Si Crewe of course it’s quite opposite in the west.....where we drive on the right....yet we do have right side drive cars, and you can even buy them new, but you rarely see anyone passing other traffic in them. I’d buy one just to be different because that’s just the kind of people I am!
@@jonnycando I suppose it could be worse. I know somebody, in the UK, who bought an imported 90's Trans-Am that was LHD. The guy kept telling everybody that being LHD wasn't a problem but he sold it about 6 months later and THEN admitted he'd lost track of the number of near-misses he'd had while attempting to overtake other cars. Least you won't have much of a temptation to try that in a 2CV.
When I was in the UK, I had no problems overtaking a slow campervan in my LHD V70. But I have to admit I had someone with equal driving experience on the lookout in the passenger seat, it was on the A15 in Lincolnshire which is as straight as a ruler and there was little oncoming traffic.
The fact that the standard cars don't have a great deal of power and torque, even modest improvements make a big difference. Elley displayed this with the "big block" conversion and that increase was not huge. That car sounded fantastic when wound up. I think I Know what Ian will be asking Santa for this year. Best wishes to all Hub Nut fans from Australia (stay safe)
@@markdowling5962 as I understand the GS engine was a good idea when GS engines were freely available, but these days it's easier to put a BMW bike engine in. If you like that kind of thing.
@@markdowling5962 My uncle had a baby blue Ami 8 fond memories of the car, realised years later that the sound was the same as the 2CV's.It would fly I guess putting a GS engine in a 2CV, change the brakes etc.?
That looks like huge fun and good upgrades on the standard car. You can really see and hear the differences to performance and handling in the video. I suspect Pete’s going to be receiving quite a few calls from 2CV owners after this one! Great HubNut video.
Hi Ian! I'm so glad you made this, and talked about the benefits of the vacuum advance ignition. There's this bizzare subcult of air-cooled VWs (unfortunately including the John Muir, who wrote the wonder "Compleat Volkswagen" book) who somehow think that the 009 centrifugal-only distributor is the right one for a beetle and anyone who doesn't think that isn't driving it right. Thanks for the video, Ian. Keep it up!
Oh my god, love it. I always wondered about boring mine out and fitting twin carbs but for me the Belgian arm mod was an eye opener. I used to go through kingpin bushes like I had shares in the company! I love how carefully thought out and well developed this 2CV is. I never had any issues with cranks so I did wonder how much room for tuning there might be. Sadly my 2CVs were always my only form of transportation so keeping them on the road was priority.
Impressive, I wish I had this amount of power when I was driving one on long trips in France... around the "massif central" it was painful to go up-hill :D
I drove LHD cars for years in the UK.. The trick for overtaking is to wait for a gently sweeping left hander so you can see the road ahead. It's actually safer than RHD as you don't need to move out to check for on coming traffic!
a improved 2cv with a +652cc 35hp (from the Visa) was planed in mid 80's, but this had need a new approval and this cost too much because emissions laws (need injection + cat) and ABS requirement+ new requirements for passive safety (crash test) who was impossible to make with a so light car...
Having owned a 2CV before, which was both the best and worst car I ever had rolled into one, this looks like a real laugh.. just wouldn't want to be in a crash in it.
Never would have thought I’d see an article or video about tweaking a 2CV. You probably doubled the prices in the US now for this brand. Thanks, this was fun.
I suspect that it doesn’t just have an capacity increase, but a big increase in compression ratio as well. The improved ignition would make that possible. I’m not a Citroën expert by any means but I’m pretty sure the Visa engine had an electronically controlled ignition as well. Isn’t it also a case of the original 2CV engine being setup for using low quality fuel?
They did make upmarket '2cv's. They're called the Dyane and the Ami, both built on the 2cv chassis. The dyane only had the 2cv engine, the Ami was also available with the 1.1 GS 4 cylinder boxer engine. Apparently that one revved to 7500 and went from 0 to 100km/h in less than 16 seconds.
Great film!. Could you help....I used to have a buff coloured 2cv softback workshop manual....called something like...horizontally opposed flat twins. I want to get one again but don’t Lonie what it was properly called. Thanks, Richard
Very nice video! Astonishing, what you can do with a 2CV. I take it is an original Citroën flat twin brought to 720 cc, not a “foreign” engine. I wonder whether 720 cc is the limit? Another question: how’s the ride?
