This is You Tube at its best, its just dedicated no frills geek out for auto engineers, the honest opinion referenced to clearly considerable hands on knowledge is just gold. Thankyou Mr Monroe and Team this is my favourite channel .
or he realised that talking up the positives in youtube makes him liked and watched by the tesal community.... that is the feeling i have been getting here over 8+ videos...
When I put down the $2500 deposit back in October, I had no idea the Y was a much improved product over the already impressive 3! Thank you Sandy for proving to me, and mostly my wife, that it was the right financial move!!! Not everything is perfect in Tesland, and I know you will find "challenges" for Tesla to overcome, but it appears they are listening to you. GREAT SERIES!!!
I appreciate this so much. Y was the first car I’ve bought new. Really worked hard to afford it and I appreciate your efforts. I made a good decision so far!!
...so far? just think for a moment about your previous ICE-cars, then the so far dissipates! There is so much innovation in any TESLA, that comparing is hard ;-)
I took the cash I was gonna buy the buy the Y with and bought the stock again at $360. Glad I did it because I’ve already picked up $20k and my credit union dropped their rate to 0.9% and gave me a 6 month deferment. Enjoy yours I should be taking delivery in 2 weeks
Today I went to the supermarket since the lockdown started here in Spain. On my way there I kept telling myself not to forget to tip the cashier! I mean I normally leave some but this time and specially in these times I think they deserve a little extra!
And tip the baggers! My son is a "Tips Only" bagger and on several occasions during the rush to get groceries before isolating the casiers ran out of cash and could only credit and debit purchases. That meant there was no change which was usually how the customer got cash for the bagger. My son happily continued bagging despite not receiving any tips and told the customers that its more important that everyone gets through this with as few of problems as possible and to be safe! Oh, and loving the videos while cooped up, waiting this thing out!! Thanks and be safe!
Thank you for the top notch content Sandy! It’s also very thoughtful of you to spread tipping the cashier. I recommend adding ads to your channel as the views are going to skyrocket once the word gets out.
as an engineering student these videos are so much better than my lectures! Thank you Prof. Munro for the great content, watched all the videos on your channel so far
A lot of times "wire troughs" are set into the floorplan. I.e. take the flat metal and add a dip ("trough") into it to accommodate the wiring bundle. In this case, Tesla laid it out on the flat floor, artificially raised the floor via some seat risers and tucked the wires under a plastic retention piece. Most OEMs: on top of the floor, sitting over a clip in piece in a "trough" in the floorpan Tesla: Under a clipped piece on a flat floor Does that make sense?
Thank you for your efforts you make with your detailed explanations while also taking this handicap on your face. Your information has already fostered an addiction in me to see and hear more of your expert knowledge. Beside of this you enable every viewer to form a solid opinion about this car and a well-founded decision about an order/purchase. Thank you so much. Keep up your excellent work. Kind regards from Germany
Subscribed and my first "Bell Icon Notification" ever :-) Have been lucky enough to visit Munro & Associates @ Auburn Hills and meet the man himself 😃 Also super psyched waiting on the teardown of the "Penthouse" power electronics bay, HV battery, thermal system circuit w/heat pump and eDrive 😁
Hi Sandy, I've enjoyed your fascinating videos since the BMW i3 teardown. I love your spot on impression of Edwards Deming. Two things: 1. Although as you note, the episode number is in the description, it would be easier to watch them in sequence if you put the episode number in the title, as in "Model Y E12". 2. Teach us what the industry acronyms mean. I know what NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) is but not IT that's mentioned at the end of the video. Thanks for your hard work!
Thank you for the feedback! To clarify, Sandy mentioned the "IP" as one of the assemblies that seems to be common to the Model 3, and that stands for "Instrument Panel", which is the big shelf that sits beneath your windshield and that your steering wheel is mounted to. We have confirmed that the seats and console are common, and the IP appears to be, but we will need to finish physically removing it and checking part numbers in order to confirm. Thanks for tuning in!
Awesome videos! Suggestion: explain more. It's obvious you know what's going on but as a regular Joe, I don't have the knowledge you do. eg, the wire trough. It isn't obvious what the benefit of it is. You just pointed to what looked like a black plastic ribbed thing and said it was a good idea. Why? After a couple of replays of that section I noticed wires running underneath it. Is that the benefit? A cool little tunnel for wires? If so, why is that so good and how does it differ from most cars?
Thank you for the suggestion and for tuning in! Here's a little bit more context: Many, if not most, cars use wiring troughs to protect the wiring harness in areas where they need tight packaging and resistance to crush, such as at the door sill where people may step when entering or exiting the car. Many troughs that we've seen fully enclose the harness, featuring 3 sides and a lid, and they tend to feature solid walls of material throughout. 3 interesting things were observed on the Model Y troughs: 1) They were only 3-sided (bottom was left open), which saves weight and cost in unused material. 2) There were open sections throughout the trough walls (probably what you're calling ribs), which again, saves excess material, and thus weight and cost. 3) The walls themselves seemed to be of rather thin gauge compared to other, more robust trough designs we've seen, so again, thinner walls, less material, less weight, less cost. The over-arching takeaway is that it seemed to be a cost and weight efficient execution of a wiring trough.
