First Patriot Launcher (Likely Two) Destroyed By Russia -- In Donetsk
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- Опубліковано 8 бер 2024
- At least one, likely two Patriot launchers have been destroyed by a missile strike from Russia in Donetsk. Initially reported as S-300, but identified as being Patriot mounted on a MAN KAT-1 Truck.
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losing the operators might be bigger loss than losing hardware
Always. launchers can be replaced, Heroes and Heroines cannot.
What about coke?
Don't be "heroic". It's useless. It takes more time to build a Patriot system than form a (young) team to use it. Brain is working faster than muscle...
@@Peter_S_ yeah heroin is expensive
@@brinkee7674 orcs prefer Krokodil.
60km from the frontline...Russia probably specifically looking for something in this area
no...top notch shit that the ukrainians have like the patriot and HIMARS are and should be high value targets for russia, they were likely trying to locate these batteries, its just ukraine seemed too slow to move the launcher this time
after loosing AL THOSE PLANES , one would think so ;o)
They made a good guess on the location... where they would put a Patriot. And sent spotter drones there.
The orcs lost so many expensive aircraft, so they had to come up with something, like having one of their better PsyOps operators spread this disinformation.
They are SPECIFICALLY hunting himars and patriots..
Abrams next priority..
They desperately need that PR.
Now since hold outs are saying "us technology is nothing, we destroy everything they have, or tech is better"
This is the consequence of forward deploying patriots, but the trade-off has been a huge net win for Ukraine so far.
$1 to 2.5 billion for a patriot battery isn't it? This isn't the whole battery though, yet it's a big loss. Plus, forget the cost, think of the Russian planes that luancher isn't going to take out now. Not good.
Germany and the Dutch have sent Patriots too. The USA would send more if the Republicans weren't on Putin's side.
Coping with a loss😂🤡
Excuses just like Suckimimus.
@@orlandor7825 Two A-50 and over a dozen Su-34 and Su-35. Who needs to cope?
@@orlandor7825 How goes the three day op on year three? 🤣
I think its a bit unfair to call them careless. This is war. Ukraine need to take a level of risk to have taken out all the Russian aircraft they have to protect their troops and assets on the front lines. I bet this system was on the move, or maybe stopped to set up an ambush point.
I guess that losing one isn't a huge deal. But if this keeps happening, that would be very bad news for Ukraine.
No I have absolutely seen a HUGE amount of examples of the Ukrainians being careless or just downright STUPID honestly. Ive seen it hundreds of times, lets not forget these guys arent exactly russians and they have fought bravely but a lot of them are complete and total IDIOTS especially their officers. Not to mention now that theyve taken so many casualties they cant afford to pick and chose the best soldiers anymore. These guys arent as dumb as russians they have a lot more on the line but they are no NATO member
"ambush" succeeded.
No. Ukraine has been very careless in the use of our equipment so far. Losing vehicles out of pure stupidity, is the norm.
They are overconfident. Untrained. And generally lackadaisical with equipment.
@@donwyoming1936 - you've just described Russia.
Idiotic transporting two or more Patriot launchers together like this.
That's how they work. A patriot battery consists of multiple launchers.
You can argue mistakes were made but that wasn't one of them.
@@m.streicher8286You misunderstood me. I’m a NASAMS operator and I know the concept. But one should never transport them clogged together in a hot zone.
WHAT FOR DO YOU NEED AMERICAN JUNK?
LOOK AT IT THIS WAY: Who wants to be helping to a country(Ukraine) which kept killing civilians(russian language speakers) since 2014 ? It would be the same if someone would start helping to a man who attacked another man....( Russia is helping to civilians in Donbas since those civilians were killed by thousands since 2014) What is the point here?
Indeed. This sort of lack of training on such a critical system is inexcusable.
@@LunaticTheCat It was in a transport mode as seen with other vehicles. Probably didnt even expect to be hit 60km behind front lines. If it wasnt in transport mode patriot would shoot down the iskander easily.
It was reported that the roaming Partriot launchers were the one donated from Germany.
These are truck-mounted on an MAN chassis (not trailer mounted like the US-version) and more mobile.
Truck mounted systems can typically move with less delay but are more vulnerable to mechanical problems with the vehicle and are easier to spot from the air.
@@stupidburp Sure, truck mounted means you can't just swap a tractor unit, if it sustains damage of some sorts - but being spotted easier from air? Why would that be the case?
The single vehicle approach is even more compact than a tractor-trailer, no?
Patriot is obviously a high-value target, this should be a lesson never to bunch up multiple components closer than necessary.
Looked totally lined up. Unbelievable if true.
@@TrotterSoccer How should they drive them ,try the woods
I don't know. Maybe not all at once? Maybe not close together? Maybe covered up if possible? Maybe with protection? Not an expert.@@dzonikg
There are videos on You Tube from WWII training that tell such units how to move, 1. 200 FEET BETWEEN UNITS 2. NEVER STOP ON ROAD FIND A TREE OR BUILDING ... ON YOU TUBE, but Ukraine repeatedly bunches up gets wiped out. Officers don't need to know this, drivers and equip commanders should be doing it automatically and if their officer says no, accidentally doing it anyway. Every office LT and above in Ukraine needs a go pro, an encrypted channel to a minder in US military to review the dumb a.... mistakes they make 10 x an hour and give them an daily after action STOP IT report.
If Ukraine had not been taking risks since February 2022, it would be part of Russia.
And those trained crews too.
The Patriot is worth more than the crew , not only does it cost over 2 billion dollars but also not too many of them were made
@@760HorsePoweris ~500 operating launchers not many? The whole unit costs 1.1b, not 2. You don’t know what you are talking about.
@@760HorsePower First of all, it's likely only launchers, which are like around 10mil for the German self-propelled ones, from what I've heard.
The command unit is the expensive one, and thats like 400mil, again from what I've see quoted. But, even then, those prices are often very inflated.
Also, in the IR images, I can't see the silhouette of launchers (they stick up quite a bit on the 8x8 German MAN trucks) or the generator boxes behind the cab.
Another thing is, that the MAN HX (used for IRIS-T SLM) is very similar to KAT1 (Patriot), and Germany has also sent a bunch of 8x8 MAN HX vehicles for transporting stuff, so perhaps and hopefully the 8x8s were just transport trucks.
If it is Patriot, hopefully just empty launchers, because they can be replaced relatively easily and not going break the bank replacing them. Also, if the command unit wasn't there, hopefully those soldiers weren't there, too.
