.
@@frankyyaggabot6222 The main problem with that was sovereignty, Israel wanted Palestine to have no army, Israel would control the Jordan river border, and would be able to invade or in their words "can freely operate within Palestinian state to rid terrorists", and wanted settlers to stay where they were. And Palestine didn't reject it, but wanted clarifications. Palestine wanted full control of its resources and the ability to have a military, however Yasser Arafat (who had mandate from all Palestinian groups to negotiate) did accept. The "Palestine didn't accept peace" is a lie that Israelis spread.
@@frankyyaggabot6222 according to u that is. Those offers are highly biased and one-sided in favor of iz ra tel. That's why some of them were rejected. (Code word "SOME"not all)
@@svenrio8521 I find it extremely unimaginative of you that you can't think of any other solution to get angry people to stop rioting other than force. You could pause the reform to appease them and then meet with them address their concerns and compromise
I don't know about Norway and Spain, but for Ireland it's about centuries of having been the testing ground for the worst parts of British colonialism combined with a "famine" where the Irish people starved while Ireland was exporting food to Britian because the Irish had been forced onto a diet of pretty much only potatoes.
Sadly, the history is still deliberately mistaught in Ireland, which is why their Taoiseach has taken the side of Hamas which will embolden other terrorists across the world. I hope the following helps and starts a course of checking what readers were taught in school: 1) The Palestine Mandate was not British colonialism. The League of Nations asked Britain to arrange a homeland for the Jews, as Britain was one of the few nations with even a vague possibility of doing so. Two states were created with Arab Muslims given Jordan and Israel to the Jews. 2) There were far more famines in Ireland before 1801, but these could not be blamed on the British as there was still an Irish Government. British brought new technology and industry, which reduced these famines, but did not eradicate them. 3) The independence movement started the disingenuous view that all the landlords were British. They were almostly entirely Irish and the same families as before 1801, but they practised the "British religion" of Protestantism or lived in London, which is common around the world for the wealthy to live near the capital. Even the Scots that were moved there centuries earlier were termed British, as they were not Catholic and represented the ruling class. This was designed to create a common enemy for the working Catholic peasants, albeit the leaders were mostly middle class. Paradoxically, American families who left 300 years ago and have never visited Ireland are considered Irish. 4) Britain was made up of MPs from all 4 nations, but, since 1801, it was not de rigueur to mess with domestic affairs. The British government, Crown and people sent the equivalent of billions of pounds in aid and, eventually, it was Britain that resolved the problem. 5) And what the Irish education system especially ignores is that Britain and Europe were all suffering famines following poor harvests across the Continent. 6) Following independence, there was a significant risk the Irish people would want to rejoin Britain, so the teaching of history was amended with many facts now almost impossible to research online under the tide of falsehoods. It is time to return to the truth and I hope readers will undertake some research, so Britain and Ireland can bury the past. 7) There were definitely heinous acts carried out by the British government or its agents, but these occurred across all 4 nations and undertaken by people from all 4 nations.
That has little to do with separatism. Or are you implying Palestine was never meant to be a country like the UN said, and that instead is a separatist region of Israel?
@@maxman4948They already do, one of the EU countries who takes more migrants. Anyway if you love Israel so much why don’t you go there to live? What a lame comment:
Israel is all like "yea we support 2 state solution, see we even retreated from Gaza a few decades ago", and is triggered after someone recognizes Palestine.
You kow there are different sides in israel, left wing and right wing like everywhere else, the current goverment is an extremist right wing who dont want 2 states, its not speical to have that sincw its like that everyone yet you need to make one side the entire population of israel
@@erellevi4400I mean, stats and polls show most Israelis don’t support a two state solution. So if Bibi’s an extremist, most Israelis aren’t that far off
they agreed many many years ago and declare State of Israel but the islamo-terrorist star war, and until this day they don't want two states solution, the only thing they want is to erase Israel. but every time they are starting the war, loosing and crying! and for NO reason I have to pay as an eu cityzen millions euros for "help" and the terrorist use those money to make fkg rockets!
@@Catmint309 the right wing does not want two states, i was saying that other then that the current goverment is extremist anyway, yes the majority is right wing yet there are left wings who support 2 states and those are the people he talks about
@@ofer3000 Both were oppressed for a long time, and both had similar situations. As google puts it, Lubomír Zaorálek said that Czech media and society viewed Israel as a trusted friend, a vibrant democracy, and an economic and technological powerhouse, adding that the Czech Republic had one of the lowest levels of anti-Semitism in Europe.
Somaliland isn't currently facing genocide and a whole host of other severe issues related to a occupation by Israel... Most countries respect that Somaliland should earn its independence through an agreement with Somalia. Especially with Ethiopian support for Somaliland they have some leverage over Somalia.
@@Luredreier genocide lmao? Don't be insane. The only thing even remotely related to genocide in this situation was by Hamas on Jews on 7th October 2023. Unlike Hamas, Israel don't target civilians...
Taiwan is a complicated case. Why you may ask? Because, it's officially the Republic of China. It includes not only the biggest Island (Taiwan) but other smaller islands. Also, it claims the whole territory under the People's Republic of China. So, you see, it's not Taiwan and China but the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China. You can recognize either one, not both. Both have claims on the same territory. This issue is a little different than the Israel-Palestine issue. This is why most countries recognize PRC because they can recognize only ONE and PRC is more beneficial one to recognize.
@@NoEndForUs the Reichkommasarit of Palestine I mean PA don't claim entire historical palastine as thier own country. Plus settler states are bad and guess who is a settler state in Taiwan (ROC)
Thank you for using the word 'Taoiseach' and not 'Prime Minster' when referring to Simon Harris. A lot of news outlets (including TLDR in the past) use the term Prime Minster when referring to our Taoiseach.
The last bit of news is actually encouraging. It's good to know that there are some who still give generously and selflessly without seeking reward, recompense, or recognition.
I'd actually say, that two states is nonsense. I keep thinking about split of British Raj into India and Pakistan, where both eastern and western halves of Pakistan were administered from the West, but were fairly different, to the point that East declared independence on West, had a war with the West and now is a separate country. I wonder, given how long has this mess had been left to persist, just how much have the populations changed? Whether we'd not get a repeat of what happened around India, if we went with the two state solution, given it's decades old concept. So maybe, it would be more prudent to split theoretical Palestinian state into two territorially homogeneous states.
Thats a interesting view, but its important to know that Pakistan and Bangladesh were vastly different countries, especially in terms of culture and beliefs so it would be applicable if the two theoretical states were that different (Which idk much about Palestiniani culture), its also important to know that if it were not for India's massive support for rebels in Bangladesh it wouldn't have been created
Well Pak and bangladesh didnt work out because of cultural differences. When in comes to Gaza and the West Bank, they share a common ethnicity, language culture etc
The Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the UK declared in one voice: We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Election Day!
I think you're vastly overstating how important the general election is, I mean it's just an exercise in democracy which happens around every 5 years or so. But yes replacing blue with red.
That's not the actual issue for Israel. They only care that there is something - anything - hinting at validating the existence of Palestinians and Palestine. It is literally the official policy of the ruling coalition in Israel to deny and undermine both a state and the functioning of what passes for a governing structure (for example, they have, yet again, taken and withheld tax revenue in the occupied territories this week, and threatened further punishment for the recognition.... upon the Palestinians). The problem is that Zionism as it is conceived in Israel is incompatible with reality and justice, and the stated political desires of most of the rest of the world and international law. They believe they cannot and will not ever tolerate a state. On the contrary, the ruling coalition - and a large swatch of the Israeli population, though it is nuanced - want to continue seizing and expelling corralling the millions of Palestinians who are left in the region. There is no room for pretending Israel is reasonable here, that the details and "timing" are the problem. They fundamentally do not accept that Palestinians have the right to exist.
@@NCR-National-Reclamation-Gov Yeah but it paid off, support for independence has now declined massively and unionist parties won big at the last election.
Personally I mind the concept of plastinians and Israelis living next to each other in peace however I see no governing body who are willing to live peacefully next to Israel, Hamas's Gaza is a mess with indoctrination against accepting any form of Israel and the PLO in the west bank (aka the plastinians authority) who still rewards acts of terror against civilians and soldiers (pay for slay) so if that's the situation between Israel and the plastinians how can we insure peace in the region? How can we form peace? Israel and the plastinians can't reach peace with the current government on all fronts
What horrible timing for the elections in July when many people will be on vacation. Sunak knows his only shot to have turnout numbers become extremely low when many will be out of town on vacation and not worrying about politics.
The same happened last year in Spain, when Sánchez called for early elections the 23rd of July. The right accused him of wanting a low turn out, so that the abstention rate could favor PSOE, but actually the turn out increased a little bit (66.5%, compared to 65% in 2019).
Naaa. Catalonia's process towards independence is slowly dying, even if the opposition parties in Spain keep arguing otherwise. You only have to see the results on the elections of Catalonia this past weeks. The pro independence parties have died out and for the first time in decades they don't even sum a simple majority in the Congress. Catalan people are moving on
I'm moroccan. Spain can keep Ceuta and melilla. Stop the genocide in gaza. And just for your info, catalans are also in support of recognising palestine.
@@noone2262 if you don't care about Morocco, you are a traitor! And you must support the Republic of Catalonia!! And what about the Curdistan, where Turkish do a genocide? Double standards!
