In the whole drama, i Watched only Mustafa was supported by all greatest men of otoman empire's without benefits and bribe. But others made important people by their side giving money, bribe and giving high position. By these we can know who is truly best person and who are the worst. If there was other he would accept this proposal,but Mustafa was loyal to his father.
Mustafa was a fool. A competent prince would have taken the throne by now, with or without such assets. That's why he was never fit to rule, that's why he lost. His brother Bayezid was more willful but still lacking in terms of strategy. His brother Cihanger was physically lacking, his mind was brilliant but he was too much like Mustafa, too good and naive. His brother Selim was neither brave nor as strong as Mustafa or Bayezid or even Mehmed, but he was no fool, he knew how to play the game well and that's why he won in the end and became Sultan. As for Suleiman's chosen prince, Mehmed, according to history he was the most suitable to rule the Empire but sadly fate had other plans. Ultimately, only the strongest wins, not in mind, body, goodness or bravery but in will alone.
@@QwuithLordDartox Yep, He should have taken the throne. Also, he was was a brave warrior. Had he ascended the throne, the history would have been written differently. He would likely surpass his father and would possibly annex vienna.
I always thought Mustafa had the support he did because of the favoritism for the first born prince. I think he was suitable as Suleyman's successor, but in intellect, strenght or agility, he was similar to his younger brothers, except Selim who began his career with the left foot. Suleyman, too, favored him, until he began to distrust him. Mustafa made senseless mistakes throughout his career which he refused to acknowledge as such. He even rebelled upon suspicion of Suleyman, although Suleyman let it go rather quickly. It makes the worship for him confusing, so i chalk it up to him being the oldest prince by a moderate difference of five years.
@@rosneIYH not really, his support is the result of him being simillar to his grandfather Yavuz, whom janissaries loved, and also that he(Mustafa) was a good man.
I don't know much about Ottoman history. But, if I go by the serial.... Mustafa was the ideal successor of Suleiman. He has the nerve of his men. Compassionate, brave, well respected and honest. But, destiny has other plans.....
@afreenjahan3719 well in this story, Mustafa somehow did not stop the Janissaries from pledging loyalty to him than to Suleiman. In fact, he basked in it. So he indirectly positioned himself to be the next Sultan when his father was still alive and well. That comprises treason however you call it. Hurrem and Rustem could've plotted against him endlessly but if he only pledged 100% loyalty to his father and not listened to his mother, nothing would've happen. If you must blame someone, blame Mahidevran who instilled in her son's mind that he and only he can sit on the throne and we know what she would've done to Mustafa's brothers.
Suleiman is a psycho in this show. He makes Hurrem to drink poison to test her, he tests Mustafa. . Like, what? 17:54 why the heck highly pregnant woman was travelling with him? Well, ok, it doesnt justify her death, but travelling conditions were so poor back then that I wonder why he took her. 18:05 well Mustafa.. Hurrem was never boundless faithfull to you 🤷🏼♀️ 18:25 he keeps threating her and is surprised she wants to kill him...
I always felt that the downfall of Ottoman empire started from the execution of Shehzada Mustafa. Sultan Suleiman did showed alot of cruelty just to down Mustafa
Women have been whispering in the ears of powerful men since the dawn of time and civilization. Suleiman is no exception. All these idiots who blindly hate on Mustafa are doing it for one reason only. Retribution. An orthodox slave became the wife of the Sultan and now everyone looks to get some closure in their hearts by supporting her and downplaying Mustafa. You all vent your frustrations on him because he represents true Islamic and Ottoman customs, the same ones I'm guessing your ancestors have been conquered on. Had he become Sultan than the Ottoman Empire could've reached Vienna and possibly Rome. The Christian world was weak after Suleiman's death. Selim didn't do much, he just sort of sat there, drinking his days away and writing poetry. With Mustafa's leadership and the love he received from his peers the Empire could've expanded even further. He was respected by the Persians and kept the borders to the East safe. Egypt and North Africa were stable. He had an open road to Vienna. English and French were fighting among each other. He would've probably spared his brothers. Selim would drink his days away in a safe province, Bayezid would be leading the army and Cihangir would be his personal advisor. The only people who would've suffered from his reign to power would be Hurrem and Rustem. A small price to pay. Hurem won the throne with a piric victory. Her own sons turned on each other because she kept watch more over Mustafa then she did her own sons...