What about them, they don't drowe with launchers.
the launcher is actually the least important part
It costs 1.1 billion
There are a few vehicles destroyed there, hopefully they are just launchers, and not radar/control vehicles. The state of those wrecks does suggest they were launchers, but thats a lot of missiles to loose as well :(
@@soon9910no it dosnt
Where did you get that figure from?
@@soon9910not the launcher part the radar is what cost so much I didn’t see it in the video
@@soon9910 No. It's not.
The $1.1 billion price is for full battery.
According to a December 16, 2022, Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) article, “Patriot to Ukraine: What Does it Mean?,” a newly produced PATRIOT battery costs about $1.1 billion, including about $400 million for the system and about $690 million for the missiles.Jan 18, 2023
The "launcher station" (trucks) are the lowest cost wise of the system, but still very important part.
Thank you very much for sharing this fundraiser with us.
Good job reporting both - ups and downs of Ukrainian struggle. Keeps a clearer picture of a conflict. Keep it up
Problem is in the U.S. congress there's an entire party aiding and abetting RU against our own country as well as Ukraine.
Problem is the U.S. helps SS units lovers in Ukraine.
@@secundus6457The world saw very clearly who was really the Red SS...
@@BledaTurk world?yes when you claped the nazi SS oficcer in canadian parlament and elensky regime aplauded the man who killed with his own hands
@@orionlt1028 Silly nonsense. An obvious mistake so dumb the house leader has to step down. Fascism is alive and well in Russia and we see it every day. With your own words you tell everyone you are on the side of a murdering dictator.
@@orionlt1028 It's Zelensky. You triggered by the letter Z, my man? That's your letter. Stop being a snowflake and type that Z.
It's just a launch truck... they have loads of these.. the missiles cost more than the vehicle
well the launch truck was loaded with missiles?
They don't have "loads" of Patriots...🤡
@@thiefsleef6752 dont explain them nafo bots are too stupid to understand
@orionlt1028 still far less than the over 1 billion in destroyed ruzzian aircraft last month 😂
$10 million for the launcher, $4 mill each rocket, $26 million is far less than what ruzzia has paid so far
@@orionlt1028Oh look, a freedom and democracy hating orc lover speaks
Honest news is sometimes bad for listeners but nothing what we can do about the past.
Ukraine must pay attention about the traitors around them ... and find out who they are now.
Better you send another system than waiting for USA to send you replacement
Ukraine has already 100 000 people in prison
@@dzonikg
lol
The US has 1.2 million in prison.
In 2023 Russia had over 400 000 in prison, after sending tens of thousands to the front.
100 000 is nothing.
@73andy73 The United States has a population of more than 300 million, Russia has 100 million, and Ukraine has some 36 million
@@TikhonT. Yes. And? I invite you to do the math on your own numbers to scale to proportion.
Then tell us what is so bad about the 100 000 number.
@@dzonikgNobody cares, vatnik. Every country has people in prison. Very poor trolling, 1/10.
that was a helluvan explosion...fuel and exploded warheads every where.
That sucks
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And you swallow
Never howl against Russia, you bastards
yes it's a huge loss, I hope the Ukrainian army knows what it is doing and that it was worse it to lose a Patriot system against these highly valubale long range recon russian planes (and a few jets), even if it's "just the launcher of the Patriot" as some here say it does not matter, Patriot are the most valuable piece of equipment when it comes to protect Ukraine, have one less in operation is a huge loss that could have major impact. So I hope Ukrainian took this choice because they have other things in mind and could lose one of these but I honestly highly doubt it.
I'ts strange it's such a short cut. Is there anymore from the start of the video online anywhere?
It's fake. Just to try to demoralize the West.
The door you're showing at 1:28 has a pointed tip at the base IOW a trapezoid with 4 angles. The door of the Patriot systems I've seen has a flattened end well away from the termination of the bottom line and to make an irregular pentagon. I don't think it is the same as the Patriot. The explosion would have to make a perfectly straight line for that bottom angle. The MIM 104 has a storage area separate from the cab which is missing. The MAN KAT-1 has a flat bottom to the door.
Yeah cause surely half a ton of TNT doesn't deform metal
I think the German donated Patriot actually uses MAN KAT-1 instead of the Oshkosh sadly. Everything is mounted on trailers so makes sense that the Germans would use a truck they have maintenance set up for already.
I looked through a several hundred images and looked at Israeli, German, French, Russian and Ukrainian trucks, with and without Patriots, and couldn't find the same door. IDK. I'm still doubting it until I see more info. @@cigarsid7445
Shit happens
just wondering where to send the cleaners bill, if the coffee I spit out leaves a stain
I@@sonnybradford8435It's war. Shit gets blown up
U wouldn't say that if they where russian
@@redbull1826 Losing 2 Patriot Launchers (not even the whole system) is something different than having a shitton of equipment fail, get destroyed or captured.
@@redbull1826 Shit happens, like Russia losing their ships. There you go
Интересно, из какой страны были операторы этой системы... ))
Скоро где нибудь в Северной каролине наебнется автобус с десятью офицерами
@@zz8286 ну может и афроамериканское))
Американцы, среди них парочка чёртовых нигга и наверняка несколько ЛГБТ
Тоже интересно! Если наёмники из США и стран НАТО,то их не жалко! Это их выбор! Пусть эти идиоты не суют свой нос!
@@damocles9676 да ты найди ещё наемника, который умеет "патриотом" пользоваться. Так что я почти уверен, что это кадровые вояки НАТО, возможно даже амеры. И никакие они не добровольцы. Отправлены в приказном порядке, а официально ушли в отпуск. Или ещё что.
First question is why are they just showing clean pictures of the aftermath and not befor the strike or do they exist but not shown here? They obviusly have it since its the same drone doing the observation. Because the only thing these pictures confirm is that some trucks have been destroyed, atleast on MAN 15-Ton 8x8 and a HEMTT
It was hit during night time, the after footage is probably taken in the morning.
Well,,,,,,there are clear videos of the Iskander destoying the 2 patriots.....just search for them
Because it's fake. Just a ru PsyOps mission.
The title sounds like it's confirmed news, that it is indeed a patriot launcher, while in reality it's just a speculation. It might very well be a patriot launcher, but is rather have a title like this for something that's actually confirmed. I heard about this incident earlier today and when I saw the title, I was sure there was new information on the topic and there wasn't .
Food for thoughts.
Thanks for your work.
Agreed. Too import to make this call on such limited information.
I also agree, too inconclusive to call it.