So, from "less is more" it goes to "a little more seems definitely much more". I am envious of the specialist shops available to you guys or in countries like The Netherlands, Belgium and so on. Such mods in Spain would be a nightmare to make legal for MOT purposes, as well as very expensive to have homologated. Can you go into a MOT station in the UK with such a ride no questions asked or do you need to have an engineer sign on the mod project and then the changes are added to the vehicle´s technical sheet -as is the case in Spain? Also, in Spain if the increase in power goes over a certain percentage over the original HP and you car has got drum brakes, you must upgrade to discs or else your car can not be made road legal.
very very enjoyable! Is this a better solution than a bmw conversion? Seems more satisfying due to the originality. I'd love to try both and have the cash to choose.
@@HubNut I had a drive of the Charleston the young lady said her father did some to the front suspension so that the car wouldn't feel nose down all the time, it was an exciting little car to drive, it got me hooked.
Hubnut doing a very good job promoting the 2CV as a fun car to drive. I like simple and utilitarian small cars a lot, and I'm sure I'd enjoy driving a 2CV or Renault 4.
"Power: less is more" is probably true, but where the real driveability lies is in torque. A nice wodge of low-end torque will make a car nicer to drive even if the top-end power isn't increased much.
@@johnd8892 you think that he should ship 🛳 Betty over? Maybe somebody in New Zealand is mad to get hands on a rare Vauxhall (probably police spec) Vectra 2.2 LS. Couldn't be a police car with so few miles.
Flywheel lightness and gearing makes an even bigger difference... for instance a mk1 panda 1.1 up to 40mph feels like it wants to fly off, jittery at the throttle, rev happy, feels more "sporty" than my mk4 mondeo tdci
@@DavidColex been there with a 1990 Panda 1000 Sergio Tacchini. Little rocket 🚀. Before that a Panda 750 L 4 speed. Even the 750 was quick because of the gearing. 👍👍
@@garymills6702 Gearbox, brakes, suspension, even the clutch! all remain stock. Unlike in most cars they are tough (over-engineered) to begin with and the brakes are easily up to the power. 2CV's with disc brakes have very powerful brakes compared to their weight. Check out Pete Sparrow at Mallory in the test mule 1100cc car.
What a car! If 2CV's hadn't become so expensive I would really want one and then have it modded like this. I've seen people shoehorn a GS engine under the bonnet, back in the 1990s already, that makes a 2CV (or a Dyane) a truly terrifying experience...
That's properly ripping through the gears. You can really tell by the rate of rev increase how much extra power that car has over a stock 2CV, especially in first! Always wants to wheelspin!
I think this has put some serious thoughts in Ian's head with regards improving Elly's drivability, will probably make better use of the 50cc extra. The front suspension is probably a worthwhile improvement, if only to save some kingpin wear
720cc producing 48 bhp is impressive and almost exactly the same cc to bhp ratio (15/1) as the 127 Sport you recently tested, 1049cc producing 70 bhp (14.9/1). That's stock standard, out the wrapper, unmodified, straight from Turin. Think you should start quoting cc to bhp figures in your reviews, it would make interesting reading don't you think?
Same here only he wasn't an amateur rally driver, just a nutter, went round a right hand bend a bit quick and l thought my elbow was going to scrape on the road!!!!
How does it compare to a Burton conversion with a BMW flat two engine? I am jealous.. I have been toying with the idea of the 652 cc engine for my 1990 series 2CV6 RHD Charleston which I have now covered 187,000 miles. Love it. More power... over to the dark side of 2CVing.... excitement plus. No longer will you have to slip stream trucks in a headwind. No longer will you have to preplan overtaking manoevures way before they are undertaken. No longer will you have gravel rash on your elbow when extremely cornering tilt angles are reached... Great fun.