Bwahahahahaha! Mustafa’s botttt! Your mustafa was traiitor and rebell! He would never spare his brothers! He would kill all his brothers. And mustafa was coward, he would never expand empire! Poooor you🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
18:14 and then people blame hurrem sultan, I forgot how many times he said that to her. Enough. Under what right a prince talks like that to the haseki sultan I don't understand.
I am also surprised, how can he be so surprised, when he is threating Hürrem at every occasion and she is trying to get rid of him. Especially, knowing how vengenful his mother is.
The mother and son had no respect or loyalty to anyone except themselves. They were both delusional of their own importance. He showed to Suleyman his true self and hence lost his chance to the throne and his own life too ...
Suleiman is very mean to make this to do that. But imagine if Mustafa said just like Ned Stark to his father: the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade. I wish I could see the face of Suleiman if he did that XD. Even if after the situation of Mustafa would be worst.
He does everything right. Hürrem was a snake. And snakes should be put in the place. He did the right job and finally he stand up for himself instead of just bowing as always. Hürrem should have been destroyed long time ago, then Mustafa would have lived.
Honestly that “ Test “ that Suleiman gave to mustafa in the end was so forced and lame 😒 it should have been something smarter with Mustafa failing ( indirectly) instead of this childish plot , also once again Mustafa supporters doom him
So...Mustafa refuses the support of the Janissaries. And yet he defies his father's commands and gets married, despite Suleiman's clear wishes and commands. How exactly does he expect that he'll be regarded as a dutiful, loyal son with such behaviour;
And gave Mihrunissa false impression, that she is as smart as Hürrem. But all she does is talking big, provoking Mustafa and crying when she was outsmarted. Which wasn't difficult.
The test also showed out Mustafa's character and personality. Mustafa's not too smart and exposed himself and where his loyalty stands. Definitely not with suleyman but himself. His mother never taught him about loyalty to the sultan not like Hureem to her children ....
what are you even talking about ? mustafa showed countless times that he loves and respect his father, but unlike him hurrem had the puppets to control the situation against mustafa, while mustafa's mom couldn't do anything, if mustafa's mom captured the love of the sultan, mustafa would've won EASILY.
Hahahahahahaahha! Mustafa’s bot, you decided so? Your mustafa was never smart or powerful. He never accomplished something in history! So stop crying and get outttt!
Mustafa will be great sultan but rustem and hurem cruel women made king sultan suleiman killed Mustafa because of action of Hurem and rustem and maherima make the end of mustafa to much pity in if he was alive he will be fairly sultan and best sultan no like salim he the worst sultan in the end sultan suleiman make bad decisions to killing mustafa and beyazid and he make salim the drunk salim the crown prince
@@nashwaabubakar9382 bwahahahahaha! Mustafa was never sultan, he was traiitor and evilll and diied as traiitor Hurrem was great woman and great sultana and so was mihrimah! Go cryyyy
Mustafa was a fool he didnt listen to what his mother and loyal friends were telling him it was high time that he should have taken the throne from suleiman
Mustafa true face loyalty and love for his father who never deserved Also sulyman had nothing to do but to test mustafa but hurrem whom was caughtspyingandstealing never tested Also a true gentle mam who saved a woman from being kidnnaped Save a child from being kidnaped For sulyman saving is not loyalty butspyingiss loyalty
Just showed that he was more intelligent as a child than adult. When he ran into Hurrem in the corridor for the first time, he was nice and courteous but things went down hill from then on.
Mustafa talked rudely with sultan many times for his mother also sometimes he was just like his mother he took some stupid decision one of them was agreeing on ibrahim and hatice he did not understand they always used him to beat hurrem 😂 mustafa was loyal to ibrahim more than suleiman i think that was the main reason suleiman was angry at him
Sultan Suleiman man should be lucky to have Mustafa but he always treated him just like an enemy and he kept on listening to hurrem sultana which made him kill his own son.