Well... This is a break from previous recognition practice. Norway usually don't recognize countries with unresolved claims over other countries or over disputed land and especially not if it's a country with more than one government. There need to be a solution where a Palestinian state lives in peace and recognition with Israel, but there's a legitimate fear that this will give the signal that antisemitic terror in the name of Islam and anti-zionism are effective. This also comes following the government sending condolences to Iran over the death of president Raisi, a sign of naivety that spits on the victims of Raisi and the Iranian diaspora in Norway. I fear our naivety will make us apathetic towards the axis of evil.
According to Netanyahu, recognizing the state of Palestine would be "a reward for terrorism". Any neutral and clear-thinking human being would rather say that giving the Israeli government what it wants would be "a reward for terrorism".
If a Palestine state were to exist as a state, who governs the state? Who decides the borders? And how can we ensure they don't do another October 7th?(asking out of curiosity, no shitposting pls)
Well the last thing agreed on, and not taken by force, was UN resolution 181... so that sounds like a reasonable point to start. Of cause I can't speak for the people living there.
The Palestinian Authority would govern it. The borders (by international law) would be the 1967 borders of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, but of course changes might occur during negotiations. And of course, the last question is the trickiest one for everybody, and there will have to be an enormous amount of truth and reconciliation to ensure that neither side is taken over by absolutists like Hamas or Netanyahu. It's a long path, but the path of a thousand miles starts with a step. Hopefully this helps
"who governs the state?" PLO "Who decides the borders?" The Oslo accords. "And how can we ensure they don't do another October 7th?" How can you ensure Pakistan won't attack India? there is no 1000% way to do it, that doesn't mean neither Pakistan not India should be treated as any less than as of state. As a matter of fact, Palestine becoming a state would result in it having less reasons to attack Israel. It would make Israel safer.
It is interesting that so many countries are happy to recognize a group of people run by two governments, one having the declared goal of the destruction of Israel, and neither having any plans to change their current autocratic systems, yet groups of people like the Kurds are totally ignored. Why has the UN done nothing about the Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria etc al. Even when the West Bank and Gaza were Arab controlled for nearly 20 years, no effort was really made to rehabilitate them. Going so far in fact that the PLO charter with Egypt and Syria in 1964 guaranteed that they would make no claim on what was then Jordanian territory which is now the West Bank. I have asked many people how you make peace with those who are vehemently committed to your destruction. Never received a constructive reply. Throughout the world many demonstration have taken place, especially in Muslim countries, calling for the destruction of Israel. The UN does nothing as this is considered normal. Whenever anyone visits Israel, there is never a surety, that there will not be a Hamas rocket or terror attack. Such possibilities are a fact of life in Israel. The UN again does nothing.
Because the UN has been compartmentalized and compromised... The UN we know is no more. They even mourned the Iranian Pres. death.... shameless organization Hypocritically taking sides just for "ratings".
They do not usually recognize Hamas as a legitimate authority in palestinian statehood. In their view, Gaza should be controlled by the only recognized government, the PA.
Well said. It’s because the Arab lobby is rich and powerful. That’s why the UN has done almost nothing to stop such hypocrisy. It’s sick how it’s OK to call for the destruction of another country if that intended country is Israel; people say such things to Israel without batting an eye, but do that with Palestine and everybody loses their minds.
I’m curious as to how they coordinated it. Like if Sanchez just thought Harris was already working on it and called him, if their ambassadors planned this, or if it’s a coincidence that turned into coordination. It doesn’t matter, I’m just curious.
I can understand the recognition of statehood as a step on the way to a 2-state solution, but the timing of this from Norway, Ireland and Spain is terrible. The Palestinian cause has been hijacked by Hamas and that has to give us pause until they're out of the picture. We can have a legitimate debate about Palestine/Israel, but only once Hamas are removed from power. I'm trying to think of an analogy, perhaps this: it feels like becoming a vocal fan of R. Kelly's music during his arrest in 2019. Fair enough, it's possible for a person to like the music anytime - but is that an appropriate window in which to be buying albums and very loudly praising his music? It sends the wrong signals.
You have to understand that hamas will always exist if other countries don't support Palestinian statehood. Hamas know that they wouldn't have international support so their own slogan is " look no one is gonna support you except us" but if the western countries support Palestinian state and fatah as their government then hamas will lose support and collapse.
@@ayouberriouch5973 Genuinely interesting point. I can understand that some sort of aggressive party will be present in the absence of statehood, but they need not necessarily be voted into power. There were other parties available in Jan 2006 elections which could have won. I am very sceptical that a group as bad as Hamas would necessarily fill that space. Even in the context of statelessness, Hamas outdoes itself.
@@jamesbruce4927 i understand your point but you forgetting that hamas leaders are all orphans that lost their parents to Israel. They know that peacefully isreal will never give them a state . And When all hope is lost people will choose their only option to fight. If Israel gives Palestinians another option and chooses to give them another option without fighting. Hamas will lose its support and collapse .
Please inform yourself. 143 out of 190 UN nations already recognise Palestine as a state, those who don’t are former British colonies like America, Canada, Israel and Australia guess why, yeah, all European settler and colonies that massacres the local ethnic population.
Cry harder. Catalonians and Basque people have the same rights as the rest of spaniards. In fact, the basque country have plenty autonomy in everything outside military (their taxes are collected by their goverment) Comparing Palestine with Catalonia and the Basque Country is like comparing the moon and the sun.
Norway could give some of its northern territories to palestinians. Surely nobody suggests Israel should cede their sovereign territory to terrorists. Gaza and Judea and Samaria are Israel sovereign territory since 1948
@@preetjitsingh328 is that actually supported by any real actions? Last I checked all of the negotiations about anything of the sort have historically failed and all of the polling also suggests otherwise.
@@Lo6a4evskiy issue is about some caves and one neighbourhood. In fact had Tzipi Livi won; there would have been a Palestinian State. Would it have lasted? God knows. The right wing from both sides might not have allowed it
As always, its complicated. Most of them do dream of that, but most (almost all) believe that it is not practical or reasonable. The people are broadly divided into 2 groups, those that believe that peaceful coexistence with Israel is possible, and those that do not believe that it is possible. Those who believe that peaceful coexistence is not possible will seek for all the territory, even if they believe that it is practically impossible, because anything else is untenable. Those who believe in peaceful coexistence want a fair division of territory, (details can be determined), but are unwilling to just take Israel at their terms, because peaceful coexistence requires a less then fully one-sided relationship.
Nah, that will be counterproductive. If israel recognize those two, it will make it clear that Palestine is fact have same basis to gain independent. Which is not their goal. We all know that Netanyahu and his cabinet goal will always be their so called "Greater Israel". The evidence is clear, they openly saying that over the years.
@@InvictusSolDeus Alliances change. Until the Suez crisis, Israel was supported (and armed) by the Eastern European countries, and the Arabs by the Western ones. Then comes: The enemy of my enemy.....
Spain is not bombing either Euskadi or Catalonia. In fact they are quite privileged regions, which have a great autonomy In addition, most of the population of these regions doesn't want the independence. (In the last elections, the independence parties of Catalonia obtained their worst results since the 80s) On the other hand, both Euskadi and Catalonia also support the Palestinians, so Israel would gain nothing.
fFom the river to the sea was originally in the Likud party charter (From the River to the sea their will only be Israeli soverienty) and taken by Palestians for their own cry of indepence.
Various reasons: Rishi may have been facing a internal vote of no confidence and leadership challenge after his MPs faith in him declined. There was good news with inflation dropping to 2.3%. Forecasting showed that government borrowing in the autumn was going to be higher than expected so he wouldn't be able to justify the tax cuts he would like to do. the General Election campaign to 6 weeks long as a minimum so... The right-wing politics apparatus that we share with the US didn't want to be be working flat out on UK & US elections at the same time over September/October. They didn't want it to clash during the English school holidays (mid July-end of August) when the greatest number of people are on holiday. They didn't want to hold it December/January as it would interrupt peoples Christmas's and older people (who tend to vote Conservative) are less likely to come out and vote in the colder and darker winter months. & The more time passes, the more problems and scandals are piling up for the Conservatives.
@@sidritkercyku6661 i said every country with a separate movement. Not just a random country . And the situation in catalonia isn't the same as Palestine . People in Spain aren't going to Catalonia to kick people out of their home and murder their children
I'm not going to act like I understand how this process works. However, wouldn't making Palestine a nation state immediately throw it on the state sponsor of terrorism list limiting the options of a that you could give it?
Probably, yes What makes it complicated is that the two seperated parts of Palestine are ruled by two different organizations as well. The West-Bank is not under Hamas control. I expect that embassies would be opened there, rather than in Gaza
Anytime Palestinian Statehood is talked about, it is either in reference to the Palestinian Authority led by Fatah (Who don't like Hamas) or a future Palestinian governmental organization, so I doubt it. The Palestinian Authority has no "military" as they officially declared that there would be no more militias in July 2007. The militias who agreed were absorbed into the police force and those who didn't denounced Fatah and continue militia activities in the event of IDF raids in the West Bank. Hamas is in a similar position to Taliban Afghanistan in how no one recognizes them as the official government but works with them as they do govern Gaza.
The bigger immediate issue would be that, by recognizing Palestinian statehood, they are implicitly endorsing Palestinian territorial claims and rewarding terrorism. After all, a state must have defined borders, and "Palestine" claims virtually all Israeli land. Though I suppose Israel could respond by officially recognizing Catalonian statehood in the case of Spain.
@@lookash3048 The current Spanish state is the direct successor of Francoist Spain, who certainly did bomb and suppress any and all independence movements. They have definitely bombed Barcelona before. The suppression of the Catalunyan independence movement and jailing the movement's leaders, while supporting an independence movement of a people on the other side of the Med that do not want to be part of Israel and have their own culture/language/identity, is peak cognitive dissonance and highly hypocritical.