How to distinguish doors from MAN, Kamaz, or Iveco, which all have the same shape (especially when after being detonated)? All three brands are used for launchers and/or SAM supply trucks.
E.g. have a look at the picture (5, damaged and captured) under Tornado-U at oryx' russian losses.
I'm not claiming it's this type of truck, but the door (shape of the cabin where the door would be) fits. So the door alone is inconclusive.
Such Kamaz cabins are e.g. regularly used for transloaders. And for FrankenSAMs, a transloader on a MAN or Iveco would be the easiest part. The rather short length of the wreck would generally fit a supply truck.
Every truck with such a door and the approximate length, loaded with any kind of ammo which makes a big boom when being hit would fit the overall picture.
I'm now leaning towards no confirmed Patriot loss, unless Ukraine confirms it, or russia shows a video of a patriot being blown up. It's very convenient to have a drone close enough after the explosion, but not before.
Which doesn't mean it couldn't be a Patriot launcher has been lost, the many russian aircraft losses make it quite likely that some Patriot launchers are forward deployed and would then be high-value targets.
From a door alone I could claim that our local scrapyard has a destroyed Patriot launcher 😉
I guess you're equally skeptical about the 10+ Ukrainian claims of Su-34/35 hits that have no evidence attached, right?
It is confirmed, even by pro-ukrainian sources.
Cope harder 😀
The kremlin also thanks their PsyOps operator for his 'work'.
its actually not a big deal. the real value is in the radar/command truck wich was not there that has the real goodies inside. the launcher trucks just carry the missles in boxes wich are replaced entirely. losing the truck is just "annoying" to replace as a replacement needs to be driven from western europe and the loss of 4 missiles is "meh" at worst. they can mount missles on any truck with a large bed. i would ask the bigger question: how did russia know where to find a MOVING patriot launcher 60km behind the front line in basically bumfuck nowhere city?
Radar cant destroyed a thing without launcher. Make sense you have missiles and radar but without launcher
@@archiearevalo5648 the truck carrying the missile pods is just that, a truck. the missile pods link directly to the command unit. you can use any truck as long as it can point the missiles in roughly the right direction as turning in air reduces range. ukraine lost 4 patroit missile pods and a truck (and a few men), not an actual patriot system.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld so how can they use it without other parts that required to fully use patriot
@@archiearevalo5648 a single control unit/radar can control serveral launchers. the command box is the real important thing. the patriot system is designed to deal with losing launchers.
@@archiearevalo5648 : That Patriot system had several other launchers, and those launchers will still be fine.
they really need tech to take out those spotter drones fast.
Indeed. The russians now has much, much more of them, and they have become much, much, better at using then effectively.
Using guns is for most of these drones due to their altitude is unrealistic. That leaves only missiles and ew, latter of which they are extremely short on
Тебе просто нужен мозг.
The problem will be replacing the now very experienced crews, if they have been lost. New batteries can be flown n over night, but the Ukrainian crews must be the most experienced on the planet. If they have suffered, in future they should travel separately from their weapons.
Flown from where? There are not too many launchers out there and the orange country abandoned Ukraine.
100% percent agree. That is a very good tactic that I hope gets back to the PATRIOT command.
@@icexvi2573this was likely the German supplied one. There are patriot batteries and launchers all over the world.
@@WhyWhatWhoWhenWhyAgain so no problem, the only thing is to get to wherever the launches are parked and ask kindly to hand them over....
@@icexvi2573 I'm getting the feeling that you are dismayed at the lack of support and equipment being sent to Ukraine. I strongly suspect that the momentum behind the support is growing. There has been a change from publicly announcing equipment numbers and support, to a more war oriented silent transfer of equipment and materials. We as the public are not going to be hearing everything in real time anymore, because social media platforms are full of anti-democratic trolls and stooges. I trust in the strength of the core of America as well. The orange idiot and his putin backing is a farce, and when the American "Patriots" actually realize that they have been lied to and taken advantage of, you will see a backlash that fits American history. Just my opinion, but I feel it coming.
Seems premature. A lot of things have tipper cabs, and multiple things are on MAN K1's.
Those secondary explosions are strongly indicative of a vehicle packing some sort of rockets.
I hate to admit it, but it's highly likely that these were Patriot launchers. I'm especially concerned that the crews may be dead too.
Those are also cargo trucks. There'd be a lot more steel structure left if it'd just been a patriot system. There's no launcher system, turn-table or generator block on the back of any of those trucks. There were no cook-offs but a LOT of thrown burning chunks of debris. Looked more like ammo and supplies - which would be about as bad a loss. The problem is the strike... Russia really doesn't have any of those left to use.
Yeah, Germany sent a bunch of 8x8 MAN HX (very very similar looking to MAN KAT1 Patriot) vehicles for transport. You can't see launch tubes or large generator boxes behind cab, they stick up quiet a bit, and you can see the side of road where you should see the launchers in the IR image. The only thing that gives me a little pause, is maybe being able to see the swing-out support arms in wreckage, but it could also be the IRIS-T missile truck that uses MAN HX.
Still, even if it's Patriot, it definitely wasn't the command unit which only has 3 axles, so likely only launchers, and perhaps empty launchers at that. Those are like $10m vehicles minus the missiles I believe, not the several hundred million loss some people fear. Plus Ukraine is getting a few more Patriots pretty soon.
@@niko7903 : Those weren't empty, too much destruction.
@@absalomdraconis Yeah, someone else pointed it out as well. I didn't pay much attention to the blast and solid fuel continuing to burn, or notice the secondary detonation, I was too focused on the vehicle identification. So, yeah, there must have been something in terms of solid fuel.
Still, I'm not certain it was Patriot. The missile tubes and generator box should be taller than the cab, in the IR video it doesn't seem to be visible, you can see the side of road with tree foliage where you should see the outline of the missile box tubes. Can you make them out?
Germany reportedly gave Ukraine like a hundred MAN HX 8x8 vehicles (I believe), and while I might just be coping, perhaps it could've been something other than Patriot, like missile replenishment being transported and sitting lower on the bed (why I can't see the silhouette). Again, maybe wishful thinking, but why would Russia, dishonest to the point of absurdity Russia, who are desperate to get the Patriot, report it as S-300 even days after people had started pointing at it as Patriot (was on official Russian military Telegram channel)? Maybe they observed round S-300 missile tubes being transported and reported it as such? IDK, again probably wishful thinking.