@@MunroLive On the model Y the available payload is only 402 kg. The average weight of an adult is 80.5 kg, so the model Y can carry 5 adults with no luggage or 4 adults with some lugage. What is the limiting body element or component that makes the payload so low?
@@foersom5928 Correction 433 Kilograms or 954 lbs. = Car Manufacturers use a 150 lb. average weight per seat. 5 people would be 750 lb. leaving 204 lb. for Cargo or with 2 people at 150 lb. \passenger leaving 654 lbs. for Cargo. This was taken directly from the new Model Y Owners Manual page 188.
@@michaelholliday100 The owner manual is unclear. you are referring to "example load limit calculations", that is same text and values as in model 3 manual. The payload 402 kg you will find on page 189 table Weights. Model Y LR DP: GVWR 2405 kg - Curb Weight 2003 kg = 402 kg Counting passenger weight as 68 kg is unrealistic low. Even the 80.5 kg I wrote is an outdated value. US CDC 2016 data (nhsr122-508.pdf) says men 89.7 kg, women 77.3 kg, average 83.5 kg. So model Y can carry 4 adults with some luggage. @Munro Is there a max payload info printed on the "Tire and Loading Information" label? Interesting would be to determine what structural elements or components are the reason for this low available payload.
@@MunroLive Thanks for answering, a great honor from somebody with such great knowledge! Moving on the same topic, how much time do you expect Tesla to insert the "blade" battery style like BYD "blade battery" or "GM Ultimum"? I see some signs of the industry moving towards the elimination modules to a one solid piece. Even Tesla has expressed that they are willing to use LFP on the MIC Model 3. What are your thoughts on this Sandy? I hope that you and your family are good and safe, regards from Barcelona, Spain.
Also, in the meantime, if you want to see some footage from our Model 3 battery teardown, check this link out: ua-cam.com/video/64_iBKLSnGA/v-deo.html That was back in 2018, and we weren't recording in the same format we are now, but you might find it interesting. Thanks again for tuning in.
@@carholic-sz3qv they have some in Canada and Europe, the current standard in the us is ppg automotive paint. While it is a tough paint it awful for the environment.
Paint that's removed. As is, the paint on a car, even the paint in a junk yard peeling off and flaking (under the stipulation that it remains in the junk yard) doesn't do squat to the environment compared to what other products do. Rubber compounds from wheel abrasion on roads washed by rain has a higher coefficient of pollution. Ever walked the side of a traveled road, put your hand on one of the impact rails and swiped it behind? That black stuff on your hand? That's rubber from the wheels. Now go a meter, two further, and if you test for that stuff, you'll still find it in soil samples for dozens of meters, getting inside the ecosystem. Now think about that compound inside a city... So paint, not really that big of a deal so long you don't turn it to dust, which most of the times, is within controlled environments, and that's why we have rules for body shops to keep stuff in filters and so on. That they don't follow it...well, that's another story, and another gov branch (world wide) that's not doing their jobs.
It doesn’t seem like they remodeled the wiring in a way that reduces total miles as much, with separate modules or something you talked about a long time ago (before model Y was there)?
I think that was a patent filed maybe half a year to a year ago, at which point Model Y prototypes etc. would've been far along. I would guess that the modular electronics method will first see the light of day in the Cybertruck, if it is deemed worthwhile.
There were different designs for the Y. They went with the one that reuses as much as the model 3 as possible. This means not changing a ton of components to use new wiring. You can bet they are still working on improving the wiring harness, but it's a pretty huge deal that impacts nearly every piece of the car.
best to have the videos be 10 minutes. youtube algorithms will "rate" the video higher in searches. you can do slightly fewer videos, but bundle slightly more content to reach the 10 min. then higher amount of exposure for literally the same amount of content overall.
I'm finding these little clips to be fascinating. I'm always interested in how things work, and how much thought is being put into things. I may never be able to afford a Tesla, but that doesn't change my admiration for them (it is an incredibly difficult and protracted process - I believe - to start a mass-production car company from scratch), nor my desire to someday own one.
Thanks for putting this together Sandy! Did you notice a significant decrease in wiring in the model Y vs the 3. There were some rumors about wiring getting down to 100 meters in the Y vs 1.5km in the 3.
In short, no. The Model Y still features relatively conventional wire harness construction like the Model 3. We will elaborate more on this in upcoming videos, but suffice it to say, still much more than 100 m of wiring in the vehicle. Thanks for tuning in!
My little Fiat is 13 years old. The internal reinforcing steel is not painted and there is no corrosion. It's not even deburred. Sharp edges are no problem when fully covered up.
Its got to be incredibly satisfying when you provide expert improvement suggestions and people actually start using it, especially after what I expect is years of the ICE manufacturers taking the "if it isn't broke..." approach.
Keep the videos coming, Sir. Wondering if you would have posted these, if not for the CoVid event... Regardless, response from viewers shows how much we are eager to listen and learn from the experts. Hopefully, EV manufacturers can take some feedback and improve their cars even more...
Really liking this reassurance of what I'm seeing. Planning on taking delivery of a AWD model of this car. Only thing I wish they could fix is Paint and alignment. Seems like everything else is where it should be for the most part. The clips missing or issues, this to me is common, even my current Kia Niro has 3 hot spots inside where crap has pulled away, missing, or broke. A+ stuff so far, thank you again Sandy and your team!
