Great video Equinox. I think it's also important to note that when your opponent is at 40%, you can also take their stocks by doing: (1) Nair (short hop, unspaced, falling) > Nair (short hop, unspaced, apex, fastfall) > Up air (full hop, buffered) > Up air (double jump) > Up B. True comboing the first nair into the second can be difficult but it is a true combo with proper execution and a good follow up to an unspaced nair at at low/mid percents. If you don't like the double nair at the beginning of this combo, you can also do nair > up air as shown in the video, starting at the same percent (40%) and leading to this killing combo: (2) Nair (short hop, unspaced falling) > Up air (short hop, rising, fastfall) > Up air (full hop, buffered) > Up air (double jump) > Up B. Both of these ladder combos starting with nair work on Final Destination and are most reliable against mid-weight opponents. They both do not require platforms.
Is this tested with DI? In my experience, 2 Nairs vs DI away isn't high enough for a FH Uair, and DI usually makes them too high for 2x Uair into upB. Even if theyre not guaranteed with DI, they sound like they'd be very close so I'd say they're worth a shot against combofood characters!
Yo! I've been having a ridiculous amount of trouble fully understanding how FJK worked, even after watching Orio's video, and I even asked a couple people in the discord, but to no avail. But after watching this whole video, and taking notes down ( LIKE I HAD NO IDEA YOU COULD TELL A PERSON'S DI BY THE WAY THE CHARACTER WAS POSITIONED IN THE ANIMATION OF UP-SMASH?!) you literally answered all my questions and solved my confusion, and I now understand when FJK is needed and its full potential, so thank you! Now its time to spike some fools!
I’m still looking forward to that nair-fjk vid, I’m still having trouble with all of it lol. I come to videos like these to learn and this one in particular had helped me so much! Thank you for all the hard work! Subbed ❤️
Sorry to keep you waiting! Life has been slapping me up the past few months since I released this vid so I haven't any progress towards my next video. In a few weeks I should be done with my job's training and have more time, but Ill probably have to move and idk what my living situation will look like then. Ill still try to push out a new vid when I can, though!
For the DI in nair Flipkick topic, I think that using the hold left stick forward while using c stick in the opposite direction method is a much easier option to get the shortest version of the flipkick. It's very simple and much safer as well, as it halts your momentum after the kick is finished as well, making it less risky if you miss (which is unlikely)
If you hold forward before kicking then the you dont get the shortest version. Its close, but your version extends the FJ a little forward before the kick (once the kick comes out theyre pretty much the same). It usually won't matter, but it can cost you a spike once in a blue moon.
This video is soooo awesome my friend! There's so many little details I don't even know before! Any chance you would ever do a grab video for specific situations and what to do against specific DI? I'd sub to you 100x if I could.
Check out this combo for a kill at 30ish percent from center of stage: Unspaced nair (as delayed as possible), to delayed fair (fastfall *between* hits, second hit should be barely above ground), to flip jump kick spike. It’s kind of tight, but it is true on a lot of characters.
The back hit of Nair is exactly the same as the front hit in terms of knockback, so anything you can do with front should be possible with back. Its just a bit awkward to use and doesn't have as much horizontal range.
One Question do you input Neutral Air and then Fast Fall or first Fast Fall and then Neutral Air ? Same with other Arials is there a optimal way to do your falling arials.
in almost all situations do an aerial then fastfall, if you fastfall first the aerial wont come out in time and makes it less safe since doing an aerial after a fastfall cancels the fastfall in ultimate
You have to time it right. I use the C stick to do this, but if you initiate the attack before ZSS is half way done with the attack, you will kick inwards.
Hi my air moves doesn't connect on the enemy even when I short hop why is that and what can I do ? I have a second question sometimes when I short hope up air the smash up attack will activate instead why is that and what can I do ? Nice Video by the way it is well structured
Don't connect how? Going over? Not coming out before you land? Not close enough? Up and attack done too quickly will make an up smash happen regardless of if you push jump. If you press up more slowly then it shouldn't happen. Setting your sensitivity to low makes this easier. You can also input up and attack with cstick set to tilts.
@@Gruvest ty For the first question I short hop and immediately press N Attack and it doesn't connect to most heroes Well when I wait it does connect I guess or is there another way ?
@@turtlebeach3116 you wanna wait till ur at the apex then nair and fastfall at abt the same time OR do the nair while you're falling back down to the ground.Buffered nairs wont hit most/all grounded opponents
Sorry to ask a non-ZSS question, but what is the first song that plays in the video? I've heard it before but I don't remember from what and it's driving me crazy lol Edit: the song is "Norfair" from Ultimate's OST
I chose not cover Nair to Bair because all of the difficulty is in learning how to turn around from a run, dash, etc. You can find other tutorials on that by searching up "RAR," "IRAR," or "Attack cancel." If people ask for it, I wouldn't mind making a video on the different ways to turn around for a Bair from different setups
@@Gruvest Haven't really chatted on the zss discord much, so I don't know how the other users interact but out of all the smashcords i've seen, the Zss cord has the best resources out of all of them.