Sad. But I guess it is bound to happen
How are you identifying this as Patroit from these visuals??? Yes that's a MAN truck cab, but that's the only positive I.D I would be willing to make. There are almost certainly a number of MAN trucks in Ukraine that are not Patroit. Its just mangled wreckage. These were trucks carrying something explosive that's all I would be willing to say for sure.
Even aome ru milbliggers claimed that it was a Ukrainian ammo transport, getting hit.
Seems 'sucko' is very eager to make this into a ru war-criminal 'victory'...👎
So tell me why they would not show the tracking footage beforehand, so we can clearly see them destroying it?
Its first 2 second off the video
They're not making movies there. Any air defense is a priority target and they will try to destroy it while there is such an opportunity.
@@zloymyx2486 that has nothing to do with proving something that is your goal. Posting a video online has nothing to do with the operations it self, where is the conflict there? Especially since Ruzzia has a serious problem with reporting factual information, it makes you wonder.
@@user-eagleeye22229 Ukrainians have already admitted the loss. It makes you think that people often take the statements of the Ukrainian side on faith without requiring any evidence at all. The well-known Oryx, before it stopped working, was often accused of trying to pass off destroyed old Soviet equipment belonging to Ukraine as Russian, but this did not stop anyone from referring to them. The Russians keep their own count, for example, on lostarmour there is a huge number of videos with links to primary sources and reference to geolocation, a very valuable array of data for specialists and those who are simply interested in military affairs. But as I understand it, you would prefer not to look there so as not to spoil your mood, right?
@@user-eagleeye22229 Ukrainians have already admitted the loss. It makes you think that people often take the statements of the Ukrainian side on faith without requiring any evidence at all. The well-known Oryx, before it stopped working, was often accused of trying to pass off destroyed old Soviet equipment belonging to Ukraine as Russian, but this did not stop anyone from referring to them. The Russians keep their own count, for example, on lostarmour there is a huge number of videos with links to primary sources and reference to geolocation, a very valuable array of data for specialists and those who are simply interested in military affairs. But as I understand it, you would prefer not to look there so as not to spoil your mood, right?
Patriot Batteries are extremely expensive, we (USA) should loan Ukraine 100 of 'em.
Like we did in WW2.
If not 20 other western countries also have 100s of Patriots.
Pony up!
We have many entire systems in storage collecting dust. But the President’s drawdown authority is maxed out to the limit and Congress is blocking further aid.
Uhhhh we only have 50 in operation
@@rbstevns1534 The US Army has deployed 50 units, that doesn't include other branches of the US military.
Over 1000 launchers + 10,000 missiles were manufactured.
U better put you s**t together and make sure trump won't happen again.
SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA: On 9 March 2022, the U.S. European Command announced, in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, that it would send two Patriot air defense systems to Poland to "proactively counter any potential threat to U.S. and Allied forces and NATO territory".
Poland asked Germany to transfer the Patriots to Ukraine. Germany declined
On 19 December, Ukraine President Zelenskyy talked about negotiating personally with US President Biden over a potential transfer of Patriot missile systems. He said they offer "a (better) distance, radius of reflection, protection". Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said that this was the most difficult diplomatic issue they had faced.
On 20 December, it was reported that the Biden administration would be delivering another $1.85 billion in aid to Ukraine that would include a Patriot battery.
On 21 December, during a meeting with Zelenskyy in front of the press at the White House Biden confirmed that the United States would send a Patriot battery to Ukraine. It would take "months" to train the "dozens" of soldiers needed to operate the system, probably in Germany.
Providing a Patriot missile system is seen as a symbol of Western engagement in the conflict, although its range is only local.
On 5 January 2023, Germany announced that it would supply one Patriot battery to Ukraine as a part of their own military aid package.
On 17 January 2023, the Netherlands announced it will send one launcher, and on 20 January, the Netherlands announced it will send a second launcher.[133] The Dutch government announced it will send launchers and missiles, not complete systems (a battery) which includes radars, etc.
On August 9, 2023, it was announced that Germany would provide an additional complete Patriot battery to Ukraine. The system was delivered on December 13 after the Ukrainian crew completed training in Germany.
During October 2023, under a program called "FrankenSAM" Western and Soviet air defence technologies are being combined in Ukraine. One of three programs, involves a Ukrainian radar guiding a Patriot missile. It has been tested and is expected to be operational by winter
On 19 April, a German government website announced that the country had delivered a Patriot system to Ukraine.
On April 27, a second Patriot battery was delivered, from the United States.
I am not so sure that these two Vehicles are Patriot Launchers because there are no Remains of Something resembling a Missile Container and Ukraine uses some MAN Supply Trucks.
Отличное видео, я так рад смотреть на это 😂😂😂
Надеюсь американские расчёты помучились перед смертью 😅
Слава России 💪, пожалуй пересмотрю ещё раз
After the destruction of the Patriot complexes, the Russians destroyed a Transporter Loader Launcher in the village of Udachnoye.
Difficult to judge as I would expect after this heavy explosion any type of steel could randomly look like anything from a distance and with low res and B/W
Not only the shape of the door but the square hatch with the rails around it in the cab roof..
Sad, hope things will change from this. Like the MIG-29s in Kryvi Rih. It helps a bit that the launcher is the most replacable part, but I dont know why there are 2 of them.
Im seeing a disturbing amount of high value equipment being caught out in the open after Zaluzhny stepped down.
Mostly in Donesk too.
The US only has 50 Patriot batteries world wide. Launchers are more plentiful but there are 3 other key pieces of equipment needed to turn a group of launchers into a battery and that is what is in short supply.
Ам разбито не только две пусковых. Вынь бананы из глаз.
@@prohor_morozov
@@prohor_morozov I did, it's just launchers clearly.
100% an insider job. Sad loss, but there is no war without losses.
Source? Many ways for the Intel to get into russias hands in time. An unfortunate loss, but an understandable one
Probably f ucking Orban told Trump. Trump straight on the hotline to Garisimov.
I can't imagine this being an inside job, I mean what Ukrainian would hate his most democratic country so much to betray it?
Russia loss many planes recently and this is Patriots job, Russia is not going to be just looking at its planes falling from the sky they understand a Patriot system was put forward to have the reach and they sent reconnaissance drones in the area that's all, it does not have to be an insider's job russians are not as precise and good at coordination as NATO countries but they are able to do recon and precise strikes nonetheless.
@@bastogne315😂😂😂
Back yrs ago when I was a PATRIOT launcher platoon leader, we always parked at least 100m apart even when driving just for this reason. And that was. LONG before constant drone surveillance. Poor tactical spacing cost at least 1.