More importantly, the actual engineering of the car seems top notch. With several improvements from the already very good model 3. These are things you don't see in reviews, but the model Y is definitely a solid improvement over the 3 as a engineered car
Hey Sandy, I have a question about the stanchions you're talking about at 5:23 Would it be relatively simple to remove/lower them but still be able to put the front seats back on properly? I'm wondering this as I'm quite tall at 205 cm (6'7") and my biggest issue in SUVs that I've test driven is that my eye level is the same as where the sun visors are fastened. This happens even for large SUVs like XC90 and X5, where I have put the seat in the lowest position. And I feel I have to duck and move my head to look around the rear view mirror quite often (this is not about head room). So it would feel a good solution to lower the seat just a couple centimeters, or would you advise against this as it'll weaken the structural support which might cause safety concerns? And thanks for doing this series!
I have no knowledge. But it should be possible as they seem to be bolted down. however, I would make sure to ask someone who knows what they doing before cutting and welding. (or maybe tesla could have a lower version of that metal-thingy as a part (maybe a model3s part would work?))
I don't get this. He's saying that "heavy cable run inside the pipe". How does that avoid the need for "push pins and snapfits"? The cable itself still needs to be pushed into the inverter. And how does wrapping in metal conduit make it smaller and lighter than plastic cabling?
@@js71378 The pipe itself is thin-walled and relatively light, especially as compared to troughs, grommets, and fasteners that would otherwise be needed to route it. A traditional HV cable is a wet noodle that needs to be fastened at multiple points along the way, like the Model 3 one shown on the floor, so by using a rigid tube with a pre-defined shape, no routing provisions beyond the tube itself are needed
@@js71378 Munro's response is correct, the tubing holds the cabling in place. One piece, one setting of materials, as opposed to setting say the candy caned (taped) cable and needing to mount clips along the body panels and internal structure to hold in place.
About the metal conduit, why not put both cables in the same tube? My 380 V tri-phase use a single tube. But I guess there is better protection in case of an accident?
There is a substantial amount of >PUR< foam NVH barrier, especially in the rear quarters. We'll be looking at this specifically in upcoming videos. Thanks for tuning in!
This car is very well engineered, it I a pleasure to se how well packed everything is under the hood (frunk). The raising of the floor is the only thing which I do not understand, but maybe they can afford to do so because they need a certain height for the back seats, where it is more of a problem to have enough space to seat an adult without too highly inclined legs.
Here in Texas we're having groceries delivered. We tip the driver (who also pulls our order). I had expected a very different wiring harness after all the talk about Tesla's wiring patent.
*Best car on the planet !* Keeps getting better and better with every software update that Tesla makes every other month. Great for the clean air of all of us ! #Tesla #car #electric
It would be very interesting to see Sandy tear down the W ID3, and the ID cross as well as porsche Taycan Turbo S. Even though they won’t be sold in America, is there anyway to get Sandy a VW iD3 for his UA-cam channel teardowns?
Svein Hanssen - no....the VW ID 4 is basically a compliance car for Europe, and won’t be sold in the USA because they think it’s too small for large body Americans. VW also wants to use all of their $7500 tax credit on their new bigger electric SUV call the ID Crozz
35 years of working in automotive harness and factories world wide Im Interested in the wire harness. I dont see the buss bar moulded Tesla Patent here. What I do see based on Teslas released data on total wire reduction Model 3 to Model Y is greater use of networks and some simplification of current wire harness design. I see process simplification in the metal tubes of the charge lines and good focus on tidy under body runs in convoluted tube as in previous clip, evolution rather than revolution. Im very interested in the RF antenna in the window lift or doors area. Im convinced these are for feed back line side of correct wiring harness fitment, on track in assembly testing, aids to robotic assembly ie the robot gets RF feedback task OK and in vehicle use diagnostics , may be robo taxi built in redundancy in case of accidental severing of wiring runs. Id like Munroe inc, thoughts on this.
See how the Model 3 parts he brings in for comparison? They've got ID tags attached. I'm pretty sure separate parts are getting warehoused. I think we've seen shelving units full of parts.
Bob is correct, once it comes apart, we do not reassemble the vehicle. That's not to say that we couldn't, but we believe there is more value in having the parts on hand to discuss and review outside of the vehicle. Harder to get those than another fully functioning vehicle! Thanks for tuning in!
I've really enjoyed Sandy's interviews on Autoline and elsewhere these past few years and it's great to see you have your own channel now. One thing I don't understand in this video is around the 5 minute mark when Sandy's talking about the cable trough, what exactly is better/different about that that vs a traditional OEM way?
Thank you for tuning in! Here's a little bit more context: Many, if not most, cars use wiring troughs to protect the wiring harness in areas where they need tight packaging and resistance to crush, such as at the door sill where people may step when entering or exiting the car. Many troughs that we've seen fully enclose the harness, featuring 3 sides and a lid, and they tend to feature solid walls of material throughout. 3 interesting things were observed on the Model Y troughs: 1) They were only 3-sided (bottom was left open), which saves weight and cost in unused material. 2) There were open sections throughout the trough walls (probably what you're calling ribs), which again, saves excess material, and thus weight and cost. 3) The walls themselves seemed to be of rather thin gauge compared to other, more robust trough designs we've seen, so again, thinner walls, less material, less weight, less cost. The over-arching takeaway is that it seemed to be a cost and weight efficient execution of a wiring trough.
