Proof that (R, +) is not a Cyclic Group

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    Proof that (R, +) is not a Cyclic Group.
    We prove that the set of real numbers under the operation of addition does not form a cyclic group. This is really an easy observation but in this video we go through the details.

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  • @paulhammond6978
    @paulhammond6978 14 днів тому

    I've seen a proof that Q is not finitely generated before (which, I guess already depends on knowing that Q is not cyclic, because proving that any finitely generated subgroup of Q is actually a cyclic subgroup of Q is the crux of it) - so I just figured that since (Q, +) is infinitely generated already and (Q,+) is a subgroup of (R,+) then R cannot be cyclic either.

  • @zomnomnom
    @zomnomnom 5 років тому

    What if n belonged to R, the set of all real numbers? Then couldn't you add or subtract, like "x + (1/2)x = (3/2)x"?

    • @maxpercer7119
      @maxpercer7119 2 роки тому

      n does belong to R, since the integers Z is a subset of the real numbers R. But that's irrelevant.
      We are looking for a generator of R under the group operation addition (look up the definition of generator).
      And the sorcerer showed that if there was a generator of R under addition, then we would fall into an absurdity hole.

  • @TheMathSorcerer
    @TheMathSorcerer  9 років тому +3

  • @vitoriaalmeida9472
    @vitoriaalmeida9472 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you! Excellent!

  • @Naresh2096
    @Naresh2096 2 роки тому

    What are generators of Q under addition.

    • @learninglad2985
      @learninglad2985 Рік тому

      Since it is non cyclic so no element of Q can act as a generator.

  • @smoosami1024
    @smoosami1024 5 років тому +3

    Can you solve (Q,+)is not cyclic ?please

    • @TVSuchty
      @TVSuchty 4 роки тому +1

      is it exactly the same?

  • @user-cj6zc2se3n
    @user-cj6zc2se3n 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent!

  • @justfocusonurdreams1317
    @justfocusonurdreams1317 4 роки тому

    Can any one show.. y the Pair of groups (R*,•)& (C*, •)is not isomorphic..?

    • @paulhammond6978
      @paulhammond6978 14 днів тому

      Isn't it because C* has lots of elements of finite order and R* only has 1 and -1 ? Oh right - that's why I've seen this before mentioning that you can find an order three element in C* which doesn't exist in R*. (I guess, the order 4 element i in C* is the most obvious one)

  • @shaikhbilal6510
    @shaikhbilal6510 3 роки тому

    (Q*, • ) is not cyclic how to prove it

  • @haroonmohd3646
    @haroonmohd3646 5 років тому +1

    bakwas