Probably a launcher and a GMT. Hard to do reloading 100m apart but should have found better cover if possible. But both Russia and Ukraine are saying S300. Could it be a GMT and a S300 launcher? Would explain the similar door, but could a GMT be used to reload a S300?
AFU are making a lot of tactical and strategic mistakes, and/or they are being reckless because the lack of defense systems and ammunition.
The only HEMTT trucks that Ukraine received are only used to transport Patriot components, that wreck shows it was one of those.
@@yomauser I think the tactical parked spacing was unit level discipline and maybe compliancy since first time the system was announced to be attacked. You can bet they are telling others to park spaced out now.
Why would they move them together and so close, incompetent/or lost their sense of caution. Someone who wasn't in the convoy and is responsible should be sacked and sent to the front. Of course there's also the probability someone on the Ukrainian side sold out the Patriot position/movement. We can imagine how badly the Russians what to get the system downed all those Aircraft.
Yeah. Something feels fishy.
The only thing I can think of is that this was a missile resupply, but out in the open seems stupid. I'm not ready to believe this yet.
This is what happens when combat fatigue sets in. You start to make mistakes and become less cautions because you are too tired to care.
if you have to go to a place, and only one road leads to that point, you have no choice but to use that road,, and we dont know if they moved at night, but got engine troubles, this is war,, things like that happens, and those who dare wins , risk has to be taken, those who never looses is those who never do anything, but those has already lost
They're so close to the FLOT that it's obvious they're MAN KAT logistics.
Lol you already see sending to the front as a form of punishment instead of court.
Democracy my ass, you're a joke
as others have said, it's not about carelessness or traitors. This is a major war, and Ukraine are being forced to manage with limited equipment and supplies this leads to a need to do things you wouldn't choose to do in terms of deployment and use of equipment. It's a significant loss, but not a calamity and hopefully as others have said the radars and control vehicles are safe.
How they can be safe if there are three destroyed MAN vehicles? Not just two launchers. See 0:39 and 0:02.
Everyone in the comment section suddenly knows what Ukraine did wrong to lose a patriot but they don't know what Russia did right
Well, good point, and why was the Patriot unable to defend itself against a missile?
@@SpringIsBACK it was not active, it was on the move ,, simple as that ,a lot of russian missile systems has beeen taking out like that
This is the dumbest question... It was spotted by a drone. Were u born yesterday? that is how Ukraine destroyed so many of Russia's launchers and SAM systems. It is very basic. Patriot launcher got too close, got spotted and considering it is a high priority it was targeted right away. If an orc spots a patriot system he will celebrate.
@@SpringIsBACKdah....Because it was moving
@@levi_exiled8579An orc? You people are something else. I never see such dehumanising language on any of the Russian videos. You make it very easy who to support.
"Shoot and Scoot."
Patriots Game Sunday ; Russia 2 , Patriots 0
The most dangerous thing will be the russian airforce beeing able to fly alot more sorties savely and having their a50 now in a saver distance, as long as the other patriots are staying in their defensive positions.
It was just two launchers, not the radar or command vehicle. That battery can still use the remaining launchers.
@@teresabenson3385 not true...the radar was also destroyded...it was like a caravan...how stupid
@@fabb5 : If the radar was there, then where was the command vehicle? No, three trucks that were launchers or ammo transports, one utility vehicle (probably the loading crane), and several civilian vehicles used as support vehicles.
Don’t forget its position could have been reported by a citizen that’s a Russian sympathizer. That’s bound to happen occasionally and is just unlucky.
You say that like there's something bad about it. haha
there is half of ukraine is pro-russian... cuz its RUSSIAN LANDS
Tough lesson to learn. Pretty shocking it's still a lesson that needs to be learned. Why group them up so close? That should have been learned years ago
This incident demonstrates the beauty of the Patriot system. The radar and command truck wasn't anywhere near the launcher truck.
The radar data links with the launch truck to give the missile target information without the radar or command vehicle needing to be near the launcher.
US AWACS can do the same data link targeting for AMRAAM air to air missiles (possibly the NASAMs AIM 120 also) and the Russian A50 AWACS can do data link targeting for S400 surface to air missiles.
That said, this was definitely a learning opportunity for Ukraine. If a system isn't in use, it needs to be moving. Fuel is much cheaper than the vehicles and MUCH easier to get than either patriot or s300 launcher.
Further, there absolutely needs to be an Avenger or Gepard near the longer range units to provide closer range coverage from drones. Again, a long range missile should never be an issue because the vehicles should ALWAYS be moving if they aren't shooting (while deployed in this forward "offensive defense" role).
Also note, that "patriot truck" could be a NASAM truck. It would make sense to have a mid range system protecting a longer range system like s300 or patriot, but that begs the question "why wasn't it active if the convoy wasn't MOVING.
Bottom line, if you're not shooting, keep moving and definitely keep short range protection with the expensive (and potentially irreplaceable) long range systems.
Good assessment 👍
@@dioghaltasfoirneartach7258 - thanks for the feedback. I'm glad the UA-cam thought police left the comment up long enough for someone to see it!
@@Texas240 My pleasure. We're being silenced since a month, or so ago. Never used to be any major problems with posts being deleted.
could you identify where the launcher cannisters are on the thermal footage?
cause for the love of god, these look like flatbed mankat trucks to me on the thermals. germany has supplied mankat trucks in significant numbers and they're the standard cargo haulers of the german military.
what makes these definite patriot launcher mankat's and not general flatbed munition carriers? the axels and doorframe are the same on those.
Himars loss now patriot. Russia being able to move the front everywhere slowly but surely seems like foreign aid and human loss is slowly impacting Ukraines ability to fight back
No Russian bot. 😂😂 they will get replaced and if they need to they will draft more in the Ukraine defense plus we are about to start getting the aid that is held up in the house to Ukraine and I bet they will be getting more of these launchers and will not lose them like this launchers. So dream on
In order to go on the offense Ukraine has to raise 500k troops every 6 months to overwhelm the semi-annual Russian conscription now. Ukraine just doesn't have the numbers anymore.
In deed
Ukraine suck in all the ways
Ukraine destroyed mlrs vehicles 30 plus km behind eny lines too... both suffer
@@Zeiler91 no - they never destroyed any mlr, behind the front line, until now.
Ukrainie weak - all they can do, only hide in civilian cities to hide behind civilians, face enormous human loses (this is why their troops prefer to go to jail, that on a front line), or run away from any city that Russian army came close.