Well technically its not a test tho. Or a challenge at all. In reality its natural that we all must resist the urge to challenge the ones in positions of power. But in some cults & kingdoms it is designed indeed by traditions & ritualisms In most royal hierarchies most princes or princesses just wait til the old queen or king just dies of old age or illness or in battle. In the more tribalismic cults its a younger warrior defeating an old tribe leader alpha, 😂in this show however they defo portray it really romantizised as if the sultan indeed really tests his sons & daughters,,🙄 if they ever survived the purgin from their own father.
Janisarries and wh**** of the Harem caused Ottoman empire dearly. Foreign concubines rebranded as sultana’s doesn’t elevate or associate them to be a family member. They had no bond or connection with the dynasty or empire. Royal household is a sultan with a handful of concubines each having a few children who’s common link is their shared father with whom they’re not bonded either.
Hurrem , worst and selfish character, she is do anything for her victory, that the reason hurrem planed , her own daughter married Oldman Rustam. how she is cheep mother , no mother can do such a things.
In the whole drama, i Watched only Mustafa was supported by all greatest men of otoman empire's without benefits and bribe. But others made important people by their side giving money, bribe and giving high position. By these we can know who is truly best person and who are the worst.
If there was other he would accept this proposal,but Mustafa was loyal to his father.
Mustafa was a fool. A competent prince would have taken the throne by now, with or without such assets. That's why he was never fit to rule, that's why he lost. His brother Bayezid was more willful but still lacking in terms of strategy. His brother Cihanger was physically lacking, his mind was brilliant but he was too much like Mustafa, too good and naive. His brother Selim was neither brave nor as strong as Mustafa or Bayezid or even Mehmed, but he was no fool, he knew how to play the game well and that's why he won in the end and became Sultan. As for Suleiman's chosen prince, Mehmed, according to history he was the most suitable to rule the Empire but sadly fate had other plans. Ultimately, only the strongest wins, not in mind, body, goodness or bravery but in will alone.
@@QwuithLordDartox Yep, He should have taken the throne. Also, he was was a brave warrior. Had he ascended the throne, the history would have been written differently.
He would likely surpass his father and would possibly annex vienna.
I always thought Mustafa had the support he did because of the favoritism for the first born prince. I think he was suitable as Suleyman's successor, but in intellect, strenght or agility, he was similar to his younger brothers, except Selim who began his career with the left foot. Suleyman, too, favored him, until he began to distrust him. Mustafa made senseless mistakes throughout his career which he refused to acknowledge as such. He even rebelled upon suspicion of Suleyman, although Suleyman let it go rather quickly. It makes the worship for him confusing, so i chalk it up to him being the oldest prince by a moderate difference of five years.
@@rosneIYH not really, his support is the result of him being simillar to his grandfather Yavuz, whom janissaries loved, and also that he(Mustafa) was a good man.
@@QwuithLordDartox he didnot know any game his ruling was worst but both sultan and hurrem shows nepotism towards him thats why he got the throne
I don't know much about Ottoman history. But, if I go by the serial.... Mustafa was the ideal successor of Suleiman. He has the nerve of his men. Compassionate, brave, well respected and honest. But, destiny has other plans.....
Unfortunate how every single supporter of Mustafa did disservice to him by openly declaring their fidelity.
Compare the entry of Rüstem Paşa and Şehzade Selim into the Janissary Barracks with Mustafa's, and you can see a clear difference.
Suleiman started to hate mustafa a well ago.. And was searching reasons to remove him.. And that Hate came from the Love he had for huram
Yet suleiman doesn't trust mustafa at all
All because of Hurram Sultan and Rustam Pasa's evil plotting
@afreenjahan3719 well in this story, Mustafa somehow did not stop the Janissaries from pledging loyalty to him than to Suleiman. In fact, he basked in it. So he indirectly positioned himself to be the next Sultan when his father was still alive and well. That comprises treason however you call it. Hurrem and Rustem could've plotted against him endlessly but if he only pledged 100% loyalty to his father and not listened to his mother, nothing would've happen. If you must blame someone, blame Mahidevran who instilled in her son's mind that he and only he can sit on the throne and we know what she would've done to Mustafa's brothers.