Taiwan's own constitution says it's a part of China but under a different government "Republic of China". Until they change their constitution no one is going to recognize "Republic of Taiwan"
Nation states have internationally recognized borders and a ruling structure that represents the country and all relations between that country and other nation states. Palestine has neither so, what/who is the 'Palestine' that these countries are recognizing?
The borders are the 1967 borders. They are internationally recognised. The Palestinian authority has been recognised as the ruling authority, though they don't control Gaza. The division of the two was a deliberate tactic by Israel so we should not reward Israel by using it as an excuse not to recognise Palestine.
@@nenasiekThat’s not possible as the majority of Palestines people are against a two state solution. If it wasn’t for that fact the current war would never of happened.
@@IcarianX The problem with the Palestinian authority is that they have no authority and they don't "rule" (set and enforce laws) so you can't negotiate a treaty with them that will count for anything. They have a "constitution" that was created by the British 100 years ago but it seems no one follows it. Also, the lack of continuity of their land and that it is mostly wholly within Israel makes things even more complex. This is all stuff that "Palestine" needs to work out and create a cohesive approach. Maybe we need a three state solution. Regarding the borders, the extreme end of both sides consider all of the land is theirs and that the other side are interlopers. Other then the six-day war and the current war, it has been mostly Palestine that has refused to accept those borders. That needs to be resolved before recognition makes sense.
@@nenasiek Yes, and the primary groups refusing to accept and respect the 1967 borders are in Palestine. Maybe the only real solution is to move toward a 3-state solution (Israel, Southern Palestine(Gaza), and Northern Palestine(West Bank)) since there does not seem to be one voice that can speak for bother portions of Palestine.
Pressure from Israel; specifically Israel uses the right to use vast amounts of money to lobby politicians in the democratic system using the free money the American govt provides to influence foreign policy on the Middle East throughout Western countries like the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Germany and high ranking officials in the European Union.
Palestine as a nation of independent and unique mix of people existed for centuries before Britain arrived and invented Israel. Kosovo as a independent state was formed due to paranoia and distrust between ethnicities and the hubris of nationalistic fervor. Catalonia is a richer than average province of Spain. Essentially, Rich snobs not wanting to pay their fair share to the country. Arguing instead a difference in dialect constitutes them as whole different nation.
Ben's pronunciation of Taiwan always sounds weird to my ears. Maybe he is enunciating the "W" a tad too much. The usual way most people pronounce it is tai-1. Yes, 1 as in the number.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 Ideally multinational state with equal power distribution between Muslim and Jewish populations. Though that's not happening anytime soon.
Im spaniard. Do you see the UN saying that Catalonia should be a state? Did catalans have different rights compared to the rest of spaniards? Did they live under the boot of military and separated between walls? Did they are use as a colony where spaniards settlements pop up? Answer that questions and then we can talk.
@@joaquincimas1707 did they declare war on Spain the moment Spain became a country did they say Spain doesn't have the rite to exist did they say all jews should leave or die did they sent suicide bombers and shoot rockets from houses and schools into Spain for the last 100 years did they kill 1200 Spaniards in one day and kidnap 200 others
The EU should recognise Palestine. Everyone keeps saying they support the ‘two state solution’. So recognise Palestine. Obviously Israel wants ethnic cleansing and genocide - and America does what Israel tells it to do.
Okayyyy... Next next week's news: Catalonia and Basque country recognises Palestine (Yeah, that's the sentiment of catalan and basque peoples, inside or outside Spain, the majority are with Palestine)
funny because those 3 countries also tried to be ''neutral'' in wwii.......... just pointing that out........ also, funny, none of those 2 countries strive for 2 state sollution in China/Taiwan. despite the fact that Taiwan has been funtioning democracy for like, what, 50 years now.
And the ww2 part is relevant how? Like what does that have to do with anything. And about china and taiwan.. I'm pretty sure even the us doesn't recognise the roc as china so yh. Taiwan has the guarantees of the us and it isn't like anyone thinks Taiwan might stop existing
Mate Spain wasn’t neutral in WWII Spain came out of a devastating civil war thanks to a fascist dictatorship, and told Hitler I’m not joining… however the fascists allowed the Nazis to try their bombs and weapons on innocent civilians, a clear example is Guernica, even Picasso painting a super famous piece to represent the horrors… neutral my ass inform yourself… besides thanks to the US and U.K. cowards, the marshal plan wasn’t given to Spain, who took a huge time to recover… Even the US recognised Taiwan as part of China in the “one China policy”, the only reason they don’t now is due to hypocrisy and fear to control the chip industry.
wow everyone getting worked up - chill. i just said i find it funny that country that sent the 3rd reich condolances when a.h. killed himself (Ireland) is now - supporting so-called ''palpatin..... i mean ''palestine''. everyone chill.
@@kingofhearts3185 This is true, however to be fair to the Kanaks it’s a bit more complicated. The two first referenda resulted in a no vote, but the second was significantly closer than the first, and the pro-independence movement seemed to have serious momentum and might win the third. Then covid hit, which disproportionately affected Kanak communities. The mourning period is seriously important in Kanak culture, so Kanak leaders asked for the referendum to be postponed until after the pandemic, which France refused, causing the pro-independence side to boycott
@@LordDim1 Boycotting a vote doesn't make it invalid, it surrenders. Not helped by the previous 2 referendums going the same way. Paris agreed to 3 and there were 3.
Israel and USA should recognise Catalunya as a separate nation. Having said that, I never see Thailand, India or even rich South Korea and Taiwan feel they are entitled to an opinion on Spain and Norway. What is it about Western countries, that they just cannot mind their own business?
Catalonia moved on from independence... tldr eu made a video on how PSC (Catalan branch of PSOE, a unionist leftist party) won the election in Catalunya (you can go and see it).... but not only that, the different independentist parties have lost the majority of the parliament for the first time in decades... so, not even Catalans wants independence anymore 🤭🤭🤭
Crazy, not one comment talking about the fact that they are recognizing Palestine after a terrorist attack. Say what you want, but this is rewarding a terrorist group for rape, murder, and some of the cruelest treatment of humans, Jews and Muslims alike. Almost the same as the allies recognizing Nazi Germany taking over Czechoslovakia at the time.
Personally I have no issue with the existence of Palestine as a state/country. Considering the amount of mistakes that have been done since ww1 by so many countries in that region they should either both be recognized as sovereign states Israel/Palestine , or none. But, doing it now for Palestine with Hamas in power is the biggest stupid thing that can be done. Also if Madrid is so keen to have Hamas as the leaders of a new country they should've let the Catalans get their independence, oh wait , it's only about whatever narrative each one wants, not about the reality of the situation. World full of hypocrite leaders.
I think the argument is more of legit rulings, israel came to be (as a modern state) due to the u.k having taking it over from the ottoman empire. However israel have no right to anything outside the green zone. Meaning the borders needs to be negoitiated. As far as I know catalonia is legitimatly part of spain so spain has every right to say no.
@@pmp05 Apologizes, my intention is not to offend. I do have some insight on the Catalan issues, friends , ex gf , all Spanish either from the area or outside plus loads of personal research but it's irrelevant, I'm not a citizen snd ofc it's Spanish internal issues. Also I referred to hypocrites not to the hardworking people of Madrid but the government or the branch of government that came up with the idea of recognizing Palestine as a state in such a time. Think about it logically, why haven't they made a fuss about it before and attempt this recognition in the times that the region was more calm? Because it's a tragedy that everyone is trying to benefit from and take advantage of honest people that do care for the Palestinians, but for their own personal gain. The biggest chess moves are made during tragic periods. Do I want the Palestinian people to have a good life ? Ofc I want , they deserve the same way we do.
@@MandaClaudiuMCM I mean, I knew you only were meaning the government and I agree with that, lemme tell you that most Spanish people is propalestinian and our government did that in order to get both internal and external benefits. Btw i appreciate that you took the time to explain it to any person that has no context hahah
Spain recognises Hamas as a terrorist organisation. It is the Palestinian Authority, the one that has representation in the UN, that will be recognised by Spain, Norway and Ireland. Also, do you really think that Palestine and Catalan situations are comparable, though? [Plus, Catalans don't want independence anymore]
I stand with New Caledonia. Just living somewhere for ten years doesn't make you a native. That goes for all you Californians and New Yorkers colonizing my country, too.
Israel's diplomacy just keeps making more and more enemies for no good reason. Same happened in Poland: we voted for Palestine to be a full member of the UN and Israel's ambassador in Poland threw a fit in response.
How? Hanas decided it wanted to feel the steam roller you expect the sun to blow up in small blasts? its war...
Or 6 months ago when an Israeli politician cried to "send them all(Palestinians) to Ireland"
@@davidboi4025you are sick in the head 🧠 🪱
Poland: look I am on your side and hate Islamic fundamentalist, but we have to admit Palestine statehood.
Irasel: you are a traitor and would let jews to the Nazis!!
@@toyotaprius79as if the Irish wouldn't love it
Im usually of the opinion that announcements like this doesn’t actually change much. But it does signal to other countries shifting perceptions and ways of approaching Palestine within these countries, which is why they are important to notice.
Yeah given the situation, it little late for that declaration. But better late then never I guess
@@starmaker75 Leo Varadkar has Been saying Ireland would recognize but only do as whole of EU rather than one nation but his successor is little more nationalist in his heart and decide go ahead without need EU to do it
Well actually, you can say Palestine is independent.Except for the fact that the Israeli army is keeping the Order for them...And the fact that Israel surpresses most of the extreme Jihadi factions...So yeah...Independence!