way back in the day, there was a SCCA class called "H modified" for cars of 750cc. (from wiki)-- "When Bill Devin sold his Ferrari 250 MM coupe to a buyer in Michigan in 1954 he took a 1953 Deutsch-Bonnet Le Mans barquette in trade as partial payment.[1] Devin also bought out the stock of a Panhard dealer in California, acquiring ten chassis with engines but no bodies.[3]:61 Devin designed his own ladder frame for a custom race car that used the engine and front-wheel drive transaxle from the Panhards. The wheelbase of this chassis was 2,134 millimetres (84 inches). Devin also took a mold of the body of the DB Le Mans, made some changes, and began to produce custom bodies for his new car.[4] This was his first experience working with fiberglass. With help from Norton motorcycle racer Don Evans, Devin adapted the cylinder barrels, cylinder heads and pistons from the Norton Manx motorcycle to the two-cylinder boxer Panhard crankcase, roller-bearing crankshaft assembly and piston rods.[1]:62[5] He then fabricated a custom manifold that accepted two-barrel side-draft Weber carburetors. All of these alterations did not affect the displacement of the engine, leaving the 79.5mm bore and 75mm stroke unchanged for a total displacement of 745 cc. What made the engine unique was the method Devin used to operate the valves. He abandoned the Panhard's pushrod OHV system and contacted the L. H. Gilmer company about using their toothed belts to drive the Manx cylinder heads' overhead cams.[5] Development of synchronous toothed-belts was begun by the Gilmer company around 1940.[6] Their primary application had been as a means of transmitting power in textile mills.[7] Devin's use of the technology to drive the valve train in the Devin-Panhard engine was the first time toothed belts were used in a timing belt application. " there ya go.
Wow! That looks so fun to drive! Although I can't help wondering if by the time you've changed the ignition system, added a wideband lambda sensor and spent time tuning the carbs to match the rest of the mechanical work, you may as well go full EFI... I must admit that since I bought a BMW R850R, I just want that grey 2CV with the R1100 engine you drove back in 2015, even if purists might not be the biggest fans ;-)
I'm from Belgium and i like your video's a lot. You drove a lot of different cars and give always a good impression from the cars. I like this episode a lot. Nice car 👍👌
I'm normally against modded classic cars, but I can see the point of a lot of what's on this one. Made me think of your idea of buying something like a Morris Minor and making a few subtle mods to turn it into a daily driver for the 2020s. Although personally i think you should do it to an Austin A40 Farina, which I think could be made almost bang up to date with little effort.
Fitting a BMW boxer engine to a 2CV transmission has been done a number of times and is one of the conversions that Sparrow Automotive offer. Imagine a 2CV with 125bhp...
@@ferrumignis to be reliable its better do not get over 100hp because need to use the original gearbox...and traction is limited from the size from the tires (original is 125 or 135 wide...).I have a improved 2cv engine who produce ~45hp and to have a correct traction i did modify the differencial gear for a torsen (Quaife), gearbox came from a Dyane, top speed 130km/h, limited from the gearbox ratio
I've not read all the comments but, assuming that this vacuum advance is the conventional system that advances the ignition by turning the sensor/contact plate to a more advanced position when the engine is developing an intake manifold vacuum, then this is not producing the extra power during the 0-60 run or when pulling up the incline. When the throttle is open, as it is during these manoeuvres, then engine is producing very little manifold vacuum. Vacuum is only produced when the throttle is almost closed, so when travelling at a steady speed on the flat with little load on the engine, or with a closed throttle when on the over-run. The extra power being produced by the 2CV as demonstrated during the video is therefore not attributable to the vacuum advance.
It's fully electronic using a vacuum pipe and sensor. It's tractability that's really boosted, but also response under light throttle as you say. It makes it pick up much more cleanly. As you say, doesn't affect full bore acceleration.
48bhp is powerful for a 2CV and that cone filter makes it sound great.. Pete Sparrow is a wizard at making them faster. I remember the B reg red 2CV Turbo as well.
That's a great upgrade and if it is getting 48bhp that's impressive without forced induction. I know what you mean about tractability, I drive one of the higher powered Polos and the ability to pull up hills mostly without changing down a lot of gears is nicer than the speed.
Many years ago, when I was a mechanic, I worked for a bloke who shared a workshop with another mechanic who loved his 2CV's and quite a few people bought theirs to him for work on. One of these was a turbo 2CV, belonging to a friend of his, and I'll never forget when he told me, that the turbo took 14 seconds off of the standard 0-60 time, and it still took 18 seconds to do it. The car had a black band on one of the front wings, a result of a rather nasty under bonnet fire a few years previous, which almost destroyed the car, but it was rebuilt, with the necessary modifications to reduce the risk of it happening again. A couple of years after leaving this job, I was watching "the cars the star" on tv, about the 2CV, and was surprised to see this very same car featured. I believe it's available on you tube.