@@Joy_1223it's funny that you don't point out them stealing his seal and framing him
Suleiman is a psycho in this show. He makes Hurrem to drink poison to test her, he tests Mustafa. . Like, what?
17:54 why the heck highly pregnant woman was travelling with him? Well, ok, it doesnt justify her death, but travelling conditions were so poor back then that I wonder why he took her.
18:05 well Mustafa.. Hurrem was never boundless faithfull to you 🤷🏼♀️
18:25 he keeps threating her and is surprised she wants to kill him...
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@@АланЖанбыр where exactly?
@@nielubieinceli read your own comment
I always felt that the downfall of Ottoman empire started from the execution of Shehzada Mustafa. Sultan Suleiman did showed alot of cruelty just to down Mustafa
Women have been whispering in the ears of powerful men since the dawn of time and civilization. Suleiman is no exception. All these idiots who blindly hate on Mustafa are doing it for one reason only. Retribution. An orthodox slave became the wife of the Sultan and now everyone looks to get some closure in their hearts by supporting her and downplaying Mustafa. You all vent your frustrations on him because he represents true Islamic and Ottoman customs, the same ones I'm guessing your ancestors have been conquered on. Had he become Sultan than the Ottoman Empire could've reached Vienna and possibly Rome. The Christian world was weak after Suleiman's death. Selim didn't do much, he just sort of sat there, drinking his days away and writing poetry. With Mustafa's leadership and the love he received from his peers the Empire could've expanded even further. He was respected by the Persians and kept the borders to the East safe. Egypt and North Africa were stable. He had an open road to Vienna. English and French were fighting among each other. He would've probably spared his brothers. Selim would drink his days away in a safe province, Bayezid would be leading the army and Cihangir would be his personal advisor. The only people who would've suffered from his reign to power would be Hurrem and Rustem. A small price to pay. Hurem won the throne with a piric victory. Her own sons turned on each other because she kept watch more over Mustafa then she did her own sons...
You're absolutely correct 👏🏼
Very well said
Crisp clear and without any holding back .
Simply beautiful explanation. Sir / madam
We don't know about sparing his brother's life, he still had mahidevran who hated hurrem so much
Bwahahahahaha! Mustafa’s botttt! Your mustafa was traiitor and rebell! He would never spare his brothers! He would kill all his brothers. And mustafa was coward, he would never expand empire! Poooor you🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
18:14 and then people blame hurrem sultan, I forgot how many times he said that to her. Enough. Under what right a prince talks like that to the haseki sultan I don't understand.
I am also surprised, how can he be so surprised, when he is threating Hürrem at every occasion and she is trying to get rid of him. Especially, knowing how vengenful his mother is.
The mother and son had no respect or loyalty to anyone except themselves. They were both delusional of their own importance. He showed to Suleyman his true self and hence lost his chance to the throne and his own life too ...
He is not like selim drunk or bayezid, he is the heir of throne, golden prince
@@SaadKhan-kc9kr no he is not.
Mustafa was getting too popular with the soldiers- overshadowing the Sultan. No wonder Suleiman had to get rid is Mustafa.
Suleiman is very mean to make this to do that.
But imagine if Mustafa said just like Ned Stark to his father: the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade.
I wish I could see the face of Suleiman if he did that XD. Even if after the situation of Mustafa would be worst.
He didn't have the bottle to say that.
18:14 Mustafa shows his true face, he's like his mother, justice on episode 123 for hurrem sultan ultimate victory.
He does everything right. Hürrem was a snake. And snakes should be put in the place. He did the right job and finally he stand up for himself instead of just bowing as always. Hürrem should have been destroyed long time ago, then Mustafa would have lived.
umm, everyone but his father and siblings knows that he hates Hürrem. It's not really a secret you know...