Basically Ukraine already lost this conflict, we are suspect their agony.
No way! According to Ivans all system were destroyed last year!
Probably why the Ruzzies called it a S-300, thinking well we already got 147 of the handfull sent so it can't be a Patriot....
That is why they said S300. They did not want to be caught in a lie. 😆
How going with Bahmut? how going with Avdeevka?
@@Voinstvennyj_Kulebyak Fantastic. Russia managed to lose roughly ten-fifteen divisions taking those towns and now they have nothing to show for it. It's a success on a scale unimaginable and not even seen in the Winter War, where Russia lost less men fighting over a much larger area with strategic implications.
@@Voinstvennyj_KulebyakUkrainian territory
Some people did mention something else. Its was from reddit:
"Very difficult to tell.
The first vehicle is a Mitsubishi L-200; Ukraine uses these as escort vehicles.
The second vehicle does look like a MAN-HX (German Patriot are on MAN KAT-1), which is used for the IRIS-T SLM but also as a standalone supply truck. See my reasoning here. The "beige" camouflage does indeed point towards an IRIS-T SLM component, as the first systems Ukraine got were originally earmarked for Egypt; that is the reason why Ukrainians are driving them around in desert camo. In the very first frame you can however see, that this vehicle does not have loaded anything, as the tree-line is visible behind it.
The third and fourth truck are totally unidentifiable; The third one also appears to be "empty". They are also very close together; maybe one got stuck and they were trying to tow? Maybe a refueling operation?
From the fifth vehicle only the front is visible, which looks like a really old KrAZ 255b, which are still in use with Ukraine - even the color matches. The IR-footage also shows a three-axle truck in exactly this position, but it also might have arrived at a later point as it does look pretty much intact.
The sixth vehicle is only visible in the first frame of the video; the size I think matches to another Pickup or small truck."
How many operators per launcher?
Also big human los in one hit :-/
Do you see any dead? No.
@@steveblanchard7293 It is possible that the crews were alerted about the incoming missile, and they took cover. However, any crew in most of those vehicles would have been blasted into tiny pieces or vapour, so there wouldn't be any remains visible in the drone images.
I had a feeling this was going to happen with how they’ve been using it lately. It made me wonder if they were taking less precautions knowing that they’d have f-16s coming to help support air defense in the near future. I do hope my government gets its shit together and sends what they need to end this war!
They won't get F16.
@@eugeneoreilly9356Lol. Cope harder, vatnik. The F-16's are already there.
@@DMB2008MC whatever you need to tell yourself. 3 days to Kyiv 😂
@@DMB2008MC 🤣 definitely, that’s why Russians are still dying in overwhelming numbers. 3 days to Kyiv my ass. Keep trying bot. Maybe they could use you for another meat wave. I’m sure you’d be just as useful! Winning so much you need to befriend North Korea to get weapons. No wonder Russia is in the position it’s in when it has goofs like you shilling for it on a UA-cam video bot.
@@DMB2008MC Russia must have withdrawn from kharkiv out of good will too. They are so powerful that they beg North Korea for arms as a gesture of charity. And you just buy drones from the Middle East just so they can prove how much better their Russian version is right? lol So much for a “short military operation” 😂
Мощная лопата
Do you know if russian spotterdrones have nightvision?
This is not the conclusive evidence that it was patriot launchers. The only problable conclusion is that the vehicle was a kat1 transport truck, which Ukraine uses for other purposes aswell.
Not to mention the video could be fake in the first place.
copeing unreal all telegram channels claiming it was patriot
@@orionlt1028 unless they have some other videos which confirms that it was a Patriot launcher (which they don't) my first comment still stands. And I'm not saying it wasn't a launcher, I'm just saying we don't have enough evidence to conclude with 100% certainty that it was.
@@orionlt1028 Well, if telegram channels report something, then this is definitely a fact. In any case, in a war you cannot do without losses, just ask russians)
It's kind of weird how they always put the first video that you can barely see the target then the second video of wreckage was perfectly clear and close up if it is one it sucks but it's War it's going to happen
Radar would be a real hard loss
And most probably it was lost as well. Dunno why everybody is talking just about two launchers. It is clear that there are 3 destroyed MAN vehicles on the video. See 0:39 and 0:02.
Don't think the Radar truck is too bad in cost (could be wrong), not like the main command (ECS), that's like several hundred million. It pretty much for sure wasn't there, it has 3 axles.
I'm still really skeptical that this is Patriot. You can't see the silhouette of launchers or generator boxes behind the cab, they are pretty tall and you can see the side of road behind the truck where the launchers should be. The MAN KAT1 8x8 looks very very similar to MAN HX that is used for IRIS-T SLM, and Germany also gave lots of empty MAN HX 8x8 for transporting heavy stuff through rough roads. I really think there is a decent chance this was either transport convoy, or different weapon system, because I really could never see Ukraine transporting or deploying Patriot that close to each other, it just wouldn't happen, they know they are close to front, they know Russia recon drones are all over the place, they know Russia is absolutely desperate to take Patriot out, especially after the last month of downed air-assets.
Maybe it was Patriot, but likely only launchers, which is the best part to lose (easier to replace, and can take from another system for the time being), maybe they were empty, and hopefully this means the main command and operations soldiers for Patriot were not there with those components.
A few more complete Patriot systems are already scheduled to arrive this year, too.
@@niko7903 man, did you at least watch the video you are talking about? It clearly shows how missiles explode in the launchers and solid fuel scatters. You can watch any video of air defense destruction and it always looks the same. Which empty launchers are you talking about?
@@kessyx5311 That's a good point, really wasn't paying super close attention to the actual explosion and was just focusing in on the vehicle identification, now I see the burning material after it landed as well, I'm just still not sure if it's Patriot or not. Probably a bit too much cope on my part, though.
Though, can you see the silhouette of the launchers or generator box behind the cabs? I sure can't.
So, again here are things that leave me questioning it, if you have answers that dispel them, I'd appreciate your opinion.
- The seemingly absent silhouettes of anything on the backs of the 8x8s, even with cooler surfaces, in my mind you should be able to see an outline. They should be higher than the cab of vehicles, and it sure seems like you can instead see the side of the road and the tree foliage where launchers should be visible. The only vehicle that seemed to have anything on the bed was the 3rd vehicle in middle group (which they didn't show good footage of in daylight), which I think only had 3 axles (which still could be other Patriot component vehicle but I believe they would've shown video of it if it were).