Great video. Thank you for the tear down videos so we can see the insides of Teslas. Keep them coming. Question: Couldn’t Tesla squeeze in more batteries under the raised seats to get even more mileage? Or will that make the car too heavy and/or upset the weight distribution?
Jek yes. Sandy uses a lot of technical terms and doesn’t fully explain things. He needs to take more time and explain what each part is and what it does before talking about Tesla’s improvement of said part.
Another question if you don't mind. Why don't the wiring throughs extend further forward in the sills? The section where someone could step on the wiring doesn't seem protected.
We will be spending plenty of time reviewing the Body in White in upcoming videos. Lot's of content worth discussing in the rear of the vehicle. Thanks for tuning in!
Question about the protective wiring wrap under the car. . . Would that not trap moisture? I use it indoors for co puter cabling organization, but, near water? I’d worry.
This is You Tube at its best, its just dedicated no frills geek out for auto engineers, the honest opinion referenced to clearly considerable hands on knowledge is just gold. Thankyou Mr Monroe and Team this is my favourite channel .
Thank you for your kind words, Graham. Appreciate you tuning in!
5:19 camera guy whispering "stanchions!"😄
Love you guys, great stuff ♥️♥️
I think your warranty is void. Love the breakdown.
nah still good
Just wanted to let you know that this series is great and I'm so glad that you are doing the extra work to share with us.
10 miutes on line and a 1000 people seen it? 5 days on line and 20k subs? That is something of a "We want you here on YT Sandy!"
@Univac you jinxed it.
Damn right!
@@strykerace Must be a " Tesla shorty ". haha
i hope that in the end of the teardown he will unbox his "play button" :)
@@RandomTheories If that happens, we'll absolutely do that! Thanks for tuning in!
Sandy is finding so many things he likes in the Model Y that he’s almost a Tesla fanboy now. :)
Dan : A engineering CyberTruck teaser
I wouldn't go that far yet...but we have hope
or he realised that talking up the positives in youtube makes him liked and watched by the tesal community....
that is the feeling i have been getting here over 8+ videos...
I mean when someone takes your feedback, you tend to feel good. But then again I hope he just has a cough.
Yeah it does seem to be the Tesla admiring channel. Nothing is perfect and I hope he finds a place to nitpick.
When I put down the $2500 deposit back in October, I had no idea the Y was a much improved product over the already impressive 3! Thank you Sandy for proving to me, and mostly my wife, that it was the right financial move!!!
Not everything is perfect in Tesland, and I know you will find "challenges" for Tesla to overcome, but it appears they are listening to you. GREAT SERIES!!!
Sandy is the man! Just body slammed the B-pillar panel at 4:52
4:53 Never get in Munro's way!
Hulk Smash!
Sandy is the real Tesla analyst! Great stuff here, Thanks
I appreciate this so much. Y was the first car I’ve bought new. Really worked hard to afford it and I appreciate your efforts. I made a good decision so far!!
Congrats buddy!!! Stay safe!
...so far? just think for a moment about your previous ICE-cars, then the so far dissipates! There is so much innovation in any TESLA, that comparing is hard ;-)
I took the cash I was gonna buy the buy the Y with and bought the stock again at $360. Glad I did it because I’ve already picked up $20k and my credit union dropped their rate to 0.9% and gave me a 6 month deferment.
Enjoy yours I should be taking delivery in 2 weeks
It would be interesting to see how the current Model 3 looks like. If they backported the new ideas from the Y to the 3 and updated the design.
I love the concept of tipping cashiers! What a great service they have been providing. Thanks Sandy!
Today I went to the supermarket since the lockdown started here in Spain. On my way there I kept telling myself not to forget to tip the cashier! I mean I normally leave some but this time and specially in these times I think they deserve a little extra!
I tried last night. Unfortunately, Albertsons does not allow tipping employees.
Love this guy!
The more I watch these, the more I want to buy a Model Y. That would mean, we'd have to sell the S. I'm not sure I'm ready to let her go, yet.
Fascinating stuff from Sandy Munro. Also, "Tip The Cashier", perhaps should be the motto of the moment.
This is prime material! Please make more of these, would be very interesting to do a 2012 model S vs. a 2020 model S for example!
Love the conduit for the charge cables. This is shaping up to be a big step forward from Model 3!
And tip the baggers! My son is a "Tips Only" bagger and on several occasions during the rush to get groceries before isolating the casiers ran out of cash and could only credit and debit purchases. That meant there was no change which was usually how the customer got cash for the bagger. My son happily continued bagging despite not receiving any tips and told the customers that its more important that everyone gets through this with as few of problems as possible and to be safe!
Oh, and loving the videos while cooped up, waiting this thing out!! Thanks and be safe!
Where in the world are there still baggers? You cant put your groceries in the bag yourself?
@@niconico3907 very few places left I guess but they are still out there.
The more I see the more I want a model Y! Great work Sandy!
Really liking this, very informative, well done.
This is my new happy place
1:20 Loved that impression. Mr. Munro salute to you for being environment conscious.