@@hussainsultanzada6123 he hates because she deserved that hate on her own.
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@@hussainsultanzada6123 it is , you said his father and siblings don't know it. If only Suleiman knew....
13:11 hurrem sultan well said to fatma. How dare fatma talk like that and what is she comparing here???
She talks facts
@@OmerFaruk-f1i fatma? She doesn't
@@DimSK.
I dont remember ali aga did anything disrespectful to sultan
@@OmerFaruk-f1i he did
Hurrem was a murderer
Lmao Suleiman’s “test” is the funniest show 😂😂😂
18:15 Mustafa digging his own grave and making mistakes after mistakes.
18:14 oh really??? How dare Mustafa talk like that, who is he? I don't feel sorry for episode 123
Honestly that “ Test “ that Suleiman gave to mustafa in the end was so forced and lame 😒 it should have been something smarter with Mustafa failing ( indirectly) instead of this childish plot , also once again Mustafa supporters doom him
@Leo yep
Poor Mustafa ..she win and died on Suleyman's bed ..
That day will never come
No matter what happened
Women like Hürrem and mahidevran are still criminals, both are the reason why their sons died
Mustafa problem he trust his father words,he didnt realize suleiman is listening only on hurrem words,pity!
So...Mustafa refuses the support of the Janissaries. And yet he defies his father's commands and gets married, despite Suleiman's clear wishes and commands.
How exactly does he expect that he'll be regarded as a dutiful, loyal son with such behaviour;
And gave Mihrunissa false impression, that she is as smart as Hürrem. But all she does is talking big, provoking Mustafa and crying when she was outsmarted. Which wasn't difficult.
@@nielubieinceli exactly. She's no better than Huricihan or Dafne
@@nielubieinceli what do you expect Mustafa to be like suleyman? He's his mother son!!! Not as smart as suleyman, eh!!!
Shut up
18:15 Mustafa threatening Hurrem again. Big mistake Mustafa, big mistake!
Like mother like son ...
I mean wasn't she the one sho threatened him ? y'all are simping over nothing
@@drago1616Hurrem really wants him dead.
The test also showed out Mustafa's character and personality. Mustafa's not too smart and exposed himself and where his loyalty stands. Definitely not with suleyman but himself. His mother never taught him about loyalty to the sultan not like Hureem to her children ....
Oh shut up
what are you even talking about ? mustafa showed countless times that he loves and respect his father, but unlike him hurrem had the puppets to control the situation against mustafa, while mustafa's mom couldn't do anything, if mustafa's mom captured the love of the sultan, mustafa would've won EASILY.
Really Mustafa? 18:15 Threatening Hurrem again?
15:11 really? How dare you, who are you to judge that about the haseki sultan yahya agha?
Right, even Mustafa gets that it was smart message. Like, they send a scorpion and are offended by getting dead scorpion back 😂.
What the great future the Ottoman empire would had if such a great Prince like Mustafa would became 11th Sultan?
Feel very sorry for Prince Mustafa.
Hahahahahaha! You decided so? Mustafa was rebell and traitor. He would never be great sultan! Mehmet was best shehzade and Mahidevran killed him.
Hahahahahahaahha! Mustafa’s bot, you decided so? Your mustafa was never smart or powerful. He never accomplished something in history! So stop crying and get outttt!
Mustafa’s bottt, you decided so? Hahahahaha! Mustafa was never strong or smart. He could never be great sultan. Stop dreaming and crying hahaahha
Mustafa will be great sultan but rustem and hurem cruel women made king sultan suleiman killed Mustafa because of action of Hurem and rustem and maherima make the end of mustafa to much pity in if he was alive he will be fairly sultan and best sultan no like salim he the worst sultan in the end sultan suleiman make bad decisions to killing mustafa and beyazid and he make salim the drunk salim the crown prince
@@nashwaabubakar9382 bwahahahahaha! Mustafa was never sultan, he was traiitor and evilll and diied as traiitor
Hurrem was great woman and great sultana and so was mihrimah! Go cryyyy
13:02 Mustafa sees hurrem sultan
13:04 hurrem sultan sees Mustafa.