@dimaignatiev6370 lol, israel has a history of suppressing secular independance movements in palestine and promoting/supporting jihadist movements. Right-wing Israeli governments need a foil to maintain occupation and expansion of settlements. Lets also not forget the most pro-peace israeli president was assassinated with wide support and edorsment by society and currrent leaders.
To be fair the people that are infront of this movemenr are a bit shady, like Macrom supportinf Ukraine, is just wet paper, but hey more power to You guys.
At this point, I’m convinced that Netanyahu is willing to do anything to stay in power, regardless of how much it damages Israel’s international reputation in the process.
Power is like an addictive drug,once yout taste it its hard to let go.
That’s why the two other members of national unity cabinet have threatened to resign if he doesn’t provide a “day after” plan for Gaza by June 8th.
It's not all on him though, some of Israel's other politicians are just as monstrous and should be held accountable. Israel isn't like Russia where you get defenestrated if you speak up
True, that's a reality that even the isreali admit, that doesn't change that this is a political move tho, nor a humanitarian one.
Bull crap its real easy for you Europeans who are thousands of miles away to tell Israel how it can fight a war when you dont have to deal with hamas @@rene280195
The announcement of Rishi calling for the general election in July was the most memeble thing I've seen in my life. Not only it started raining, but someone blasted out 'Things can only get better' in a speaker nearby. The overall feeling of failure has to be the worst ever beginning of a political campaign in years.
Over 140 countries globally recognise Palestine, why is Netanyahu getting mad as if this is a new thing? 😂
Because the three counties are American allies and, in the case of Ireland, Biden's ancestral home.
@@kevburkegood, and more will follow in the coming months
Too bad Palestine doesn't recognize itself.
because he likes a two-state solution where both states are Israel
Because it’s after they started 5th terrorist war, while most of Palestinians still would vote in radical Islamist that wants violence. Why not recognise ISIS then?
Nailed the pronunciation of Taoíseach. Refreshing to witness from a British based news organization. Props
It's great to see. I shudder everytime British media just plough ahead with "Irish Prime Minister" 🤮
@@fionanosullivan6522 You "shudder"? Have a bit more nuance. It's not an easy word to pronounce, just as I wouldn't expect a Chinese person to pronounce "ostentatious" perfectly on their first try. It's a hard word to pronounce with sounds that aren't native to their language. Don't be so judgemental.
Sorry, most people don't speak faery.
I see the assblasted section of the Brits have arrived lol
@@neondemon5137 Yeah, we know you don't. You speak Pashtun lmao
Most nations officially support a two states solution, so the recognition of Palestine statehood is something that is on the roadmap for these countries. Ireland, Spain & Norway simply chose to act on it now because it's a powerful symbolic gesture at a time when it's very obvious that Israel actions in Gaza are completely disproportionate to its right to self-defense..
Waiting for an abomination’s response against your comment…
Another way to see it is: Hamas has gain the support of Spain president and other Spain mimisters, and said president is trying to make a smoke screen around his wife corription investigation through a diplomatic action, so Israel is mad with this political movemenr because:
1) some of the isreali ministers are monster and asshole
2) is like a treat to Hamas, they started this particular conflict and now they have a political Ally within the EU, Pedro Sánchez.
No they aren't it's just war
@@elvangulley3210
Your lies are dead in the water.
How many international courts do you need chasing after your country before you wake up?
@@RazorMouth the same court that says nothing of what going on in Africa
This is exhausting as an American that is pro Palestine and absolutely despises Netanyahu because I have no good options in the election.
maybe there could be a Muslim willing to be president that you could write-in a vote for? or vote for the Greens if available in your state as they are pro-peace in general? or you could just abstain if you don’t want your voice to be heard
@@GobbiExistsyeah just abstain and let trump win 🤦♂️
Womp womp
Shockingly an electoral system that feasibly only has two parties (that originally were one) isn't democratic at all.
LOL Israel took control over the Philadelphi Corridor today. Now there are even less chances for a Palestinian state to ever be possible. The international community can do as they please, the facts speak louder than their tantrums. Palestine is not independent.
Getting more than a little tired of the media over emphasising the vote winning capability of Nigel Farage. Remember that he has stood for election to the UK parliament 7 times and failed every time. Maybe he will help Trump to similar success.
He's seen as the lead voice of people to the right of the Conservatives and gets given air time in the media by people who want to shift UK political discourse rightwards.
Remember that a lot of the UK medias journalists/reporters see the Conservatives as the default middle ground as they are in the same political bubble, are friends with and went to the same schools/universities as them.
I think it's less about 'ability to win' and more about 'ability to take votes away from people on the same end of the political spectrum'. Nobody is really expecting him to 'win', but the Tories are likely very glad that he isn't running for that reason alone - the UK has a very different culture around voting for non-primary parties even in elections where it is strategically disadvantageous, compared to, say, the US.
@@HeavyMetalMouse both countries use shitty FPTP if u didnt know y
Canada has the far right, xenophobic, somewhat Trumpian "People's Party of Canada"
led by a disgruntled politician who didn't think that the Conservatives' shift to the right was far right enough.
Although it got more votes in 2021 hitting about 6% of voters by getting almost all the votes of Canadians who are full bore anti-vaxers the People's Party didn't win a single seat in the country for the second election in a row.
I'm not sure if it cost Conservatives any seats in either 2019 or 2021.
Now that vaccine mandates are long gone I suspect that the People's Party will in the next election fall back to 2% of voters where it was in 2019 and likely will fall into complete irrelevance after that, especially as the Conservatives have moved even further right.
oh no, israel is diplomatically isolating itself in response, what are we going to do
There is a big discussion in Czechia, if we recognise Palestine, current government says no, but other people say yes. Complicated thing after the split of Czechoslovakia
No we dont
Yeah, here in Czechia we overwhelmingly support Israel with extremely small portion of population expressing sympathy with Palestine. Calling it Big, is disingenuous.
Genuine question with no political agenda. If, say, Ireland, Norway or Spain “recognises” Palestine:
1) What territory does it recognise as constituting the boundaries of that state?
2) Who does it recognise as the de jure (or even de facto) government of that state? Given that the West Bank and Gaza are not physically connected, and have different governments (one of which is arguably not currently in control of its territory), which one does it choose, and why?
I think you're reading too deep into what's in essence political posturing.
This is just woke posturing.
But de facto they are recognizing Hamas as legitimate.
So they are sponsoring terrorism.
@@Lo6a4evskiy no, he has a point
My country recognised Palestine years ago and we simply say that the border havent been decided yet.
Its done so the 2 state solution will be more likely.
Btw this does not mean that we support hamas or any other terrorist group.
It doesn't mean anything. No country recognizes Palestinian borders or government. Practically, Israel controls everything but Gaza (although they have now set foothold in the territory). The West Bank and Gaza are ruled by different bodies, but the West Bank is overseen by Israel.
Contrast that with Taiwan, which is de facto an independent country but not recognized as such. In the current global order, being recognized as an independent state comes with certain benefits. Palestine cannot take advantage of most of them however, because it's just not independent. Having other countries recognize Palestine is a way for them to show disapproval of Israel. Nothing more, nothing less.
The license plates in Manitoba read “Friendly Manitoba” for a reason.
Just a casual 4.5 million kg extra taters
What is a "license plate"? Do you mean a number plate?
@@slopernafti902 in Canada we call them license plates ya dig?
@@BeenchHoopla Imagine living in Canada lol. Horrible place.
@slopernafti902 in Canada our plates aren't just a number, they have the province name, a slogan, some provincial imagery, etc. Same thing in the US.
why they dont recognize ISIS? both are terrorist state .
Add Belgium and Slovenia too
It’s interesting that Eastern European states mostly recognize Palestine whereas Western European states mostly don’t, while the public opinion tends to be the opposite, as I see a lot of Western Europeans calling out Israel recently and protesting, whereas Eastern Europeans either don’t seem to care that much, or tend to be more in favour of Israel (I’m not taking any sides here, but the latter is a bit unfortunate, because those who seem to support Israel often do so not because they are informed in the conflict, but due to prejudices against Arabs).
Obviously, I know that public opinion can differ a lot, and is probably different in places like Bosnia and Serbia than Hungary and Czechia, and I also know that Eastern European recognition of Palestine often happened thanks to the USSR. But it’s still an interesting development.
The US and UK should do the same, if they want the world to take their mediation seriously.
Who would think that a two-state solution requires there to be 2 recognised states. Mind blowing...
The Palestinians probably find it hilarious as they have been offered that 5 times since 1948 and rejected it because they only believe in a one state solution.
I wish Palestine would just accept full statehood with the 2 state solution
@@frankyyaggabot6222 The main problem with that was sovereignty, Israel wanted Palestine to have no army, Israel would control the Jordan river border, and would be able to invade or in their words "can freely operate within Palestinian state to rid terrorists", and wanted settlers to stay where they were. And Palestine didn't reject it, but wanted clarifications. Palestine wanted full control of its resources and the ability to have a military, however Yasser Arafat (who had mandate from all Palestinian groups to negotiate) did accept. The "Palestine didn't accept peace" is a lie that Israelis spread.
@@frankyyaggabot6222 according to u that is.
Those offers are highly biased and one-sided in favor of iz ra tel.
That's why some of them were rejected. (Code word "SOME"not all)
@@frankyyaggabot6222 absolutely false and misleading. Those "deals" included things like a palestinian state heavily subservient to the Israelis.