33:26 thanks man i would of never guessed
God like video for all zss players! One of these for zair would be very useful too.
Already planning on it! Just got a lot of video ideas already and I'm trying not to overwork myself 😅
Phenomenal resource for ZSS players--you're terrific!
@@Gruvest Yeah if we could get one of these half-hour videos for fsmash that'd be awesome :zsswink2:
@@Gruvest c
Great video Equinox.
I think it's also important to note that when your opponent is at 40%, you can also take their stocks by doing:
(1) Nair (short hop, unspaced, falling) > Nair (short hop, unspaced, apex, fastfall) > Up air (full hop, buffered) > Up air (double jump) > Up B.
True comboing the first nair into the second can be difficult but it is a true combo with proper execution and a good follow up to an unspaced nair at at low/mid percents.
If you don't like the double nair at the beginning of this combo, you can also do nair > up air as shown in the video, starting at the same percent (40%) and leading to this killing combo:
(2) Nair (short hop, unspaced falling) > Up air (short hop, rising, fastfall) > Up air (full hop, buffered) > Up air (double jump) > Up B.
Both of these ladder combos starting with nair work on Final Destination and are most reliable against mid-weight opponents. They both do not require platforms.
Is this tested with DI? In my experience, 2 Nairs vs DI away isn't high enough for a FH Uair, and DI usually makes them too high for 2x Uair into upB. Even if theyre not guaranteed with DI, they sound like they'd be very close so I'd say they're worth a shot against combofood characters!
This video is super nice for newer players. Also ZSScord has the nicest resources so far
Yo! I've been having a ridiculous amount of trouble fully understanding how FJK worked, even after watching Orio's video, and I even asked a couple people in the discord, but to no avail. But after watching this whole video, and taking notes down ( LIKE I HAD NO IDEA YOU COULD TELL A PERSON'S DI BY THE WAY THE CHARACTER WAS POSITIONED IN THE ANIMATION OF UP-SMASH?!) you literally answered all my questions and solved my confusion, and I now understand when FJK is needed and its full potential, so thank you! Now its time to spike some fools!
This video is nuts man, lots of good stuff here! I kinda feel bad that it has so little views, definately helped improve my gameplay significantly
If only there was something people could do to help it get more views 😉
The quality of this video is insane! Kudos to you good sir
I’m still looking forward to that nair-fjk vid, I’m still having trouble with all of it lol. I come to videos like these to learn and this one in particular had helped me so much! Thank you for all the hard work! Subbed ❤️
Sorry to keep you waiting! Life has been slapping me up the past few months since I released this vid so I haven't any progress towards my next video.
In a few weeks I should be done with my job's training and have more time, but Ill probably have to move and idk what my living situation will look like then. Ill still try to push out a new vid when I can, though!
I’ve started playing zss recently and your videos have been extremely helpful for me. Keep up the good work
real nice guide! very interesting to watch
For the DI in nair Flipkick topic, I think that using the hold left stick forward while using c stick in the opposite direction method is a much easier option to get the shortest version of the flipkick. It's very simple and much safer as well, as it halts your momentum after the kick is finished as well, making it less risky if you miss (which is unlikely)
If you hold forward before kicking then the you dont get the shortest version. Its close, but your version extends the FJ a little forward before the kick (once the kick comes out theyre pretty much the same). It usually won't matter, but it can cost you a spike once in a blue moon.
Th3 Equin0x ah I see. Probably will still keep using it being that I’m lazy haha. Great video! Definitely learned a lot.
omg i took a few months break and glad to see a new sweet video from you
The goat of UA-cam!
You are the best. I am sure that a lot of zss players can learn from this!
Thank you so much! Please more of this awesome Guids Ladder Combos and Ledge Trapping would be especially nice.
This helped me a lot as I am trying to pick her up, thank you for the great content!
love the content keep it up
This video is soooo awesome my friend! There's so many little details I don't even know before! Any chance you would ever do a grab video for specific situations and what to do against specific DI? I'd sub to you 100x if I could.
Check out this combo for a kill at 30ish percent from center of stage:
Unspaced nair (as delayed as possible), to delayed fair (fastfall *between* hits, second hit should be barely above ground), to flip jump kick spike.
It’s kind of tight, but it is true on a lot of characters.
di makes this combo untrue, usually di'ing up will make the opponent too high up for the spike hitbox to connect, or down and away on fast fallers
question. Did people explore combos with the backhit of nair? You could crossup shield :0 is this possible?