"The only time LHD becomes an issue in the 2CV is when you're overtaking...."
Gotta love an optimist. :-P
Complex junctions in lhd cars... need a phd for that
Si Crewe of course it’s quite opposite in the west.....where we drive on the right....yet we do have right side drive cars, and you can even buy them new, but you rarely see anyone passing other traffic in them. I’d buy one just to be different because that’s just the kind of people I am!
@@jonnycando I suppose it could be worse.
I know somebody, in the UK, who bought an imported 90's Trans-Am that was LHD.
The guy kept telling everybody that being LHD wasn't a problem but he sold it about 6 months later and THEN admitted he'd lost track of the number of near-misses he'd had while attempting to overtake other cars.
Least you won't have much of a temptation to try that in a 2CV.
I overtake slower cars in a completely stock LHD 602cc 1978 2CV, it is easily possible. Speedbumps, that's where you get them every time.
When I was in the UK, I had no problems overtaking a slow campervan in my LHD V70. But I have to admit I had someone with equal driving experience on the lookout in the passenger seat, it was on the A15 in Lincolnshire which is as straight as a ruler and there was little oncoming traffic.
"accelerate in just the way 2CVs don't" - that's a Douglas Adamsism. Excellent. (Hang in the air just the way bricks don't)
The fact that the standard cars don't have a great deal of power and torque, even modest improvements make a big difference. Elley displayed this with the "big block" conversion and that increase was not huge. That car sounded fantastic when wound up. I think I Know what Ian will be asking Santa for this year. Best wishes to all Hub Nut fans from Australia (stay safe)
Thanks Rob, I live in the prison state of Victoria, we're still in lockdown until our Premier decides to let us out.
2 fast 2 furious 2CV😎
2cv fast 2cv furious 😆
2C 2V
Yeah put that modification on Elly too now she's in the workshop 👍😁
"Here, try this CV", says the friendly drug dealer. Oh, I think Pete knew *exactly* why he gave you his daily :)
That looked like a lot of fun. Not surprised Pete uses it every day when it has a turn of pace like that.
Hubnut, I suggest you do a few mods to Elly, I think you'll enjoy her even more ☺️
@Skodaman2 Yes he did, gas flowed heads/big valves
@@markdowling5962 as I understand the GS engine was a good idea when GS engines were freely available, but these days it's easier to put a BMW bike engine in. If you like that kind of thing.
@@markdowling5962 My uncle had a baby blue Ami 8 fond memories of the car, realised years later that the sound was the same as the 2CV's.It would fly I guess putting a GS engine in a 2CV, change the brakes etc.?
That looks like huge fun and good upgrades on the standard car. You can really see and hear the differences to performance and handling in the video. I suspect Pete’s going to be receiving quite a few calls from 2CV owners after this one! Great HubNut video.
The more I see of the 2CV, the more interesting they become, and the more I want one. They’re certainly rare here in the US.
Hi Ian!
I'm so glad you made this, and talked about the benefits of the vacuum advance ignition. There's this bizzare subcult of air-cooled VWs (unfortunately including the John Muir, who wrote the wonder "Compleat Volkswagen" book) who somehow think that the 009 centrifugal-only distributor is the right one for a beetle and anyone who doesn't think that isn't driving it right.
Thanks for the video, Ian. Keep it up!
Oh my god, love it. I always wondered about boring mine out and fitting twin carbs but for me the Belgian arm mod was an eye opener. I used to go through kingpin bushes like I had shares in the company!
I love how carefully thought out and well developed this 2CV is. I never had any issues with cranks so I did wonder how much room for tuning there might be. Sadly my 2CVs were always my only form of transportation so keeping them on the road was priority.
Jjj
I’m not even a big 2CV fan but that was a really interesting video to watch. Great content 👍🏻
I distinctly remember years ago reading an article about a one-make series for 2CV's that were turbocharged.
There has been a 2CV race series in the UK for about 40 years, but turbocharging isn't allowed.
@@HubNutyeah know about that one but this one had them all turbocharged. It was in an old Car magazine in the early 90s.I'll see if I can dig it out.