Israel you had it coming
We dont care. You can say what you want, terror stat of palestain will never be
The right to self-determination is in the human rights
I think they skipped that part
Sending soldiers is not a difusion of tensions it's an escalation of it
It is "some kind of political solution tho"
As opposed to letting them riot forever?
@@svenrio8521 I find it extremely unimaginative of you that you can't think of any other solution to get angry people to stop rioting other than force. You could pause the reform to appease them and then meet with them address their concerns and compromise
@@sizanogreen9900 "solution" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there
@@calvinware7957unrealistic expectations
I don't know about Norway and Spain, but for Ireland it's about centuries of having been the testing ground for the worst parts of British colonialism combined with a "famine" where the Irish people starved while Ireland was exporting food to Britian because the Irish had been forced onto a diet of pretty much only potatoes.
Norway has always historically been pro Palestine, at least since after 1980s.
Basing middle-east policy on something totally unrelated that happened in the 1840s - is simply childish.
Sadly, the history is still deliberately mistaught in Ireland, which is why their Taoiseach has taken the side of Hamas which will embolden other terrorists across the world.
I hope the following helps and starts a course of checking what readers were taught in school:
1) The Palestine Mandate was not British colonialism. The League of Nations asked Britain to arrange a homeland for the Jews, as Britain was one of the few nations with even a vague possibility of doing so. Two states were created with Arab Muslims given Jordan and Israel to the Jews.
2) There were far more famines in Ireland before 1801, but these could not be blamed on the British as there was still an Irish Government. British brought new technology and industry, which reduced these famines, but did not eradicate them.
3) The independence movement started the disingenuous view that all the landlords were British. They were almostly entirely Irish and the same families as before 1801, but they practised the "British religion" of Protestantism or lived in London, which is common around the world for the wealthy to live near the capital. Even the Scots that were moved there centuries earlier were termed British, as they were not Catholic and represented the ruling class. This was designed to create a common enemy for the working Catholic peasants, albeit the leaders were mostly middle class. Paradoxically, American families who left 300 years ago and have never visited Ireland are considered Irish.
4) Britain was made up of MPs from all 4 nations, but, since 1801, it was not de rigueur to mess with domestic affairs. The British government, Crown and people sent the equivalent of billions of pounds in aid and, eventually, it was Britain that resolved the problem.
5) And what the Irish education system especially ignores is that Britain and Europe were all suffering famines following poor harvests across the Continent.
6) Following independence, there was a significant risk the Irish people would want to rejoin Britain, so the teaching of history was amended with many facts now almost impossible to research online under the tide of falsehoods. It is time to return to the truth and I hope readers will undertake some research, so Britain and Ireland can bury the past.
7) There were definitely heinous acts carried out by the British government or its agents, but these occurred across all 4 nations and undertaken by people from all 4 nations.
Did you ask the Bengali people of India?
Ireland I understand because of history, but Spain that pretty rich given spain is have separatism problems.
Funny, Catalonia and Basque also support Palestine as well so they on term with Spain
Spain doesn't support kosovo
they should receive all refugee
That has little to do with separatism. Or are you implying Palestine was never meant to be a country like the UN said, and that instead is a separatist region of Israel?
@@maxman4948They already do, one of the EU countries who takes more migrants. Anyway if you love Israel so much why don’t you go there to live?
What a lame comment:
Israel is all like "yea we support 2 state solution, see we even retreated from Gaza a few decades ago", and is triggered after someone recognizes Palestine.
They support the two state solution, no one said the second state has to be Palestine (Polish Gaza incoming).
You kow there are different sides in israel, left wing and right wing like everywhere else, the current goverment is an extremist right wing who dont want 2 states, its not speical to have that sincw its like that everyone yet you need to make one side the entire population of israel
@@erellevi4400I mean, stats and polls show most Israelis don’t support a two state solution. So if Bibi’s an extremist, most Israelis aren’t that far off
they agreed many many years ago and declare State of Israel but the islamo-terrorist star war, and until this day they don't want two states solution, the only thing they want is to erase Israel. but every time they are starting the war, loosing and crying!
and for NO reason I have to pay as an eu cityzen millions euros for "help" and the terrorist use those money to make fkg rockets!
@@Catmint309 the right wing does not want two states, i was saying that other then that the current goverment is extremist anyway, yes the majority is right wing yet there are left wings who support 2 states and those are the people he talks about
Not usually happy about what my country does. Glad this is not one of those times!
What country are you from?
@@gusgrow9768 Spain
Feliz por reconocer terroristas?
@@nom33345Llora
The recongitions arent really a way of showing who supports Palestine. Czechia supports Israel (over 90%) but they recongize Palestine.
Good to hear that Czechia loves Israel but can you tell me why?
@@ofer3000 Both were oppressed for a long time, and both had similar situations. As google puts it, Lubomír Zaorálek said that Czech media and society viewed Israel as a trusted friend, a vibrant democracy, and an economic and technological powerhouse, adding that the Czech Republic had one of the lowest levels of anti-Semitism in Europe.
@@randomperson-uj4bp ❤️
meanwhile the US also throw a fit, despite its alleged support for the 2 states solution..
2:05 "Was a reward for terrorism"
Bold talk coming from a dude who the International Criminal Court has labeled as a war criminal.
Where was this criminal court when there was genocide in Syria, they are a joke.
The same criminal court that's done nothing against Kim jong un?
Yeah, reliable source
@@nom33345 He's already sanctioned to hell plus he isn't committing a genocide.
@@GatisLandis What genocide? The one ISIS did against the Yazidi?
@@spacemarine3482 not committing genocide? Are you stupid?
So Palestine gets recognized but Somaliland is still waiting for anyone to recognize it?
not comparable. Palestine is under an occupation while Somaliland is a breakaway region of Somalia.
Somaliland isn't currently facing genocide and a whole host of other severe issues related to a occupation by Israel...
Most countries respect that Somaliland should earn its independence through an agreement with Somalia.
Especially with Ethiopian support for Somaliland they have some leverage over Somalia.
it did face a genocide between 1988 till 1991. that is why somaliland should take over the world@@Luredreier
@@iihamed711UN should just impose the first Mandate and get all palestinian arabs to Jordan. Enough of emoty space there
@@Luredreier genocide lmao? Don't be insane. The only thing even remotely related to genocide in this situation was by Hamas on Jews on 7th October 2023. Unlike Hamas, Israel don't target civilians...
They should recognize taiwan too
Sadly won’t happen
Taiwan is a complicated case. Why you may ask? Because, it's officially the Republic of China. It includes not only the biggest Island (Taiwan) but other smaller islands. Also, it claims the whole territory under the People's Republic of China. So, you see, it's not Taiwan and China but the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China. You can recognize either one, not both. Both have claims on the same territory. This issue is a little different than the Israel-Palestine issue. This is why most countries recognize PRC because they can recognize only ONE and PRC is more beneficial one to recognize.
Only if Taiwan recognizes Palestinians
@@NoEndForUs Just like in the Palestine case...So they claim...I didn't see any Kuomintang there lately...
@@NoEndForUs the Reichkommasarit of Palestine I mean PA don't claim entire historical palastine as thier own country. Plus settler states are bad and guess who is a settler state in Taiwan (ROC)
Thank you for using the word 'Taoiseach' and not 'Prime Minster' when referring to Simon Harris. A lot of news outlets (including TLDR in the past) use the term Prime Minster when referring to our Taoiseach.
The last bit of news is actually encouraging. It's good to know that there are some who still give generously and selflessly without seeking reward, recompense, or recognition.
I'd actually say, that two states is nonsense. I keep thinking about split of British Raj into India and Pakistan, where both eastern and western halves of Pakistan were administered from the West, but were fairly different, to the point that East declared independence on West, had a war with the West and now is a separate country. I wonder, given how long has this mess had been left to persist, just how much have the populations changed? Whether we'd not get a repeat of what happened around India, if we went with the two state solution, given it's decades old concept. So maybe, it would be more prudent to split theoretical Palestinian state into two territorially homogeneous states.
Thats a interesting view, but its important to know that Pakistan and Bangladesh were vastly different countries, especially in terms of culture and beliefs so it would be applicable if the two theoretical states were that different (Which idk much about Palestiniani culture), its also important to know that if it were not for India's massive support for rebels in Bangladesh it wouldn't have been created
It's not 1:1, but you make a reasonable case. That's basically how things have operated for years too.
@@kingofhearts3185 As an Indian or Bangladeshi, I'd say the split worked out well, as a Pakistani, maybe not so much.
@@memeconsumer773 pakistan also did atrocities to bangladesh
Well Pak and bangladesh didnt work out because of cultural differences. When in comes to Gaza and the West Bank, they share a common ethnicity, language culture etc
The Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the UK declared in one voice: We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Election Day!
I think you're vastly overstating how important the general election is, I mean it's just an exercise in democracy which happens around every 5 years or so. But yes replacing blue with red.
Starmer is going to be exactly the same as the tories don't get your hopes up
The issue is not the recognizion itself, but the timing and what State of Palestine are they recognizing, which borders and which leaders?
1967 borders and the Palestinian Authority
@@nopasaran7534 And Jerusalem as the capital, with the squatters out.
@@glitch9065 the "squatters" are the Jews?
The people, so that they can’t be wiped off the map?
That's not the actual issue for Israel. They only care that there is something - anything - hinting at validating the existence of Palestinians and Palestine. It is literally the official policy of the ruling coalition in Israel to deny and undermine both a state and the functioning of what passes for a governing structure (for example, they have, yet again, taken and withheld tax revenue in the occupied territories this week, and threatened further punishment for the recognition.... upon the Palestinians).
