Can Your Truck REALLY Pull That Camper?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Cruze along with me as we dive into your RV's weight, as well as if your truck can handle legally what you're towing. Too many people are unaware that your truck may not be able to handle what you are towing behind it. #rvmaintenance #rvrepairs #rvinspection #rvrenovation #rvcommunity #rvlife #kzdurango #granddesignrv #keystonerv #forestriver #newgenerationrv #newrvs #rvamerica #rvliving #rvtravel #jayco #jaycorv #rvtravel #rvlifestyle #gorving #rvreview #traveltrailer #camping #gocamping #5thwheel
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Im an RV transporter. It's amazing what i see being towed down the road...
Half ton trucks towing 5th wheels are the most scary.
What you say is pretty much correct except that per the brochure your pin weight when leaving the factory is actually 2580 not 2480. You must add to that 60 pounds for 2 full propane tanks and the weight of batteries. To be accurate you need to put everything in your rig including clothes dishes appliances outside chairs grills etc. then reweigh the pin at a certified scale to see the actual pin weight. You are also correct about insurance walking away after an accident.
A few months ago I was out on I-20 in the right lane at 65 mph towing my GD 310GK-R 5th wheel with my 2020 F350 dually when all of a sudden a "lifted" Nissan Titan diesel appears from behind me towing a huge 36-38ft Montana 5th wheel in the left lane. Dude had that Nissan Cummins pegged on the floor mat when he passed us. The engine was screaming and the truck squatting bad.
Ya, it's unreal what people do. I got passed by a transporter while we were in New Mexico on 54 heading Eastbound where it was 2 lane, he almost killed a few of us, he just HAD to pass me, was riding my tail and decided to pass me while there was oncoming traffic he couldn't see, cars were almost in the ditch and he tried to 'push' me out of the way, it was crazy.
Also consider items you have added to your truck like the hitch, Bed cover, larger tires, etc. I weighed mine and this added 1000lbs to the advertised weight.
Great video, based on your numbers it looks like you need a dually. If you load the trailer with clothes for Mutiple seasons like we do our clothes for three seasons weigh 500 lbs. we travel 4 to 6 months at a time. We travel summer, fall and into winter. We are from south Florida and try to escape the heat. The pass through has 300 lbs in it then all the food etc. All together in the trailer is 1400lbs, The truck has 500 lb in the bed 240 fuel 400 people.
@@douglasrooks2634 I'm definitely right on the edge and will most likely use my dually to tow it for sure.
Exactly why my wife and I chose to purchase a 2022 Volvo VNL860 to pull our soon to be built 47’ New Horizons Fifth Wheel. We love the newest GMC Denali Ultimate Dually; however, did our homework and knew that it wouldn’t be enough truck for our future full-time RV life.
Nice! I bet your new 5th wheel will be a beauty, and from an outstanding company to boot.
Make sure you use an airride 5th wheel hitch. A semi beats the hell out of 5th wheel camper without one.
@@Itsa_Mea truck was built by RVH Lifestyles in Dennis, KS. ET Hitch.
Some people just do not care. That’s why I went GMC Duelly. Because in my state if your rig is over 10000 lbs, it requires a NCDL license.
Brother, the exchange I had on that FB thread was mind blowing. The guys that i pushed back on were so misinformed, and the rest just didn't care.
@@CruizinWithTheCarsons yes, 2 years ago I bought a 3/4 ton and then my KZ 382MBQ. When I did the math I did not have enough truck to SAFELY tow my rig. Replaced it with. MY Duelly. The engine would pull it no issues but with only 10000 lb GVWR and a truck weight of 8700, I had a pin weight max of 1300lbs , I’m at 3400 (washer/dryer and generator).
@@robertnasser9937 bingo, sir. I'm blown away by the 3/4 ton guys on the forums that could only say, 'well my truck can tow 20,000lbs., all the while not knowing what payload capacity is.