To quote Jeremy. Clarkson - "POWERRRR!"
The sound of that engine! Sublime! I could listen to that all day.
Impressive, I wish I had this amount of power when I was driving one on long trips in France... around the "massif central" it was painful to go up-hill :D
A 2CV with heated seats. Luxury! I'm surprised the brakes haven't been upgraded to go with the power increase.
This is the most efficient car ever built.
I drove LHD cars for years in the UK.. The trick for overtaking is to wait for a gently sweeping left hander so you can see the road ahead. It's actually safer than RHD as you don't need to move out to check for on coming traffic!
9:12 "Sacrebleu" :-O Respect!
You know you want to now Ian. I want to too! How much I wonder? Got to purchase a 2CV first though. Brilliant.
love how "achieving the speed limit" is an impressive feat in one of these haha
Those are some nice mods to an outrageous car.
What a great noise it makes. Makes you wonder why Pete would need his bangin' tunes (although I am quite I intrigued to know what they are).
super machine :) super coherent mod's, extracting all the juice and letting both engine and driver happy :)) please take me for a ride !!
Think I spotted this the other day, whilst out on my rounds, didn't look for the driver as the wrong colour!
If Citroen had produced this GT model it would have sold really well. Can't rewrite history though.
a improved 2cv with a +652cc 35hp (from the Visa) was planed in mid 80's, but this had need a new approval and this cost too much because emissions laws (need injection + cat) and ABS requirement+ new requirements for passive safety (crash test) who was impossible to make with a so light car...
Don't let Elly catch you enjoying the drive of another 2cv...she'll get jealous...and then she usually starts to go wrong
Having owned a 2CV before, which was both the best and worst car I ever had rolled into one, this looks like a real laugh.. just wouldn't want to be in a crash in it.
At last a 2Cv with adequate performance! The 2CV and original Fiat 500 got banned by the E.U. because they couldn't keep up with traffic!
Lots of Elly mods to think about in the coming years then Ian! ;)
Never has 0 - 60 in 20 seconds felt so fast! Haha
Hi Hubnut....did Petes dad have a small garage in Wokingham, Berks in the 1980's concentrating on Citroen cars???
Never would have thought I’d see an article or video about tweaking a 2CV.
You probably doubled the prices in the US now for this brand.
Thanks, this was fun.
I'm a Dyanne fan, but my dream one would be ev Dyanne.
Big engine small engine who cares?just an incredible iconic car 🚗 with character. Top stuff Sir 👍 Tam.
it's missing a hubnut sticker that will make it even faster.
I suspect that it doesn’t just have an capacity increase, but a big increase in compression ratio as well. The improved ignition would make that possible. I’m not a Citroën expert by any means but I’m pretty sure the Visa engine had an electronically controlled ignition as well. Isn’t it also a case of the original 2CV engine being setup for using low quality fuel?
Get your hands on the BMW racer if you can. That's an eye-popper.
what a fabulous thing - it should be the object of everybodies desire....
Makes you wonder why Citroen didn't make an upmarket 2cv?.
I wonder if the GSA unit fitted into the 2cv?!
They did make upmarket '2cv's. They're called the Dyane and the Ami, both built on the 2cv chassis. The dyane only had the 2cv engine, the Ami was also available with the 1.1 GS 4 cylinder boxer engine. Apparently that one revved to 7500 and went from 0 to 100km/h in less than 16 seconds.
This french beauty is singing on alto, which sounds really good to my ears...
Sounds great 😎
Great film!. Could you help....I used to have a buff coloured 2cv softback workshop manual....called something like...horizontally opposed flat twins. I want to get one again but don’t Lonie what it was properly called. Thanks, Richard
I was an embarased teenager in my sister's 2cv years ago. Like this one though 👍
Very nice video! Astonishing, what you can do with a 2CV. I take it is an original Citroën flat twin brought to 720 cc, not a “foreign” engine. I wonder whether 720 cc is the limit? Another question: how’s the ride?
Lot of 2cv are upgraded with the 1100 cc of the Citroën GS.