The problem is that Zionism as it is conceived in Israel is incompatible with reality and justice, and the stated political desires of most of the rest of the world and international law. They believe they cannot and will not ever tolerate a state. On the contrary, the ruling coalition - and a large swatch of the Israeli population, though it is nuanced - want to continue seizing and expelling corralling the millions of Palestinians who are left in the region. There is no room for pretending Israel is reasonable here, that the details and "timing" are the problem. They fundamentally do not accept that Palestinians have the right to exist.
Spain! Spain! Spain! 🇪🇸
Portugal, Portugal, Portugal 🇵🇹!
Didn't the PM sell spain to Catalonia Separatists to keep his job?
Viva España! 🇪🇸
@@NCR-National-Reclamation-Gov Yeah but it paid off, support for independence has now declined massively and unionist parties won big at the last election.
@@alexisdasiukevich5417"Support for independence has now declined massively"...😂😂😂😂 In your dreams...
Personally I mind the concept of plastinians and Israelis living next to each other in peace however I see no governing body who are willing to live peacefully next to Israel, Hamas's Gaza is a mess with indoctrination against accepting any form of Israel and the PLO in the west bank (aka the plastinians authority) who still rewards acts of terror against civilians and soldiers (pay for slay) so if that's the situation between Israel and the plastinians how can we insure peace in the region? How can we form peace? Israel and the plastinians can't reach peace with the current government on all fronts
What horrible timing for the elections in July when many people will be on vacation. Sunak knows his only shot to have turnout numbers become extremely low when many will be out of town on vacation and not worrying about politics.
The same happened last year in Spain, when Sánchez called for early elections the 23rd of July. The right accused him of wanting a low turn out, so that the abstention rate could favor PSOE, but actually the turn out increased a little bit (66.5%, compared to 65% in 2019).
Catalonia stares aggressively
Naaa. Catalonia's process towards independence is slowly dying, even if the opposition parties in Spain keep arguing otherwise. You only have to see the results on the elections of Catalonia this past weeks. The pro independence parties have died out and for the first time in decades they don't even sum a simple majority in the Congress.
Catalan people are moving on
Dream on! Don't get any funny ideas. This is just an exception, 'cause they're Jews. You know how it is. Spain is not Jewish so not the same.
Catalonia just voted overwhelmingly for unionism in the last election.
And now recognize, Catalonia! Basque Country, Galiza! Curdistan! Canary Guanche Islands! EtcAnd Morocco cities of Ceuta & Mellla!
I'm moroccan. Spain can keep Ceuta and melilla.
Stop the genocide in gaza. And just for your info, catalans are also in support of recognising palestine.
@@noone2262 if you don't care about Morocco, you are a traitor! And you must support the Republic of Catalonia!! And what about the Curdistan, where Turkish do a genocide? Double standards!
Two state is to fragil concept... learn from history... if Czechoslovakia could not make it work how can they? There is no way...
Well... This is a break from previous recognition practice. Norway usually don't recognize countries with unresolved claims over other countries or over disputed land and especially not if it's a country with more than one government. There need to be a solution where a Palestinian state lives in peace and recognition with Israel, but there's a legitimate fear that this will give the signal that antisemitic terror in the name of Islam and anti-zionism are effective. This also comes following the government sending condolences to Iran over the death of president Raisi, a sign of naivety that spits on the victims of Raisi and the Iranian diaspora in Norway. I fear our naivety will make us apathetic towards the axis of evil.
According to Netanyahu, recognizing the state of Palestine would be "a reward for terrorism".
Any neutral and clear-thinking human being would rather say that giving the Israeli government what it wants would be "a reward for terrorism".
Palestine - Hamas. Ofc they are terrorists,all people know it
Well done, Norway, Spain and Ireland. Countries for HUMANS.
If a Palestine state were to exist as a state, who governs the state? Who decides the borders? And how can we ensure they don't do another October 7th?(asking out of curiosity, no shitposting pls)
Well the last thing agreed on, and not taken by force, was UN resolution 181... so that sounds like a reasonable point to start. Of cause I can't speak for the people living there.
If a Palestinian state existed years ago the 7 October won't happen because Hamas won't be able to take controlle over Gaza strip
1967 borders
The Palestinian Authority would govern it. The borders (by international law) would be the 1967 borders of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, but of course changes might occur during negotiations. And of course, the last question is the trickiest one for everybody, and there will have to be an enormous amount of truth and reconciliation to ensure that neither side is taken over by absolutists like Hamas or Netanyahu. It's a long path, but the path of a thousand miles starts with a step.
Hopefully this helps
"who governs the state?" PLO
"Who decides the borders?" The Oslo accords.
"And how can we ensure they don't do another October 7th?" How can you ensure Pakistan won't attack India? there is no 1000% way to do it, that doesn't mean neither Pakistan not India should be treated as any less than as of state. As a matter of fact, Palestine becoming a state would result in it having less reasons to attack Israel. It would make Israel safer.
It is interesting that so many countries are happy to recognize a group of people run by two governments, one having the declared goal of the destruction of Israel, and neither having any plans to change their current autocratic systems, yet groups of people like the Kurds are totally ignored.
Why has the UN done nothing about the Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria etc al. Even when the West Bank and Gaza were Arab controlled for nearly 20 years, no effort was really made to rehabilitate them. Going so far in fact that the PLO charter with Egypt and Syria in 1964 guaranteed that they would make no claim on what was then Jordanian territory which is now the West Bank.
I have asked many people how you make peace with those who are vehemently committed to your destruction. Never received a constructive reply. Throughout the world many demonstration have taken place, especially in Muslim countries, calling for the destruction of Israel. The UN does nothing as this is considered normal.
Whenever anyone visits Israel, there is never a surety, that there will not be a Hamas rocket or terror attack. Such possibilities are a fact of life in Israel. The UN again does nothing.
Because the UN has been compartmentalized and compromised...
The UN we know is no more. They even mourned the Iranian Pres. death.... shameless organization Hypocritically taking sides just for "ratings".
They do not usually recognize Hamas as a legitimate authority in palestinian statehood. In their view, Gaza should be controlled by the only recognized government, the PA.
Well said. It’s because the Arab lobby is rich and powerful. That’s why the UN has done almost nothing to stop such hypocrisy. It’s sick how it’s OK to call for the destruction of another country if that intended country is Israel; people say such things to Israel without batting an eye, but do that with Palestine and everybody loses their minds.
I’m curious as to how they coordinated it. Like if Sanchez just thought Harris was already working on it and called him, if their ambassadors planned this, or if it’s a coincidence that turned into coordination. It doesn’t matter, I’m just curious.
They've been in talks for a while. This was not a surprise or anything, it's a coordinated effort
I can understand the recognition of statehood as a step on the way to a 2-state solution, but the timing of this from Norway, Ireland and Spain is terrible. The Palestinian cause has been hijacked by Hamas and that has to give us pause until they're out of the picture. We can have a legitimate debate about Palestine/Israel, but only once Hamas are removed from power.
I'm trying to think of an analogy, perhaps this: it feels like becoming a vocal fan of R. Kelly's music during his arrest in 2019. Fair enough, it's possible for a person to like the music anytime - but is that an appropriate window in which to be buying albums and very loudly praising his music? It sends the wrong signals.
You have to understand that hamas will always exist if other countries don't support Palestinian statehood. Hamas know that they wouldn't have international support so their own slogan is " look no one is gonna support you except us" but if the western countries support Palestinian state and fatah as their government then hamas will lose support and collapse.
@@ayouberriouch5973 Genuinely interesting point. I can understand that some sort of aggressive party will be present in the absence of statehood, but they need not necessarily be voted into power. There were other parties available in Jan 2006 elections which could have won. I am very sceptical that a group as bad as Hamas would necessarily fill that space. Even in the context of statelessness, Hamas outdoes itself.
@@jamesbruce4927 i understand your point but you forgetting that hamas leaders are all orphans that lost their parents to Israel. They know that peacefully isreal will never give them a state . And When all hope is lost people will choose their only option to fight. If Israel gives Palestinians another option and chooses to give them another option without fighting. Hamas will lose its support and collapse .
Not sure about ireland...they really don't get along with them now.
How funny would it be if the US, UK and Israel recognise Catalonia and the Basque Country
Please inform yourself. 143 out of 190 UN nations already recognise Palestine as a state, those who don’t are former British colonies like America, Canada, Israel and Australia guess why, yeah, all European settler and colonies that massacres the local ethnic population.
I don't think it would be possible ngl
spain will recognize hawai, scotland, and north ireland.
I like how you see an attack on Israel as an attack on the US and UK . AIPAC is incredible.
Cry harder.
Catalonians and Basque people have the same rights as the rest of spaniards.
In fact, the basque country have plenty autonomy in everything outside military (their taxes are collected by their goverment)
Comparing Palestine with Catalonia and the Basque Country is like comparing the moon and the sun.
Norway could give some of its northern territories to palestinians. Surely nobody suggests Israel should cede their sovereign territory to terrorists. Gaza and Judea and Samaria are Israel sovereign territory since 1948
Israel doesn't have sovereign territory, just land stolen from others.
Doesn't palestine want the entirety of the current israel, gaza and west bank ?
No
@@metamorphis7Hamas yes. PA : No. They want something along the lines of 1967 borders.
@@preetjitsingh328 is that actually supported by any real actions? Last I checked all of the negotiations about anything of the sort have historically failed and all of the polling also suggests otherwise.