Not just trucks, people towing huge trailers with Subarus and SUVs. Regardless of low hitch weight capacity, towing anything with a CVT transmission won't end well.😮
One comment i have is regarding what you said about researching payload and towing capacities for your truck on manufacturer websites. When it comes to your specific truck the only place to find that capacity info is going to be on the sticker and some brands are better at this than others. The info on the websites is pure marketing wank. They focus heavily on the "max" numbers for a very specific truck and its basically a 🍆measuring contest between the different brands. The numbers they show are for a stripped 2wd truck and as you add options those numbers go down significantly.
For example i own a 2024 GMC Denali 3500 DRW with a diesel and 4wd. GM lists max payload for the 3500 model as 7290#, that is for a 2wd regular cab DRW with a gas. Mine being 4wd, a crew and loaded the payload is 5150# on the sticker. That's a big difference. They also list the max towing at 36000#, that is for a 2wd regular cab DRW with a diesel. My truck its 31500# on the sticker, again a big difference.
When it comes to the sticker GM is the only one i know of that puts trailering information sticker on there with both tow capacities and payload on there. RAM and Ford , they just list the axles and the vehicle and combined weight ratings.
Capacities are easy enough to figure out. All you need are two numbers to start. GVWR which stands for gross vehicle weight rating. That's the weight of the vehicle and all its cargo. GCRW which stand for "gross combined weight rating" is the other.
Now go take your truck and weigh it at a cat scale and i suggest taking it as you would run it down the road with passengers and stuff. Take the weight of the truck and subtract it from the GVWR which gives you your available payload. Subtract the weight of the truck from the GCWR will give you the maximum trailer you can pull. Keep in mind the rating for a trailer will differ between gooseneck and bumper pull.
Using my truck as an example again. When i take it to a cat scale full of fuel, people, dogs, stuff in the truck and my toolbox it weighs in right at 9500#. My truck has a 14000# GVWR which leaves me 4500# of payload when you subtract the trucks weight from the GVWR. My GCWR is 40000, subtracting the trucks actual weight of 9500# gives me a max trailer of 30500#.
My RV has a pin of 4200# and a total weight of 24k. I'm well within limits on both.
Great points, sir.
Greg the moral of the story you can always haul lighter but heavier a pain in the rear end
It is always better to have more truck than you will need, buy your truck first.The RV dealer is all about a sale. He does not care anything about your safety. If you can get a 1 ton dually they're designed to handle heavy loads because you will want to upgrade your RV one day. PS make sure it's a diesel.
Ahhhh, you qualified the weights with “if”. Smart move considering you put the wife’s weight on paper. I wouldn’t be that bold. Seriously- nice work on explaining what should be a basic concept but that it’s obvious a significant number of people trusted the rv salesman. Keep preaching!
Be safe. Just go to the local auto recycling yard and buy the 3500 HD Badge and stick them on your 1500 truck. ( sarcasm) don't do that.
Hahaha, good one, very good one.
I live on the NC coast, I see some of the craziest tow combinations this time of year. Too common to see a 1/2 ton truck towing a massive camper with nose of truck pointed up and the hitch within inches of being on the pavement. Same with a 3/4 ton truck with a tri-axle toy hauler. Even better, a small jeep with a massive boat.
So you’re saying when added air suspension to 3500 dually it didn’t add to cargo capacity?
Ram took away one leaf of the spring and augmented it when they added air suspension.
Are you saying Semi trucks running air suspension isn’t really an element in load capacity?
Correct, adding air suspension does nothing for payload capacity.
@@CruizinWithTheCarsons Ram uses Air Suspension and removed one leaf spring did not change cargo capacity from leaf springs w/o air suspension.
I do not believe you are correct.
Some semis run air suspension only.
@severecracker3640 just Google 'does air suspension increase payload capacity' and tell me what you see, also consult a licensed cdl driver and they'll tell you the same.
@@CruizinWithTheCarsons You should research truck manufacturers who use AIR SUSPENSION systems instead of springs.
Air suspension can handle incredible loads.
Furthermore; The large commercial busses are air suspension.
@severecracker3640 commercial, not regular 2500's and 3500's.