@@HenriBourjade And 2 extra cylinders
So, from "less is more" it goes to "a little more seems definitely much more". I am envious of the specialist shops available to you guys or in countries like The Netherlands, Belgium and so on. Such mods in Spain would be a nightmare to make legal for MOT purposes, as well as very expensive to have homologated. Can you go into a MOT station in the UK with such a ride no questions asked or do you need to have an engineer sign on the mod project and then the changes are added to the vehicle´s technical sheet -as is the case in Spain? Also, in Spain if the increase in power goes over a certain percentage over the original HP and you car has got drum brakes, you must upgrade to discs or else your car can not be made road legal.
POWER...more less is more!!
With a Car like this ! Who needs an Alfa?!!!😂
That's a Trick Question!
With those skinny tires, n those dangerous roads, i would hear Death knocking on my door N that would keep me ALIVE!!! 😂
FUN!!!
Elly needs the same mods them she will need the MCM chopped sticker definitely 😎
very very enjoyable! Is this a better solution than a bmw conversion? Seems more satisfying due to the originality. I'd love to try both and have the cash to choose.
Why do the wipers always park in front of the driver whether its left or right hand drive?
I do like a good 2CV video
I love it 🥰
Hi Ian, have you test-driven the Charleston with the GS conversion? A friend of mine had one when the James bond movie came out.
I've driven a GSA-powered Dyane. That was very exciting, if rather front heavy.
@@HubNut I had a drive of the Charleston the young lady said her father did some to the front suspension so that the car wouldn't feel nose down all the time, it was an exciting little car to drive, it got me hooked.
How about a gofundme to give Ellie some extra bite? 😁
How does the suspension compare to the stock 2cv with regard to bumps and rough terrain?
Slight loss of ground clearance but otherwise not much different.
This 2CV may have more power but Ellie has more romance...
iv never said this im my life . i want one lol thanks ian x
In this episode, Ian is corrupted by power, as the saying goes.
Power...less is more...
Yeah right 😄
If absolute power corrupts absolutely, how much would one be corrupted by 47hp? ;-)
Carl Wyatt after plodding along with 20 odd HP I reckon 47 would be quite a revelation!
He really does Jim.
Very good Jim ! It'll be hard not to steal that one from you
Hubnut doing a very good job promoting the 2CV as a fun car to drive. I like simple and utilitarian small cars a lot, and I'm sure I'd enjoy driving a 2CV or Renault 4.
Couldn’t agree more
This is the most desirable car I have ever seen. I want one for myself.
Mr hub nut isnt replying to anyone on this by the looks of it!!!!
"Power: less is more" is probably true, but where the real driveability lies is in torque. A nice wodge of low-end torque will make a car nicer to drive even if the top-end power isn't increased much.
Torque rules, it is the reason diesels and turbo diesels can lug down at low revs and hang onto higher gears uphill.
As Ian found with Betty in NZ.
@@johnd8892 you think that he should ship 🛳 Betty over? Maybe somebody in New Zealand is mad to get hands on a rare Vauxhall (probably police spec) Vectra 2.2 LS. Couldn't be a police car with so few miles.
Flywheel lightness and gearing makes an even bigger difference... for instance a mk1 panda 1.1 up to 40mph feels like it wants to fly off, jittery at the throttle, rev happy, feels more "sporty" than my mk4 mondeo tdci
@@DavidColex been there with a 1990 Panda 1000 Sergio Tacchini. Little rocket 🚀. Before that a Panda 750 L 4 speed. Even the 750 was quick because of the gearing. 👍👍
This video cost me a large amount of money and transformed my Dyane. I am forever grateful!
Nobody else could’ve reviewed this car better!
I have a BMW R1100S in the shed. How about a 98BHP motor? :)
You'd have to upgrade the brakes and suspension, but what a great idea! A real "sleeper".
@@garymills6702 ...and a road legal cage
Where's the fun in that. The throttle goes both ways etc......
:)
Most importantly, a box to put your brain I. Before you drive.
"gorp ... fnark ... schmeggle"
@@garymills6702 Gearbox, brakes, suspension, even the clutch! all remain stock. Unlike in most cars they are tough (over-engineered) to begin with and the brakes are easily up to the power. 2CV's with disc brakes have very powerful brakes compared to their weight. Check out Pete Sparrow at Mallory in the test mule 1100cc car.
Do I detect some Ellie upgrades coming along Ian?
A great little car isn’t it.