Well done haseki sultan wins Mustafa again.
Mustafa was a fool he didnt listen to what his mother and loyal friends were telling him it was high time that he should have taken the throne from suleiman
He was not fool he was loayal towards sultan
Mustafa true face loyalty and love for his father who never deserved
Also sulyman had nothing to do but to test mustafa but hurrem whom was caughtspyingandstealing never tested
Also a true gentle mam who saved a woman from being kidnnaped
Save a child from being kidnaped
For sulyman saving is not loyalty butspyingiss loyalty
Stopit
@@shoshocooko1558 not me
@@Aliaakaramm yes not you you copyme
@@shoshocooko1558 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Aliaakaramm 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
14:43 well done hurrem sultan to mustafa
Just showed that he was more intelligent as a child than adult. When he ran into Hurrem in the corridor for the first time, he was nice and courteous but things went down hill from then on.
@@kayodewa because he forgot who he is. He thinks he's sultan and that's because his mother had been telling it to him since young age
@@kayodewa due to mother's influence as well as his own inability to be his own man and know right from wrong. Actually he's not too smart.
@@DimSK. 👍👏👏
13:38 burn 😂😂😂😂
Mustafa talked rudely with sultan many times for his mother also sometimes he was just like his mother he took some stupid decision one of them was agreeing on ibrahim and hatice he did not understand they always used him to beat hurrem 😂 mustafa was loyal to ibrahim more than suleiman i think that was the main reason suleiman was angry at him
No It was hurrem who always set trap for Mustafa to keep suleman against Mustafa she was so mean nd dodgy...
Sultan Suleiman man should be lucky to have Mustafa but he always treated him just like an enemy and he kept on listening to hurrem sultana which made him kill his own son.
SULTAN MUSTAFA
Wait… is this supposed to be loyalty test, Suleiman? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well technically its not a test tho.
Or a challenge at all.
In reality its natural that we all must resist the urge to challenge the ones in positions of power.
But in some cults & kingdoms it is designed indeed by traditions & ritualisms
In most royal hierarchies most princes or princesses just wait til the old queen or king just dies of old age or illness or in battle.
In the more tribalismic cults its a younger warrior defeating an old tribe leader alpha,
😂in this show however they defo portray it really romantizised as if the sultan indeed really tests his sons & daughters,,🙄 if they ever survived the purgin from their own father.
Janisarries and wh**** of the Harem caused Ottoman empire dearly. Foreign concubines rebranded as sultana’s doesn’t elevate or associate them to be a family member. They had no bond or connection with the dynasty or empire. Royal household is a sultan with a handful of concubines each having a few children who’s common link is their shared father with whom they’re not bonded either.
hurremended mehmed
now moved on Mustafa
shedidnt learn her lesson
and suly does whatever she wants..
Suleiman’s “test” was so easy and Mustafa’s “loyalty” looked so 🤡🤮
Shame on suleyman...how can one call him magnificent...he would won countries but not his conscience...how can he be so paranoic about his son.....
Thank God Soleiman was a fool. Mustafa would have conquered much more of Europe.
So much mean people
King suleman was actually a dog in human shape.
mustafa is just soo hypocrites. his words and action no sincron, face and words like innocent, but his acts tells more
If there was a hypocrite that was only hurrem she was dodgy
Hurrem , worst and selfish character, she is do anything for her victory, that the reason hurrem planed , her own daughter married Oldman Rustam.
how she is cheep mother , no mother can do such a things.
😢😢😢😢
The actress who plays old Hurrem is the most annoying face in the turkish filmography.
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Hurrem cry about beingkidnnapedalso hurremkidnapbarbarosa duaghter who did nothing to her and never knew her
Hurremhypocrisyat it's highest
Don'tcopyme
@@shoshocooko1558 nor me
@@Aliaakaramm stop
@@shoshocooko1558 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Aliaakaramm 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Sulehyrrem 😂😂😂😂was hes real betchman name 😂😂😂😂suleshiteeeee