Looking forward to the "hey boys and girls" every morning now. Keep up the great updates!
Thank you for the top notch content Sandy! It’s also very thoughtful of you to spread tipping the cashier. I recommend adding ads to your channel as the views are going to skyrocket once the word gets out.
Way to hit record and just go for it! Awesome.
I am, as always, in bewildered awe for the displayed level of expertise! On the side of Munro and the engineering he reviews.
Love these videos. And love that you end them with praises for the workforce and tipping the cashiers.
Hello, boys and girls.
I like that opening. Stick with it. It works.
as an engineering student these videos are so much better than my lectures! Thank you Prof. Munro for the great content, watched all the videos on your channel so far
4:56 What is that? Sandy seems excited about that, but he didn't say what is that.
Would love to know!
I was like: "Wow that looks great, what is it and what does it do?" :D
looks like a wiring duct/chaseway
A lot of times "wire troughs" are set into the floorplan. I.e. take the flat metal and add a dip ("trough") into it to accommodate the wiring bundle. In this case, Tesla laid it out on the flat floor, artificially raised the floor via some seat risers and tucked the wires under a plastic retention piece.
Most OEMs: on top of the floor, sitting over a clip in piece in a "trough" in the floorpan
Tesla: Under a clipped piece on a flat floor
Does that make sense?
@@TennisGvy Ohh, nice! It totally does. Thanks!
Thank you for posting the videos!
Great content! I like the small step by step snippets of the breakdown. Keep it up.
The more I watch the more pleased I am that I bought a model Y. Love those boots by the way.
keep them coming Sandy. this is THE show I'm looking forward to see the next chapter every time. BTW: Take care of that cough .
This channel is growing on me. Like... I love tech stuff.
And it will probable be a good way to sell the book that has a lot of stories about prices.
@@tarassu We're hoping so! Thanks for tuning in!
These shorter videos throughout the day are fantastic. Loving the content!
What a great analysis. Thanks, Sandy.
Thank you for your efforts you make with your detailed explanations while also taking this handicap on your face. Your information has already fostered an addiction in me to see and hear more of your expert knowledge. Beside of this you enable every viewer to form a solid opinion about this car and a well-founded decision about an order/purchase. Thank you so much. Keep up your excellent work. Kind regards from Germany
Subscribed and my first "Bell Icon Notification" ever :-)
Have been lucky enough to visit Munro & Associates @ Auburn Hills and meet the man himself 😃
Also super psyched waiting on the teardown of the "Penthouse" power electronics bay, HV battery, thermal system circuit w/heat pump and eDrive 😁
Thanks for tuning in, Abhid!
Please keep them coming! Totally loving the content. :)
Hi Sandy,
I've enjoyed your fascinating videos since the BMW i3 teardown.
I love your spot on impression of Edwards Deming.
Two things:
1. Although as you note, the episode number is in the description, it would be easier to watch them in sequence if you put the episode number in the title, as in "Model Y E12".
2. Teach us what the industry acronyms mean. I know what NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) is but not IT that's mentioned at the end of the video.
Thanks for your hard work!
Thank you for the feedback! To clarify, Sandy mentioned the "IP" as one of the assemblies that seems to be common to the Model 3, and that stands for "Instrument Panel", which is the big shelf that sits beneath your windshield and that your steering wheel is mounted to. We have confirmed that the seats and console are common, and the IP appears to be, but we will need to finish physically removing it and checking part numbers in order to confirm. Thanks for tuning in!
Thank You .. Munro!
Really enjoy tho see, what you show us!
Andy and his team are doing a great job, thanks.love your channel.
I love this. Thank you Sandy Munro.
Awesome videos! Suggestion: explain more. It's obvious you know what's going on but as a regular Joe, I don't have the knowledge you do. eg, the wire trough. It isn't obvious what the benefit of it is. You just pointed to what looked like a black plastic ribbed thing and said it was a good idea. Why? After a couple of replays of that section I noticed wires running underneath it. Is that the benefit? A cool little tunnel for wires? If so, why is that so good and how does it differ from most cars?
Thank you for the suggestion and for tuning in! Here's a little bit more context: Many, if not most, cars use wiring troughs to protect the wiring harness in areas where they need tight packaging and resistance to crush, such as at the door sill where people may step when entering or exiting the car. Many troughs that we've seen fully enclose the harness, featuring 3 sides and a lid, and they tend to feature solid walls of material throughout. 3 interesting things were observed on the Model Y troughs: 1) They were only 3-sided (bottom was left open), which saves weight and cost in unused material. 2) There were open sections throughout the trough walls (probably what you're calling ribs), which again, saves excess material, and thus weight and cost. 3) The walls themselves seemed to be of rather thin gauge compared to other, more robust trough designs we've seen, so again, thinner walls, less material, less weight, less cost. The over-arching takeaway is that it seemed to be a cost and weight efficient execution of a wiring trough.
@@MunroLive On the model Y the available payload is only 402 kg. The average weight of an adult is 80.5 kg, so the model Y can carry 5 adults with no luggage or 4 adults with some lugage. What is the limiting body element or component that makes the payload so low?
@@foersom5928 I don't think I will buy the Y if the payload is that limited. And then comes the hitch on top of that.