What a superb 2CV. Now that is the 2cv I would have ALWAYS wanted!!
I think this is the engine Ellie deserves 👍
I agreee m8
I think so too! This engine sounds gooooood!!!!😁
What an utterly superb exemple of proper mod cons! Useful upgrades that don't ruin the originality of the car! Congrats, Pete!
Thats absolutely (Hub)nuts - a hot rod 2CV; brilliantly bonkers !!! 👍
I would hope that added capacity of power would make straining less and durability better.
Oh yessss! I think Mr Sparrow's phone will be ringing a lot in the near future. I wish I had the funds. How much is a kidney worth these days?
No idea but in Europe 70K or so.
@@Pfirtzer nah, 15 max…
What a car! If 2CV's hadn't become so expensive I would really want one and then have it modded like this.
I've seen people shoehorn a GS engine under the bonnet, back in the 1990s already, that makes a 2CV (or a Dyane) a truly terrifying experience...
if I was Ian I'd probably pay the guy who modded this to do the same to my own 2CV.
That's properly ripping through the gears. You can really tell by the rate of rev increase how much extra power that car has over a stock 2CV, especially in first! Always wants to wheelspin!
11:58 onwards. A bit of an unfortunate door window graffiti that the sun is making apparent there...
This is what I was going to post. Surprised more folk haven't spotted it :D
I think this has put some serious thoughts in Ian's head with regards improving Elly's drivability, will probably make better use of the 50cc extra. The front suspension is probably a worthwhile improvement, if only to save some kingpin wear
You should donate this CV2 a HubNut sticker as a thank you.
This is one of the coolest CV2s I have seen.
720cc producing 48 bhp is impressive and almost exactly the same cc to bhp ratio (15/1) as the 127 Sport you recently tested, 1049cc producing 70 bhp (14.9/1).
That's stock standard, out the wrapper, unmodified, straight from Turin.
Think you should start quoting cc to bhp figures in your reviews, it would make interesting reading don't you think?
Scariest passenger experience I've ever had was in a standard 2cv driven by an amateur rally driver.
Mine was with an amateur rally driver in a 400CV MODDED EVO VIII!!! Scary
Same here only he wasn't an amateur rally driver, just a nutter, went round a right hand bend a bit quick and l thought my elbow was going to scrape on the road!!!!
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How does it compare to a Burton conversion with a BMW flat two engine?
I am jealous.. I have been toying with the idea of the 652 cc engine for my 1990 series 2CV6 RHD Charleston which I have now covered 187,000 miles.
Love it. More power... over to the dark side of 2CVing.... excitement plus.
No longer will you have to slip stream trucks in a headwind.
No longer will you have to preplan overtaking manoevures way before they are undertaken.
No longer will you have gravel rash on your elbow when extremely cornering tilt angles are reached...
Great fun.
way back in the day, there was a SCCA class called "H modified" for cars of 750cc. (from wiki)-- "When Bill Devin sold his Ferrari 250 MM coupe to a buyer in Michigan in 1954 he took a 1953 Deutsch-Bonnet Le Mans barquette in trade as partial payment.[1] Devin also bought out the stock of a Panhard dealer in California, acquiring ten chassis with engines but no bodies.[3]:61
Devin designed his own ladder frame for a custom race car that used the engine and front-wheel drive transaxle from the Panhards. The wheelbase of this chassis was 2,134 millimetres (84 inches). Devin also took a mold of the body of the DB Le Mans, made some changes, and began to produce custom bodies for his new car.[4] This was his first experience working with fiberglass.
With help from Norton motorcycle racer Don Evans, Devin adapted the cylinder barrels, cylinder heads and pistons from the Norton Manx motorcycle to the two-cylinder boxer Panhard crankcase, roller-bearing crankshaft assembly and piston rods.[1]:62[5] He then fabricated a custom manifold that accepted two-barrel side-draft Weber carburetors. All of these alterations did not affect the displacement of the engine, leaving the 79.5mm bore and 75mm stroke unchanged for a total displacement of 745 cc.
What made the engine unique was the method Devin used to operate the valves. He abandoned the Panhard's pushrod OHV system and contacted the L. H. Gilmer company about using their toothed belts to drive the Manx cylinder heads' overhead cams.[5] Development of synchronous toothed-belts was begun by the Gilmer company around 1940.[6] Their primary application had been as a means of transmitting power in textile mills.[7] Devin's use of the technology to drive the valve train in the Devin-Panhard engine was the first time toothed belts were used in a timing belt application. " there ya go.