I actually had a salesman tell me that as long as it only has 2 axles, a 3/4 ton will pull it!!!!!! I couldn't believe he said that. That's a good bit of the problem I think.
@@okie4x4 WHAT?????? Wow.
Another factor the 3/4t guys ignore is their trucks gross rear axle weight rating.. if you are one of these 3/4t guys, do us all a favor and run across a truckstop weigh scale and see what your axle readings are and do some home work.
Amen! Exactly.
Most important!!
Awesome Video Greg! A lot of ppl don’t have a glue as to what you just went over.
It scares me just walking through a campground seeing what combinations people operate with. It's beyond ignorant. And the same goes for us with class A's also, especially gaser's. A lot of them are limited to 5000 lb towing capacity and people put heavy jeeps and even F150's behind them. People don't realize and/or care that with a fully packed rig you are quickly over your rig's limits.
Amen, brother. A HUGE SCARY amen. It's mind blowing. To those people, ignorance is bliss.
My brother in-law smoked his 2019 eco boost towing a 6,000LB travel trailer with a ford expedition loaded down with my sister in law and 4 kids. Just because they say you can tow the trailer doesn’t mean you can tow it.
Motor is smoked and no one will help them because it is his fault for beating on the pedal with the trailer in tow.
Ouch. That is a perfect example of negligence and neglect.
Thank you for trying to get the word out and educate our fellow RVers. I purchased a 1 ton Dually to pull my 35’, 15,000 GVWR, 5th wheel, because I was within about 300 lbs of max payload if I fully loaded the RV. My CDL carries an endorsement for Triple Tow from my days driving OTR. I just shake my head at what I see these days. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
Indeed, sir. As the saying goes, you can never have too much truck. Appreciate your input.
Keeps getting better the more you make. Coming along good my brother. Steve Robinson
Hey Steve, I sure appreciate that, brother. I'm glad you're here, and thank you so much.
Your dog nailed it with her moves as you waxed so ineloquently to her in the intro!😂 Great posting to address a serious safety issue. The "R" in GVWR I believe stands for rating, not ratio. I have had my CDL since 1973. As a truck driver, I need to be nitpicking just because that's what truckers do.🤪Thanks for your entertaining and informative videos.
Thanks for being here, brother, and YES, my gosh I couldn't have even planned or trained Lexi to do what she did at perfect time about weight and then putting her down, it was hard to even keep a straight face knowing if I crack i won't get a second take that perfect, lol.
I own a 39’ toy hauler and it’s a guessing game at my pin weight been over Cat scales several times and my pin weight is never the same dry pin weight is 2,180 pounds from factory I have seen it as high as 2,500 with nothing in the Garage but when I add 1,300 pound 4 seat lifted golf cart and two kayaks it drops my pin weight to 2270 pounds.
Think of a seesaw. I imagine the garage is behind the axels. Thus, like the fulcrum of a lever, that weight is picking up on the front hitch, reducing the load weight on your truck.
Great job Greg and glad you mentioned adding suspension components do NOT increase your payload or towing capacity!!! I am following the 80% rule of thumb which is simply don’t routinely use your equipment above 80% of its ratings if you want it to last. This is why I’m upgrading to a f450 cause I’m at 94% on my 350 which doesn’t give me enough wiggle room in my opinion. Loved the beginning with tour dog!!! Mark.
Did you watch JD's latest of the new F450? I had a 2022 F450 and my gosh what a beast, and the turning radius is stupidly amazing.
Do your homework. 350 and 450 p/u have the same gvwr but the 450 weighs MORE so you actually have less cargo capacity. 450 p/u isn't always the answer. You may need a 450 cab and chassis or 550.
@@Itsa_Mea BRAVO! So many factors go into all of this topic.
@@Itsa_Mea I am aware. The 450 features and specs will fit our needs very well. The 450 is definitely under rated for obvious reasons but I will be well within its specs. Thank you for the heads up. Is sooooo frightening the amount of IGNORANCE out there on towing safely and legally!!!!