- MAN HX looks extremely similar to KAT1. The HX is used for the IRIS-T SLM. Though, the amount of apparent solid fuel might be a bit too great to be IRIS-T, but I couldn't say.
- Daylight video, 8x8s appear to be desert beige (unless that's just very even fire damage), Ukraine received IRIS-T systems that were bound for Egypt and still had desert camo.
- Ukraine apparently received nearly a hundred MAN HX 8x8 transports, could they have been transporting ammo, transporting missile replenishments that sit lower on the bed, or perhaps could they have fitted S-300 launchers on the HX (their aging S-300 fleet apparently was pretty rundown)?
- Russia is extremely dishonest to the point of absurdity. Initially labeling it S-300 is a bit strange, being very slow to push the Patriot claim (the official Russian military Telegram channel had it as S-300 days after, still might be labeled as S-300, haven't checked), knowing just how intent Russia is on getting the Patriot and the information war, I would think this would've been pushed in a more grand presentation (maybe I haven't seen it).
Finally, I guess I'm just incredulous that Ukrainian soldiers who have been entrusted with the Patriot system for this long, probably their most prized weapon system, would at any point in time, especially so close to the front, even if one got stuck in the mud, would position multiple components so close together deployed or in transport. They should know better, they know Russian recon drones are constantly 30-40km in their territory. So, it really just shocks me that this would ever happen like this.
So, just hoping there is a better explanation I guess, but at least it only appears to be launchers at most, they can take launchers from other system hopefully, and apparently additional systems are on the way.
That was a ****ing big bang. Can’t fake a solid fuel cookoff.
It was a night, viewed in night vision, it will always look worse. Chances the vehicles were stationary.
Not that it really matters, but that was one large explosion. What munition carries such a blast? Iskander?
Probably
Could this be a Franken Sam? if russia thinks its a s300 combined with western parts?
it is a possiblity.
This tech isn’t really Franken compatible. It’s not like throwing an 30mm on a mt-lb
@@Propaneo-insaneo Well there's a Sea Sparrow mod for the Buk...
@@ChucksSEADnDEADYes. And several others
We have tons of launch vehicles, its the radar systems that are valuable. Hope it wasn't a radar system
Gotta cope fast
Send DOUBLE replacements.
It is concerning that ukraine does not know that there are reconaissance drones in the area. Those are probably not the usual quadcopters that are used at the front, but longer range drones. For russia to be able to score a hit on a target, drones must a) penetrate deep into ukrainian territory, b) have enough time to search for targets, c) the target location needs to be communicated, d) the rocket must be launched, reach its target. And the whole time, including for damage assessment afterwards, the drone was there. So the question is why the drone was not spotted. Even if it was not shot down, this would have given the ukrainians the opportunity to quickly change locations. Also, why is the patriot launcher not guarded by gepard? Maybe because of mobility issues compared to wheeled vehicles? Gepard could have spotted the drone and shot it down.
There is a problem in Ukraine in terms of transfer...
This strikes me as Ukraine getting cocky. Shot down a bunch of planes lately and not being as careful as they probably should be when moving these near the frontline
i agree.
Yep, stupidity goes hand in hand with the cocky.
@@suchomimus9921 there is no evidence of atleast one su-34 shot down from last month ZERO, maybe one or two could have been downed same with a-50 there was false reports about those shotdown ''war propaganda'', same as black see fleet comannder killed claimed by ukrainain propaganda, which turned out to be total fake after spreading rumours thrue telegram, and you saying Biden shoul send more?do you understand that there is not enough bateries or ammo for patriots all over the world?this exploding with full ammo and crews is huge hit.....also the crews most likely were american troops as ''instructors'' as germany said uk, france and us have troops on the ground theya re launching himars,scalp and oder modern missiles
@@suchomimus9921 At 2:14 yo say careless, but right before you also mention they were quite a bit from the frontline.
Could be they didn't expect to get spotted by a drone that far back?
Still, should be careful everywhere.
Probably, or honestly just downright careless and stupid. They need more NATO training
I hope, the team is safe.
The Russian MOD statement about this video is that an Iskander struck an S300 airdefense system, and the Ukranians are saying the same thing, so I'm leaning towards this being an s300 system. And even if it was a patriot launcher, it's just the launcher.
Could have been a supply truck next to a launcher. Ukraine have transport vehicles based on the same truck as the Patriot launchers are mounted on. Would explain the similar looking door.
If it's "just" a launcher this is a huge loss or Ukraine, these need to be operational they are their most valuable anti air equipment I don't realize how big this is really is. This year is going to be decisive, the F-16 still are not there and the lack of shells silences the Ukrainian artillery and they start to have difficulties with human ressources, this is not looking good at all and very soon sending weapons no matter how much and how efficient will not save a Ukrainian army in disarray. People have a certain tolerance to pain and it's the same for a country, don't imagine Ukrainians fighting to the last one, once their army is defeated they will have no choice to flee and let Ukraine becoming russian, the instinct of suvival.
It was misidentified as S-300 that’s why in the video it says S-300 in Russian in the video. After analysis it was indeed German sent patriot launchers based on the MAN KAT-1 chassis
@@kroooassant9899 Even if, somehow, which is not currently even moderately likely, that the Russian army manages to overcome the Ukrainian army tactically, the population would not fleet. They actually have a spine unlike most people in the eastern world. The insurgency would last for at least a decade.
@@ArchOfficial Ukrainian borders are closed. If Ukraine opened borders tomorrow most of the men would run away from Ukraine.
There are many videos everyday how Ukrainians trying to run from Ukraine
Losing a launcher or two is no big deal. Losing the radar or command vehicle is a huge problem.
The cost of the system is prohibitive when your military aid is only in the low billions. Ukraine could get 100+ Abrams for the cost of 1 Patriot battery. 🤠
Ok. There was 4 vehicles and 3 destroyed. Two of them was launchers. 50/50 that third and fourth was radar or command vehicle.
@@Z_Pavel
If so then that was a mistake on the part of the Ukrainians to move the whole battery system in a close group convoy.
But that's to assume that's what they were doing.
Why no spacing?
Someone else on Reddit pointed out this could likely be an IRST-SLM, the color of the trucks seems to be tanish which would line up with the IRST system which also uses MAN trucks as their transport
Those trucks burned to crisp, what colour u are talking about mate? ur reddit guy making no sense
Seems incredibly unlikely that Ukraine would have two patriot launchers right next to each other, considering how valuable they are
For the type of mission they were performing, they would need a launcher, a reloader and a command vehicle.