@@foersom5928 Correction 433 Kilograms or 954 lbs. = Car Manufacturers use a 150 lb. average weight per seat. 5 people would be 750 lb. leaving 204 lb. for Cargo or with 2 people at 150 lb. \passenger leaving 654 lbs. for Cargo. This was taken directly from the new Model Y Owners Manual page 188.
@@michaelholliday100 The owner manual is unclear. you are referring to "example load limit calculations", that is same text and values as in model 3 manual.
The payload 402 kg you will find on page 189 table Weights.
Model Y LR DP: GVWR 2405 kg - Curb Weight 2003 kg = 402 kg
Counting passenger weight as 68 kg is unrealistic low. Even the 80.5 kg I wrote is an outdated value. US CDC 2016 data (nhsr122-508.pdf) says men 89.7 kg, women 77.3 kg, average 83.5 kg.
So model Y can carry 4 adults with some luggage.
@Munro
Is there a max payload info printed on the "Tire and Loading Information" label?
Interesting would be to determine what structural elements or components are the reason for this low available payload.
Bless you Sandy!
You do great work
Thank you very very much Sandy and team... Great info for us engineer fans of Tesla
I'm the only one here salivating for the battery dismantleling?
Anticipation makes the heart grow fonder! Sincerely though, it will certainly happen, just takes some time. Thanks for watching!
@@MunroLive Thanks for answering, a great honor from somebody with such great knowledge!
Moving on the same topic, how much time do you expect Tesla to insert the "blade" battery style like BYD "blade battery" or "GM Ultimum"?
I see some signs of the industry moving towards the elimination modules to a one solid piece.
Even Tesla has expressed that they are willing to use LFP on the MIC Model 3.
What are your thoughts on this Sandy?
I hope that you and your family are good and safe, regards from Barcelona, Spain.
Also, in the meantime, if you want to see some footage from our Model 3 battery teardown, check this link out: ua-cam.com/video/64_iBKLSnGA/v-deo.html That was back in 2018, and we weren't recording in the same format we are now, but you might find it interesting. Thanks again for tuning in.
dismantling
@@UncleFjester I had precisely that doubt, thanks for answering but English is not my mother tongue.
Regards.
Paint is definitely horrible for the environment;:
: enter CYBERTRUCK 😎
there are water based recyclable paint these days, no need to talk shit, just ask BAS-F
also people are going to wrap those trucks with plastic vinyls
@@carholic-sz3qv not for cars bro there is NOOOOOO water based paint going on a car.
@@carholic-sz3qv they have some in Canada and Europe, the current standard in the us is ppg automotive paint. While it is a tough paint it awful for the environment.
Paint that's removed. As is, the paint on a car, even the paint in a junk yard peeling off and flaking (under the stipulation that it remains in the junk yard) doesn't do squat to the environment compared to what other products do. Rubber compounds from wheel abrasion on roads washed by rain has a higher coefficient of pollution.
Ever walked the side of a traveled road, put your hand on one of the impact rails and swiped it behind? That black stuff on your hand? That's rubber from the wheels. Now go a meter, two further, and if you test for that stuff, you'll still find it in soil samples for dozens of meters, getting inside the ecosystem.
Now think about that compound inside a city...
So paint, not really that big of a deal so long you don't turn it to dust, which most of the times, is within controlled environments, and that's why we have rules for body shops to keep stuff in filters and so on. That they don't follow it...well, that's another story, and another gov branch (world wide) that's not doing their jobs.
He is passionate about cars and teaching. I like people that keep on working when they are older.
That comment on the paint was great. Thanks for sharing that insight!
Hope your well Sandy. Take care and thanks. Your insights are very helpful to all (especially Tesla).
It doesn’t seem like they remodeled the wiring in a way that reduces total miles as much, with separate modules or something you talked about a long time ago (before model Y was there)?
I think that was a patent filed maybe half a year to a year ago, at which point Model Y prototypes etc. would've been far along. I would guess that the modular electronics method will first see the light of day in the Cybertruck, if it is deemed worthwhile.
There were different designs for the Y. They went with the one that reuses as much as the model 3 as possible. This means not changing a ton of components to use new wiring. You can bet they are still working on improving the wiring harness, but it's a pretty huge deal that impacts nearly every piece of the car.
It's for the next car.
They wanted to lunch the Y sooner.
Stefan Brand they have been doing that reduction in wiring for decades in aerospace to reduce weight - mux-bus lines.
@@AapoAlas, makes sense.
You are awesome. I love your analysis and straight talk. I just hope your are not too enamoured to miss issues.
best to have the videos be 10 minutes. youtube algorithms will "rate" the video higher in searches. you can do slightly fewer videos, but bundle slightly more content to reach the 10 min. then higher amount of exposure for literally the same amount of content overall.
Roger does a great job explaining the pros and cons.
Thank you again for sharing with us. Super interesting stuff.
Guys you are amazing. Thanks Munro!!!
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I'm finding these little clips to be fascinating. I'm always interested in how things work, and how much thought is being put into things. I may never be able to afford a Tesla, but that doesn't change my admiration for them (it is an incredibly difficult and protracted process - I believe - to start a mass-production car company from scratch), nor my desire to someday own one.