@@Lo6a4evskiy issue is about some caves and one neighbourhood. In fact had Tzipi Livi won; there would have been a Palestinian State.
Would it have lasted? God knows. The right wing from both sides might not have allowed it
As always, its complicated.
Most of them do dream of that, but most (almost all) believe that it is not practical or reasonable.
The people are broadly divided into 2 groups, those that believe that peaceful coexistence with Israel is possible, and those that do not believe that it is possible.
Those who believe that peaceful coexistence is not possible will seek for all the territory, even if they believe that it is practically impossible, because anything else is untenable.
Those who believe in peaceful coexistence want a fair division of territory, (details can be determined), but are unwilling to just take Israel at their terms, because peaceful coexistence requires a less then fully one-sided relationship.
i recognize the independent states of catalunya and euskara ❤💛💚
Israel in retaliation should recognize Catalonia and Basque country as indepenent states
That would effectively sever relations with Spain. But why not do it for the meme?
Nah, that will be counterproductive. If israel recognize those two, it will make it clear that Palestine is fact have same basis to gain independent. Which is not their goal. We all know that Netanyahu and his cabinet goal will always be their so called "Greater Israel". The evidence is clear, they openly saying that over the years.
Both Euskadi and Catalonia support the Palestinians
Israel has no right to retaliate against anyone.
@@InvictusSolDeus Alliances change. Until the Suez crisis, Israel was supported (and armed) by the Eastern European countries, and the Arabs by the Western ones. Then comes: The enemy of my enemy.....
Literally almost all countries recognize palestine. Israel can keep crying about 3 more countries, but it doesnt matter.
most of europe doesnt. and thats what the west cares about.
It does matter in the long term
And when is Spain going to recognize the independence of Catalonia and the Basque country?
Catalonia and the Basque country are by far the most pro-palestine regions of Spain
Spain is not bombing either Euskadi or Catalonia. In fact they are quite privileged regions, which have a great autonomy In addition, most of the population of these regions doesn't want the independence. (In the last elections, the independence parties of Catalonia obtained their worst results since the 80s)
On the other hand, both Euskadi and Catalonia also support the Palestinians, so Israel would gain nothing.
@@InvictusSolDeus I think you should join a Spanish brigade to help Palestinians fight for their independence. Maybe peace keeping troops?
@@richdobbs6595 Go join the IDF
Then Israel stands alone , so what?
You can’t do that step when one side screams “from the river to the sea “ if you’ll give them the river they will push to the sea
fFom the river to the sea was originally in the Likud party charter (From the River to the sea their will only be Israeli soverienty) and taken by Palestians for their own cry of indepence.
Nice video, but write the date correctly...DD/MM
Me, an American: why July 4th?
Because the world doesn't revolve around American holidays.
They're trying to do something while the Yanks are distracted.
Various reasons:
Rishi may have been facing a internal vote of no confidence and leadership challenge after his MPs faith in him declined.
There was good news with inflation dropping to 2.3%.
Forecasting showed that government borrowing in the autumn was going to be higher than expected so he wouldn't be able to justify the tax cuts he would like to do.
the General Election campaign to 6 weeks long as a minimum so...
The right-wing politics apparatus that we share with the US didn't want to be be working flat out on UK & US elections at the same time over September/October.
They didn't want it to clash during the English school holidays (mid July-end of August) when the greatest number of people are on holiday.
They didn't want to hold it December/January as it would interrupt peoples Christmas's and older people (who tend to vote Conservative) are less likely to come out and vote in the colder and darker winter months.
& The more time passes, the more problems and scandals are piling up for the Conservatives.
Spain forgot about Catalonia and Kosovo. This is pure action against Israel and not some sort of good hearted spanish decision
literally noone cares about catalonia lol. even other EU country doesnt support the separation.
You know that you can use that logic with every country with separate movements.
seethe.
@@ayouberriouch5973 yeah? When did poland crush an independence referendum in recent history?
@@sidritkercyku6661 i said every country with a separate movement. Not just a random country . And the situation in catalonia isn't the same as Palestine . People in Spain aren't going to Catalonia to kick people out of their home and murder their children
Taiwan "I will not provoke China..."
China "Them's fighting words"
Stop shaking your legs 😂
Excellent news. Proud day to be Irish! Kudos for pronouncing "Taoiseach" correctly.
Israel really lashed out at Ireland by using the terrorism card, talk about tone deaf
@@mayoite160they are right this just rewarded hamas and Ireland has a long history of supporting terrorism
Take all the Palestinians then.
Not surprising coming from the same country who sent condolences to Nazi Germany after Hitler died.
I'm not going to act like I understand how this process works. However, wouldn't making Palestine a nation state immediately throw it on the state sponsor of terrorism list limiting the options of a that you could give it?
Probably, yes
What makes it complicated is that the two seperated parts of Palestine are ruled by two different organizations as well. The West-Bank is not under Hamas control. I expect that embassies would be opened there, rather than in Gaza
What?
Anytime Palestinian Statehood is talked about, it is either in reference to the Palestinian Authority led by Fatah (Who don't like Hamas) or a future Palestinian governmental organization, so I doubt it. The Palestinian Authority has no "military" as they officially declared that there would be no more militias in July 2007. The militias who agreed were absorbed into the police force and those who didn't denounced Fatah and continue militia activities in the event of IDF raids in the West Bank. Hamas is in a similar position to Taliban Afghanistan in how no one recognizes them as the official government but works with them as they do govern Gaza.
The bigger immediate issue would be that, by recognizing Palestinian statehood, they are implicitly endorsing Palestinian territorial claims and rewarding terrorism. After all, a state must have defined borders, and "Palestine" claims virtually all Israeli land. Though I suppose Israel could respond by officially recognizing Catalonian statehood in the case of Spain.
Jenin, Nablus, and Tulkarm have been under Hamas military control since about a year. @@Ramschat
Spain recognises Palestine but calls Catalunyan secession/independence 'illegal'. Peak irony.
Spanish government doesn't bomb Barcelona. Moreover Barcelona in Spain is the second most important city in the country.
That's gigantic difference.
@@lookash3048 The current Spanish state is the direct successor of Francoist Spain, who certainly did bomb and suppress any and all independence movements. They have definitely bombed Barcelona before. The suppression of the Catalunyan independence movement and jailing the movement's leaders, while supporting an independence movement of a people on the other side of the Med that do not want to be part of Israel and have their own culture/language/identity, is peak cognitive dissonance and highly hypocritical.
@@michaelk4896 The Catalan indepndece parties are litteral are minority in Catalonia know
@@michaelk4896 false equivalence
@@michaelk4896Palestinians don't want independence from Israel, they are -in fact- independent, they want to stop colonisation and genocide.
As long as they recognise Taiwan...
They won’t.
Taiwan's own constitution says it's a part of China but under a different government "Republic of China". Until they change their constitution no one is going to recognize "Republic of Taiwan"
It is a meaningless gesture.
Nation states have internationally recognized borders and a ruling structure that represents the country and all relations between that country and other nation states.
Palestine has neither so, what/who is the 'Palestine' that these countries are recognizing?
Its to say that the 2 state solution needs to happen, theres no agreement on where the border is.
The borders are the 1967 borders. They are internationally recognised. The Palestinian authority has been recognised as the ruling authority, though they don't control Gaza. The division of the two was a deliberate tactic by Israel so we should not reward Israel by using it as an excuse not to recognise Palestine.
@@nenasiekThat’s not possible as the majority of Palestines people are against a two state solution.
If it wasn’t for that fact the current war would never of happened.
@@IcarianX The problem with the Palestinian authority is that they have no authority and they don't "rule" (set and enforce laws) so you can't negotiate a treaty with them that will count for anything. They have a "constitution" that was created by the British 100 years ago but it seems no one follows it. Also, the lack of continuity of their land and that it is mostly wholly within Israel makes things even more complex. This is all stuff that "Palestine" needs to work out and create a cohesive approach. Maybe we need a three state solution. Regarding the borders, the extreme end of both sides consider all of the land is theirs and that the other side are interlopers. Other then the six-day war and the current war, it has been mostly Palestine that has refused to accept those borders. That needs to be resolved before recognition makes sense.
@@nenasiek Yes, and the primary groups refusing to accept and respect the 1967 borders are in Palestine. Maybe the only real solution is to move toward a 3-state solution (Israel, Southern Palestine(Gaza), and Northern Palestine(West Bank)) since there does not seem to be one voice that can speak for bother portions of Palestine.
Why do they only recognize Palestine NOW and not years ago?
Pressure from Israel; specifically Israel uses the right to use vast amounts of money to lobby politicians in the democratic system using the free money the American govt provides to influence foreign policy on the Middle East throughout Western countries like the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Germany and high ranking officials in the European Union.
Something happened on 7th October that won them over.
Because they had common sense then. Not anymore
Because they fell to the woke mob
@@bennygoodmanisgodnah common sence returned to them
This is a good example of termism winning. Kinda crazy
Otherwise it will be an example of a state getting away from murdering thoudsand of innocent civilians?
Just using the same arguments your using.
If only eu wasnt so terrified of being 'antisemetic' 🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀
spain we dont recognize kosovo but we do palestina
Weird how they don’t recognize both since they have shown that they like to support terrorists
Palestine as a nation of independent and unique mix of people existed for centuries before Britain arrived and invented Israel.
Kosovo as a independent state was formed due to paranoia and distrust between ethnicities and the hubris of nationalistic fervor.