I think Brian May might have copyrighted the name "Red Special"!!
Also probably "Red Alert."
Interesting to watch an old video of Hubnut driving a 2CV with a flat twin BMW motorbike engine . It’s much faster but doesn’t sound as good.
Was that a bit of wheel-spin going on at 9:12 ? - Hooligan!
Wheel spin, add a limited slip diff😁😁
Wow! That looks so fun to drive! Although I can't help wondering if by the time you've changed the ignition system, added a wideband lambda sensor and spent time tuning the carbs to match the rest of the mechanical work, you may as well go full EFI...
I must admit that since I bought a BMW R850R, I just want that grey 2CV with the R1100 engine you drove back in 2015, even if purists might not be the biggest fans ;-)
I'm from Belgium and i like your video's a lot. You drove a lot of different cars and give always a good impression from the cars. I like this episode a lot. Nice car 👍👌
Just watched this and it looks like I've had the same thought as a few others here, Elly for the Sparrow treatment! :)
But can it still carry a basket of eggs across a field without breaking them?
I have my van to Pete for this 720 coversion. The
Pure music. Hats off to Pete Sparrow. Lovely review 👍
I'm normally against modded classic cars, but I can see the point of a lot of what's on this one. Made me think of your idea of buying something like a Morris Minor and making a few subtle mods to turn it into a daily driver for the 2020s. Although personally i think you should do it to an Austin A40 Farina, which I think could be made almost bang up to date with little effort.
The engine sounds like an old BMW aircooled motorbike engine. Sweet!
Fitting a BMW boxer engine to a 2CV transmission has been done a number of times and is one of the conversions that Sparrow Automotive offer. Imagine a 2CV with 125bhp...
@@ferrumignis to be reliable its better do not get over 100hp because need to use the original gearbox...and traction is limited from the size from the tires (original is 125 or 135 wide...).I have a improved 2cv engine who produce ~45hp and to have a correct traction i did modify the differencial gear for a torsen (Quaife), gearbox came from a Dyane, top speed 130km/h, limited from the gearbox ratio
I've not read all the comments but, assuming that this vacuum advance is the conventional system that advances the ignition by turning the sensor/contact plate to a more advanced position when the engine is developing an intake manifold vacuum, then this is not producing the extra power during the 0-60 run or when pulling up the incline. When the throttle is open, as it is during these manoeuvres, then engine is producing very little manifold vacuum. Vacuum is only produced when the throttle is almost closed, so when travelling at a steady speed on the flat with little load on the engine, or with a closed throttle when on the over-run. The extra power being produced by the 2CV as demonstrated during the video is therefore not attributable to the vacuum advance.
It's fully electronic using a vacuum pipe and sensor. It's tractability that's really boosted, but also response under light throttle as you say. It makes it pick up much more cleanly. As you say, doesn't affect full bore acceleration.
48bhp is powerful for a 2CV and that cone filter makes it sound great.. Pete Sparrow is a wizard at making them faster. I remember the B reg red 2CV Turbo as well.
That's a great upgrade and if it is getting 48bhp that's impressive without forced induction. I know what you mean about tractability, I drive one of the higher powered Polos and the ability to pull up hills mostly without changing down a lot of gears is nicer than the speed.
Many years ago, when I was a mechanic, I worked for a bloke who shared a workshop with another mechanic who loved his 2CV's and quite a few people bought theirs to him for work on. One of these was a turbo 2CV, belonging to a friend of his, and I'll never forget when he told me, that the turbo took 14 seconds off of the standard 0-60 time, and it still took 18 seconds to do it. The car had a black band on one of the front wings, a result of a rather nasty under bonnet fire a few years previous, which almost destroyed the car, but it was rebuilt, with the necessary modifications to reduce the risk of it happening again. A couple of years after leaving this job, I was watching "the cars the star" on tv, about the 2CV, and was surprised to see this very same car featured. I believe it's available on you tube.
On next weeks episode Ian drives a 2CV with a v-twin from a bike in it and decides 130hp still isn't enough...