Thanks for putting this together Sandy! Did you notice a significant decrease in wiring in the model Y vs the 3. There were some rumors about wiring getting down to 100 meters in the Y vs 1.5km in the 3.
In short, no. The Model Y still features relatively conventional wire harness construction like the Model 3. We will elaborate more on this in upcoming videos, but suffice it to say, still much more than 100 m of wiring in the vehicle. Thanks for tuning in!
Thank you! More videos in one day?? SURE!
My little Fiat is 13 years old. The internal reinforcing steel is not painted and there is no corrosion. It's not even deburred. Sharp edges are no problem when fully covered up.
Yes, but it's still a 'Fiat :)
Can't wait for the improvements to make it to the 3 also.
Might want to look at the Shanghai Model 3.
I think the 3 will slowly disappear.
Love the break down.
Sandy is really starting to get excited about this Y , awesome!
Its got to be incredibly satisfying when you provide expert improvement suggestions and people actually start using it, especially after what I expect is years of the ICE manufacturers taking the "if it isn't broke..." approach.
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It's exciting when you see innovation and improvement even if someone else had the idea.
At least for me it is....
I am so exited to see what's inside the battery pack!
Going to be the same as the model 3 for sure.
Willy Wonka's Chocolate Shop on steroids !
I can tell you there are batteries inside the battery pack :-)
Fascinating! I'm lovin' these videos!
Keep the videos coming, Sir.
Wondering if you would have posted these, if not for the CoVid event...
Regardless, response from viewers shows how much we are eager to listen and learn from the experts.
Hopefully, EV manufacturers can take some feedback and improve their cars even more...
Thanks for the tear down info!
Great job Sandy!!!
Really liking this reassurance of what I'm seeing. Planning on taking delivery of a AWD model of this car. Only thing I wish they could fix is Paint and alignment. Seems like everything else is where it should be for the most part. The clips missing or issues, this to me is common, even my current Kia Niro has 3 hot spots inside where crap has pulled away, missing, or broke. A+ stuff so far, thank you again Sandy and your team!
I'm sure most cars have panel gaps and minor paint defects. They just aren't mentioned because people don't care enough to notice.
More importantly, the actual engineering of the car seems top notch. With several improvements from the already very good model 3.
These are things you don't see in reviews, but the model Y is definitely a solid improvement over the 3 as a engineered car
Hey Sandy, I have a question about the stanchions you're talking about at 5:23
Would it be relatively simple to remove/lower them but still be able to put the front seats back on properly?
I'm wondering this as I'm quite tall at 205 cm (6'7") and my biggest issue in SUVs that I've test driven is that my eye level is the same as where the sun visors are fastened. This happens even for large SUVs like XC90 and X5, where I have put the seat in the lowest position. And I feel I have to duck and move my head to look around the rear view mirror quite often (this is not about head room). So it would feel a good solution to lower the seat just a couple centimeters, or would you advise against this as it'll weaken the structural support which might cause safety concerns?
And thanks for doing this series!
I have no knowledge. But it should be possible as they seem to be bolted down. however, I would make sure to ask someone who knows what they doing before cutting and welding. (or maybe tesla could have a lower version of that metal-thingy as a part (maybe a model3s part would work?))
Rigid conduit for high power cable is genius, rigidity is a robots friend..
also if it catches fire for some reason, it won't lit up the interior.
I don't get this. He's saying that "heavy cable run inside the pipe". How does that avoid the need for "push pins and snapfits"? The cable itself still needs to be pushed into the inverter. And how does wrapping in metal conduit make it smaller and lighter than plastic cabling?
@@js71378 The pipe itself is thin-walled and relatively light, especially as compared to troughs, grommets, and fasteners that would otherwise be needed to route it. A traditional HV cable is a wet noodle that needs to be fastened at multiple points along the way, like the Model 3 one shown on the floor, so by using a rigid tube with a pre-defined shape, no routing provisions beyond the tube itself are needed
@@js71378 Munro's response is correct, the tubing holds the cabling in place. One piece, one setting of materials, as opposed to setting say the candy caned (taped) cable and needing to mount clips along the body panels and internal structure to hold in place.
About the metal conduit, why not put both cables in the same tube? My 380 V tri-phase use a single tube.
But I guess there is better protection in case of an accident?
All the additional foam vs Model 3 correlates to early reviews stating that it is quieter despite having the open trunk area!
There is a substantial amount of >PUR< foam NVH barrier, especially in the rear quarters. We'll be looking at this specifically in upcoming videos. Thanks for tuning in!
The under seat storage space must be amazing in the Model Y
~6"
This car is very well engineered, it I a pleasure to se how well packed everything is under the hood (frunk). The raising of the floor is the only thing which I do not understand, but maybe they can afford to do so because they need a certain height for the back seats, where it is more of a problem to have enough space to seat an adult without too highly inclined legs.
Here in Texas we're having groceries delivered. We tip the driver (who also pulls our order).
I had expected a very different wiring harness after all the talk about Tesla's wiring patent.
Great video! Thanks Sandy 😊
*Best car on the planet !* Keeps getting better and better with every software update that Tesla makes every other month.
Great for the clean air of all of us !
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I hear the words "great idea" a lot. 🙂
It would be very interesting to see Sandy tear down the W ID3, and the ID cross as well as porsche Taycan Turbo S.