The back hit of Nair is exactly the same as the front hit in terms of knockback, so anything you can do with front should be possible with back. Its just a bit awkward to use and doesn't have as much horizontal range.
@@Gruvest do you think it is worth to look into?
@@stefanh.6896 no
Thanks for the video, a lot of useful information here. Back to the discord we go!
how tf do u fastfall neutral air every time i try to do it she just spikes ):
If you mean that you get a down air instead, you must be holding down before pushing attack. You need to press down after pressing attack
@@Gruvest oh
@@Gruvest I still can’t do it. Do you think it’s cuz I play on a switch lite
@@saddumbgirl44 hit the a button before you hold down, that should fix your problem
@@saddumbgirl44 your controls have nothing to do with it. You need to press a first then hold down
This is great, keep up the useful content!!
Yes! The Nair video!
I have each trigger set to jump - is there any way that can help me insta double jump for the usmash combo?
Thanks man, this was super helpful.
Thanks Equi, big fan of the zss discord! You guys have helped me out a lot! -@arbi 👌🏼👍🏼
Great video!
What do you use for controlling Joker?
An app called JoyCon Droid on my phone. It has a script-reading feature so I can program looping inputs like holding away and mashing shield
One Question do you input Neutral Air and then Fast Fall or first Fast Fall and then Neutral Air ? Same with other Arials is there a optimal way to do your falling arials.
in almost all situations do an aerial then fastfall, if you fastfall first the aerial wont come out in time and makes it less safe since doing an aerial after a fastfall cancels the fastfall in ultimate
I think.you can input the fastfall and nair at the same time if not immediately after
@@icydreams9104 obviously you can not input them at the same time since that would result in a down air ^^
Great video but the audio seems kinda low. Trying to listen with AirPods at full volume and i can hardly hear you
For the Nair to flip jump, could you use the C stick while holding in to avoid DI instead?
I believe this will result in you kicking inwards, but Im not sure. You could try it out in Training mode a let me know!
You have to time it right. I use the C stick to do this, but if you initiate the attack before ZSS is half way done with the attack, you will kick inwards.
To DI in you actually have to hold OUT, while using the C-Stick IN. That stops your momentum. It’s awkward and stupid, but that’s the way it works.
@@JoakimHallgren u need do it inversed to cancel ur momentum
I learned so much
Hi my air moves doesn't connect on the enemy even when I short hop why is that and what can I do ?
I have a second question sometimes when I short hope up air the smash up attack will activate instead why is that and what can I do ?
Nice Video by the way it is well structured
Don't connect how? Going over? Not coming out before you land? Not close enough?
Up and attack done too quickly will make an up smash happen regardless of if you push jump. If you press up more slowly then it shouldn't happen. Setting your sensitivity to low makes this easier. You can also input up and attack with cstick set to tilts.
@@Gruvest ty
For the first question I short hop and immediately press N Attack and it doesn't connect to most heroes
Well when I wait it does connect I guess or is there another way ?
@@Gruvest I made a video on my channel (I am not a UA-camr) to show you what I mean could you watch it please ? It is how to Nair with zss
It is uploaded now
@@turtlebeach3116 you wanna wait till ur at the apex then nair and fastfall at abt the same time OR do the nair while you're falling back down to the ground.Buffered nairs wont hit most/all grounded opponents
Sorry to ask a non-ZSS question, but what is the first song that plays in the video? I've heard it before but I don't remember from what and it's driving me crazy lol
Edit: the song is "Norfair" from Ultimate's OST
thanks brother
No nair to backair kill confirm?
I chose not cover Nair to Bair because all of the difficulty is in learning how to turn around from a run, dash, etc. You can find other tutorials on that by searching up "RAR," "IRAR," or "Attack cancel." If people ask for it, I wouldn't mind making a video on the different ways to turn around for a Bair from different setups
ZSS is the best in the game
Zss low tier
Zss is worse than little mac
Of course I am. She’s easily top 5 with a frame 1 jab, flip kick, I-frames on nair. You already know the list goes on so I’ll just stop there 😂
Good for newer zss players, veterans knew all this before, im sure.
Very informative nonetheless, well done.
Zss discord sucks ass btw.
I'm sad to hear that. If you DM me on Discord I'd appreciate hearing why you feel that way!
@@Gruvest Haven't really chatted on the zss discord much, so I don't know how the other users interact but out of all the smashcords i've seen, the Zss cord has the best resources out of all of them.
Ugh ive watched this video like 20x but i can't do anything in the video with tons of practice.
Where do you struggle? Maybe I can be of help :)
Same I struggle with fastfall nair