Catalonia is a richer than average province of Spain. Essentially, Rich snobs not wanting to pay their fair share to the country. Arguing instead a difference in dialect constitutes them as whole different nation.
@@ivannaharmoni Please don't reinvent history.
@@ivannaharmoni I'm almost impressed how much you twisted all 3 of those to be so divorced from the truth. You have a future in politics.
@@ivannaharmoni Israel has historically existed for far longer than this idea of fake nation "palestine".
So Palestine gets spanish recognition but Kosovo doesn’t because they dont wanna encourage separatism?
so is this time to recognize separatist movements in Spain as well?
Most sane people want a two state solution but recognising Palestine now, with Hamas as leaders, right after the attack, is completely irresponsible.
Hamas doesn’t control and represent all of Palestine. Also it is by-product, not a cause.
Hamas doesn't represent nor govern Palestine, what are you on?
@@ricaard6959not officially but in reality it does 100%
@@ricaard6959 then why it control gaza? why didn't the PA asked help internationally to remove hamas?
The decision to reward Hamas' kidnapping and murder spree with state recognition is certainly bad optics, but I doubt they've thought it through.
Ben's pronunciation of Taiwan always sounds weird to my ears. Maybe he is enunciating the "W" a tad too much. The usual way most people pronounce it is tai-1. Yes, 1 as in the number.
Will Israel recognize Catalonia now is the question?
They should! Add in Basque.
Catalonia is pro-Palestine lmao
Well the Catalonian regional government has been supportive of Palestinians in recent years.
Israel in retaliation should recognize Svalbard as it's independent country........
Ireland should become the new Palestine.
It's a win win win move!
Recognition of Palestine, without committing troops to a peace keeping force is pointless posturing.
Quite. These countries all love to condemn Israel - but none of them are going to do the wet work and take the losses of dealing with ham as.
Two sate salutation never worked and never will
what does?
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 Ideally multinational state with equal power distribution between Muslim and Jewish populations. Though that's not happening anytime soon.
Never worked because it’s never actually been attempted.
@@sunjarty8521 Ya, that the last thing Israel wants, considering it wouldn't be a fascist ethnostate anymore
"...dum, da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum."
Spain recognizes Palestine but not Catalonia? Why?
Very, very different situations.
@@hellomycatingEuropean hypocrisy
Im spaniard.
Do you see the UN saying that Catalonia should be a state?
Did catalans have different rights compared to the rest of spaniards?
Did they live under the boot of military and separated between walls?
Did they are use as a colony where spaniards settlements pop up?
Answer that questions and then we can talk.
@@elvangulley3210 as if Catalonia would be the only territory in Europe seeking the independence 🤡
@@joaquincimas1707 did they declare war on Spain the moment Spain became a country did they say Spain doesn't have the rite to exist did they say all jews should leave or die did they sent suicide bombers and shoot rockets from houses and schools into Spain for the last 100 years did they kill 1200 Spaniards in one day and kidnap 200 others
.. but where will this "Palestine" be...?
The EU should recognise Palestine. Everyone keeps saying they support the ‘two state solution’. So recognise Palestine. Obviously Israel wants ethnic cleansing and genocide - and America does what Israel tells it to do.
Peace for Papstein.
Good on Palestine, I guess. Israeli and Palestinian recognition is not similar to the one-China policy: You can recognise one and the other.
Next week's news: Israel recognises Catalonia and the Basque country, and opens embassies in Barcelona and Bilbao.
Okayyyy... Next next week's news: Catalonia and Basque country recognises Palestine
(Yeah, that's the sentiment of catalan and basque peoples, inside or outside Spain, the majority are with Palestine)
funny because those 3 countries also tried to be ''neutral'' in wwii..........
just pointing that out........
also, funny, none of those 2 countries strive for 2 state sollution in China/Taiwan.
despite the fact that Taiwan has been funtioning democracy for like, what, 50 years now.
And the ww2 part is relevant how? Like what does that have to do with anything. And about china and taiwan.. I'm pretty sure even the us doesn't recognise the roc as china so yh. Taiwan has the guarantees of the us and it isn't like anyone thinks Taiwan might stop existing
For 80 years?
Both Spain and Ireland were neutral throughout WW2 - what are you talking about?
Mate Spain wasn’t neutral in WWII Spain came out of a devastating civil war thanks to a fascist dictatorship, and told Hitler I’m not joining… however the fascists allowed the Nazis to try their bombs and weapons on innocent civilians, a clear example is Guernica, even Picasso painting a super famous piece to represent the horrors… neutral my ass inform yourself… besides thanks to the US and U.K. cowards, the marshal plan wasn’t given to Spain, who took a huge time to recover…
Even the US recognised Taiwan as part of China in the “one China policy”, the only reason they don’t now is due to hypocrisy and fear to control the chip industry.
wow everyone getting worked up - chill. i just said i find it funny that country that sent the 3rd reich condolances when a.h. killed himself (Ireland) is now - supporting so-called ''palpatin..... i mean ''palestine''.
everyone chill.
Yes, but they only recognize "from the fence to the sea"
Even that is too much
Modern French colonialism be like
They had independence referendums, and the people always voted to remain.
@@kingofhearts3185 bc of the french settler population and foreign workers who rely on the french, basically imported votes
@@kingofhearts3185 This is true, however to be fair to the Kanaks it’s a bit more complicated.
The two first referenda resulted in a no vote, but the second was significantly closer than the first, and the pro-independence movement seemed to have serious momentum and might win the third. Then covid hit, which disproportionately affected Kanak communities. The mourning period is seriously important in Kanak culture, so Kanak leaders asked for the referendum to be postponed until after the pandemic, which France refused, causing the pro-independence side to boycott
@@ThijquintNL Those are still French citizens living in French territory, they have a right to decide the fate of their home.
@@LordDim1 Boycotting a vote doesn't make it invalid, it surrenders. Not helped by the previous 2 referendums going the same way. Paris agreed to 3 and there were 3.
Israel and USA should recognise Catalunya as a separate nation. Having said that, I never see Thailand, India or even rich South Korea and Taiwan feel they are entitled to an opinion on Spain and Norway. What is it about Western countries, that they just cannot mind their own business?
Catalonia moved on from independence... tldr eu made a video on how PSC (Catalan branch of PSOE, a unionist leftist party) won the election in Catalunya (you can go and see it).... but not only that, the different independentist parties have lost the majority of the parliament for the first time in decades... so, not even Catalans wants independence anymore 🤭🤭🤭
Crazy, not one comment talking about the fact that they are recognizing Palestine after a terrorist attack. Say what you want, but this is rewarding a terrorist group for rape, murder, and some of the cruelest treatment of humans, Jews and Muslims alike. Almost the same as the allies recognizing Nazi Germany taking over Czechoslovakia at the time.
Israel is doing exactly the same but on a much much larger scale.
Yea? What's to recognize? A Capital? A Currency? A Economy? A Currency? ...a bunch Palestinians do not make up a State.
4 million people fighting for their land are what now?
@@noone2262 a lost cause.
@@davidpowelson4817 so they should just accept getting kicked out of their homes?
@@davidpowelson4817 Most countries that kicked ye out had to deal with those challenges as well.
Personally I have no issue with the existence of Palestine as a state/country. Considering the amount of mistakes that have been done since ww1 by so many countries in that region they should either both be recognized as sovereign states Israel/Palestine , or none. But, doing it now for Palestine with Hamas in power is the biggest stupid thing that can be done. Also if Madrid is so keen to have Hamas as the leaders of a new country they should've let the Catalans get their independence, oh wait , it's only about whatever narrative each one wants, not about the reality of the situation. World full of hypocrite leaders.
I think the argument is more of legit rulings, israel came to be (as a modern state) due to the u.k having taking it over from the ottoman empire. However israel have no right to anything outside the green zone.
Meaning the borders needs to be negoitiated.
As far as I know catalonia is legitimatly part of spain so spain has every right to say no.
You have no idea of the Catalan issue and you use that to try to call us hypocrites...
@@pmp05 Apologizes, my intention is not to offend. I do have some insight on the Catalan issues, friends , ex gf , all Spanish either from the area or outside plus loads of personal research but it's irrelevant, I'm not a citizen snd ofc it's Spanish internal issues. Also I referred to hypocrites not to the hardworking people of Madrid but the government or the branch of government that came up with the idea of recognizing Palestine as a state in such a time. Think about it logically, why haven't they made a fuss about it before and attempt this recognition in the times that the region was more calm? Because it's a tragedy that everyone is trying to benefit from and take advantage of honest people that do care for the Palestinians, but for their own personal gain. The biggest chess moves are made during tragic periods. Do I want the Palestinian people to have a good life ? Ofc I want , they deserve the same way we do.
@@MandaClaudiuMCM I mean, I knew you only were meaning the government and I agree with that, lemme tell you that most Spanish people is propalestinian and our government did that in order to get both internal and external benefits. Btw i appreciate that you took the time to explain it to any person that has no context hahah
Spain recognises Hamas as a terrorist organisation. It is the Palestinian Authority, the one that has representation in the UN, that will be recognised by Spain, Norway and Ireland. Also, do you really think that Palestine and Catalan situations are comparable, though? [Plus, Catalans don't want independence anymore]
Really love the short and sweet positive news piece
All old news. Is this "TLDR Yesterdaily"?
They just updating daily
You tell 'em
I stand with New Caledonia. Just living somewhere for ten years doesn't make you a native.
That goes for all you Californians and New Yorkers colonizing my country, too.
Sorry man housing prices are insane
@@spacemarine3482 I bet you could beat up Will Smith. He has a nice house.
because theyre based