Even though they won’t be sold in America, is there anyway to get Sandy a VW iD3 for his UA-cam channel teardowns?
We have certainly torn down imported cars from other markets before, so that would be a definite possibility.
The ID.3 will not be sold in USA?
Svein Hanssen - no....the VW ID 4 is basically a compliance car for Europe, and won’t be sold in the USA because they think it’s too small for large body Americans.
VW also wants to use all of their $7500 tax credit on their new bigger electric SUV call the ID Crozz
Fantastic content! Does a new model 3 have the same improvements as the model Y? Or are the manufacturing improvements only for the model Y?
35 years of working in automotive harness and factories world wide Im Interested in the wire harness. I dont see the buss bar moulded Tesla Patent here. What I do see based on Teslas released data on total wire reduction Model 3 to Model Y is greater use of networks and some simplification of current wire harness design. I see process simplification in the metal tubes of the charge lines and good focus on tidy under body runs in convoluted tube as in previous clip, evolution rather than revolution. Im very interested in the RF antenna in the window lift or doors area. Im convinced these are for feed back line side of correct wiring harness fitment, on track in assembly testing, aids to robotic assembly ie the robot gets RF feedback task OK and in vehicle use diagnostics , may be robo taxi built in redundancy in case of accidental severing of wiring runs. Id like Munroe inc, thoughts on this.
Sandy, do you put the cars back together after you deconstruct them? Or do you continue to analyze/review parts you find during teardown?
See how the Model 3 parts he brings in for comparison? They've got ID tags attached.
I'm pretty sure separate parts are getting warehoused. I think we've seen shelving units full of parts.
@@bobwallace9753 gotcha. That's what I thought, but I had this on "in the background" so I really couldn't see too well.
Bob is correct, once it comes apart, we do not reassemble the vehicle. That's not to say that we couldn't, but we believe there is more value in having the parts on hand to discuss and review outside of the vehicle. Harder to get those than another fully functioning vehicle! Thanks for tuning in!
@@MunroLive thanks! I had assumed so, glad to get the straight answer.
Pipes.... the technical term for it is conduit. Other than my OCD kicking in with the pipes it was a great video thanks!
Is the charging cable liquid cooled?
We can confirm that it is not liquid cooled. Thanks for tuning in!
Those pipes on the high voltage cables also enable robot assembly
Elon+Tesla Team have 'smashed' this out of the park____Legacy Car makers can learn alot from this. Thanks Sandy. Can't wait for more good 'stuff'
Liked this video before video starts!
I've really enjoyed Sandy's interviews on Autoline and elsewhere these past few years and it's great to see you have your own channel now. One thing I don't understand in this video is around the 5 minute mark when Sandy's talking about the cable trough, what exactly is better/different about that that vs a traditional OEM way?
Thank you for tuning in! Here's a little bit more context: Many, if not most, cars use wiring troughs to protect the wiring harness in areas where they need tight packaging and resistance to crush, such as at the door sill where people may step when entering or exiting the car. Many troughs that we've seen fully enclose the harness, featuring 3 sides and a lid, and they tend to feature solid walls of material throughout. 3 interesting things were observed on the Model Y troughs: 1) They were only 3-sided (bottom was left open), which saves weight and cost in unused material. 2) There were open sections throughout the trough walls (probably what you're calling ribs), which again, saves excess material, and thus weight and cost. 3) The walls themselves seemed to be of rather thin gauge compared to other, more robust trough designs we've seen, so again, thinner walls, less material, less weight, less cost. The over-arching takeaway is that it seemed to be a cost and weight efficient execution of a wiring trough.
@@MunroLive Thanks for the reply, my curiosity is satisfied :D
Great video. Thank you for the tear down videos so we can see the insides of Teslas. Keep them coming. Question: Couldn’t Tesla squeeze in more batteries under the raised seats to get even more mileage? Or will that make the car too heavy and/or upset the weight distribution?
4:58 Okay Sandy, this is a good idea(plastic tray). So what exactly that is? I think you forgot to tell us what it is.
Jek yes. Sandy uses a lot of technical terms and doesn’t fully explain things. He needs to take more time and explain what each part is and what it does before talking about Tesla’s improvement of said part.
@@George-Aguilar Yeah. Specially it's impromptu. It's just I'm so curious what are those plastic tray that he said it's a really good idea. :)
What is it? He already said. Answer: a good idea :)
It looks like it's a protective tray for the bundle of wires
@@sigmaOmega87 That's what it looked like to me. With cutouts to reduce weight.
Another question if you don't mind. Why don't the wiring throughs extend further forward in the sills? The section where someone could step on the wiring doesn't seem protected.
As a Volvo fan, can you please tell us more about the body structure. Thank you
We will be spending plenty of time reviewing the Body in White in upcoming videos. Lot's of content worth discussing in the rear of the vehicle. Thanks for tuning in!
Very interesting breakdown
THESE VIDEOS ARE AMAZING! THANK YOU! But how will you tear down a cybertruck ;)
Question about the protective wiring wrap under the car. . . Would that not trap moisture? I use it indoors for co puter cabling organization, but, near water? I’d worry.
1:22 that's interesting about the paint. Are they doing anything else to reduce corrosion?
I hope they don't stop at the big components. I want to see them take everything apart.