They got them for free 😂
@@evilleader1991Go away, putin
@@hermes7587 : Three of those vehicles were clearly carrying ammo.
Calling it not patriot. First images show 3 almost identical heat signatures. All 3 were destroyed. They don't look big enough and not enough support vehicles.
Most likely just some supply convoy with MAN trucks. Sucho is spreading kremlin fakes now lol)))
The Republican Party must feel all warm and fuzzy inside for how its playing this game with people's lifes.
Ivan's boss probably said "lets find these things" hence the hit.
First a HIMARS and now this 😢
This is the result of Russia is catching up with sensor technologies. 2 years ago they had pixelated videos, and this one is quite crisp. Ukraine needs more help and Western countries need to develop additional weapons, because Russia will surpass them too.
@@vitapont7338 Pixel videos - because they are squeezed through 10 messengers, and are not intended to be posted for a western report. The original video is absolutely in normal quality, but not for your eyes. This is ukraine making videos for the sake of video and pathos to amuse the world. It's not for nothing that america invests a lot of money in the media sphere. At least that's how XD wins
@@youtubesuck_ZOV Russia's disinformation propaganda efforts are gargantuan so whining about American media is absurd
well at this rate ru will run out of planes ,,even if the from time to time get a hit, they will also run out of ships, and money and brain power friend they never had, so they cant run out of those, ;o)
@vitapont7338 as this war goes on , the Russians will continue to become stronger
Blame Mike Johnson for this, he is causing mayhem in Ukraine with his blocking tactics...
He’s just a lap dog, not his fault. Biden could use an executive ordered but he won’t.
Ukraine is losing because of their own incompetence, don't push the blame on US. Who told them to fight until the end in Bakhmut? And their counter-offensive was a huge failure too.
@@evilleader1991 Clearly you do not understand much about the interconnected nature of high-tech equipment in modern warfare, and you don't understand how the slow, inadequate & incorrect aid that Ukraine received throughout the war from 'the West' has severely limited Ukraine's ability to defend its territory & stage a successful counter-offensive. If Ukraine had been given everything it needed (...and 'the West' *knew* it needed since war gaming simulations in 2012..), the incompetent Russian military would have been defeated by now.
@@derekbaker3279 If you know that you cannot defeat Russia militarily then why did you refuse to negotiate back in April 2022? You would have kept most of your territory, only a fool fights a war based on false promises by the west. Ukraine was promised everything under the sun to keep fighting and look at them now 💀. No wonder they are trying to blackmail and guilt trip the Westerners to send them more weapons, since it was the West who told them to refuse the negotiations.
@evilleader1991 They're not losing, and the latest setbacks around Avdiivka certainly wetevnot America's fault. They were speaker johnson's fault + his boss, trump, and his boss, putin.
aaand how do u know thats patriot launcher, not the ammunition carrier based on same MAN truck?
Doesn't look like a match to me, the distance from the back of the door to the back of the cab is much bigger on the one that has been blown up compared to the example photo
That looked like mini nuke
Could be someone giving information from the inside.
Now that is an actual possiblity.. They did this in the early days too. Same for the Sheikh Mansur batallion members getting extradited to Russia.
There was a radar unit too ...but it vaporized.
They would have had to been parked there for a while for an Iskander target them. The fact these vehicles were so close together is inexcusable. How tf can a mistake like this happen with such a crucial system?
This is sad news BUT the West needs to increase its support not be discouraged by the occasional loss of donated equipment 🇺🇦
Republicans have been holding up funding, and we are seeing the results not just here but on many levels.
Are you going to pay for it? Or do you just see it as "other people's money".
The west has been very busy stepping up support
@@loki76Украина ни за что не будет платить. Даже не рассчитывайте на это
No before footage when a drone was clearly stalking it and the propagandists labeled it as S300 when they've clearly been stalking these for some time? Seems weird.
Western propagandists claim that the installations were destroyed with shovels, aren't you used to eating Western shit?
Exactly, they thjink it was a S300, let them. MAN trucks are utility vehicles
It was allegedly struck at night, hence only thermal footage.
@@evilleader1991 The thermal is not the problem, the problem is that they decided to cut the video to only a second before the missile hits while zoomed out to the max. There's plenty of footage before that when the camera was zoomed in and they were studying the convoy, but they specifically did not show it. It's shady through and through.
Couple that with the fact the soldiers who not only filmed it but also uploaded it said it's an S300... It's just dodgy.
I'll wait for some actual proof, rather than trusting some keyboard 'analysts' trying to discrern the hardware from a completely burnt out wreck. If actual evidence comes out and it turns out it's a Patriot then so be it. It's just fishy is all.
@@rotatingparrot4625 bro, they are not in the business in making videos for you 🤦. They have a job and that is their primary focus.
waiting for the eventual reshooting of this video to fix inaccuracies
It's impossible to have zero equipment losses if you're actually using said equipment. It's the cost of war.
More likely russian destroyed some old trucks and is trying to sell it as a major victory.
Actually russia itself still has not claimed it was patriots. Officially they say it was S300.
Cope
Must be some AI generated video, Russia getting desperate after losing Avdiivka....wait a minute 😮!?
@@lolololalala8225It's 'professional photo analyst' sucko, that is 'fast as lighting⚡️at 'announcing the victory'... 🙄👎
@@Gerrard_Pike2008Meanwhile, how is your 3-day war going? "According to plan" ? 😂
Iskander is the game changer
Damn!!
Bummer
Stupid running them all together in convoy at the same time. Just dumb.
dumber would have been stationary, or driving in the fields ,, thay have to drive like that, when its the only road
Mobility is a double cutting sword: hard to find, soft when found.
So, now there are none left acccording to Ivan?
Is Ivan your name ?
According to Ivan ruzzia already on the way to London.
-1 currently
@@anybodyhandle HahahahHAHAHAHAHA OMG OMG HAHAHAHAH!!! WOW! THAT IS WILD!
@@anybodyhandle No but seriously. What?
Why was it stationary?
Could have been a passing truck driver, someone oversharing on their phone, a human agent, special forces or a spy satellite that saw this, as well as the probablity of spotter drones.
Still questionable that this is a patriot. There are a lot of vehicles in Ukraine using that MAN KAT truck model and a lot of them look quite similar.
Hope your right
Yes, but you saw a cook off so something def was hit
It is possible that it is an s300 strapped to a truck
viva Russia
What's the info saying it wasn't moved for weeks? True, it's been taking down planes in that region for a while, but it could still have moved around quite a bit - in fact it appears that it was destroyed during a move.